Malky McKay

[BoomtownHibees]

Im about ****ing done - this is our Graeme Rix moment. This is Hibernian FC, club of the people, we have social and cultural and ethical values that stand us above in Scottish fitbaw - what the AF? Season ticket renewal :bye:

Folk need to stop comparing this to hiring a known paedophile

[Hibernia&Alba]

Do any of the appalled on here find Frankie Boyle funny?

I’m not appalled. Disappointed and a bit surprised, but not appalled. McKay isn’t a serial killer. He said some terrible things, and I don’t think his career amounts to a great deal, which means I would have preferred to steer clear of him. However, the club has made its decision and that’s that. Whilst he’s at Hibs I hope he makes a good job of things and behaves himself. He better not show us up,

[Hibs90]

Again, putting aside the baggage.

I'm still failing to see what this appointment actually brings to the table in football terms?

[Waxy]

Nothing is certain but it seems a good appointment.
The faux outrage is quite pathetic.

Exactly this.
Hope the posters that say bye to Hibs also stop posting here.

[HibeeSince85]

To those trying to return season tickets and falling into the social media craze of vented outrage can I ask your opinions on the following?

Marvin Bartley - Threatening and abusive behaviour towards an ex
Anthony Stokes - As above plus the IRA links and the drug dealing
Neil Lennon - Allegedly made a homophobic remark to his then boss
Joe Newell - Drink driving
Martin Boyle - Drink driving

I'd love to have the time to review previous posts on those subjects.

Opinions are fine, reading post after post from the same posters so outraged they can't just accept the news and move on isn't

[SHODAN]

Deleted my original posts - was an emotionally charged response, unnecessary hostile and was more likely to antagonise than convince anyone.

Not criticising anyone else for their reaction to this appointment, but will keep my public thoughts on this to a minimum for now. It isn't worth it.

[SlickShoes]

Again, putting aside the baggage.

I'm still failing to see what this appointment actually brings to the table in football terms?

People will tell you he did good at the SFA, they won’t be able to tell you how, and your opinion will be dismissed.

[Greencore]

Happy with this. He isn't manager. Couldn't give a toss about his history in other s****

Knows scottish football

F'xx cancel culture.

[eastterrace]

Im about ****ing done - this is our Graeme Rix moment. This is Hibernian FC, club of the people, we have social and cultural and ethical values that stand us above in Scottish fitbaw - what the AF? Season ticket renewal :bye: so he sent a few texts and apologise for them so your no going to go and watch hibs because of it jeez that’s a cracker.

[Victor]

You're not seriously comparing racist text messages to grooming and sleeping with a child? Dearie me. Time to log off for the evening.

Well said. “Let he without sin…….” etc

[Hibernian Verse]

I’ve already seen one person I know on Twitter tell their followers that they aren’t giving Hibs another red cent.

This is a person that watches every game using a vpn on a dodgy firestick.

Anything to look good on Twitter eh

[Johnny_Leith]

Not if it’s already bought and paid for. Running away because of who we have employed should not entitle you to a refund

Hibs appoint Graham Rix as manager for arguments sake, I'd want my money back. Would that be out order in your book?

[Exuberance1875]

To those trying to return season tickets and falling into the social media craze of vented outrage can I ask your opinions on the following?

Marvin Bartley - Threatening and abusive behaviour towards an ex
Anthony Stokes - As above plus the IRA links and the drug dealing
Neil Lennon - Allegedly made a homophobic remark to his then boss
Joe Newell - Drink driving
Martin Boyle - Drink driving

I'd love to have the time to review previous posts on those subjects.

Opinions are fine, reading post after post from the same posters so outraged they can't just accept the news and move on isn't

Another reason to get rid of Joe Newell to be fair

[Hibees1973]

Another horror show of an appointment from Hibernian FC, par for the course now.

Clubs in absolute pieces and going to progress nowhere. So disillusioned, zero connection with the fans.

Thought we had fan representation on the board?

You would think after this morning the club would have taken a breather, then a few days later look to collectively bring the support together with a vision and plan for the future.

Looking at the pages on this thread all the club has done is divide us on opinions of misogyny and sexism.

With this appointment Hibs have brought in a controversial debate and landed it right at the front door.

[Victor]

Hibs appoint Graham Rix as manager for arguments sake, I'd want my money back. Would that be out order in your book?

That would be horrible, but not sure legally it would justify a refund.

[McHibby]

But no one really cares that much about Ross County. I can see the fans of other clubs having a field because he’s now at Hibs. We just could be doing without this at the moment.

His appointment was also as divisive amongst the County fans as it is here. But, as you say, the media, Central Belt clubs, etc aren't all that interested in Ross County so there was never much of a spotlight on it.

[CapitalGreen]

Again, putting aside the baggage.

I'm still failing to see what this appointment actually brings to the table in football terms?

Similar to what the appointment of George Craig brought I imagine. An extensive knowledge of Scottish football, relationships with key people across the game and working experience in a senior leadership role overseeing structural and strategic change within a football organisation.

[Exuberance1875]

You would think after this morning the club would have taken a breather, then a few days later look to collectively bring the support together with a vision and plan for the future.

Looking at the pages on this thread all the club has done is divide us on opinions of misogyny and sexism.

With this appointment Hibs have brought in a controversial debate and landed it right at the front door.

This 100%.

Stuff like “Hibs Class” is plastered over the ground and we appoint someone like him.

[WestCoastHibby]

I genuinely feel he served his time so to speak and had done pretty well when he returned to footballl
He has loads of contacts and plenty experience and at least he knows the Scottish game ( not a pre requisite but it sure helps )

[BoomtownHibees]

Hibs appoint Graham Rix as manager for arguments sake, I'd want my money back. Would that be out order in your book?

Did you request a refund when Joe Newell got done for drink driving?

[Northernhibee]

It’s very much a personal thing for some what is forgivable and what isn’t, so to criticise others to taking offence to something they may have been on the wrong end of isn’t on IMO.

[04Sauzee]

What steps did he take? Out of interest. And think this is a good appointment by the club.

As posted by prettyboy a few pages back

Pretty Boy 05:49 PM Today
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/footb...hiring-1460200

This article is from when MacKay was appointed to his SFA role and has statements from both Show Racism the Red Card and Kick it Out wishing him well and commenting on the work he undertook to improve himself.

[CathroMustStay]

Nothing is certain but it seems a good appointment.
The faux outrage is quite pathetic.

Damn woke mob strikes again.

Being against racism, homophobia and sexism? Snowflakes man.

Long live the Malky era. Another stunning appointment from the board.

[sauzee1989]

Hearts employed a convicted sex offender and it got less reaction than this?

[buktapurple79]

You're not seriously comparing racist text messages to grooming and sleeping with a child? Dearie me. Time to log off for the evening.

Whataboutery at its finest - we have values as a community and as a club. We've just chucked the bar away let alone lowered it.

[joe breezy]

I’ve never liked him.


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[MWHIBBIES]

Another reason to get rid of Joe Newell to be fair

And Boyle, who's been worse this season.

[DaveF]

People will tell you he did good at the SFA, they won’t be able to tell you how, and your opinion will be dismissed.

He might be *****, he might be brilliant - just like every other appointment. Difference is, some are willing to give him a chance and others not.

[Callum_62]

Malky got Ross County into the top 6 btw

Where's the failed part coming from?



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[Dashing Bob S]

There's folk already at the club who have arguably done worse than him. One has regularly captained the team.

I think he'll do a decent job as Sporting Director. He seemed to do a decent job at the SFA in that sort of role (albeit club football will be different to the SFA stuff).

I can't help but call him Milky Mackay though. I was behind him at the till in Morrisons on Ferry Rd a couple of years ago. He was buying an insane amount of milk. Several massive bottles and pretty much all the types (full fat, semi-skimmed, skimmed, organic, non-organic). :greengrin

As long as it's white he doesn't discriminate.

[Johnny_Leith]

Did you request a refund when Joe Newell got done for drink driving?

I'm not talking about my requesting a refund though because McKay's been appointed. I'm asking you why you hope another poster shouldn't get a refund.

[Onceinawhile]

Malky got Ross County into the top 6 btw

Where's the failed part coming from?



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Where were they when he left?

Why did he leave?

[MWHIBBIES]

Hearts employed a convicted sex offender and it got less reaction than this?

20 years ago, most things got less reaction on the internet tbf.

[Exuberance1875]

Malky got Ross County into the top 6 btw

Where's the failed part coming from?



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He’s failed to be a Good Samaritan

[Waxy]

Hearts employed a convicted sex offender and it got less reaction than this?

Probably because this place has quite a few posing jambos.

[Chorley Hibee]

It certainly moves the focus away from Kensell. 👀

[sauzeelegod]

Welcome to the cabbage Malky. Best of luck 🇳🇬

[Hibees1973]

Head of entire football operations at Hibs.

So will include Hibs women's football team.

Penny for their thoughts.

[dp00]

It certainly moves the focus away from Kensell. [emoji102]

Noticed this statement is from the Gordon family as well


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[Callum_62]

Where were they when he left?

Why did he leave?A manager got sacked shocked

Getting Ross C into the top 6 ofcourse is punching well above there weight

They must have about the lowest budget in the league

Bit of a push to say he failed there imo

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[Mantis Toboggan]

Probably because this place has quite a few posing jambos.

They're not even subtle anymore. Where's the fun in that

[MKHIBEE]

Hope they tell you to bolt

Im bolting whether they keep my money or not. Due to my location I get to only a few games a season, I won’t be back till he is gone.

[NAE NOOKIE]

The state we are in publicity wise this appointment probably could have been a lot safer than Malky McKay that's for sure.

But FFS there seems to be a hell of a lot of folk on here who are absolutely world class authorities on the merit, or lack of merit, of the process of rehabilitation.

I don't know Malky McKay. I've never met Malky McKay. The guy has been to rehabilitation courses or whatever and now says he understands his behaviour was entirely unacceptable. That assertion by him was enough that the SFA and one of Scotland's better run clubs in Ross County were willing to give him a chance.

Is it not possible to condemn someone's historic actions and at the same time be prepared to accept that they have changed their ways? I'm not just talking about McKay here but any member of society. What a bloody world this would be if nobody was willing to accept that a person can be genuinely sorry for their actions and strive to be a better person.

[MWHIBBIES]

Do any of the appalled on here find Frankie Boyle funny?

You don't think Frankie Boyle is racist, do you?

[.Sean.]

Happy to have a season ticket while a convicted drink driver is out captain but toys out the pram over Mackay. Both have repented and apologised.

No double standards at all....
Saved me posting it. Hibs have had countless and I mean countless dubious characters represent us. We’ve had stalkers, folk charged with violence against both men and women, drink drivers ffs. But Malky sent a couple dodgy texts 😂

He’s made a conscious and public effort to better himself too has he not?

He’s no deserving of a second chance but all the other dodgy folk that have represented us are?

Absolute hypocrites

[TrumpIsAPeado]

It’s very much a personal thing for some what is forgivable and what isn’t, so to criticise others to taking offence to something they may have been on the wrong end of isn’t on IMO.

Indeed and some members referring to this as "cancel culture" or "woke" or whatever need to have a word with themselves. I'm sure there's people who post on here from different ethnic backgrounds who would have been absolutely sickened by the text messages.

I'm not against people being rehabilitated and given second chances. But I usually reserve that to those who own up to their crimes. Not those who wait to be caught first and are ultimately only sorry that they got caught.

[hibee-boys]

What seat number/stand are you?

Yeah, have you got a good seat? Might look to move if you’re in a prime position. Keep us posted👍

[Sioux]

Consider me done. If the rest of you want to enjoy a football team built by a bigot then be my guest, I won't stop you.

:bye:

[stoneyburn hibs]

Damn woke mob strikes again.

Being against racism, homophobia and sexism? Snowflakes man.

Long live the Malky era. Another stunning appointment from the board.

Has this appointment made you consider emigrating yet?

[McHibby]

Hearts employed a convicted sex offender and it got less reaction than this?

I'm not sure that's true. The jambos I know were going mental. The media was full of it, too. I remember lots of articles about fact he was on the sex offender register and was banned from working with children so couldn't have any contact with under-16s.

[s.a.m]

Saved me posting it. Hibs have had countless and I mean countless dubious characters represent us. We’ve had stalkers, folk charged with violence against both men and women, drink drivers ffs. But Malky sent a couple dodgy texts 😂

He’s made a conscious and public effort to better himself too has he not?

He’s no deserving of a second chance but all the other dodgy folk that have represented us are?

Absolute hypocrites


Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of the Mackay appointment.... Two players with assaulting-an-Elvis-impersonator convictions. Has to be a record.

[Groathillgrump]

10 years ago a man admitted sending two inappropriate one line text messages to a mate. He apologised for causing any offence and attended a diversity training course.

I wonder how many of the holier than thou Hibs fans have never said anything offensive or inappropriate in their lifetime. Folk make mistakes and the important thing is to learn from those mistakes and become a better person. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Great post.

I bet some of the outraged people on here have done things in the past they should be ashamed of. The hypocrisy is off the scale.

[SteveHFC]

Saved me posting it. Hibs have had countless and I mean countless dubious characters represent us. We’ve had stalkers, folk charged with violence against both men and women, drink drivers ffs. But Malky sent a couple dodgy texts 😂

He’s made a conscious and public effort to better himself too has he not?

He’s no deserving of a second chance but all the other dodgy folk that have represented us are?

Absolute hypocrites

:top marks

[joe breezy]

Where were they when he left?

Why did he leave?

He almost got them relegated if Partick Thistle hadn’t missed a penalty

It’s not the managers job though and he does know Scottish football which many have been crying out for

It’s quality Scottish players we need to make money a la John McGinn


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[BoomtownHibees]

I'm not talking about my requesting a refund though because McKay's been appointed. I'm asking you why you hope another poster shouldn't get a refund.

I think I’ve already answered that

[MKHIBEE]

Why not? Why should anyone be entitled to a refund because they don’t like someone the club has employed?


I may not be entitled to one, if not I will accept that. What I won’t do is spend another penny on Hibs till he is gone.

[Stuart93]

I may not be entitled to one, if not I will accept that. What I won’t do is spend another penny on Hibs till he is gone.

So you keep telling us

[Hibernia&Alba]

I'm not sure that's true. The jambos I know were going mental. The media was full of it, too. I remember lots of articles about fact he was on the sex offender register and was banned from working with children so couldn't have any contact with under-16s.

Correct. That really was a bizarre appointment.

[Fergus52]

Sacked as Ross county months ago.

Why is anyone here happy at this appointment aside from being reactionary against those who will complain about it due to his previous misdemeanors?

[.Sean.]

I may not be entitled to one, if not I will accept that. What I won’t do is spend another penny on Hibs till he is gone.
God, how will the club ever financially recover from this

[SlickShoes]

He might be *****, he might be brilliant - just like every other appointment. Difference is, some are willing to give him a chance and others not.

So we can’t be negative about the appointment because? His track record is rubbish, no one can point to what exactly he’s done in football that’s actually good, but at least he’s “served his time” and it gets one up on the “woke” mob eh

[Stuart93]

Sacked as Ross county months ago.

Why is anyone here happy at this appointment aside from being reactionary against those who will complain about it due to his previous misdemeanors?

Because he hasn’t been appointed as manager?

A sporting director will be completely different from a managers job

[Sioux]

I’m not thinking of it, I’m doing it.

Look at me, look at me!

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

I may not be entitled to one, if not I will accept that. What I won’t do is spend another penny on Hibs till he is gone.

Yawn 😴😴😴

[sleeping giant]

Lol, I bet half the folk foaming at the mouth wouldn't want their hard drive checked.

[MKHIBEE]

What seat number/stand are you?
Why? I’m in the west stand roughly in line with 18yard line at the FF end.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Lol, I bet half the folk foaming at the mouth wouldn't want their hard drive checked.

steady oan :shocked:

[Sioux]

Exactly.

He's gone from being sacked at Ross County to head of our entire football operation.

Incredible.

Every manager gets sacked.

[DaveF]

So we can’t be negative about the appointment because? His track record is rubbish, no one can point to what exactly he’s done in football that’s actually good, but at least he’s “served his time” and it gets one up on the “woke” mob eh

You can be as negative as you like. I might well join you if I don't see an upturn in organisation and the overall clubs fortunes.

But I'm not getting all antsy and demanding money back because of it. That's my main gripe here.

[.Sean.]

Lol, I bet half the folk foaming at the mouth wouldn't want their hard drive checked.
Or their group chats checked 😂

As I said, hypocrites

[MKHIBEE]

Look at me, look at me!
Why? What are you going to do?

[flash]

Lol, I bet half the folk foaming at the mouth wouldn't want their hard drive checked.

Laugh out loud moment.

[Stuart93]

Why? I’m in the west stand roughly in line with 18yard line at the FF end.

He’s obviously wanting your seat from you if you aren’t coming back

[TrumpIsAPeado]

Lol, I bet half the folk foaming at the mouth wouldn't want their hard drive checked.

As oppose to half of the folk delighted about this appointment not wanting their text messages checked eh? :cb

[Callum_62]

So we can’t be negative about the appointment because? His track record is rubbish, no one can point to what exactly he’s done in football that’s actually good, but at least he’s “served his time” and it gets one up on the “woke” mob ehWhats rubbish about his track record?

He's pretty experienced in a variety of jobs and will have that apparently vitally important "knowledge of Scottish football"

He lead Ross county to there highest league finish in just about a decade in his 2nd season there

Like I said elsewhere, it's Ross county - they will have Just about the lowest budget going

He's not the manager either but he did have a knack of signing players for RC that seemed above there level

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[Allant1981]

So you keep telling us

Most likely doesn't have a season ticket anyway

[Sioux]

So what big positive achievements does he have?

He's pissin you off for a start.

[Cat Stanton]

Has McDermott gone? Is Mackay his replacement?

I am confused.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Because he hasn’t been appointed as manager?

A sporting director will be completely different from a managers job

It is.

There appears very little evidence that it’s a ‘great appointment’ as is being suggested though. Which kind of gives credence to the idea that some folk are simply being reactionary to the view of not wanting him here.

Theres little from his career so far that screams great appointment from what I can see. For balance, there’s not much to say he’ll be a bad one either, but there definitely appears to be little that screams ‘great appointment’.

[Gordy M]

So we can’t be negative about the appointment because? His track record is rubbish, no one can point to what exactly he’s done in football that’s actually good, but at least he’s “served his time” and it gets one up on the “woke” mob eh

Did he not get Ross Co in the top 6? A lot of folk on here wanting a manager who has done that with a bigger club than Ross Co?
Was he not reasonably successful down south as well?

[SlickShoes]

Or their group chats checked 😂

As I said, hypocrites

It may shock you that not everyone is taking part in horrible racist group chats, even if you are.

[DaveF]

This should take a few more thousand off the gate for the Hanlon / Stevenson farewell.

[SunshineOnLeith]

The state we are in publicity wise this appointment probably could have been a lot safer than Malky McKay that's for sure.

But FFS there seems to be a hell of a lot of folk on here who are absolutely world class authorities on the merit, or lack of merit, of the process of rehabilitation.

I don't know Malky McKay. I've never met Malky McKay. The guy has been to rehabilitation courses or whatever and now says he understands his behaviour was entirely unacceptable. That assertion by him was enough that the SFA and one of Scotland's better run clubs in Ross County were willing to give him a chance.

Is it not possible to condemn someone's historic actions and at the same time be prepared to accept that they have changed their ways? I'm not just talking about McKay here but any member of society. What a bloody world this would be if nobody was willing to accept that a person can be genuinely sorry for their actions and strive to be a better person.

If he's so contrite and genuinely sorry then why does he still get his pal Graham Spiers to defend him with the "out of context" nonsense any time this comes up?

[wookie70]

Malky got Ross County into the top 6 btw

Where's the failed part coming from?



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[Victor]

He's pissin you off for a start.

[emoji23]

[tonyrougier123]

I may not be entitled to one, if not I will accept that. What I won’t do is spend another penny on Hibs till he is gone.

Just a tad dramatic

[cabbageandribs1875]

welcome to our club Malky :clapper:

best of luck :whistle:





i'm very much understanding those that are very much against the appointment though

[paddy1875]

I’m happy with this appointment. Anyone referring to fake breasts as falsies is a step in the right erection


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[DaveF]

It may shock you that not everyone is taking part in horrible racist group chats, even if you are.

Well done for never having laughed at a joke or a gif that's been sent or told to you over the course of your lifetime.b

You truly will go to heaven.

[.Sean.]

It may shock you that not everyone is taking part in horrible racist group chats, even if you are.
What did you think about Boyle and newell drink driving? Or say Marvin Bartley threatening a female? Or the numerous players involved in violent incidents? When we signed Garry O’Connor, who was known as being fond of the Charlie? Was everyone as holier than thou then? Jog my memory

[MKHIBEE]

So you keep telling us

You think?

[sleeping giant]

I would also wonder how many of the folk not going back , actually go in the first place 😆

[Contador]

https://www.hibs.net/blob:https://www.hibs.net/8898c074-a36a-4d17-8723-38d9deec8ac2
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNjlK45XMAEAF_f.jpg
Cringe. Someone needs to tell the teenager running this account that no one cares about your poxy wee group.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

I may not be entitled to one, if not I will accept that. What I won’t do is spend another penny on Hibs till he is gone.

Yawn 😴😴😴

[Broken Gnome]

It's honestly so tiring to read through the anger.

[babahibs]

I wouldn’t want him as manager, cos he was ***** at Ross County.

He might be a good fit for this job, but how’s it measured? I dinnae even really know what he’s meant to do day to day. What’s he here to improve, specifically? What’s different between this and McDermotts role?

Do other SPL sides have people in this role?

The “he’s a racist thing”, I’d be absolutely mortified if someone was to go through my WhatsApp history and pull out some of the things I’ve said. It doesn’t excuse it at all, but I’d imagine most folk have sent things that are over the line on there.

You'd be wrong, most folk are not racist.
If you're not a racist, you don't say racist things, ever.

[Mcbizz1998]

This should take a few more thousand off the gate for the Hanlon / Stevenson farewell.

I wasn’t planning on going but I’ll be heading along now to welcome Malky!

[MKHIBEE]

Just a tad dramatic
My money, my choice, your opinion. No:problem

[snedzuk]

I would also wonder how many of the folk not going back , actually go in the first place 😆

They would have stopped going in January 2023 when Hibernian sent Nohan Kenneh to be managed by the racist Malky Mackay at Ross County surely.

[Mcbizz1998]

[/B]
You'd be wrong, most folk are not racist.
If you're not a racist, you don't say racist things, ever.

You don’t really believe that do you? :LOL:

[Col2]

Whats rubbish about his track record?

He's pretty experienced in a variety of jobs and will have that apparently vitally important "knowledge of Scottish football"

He lead Ross county to there highest league finish in just about a decade in his 2nd season there

Like I said elsewhere, it's Ross county - they will have Just about the lowest budget going

He's not the manager either but he did have a knack of signing players for RC that seemed above there level

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This is where I am. Initial reaction was happy and then you see the absolutel drivel on X. Gives some of our fans the opportunity to start a protest group or two.

[tonyrougier123]

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Cringe. Someone needs to tell teenager running this account that no one cares about your poxy wee group.
Block 7 have a moral compass 😱.
I’d say they need to have a serious word with the members in the group,who bully their own supporters and hurl horrific abuse on a weekly basis.

[.Sean.]

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNjlK45XMAEAF_f.jpg
Cringe. Someone needs to tell teenager running this account that no one cares about your poxy wee group.
Who the **** do these ***** think they are 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[TrumpIsAPeado]

[/B]
You'd be wrong, most folk are not racist.
If you're not a racist, you don't say racist things, ever.

Indeed. Racist people seem to have this idea that everybody is racist in secret. But no, most people simply aren't racist. People can certainly be culturally arrogant at times unintentionally, but that doesn't quite fall into the same category as racism itself.

[7 Up]

The club will get pelters for this and rightly so.

[Exuberance1875]

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https://x.com/blocksevenhibs/status/1790432834588401876?s=46&t=U8GaTmHTLzTZTPfLZX3GnQ

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Cringe. Someone needs to tell the teenager running this account that no one cares about your poxy wee group.

Talk about hypocrisy, sat behind them at the derby at Tynecastle and it was absurd some of the stuff coming from this lot

[Real Emerald]

[/B]
You'd be wrong, most folk are not racist.
If you're not a racist, you don't say racist things, ever.

If you were to go through the BBC archives from the 1970’s it was mainstream. Times change and attitudes change, people learn that these things aren’t right. I just wish we hadn’t added anything else to divide our club at the moment.

[Trinity Hibee]

Is there a way block 7 can be banned/disbanded? Fed up of them

[hibee-boys]

https://www.hibs.net/blob:https://www.hibs.net/8898c074-a36a-4d17-8723-38d9deec8ac2
https://x.com/blocksevenhibs/status/1790432834588401876?s=46&t=U8GaTmHTLzTZTPfLZX3GnQ

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNjlK45XMAEAF_f.jpg
Cringe. Someone needs to tell the teenager running this account that no one cares about your poxy wee group.

Yawn off to the Green Brigade🥱

[Trinity Hibee]

Scottish football outraged by this yet we accept sectarianism every weekend

[JoeTortolanoFanClub]

A disgraceful appointment. I will not be back at Easter Road until Mackay is away from our club.

[J-C]

Manager wise maybe not great at Ross C but he's not here as manager but as sporting director, a different job altogether.

As for all the folk not wanting him due to past indiscretions, let's hope they are themselves whiter than white, or they're the biggest bunch of hypocrites going.

[jeffers]

Who the **** do these ***** think they are 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Can’t believe Hibs have insulted Block 7. Just what were they thinking.

Now if only Malky had just mocked a football disaster where multiple people lost their lives.

[PH91]

Another appointment of someone who has no experience of working in the role.

Great.

[.Sean.]

Talk about hypocrisy, sat behind them at the derby at Tynecastle and it was absurd some of the stuff coming from this lot
Wee Fannie’s happy to song about Ibrox disaster and dead Lisbon Lions though

[Stuart93]

Pot kettle come to mind with Block 7. Group of silly wee boys who’re best ignored.

[DaveF]

Ah, good old block 7. In amongst all the hypocrisy on here, they storm into the gold medal position with that guff.

[WeeRussell]

https://www.hibs.net/blob:https://www.hibs.net/8898c074-a36a-4d17-8723-38d9deec8ac2
https://x.com/blocksevenhibs/status/1790432834588401876?s=46&t=U8GaTmHTLzTZTPfLZX3GnQ

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNjlK45XMAEAF_f.jpg
Cringe. Someone needs to tell the teenager running this account that no one cares about your poxy wee group.

“An insult to the group”. 😂😂

They should have been gone before Monty!!

[scuttle]

FFS, he was guilty of some pitiful stuff but I'm willing to be it's not worse than a lost of stuff that most people on here have seen on WhatsApp groups in the past. And probably laughed at it too.

It's only 10 days on from the Dhanda incident at Ross Co ,2 days on from block sevens banner regarding racism. The timing of this appointment is going to be divisive and I wonder how our black players feel about it. Might sound hypocritical but Hibs are my passion and I hope it works out for the guy but it's double standards from the club

[SlickShoes]

Well done for never having laughed at a joke or a gif that's been sent or told to you over the course of your lifetime.b

You truly will go to heaven.

I’ve laughed at plenty jokes I just don’t find racism funny like you do

[SteveHFC]

Forgot Block 7 are perfect in everyway.

Hypocrites.

[Kaiser_Sauzee]

Is there a way block 7 can be banned/disbanded? Fed up of them

We need more banners: "Block 7 - wee f4nnies" with a big arrow pointing at them.

At away matches "Stewards - I can smell hash" with the arrow pointing at them

[DaveF]

I’ve laughed at plenty jokes I just don’t find racism funny like you do

Well that's a bit of a leap to say I find racism funny but probably what is to be expected from the drama queen camp.

[joe breezy]

Most of our Grandads will have said things now considered to be racist depending what age you are. My Mum had golly dollys. And I can remember having a golly badge.

If he took a course afterwards and genuinely showed remorse and repented then I think people can still get a chance.

No much choice now. Would’ve hoped they could have got an equivalent without the past incidents. Hibs is supposed to be an inclusive club. But it is what it is.
I wouldn’t boycott or protest as it is as I am assuming he repented, if that’s the right word.


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[IanM]

I can see some fans not going back because of the announcement

Anyone signing up cause he’s on board? Curious 😁

[Liam89]

Block 7 couldn’t give a **** about the morals of it all. Group of wannabes.

[Waxy]

A disgraceful appointment. I will not be back at Easter Road until Mackay is away from our club.

Bye

[Groathillgrump]

https://www.hibs.net/blob:https://www.hibs.net/8898c074-a36a-4d17-8723-38d9deec8ac2
https://x.com/blocksevenhibs/status/1790432834588401876?s=46&t=U8GaTmHTLzTZTPfLZX3GnQ

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNjlK45XMAEAF_f.jpg
Cringe. Someone needs to tell the teenager running this account that no one cares about your poxy wee group.

Hope Block Seven decide to boycott Hibs and never return. :bye:

[Mcbizz1998]

I can see some fans not going back because of the announcement

Anyone signing up cause he’s on board? Curious 😁

I was starting to regret renewing my season ticket. This appointment and the sacking of
Montgomery had given me hope for next season.

[SlickShoes]

Well that's a bit of a leap to say I find racism funny but probably what is to be expected from the drama queen camp.

You implied it yourself.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I can see some fans not going back because of the announcement

Anyone signing up cause he’s on board? Curious 😁

We might gain a few defections from Ibrox. Then again, not very likely :greengrin

[500miles]

Kick It Out have given him backing to go out and do better. I don't see an issue.

Riordan and Griffiths were publicly racist.
Bartley got done with threatening a lassie.
The you have the ones that got done for drink driving and could have killed someone.
God knows how many I've missed.

Why is Malky Mackay given a life ban from his trade?

[lyonhibs]

https://www.hibs.net/blob:https://www.hibs.net/8898c074-a36a-4d17-8723-38d9deec8ac2
https://x.com/blocksevenhibs/status/1790432834588401876?s=46&t=U8GaTmHTLzTZTPfLZX3GnQ

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNjlK45XMAEAF_f.jpg
Cringe. Someone needs to tell the teenager running this account that no one cares about your poxy wee group.

Oooooh now hold the phone here. If appointing Racist Malky has pissed these wee self important fannies off good and proper then I may be forced to recant my previous criticism of the appointment......

[Sioux]

Well that's a bit of a leap to say I find racism funny but probably what is to be expected from the drama queen camp.

You'll be in real bother now from the righteous brothers.

A drama queen being camp is quite risky in today's climate.

[davhibby]

Manager wise maybe not great at Ross C but he's not here as manager but as sporting director, a different job altogether.

As for all the folk not wanting him due to past indiscretions, let's hope they are themselves whiter than white, or they're the biggest bunch of hypocrites going.

Yes so the real question is did he do a good job when he had a more comparable job at the sfa? I can’t remember there being much positive said about his time in that role.

It’s a lazy “someone that knows Scottish football” appointment and he doesn’t seem to have anything else that suggests he’s a good fit to run our entire football operation. That’s ignoring the backlash that it’s caused.

[DaveF]

You implied it yourself.

No, it's you taking licence. I've laughed at jokes in the past which would have been classed as racist. That does not make me a racist - or maybe it does in your view.

If so, every person who ever laughed at Love thy neighbour or It ain't half hot mum are 100% racist.

[Fergos]

Just stunned that the board has decided that this is the best possible appointment for the club.

In terms of getting the support back onside, this was the last thing we needed.

Even outside of his past, was this genuinely the best option available to us? I'm yet to see any tangible evidence presented of his success in the role.

Surely they knew how this would go down?

Surely there were other options without this baggage and at least as qualified for the role?

I just despair.

Where im at. I care only about Hibs and id say it would have been a better approach to appoint a Ronnie Deila (sp) type with a knowledge of Scots football and the DoF could have came from anywhere in Europe, hopefully with a good track record in restructuring a football team.

Just a bizzare appointment that has already polarised a dejected support.

[7Hero]

So a route and branch review of the football club has resulted in uxs employing a friend of the chairman.What happened to the black knights?Or was that statement just to sell season tickets ?

[Paul1642]

To those trying to return season tickets and falling into the social media craze of vented outrage can I ask your opinions on the following?

Marvin Bartley - Threatening and abusive behaviour towards an ex
Anthony Stokes - As above plus the IRA links and the drug dealing
Neil Lennon - Allegedly made a homophobic remark to his then boss
Joe Newell - Drink driving
Martin Boyle - Drink driving

I'd love to have the time to review previous posts on those subjects.

Opinions are fine, reading post after post from the same posters so outraged they can't just accept the news and move on isn't

Hypocrisy at its best. You’ve named a few who have done worse than Mackay in terms of potential victim impact who are welcome at the club and I’d place a big bet that true number of semi recent Hibs players or people who would liked to see at the club who have done worse and not been publicly caught is drastically higher.

These texts were leaked 10 years ago. It’s not long before then that large portions of ER were belting out a certain song about Rudi Skacel. Society has moved on a lot in ten years and if Makay has have moved with it which he appears to have done then there is no reason why he shouldn’t be at our club. All I’m interested in is whether or not he does a good job.

[Broken Gnome]

It's only 10 days on from the Dhanda incident at Ross Co ,2 days on from block sevens banner regarding racism. The timing of this appointment is going to be divisive and I wonder how our black players feel about it. Might sound hypocritical but Hibs are my passion and I hope it works out for the guy but it's double standards from the clubA wee gander at Ross County's 2021 squad shows one black squad member - 2022 was up to seven I think.

Honestly don't think it makes a difference.

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[JohnM1875]

Most of our Grandads will have said things now considered to be racist depending what age you are. My Mum had golly dollys. And I can remember having a golly badge.

If he took a course afterwards and genuinely showed remorse and repented then I think people can still get a chance.

No much choice now. Would’ve hoped they could have got an equivalent without the past incidents. Hibs is supposed to be an inclusive club. But it is what it is.
I wouldn’t boycott or protest as it is as I am assuming he repented, if that’s the right word.


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Exactly.

I grew up in Leith and can say for sure it wasn’t called the corner shop and we didn’t have a Chinese for dinner. Still hear it all the time to this day.

It’s absolutely not right and I definitely don’t use it any more being an adult. Aye, MacKay was well, well into adulthood when he sent the messages. But I think he genuinely put himself through the courses etc to better himself and you have to hope he’s learnt from it.

[SteveHFC]

Well said Mikey Stewart
Martindale hailed as a hero of rehabilitation
Yet mckay gets his past rammed down his throat all the time

[SlickShoes]

Kick It Out have given him backing to go out and do better. I don't see an issue.

Riordan and Griffiths were publicly racist.
Bartley got done with threatening a lassie.
The you have the ones that got done for drink driving and could have killed someone.
God knows how many I've missed.

Why is Malky Mackay given a life ban from his trade?

Where is his life ban? He’s had multiple jobs

[Waxy]

Block seven jeez.
I used to give them all kinds of leeway as they’re probably all a bit young and naive.

.

[HibsGW]

Manager wise maybe not great at Ross C but he's not here as manager but as sporting director, a different job altogether.

As for all the folk not wanting him due to past indiscretions, let's hope they are themselves whiter than white, or they're the biggest bunch of hypocrites going.

They’re really not, they aren’t going for a director role at our club so it’s not comparable at all. We all know that high level corporate, director type roles and the usual roles most of us do are different and come with different expectations in terms of your public perception.

[SlickShoes]

No, it's you taking licence. I've laughed at jokes in the past which would have been classed as racist. That does not make me a racist - or maybe it does in your view.

If so, every person who ever laughed at Love thy neighbour or It ain't half hot mum are 100% racist.

That does make you racist that you laughed at racist jokes, sorry to inform you.

[IanM]

Malky’s first job is to disband block 7.. small but important steps to win over the fans

[The Tubs]

I read this in the paper a while ago and I think it says more about human relations than folk putting on shows on the internet:

In the South African summer of 1946, a young military veteran named Jules Browde enrolled as a law student at Wits University in Johannesburg. As he waited for his first seminar to begin, a “very tall, handsome” man walked in. “He was strapping,” Browde recalled decades later — and everyone looked up and clocked him. The most distinctive thing about the young man, though, was neither his height nor his broad shoulders: it was the colour of his skin. Nelson Mandela was the only black student in his class.

Mandela made his way to an empty chair next to Browde’s. The moment he sat down, the student sitting on the other side of him made a great show of getting up and going to sit on the opposite side of the room.

Nobody said a word.

The professor walked in, and the lecture began.

When the class was over, Browde introduced himself to Mandela and the two became lifelong friends. For half a century, neither mentioned what had happened that day. And then, in 1996, exactly 50 years later, by which time Mandela was president of South Africa and among the most feted human beings alive, Browde attended a lunch the president was hosting. At some point, Mandela caught Browde’s eye, called him over, and asked him to convene a reunion of their law class.

“And Jules,” Browde recalled Mandela saying, “do you remember when I came into the class and sat down . . . and the man next to me got up . . . ”

“I do remember.” Browde replied.

“His name was Ballie de Klerk.” “Please see that you invite him to come.”

“Why?” Browde asked.

Because, Mandela said, he wanted to remind De Klerk of what he had done. “I don’t mind whether he says he remembers or he doesn’t remember. Because I want to take his hand and I want to say, ‘I remember. But I forgive you. Now let’s see what we can do together for the good of this country’.”

[500miles]

Where is his life ban? He’s had multiple jobs

The implication is these people don't think he should work anywhere. If he can work at Ross County, he can work at Hibs.

[Pretty Boy]

I don't get the double standards things.

As far as I'm aware since being dismissed by Cardiff a decade ago and being investigated MacKay has kept his nose clean. Attended the recommended diversity courses, was praised by anti racism charities for the willingness to engage he showed and was singled out for praise by Herman Ousley, probably one of the most prominent anti racism campaigners in the UK. He has worked without incident in the national set up and at club level since. And not that I think only black people or Asian people should be offended by racism but he doesn't appear to have any issue signing players from such ethnicities and none of them have intimated any of form negative treatment or discrimination in the workplace.

Maybe just maybe like many before him he is a reformed character. A guy who has learned from his mistakes and wants to be better. I could understand if he was campaigning for Britain First and marching with the SDL that there would be double standards at play. Condemning a man indefinitely for who he was 10 years ago seems the action of people who fundamentally don't accept the human ability to change and don't believe in rehabilitation. Fair enough if that's your viewpoint but it seems harsh to me.

Anyway I'm out of this one because no one is going to change their mind. It's an argument in which everyone's colours are nailed to the mast and there is no budging.

[babahibs]

You don’t really believe that do you? :LOL:

Of course I do , wtf is wrong with you?

[DaveF]

That does make you racist that you laughed at racist jokes, sorry to inform you.

You better break that news to the thousands / millions of people who laughed at the aforementioned programmes.

FWIW, I think your view is total bollocks.

[SlickShoes]

The implication is these people don't think he should work anywhere. If he can work at Ross County, he can work at Hibs.

That doesn’t mean they have to like and support the appointment, he made mistakes in his past and part of making those mistakes is that people are not obligated to forgive you.

Some will, some won’t, some don’t care but it’s always going to be there because he did those things.

[Fergos]

I read this in the paper a while ago and I think it says more about human relations than folk putting on shows on the internet:

In the South African summer of 1946, a young military veteran named Jules Browde enrolled as a law student at Wits University in Johannesburg. As he waited for his first seminar to begin, a “very tall, handsome” man walked in. “He was strapping,” Browde recalled decades later — and everyone looked up and clocked him. The most distinctive thing about the young man, though, was neither his height nor his broad shoulders: it was the colour of his skin. Nelson Mandela was the only black student in his class.

Mandela made his way to an empty chair next to Browde’s. The moment he sat down, the student sitting on the other side of him made a great show of getting up and going to sit on the opposite side of the room.

Nobody said a word.

The professor walked in, and the lecture began.

When the class was over, Browde introduced himself to Mandela and the two became lifelong friends. For half a century, neither mentioned what had happened that day. And then, in 1996, exactly 50 years later, by which time Mandela was president of South Africa and among the most feted human beings alive, Browde attended a lunch the president was hosting. At some point, Mandela caught Browde’s eye, called him over, and asked him to convene a reunion of their law class.

“And Jules,” Browde recalled Mandela saying, “do you remember when I came into the class and sat down . . . and the man next to me got up . . . ”

“I do remember.” Browde replied.

“His name was Ballie de Klerk.” “Please see that you invite him to come.”

“Why?” Browde asked.

Because, Mandela said, he wanted to remind De Klerk of what he had done. “I don’t mind whether he says he remembers or he doesn’t remember. Because I want to take his hand and I want to say, ‘I remember. But I forgive you. Now let’s see what we can do together for the good of this country’.”

Superb

[Mcbizz1998]

Of course I do , wtf is wrong with you?

So if you say or laugh at anything that’s perceived as racist, then you are a racist? For life? Hahaha.

What a silly person you are.

[bringbackbenny]

https://www.hibs.net/blob:https://www.hibs.net/8898c074-a36a-4d17-8723-38d9deec8ac2
https://x.com/blocksevenhibs/status/1790432834588401876?s=46&t=U8GaTmHTLzTZTPfLZX3GnQ

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNjlK45XMAEAF_f.jpg
Cringe. Someone needs to tell the teenager running this account that no one cares about your poxy wee group.

Absoulte melts. 50 wee neds led by a 20th century Fagin 😅

[SlickShoes]

You better break that news to the thousands / millions of people who laughed at the aforementioned programmes.

FWIW, I think your view is total bollocks.

It’s not worth much because I don’t really value the views of racists.

[Doh Rae Me]

You don't think Frankie Boyle is racist, do you?

No, I think he is a very funny comedian

[Fergos]

I don't get the double standards things.

As far as I'm aware since being dismissed by Cardiff a decade ago and being investigated MacKay has kept his nose clean. Attended the recommended diversity courses, was praised by anti racism charities for the willingness to engage he showed and was singled out for praise by Herman Ousley, probably one of the most prominent anti racism campaigners in the UK. He has worked without incident in the national set up and at club level since. And not that I think only black people or Asian people should be offended by racism but he doesn't appear to have any issue signing players from such ethnicities and none of them have intimated any of form negative treatment or discrimination in the workplace.

Maybe just maybe like many before him he is a reformed character. A guy who has learned from his mistakes and wants to be better. I could understand if he was campaigning for Britain First and marching with the SDL that there would be double standards at play. Condemning a man indefinitely for who he was 10 years ago seems the action of people who fundamentally don't accept the human ability to change and don't believe in rehabilitation. Fair enough if that's your viewpoint but it seems harsh to me.

Anyway I'm out of this one because no one is going to change their mind. It's an argument in which everyone's colours are nailed to the mast and there is no budging.

Good post 👍

A society without rehabilitation isnt a society at all.

[Rumble de Thump]

For some people, trying to act high and mighty is far more important than someone seeing the errors of their ways and bettering themselves.

[DaveF]

It’s not worth much because I don’t really value the views of racists.

No, you should do it.

Call out all those older fans who laughed at those shows.

After all, it's just you labelling a good percentage of the older Hibs support as racists.

[sleeping giant]

That does make you racist that you laughed at racist jokes, sorry to inform you.

Deary me 😄

[Pretty Boy]

That does make you racist that you laughed at racist jokes, sorry to inform you.

Oh come on.

Times change, standards change. Laughing at a joke in the past doesn't condemn you to be a racist for life.

I can remember in living memory the 'paki shop' or 'having a chinky' being in relatively common usage. Times changed and that is not acceptable now, never really was, and if you continue to use those terms now despite it being a different age then you are quite probably a racist. However I don't believe everyone who ever used those terms was and is a mad, raving racist. Same as everyone who ever laughed at Bernard Manning isn't a racist without the ability to change or learn.

If we don't believe people can change then we'd be as well giving up because we are all condemned.

[blackpoolhibs]

Wonder if Monty was told the club had decided to bring Mackay in to help him and he didn't fancy that set-up? Hence his departure - he seemed relatively confident he was staying put on Sunday.

So was brightside. :greengrin

[I'm Spartacus]

We are building a proper structure for success here.

Are we really? Out of global football, we pick this one man, today of all days.

[DaveF]

Oh come on.

Times change, standards change. Laughing at a joke in the past doesn't condemn you to be a racist for life.

I can remember in living memory the 'paki shop' or 'having a chinky' being in relatively common usage. Times changed and that is not acceptable now, arguably never was, and if you continue to use those terms now despite it being a different age then you are quite probably a racist. However I don't believe everyone who ever used those terms was and is a mad, raving racist. Same as everyone who ever laughed at Bernard Manning isn't a racist without the ability to change or learn.

If we don't believe people can change then we'd be as well giving up because we are all condemned.

Again, well said PB

[SHODAN]

I don't get the double standards things.

As far as I'm aware since being dismissed by Cardiff a decade ago and being investigated MacKay has kept his nose clean. Attended the recommended diversity courses, was praised by anti racism charities for the willingness to engage he showed and was singled out for praise by Herman Ousley, probably one of the most prominent anti racism campaigners in the UK. He has worked without incident in the national set up and at club level since. And not that I think only black people or Asian people should be offended by racism but he doesn't appear to have any issue signing players from such ethnicities and none of them have intimated any of form negative treatment or discrimination in the workplace.

Maybe just maybe like many before him he is a reformed character. A guy who has learned from his mistakes and wants to be better. I could understand if he was campaigning for Britain First and marching with the SDL that there would be double standards at play. Condemning a man indefinitely for who he was 10 years ago seems the action of people who fundamentally don't accept the human ability to change and don't believe in rehabilitation. Fair enough if that's your viewpoint but it seems harsh to me.

Anyway I'm out of this one because no one is going to change their mind. It's an argument in which everyone's colours are nailed to the mast and there is no budging.

It's a fair point that he has evidently shown signs of rehabilitation. It's definitely something to take into account.

I would however argue that it's only people with a high profile in society that are allowed the opportunity to return back to their previous field of employment after something like this.

Would anyone on this forum get our career back if their workplace found out we'd been sending messages of an equivalent nature? Far more likely we'd be sacked on the spot and would be on minimum wage jobs the rest of our life, best case scenario.

[babahibs]

So if you say or laugh at anything that’s perceived as racist, then you are a racist? For life? Hahaha.

What a silly person you are.

It's pretty obvious who the idiot is pal

[JohnM1875]

Are we really? Out of global football, we pick this one man, today of all days.

Think MacKay probably made the club aware there would be backlash and we decided to announce it today to get it out the way.

Probably will have died down by the time he joins on June 1st now so he can get on with his job.

[04Sauzee]

I don't get the double standards things.

As far as I'm aware since being dismissed by Cardiff a decade ago and being investigated MacKay has kept his nose clean. Attended the recommended diversity courses, was praised by anti racism charities for the willingness to engage he showed and was singled out for praise by Herman Ousley, probably one of the most prominent anti racism campaigners in the UK. He has worked without incident in the national set up and at club level since. And not that I think only black people or Asian people should be offended by racism but he doesn't appear to have any issue signing players from such ethnicities and none of them have intimated any of form negative treatment or discrimination in the workplace.

Maybe just maybe like many before him he is a reformed character. A guy who has learned from his mistakes and wants to be better. I could understand if he was campaigning for Britain First and marching with the SDL that there would be double standards at play. Condemning a man indefinitely for who he was 10 years ago seems the action of people who fundamentally don't accept the human ability to change and don't believe in rehabilitation. Fair enough if that's your viewpoint but it seems harsh to me.

Anyway I'm out of this one because no one is going to change their mind. It's an argument in which everyone's colours are nailed to the mast and there is no budging.

First to admit I don't always agree with everything you post, and im sure you wouldn't want me to. I just don't say anything as I find it easier that way. Anyway I think what you posted above was very well put and I agree 👍

[tonyrougier123]

You'll be in real bother now from the righteous brothers.

A drama queen being camp is quite risky in today's climate.

Reminds me of that skit where the chief of police has to keep apologising in Scot’s squad 😂

[Contador]

Oh come on.

Times change, standards change. Laughing at a joke in the past doesn't condemn you to be a racist for life.

I can remember in living memory the 'paki shop' or 'having a chinky' being in relatively common usage. Times changed and that is not acceptable now, arguably never was, and if you continue to use those terms now despite it being a different age then you are quite probably a racist. However I don't believe everyone who ever used those terms was and is a mad, raving racist. Same as everyone who ever laughed at Bernard Manning isn't a racist without the ability to change or learn.

If we don't believe people can change then we'd be as well giving up because we are all condemned.

Put yourself in the shoes of a black or asian hibs player/potential signing and read some of the stuff he has come out with. Disgrace language to refer to other humans with. I’d tell him to swiftly gtf

[ElginHibbie]

For some people, trying to act high and mighty is far more important than someone seeing the errors of their ways and bettering themselves.

Do think those defending Malky would have more success if they just focused on his rehabilitation though

[hibeerealist]

Block 7 couldn’t give a **** about the morals of it all. Group of wannabes.


100% J, anyway what happened to the "let him without sin cast the first stone". ****** whiter than white (hope that's no racist), never done nowt wrong in their lives (no justnB7) now telling us all how to live our lives/behave in all walks of life.

Worse than commies

[Hibernia&Alba]

I don't get the double standards things.

As far as I'm aware since being dismissed by Cardiff a decade ago and being investigated MacKay has kept his nose clean. Attended the recommended diversity courses, was praised by anti racism charities for the willingness to engage he showed and was singled out for praise by Herman Ousley, probably one of the most prominent anti racism campaigners in the UK. He has worked without incident in the national set up and at club level since. And not that I think only black people or Asian people should be offended by racism but he doesn't appear to have any issue signing players from such ethnicities and none of them have intimated any of form negative treatment or discrimination in the workplace.

Maybe just maybe like many before him he is a reformed character. A guy who has learned from his mistakes and wants to be better. I could understand if he was campaigning for Britain First and marching with the SDL that there would be double standards at play. Condemning a man indefinitely for who he was 10 years ago seems the action of people who fundamentally don't accept the human ability to change and don't believe in rehabilitation. Fair enough if that's your viewpoint but it seems harsh to me.

Anyway I'm out of this one because no one is going to change their mind. It's an argument in which everyone's colours are nailed to the mast and there is no budging.

Fair comment, PB. Restorative justice should be the goal wherever possible. Of course, that doesn’t mean we are obliged to employ the guy and pay him a wage, but in recent years he has been given a chance to put his mistakes behind him, and, as far as I know, he has done so. I would have preferred finding someone else for the new role, but, if he is a changed man, so be it. He might well demonstrate that we were worried for nothing.

[greenginger]

The club will get pelters for this and rightly so.


Why ? Who from

Did the SFA get pelters ?

Did Ross County get pelters ?

[NC1875]

A disgraceful appointment. I will not be back at Easter Road until Mackay is away from our club.

“Look at me, look at me”

What a drama queen, along with many others.

Thanks for letting us know 👋🏽

[blackpoolhibs]

Lol, I bet half the folk foaming at the mouth wouldn't want their hard drive checked.

Exactly, i'd be sent to jail and the keys thrown away with the dodgy memes i have on my phone.

Snow whites available for the new managers job, but she's kept some dodgy friends in the past.

[Rumble de Thump]

Do think those defending Malky would have more success if they just focused on his rehabilitation though

I don't know. Why does he need to be attacked?

[WeeRussell]

Oh come on.

Times change, standards change. Laughing at a joke in the past doesn't condemn you to be a racist for life.

I can remember in living memory the 'paki shop' or 'having a chinky' being in relatively common usage. Times changed and that is not acceptable now, never really was, and if you continue to use those terms now despite it being a different age then you are quite probably a racist. However I don't believe everyone who ever used those terms was and is a mad, raving racist. Same as everyone who ever laughed at Bernard Manning isn't a racist without the ability to change or learn.

If we don't believe people can change then we'd be as well giving up because we are all condemned.

Only fools and horses, fawlty towers, porridge. 3 of my all time favourites.

All rife with race-related laughs.

If everyone who ever worked-in or laughed at these shows are lifelong racists, that’s a hell of a lot of people.

In fact almost every single person I’ve ever known or met from this country.

[Mcbizz1998]

It's pretty obvious who the idiot is pal

400 posts in 17 years?

**** off back to JKB, petal. :LOL:

[stoneyburn hibs]

It’s not worth much because I don’t really value the views of racists.

Out of order.

[hibeerealist]

I don't get the double standards things.

As far as I'm aware since being dismissed by Cardiff a decade ago and being investigated MacKay has kept his nose clean. Attended the recommended diversity courses, was praised by anti racism charities for the willingness to engage he showed and was singled out for praise by Herman Ousley, probably one of the most prominent anti racism campaigners in the UK. He has worked without incident in the national set up and at club level since. And not that I think only black people or Asian people should be offended by racism but he doesn't appear to have any issue signing players from such ethnicities and none of them have intimated any of form negative treatment or discrimination in the workplace.

Maybe just maybe like many before him he is a reformed character. A guy who has learned from his mistakes and wants to be better. I could understand if he was campaigning for Britain First and marching with the SDL that there would be double standards at play. Condemning a man indefinitely for who he was 10 years ago seems the action of people who fundamentally don't accept the human ability to change and don't believe in rehabilitation. Fair enough if that's your viewpoint but it seems harsh to me.

Anyway I'm out of this one because no one is going to change their mind. It's an argument in which everyone's colours are nailed to the mast and there is no budging.


Spot on PB, common sense prevails.

[WeeRussell]

Exactly, i'd be sent to jail and the keys thrown away with the dodgy memes i have on my phone.

Snow whites available for the new managers job, but she's kept some dodgy friends in the past.

Dinnae be so dopey.

[tonyrougier123]

It's a fair point that he has evidently shown signs of rehabilitation. It's definitely something to take into account.

I would however argue that it's only people with a high profile in society that are allowed the opportunity to return back to their previous field of employment after something like this.

Would anyone on this forum get our career back if their workplace found out we'd been sending messages of an equivalent nature? Far more likely we'd be sacked on the spot and would be on minimum wage jobs the rest of our life, best case scenario.

Boris was prime minister after all the guff he said (and meant) so potentially you could still be prime minster and lead the country.

[BoomtownHibees]

Heard he’s keen on getting Robinson in as manager





Tommy

[Baader]

Some draw the line at appointing Mackay but would probably not mind us being Arab state owned...

[Itsnoteasy]

Heard he’s keen on getting Robinson in as manager





Tommy

🤣

[sleeping giant]

Heard he’s keen on getting Robinson in as manager





Tommy

😄

[wookie70]

Manager wise maybe not great at Ross C but he's not here as manager but as sporting director, a different job altogether.

As for all the folk not wanting him due to past indiscretions, let's hope they are themselves whiter than white, or they're the biggest bunch of hypocrites going.

I like the fact Martindale has built a life after his past. If McKay has truly learned his lesson then that is good because a reformed racist is one less racist. The past is always there though and needs considered. If he is an exceptional candidate and head and shoulders above anyone else then the past will be considered in terms of reputational and commercial damage to the club against the talent he is bringing. I'm just struggling to see much or any evidence of his talent in this particular role over over any length of time as a manager that might indicate he is a great leader and has a long term strategy. If he had no past I would be asking the same but as he does have that past he needs to be better than other appointments. His past should not exclude him being considered but it does have to be a consideration. For all Block 7s statement is a nonsense the time a week or two after Hibs calling out racism so strongly just opens the club up to ridicule. Hope he ends up showing he is reformed and has the skills required to succeed. If he does then Kensell must be a visionary in terms of football appointments as this is about the strangest one so far.

[marinello59]

Put yourself in the shoes of a black or asian hibs player/potential signing and read some of the stuff he has come out with. Disgrace language to refer to other humans with. I’d tell him to swiftly gtf

It was disgraceful and the man himself agreed and apologised. More importantly he took action and undertook diversity training to deal with the flaws he recognised in himself,, action which saw him praised by anti racism charities.
Like probably everyone else here I abhor racism and bigotry. People can and do change though and when they do they deserve a second chance. He got his one several jobs ago and the evidence suggests that for him it really was a case of lessons learned.

[Bostonhibby]

Heard he’s keen on getting Robinson in as manager





TommyLennon?

Yaxley-Lennon.

Sent from my SM-A750FN using Tapatalk

[GreenCastle]

The timing of this is all a bit odd.

Review announcement..
MM spotted at games / posters saying he’s coming in..
Monty goes..
They then announce MM not long after…

Assume they were thinking MM being announced would take away from Monty being sacked ?

[Mcbizz1998]

Wonder if McKay will fancy Simon Murray?

[ElginHibbie]

I don't know. Why does he need to be attacked?

He doesn't need to be attacked, but when responding to those attacking him I just think pointing out what he has done to better himself would be a lot more effective than responding with "Bet you wouldn't want your hard drive checked"

[Lago]

A good appointment to be honest.
An excellent appointment

[MKHIBEE]

Most likely doesn't have a season ticket anyway
Sorry to disappoint you but I pay for 2.

[Pretty Boy]

Put yourself in the shoes of a black or asian hibs player/potential signing and read some of the stuff he has come out with. Disgrace language to refer to other humans with. I’d tell him to swiftly gtf

Nohan Kenneh didn't seem to have any issue going to play for him. Or also at County Regan Charles Cook, Dominic Samuel, Joseph Hungbo, Victor Loturi and, perhaps topically, Yan Dhanda among others.

And why are black and Asian players being singled out as the opinions that matter? This seems almost the mirror image of when someone makes the ill-advised decision to attend a fancy dress night in blackface and someone says 'well the black guy found it funny so it's ok'. Racism is an endemic issue that impacts all of society, maybe Rocky is fine with it but David Marshall isn't, both their opinions are equally valid.

[tonyrougier123]

Wonder if McKay will fancy Simon Murray?

Hope so,absolutely be welcome back from me. Hard grafting strong player,be a good start.

[CyberSauzee]

For context here's MacKay's apology and a bit of background. Three messages out of 10,000, so I suspect the image of the 6 messages doing the rounds contains stuff that wasn't texted.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/22/malky-mackay-cardiff-city-iain-moody-text-messages-fa

[Lago]

I wouldn’t want him anywhere near the club. However, only on a football basis, I still wouldn’t want him anywhere near the club. He’s guff.
There you go something new to moan about, repeatedly :rolleyes:

[babahibs]

400 posts in 17 years?

**** off back to JKB, petal. :LOL:

Aye ok.
Proving who the idiot is again I see, if I add a stupid emoji does it make me a hibby, twat?

I joined 17 years ago but never posted once, just liked to read, started posting about 1 year ago so it's 400 odd in 1 year, I actually introduced myself about a year ago to say so.
There's also posters here who know me.

[Pretty Boy]

Wonder if McKay will fancy Simon Murray?

No chance.

I'm happy to accept all races and racists but I draw the line at gingers.

















(My son is ginger btw before anyone gets upset).

[Paulie Walnuts]

There you go something new to moan about, repeatedly :rolleyes:

Cool story Lago.

[Mon Dieu4]

I could blow some people's minds with things my non white or gay pals have called me over the years, clearly my pals are staunch racists and homophobes

[Lago]

I may not be entitled to one, if not I will accept that. What I won’t do is spend another penny on Hibs till he is gone.
Bye, bye 👋

[J-C]

There you go something new to moan about, repeatedly :rolleyes:

Never happy unless he has something to moan about.

[pollution]

Meanwhile in Partick.........

[Paulie Walnuts]

Never happy unless he has something to moan about.

The irony of you posting this is off the scale. :faf:

Care to tell me why this is a positive appointment? On the face of it he doesn’t appear to have any obvious achievements to make him someone to be excited about?

[McGruber]

Think MacKay will be a good appointment for us.

Would never condone the texts sent but trust that he has put the time and effort into changing his views and behaviours and is a reformed character.

[Lago]

Sorry to disappoint you but I pay for 2.
Not if your demanding a refund

[Lago]

Cool story Lago.
Glad to help

[Mcbizz1998]

Aye ok.
Proving who the idiot is again I see, if I add a stupid emoji does it make me a hibby, twat?

I joined 17 years ago but never posted once, just liked to read, started posting about 1 year ago so it's 400 odd in 1 year, I actually introduced myself about a year ago to say so.
There's also posters here who know me.

Maybe another 16 years of silence is required. Or just until Malky leaves the club?!

[Alfred E Newman]

He does need to be attacked, but when responding to those attacking him I just think pointing out what he has done to better himself would be a lot more effective than responding with "Bet you wouldn't want your hard drive checked"

Does he have to be attacked for the rest of his life though? When is enough enough?
Good grief, there are people that have served time for murder and been released since he made his comments.

[RMQ1967]

Sounds like something a racist would say to make themselves feel better

Or anyone that has a grasp of the difference between deep-seated prejudice against someone who looks or thinks differently and someone having a joke.

Do you also take everything comedians say at face value?

[Victor]

Hope Block Seven decide to boycott Hibs and never return. :bye:

We can all [emoji120]

[GreenPJ]

Put yourself in the shoes of a black or asian hibs player/potential signing and read some of the stuff he has come out with. Disgrace language to refer to other humans with. I’d tell him to swiftly gtf

Am pretty sure he worked with players of colour when at Ross County and they didn't seem to hold it against him.

[hibsbollah]

Well, I dont expect everyone to agree with me, and i respect most political beliefs, but this is about the worst appointment i can imagine and im giving serious consideration to whether i can continue to support the club when that man is representing Hibs. Im beyond gutted.

[ElginHibbie]

Does he have to be attacked for the rest of his life though? When is enough enough?
Good grief, there are people that have served time for murder and been released since he made his comments.

I meant doesn't! Edited now cause I am an idiot

[babahibs]

Well, I dont expect everyone to agree with me, and i respect most political beliefs, but this is about the worst appointment i can imagine and im giving serious consideration to whether i can continue to support the club when that man is representing Hibs. Im beyond gutted.

This.
I'm guessing everyone here praising this appointment is white, male, straight?
Put yourself in the shoes of fans who are not that demographic.

[Victor]

Heard he’s keen on getting Robinson in as manager





Tommy

You could be onto something there. I believe his real name is Lennon.

[SlickShoes]

Or anyone that has a grasp of the difference between deep-seated prejudice against someone who looks or thinks differently and someone having a joke.

Do you also take everything comedians say at face value?

Is DaveF a comedian?

He mentioned laughing at racist gifs and jokes on WhatsApp, he doesn’t think it’s racist to do that, but it is.

It’s not enjoyable to learn you are racist, you can either take it on board and try to change or you can keep trying to change the subject and turn it around into nebulous comedian stuff or old tv shows to make yourself feel better.

[SHODAN]

Boris was prime minister after all the guff he said (and meant) so potentially you could still be prime minster and lead the country.

Johnson was born into a ruling class family and went to Eton, that's my point. People in positions of privilege can do whatever they want.

And you know what? The drink driving thing is a fair comment too. Footballers get away with so much compared to the rest of us purely because they're high profile figures. Maybe we should try and change that?

[Tyler Durden]

The irony of you posting this is off the scale. :faf:

Care to tell me why this is a positive appointment? On the face of it he doesn’t appear to have any obvious achievements to make him someone to be excited about?

To be fair his role with the SFA is pretty tough to measure in the immediate aftermath. AFAIA, he put a framework and strategy in place for the performance schools. So he has experience of developing and delivering a strategy over multiple years.

He has expert knowledge on the academy system and the database of talent across the country. He has a strong relationship with the FA. He has contacts in Scotland and England.

He ticks quite a few boxes.

[Victor]

This.
I'm guessing everyone here praising this appointment is white, male, straight?
Put yourself in the shoes of fans who are not that demographic.

Jeez. That’s a massive inaccurate assumption.

[Liberal Hibby]

Well, I dont expect everyone to agree with me, and i respect most political beliefs, but this is about the worst appointment i can imagine and im giving serious consideration to whether i can continue to support the club when that man is representing Hibs. Im beyond gutted.

I have a lot of sympathy with you. I read the article linked above and it doesn't really help. People have said he's had anti racism training subsequently but that isn't necessarily an indication of reform. People's values (like their football team) don't really change and stuff said in private is always more indicative of people's beliefs than public utterances.

It's going to be a tough job to like the 'new' Hibs.

[hibee-boys]

Well, I dont expect everyone to agree with me, and i respect most political beliefs, but this is about the worst appointment i can imagine and im giving serious consideration to whether i can continue to support the club when that man is representing Hibs. Im beyond gutted.

“Worst appointment you can imagine”🙄 They found 3 offensive texts out of 6000…..give me a break.

[DaveF]

Well, I dont expect everyone to agree with me, and i respect most political beliefs, but this is about the worst appointment i can imagine and im giving serious consideration to whether i can continue to support the club when that man is representing Hibs. Im beyond gutted.

I've always respected your views and so I'm genuinely keen to hear why it's this, and not Newell or Lennon and their past which has tipped you (potentially) over the edge.

Is it simply a case that any form of racist 'banter' however long ago and no matter the rehab, is way worse than threatening women or drink driving?

[babahibs]

Jeez. That’s a massive inaccurate assumption.

Noted, I should've said most, not everyone.
An assumption I know, but not massively inaccurate

[tonyrougier123]

Well, I dont expect everyone to agree with me, and i respect most political beliefs, but this is about the worst appointment i can imagine and im giving serious consideration to whether i can continue to support the club when that man is representing Hibs. Im beyond gutted.

You’re lucky I’m no admin then cause I’d ban your username as associating hibs with a terrorist group that kill and dismember people with strict prejudice.

[SHODAN]

Would anyone's opinion on the appointment of MacKay change if he had also sent anti-Catholic sectarian messages in addition to the homophobic, racist and sexist ones?

What if he was a known Rangers fan and had taken part in orange walks?

[brianmc]

20 years ago, most things got less reaction on the internet tbf.

14 years ago thousands of Hibs fans revelled in singing about Rudi Skacel being a refugee and Larry Kingston being a looky looky man......

Weirdly going by recent comments NONE of them post on this site.

Times change, people change - yet most football fans remain complete hypocrites

[B.H.F.C]

I have a lot of sympathy with you. I read the article linked above and it doesn't really help. People have said he's had anti racism training subsequently but that isn't necessarily an indication of reform. People's values (like their football team) don't really change and stuff said in private is always more indicative of people's beliefs than public utterances.

It's going to be a tough job to like the 'new' Hibs.

Folk will like Hibs if we’re winning. Even some of the more perfect folk out there will then forget about previous poor behaviour (which was a long time ago).

[DaveF]

Is DaveF a comedian?

He mentioned laughing at racist gifs and jokes on WhatsApp, he doesn’t think it’s racist to do that, but it is.

It’s not enjoyable to learn you are racist, you can either take it on board and try to change or you can keep trying to change the subject and turn it around into nebulous comedian stuff or old tv shows to make yourself feel better.

Jeez, you are tiresome. Not only are you labelling me a racist but a board Admin and countless others.

Jog on my friend. I shall now give you and your views a miss.

[Broken Gnome]

This.
I'm guessing everyone here praising this appointment is white, male, straight?
Put yourself in the shoes of fans who are not that demographic.

I appreciate that, but if we're on the crest of the wave, the guy in the dugout is a universally popular credit to the club and we muster a squad similar in popularity to 2016, I can't honesty claim I'd be harbouring a huge grudge to the person sitting in the expensive seats upstairs. I'd like to that that's a fair point of view too.

I'd also put a reputational value in what the squad say - this photo suggests non-white players were quite happy to share the vast majority of their employment with him.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYR1ZzHX0AATPcx?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[AugustaHibs]

You’re lucky I’m no admin then cause I’d ban your username as associating hibs with a terrorist group that kill and dismember people with strict prejudice.

I’ve never noticed that.

WTF?

[SlickShoes]

Jeez, you are tiresome. Not only are you labelling me a racist but a board Admin and countless others.

Jog on my friend. I shall now give you and your views a miss.

Sending racist memes and gifs is racist, laughing at racist memes and gifs is racist.

[Lago]

14 years ago thousands of Hibs fans revelled in singing about Rudi Skacel being a refugee and Larry Kingston being a looky looky man......

Weirdly going by recent comments NONE of them post on this site.

Times change, people change - yet most football fans remain complete hypocrites
And how we laughed, we thought it was so funny :greengrin

[babahibs]

I appreciate that, but if we're on the crest of the wave, the guy in the dugout is a universally popular credit to the club and we muster a squad similar in popularity to 2016, I can't honesty claim I'd be harbouring a huge grudge to the person sitting in the expensive seats upstairs. I'd like to that that's a fair point of view too.

I'd also put a reputational value in what the squad say - this photo suggests non-white players were quite happy to share the vast majority of their employment with him.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYR1ZzHX0AATPcx?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYR1ZzHX0AATPcx?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

C'mon, that's just a squad photo

[Northernhibee]

I was pretty disgusted with his texts that were leaked, but everyone does deserve a chance to put things right and he’s done a lot to try to understand why his behaviour was wrong and to try to better himself.

Still a little uneasy but as long as his behaviour continues to be good going forward he deserves a second chance IMHO.

[MKHIBEE]

Not if your demanding a refund
Another one who has got it wrong

[babahibs]

Sending racist memes and gifs is racist, laughing at racist memes and gifs is racist.

Correct

[Mcbizz1998]

You’re lucky I’m no admin then cause I’d ban your username as associating hibs with a terrorist group that kill and dismember people with strict prejudice.

:agree:

[babahibs]

14 years ago thousands of Hibs fans revelled in singing about Rudi Skacel being a refugee and Larry Kingston being a looky looky man......

Weirdly going by recent comments NONE of them post on this site.

Times change, people change - yet most football fans remain complete hypocrites

I'm going to take a wild guess at this.......

It's maybe a bit more obvious than you think, the posters here who maybe sang these songs and the posters here who didn't

[DaveF]

Sending racist memes and gifs is racist, laughing at racist memes and gifs is racist.

You make it sound as if I sit on WhatsApp sending Chubby Brown jokes out 24/7 - but then you would do because it suits your silly point of view.

There is absolutely no point in debating with people like you because there is no context to anything.

Believe what you like, I care not.

[Paulie Walnuts]

To be fair his role with the SFA is pretty tough to measure in the immediate aftermath. AFAIA, he put a framework and strategy in place for the performance schools. So he has experience of developing and delivering a strategy over multiple years.

He has expert knowledge on the academy system and the database of talent across the country. He has a strong relationship with the FA. He has contacts in Scotland and England.

He ticks quite a few boxes.

Was that not his predecessor that done that? His name escapes me, but his surname began with a W, may have been German or Dutch?

[ChuckNor]

I really can’t understand the meltdown over this. The man has more than served penance for racism. David Martindale was jailed for drug dealing, inflicting misery and addiction on many. He is accepted as a reformed character by all. Why can’t Mackay?

For me this meltdown is completely performative from people who are probably in WhatsApp groups sharing dodgy jokes and memes with their friends.

[CB Hibs 68]

Holy ****.Not trawlled through 17 pages but this appointment has divided the fans at exactly the time we need to be together.My view for what its worth is that he has apologised for his previous unacceptable comments.He has worked with the SFA people can learn from there mistakes and move on positivity.For me it is whether he can sort out the omni shambles that is Hibs recruitment .Time will tell.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I really can’t understand the meltdown over this. The man has more than served penance for racism. David Martindale was jailed for drug dealing, inflicting misery and addiction on many. He is accepted as a reformed character by all. Why can’t Mackay?

For me this meltdown is completely performative from people who are probably in WhatsApp groups sharing dodgy jokes and memes with their friends.

David Martindale draws a very similar reaction when he’s discussed, he most definitely isn’t accepted as a reformed character by all.

[babahibs]

I really can’t understand the meltdown over this. The man has more than served penance for racism. David Martindale was jailed for drug dealing, inflicting misery and addiction on many. He is accepted as a reformed character by all. Why can’t Mackay?

For me this meltdown is completely performative from people who are probably in WhatsApp groups sharing dodgy jokes and memes with their friends.

Na, no chance