2024 General Election

[Moulin Yarns]

Drew Hendry conceded defeat in the last constituency, Inverness, skye and wester Ross. Still to have the second recount tomorrow but appears that libdems Angus Mcdonald has the numbers.

[wookie70]

Immediate Wishlist: Appeal anti Trade Union Laws, Expand any investigation into Russia's interference in elections etc, go after big Corps and Billionaires and get them to pay their way. He isn't exactly spoiled for choice when it comes to choice on what to make better. I hope he makes a move early to show that privitisation of water, rail etc is going to end. What I think he will do is basically the same as Sunak was doing for at least a couple of years.

[J-C]

Over 4 million vote for Reform

I find that quite shocking

These are the same eejits that's listened to Farage and Boris about Brexit remember.

[marinello59]

Rwanda plan dead on day one. :thumbsup:

[Stairway 2 7]

Rwanda plan dead on day one. :thumbsup:

Brilliant seen it confirmed a horrendous policy ended

[Colr]

Reform won around a 7% share of the vote north of the Border, half the UK-wide total of 14%.

Is there a proportionate amount of fascists in Scotland as there is in England?!

Anywhere in particular that they were winning in Scotland?

[lapsedhibee]

Anywhere in particular that they were winning in Scotland?

Their 14.6% in Aberdeenshire North helped dump out Ross. Reform didn't win but everyone else did.

[BroxburnHibee]

Rwanda plan dead on day one. :thumbsup:

I hoped they had something big to announce on day one. Great start.

[GlesgaeHibby]

Actually quite pleased about this appointment

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRu5--vW4AE4Tji?format=jpg&name=large

Agree, as somebody working in renewables I think it's a good appointment. If they're serious about net zero targets then I'd like to see three key actions:
1. Lift onshore wind ban in England (easiest)
2. Increase budget for the next Contracts for Difference Round. Developers have sites ready to bid in.
3. Do whatever it takes to accelerate grid network reinforcement works. (Very difficult, but crucial).

Two other Ministerial appointments stood out to me. Patrick Vallance as Science Minister and James Timpson as Prison Minister. Great to see appointments of people with experience relevant to the portfolios.

I'm not a massive Starmer fan, but I heard somebody who knew him on the news yesterday saying throughout his career he's been under-estimated and over delivered. If we can get 5 years of boring, sensible government by serious politicians I'd be delighted. The stability alone would massively increase investor confidence in the UK.

[grunt]

No Conservative MPs in Inner London for first time
No Conservative MPs in Oxfordshire for the first time since 1777. Apparently.

[grunt]

https://x.com/IanDunt/status/1809269957663789275


Take it in. The first female chancellor. The first housing secretary who's actually lived in social housing. The first education secretary who was on free school meals. An energy secretary who actually believes in aggressively fighting climate change. Not a bad afternoon.

[overdrive]

Agree, as somebody working in renewables I think it's a good appointment. If they're serious about net zero targets then I'd like to see three key actions:
1. Lift onshore wind ban in England (easiest)
2. Increase budget for the next Contracts for Difference Round. Developers have sites ready to bid in.
3. Do whatever it takes to accelerate grid network reinforcement works. (Very difficult, but crucial).

Two other Ministerial appointments stood out to me. Patrick Vallance as Science Minister and James Timpson as Prison Minister. Great to see appointments of people with experience relevant to the portfolios.

I'm not a massive Starmer fan, but I heard somebody who knew him on the news yesterday saying throughout his career he's been under-estimated and over delivered. If we can get 5 years of boring, sensible government by serious politicians I'd be delighted. The stability alone would massively increase investor confidence in the UK.

I know it was slightly different as he was an ex-politician but Sunak got pelters for appointing David Cameron to the HoL so he could appoint Cameron as Foreign Secretary. This in a way is worse, given Starmer wanted the HoL abolished in its current form until he flip flopped on that.

I would have been delighted with either being appointed to those roles if they had been elected as MPs. I would have no issue with them being appointed advisors either.

[overdrive]

Drew Hendry conceded defeat in the last constituency, Inverness, skye and wester Ross. Still to have the second recount tomorrow but appears that libdems Angus Mcdonald has the numbers.

He should listen to his nephew, not give up so easily and believe :greengrin

Unlike his nephew, I assume he didn’t appear when you said his name

Appreciate this will be a very niche reference

[RyeSloan]

I know it was slightly different as he was an ex-politician but Sunak got pelters for appointing David Cameron to the HoL so he could appoint Cameron as Foreign Secretary. This in a way is worse, given Starmer wanted the HoL abolished in its current form until he flip flopped on that.

I would have been delighted with either being appointed to those roles if they had been elected as MPs. I would have no issue with them being appointed advisors either.

I’m all for these types of appointments. All government in the UK could benefit from a more technocratic rather than political approach to most areas.

Seeing someone who runs successful businesses that are known for employing and helping ex-offenders (and has done so for decades ) as prisons minister is very encouraging.

If that means having to give them a peerage or whatever to allow them to be fully responsible for the role then so be it.

The next thing I would probably do though is try to change the rule that means I need to give someone a peerage to be a minister that’s not been elected! [emoji2957]

[Stairway 2 7]

I’m all for these types of appointments. All government in the UK could benefit from a more technocratic rather than political approach to most areas.

Seeing someone who runs successful businesses that are known for employing and helping ex-offenders (and has done so for decades ) as prisons minister is very encouraging.

If that means having to give them a peerage or whatever to allow them to be fully responsible for the role then so be it.

The next thing I would probably do though is try to change the rule that means I need to give someone a peerage to be a minister that’s not been elected! [emoji2957]

Just came on to post about Timpson he of Timpson stores getting prison minister job. He makes sure a certain percentage of his employees have been in prison and is on the board of a prison reform charity. Brilliant appointment and hopefully a turn in how we treat offenders and decrease reoffenders. Valance's work in getting vaccine misinformation squashed was fantastic. Reform voters will be apoplectic at both appointments

[Jones28]

Despite the SNP being annihilated I feel oddly optimistic about the future, it feels like the adults are back in charge and we’ve got 5 years of dull, sensible politics to come.

It’s nice to see people in charge who can go more than 5 minutes without making a **** of things. So far at least 😂

[Stairway 2 7]

https://x.com/IanDunt/status/1809269957663789275

Richard Coles
@RevRichardColes
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Looking at the formation of a new cabinet and I realise it’s been while since ministers were appointed on the basis of knowing something about their area of responsibility rather than actively hating it

[wookie70]

I’m all for these types of appointments. All government in the UK could benefit from a more technocratic rather than political approach to most areas.

Seeing someone who runs successful businesses that are known for employing and helping ex-offenders (and has done so for decades ) as prisons minister is very encouraging.

If that means having to give them a peerage or whatever to allow them to be fully responsible for the role then so be it.

The next thing I would probably do though is try to change the rule that means I need to give someone a peerage to be a minister that’s not been elected! [emoji2957]

A temporary peerage for the duration of the post to get round the rule would make sense. I agree with your point. Someone who knows and has form in a particular area at the very least saves them learning about the issues

[Northernhibee]

A temporary peerage for the duration of the post to get round the rule would make sense. I agree with your point. Someone who knows and has form in a particular area at the very least saves them learning about the issues

“How Westminster Works and Why It Doesn’t” by Ian Dunt is a brilliant book. Highlights how civil service and government departments end up being run by careerists rather than experts consistently, so to see an appointment like this is brilliant.

[wookie70]

“How Westminster Works and Why It Doesn’t” by Ian Dunt is a brilliant book. Highlights how civil service and government departments end up being run by careerists rather than experts consistently, so to see an appointment like this is brilliant. I have probably watch that unfold live but will take a look. People who are good at getting promoted regularly are rarely people who have great skills and knowledge, at least in the competency based system that the Civil Service has embraced for most of the last couple of decades.

[Keith_M]

1 in 7 votes were for Reform.

That's quite worrying, TBH.

[Moulin Yarns]

1 in 7 votes were for Reform.

That's quite worrying, TBH.

That's worrying for 2026, imagine them at Holyrood!!

[Hiber-nation]

Richard Coles
@RevRichardColes
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Looking at the formation of a new cabinet and I realise it’s been while since ministers were appointed on the basis of knowing something about their area of responsibility rather than actively hating it

Yeah I was warming towards it all until they started putting up St George's Cross bunting outside no. 10.

[Stairway 2 7]

That's worrying for 2026, imagine them at Holyrood!!

Think they will definitely get seats which is vile. Thing is immigration is tiny in Scotland compared to England, it's mostly from older people and those who are economically poorest, which is bizarre because reform would make that group suffer more. I think the only way you beat them is to make things better for everyone and have less disenfranchised people

[Bostonhibby]

Richard Coles
@RevRichardColes
·
Looking at the formation of a new cabinet and I realise it’s been while since ministers were appointed on the basis of knowing something about their area of responsibility rather than actively hating itIndeed, or just drooling over Bozo a la Mad Nad.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Looking at the graph obviously Starmer's government is an outlier but also May's, she mustn't have got the memo, Boris sorted it though

@PolitlcsUK
🚨 NEW: Keir Starmer's Cabinet has the lowest percentage of privately educated members ever, with just 1 person (4%) compared to 63% in Rishi Sunak's Cabinet

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[Ozyhibby]

Think they will definitely get seats which is vile. Thing is immigration is tiny in Scotland compared to England, it's mostly from older people and those who are economically poorest, which is bizarre because reform would make that group suffer more. I think the only way you beat them is to make things better for everyone and have less disenfranchised people

Immigration increases as an issue when economy is performing poorly. If economy pick up then people won’t care as much. And it doesn’t really matter how much immigration we have. The places in England who seem to be voting reform don’t seem to be the places most new immigrants are heading to? London doesn’t seem to vote reform?
Scotland hardly has any immigration yet there are still people here who blame them for anything going wrong.


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[Moulin Yarns]

Immigration increases as an issue when economy is performing poorly. If economy pick up then people won’t care as much. And it doesn’t really matter how much immigration we have. The places in England who seem to be voting reform don’t seem to be the places most new immigrants are heading to? London doesn’t seem to vote reform?
Scotland hardly has any immigration yet there are still people here who blame them for anything going wrong.


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I can't figure out how so many voted reform in Aberdeenshire and Moray East, but they did keep Ross out 😁

[Stairway 2 7]

Immigration increases as an issue when economy is performing poorly. If economy pick up then people won’t care as much. And it doesn’t really matter how much immigration we have. The places in England who seem to be voting reform don’t seem to be the places most new immigrants are heading to? London doesn’t seem to vote reform?
Scotland hardly has any immigration yet there are still people here who blame them for anything going wrong.


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Yeah how people voted on brexit was directly linked to wealth. People with nothing getting told their are because because of other people who have nothing and not the millionaires hoarding wealth.

[Stairway 2 7]

I can't figure out how so many voted reform in Aberdeenshire and Moray East, but they did keep Ross out 😁

Probably poverty but maybe some with oil jobs Farage says he'd expand oil extraction and end net zero targets.

[Ozyhibby]

I can't figure out how so many voted reform in Aberdeenshire and Moray East, but they did keep Ross out [emoji16]

A whiter part of the world you would struggle to find as well.


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[grunt]

Looking at the graph obviously Starmer's government is an outlier but also May's, she mustn't have got the memo, Boris sorted it though
Slightly clearer picture. Stunning graph, deserves to be seen.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRzkK3oWEAAT5tj?format=jpg&name=medium

[silverhibee]

I can't figure out how so many voted reform in Aberdeenshire and Moray East, but they did keep Ross out 😁

I’m baffled why any Scottish person voted for them, not once did Farage or Tice talk about Scotland and don’t think they even ventured up here either but folk thought, that’s who I want to vote for, crazy, yes we have a few crackpots here but the media have allowed RP to terrorise people that immigrants will kill rape and steal from you and mainly old people have fell for it.

[Hibrandenburg]

A whiter part of the world you would struggle to find as well.


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Exactly the same as in Germany. Those areas (mainly former East Germany) where they have the least immigrants are the one's that vote AfD.

[lapsedhibee]

I’m baffled why any Scottish person voted for them, not once did Farage or Tice talk about Scotland and don’t think they even ventured up here either but folk thought, that’s who I want to vote for, crazy, yes we have a few crackpots here but the media have allowed RP to terrorise people that immigrants will kill rape and steal from you and mainly old people have fell for it.

Tice claimed that Farage couldn't visit Scotland because it was "too dangerous" for him to come here. People say that Farage loves to play the victim, but he only loves to play it in a very timid and cowardly way ("Oh no, my suit's got a bit of milkshake on it, call 999!)

[Bristolhibby]

Exactly the same as in Germany. Those areas (mainly former East Germany) where they have the least immigrants are the one's that vote AfD.

Must be the same in America.

I can’t imagine many Mexicans heading to ****kicker, Mississippi.

They will be heading to the big cities.

J

[Ozyhibby]

Must be the same in America.

I can’t imagine many Mexicans heading to ****kicker, Mississippi.

They will be heading to the big cities.

J

Which they see on TV and spend their lives living in fear they are heading to them. It’s fear of the unknown.
It was same in Oz when I lived there. People in Sydney perfectly comfortable with multiculturism. People in the bush living in fear of an Asian invasion.


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[grunt]

Little bit of a discussion online about phantom Reform UK candidates.

It seems some of them proved to be hard to pin down, their election material contained no photos and the candidates appeared to have no online presence, and they didn't turn up to hustings. Is this legal?

Thread about it here: https://x.com/josiahmortimer/status/1809583328049168541

Article about it here: https://bylinetimes.com/2024/07/03/reform-uks-invisible-candidates-who-are-they-hiding/

[JimBHibees]

Little bit of a discussion online about phantom Reform UK candidates.

It seems some of them proved to be hard to pin down, their election material contained no photos and the candidates appeared to have no online presence, and they didn't turn up to hustings. Is this legal?

Thread about it here: https://x.com/josiahmortimer/status/1809583328049168541

Article about it here: https://bylinetimes.com/2024/07/03/reform-uks-invisible-candidates-who-are-they-hiding/

You wouldn’t have thought it was. Surely they would have to be at the announcement of the result

[Stairway 2 7]

Few take aways. Great targeting of seats by Labour. Reform close to Lib Dems they will definitely get seats at the Scottish Parliament if the put money into campaigning,
disgusting . Greens did terrible especially compared to England and well behind reform in Scotland.
829,227 for pro Indy parties 1,561,448 for anti Indy parties.


@GrayInGlasgow
Final GE result in Scotland by votes:
🔴Labour 851,897
🟡SNP 724,758
🔵Tory 307,344
🟠LibDem 234,228
🟣Reform 167,979
🟢Green 92,685
🔵Alba 11,784

[marinello59]

You wouldn’t have thought it was. Surely they would have to be at the announcement of the result

Nope.
Galloway bailed out of his.

[JimBHibees]

Nope.
Galloway bailed out of his.

Didn’t realise you could do that. Should be banned from being a candidate again if do that

[McD]

Few take aways. Great targeting of seats by Labour. Reform close to Lib Dems they will definitely get seats at the Scottish Parliament if the put money into campaigning,
disgusting . Greens did terrible especially compared to England and well behind reform in Scotland.
829,227 for pro Indy parties 1,561,448 for anti Indy parties.


@GrayInGlasgow
Final GE result in Scotland by votes:
🔴Labour 851,897
🟡SNP 724,758
🔵Tory 307,344
🟠LibDem 234,228
🟣Reform 167,979
🟢Green 92,685
🔵Alba 11,784



After the last few years it’s not surprising how poorly the Greens (in Scotland) did. Harvey and Slater have done massive damage to the credibility of the party imo

[Moulin Yarns]

Few take aways. Great targeting of seats by Labour. Reform close to Lib Dems they will definitely get seats at the Scottish Parliament if the put money into campaigning,
disgusting . Greens did terrible especially compared to England and well behind reform in Scotland.
829,227 for pro Indy parties 1,561,448 for anti Indy parties.


@GrayInGlasgow
Final GE result in Scotland by votes:
🔴Labour 851,897
🟡SNP 724,758
🔵Tory 307,344
🟠LibDem 234,228
🟣Reform 167,979
🟢Green 92,685
🔵Alba 11,784

You have to remember that the green party don't stand in every seat in a general election, but I think they came 3rd in every seat in Glasgow.


QUOTE

With record results across the country, it has been a successful general election for the Scottish Greens and a big step towards securing record numbers of MSPs in 2026 and councillors in 2027.

The party has significantly grown its vote across Scotland after a campaign that saw them stand a record 44 candidates.

This comes alongside a record UK-wide Green result and four Green MPs being elected to Westminster for England.

[Moulin Yarns]

Didn’t realise you could do that. Should be banned from being a candidate again if do that

The SNP guy wasn't there in Dingwall for the recount. Had a prior engagement

[marinello59]

You have to remember that the green party don't stand in every seat in a general election, but I think they came 3rd in every seat in Glasgow.


QUOTE

With record results across the country, it has been a successful general election for the Scottish Greens and a big step towards securing record numbers of MSPs in 2026 and councillors in 2027.

The party has significantly grown its vote across Scotland after a campaign that saw them stand a record 44 candidates.

This comes alongside a record UK-wide Green result and four Green MPs being elected to Westminster for England.

If only we had the Green Party from down South rather than the bunch of incompetent careerist lickspittles we have in Scotland.

[JohnM1875]

If only we had the Green Party from down South rather than the bunch of incompetent careerist lickspittles we have in Scotland.

Is that not just British and maybe world politics in general? When watching the results come in the other night the amount of folk on who had moved parties was astonishing. Do they actually care about party policies or do they just care about trying to make a living and will do whatever.

The very few honest ones out there I feel sorry for.

[Stairway 2 7]

If only we had the Green Party from down South rather than the bunch of incompetent careerist lickspittles we have in Scotland.

Yeah definitely although they are pretty mental to often opposing onshore wind, solar projects and rail expansion. They will never do much in the uk with FPTP, that's why the other parties should have green pacts like nations and agree on targets imo. The opposite will happen though I think one of the tories and reforms main attacks will be on any of Labour’s green policies

[overdrive]

Little bit of a discussion online about phantom Reform UK candidates.

It seems some of them proved to be hard to pin down, their election material contained no photos and the candidates appeared to have no online presence, and they didn't turn up to hustings. Is this legal?

Thread about it here: https://x.com/josiahmortimer/status/1809583328049168541

Article about it here: https://bylinetimes.com/2024/07/03/reform-uks-invisible-candidates-who-are-they-hiding/

I’m a member of Republic and we had a campaign to contact candidates to ask them about their views on opening up the FOI Act to the royal family and their general view on abolishing the monarchy.

We had several people pointing out that the email addresses listed for several Reform candidates didn’t actually exist. Emails got bounced back. This was generally where they didn’t have any social media presence either. It was actually the case with the Reform candidate I tried to contact.

This is very interesting in light of that!

[JimBHibees]

The SNP guy wasn't there in Dingwall for the recount. Had a prior engagement

Was that the one delayed though which suppose is reasonable

[JimBHibees]

He should listen to his nephew, not give up so easily and believe :greengrin

Unlike his nephew, I assume he didn’t appear when you said his name

Appreciate this will be a very niche reference

Who is his nephew?

[JimBHibees]

I’m baffled why any Scottish person voted for them, not once did Farage or Tice talk about Scotland and don’t think they even ventured up here either but folk thought, that’s who I want to vote for, crazy, yes we have a few crackpots here but the media have allowed RP to terrorise people that immigrants will kill rape and steal from you and mainly old people have fell for it.

Probably the same folk walking through our streets next weekend

[JimBHibees]

Richard Coles
@RevRichardColes
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Looking at the formation of a new cabinet and I realise it’s been while since ministers were appointed on the basis of knowing something about their area of responsibility rather than actively hating it

Good point. Always thought Johnson foreign secretary was a bizarre appointment a bit like when Blair got that Middle East peace envoy role

[jamie_1875]

Keir Starmer in Edinburgh today. I want our governments to work together to make things better for the people of Scotland, both governments in the last period have been guilty of seemingly more interested in creating grievance and fighting each other, appreciate the Tory government that has gone was one of the worst ever but the SG needs to take some responsibility as well. Let's hope we see a different working relationship.

[overdrive]

Who is his nephew?

Joe Hendry who is a wrestler and went viral recently for his self written and performed entrance music (he used to be the front man of a rock band) “I believe in Joe Hendry”. It went so viral that it reached no.4 in the UK charts.

[grunt]

Keir Starmer in Edinburgh today. I want our governments to work together to make things better for the people of Scotland, both governments in the last period have been guilty of seemingly more interested in creating grievance and fighting each other, appreciate the Tory government that has gone was one of the worst ever but the SG needs to take some responsibility as well. Let's hope we see a different working relationship.
Seems like a case of victim blaming to me.

[Stairway 2 7]

Seems like a case of victim blaming to me.

Mcalpine wrote before the attempted bottle return scheme was launched that it was a political decision to cause an argument. He said it clearly isn't legal and Slater knows that, he said get the legal position before spending millions and then getting stopped. I think he was proven right. Liz Lloyds WhatsApps with Sturgeon said "we need more old fashioned rammys" with Westminster to get people onside and to be "purely political " and give ultimatums to Westminster that can't be met.

It's a definite tactic to say look we tried but our hands are tied. That and branch office comments obviously backfired as pro union parties got 66% of votes.

We need to stop the arguments and run positive campaigns, the people are sick of court cases and chaos. Let's do what we do well make things good for Scots and emphasise it and stop the negativity.

Tricia Marwick, former SNP Presiding Officer retweeted Mcalpines piece and said you're not a member whats it got to do with you basically. That's the problem an insular group not taking criticism. That was fine when they got the seats but when getting hammered down to 9 seats you should be humble and listen. I think Flynn gets that whereas Sturgeon just blamed everyone else calling SNP they and them all night

[JimBHibees]

Joe Hendry who is a wrestler and went viral recently for his self written and performed entrance music (he used to be the front man of a rock band) “I believe in Joe Hendry”. It went so viral that it reached no.4 in the UK charts.

Ok cheers

[jamie_1875]

Seems like a case of victim blaming to me.

The passing of th UN Convention of Children's rights as an example, many times the SG were told it would infringe on reserved matters by the lawyers. They went ahead anyway knowing it would be blocked, it was then blocked and they made a big noise about how the Tories were blocking children's rights and disrespecting the parliament. And guess what a few years later when they could be bothered hey made a few changes and hey presto the bill became law in Scotland.

Why not listen to the experts in the first place and make the changes and save the taxpayers no doubt a lot of money.

Just saying it will hopefully make a difference not having the Tories but each Government has to work together constructively.

[grunt]

Mcalpine wrote before the attempted bottle return scheme was launched that it was a political decision to cause an argument.
Don't you think the bottle return scheme was the right thing to do?

[Hiber-nation]

Don't you think the bottle return scheme was the right thing to do?

Whether it was or wasn't the wrong person was in charge. I know a couple of SG employees who had to deal with her and they said it was basically impossible.

[BroxburnHibee]

Didn’t realise you could do that. Should be banned from being a candidate again if do that

Truss wasn't gonna go on to the platform until the crowd started slow clapping

[Moulin Yarns]

Don't you think the bottle return scheme was the right thing to do?

There was nothing wrong with the DRS, as has been proven in Brecon and Lidl.

[Moulin Yarns]

Alex Salmond has admitted voting for the SNP at the General Election despite being the leader of the rival Alba Party.

[grunt]

Alex Salmond has admitted voting for the SNP at the General Election despite being the leader of the rival Alba Party.
:greengrin

[lapsedhibee]

Alex Salmond has admitted voting for the SNP at the General Election despite being the leader of the rival Alba Party.

What should he have done on the day, spoiled his ballot paper or not voted at all? Perhaps he doesn't believe in either of those two courses of action.

[Moulin Yarns]

What should he have done, spoiled his ballot paper or not voted at all? Perhaps he doesn't believe in either of those two courses of action.

He could have stood in the constituency!?

[lapsedhibee]

He could have stood in the constituency!?

On the day what should he have done?

[grunt]

Laura Kuenssberg opening her interview with Ed Davey: "Congratulations, I suppose".

She should be sacked.

[overdrive]

Laura Kuenssberg opening her interview with Ed Davey: "Congratulations, I suppose".

She should be sacked.

When she was having a go at Burnham for wanting the Manchester to Liverpool railway plan finalised saying it was him wanting extra funding that we didn’t have, I loved it when he pointed out it was actually fully budgeted for by the Tory government and it was wrangling about specifics that was holding it up that he was wanting the new government to sort. She quickly moved on when she realised she had been ‘clamped’.

[silverhibee]

Tice claimed that Farage couldn't visit Scotland because it was "too dangerous" for him to come here. People say that Farage loves to play the victim, but he only loves to play it in a very timid and cowardly way ("Oh no, my suit's got a bit of milkshake on it, call 999!)

Just read the story from Tice, which makes it even worse that folk voted for RP, Tice, bad Scotland the people will be violent towards you and yet loads of folk voted for them, deary me.

[Stairway 2 7]

Don't you think the bottle return scheme was the right thing to do?

100% it's great but if not done legally it's a moot point. You get the exemption first and then push forward. Andy wightman said similar he's passionate about green issues

@andywightman
I still have the same question. Why was DRS allowed to get to such an advanced stage without a legally watertight exemption from the Internal Market Act in place before it got to that stage? Did Ministers make assumptions they should not have

[RyeSloan]

Don't you think the bottle return scheme was the right thing to do?


What bottle return scheme is that? Another monumental fail that achieved nothing except maybe good sport for the politics of division that’s failed the Indy movement so badly.

Exact figures are not available but Lorna Slater stated producers had ‘invested’ £100m in the scheme and contractors to Circularity Scotland, such as Biffa, will have invested significant funds with some estimating this at around £80m.

Do you think forcing companies to spend that money without ensuring the scheme could even go ahead was the right thing to do?

This debacle is exactly the thing people are sick of and what they mean when they say they want governments to start working constructively together.

[Stairway 2 7]

Laura Kuenssberg opening her interview with Ed Davey: "Congratulations, I suppose".

She should be sacked.

She's vile. Looks like she's been wanting to cry since Thursday night

[Keith_M]

Exactly the same as in Germany. Those areas (mainly former East Germany) where they have the least immigrants are the one's that vote AfD.


:agree:


It would be hard to find anywhere with as high a percentage white ethnic Germans than in Sachsen (Saxony) but, bizarrely, immigration is the main topic for an incredibly high number of the population.

A (now former) friend of my wife who lives there ranted on about it not being safe for women and kids to go to play parks, for reasons that sounded awfully like the NS propaganda of the 1930s.

[grunt]

Exact figures are not available but Lorna Slater stated producers had ‘invested’ £100m in the scheme and contractors to Circularity Scotland, such as Biffa, will have invested significant funds with some estimating this at around £80m.
:wink:


This debacle is exactly the thing people are sick of and what they mean when they say they want governments to start working constructively together.
How do you suggest SG could have worked constructively together with the Tories? It remains to be seen how much better together we'll be with Labour in charge.

[Moulin Yarns]

On the day what should he have done?

Good try, but it was his fault that there wasn't an Alba candidate in his constituency. He made a decision, on the day, to vote for another party, one which he has criticised for years.

[weecounty hibby]

He could have stood as a candidate but he didn't. He knew there was absolutely no chance of any alba getting a win so he didn't stand as his ego wouldn't allow it. He put up sacrificial candidates like MacAskill. I was at the count in Alloa Town Hall and it was embarrassing watching a man who had done so much for the independence movement wandering about watching baskets with single figure papers in them for him. Salmond and Ahmed Sheik didn't have the balls to stand but let others take a fall. We as a party need to take a long look at ourselves because we have made loads of mistakes but so does he and his band of misfits and nutters. They have helped set the movement back years

[Jack]

Good try, but it was his fault that there wasn't an Alba candidate in his constituency. He made a decision, on the day, to vote for another party, one which he has criticised for years.

Well the wee fat jambo wiznae gonna vote green, wiz he?


Apologies to him if he's grown taller or lost weight!

[marinello59]

:wink:


How do you suggest SG could have worked constructively together with the Tories? It remains to be seen how much better together we'll be with Labour in charge.

Both Governments were at fault. The signs are good that Swinney and Starmer can reset that relationship. It’s politically advantageous for Labour to be seen to be making devolution work, that’s a big difference from the Tories who had nothing to gain.

[Just Alf]

Both Governments were at fault. The signs are good that Swinney and Starmer can reset that relationship. It’s politically advantageous for Labour to be seen to be making devolution work, that’s a big difference from the Tories who had nothing to gain.Agreed, the Scottish version of the DRS was modelled on the Westminster White paper, it was only when the Conservatives decided to remove glass from the English version of DRS that things started to go pear shaped.

[Stairway 2 7]

Not our election but across the channel. Brilliant exit polls released. Looks like big left and centre majority. Le Pen's RN in 3rd. When the reality of the fascists getting a chance came up the centre and left woke up in disgust

[lapsedhibee]

Good try, but it was his fault that there wasn't an Alba candidate in his constituency. He made a decision, on the day, to vote for another party, one which he has criticised for years.

And are you saying his decision was the wrong one? He would have criticised, for years, all the parties with any chance of winning that seat.

[pollution]

This may have been mentioned, but apart from Yvette Cooper and Ian Murray, are there any Scottish cabinet members ?

[Andy Bee]

This may have been mentioned, but apart from Yvette Cooper and Ian Murray, are there any Scottish cabinet members ?

Pat McFadden but he's MP for Wolves as Cooper is an MP for Pontefract so only Murray as an MP in Scotland

[Stairway 2 7]

This may have been mentioned, but apart from and Ian Murray, are there any Scottish cabinet members ?
3 out of 21
Pat Mcfadden Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
Yvette Cooper Home Secretary
Ian Murray Scottish secretary

Douglas Alexander is frontbench minister of state

[marinello59]

Pat McFadden but he's MP for Wolves as Cooper is an MP for Pontefract so only Murray as an MP in Scotland

That will change as times goes by and the new intake of Scottish MPs settle in and talent is spotted. Convention is that the Shadow Cabinet slot in to the roles they have shadowed and are familiar with and with just a couple of exceptions that has been followed.

[Stairway 2 7]

Didn't realise reform basically did the same as UKIP almost a decade ago before the two brexit elections


@sundersays

Reform
Reform 2024 (4 million votes, 5 seats)
Got over 30% in just 10 seats
98 second places

Ukip 2015 (4 miillion votes, 13%, 1 seat)
> 30% in 8 seats
120 second places: "a springboard for 2020?"

[lapsedhibee]

Didn't realise reform basically did the same as UKIP almost a decade ago before the two brexit elections


@sundersays

Reform
Reform 2024 (4 million votes, 5 seats)
Got over 30% in just 10 seats
98 second places

Ukip 2015 (4 miillion votes, 13%, 1 seat)
> 30% in 8 seats
120 second places: "a springboard for 2020?"

Big difference this time round is that the BBC will have even more opportunities to platform the party/company's charismatic cult leader. Expect to see Farage's soundbites on their main news bulletins every time he speaks in Parliament. Or even if he doesn't speak. Waves a flag, turns his back, refuses to sit down for the Speaker, gets thrown out, whatever he does now will be broadcast, because he's such box office. 2024 could be the springboard.

[JimBHibees]

This may have been mentioned, but apart from Yvette Cooper and Ian Murray, are there any Scottish cabinet members ?

Don’t think Yvette Cooper is Scottish

[marinello59]

Don’t think Yvette Cooper is Scottish

Born in Inverness

[Stairway 2 7]

Big difference this time round is that the BBC will have even more opportunities to platform the party/company's charismatic cult leader. Expect to see Farage's soundbites on their main news bulletins every time he speaks in Parliament. Or even if he doesn't speak. Waves a flag, turns his back, refuses to sit down for the Speaker, gets thrown out, whatever he does now will be broadcast, because he's such box office. 2024 could be the springboard.

We'll hear 10 times more about Farage than we will about Ed Davey which is shocking. Yes the speaker will have his work cut out with Farage and some of the independents.

[JimBHibees]

Born in Inverness

Didn’t realise that spent all her life down south though didn’t she.

[JimBHibees]

What bottle return scheme is that? Another monumental fail that achieved nothing except maybe good sport for the politics of division that’s failed the Indy movement so badly.

Exact figures are not available but Lorna Slater stated producers had ‘invested’ £100m in the scheme and contractors to Circularity Scotland, such as Biffa, will have invested significant funds with some estimating this at around £80m.

Do you think forcing companies to spend that money without ensuring the scheme could even go ahead was the right thing to do?

This debacle is exactly the thing people are sick of and what they mean when they say they want governments to start working constructively together.

It was clearly the Uk government being diks though

[Moulin Yarns]

And are you saying his decision was the wrong one? He would have criticised, for years, all the parties with any chance of winning that seat.

You are reading a lot more than I'm writing.

Salmond admits to vote for the SNP.
No alba candidate.
You changed your post from "what should he have done" to "what should he have done on the day"
What he should have done was put up an Alba candidate.
What he did on the day is neither here nor there.

The story is that he admits to voting for the party which he has criticised for years.

[lapsedhibee]

You are reading a lot more than I'm writing.

Salmond admits to vote for the SNP.
No alba candidate.
You changed your post from "what should he have done" to "what should he have done on the day"
What he should have done was put up an Alba candidate.
What he did on the day is neither here nor there.

The story is that he admits to voting for the party which he has criticised for years.

It's one thing to criticise Alba for not putting up a candidate. Maybe they didn't have the money, I don't know. If Salmond voted tactically to keep the Tory out, I don't see what's wrong with that. Perhaps the story should have been about why Alba didn't put up a candidate rather than about Salmond 'admitting' who he did or didn't vote for.

[Ozyhibby]

It's one thing to criticise Alba for not putting up a candidate. Maybe they didn't have the money, I don't know. If Salmond voted tactically to keep the Tory out, I don't see what's wrong with that. Perhaps the story should have been about why Alba didn't put up a candidate rather than about Salmond 'admitting' who he did or didn't vote for.

I wonder what’s next for Alba? The performed horrifically on Thursday. Money must be tight. How long can they keep it going?


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[Moulin Yarns]

I wonder what’s next for Alba? The performed horrifically on Thursday. Money must be tight. How long can they keep it going?


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I imagine they will ask the SNP to stand aside to allow them a landslide victory in 2026.🤣 Salmonds ego trip.

[Moulin Yarns]

It's one thing to criticise Alba for not putting up a candidate. Maybe they didn't have the money, I don't know. If Salmond voted tactically to keep the Tory out, I don't see what's wrong with that. Perhaps the story should have been about why Alba didn't put up a candidate rather than about Salmond 'admitting' who he did or didn't vote for.

You don't think, as leader of alba, that he should have stood?

They managed to put up 19 candidates in 57 constituencies, but the leader wasn't one of them.

[lapsedhibee]

You don't think, as leader of alba, that he should have stood?


I don't know the circumstances. I would have been interested to know, but unfortunately that wasn't covered in the daft gotcha political reporting that I saw, where Salmond 'admitted' which way he voted. Like a reporter shone a bright light in his face till he confessed. Political reporting in this country is moronic.

[Moulin Yarns]

I don't know the circumstances. I would have been interested to know, but unfortunately that wasn't covered in the daft gotcha political reporting that I saw, where Salmond 'admitted' which way he voted. Like a reporter shone a bright light in his face till he confessed. Political reporting in this country is moronic.

Did any other party leaders decide not to stand, who didn't already have a seat in a parliament?

[grunt]

I don't know the circumstances. I would have been interested to know, but unfortunately that wasn't covered in the daft gotcha political reporting that I saw, where Salmond 'admitted' which way he voted. Like a reporter shone a bright light in his face till he confessed. Political reporting in this country is moronic.


Did any other party leaders decide not to stand, who didn't already have a seat in a parliament?Some info here, but not much.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgg5x1nlw8o

[lapsedhibee]

Did any other party leaders decide not to stand, who didn't already have a seat in a parliament?

Don't think so. I think Ross at one time promised not to stand in the GE but changed his mind when the opportunity to shaft a colleague arose. That all ended happily though as Ross lost, thanks in part to some very sensible tactical voting in that constituency.

[grunt]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/08/reform-uk-under-pressure-to-prove-all-its-candidates-were-real-people?CMP=share_btn_url

Reform UK under pressure to prove all its candidates were real people

[Keith_M]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/08/reform-uk-under-pressure-to-prove-all-its-candidates-were-real-people?CMP=share_btn_url

Reform UK under pressure to prove all its candidates were real people


I'd just love it if they get caught out having faked some candidates.


:greengrin

[Bostonhibby]

Can maybe see where to Tories / son of tories - reforms problem might lie?

https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1810022581392523427?t=nhuvGB9yTP_qwPIsR83wvQ&s=08

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[Kato]

Can maybe see where to Tories / son of tories - reforms problem might lie?

https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1810022581392523427?t=nhuvGB9yTP_qwPIsR83wvQ&s=08

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https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240708/0e5fb5a2d4b5130dc533d371b5a0a7fc.jpgHere's hoping the trend flourishes. Reform seemingly have a massive presence on TikTok in an attempt to woo youngsters, I also read the French demographic shows younger people supporting the fash.

I'd get the Ukrainians to bomb the bot farms.

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[Bostonhibby]

Here's hoping. Reform seemingly have a massive presence on TikTok in an attempt to woo youngsters, I also read the French demographic shows younger people supporting the fash.

I'd get the Ukrainians to bomb the bot farms.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkMight hit a few of those fake Reform candidates [emoji23]

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[Stairway 2 7]

Might hit a few of those fake Reform candidates [emoji23]

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😆

[Stairway 2 7]

Can maybe see where to Tories / son of tories - reforms problem might lie?

https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1810022581392523427?t=nhuvGB9yTP_qwPIsR83wvQ&s=08

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You'd think the plus 65yo would want young tax payers coming into the country and making sure there is money to pay the pensions. Europe has a demographic time bomb, aging population low birth rates. We'll be trying to sell ourselves to prospective refugees in 30 years or our pensions won't be sustainable

[Bostonhibby]

You'd think the plus 65yo would want young tax payers coming into the country and making sure there is money to pay the pensions. Europe has a demographic time bomb, aging population low birth rates. We'll be trying to sell ourselves to prospective refugees in 30 years or our pensions won't be sustainableNot much to disagree with there, problem is getting that demographic (generally) to ever see they might just have got something wrong....................

Ironically, on your pension point these are the very people who think there's a magic money tree for pensions, the one the Tories often accuse labour of believing in.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Not much to disagree with there, problem is getting that demographic (generally) to ever see they might just have got something wrong....................

Ironically, on your pension point these are the very people who think there's a magic money tree for pensions, the one the Tories often accuse labour of believing in.

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Yeah I've had people say to me I've paid in every year to the state pension so my money is in the pot, unfortunately it's not like that as you know. I don't think some would like it to be called a benefit as it would group them with people they despise.

I've shown people stats that prove immigrants are a net plus to the exchequer pay more tax than they receive in benefits. They just don't accept it, that's without even saying bringing in young people who in general have more children is also a plus.

They should be happily retired away playing bowls, not reading the daily mail and being told to hate people

[Bostonhibby]

Yeah I've had people say to me I've paid in every year to the state pension so my money is in the pot, unfortunately it's not like that as you know. I don't think some would like it to be called a benefit as it would group them with people they despise.

I've shown people stats that prove immigrants are a net plus to the exchequer pay more tax than they receive in benefits. They just don't accept it, that's without even saying bringing in young people who in general have more children is also a plus.

They should be happily retired away playing bowls, not reading the daily mail and being told to hate peopleAt the risk of completely agreeing, I completely agree[emoji6]

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[Kato]

You'd think the plus 65yo would want young tax payers coming into the country and making sure there is money to pay the pensions.


They've been sold a pup and get the likes of Alexendar Boris De Peffel Johnson and Nigel Farage to do their thinking for them. Like nodding dogs when they hear a clipped accent. It's a hex.

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[Colr]

They've been sold a pup and get the likes of Alexendar Boris De Peffel Johnson and Nigel Farage do their thinking for them. Like nodding dogs when they hear a clipped accent. It's a hex.

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Seems to be.
It’s like a kind of servility
Try and explain what the impact of their NHS proposals would be and you get a blank look.

Th

[Andy Bee]

Not much to disagree with there, problem is getting that demographic (generally) to ever see they might just have got something wrong....................

Ironically, on your pension point these are the very people who think there's a magic money tree for pensions, the one the Tories often accuse labour of believing in.

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Here's hoping the Tories were right and Labour do believe in the MMT

[Ozyhibby]

You'd think the plus 65yo would want young tax payers coming into the country and making sure there is money to pay the pensions. Europe has a demographic time bomb, aging population low birth rates. We'll be trying to sell ourselves to prospective refugees in 30 years or our pensions won't be sustainable

There is no room for common sense in this debate. I’m now leaning towards reducing immigration because the price seems to be the rise of fascism in democracy. That’s a price too far for me.


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[Ozyhibby]

Here's hoping the Tories were right and Labour do believe in the MMT

MMT is fantasy stuff. It only works for the US and there may even be a limit there.
If it works for the UK then we have reached and breached that limit with Truss. We can’t do it again.


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[SHODAN]

There is no room for common sense in this debate. I’m now leaning towards reducing immigration because the price seems to be the rise of fascism in democracy. That’s a price too far for me.


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My partner applied for UK citizenship this year and I hope to god she gets it before some fascist forcibly deports her. Maybe Starmer will jump the queue and do it before 2029 if he wants to show Farage he means business. Who knows, maybe they'll come for dual citizens next? That puts my daughter on the line as well, and me if I eventually apply for my Austrian passport.

Talking about curbs on immigration to appease the right might make sense in the abstract, but it's a whole lot different when you and your family are directly affected.

[Ozyhibby]

My partner applied for UK citizenship this year and I hope to god she gets it before some fascist forcibly deports her. Maybe Starmer will jump the queue and do it before 2029 if he wants to show Farage he means business. Who knows, maybe they'll come for dual citizens next? That puts my daughter on the line as well, and me if I eventually apply for my Austrian passport.

Talking about curbs on immigration to appease the right might make sense in the abstract, but it's a whole lot different when you and your family are directly affected.

It would be a lot worse if the fascists get in power.


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[overdrive]

My partner applied for UK citizenship this year and I hope to god she gets it before some fascist forcibly deports her. Maybe Starmer will jump the queue and do it before 2029 if he wants to show Farage he means business. Who knows, maybe they'll come for dual citizens next? That puts my daughter on the line as well, and me if I eventually apply for my Austrian passport.

Talking about curbs on immigration to appease the right might make sense in the abstract, but it's a whole lot different when you and your family are directly affected.

The dual citizen thing would probably become an issue to an extent under a far right government. The French lot wanted to restrict dual citizens from holding certain “strategic” jobs.

[Stairway 2 7]

Tory papers today frothing that the 100k that have come by small boat are set to be given the right to apply for asylum. I think some so called educated people still think Rwanda was a good idea

https://archive.ph/mfmea
Labour is to allow more than 100,000 migrants to apply for asylum after scrapping Rishi Sunak’s Rwanda scheme, Sir Keir Starmer’s spokesman indicated on Monday.
Some 90,000 migrants earmarked for deportation to Rwanda will be among the 102,000 who will be processed through the asylum system.

[Bristolhibby]

Tory papers today frothing that the 100k that have come by small boat are set to be given the right to apply for asylum. I think some so called educated people still think Rwanda was a good idea

https://archive.ph/mfmea
Labour is to allow more than 100,000 migrants to apply for asylum after scrapping Rishi Sunak’s Rwanda scheme, Sir Keir Starmer’s spokesman indicated on Monday.
Some 90,000 migrants earmarked for deportation to Rwanda will be among the 102,000 who will be processed through the asylum system.

The next step is to put a formal asylum application process in France, so that legitimate refugees can apply to come to Britain legally.

Bout time we took our proper share of refugees.

We desperately need for young people of working age.

J

[Andy Bee]

MMT is fantasy stuff. It only works for the US and there may even be a limit there.
If it works for the UK then we have reached and breached that limit with Truss. We can’t do it again.


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That's a bold statement my friend and one that implies that austerity is the only answer. I suggest you look up the phrase "learned helplessness"

[Ozyhibby]

That's a bold statement my friend and one that implies that austerity is the only answer. I suggest you look up the phrase "learned helplessness"

It really says nothing about austerity at all.


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[Keith_M]

This year's election had a voter turnout of 52%. Which is the lowest since 1928.

Basically the only landslide was of disinterest... or possibly in the case of many Tory voters, disenchantment.

[nonshinyfinish]

This year's election had a voter turnout of 52%. Which is the lowest since 1928.

Basically the only landslide was of disinterest... or possibly in the case of many Tory voters, disenchantment.Not quite – 52% of eligible adults voted (i.e. 52% of those who theoretically could vote).

"Turnout" as normally reported (the percentage of registered voters who voted) was just under 60% – the lowest since 2001.