Newell

[Stuart93]

Constantly gets away with it.

Yet another game that passed him by when the going got tough. Totally anonymous.

A constant in a midfield that gets over run and puts in as little effort as possible.

Need a complete overhaul in there

[CL0762]

Aye but he got an assist and also made 2/3 blocks.

He’s dire. Absolutely dire.

[Steve20]

He’s always been garbage. A fee passes that find a Hibs player and the forums think he’s Xavi.

He is barely seen in most games. An impostor.

[Hibs4185]

Newell epitomises everything which is wrong Hibs for the last 2-3 years.

Nisbet and Magennis back will help cover over the cracks but we need 2 new midfielders

[Donegal Hibby]

Midfield is a massive problem Henderson , Newell , JDH , Campbell don't work together and are all got 3 years left!

[CapitalGreen]

Midfield is a massive problem Henderson , Newell , JDH , Campbell don't work together and are all got 3 years left!

It’s nothing to do with them working together. They are all just not good enough. None of them would get in Aberdeen or Hearts midfield.

[Unseen work]

As a joe Newell fan that was a worrying display for me.

Take ability out of it, he never looked interested.

Worst I’ve seen him

[Pretty Boy]

2nd half was typical Newell. When the chips are down he's nowhere to be seen.

When we are bossing a game then he looks the part (and admittedly he can often be one of the reasons we are on top). However when sleeves need rolled up and effort is worth more than ability then he'd be as well going and claiming the first of the hot water in the showers more often than not.

[The Modfather]

He’s not alone in it tonight, but another game where he disappeared for 45 minutes when the going got tough.

One paced, meek, passive. He’s possibly not the first place to start in the midfield, but he’s certainly not the answer IMO.

[Smartie]

Even when we were playing well as a team in the first half I didn't think he was playing well, what we achieved seemed to be in spite of him rather than thanks to him (even allowing for his decent assist).

The second half was an all too familiar performance from him.


He's the sort of player you really need to stand up and be counted at places like Ibrox and he just didn't.

[Boyle89]

Always the same story with newell. Only plays well when the game is going in our favour, which is harldy ever. He has the ability to be a good spfl midfielder but never seems to bother to show it.

[CapitalGreen]

Even when we were playing well as a team in the first half I didn't think he was playing well, what we achieved seemed to be in spite of him rather than thanks to him (even allowing for his decent assist).

The second half was an all too familiar performance from him.


He's the sort of player you really need to stand up and be counted at places like Ibrox and he just didn't.

Our good play in the first half came from players getting the ball forward quickly and either getting our attackers in behind and/or forcing Rangers players into mistakes. That is the complete antithesis of the way Newell plays.

[h1bs4life]

Newell epitomises everything which is wrong Hibs for the last 2-3 years.

Nisbet and Magennis back will help cover over the cracks but we need 2 new midfielders

That’s where I am with Newell how he has got two new contracts in the last couple of years is baffling

[BILLYHIBS]

Second half was typical Newell

Two poor free kicks followed by a corner that never cleared the first man then a total disappearing act

Anytime he had possession he gave it back to the Hun

Terrible player

[truehibernian]

Even when we were playing well as a team in the first half I didn't think he was playing well, what we achieved seemed to be in spite of him rather than thanks to him (even allowing for his decent assist).

The second half was an all too familiar performance from him.


He's the sort of player you really need to stand up and be counted at places like Ibrox and he just didn't.

He doesn't do that at any ground Smartie, that's the problem. He has no real influence on a game, no inclination to really take a game to the opposition. Too languid, too slow, too ineffectual, and too easily over run. Games literally pass him by far more often than not. And there's no experienced player beside him to give him a metaphorical kick up the backside getting in his face making demands of him.

[Donegal Hibby]

It’s nothing to do with them working together. They are all just not good enough. None of them would get in Aberdeen or Hearts midfield.
I don't think they are good enough either but I have seen midfield players that have been poor players but complement one other thru there different style of play sadly I don't even see that with this midfield.

[CapitalGreen]

I don't think they are good enough either but I have seen midfield players that have been poor players but complement one other thru there different style of play sadly I don't even see that with this midfield.

Agreed. Of the players you mentioned, Newell seems to be undroppable in the eyes of the manager though.

[NC1875]

Imposter

[Cod Boy]

I think a lot of players never turned up second half not just Newell.

[heretoday]

He's overrated.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Not good enough.

[Stuart93]

He's overrated.

Agreed, I’ve been a fan of Joe but there’s been far too many performances like last nights.

[Iain G]

Constantly gets away with it.

Yet another game that passed him by when the going got tough. Totally anonymous.

A constant in a midfield that gets over run and puts in as little effort as possible.

Need a complete overhaul in there

Not another Newell Post! Haven't we had enough treads about this? Just leads to more criticism of them upstairs...

[Scottie]

I've noticed he's becoming like Liam Craig. Good at pointing out things but doing f all about it.

[the_ginger_hibee]

Hide and Seek champion. Undisputed.

[WestStandWillie]

For every 1 good game he has, he has 3 bad ones.

Midfield doesn't get better until he's gone.

[BILLYHIBS]

Noticed that the Newell WAG’s are quiet today

[J-C]

Noticed that the Newell WAG’s are quiet today

They'll be on soon enough quoting stats a plenty to justify him. He’s been an every present in the last 4 managers squads, 3 sackings and another one heading that way, he's been an ever present in one of the worst midfield I've seen in years.

[B.H.F.C]

Until we replace him in the middle of the park, we’ll continue to struggle. Sadly, we’ll be having the same discussion next month, and the month after that and so on.

[BoomtownHibees]

They'll be on soon enough quoting stats a plenty to justify him. He’s been an every present in the last 4 managers squads, 3 sackings and another one heading that way, he's been an ever present in one of the worst midfield I've seen in years.

Yeah even though the stats show we get better results when he doesn’t play

No doubt that point will get challenged to make sure the stats include every single variable and it’s a like for like comparison in minutes played etc

[JohnM1875]

I was firmly in the Newell camp but even I'm sick of him now.

Far too many games where he just doesn't produce the goods. It's almost as if he doesn't fully believe in his own ability at times. Plays too many simple safe passes when he's shown plenty times he's capable of much more. Annoys the life out of me.

[Carheenlea]

He’s OK. But because he’s the best (seemingly) we have for one of the most important positions it’s no wonder we struggle to really take a grip of games from the midfield.

We should have a list of possible players for every position on the park that would be an improvement on what we have and realistically within what we could afford, and try and make those addition at each window prioritising what are the weakest areas first, bring in a better quality option, then look at the next weakest position and continue to build. Making rafts of signings of young hopefuls, players no better and at times worse than what we had and players of similar style is getting us nowhere.

[Iain G]

Yeah even though the stats show we get better results when he doesn’t play

No doubt that point will get challenged to make sure the stats include every single variable and it’s a like for like comparison in minutes played etc

The stats are nonsense and don't take it to account many more factors! See other Newell thread...

[The Modfather]

The stats are nonsense and don't take it to account many more factors! See other Newell thread...

How come the stats are nonsense or don’t give us any meaningful insight because there’s too many variables to factor in. Yet I’ve never seen those same points made the numerous times over the last few seasons that show Newell in a positive light e.g tackles, interceptions, key passes etc.

[Iain G]

How come the stats are nonsense or don’t give us any meaningful insight because there’s too many variables to factor in. Yet I’ve never seen those same points made the numerous times over the last few seasons that show Newell in a positive light e.g tackles, interceptions, key passes etc.

Because they are very specifically linked to what Newell has done in games.

These other stats are attempting to measure an absence of something, but what else or whoelse were missing in the games Joe didn't play? Can't just say he is the only factor in those games if there are other variables.

[The Modfather]

Because they are very specifically linked to what Newell has done in games.

These other stats are attempting to measure an absence of something, but what else or whoelse were missing in the games Joe didn't play? Can't just say he is the only factor in those games if there are other variables.

Fair enough, although I don’t agree. No stats are definitive, I think the stats that with Newell v without give some good insight into how the same Hibs squads cope with and without him. Without definitively proving we are better without him than with him.

In the same way the stats will be impacted by factors like how many times players have played against 10 men etc etc. Or the actual impact of those stats on the result of games, with Pretty Boy giving an example he was told of a player playing within himself to specifically focus on his stats with a view to helping him get a move.

[Paulie Walnuts]

How come the stats are nonsense or don’t give us any meaningful insight because there’s too many variables to factor in. Yet I’ve never seen those same points made the numerous times over the last few seasons that show Newell in a positive light e.g tackles, interceptions, key passes etc.

If variables render stats meaningless then every single stat in football is meaningless all the way down to the team that wins the league being the best team.

If Joe Newell is great at interceptions, maybe it’s because we’ve played against teams who have had to replace their best midfielder with a squad player due to injury? Maybe the pitch was dry? Maybe it was windy making it harder to judge passes? Maybe the midfielder whos passes Newell was intercepting had on new boots?

In reality the Joe Newell stat tells a very significant story. We’re a much better team without him in it. You don’t have such a huge difference in results with and without him in the team over a 120 odd game period with a reasonable amount of games on both sides of the played/not played side of things and it be a coincidence.

[Iain G]

If variables render stats meaningless then every single stat in football is meaningless all the way down to the team that wins the league being the best team.

If Joe Newell is great at interceptions, maybe it’s because we’ve played against teams who have had to replace their best midfielder with a squad player due to injury? Maybe the pitch was dry? Maybe it was windy making it harder to judge passes? Maybe the midfielder whos passes Newell was intercepting had on new boots?

In reality the Joe Newell stat tells a very significant story. We’re a much better team without him in it. You don’t have such a huge difference in results with and without him in the team over a 120 odd game period with a reasonable amount of games on both sides of the played/not played side of things and it be a coincidence.

Of course we know you don't believe in coincidence, or bad luck and someone must always be blamed.

[CapitalGreen]

If variables render stats meaningless then every single stat in football is meaningless all the way down to the team that wins the league being the best team.

If Joe Newell is great at interceptions, maybe it’s because we’ve played against teams who have had to replace their best midfielder with a squad player due to injury? Maybe the pitch was dry? Maybe it was windy making it harder to judge passes? Maybe the midfielder whos passes Newell was intercepting had on new boots?

In reality the Joe Newell stat tells a very significant story. We’re a much better team without him in it. You don’t have such a huge difference in results with and without him in the team over a 120 odd game period with a reasonable amount of games on both sides of the played/not played side of things and it be a coincidence.

It was myself who posted the original stats. I wouldn’t argue that we are much better without him but I would suggest we don’t miss him when he doesn’t play. For someone who is our most experienced and probably highest earning central midfielder, that isn’t sustainable.

[BoomtownHibees]

The stats are nonsense and don't take it to account many more factors! See other Newell thread...

How do you suggest we judge our results when he plays versus when he doesn’t? Or it a meaningless way of looking at things?

I could just use my own eyes and say I don’t think he’s good enough but then I suppose I will be asked for stats to back that up

[Iain G]

How do you suggest we judge our results when he plays versus when he doesn’t? Or it a meaningless way of looking at things?

I could just use my own eyes and say I don’t think he’s good enough but then I suppose I will be asked for stats to back that up

Maybe we could rate him on how nice his hair look in a game? All am saying is stats are great and all but don't give a definitive answer! But could we look at if the midfielder who replaced Newell got more or less passes or interventions or whatever than Joe's average etc, maybe make a direct comparison?

[Donegal Hibby]

I've said a few times that of , Newell , JDH , Campbell and Henderson . We need to get rid of two though I wouldn't be unhappy to see 3 go maybe keeping Campbell. Newell is one in particular that I've ran out of patience with , absolutely awful last night even when he's good he slows the game down to much for my liking and thinks he's a set piece specialist in all :rolleyes:

[Paulie Walnuts]

Of course we know you don't believe in coincidence, or bad luck and someone must always be blamed.

The fact you don’t have an answer tells it’s own story.

You’ve told us a certain set of stats are meaningless due to variables and then suggested we could compare Joe Newell statistically to other midfielders where there will of course be variables and suggested that’s a ‘direct comparison.’ There’s nothing more direct than Joe Newell/No Joe Newell.

You’re all over the shop.

[Shrekko]

Noticed that the Newell WAG’s are quiet today

I'm guessing because they're accepting that this tired, predictable rubbish after every defeat will always happen and there's no point arguing with people who will always say the same thing.. and can't wait to.

We've heard these "1 good game, then 3/4/5/ bad games" lines so many times that there's no point wasting energy disputing the utter nonsense that it is any more.

[BoomtownHibees]

Maybe we could rate him on how nice his hair look in a game? All am saying is stats are great and all but don't give a definitive answer! But could we look at if the midfielder who replaced Newell got more or less passes or interventions or whatever than Joe's average etc, maybe make a direct comparison?

But this comparison would also have multiple variables such as opposition , who else was in the team in those games etc.

Folk can use stats to suit whatever argument they want to have however for me the best would be JN playing versus JN not playing. Is it 100% scientific? No of course it isn’t. Is it a decent way of judging a players contribution? Yes, in my view anyway

[BoomtownHibees]

I'm guessing because they're accepting that this tired, predictable rubbish after every defeat will always happen and there's no point arguing with people who will always say the same thing.. and can't wait to.

We've heard these "1 good game, then 3/4/5/ bad games" lines so many times that there's no point wasting energy disputing the utter nonsense that it is any more.

Maybe there’s a reason for that. What do you think the reason is? That folk just don’t like him?

[Jones28]

Maybe there’s a reason for that. What do you think the reason is? That folk just don’t like him?

There’s a collective of people that haven’t liked him since he made his debut at Stirling and was hopeless. However a lot of people, myself included, are coming to the conclusion that when he turns up he’s good, when he doesn’t he is entirely anonymous at best.

[BoomtownHibees]

There’s a collective of people that haven’t liked him since he made his debut at Stirling and was hopeless. However a lot of people, myself included, are coming to the conclusion that when he turns up he’s good, when he doesn’t he is entirely anonymous at best.

I reckon most, not all, just judge him on what they see but maybe I’m just naive to what goes on in folks heads

[Paulie Walnuts]

I reckon most, not all, just judge him on what they see but maybe I’m just naive to what goes on in folks heads

:agree:

There’s not some sinister anti Joe Newell plot. People simply don’t think he’s good enough.

[GreenPJ]

:agree:

There’s not some sinister anti Joe Newell plot. People simply don’t think he’s good enough.

He is good enough, think the question is is he consistent enough. We have midfielders who genuinely aren't good enough.

[BoomtownHibees]

He is good enough, think the question is is he consistent enough. We have midfielders who genuinely aren't good enough.

Can you be classed as a good player if you are bad more often than good?

[Paulie Walnuts]

He is good enough, think the question is is he consistent enough. We have midfielders who genuinely aren't good enough.

I think being consistent is part of being good enough though.

We’ve plenty players who on a good day are good enough. Arguably every player in our squad near enough could show us a performance and say theyre good enough. If that day comes round a handful of times a season then it’s not enough.

[jeffers]

It was myself who posted the original stats. I wouldn’t argue that we are much better without him but I would suggest we don’t miss him when he doesn’t play. For someone who is our most experienced and probably highest earning central midfielder, that isn’t sustainable.

Your post sums it up for me. When some players aren’t playing I’ve thought we could do with them in this game. I’ve never watched a game Newell wasn’t playing in and thought we missed him.

[MWHIBBIES]

Noticed that the Newell WAG’s are quiet today

Can I just confirm, you are actually calling out those who defend and support our players, as if that is the wrong thing to be doing?

[blackpoolhibs]

Your post sums it up for me. When some players aren’t playing I’ve thought we could do with them in this game. I’ve never watched a game Newell wasn’t playing in and thought we missed him.

Spot on Jeffers, the guy is an imposter. His stats will always be decent because he hardly ever takes a risk, he rarely drags the team forward.

He does pass the ball well to other midfielders or defenders, but dont ask our most skilfull midfielder to influece the game in a positive way, as that involves taking a risk.

The guy has always been a show pony, and season after season we are seeing the same passive pish from him.

[Jones28]

:agree:

There’s not some sinister anti Joe Newell plot. People simply don’t think he’s good enough.

It’s not a plot. There are people that have never felt Newall was good enough. Simple as that.

[CapitalGreen]

It’s not a plot. There are people that have never felt Newall was good enough. Simple as that.

I’m not one of them but maybe they were right.

[Pretty Boy]

Tbf to Newell if he was to go he would leave a huge gap in the modelling goods for sale in the clubstore position.

[Jones28]

I’m not one of them but maybe they were right.

Im not sure they were totally right in that he’s not good enough, he just isnt consistent enough. If he put in his god performances week in week out he’d be a great player.

[truehibernian]

Tbf to Newell if he was to go he would leave a huge gap in the modelling goods for sale in the clubstore position.

My issue isn’t his ability it’s his application and desire. He’s not got an experienced player next to him pushing him, on the contrary, he has inexperienced midfielders allowing him to drift and take easy options. If he had a player of the Scott Brown mould next to him driving him on, he may prove effective. But he’s not - he simply doesn’t have the built in innate desire to drive the team forward, whether winning or losing. He doesn’t impact any game I’ve seen, in particular the bigger games.

We simply wouldn’t miss him, it’s that simple. He’s neither a defensive player or a creative player - he’s bland. There’s no vendetta, simply, he’s offering this side very very little in a crucial area of the pitch.

[CapitalGreen]

Im not sure they were totally right in that he’s not good enough, he just isnt consistent enough. If he put in his god performances week in week out he’d be a great player.

He’s not good enough for how I want Hibs to play and what I want us to achieve, which I accept is an entirely subjective opinion. Some people’s standards are lower so are happy to see player like him play every week regardless of their performances.

[jeffers]

Im not sure they were totally right in that he’s not good enough, he just isnt consistent enough. If he put in his god performances week in week out he’d be a great player.

C’mon. I know he has great hair, but he’s no god.

:wink:

[Allant1981]

Newell is a good player, just very inconsistent, the problem we have is there is no one else good enough that can come in when newell isn't playing well.

[CapitalGreen]

Newell is a good player, just very inconsistent, the problem we have is there is no one else good enough that can come in when newell isn't playing well.

That’s an oxymoron for me, you can’t be considered a good player in my opinion unless you are consistent.

[B.H.F.C]

Newell is a good player, just very inconsistent, the problem we have is there is no one else good enough that can come in when newell isn't playing well.

When Newell isn’t available results are shown to improve though.

The problem is he is guaranteed to start when fit and available. It absolutely baffles me why he is guaranteed to play every minute when the middle of the park is a constant issue and he is the biggest constant.

With Magennis back, I’d be playing him in there instead of Newell rather than sticking him out on the right like last night. It won’t happen though. We’ll plod on with Joe doing the same things week in, week out.

[Fergos]

My issue isn’t his ability it’s his application and desire. He’s not got an experienced player next to him pushing him, on the contrary, he has inexperienced midfielders allowing him to drift and take easy options. If he had a player of the Scott Brown mould next to him driving him on, he may prove effective. But he’s not - he simply doesn’t have the built in innate desire to drive the team forward, whether winning or losing. He doesn’t impact any game I’ve seen, in particular the bigger games.

We simply wouldn’t miss him, it’s that simple. He’s neither a defensive player or a creative player - he’s bland. There’s no vendetta, simply, he’s offering this side very very little in a crucial area of the pitch.

Great point. He has been our senior, go to midfielder for too long and he will never be the leader that role requires. It’s ridiculous that the issue hasn’t been addressed.

GGTTH

[BoomtownHibees]

Newell is a good player, just very inconsistent, the problem we have is there is no one else good enough that can come in when newell isn't playing well.

How can such a good player be very inconsistent? That makes no sense to me

[Hector Mudflap]

Tbf to Newell if he was to go he would leave a huge gap in the modelling goods for sale in the clubstore position.


First time that the mention of his name has made me smile.


Well done. :top marks

[Allant1981]

How can such a good player be very inconsistent? That makes no sense to me

He clearly is a good player, I don't think anyone can surely say he isn't? He needs to do it more consistently but that's the difference between a good player and a really good player

[BoomtownHibees]

He clearly is a good player, I don't think anyone can surely say he isn't? He needs to do it more consistently but that's the difference between a good player and a really good player

You don’t think you need to be consistent to be classed as a good player?

[Hector Mudflap]

Can I just confirm, you are actually calling out those who defend and support our players, as if that is the wrong thing to be doing?

aye, in this case its like Brock Turners dad.

[Onion]

Newell is a player I'd have no problem losing to any other SPFL team. Nuff said.

[Jones28]

He’s not good enough for how I want Hibs to play and what I want us to achieve, which I accept is an entirely subjective opinion. Some people’s standards are lower so are happy to see player like him play every week regardless of their performances.

Do you think he’s not good enough even on his good days?

[NC1875]

How can such a good player be very inconsistent? That makes no sense to me

It’s mental. He has one good game and is then crap for the next five but people think he’s a good player. Good players are consistently good. Newell is more often than not rank rotten.

[CapitalGreen]

Do you think he’s not good enough even on his good days?

No, that’s not what I have said.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

If our manager wants to keep his job he’s going to have to make some difficult decisions.

Sometimes, that involves getting rid of those some think untouchable.

There’s going to have to be a clear out, and for it to be a success, messages need sent to those that make the cut. Joes had his chance, plenty games in a Hibs strip, and we’re still having the same conversations.

Time to go Joe, whether he’s deemed “our best midfielder” or not. Time to go

[BILLYHIBS]

Can I just confirm, you are actually calling out those who defend and support our players, as if that is the wrong thing to be doing?

You are defending the indefensible

Heart of a chicken

One good game in four

We need better

I repeat I like Newell but only once a month

As a Hibs fan and a ST holder all I ask is that every green and white jersey gives 100% and please please try and pass to a green jersey

No guts no glory

[paddy1875]

Quiet as a mouse in centre of the pitch.

He’s probably our main concern. The heart of our team and is rarely seen. The odd through ball every 10 games.

He does have ability but just don’t think he is suited to Scottish football. His long throw is his only saving grace here


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[MWHIBBIES]

You are defending the indefensible

Heart of a chicken

One good game in four

We need better

I repeat I like Newell but only once a month

As a Hibs fan and a ST holder all I ask is that every green and white jersey gives 100% and please please try and pass to a green jersey

No guts no glory

Newell passes to a green jersey better than anyone we've got. Nothing indefensible about it. Our best midfielder, but also our most English one, so usually the scapegoat. The abuse he gets simply is not relative to his performances, hasn't been for years now. He has been our best midfielder this season. Where are the threads on the other ones?

I thought so. Not just Hibs players who get grief now. Also those who support them.

Good player. 18 to get rid of before Joe.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Newell passes to a green jersey better than anyone we've got. Nothing indefensible about it. Our best midfielder, but also our most English one, so usually the scapegoat.

I thought so. Not just Hibs players who get grief now. Also those who support them.

Good player. 18 to get rid of before Joe.

Most English one? :faf:

This’ll be the same reason everyone hates that Alan Stubbs guy I presume. English dick that he is. I miss Colin Calderwood, the big Scottish legend.

[Jones28]

Newell passes to a green jersey better than anyone we've got. Nothing indefensible about it. Our best midfielder, but also our most English one, so usually the scapegoat. The abuse he gets simply is not relative to his performances, hasn't been for years now. He has been our best midfielder this season. Where are the threads on the other ones?

I thought so. Not just Hibs players who get grief now. Also those who support them.

Good player. 18 to get rid of before Joe.

Yikes that’s a bit of a stinker, people don’t like Newall because he’s English?

Have you read some of the stuff written about Henderson and Campbell?

[MWHIBBIES]

Most English one? :faf:

This’ll be the same reason everyone hates that Alan Stubbs guy I presume. English dick that he is. I miss Colin Calderwood, the big Scottish legend.

I didn't say all English people get abuse, but I think Newell being a lower league English signing got him off to a very bad start on here. He's never recovered with most. If we'd signed him this season, we'd think he was very good. He's been one of our best players this season.

Yikes that’s a bit of a stinker, people don’t like Newall because he’s English?

Have you read some of the stuff written about Henderson and Campbell?

I have yes, nothing like the stuff written about Newell considering he performs far better than both.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I didn't say all English people get abuse, but I think Newell being a lower league English signing got him off to a very bad start on here. He's never recovered with most. If we'd signed him this season, we'd think he was very good. He's been one of our best players this season.


I have yes, nothing like the stuff written about Newell considering he performs far better than both.

I’m not sure about that. Doidge came from a very similar league and people grew to love him.

People have just never rated Newell despite where he came from or what country he was born in, not because of it.

[BoomtownHibees]

Newell passes to a green jersey better than anyone we've got. Nothing indefensible about it. Our best midfielder, but also our most English one, so usually the scapegoat. The abuse he gets simply is not relative to his performances, hasn't been for years now. He has been our best midfielder this season. Where are the threads on the other ones?

I thought so. Not just Hibs players who get grief now. Also those who support them.

Good player. 18 to get rid of before Joe.

Folk don’t like him cos he’s English? Time to go for a lie doon

[The Modfather]

Newell passes to a green jersey better than anyone we've got. Nothing indefensible about it. Our best midfielder, but also our most English one, so usually the scapegoat. The abuse he gets simply is not relative to his performances, hasn't been for years now. He has been our best midfielder this season. Where are the threads on the other ones?

I thought so. Not just Hibs players who get grief now. Also those who support them.

Good player. 18 to get rid of before Joe.

If it’s not giving him hypothetical assists it’s now anti Englishness. The defence of Newell is getting thinner with each passing season.

I’m fairness, “there’s a player in there” “or on his day” could have been coined for Newell. Capable of good games, capable of going missing. I’m not sure that’s enough after 3 or 4 years, and at 29 that’s all he will ever produce. A clean slate needed in midfield. With Kenneth the only one who could get better with age and experience, but still very raw.

[BILLYHIBS]

Newell passes to a green jersey better than anyone we've got. Nothing indefensible about it. Our best midfielder, but also our most English one, so usually the scapegoat. The abuse he gets simply is not relative to his performances, hasn't been for years now. He has been our best midfielder this season. Where are the threads on the other ones?

I thought so. Not just Hibs players who get grief now. Also those who support them.

Good player. 18 to get rid of before Joe.

Jeezo!

I am being racist now?

Plenty of posters now saying what I told you months ago

You are starting to look foolish now

Joe is excellent when we are on the front foot but when the going gets tough he does not want to know

He could come from Timbuktu as far as I am concerned as long as he does the biz in a Hibs jersey consistently

Dearie me!

[Stuart93]

Newell passes to a green jersey better than anyone we've got. Nothing indefensible about it. Our best midfielder, but also our most English one, so usually the scapegoat. The abuse he gets simply is not relative to his performances, hasn't been for years now. He has been our best midfielder this season. Where are the threads on the other ones?

I thought so. Not just Hibs players who get grief now. Also those who support them.

Good player. 18 to get rid of before Joe.

You’re insinuating Newell is a scapegoat because he’s English???

Dearie me.

He’s the scapegoat cause he goes missing in the harder games/when our chips are down.

I’m not a big fan of his but I’d argue Campbell’s had a better season than Newell so far

[Logie Green]

There’s a thread on Follow Follow about the ‘quality’ of the Hibs team/squad after Thursday’s match.

Here’s one of the comments, for what it’s worth -

The biggest fraud they have is the boy Newell minces about the park like a cockney gangster moaning and shouting yet he is absolutely *****.

[B.H.F.C]

You’re insinuating Newell is a scapegoat because he’s English???

Dearie me.

He’s the scapegoat cause he goes missing in the harder games/when our chips are down.

I’m not a big fan of his but I’d argue Campbell’s had a better season than Newell so far

I’d agree with that last bit. I’m still not convinced by Campbell but he’s improved this season and contributed more than Newell for me. Even the other night, he was the one getting about the park and trying to impact the game while Newell did one of his regular disappearing acts.

[supermcginn]

Newell passes to a green jersey better than anyone we've got. Nothing indefensible about it. Our best midfielder, but also our most English one, so usually the scapegoat. The abuse he gets simply is not relative to his performances, hasn't been for years now. He has been our best midfielder this season. Where are the threads on the other ones?

I thought so. Not just Hibs players who get grief now. Also those who support them.

Good player. 18 to get rid of before Joe.

That's actually made me laugh out loud. What a load of nonsense.

[CapitalGreen]

Newell passes to a green jersey better than anyone we've got. Nothing indefensible about it.

65% pass completion on Thursday night. Absolutely abysmal for our most experienced and highest earning central midfielder. He’s Liam Craig for the Instagram generation.

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[BILLYHIBS]

65% pass completion on Thursday night. Absolutely abysmal for our most experienced and highest earning central midfielder.

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Lost possession 14 times

An upgrade on St Johnstone 17 times

[hibsbollah]

65% pass completion on Thursday night. Absolutely abysmal for our most experienced and highest earning central midfielder.

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We managed a sensible discussion on here about this stat in relation to modern footballs desire for possession at all costs mentality, so I can’t see why we can’t apply some logic when applying it when it comes to Hibs.

Newell is the one in our midfield who tries to break the lines with an insightful through ball, AKA the low percentage pass. That’s because he’s the best at doing it in our midfield, Campbell is also capable. Is Newell world class at it? No. But he’s never going to get 90% completion rate unless he’s having a dream of a game, simply because he’s trying things the others aren’t . I’m also not getting the comments about him ‘giving up’, generally his work rates fine and if there’s a complaint against his defensive work he gives away needless fouls too often.

[Logie Green]

65% pass completion on Thursday night. Absolutely abysmal for our most experienced and highest earning central midfielder. He’s Liam Craig for the Instagram generation.

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Agree 100%.

Those stats possibly confirm that his more impressive pass rate in other games is due to the number of passes he makes which go back or sideways. In the second half on Thursday he was so close to the defence the times he did get the ball forced him into going forward thus giving the ball away.

I actually forgot he was on the pitch in the second half as he was so anonymous. A chancer of the highest order, which is a shame as I’ve seen far worse players playing for Hibs.

[CapitalGreen]

We managed a sensible discussion on here about this stat in relation to modern footballs desire for possession at all costs mentality, so I can’t see why we can’t apply some logic when applying it when it comes to Hibs.

Newell is the one in our midfield who tries to break the lines with an insightful through ball, AKA the low percentage pass. That’s because he’s the best at doing it in our midfield, Campbell is also capable. Is Newell world class at it? No. But he’s never going to get 90% completion rate unless he’s having a dream of a game, simply because he’s trying things the others aren’t . I’m also not getting the comments about him ‘giving up’, generally his work rates fine and if there’s a complaint against his defensive work he gives away needless fouls too often.

What games are you watching where Newell is regularly attempting “insightful through balls” to break the lines? If he was doing that I’d be a lot happier.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Whether he is deemed our best midfielder or not, he needs to go. He’s had over 100 appearances and still flatters to deceive. At least there’s a chance of some improvement in the younger boys (JDH, Campbell, Kenneh)

Joe is a seasoned Pro who is as good as he’s ever going to be and it will never be good enough.

He will be on a decent wage. Time to go

[easty]

Whether he is deemed our best midfielder or not, he needs to go. He’s had over 100 appearances and still flatters to deceive. At least there’s a chance of some improvement in the younger boys (JDH, Campbell, Kenneh)

Joe is a seasoned Pro who is as good as he’s ever going to be and it will never be good enough.

He will be on a decent wage. Time to go

I’d rather see all three of those players leave then Newell.

[Jones28]

I didn't say all English people get abuse, but I think Newell being a lower league English signing got him off to a very bad start on here. He's never recovered with most. If we'd signed him this season, we'd think he was very good. He's been one of our best players this season.


I have yes, nothing like the stuff written about Newell considering he performs far better than both.

It’s a stinker of a comment no matter how you want to spin it.

[Chip shop Joe]

You need to give this a rest mate.

You think he is really good, well worth his new deal etc etc. The vast majority think he is somewhere between awful and decent on the ball but pretty ineffectual, who has no drive and very rarely does anything to change a game (my opinion).

Now insinuating that people don’t like him because he is English, it is getting embarrassing.

[Stuart93]

It’s a stinker of a comment no matter how you want to spin it.

Now trying to spin it that it’s the “English lower leagues” he meant, as opposed to him just being English.

Agreed, had a stinker

[CapitalGreen]

Now trying to spin it that it’s the “English lower leagues” he meant, as opposed to him just being English.

Agreed, had a stinker

It’s one of the worst comments I’ve read on here in a while. Our last 2 cup winning captains came from the English lower leagues ffs.

[hibsbollah]

What games are you watching where Newell is regularly attempting “insightful through balls” to break the lines? If he was doing that I’d be a lot happier.

Most of them? That’s his role in the team. I’m not saying it’s always working, but most things aren’t. It’s a misleading stat.

Which midfielder is attempting more through balls than Newell, if you think otherwise?

[MagicSwirlingShip]

I’d rather see all three of those players leave then Newell.

Fair enough. I’d rather cut Newell and use his wage on a new #8 our new DOF finds

[Unseen work]

Fair enough. I’d rather cut Newell and use his wage on a new #8 our new DOF finds

Seen a couple mention a DOF, is there anything in this?

Unsure how that would work with Johnson being manager and not head coach

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Seen a couple mention a DOF, is there anything in this?

Unsure how that would work with Johnson being manager and not head coach

Just seen it mentioned also. Surely makes sense considering it’s clear what’s going on now isn’t working

[mcfly]

He hides when the going gets tough.

not what we need.

3yrs left on his deal is a massive worry as he’s not good enough

[paddy1875]

Most of them? That’s his role in the team. I’m not saying it’s always working, but most things aren’t. It’s a misleading stat.

Which midfielder is attempting more through balls than Newell, if you think otherwise?

The last time Iv seen him attempt to play a through ball was the goal that was Disallowed for offside at home to st mirren in the 3 nil win.

He has the ability to do it but he very rarely try’s it my opinion. This could be from poor movement infront of him tho.

If you compare him to Scott Allan who would try these passes every game and sometimes make it happen to newell. It’s night and day. We gave Allan the Benefit because we knew he was capable of it on multiple occasions.

Joe newell is meant to be our main man in the middle of the park. 3 managers have thought so.
He’s simply not good enough for the role he plays in our team.


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[ManchesterGreen]

There’s imposters and then there’s Joe Newell. Wage thief of the highest calibre. Hide and seek champion in so many matches in his time at Hibs whilst stealing a wage at the same time.

Unfortunately we are stuck with charlatan until the end of 2025 and in the same breath draining the club of god knows how much money.

[Iain G]

There’s imposters and then there’s Joe Newell. Wage thief of the highest calibre. Hide and seek champion in so many matches in his time at Hibs whilst stealing a wage at the same time.

Unfortunately we are stuck with charlatan until the end of 2025 and in the same breath draining the club of god knows how much money.

So you only give him a 6/10 then? 🤣

[Silky]

[QUOTE=paddy1875;7195644]

Joe newell is meant to be our main man in the middle of the park. 3 managers have thought so.
He’s simply not good enough for the role he plays in our team [QUOTE]

That's a wider issue then and surely comes down to the caliber of manager we're hiring. As you said, three managers thought he was the main man, the majority on here think he's not good enough. If the managers can't spot what the fans can, then we need to question that.

[Hibs4185]

[QUOTE=paddy1875;7195644]

Joe newell is meant to be our main man in the middle of the park. 3 managers have thought so.
He’s simply not good enough for the role he plays in our team [QUOTE]

That's a wider issue then and surely comes down to the caliber of manager we're hiring. As you said, three managers thought he was the main man, the majority on here think he's not good enough. If the managers can't spot what the fans can, then we need to question that.

3 managers have been sacked for that very reason. If any manager thinks Newell is our main man then they deserved to be sacked.

[FitbaFolkKen]

This thread is brutal. I can understand critiquing performances but this is pathetic. Who needs opposition when the fans treat players like this? It’s already been noted he starts every week, who does this stuff help? Certainly not Hibs and Joe.

I think a few folk need to look back at the Rocky situation in the summer. This type of negativity spreads like poison. We know some of the players and club read it.

Aye the club/team/Joe/lj are struggling but surely there is a better way of approaching it when you consider we only just got edged out by Rangers.


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[bigwheel]

This thread is brutal. I can understand critiquing performances but this is pathetic. Who needs opposition when the fans treat players like this? It’s already been noted he starts every week, who does this stuff help? Certainly not Hibs and Joe.

I think a few folk need to look back at the Rocky situation in the summer. This type of negativity spreads like poison. We know some of the players and club read it.

Aye the club/team/Joe/lj are struggling but surely there is a better way of approaching it when you consider we only just got edged out by Rangers.


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Yep. Most threads turn out like this just now . It’s understandable there is deep dissatisfaction with performances and results , but the vitriolic posts on here are horrible . This place has been largely like this since Ross days ..a lot of people spending time shouting how bad everything is ..

[cameronw-hfc]

This thread is brutal. I can understand critiquing performances but this is pathetic. Who needs opposition when the fans treat players like this? It’s already been noted he starts every week, who does this stuff help? Certainly not Hibs and Joe.

I think a few folk need to look back at the Rocky situation in the summer. This type of negativity spreads like poison. We know some of the players and club read it.

Aye the club/team/Joe/lj are struggling but surely there is a better way of approaching it when you consider we only just got edged out by Rangers.


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Watch it, this is the controversial stance. Abusing players is wrong, unless it's Newell, then the usual suspects are at it at every opportunity.

When the rocky thing happened we all(mostly) came together and agreed it was shocking. One bad result and that's all out the window, probably the same people abusing JN will be tweeting about men's mental health and to be nice etc.

[FitbaFolkKen]

Watch it, this is the controversial stance. Abusing players is wrong, unless it's Newell, then the usual suspects are at it at every opportunity.

When the rocky thing happened we all(mostly) came together and agreed it was shocking. One bad result and that's all out the window, probably the same people abusing JN will be tweeting about men's mental health and to be nice etc.

I’m not trying to change peoples opinion. If folk don’t rate any players that’s fair enough. They are still human though and imposter/wage thief etc…. Are just abuse.

I’m off to the pub, staying out of here tonight [emoji23]


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[B.H.F.C]

Watch it, this is the controversial stance. Abusing players is wrong, unless it's Newell, then the usual suspects are at it at every opportunity.

When the rocky thing happened we all(mostly) came together and agreed it was shocking. One bad result and that's all out the window, probably the same people abusing JN will be tweeting about men's mental health and to be nice etc.

The players have had brilliant support this season, another sold out away end on Thursday night. Opinions on performance(s) doesn’t equal abuse. I think this thread is way more opinions on performance rather than abuse. And I think people base those opinions on a bit more than one bad performance.

[BILLYHIBS]

The players have had brilliant support this season, another sold out away end on Thursday night. Opinions on performance(s) doesn’t equal abuse. I think this thread is way more opinions on performance rather than abuse. And I think people base those opinions on a bit more than one bad performance.
Agree

The fans expect more than leading 2-1 at Half-Time against a poor The Rangers side who had finished off the half strongly then coming out second half surrendering two thirds of the pitch to them at home and waiting on the inevitable and not even laying a glove on them

A blind man running for a bus could see that our midfield had totally disappeared from the game after 50 minutes and we were being overrun

3-2 going on 6-2

LJ needed to act quicker and we needed our experienced players to stand up and be counted and for someone to grab the game by the scruff of the neck

Not for the first time thus season we have been found wanting

Our only shot on target being what amounted to a pass back to the keeper from Henderson

[cameronw-hfc]

I’m not trying to change peoples opinion. If folk don’t rate any players that’s fair enough. They are still human though and imposter/wage thief etc…. Are just abuse.

I’m off to the pub, staying out of here tonight [emoji23]


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I agree with you. Joe has been far, far from the worst of our problems this season, yet he's the main culprit at every opportunity. Can only imagine how crap it must be for him to sign into twitter and insta now. He deleted his Instagram at the start of the season as well and made a private one. Think that says a lot.

[WeeRussell]

I agree with you. Joe has been far, far from the worst of our problems this season, yet he's the main culprit at every opportunity. Can only imagine how crap it must be for him to sign into twitter and insta now. He deleted his Instagram at the start of the season as well and made a private one. Think that says a lot.

People do that all the time on Instagram. Not saying your overall point isn’t a valid one, but we can’t just assume hibs fans criticising him is the reason his Instagram is now private, any more than we can just make up that he was getting stick from Jambos.

[paddy1875]

I agree with you. Joe has been far, far from the worst of our problems this season, yet he's the main culprit at every opportunity. Can only imagine how crap it must be for him to sign into twitter and insta now. He deleted his Instagram at the start of the season as well and made a private one. Think that says a lot.

He’s the main culprit because he’s meant to be the centre piece.

Like it or not the centre of the park is the key area of the park. I agree on the face of it he doesn’t seems to be the main concern. But games pass him by more often than not. Putting more pressure on everyone else.

I don’t want to be to harsh on him as he is a human being etc but this is a fans forum to discuss the football team.

Maybe we’ve just been dealt a rubbish hand because he’s came in on the back of quality midfielders.


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[hibsbollah]

Yep. Most threads turn out like this just now . It’s understandable there is deep dissatisfaction with performances and results , but the vitriolic posts on here are horrible . This place has been largely like this since Ross days ..a lot of people spending time shouting how bad everything is ..

Deeply bored with it. Youan thread McKirdy thread Newell thread Cabrajas not good enough Hanlons cup win doesn’t matter because if he was any good Why haven’t a bigger team come in for him blah de ****ing blah.

[tamig]

This thread is brutal. I can understand critiquing performances but this is pathetic. Who needs opposition when the fans treat players like this? It’s already been noted he starts every week, who does this stuff help? Certainly not Hibs and Joe.

I think a few folk need to look back at the Rocky situation in the summer. This type of negativity spreads like poison. We know some of the players and club read it.

Aye the club/team/Joe/lj are struggling but surely there is a better way of approaching it when you consider we only just got edged out by Rangers.


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Poisonous on here now. I used to visit multiple times every day but I dip in and out now and see pish like this. Sad to see but it seems to be a sign of the times we live in. And I don’t mean the current poor run of form either.

[JimBHibees]

Deeply bored with it. Youan thread McKirdy thread Newell thread Cabrajas not good enough Hanlons cup win doesn’t matter because if he was any good Why haven’t a bigger team come in for him blah de ****ing blah.

Totally agree tortuous

[RIP]

Poisonous on here now. I used to visit multiple times every day but I dip in and out now and see pish like this. Sad to see but it seems to be a sign of the times we live in. And I don’t mean the current poor run of form either.

After he scored, Porto ran to the Hibs fans just to cup his ear at them. Said on the Sky Sports interview that fans had started to turn on him.

Surely the players know that our diehard fans are made of far, far tougher stuff than the few dozen drama queens that occupy these boards. Most of them look down on forums like these as home to grumpy old men.

So, Joe, Ryan, Elie, Paul and others, if you are looking in?
Please stop.😄

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Newell is good enough IMO. He's just not consistent enough. You can't train or coach consistentency into a player.

[Stuart93]

Deeply bored with it. Youan thread McKirdy thread Newell thread Cabrajas not good enough Hanlons cup win doesn’t matter because if he was any good Why haven’t a bigger team come in for him blah de ****ing blah.

Well it’s not exactly going to be cheerful when the teams humpty is it? We’re sitting 8th in a god awful league. Why do you think there’s threads starting about players not being good enough???

[FitbaFolkKen]

The players have had brilliant support this season, another sold out away end on Thursday night. Opinions on performance(s) doesn’t equal abuse. I think this thread is way more opinions on performance rather than abuse. And I think people base those opinions on a bit more than one bad performance.

I’m sorry but a lot on this thread equates abuse


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[cameronw-hfc]

Well it’s not exactly going to be cheerful when the teams humpty is it? We’re sitting 8th in a god awful league. Why do you think there’s threads starting about players not being good enough???

It's not about the threads, it's about comments like wage thief, imposter, chartalan etc. And that's only the one reply I'm quoting.

The Joe Newell hatred, despite what some will claim, isn't natural. It's really odd, but he 150% has a section of the support that no matter what he does, will never ever see the food. The players he's been in with have been pants for the most part as well, but he's the problem supposedly. Joe is a good player, put him in a decent team and we will see it.

To those who claim he doesn't work hard, that's just delusion. Joes running stats put the rest of our teams to shame, at least before Campbell became a mainstay they did, Josh might challenge him for that, but he's as hard a worker as anyone else.

[overdrive]

That's actually made me laugh out loud. What a load of nonsense.

I’m pretty much the most anti SNP one on here and that is an absolute joke. Nothing because he’s English and all to do with him being the *****st player to ever disgrace the hibs shirt other than Paul Hanlon, the Human. crisp packet

[bigwheel]

I’m pretty much the most anti SNP one on here and that is an absolute joke. Nothing because he’s English and all to do with him being the *****st player to ever disgrace the hibs shirt other than Paul Hanlon, the Human. crisp packet

Example of good balanced criticism #1 [emoji102]


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[GreenCastle]

Newell is good enough IMO. He's just not consistent enough. You can't train or coach consistentency into a player.

So tennis players can’t be trained to be consistent ?

Football players can be definitely be coached to be consistent - how would anyone progress ??

Joe Newell was an often played as a left winger before he came to Hibs many fans forget this.

[J-C]

So tennis players can’t be trained to be consistent ?

Football players can be definitely be coached to be consistent - how would anyone progress ??

Joe Newell was an often played as a left winger before he came to Hibs many fans forget this.


And Heckingbottom played him on the left too, all the clips I seen of him when he came was as a left sided attacking players, suddenly he's a holding midfielder wtf.

[hibsbollah]

Poisonous on here now. I used to visit multiple times every day but I dip in and out now and see pish like this. Sad to see but it seems to be a sign of the times we live in. And I don’t mean the current poor run of form either.

If you mean post COVID and economic woes I think you're right. People are just generally more angry and intolerant. You can see it out on the roads too.

[Key West]

There's a good player in there but like all of the others he lacks consistency,I've been disillusioned with Hibs for most of this season but they have had very little in the way of luck with team selections due to injuries and as a consequence there is no continuity.Under Jack Ross Joe was best in a midfield that included Magennis and Doyle-Hayes.
Sections of the team defence, midfield and up front well they take it in turns to be the reasons for our poor form, it's been a very disappointing campaign but we do have to look at the details when being critical.

[marinello59]

Well it’s not exactly going to be cheerful when the teams humpty is it? We’re sitting 8th in a god awful league. Why do you think there’s threads starting about players not being good enough???

There a big difference between fair criticism and the border line hatred towards some of our own players we are seeing from some on here. It’s depressing as hell to read.

[LeithMike]

There's a good player in there but like all of the others he lacks consistency,I've been disillusioned with Hibs for most of this season but they have had very little in the way of luck with team selections due to injuries and as a consequence there is no continuity.Under Jack Ross Joe was best in a midfield that included Magennis and Doyle-Hayes.
Sections of the team defence, midfield and up front well they take it in turns to be the reasons for our poor form, it's been a very disappointing campaign but we do have to look at the details when being critical.

There is definitely a good player there but prob not a central midfielder. I don’t think it’s his effort he’s just not a guy who is built to run around and he lunges rather than tackles. I think you can see why he became a left winger. Hibs badly need a proper number 8. If Magennis stays fit and Campbell can kick on again then JDH with Magennis and Campbell would be a decent midfield 3 in a 4-3-3. Might miss a bit of creativity though in a 3-5-2 in which case McGeady could come in as a #10.

JDH is disciplined and is able to do the defensive side well when he’s not expected to make the play too.


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[CapitalGreen]

There is definitely a good player there but prob not a central midfielder. I don’t think it’s his effort he’s just not a guy who is built to run around and he lunges rather than tackles. I think you can see why he became a left winger. Hibs badly need a proper number 8. If Magennis stays fit and Campbell can kick on again then JDH with Magennis and Campbell would be a decent midfield 3 in a 4-3-3. Might miss a bit of creativity though in a 3-5-2 in which case McGeady could come in as a #10.

JDH is disciplined and is able to do the defensive side well when he’s not expected to make the play too.


No it wouldn’t. JDH and Campbell have both proven time and time again that they aren’t good enough either. We can’t expect to compete with Aberdeen and Hearts with those players in our midfield.

[blackpoolhibs]

There a big difference between fair criticism and the border line hatred towards some of our own players we are seeing from some on here. It’s depressing as hell to read.

It does get better when we win more games, apart from when we challenge for 2nd spot and dont get it.

Or even lose cup finals.

The team are then accused of bottling it, and the manager gets crucified for changing the team.

I'm not looking forward to our next relegation.

[Key West]

There is definitely a good player there but prob not a central midfielder. I don’t think it’s his effort he’s just not a guy who is built to run around and he lunges rather than tackles. I think you can see why he became a left winger. Hibs badly need a proper number 8. If Magennis stays fit and Campbell can kick on again then JDH with Magennis and Campbell would be a decent midfield 3 in a 4-3-3. Might miss a bit of creativity though in a 3-5-2 in which case McGeady could come in as a #10.

JDH is disciplined and is able to do the defensive side well when he’s not expected to make the play too.


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I agree with most of this with Campbell and Magennis giving us more energy and goals, maybe Newell should be the sitter or as you suggested Doyle-Hayes. I also believe with a fully fit squad almost all of our players and formations improve automatically, unfortunately we don’t seem to be able to deal with adversity as well as other teams, it’s only my opinion, I’m certainly no expert on the matter.

[Lago]

I’m pretty much the most anti SNP one on here and that is an absolute joke. Nothing because he’s English and all to do with him being the *****st player to ever disgrace the hibs shirt other than Paul Hanlon, the Human. crisp packet
You must think your really clever coming out with that statement, how long did it take you to make it up?

[CapitalGreen]

I agree with most of this with Campbell and Magennis giving us more energy and goals, maybe Newell should be the sitter or as you suggested Doyle-Hayes. I also believe with a fully fit squad almost all of our players and formations improve automatically, unfortunately we don’t seem to be able to deal with adversity as well as other teams, it’s only my opinion, I’m certainly no expert on the matter.

Its ability we lack in midfield not energy. Midfielders like JC and JDH are simply below the level of quality of our rivals and the level required for how we want to play.

[Key West]

Its ability we lack in midfield not energy. Midfielders like JC and JDH are simply below the level of quality of our rivals and the level required for how we want to play.

I'd like to see players of better ability in every position but it is Hibs we are discussing, are the midfields of other teams so much better that they would make a great difference in our quest to be the best of the rest?

[Pedantic_Hibee]

He hides when the going gets tough.

not what we need.

3yrs left on his deal is a massive worry as he’s not good enough

If you ask the admins nicely, they might come to a mutual agreement with MWHIBBIES and terminate now rather than us all having to wait 36 months.

[CapitalGreen]

I'd like to see players of better ability in every position but it is Hibs we are discussing, are the midfields of other teams so much better that they would make a great difference in our quest to be the best of the rest?

Yes, the midfielders of Aberdeen and Hearts are better than ours and having that type of quality would improve our chances of competing with them. I don’t accept your suggestion that because it is Hibs we can’t attract better than Campbell and Doyle-Hayes as starters in central midfield, if that is the case then we might as well give up now.

[Key West]

Yes, the midfielders of Aberdeen and Hearts are better than ours and having that type of quality would improve our chances of competing with them. I don’t accept your suggestion that because it is Hibs we can’t attract better than Campbell and Doyle-Hayes as starters in central midfield, if that is the case then we might as well give up now.

I'm not a million miles from your way of thinking but it is easier to focus on trying to get the best of what we have got rather than what we haven't, a lot of fans would like a complete overhaul but that to me though exciting is not realistic. Aberdeen were pathetic yesterday and Hearts are hardly world beaters, if the future was signing players of their standard yes we'd both be better off giving Easter Road a miss.

[LeithMike]

Its ability we lack in midfield not energy. Midfielders like JC and JDH are simply below the level of quality of our rivals and the level required for how we want to play.

Without Magennis we’ve had 3 static players all wanting to sit on the ball and make passes with no runners. That’s really easy to play against and we were very easy to play through. JDH, Magennis and Campbell/McGeady would improve our defence and attack as well as midfield. I’m sure we could improve further but that midfield should get us on the right track. We’ve missed guys with the ability to run ever since McGinn left and had guys who look like they are running through treacle in Vela, Malian, Newell etc.


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[bigwheel]

Without Magennis we’ve had 3 static players all wanting to sit on the ball and make passes with no runners. That’s really easy to play against and we were very easy to play through. JDH, Magennis and Campbell/McGeady would improve our defence and attack as well as midfield. I’m sure we could improve further but that midfield should get us on the right track. We’ve missed guys with the ability to run ever since McGinn left and had guys who look like they are running through treacle in Vela, Malian, Newell etc.


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Don’t think it’s fair to say they are static ..Campbell is a workhorse..lots of running ..as are the other two tbf. They are definitely passers though rather than the dynamic play of Magennis - so I agree there is a real difference

[sleeping giant]

I’m pretty much the most anti SNP one on here and that is an absolute joke. Nothing because he’s English and all to do with him being the *****st player to ever disgrace the hibs shirt other than Paul Hanlon, the Human. crisp packet

Ffs.
I'm hoping you're pished or something.

That's a shocker.

[CapitalGreen]

I'm not a million miles from your way of thinking but it is easier to focus on trying to get the best of what we have got rather than what we haven't, a lot of fans would like a complete overhaul but that to me though exciting is not realistic. Aberdeen were pathetic yesterday and Hearts are hardly world beaters, if the future was signing players of their standard yes we'd both be better off giving Easter Road a miss.

In a few weeks we’ll potentially be on our 4th manager trying to “get the best out of what we have”. Jack Ross, Shaun Maloney, David Gray and Lee Johnson haven’t managed to make a functional midfield from what we have, what are we expecting to change? As Einstein probably never said, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.”

[blackpoolhibs]

Yes, the midfielders of Aberdeen and Hearts are better than ours and having that type of quality would improve our chances of competing with them. I don’t accept your suggestion that because it is Hibs we can’t attract better than Campbell and Doyle-Hayes as starters in central midfield, if that is the case then we might as well give up now.

I'd take every Hearts midfielder over ours, i'm not supposed to say that because apparently they are sheite.

What does that make ours?

[hhibs]

Ffs.
I'm hoping you're pished or something.

That's a shocker.



Agreed.

Indeed,a person of balance, with a huge chip on both shoulders.

[The Modfather]

Don’t think it’s fair to say they are static ..Campbell is a workhorse..lots of running ..as are the other two tbf. They are definitely passers though rather than the dynamic play of Magennis - so I agree there is a real difference

Static is maybe not the term but I agree with the general point. Replace static with drive. None of our midfielders, other than Magennis, receive the ball and drive us 20 yards up the park before giving it to an attacker. We have too many players not willing or able to cross the halfway line (Newell, JDH, Kenneh).

I agree that with all fit our best midfield is probably JDH, Campbell & Magennis. Maggenis can’t be relied upon and I don’t think the other two are good enough long term, especially Campbell. However he’s willing to run ahead of the ball and get into the box. Running and desire go a long way in our league, and go further than technical ability, like Newell, but one paced and passive.

[matty_f]

They'll be on soon enough quoting stats a plenty to justify him. He’s been an every present in the last 4 managers squads, 3 sackings and another one heading that way, he's been an ever present in one of the worst midfield I've seen in years.

Who was quoting stats to justify him? The only folk I've seen posting stats were to highlight he wasn't good enough.

[J-C]

Who was quoting stats to justify him? The only folk I've seen posting stats were to highlight he wasn't good enough.

Not going to start name calling but there are 2-3 posters who do it justify him, one in particular will argue the case until he wears you down.

[matty_f]

Yeah even though the stats show we get better results when he doesn’t play

No doubt that point will get challenged to make sure the stats include every single variable and it’s a like for like comparison in minutes played etc

I am struggling with folk not grasping the point that was made about the specific stats that were being used when those variables were brought up. It's like they're being deliberately obtuse

[matty_f]

Not going to start name calling but there are 2-3 posters who do it justify him, one in particular will argue the case until he wears you down.

Good job they'd nobody else on the forum that will try to wear everyone else down by making the same points all over the shop.

Let's go after the ones that do it defending the players that play for that team we support.

[flash]

Good job they'd nobody else on the forum that will try to wear everyone else down by making the same points all over the shop.

Let's go after the ones that do it defending the players that play for that team we support.

Jeez Matty, not that defending the players shtick again.

[matty_f]

Jeez Matty, not that defending the players shtick again.

I feel at this point that is only right that I point out that I also thought Newell had a shocker on Thursday, and that he goes missing too often. I have no problems whatsoever with folk arguing a case for him, because on his game he can be excellent for us.

Not a fan at all of folk getting the piss taken for trying to stand up for him, though.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I am struggling with folk not grasping the point that was made about the specific stats that were being used when those variables were brought up. It's like they're being deliberately obtuse

Alternatively, those using the ‘variables’ chat and then dipping out when it was pointed out variables would negate every statistic in football were being deliberately obtuse.

[matty_f]

Alternatively, those using the ‘variables’ chat and then dipping out when it was pointed out variables would negate every statistic in football were being deliberately obtuse.

No, the point made that you're referring to there was either deliberately obtuse or, if not, so banal as to make discussing it further a waste of everyone's time. I've no intention of explaining things to folk who have no intention of understanding them.

[Paulie Walnuts]

No, the point made that you're referring to there was either deliberately obtuse or, if not, so banal as to make discussing it further a waste of everyone's time. I've no intention of explaining things to folk who have no intention of understanding them.

No, it really wasn’t, it pointed out how laughable the suggestion that those stats meant nothing yet others did mean something was.

The only time variables seem to be such a big issue that they make the stats ‘as good as meaningless’ seems to be when they show that Joe Newell isn’t all that great.

[J-C]

I feel at this point that is only right that I point out that I also thought Newell had a shocker on Thursday, and that he goes missing too often. I have no problems whatsoever with folk arguing a case for him, because on his game he can be excellent for us.

Not a fan at all of folk getting the piss taken for trying to stand up for him, though.
I also agree that on his game he can be very good but in the 3 years he's been here, he's been a mainstay of a team that has regularly failed, yes we got 3rd but also failed miserably in 2 cups that season and is now on his 4th manager. I'll give him praise when it's deserved but I'm also fed up only praising him 1 in 6 games. Time to get fresh ideas and players into the club.

[matty_f]

No, it really wasn’t, it pointed out how laughable the suggestion that those stats meant nothing yet others did mean something was.

Comparing using a league table to measure the best team over a season with measuring the impact of one player in a team using 120-odd games with and 30-odd without is idiotic unless you're being willfully ignorant.
If you don't get that, I can't help you.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Comparing using a league table to measure the best team over a season with measuring the impact of one player in a team using 120-odd games with and 30-odd without is idiotic unless you're being willfully ignorant.
If you don't get that, I can't help you.

It is an idiotic suggestion to suggest that you can’t measure who’s the best team by the league table. Just like it’s idiotic to suggest that such a large sample size of games with and without Joe Newell tells you pretty much nothing about whether we’re a better team with or without him, as you suggested it does.

[matty_f]

No, it really wasn’t, it pointed out how laughable the suggestion that those stats meant nothing yet others did mean something was.

The only time variables seem to be such a big issue that they make the stats ‘as good as meaningless’ seems to be when they show that Joe Newell isn’t all that great.

I don't think you're stupid so I think you're being willfully ignorant on the point being made.

Nobody said all stats are rendered useless by variables, absolutely nobody.

[matty_f]

It is an idiotic suggestion to suggest that you can’t measure who’s the best team by the league table. Just like it’s idiotic to suggest that such a large sample size of games with and without Joe Newell tells you pretty much nothing about whether we’re a better team with or without him, as you suggested it does.

Nobody suggested you can't judge the best team over the season using the league table. In fact it's the best and pretty much only way to do it.

Caveat being you might want to know who the best passing team was, or the best at tackling, or who did the most running, which the table wouldn't tell you.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Nobody suggested you can't judge the best team over the season.

I did. And I suggested it cause it would be as ridiculous a suggestion as comparing games with and without Joe Newell tells you nothing, which is what you suggested.

[flash]

I feel at this point that is only right that I point out that I also thought Newell had a shocker on Thursday, and that he goes missing too often. I have no problems whatsoever with folk arguing a case for him, because on his game he can be excellent for us.

Not a fan at all of folk getting the piss taken for trying to stand up for him, though.
I totally agree. He is so frustrating because we have seen what he can do on a good day.

[matty_f]

I did. And I suggested it cause it would be as ridiculous a suggestion as comparing games with and without Joe Newell tells you nothing, which is what you suggested.

This is why I can't waste any more time on this.

[Basildon Hibs]

I'd like to see players of better ability in every position but it is Hibs we are discussing, are the midfields of other teams so much better that they would make a great difference in our quest to be the best of the rest?

Yes.

[hibsbollah]

The problem with taking Giroud off is there are always going to be set plays like that where Mbappe isn’t your best option anymore.

Wrong thread :faf:

[Paulie Walnuts]

This is why I can't waste any more time on this.

Because you don’t agree? Interesting.

[matty_f]

Because you don’t agree? Interesting.

No, not because I disagree.

[Hibs4185]

Remember when MWHIBEES said we’d regret letting go of Doidge, how’s he doing at Killie?

Same with Newell. He’d struggle to get a game at Killie too

[hibsbollah]

Remember when MWHIBEES said we’d regret letting go of Doidge, how’s he doing at Killie?

Same with Newell. He’d struggle to get a game at Killie too

Not sure there’s any connection between the future fortunes of the two players, because they’re, y’know, two different players :dunno:

[jeffers]

I’m hardly saying anything of great insight here but imo the reason Newell has so many threads on this site is ‘cos when he’s at it he clearly does have ability. If he was just pish I doubt there would be so much comment and certainly far less frustration. Even his biggest admirer must admit there are too many games like Thursday where he just doesn’t turn up.

[Hibiza]

Newell , over his time with us has been total dross ( except the occasional game ) .

[flash]

I’m hardly saying anything of great insight here but imo the reason Newell has so many threads on this site is ‘cos when he’s at it he clearly does have ability. If he was just pish I doubt there would be so much comment and certainly far less frustration. Even his biggest admirer must admit there are too many games like Thursday where he just doesn’t turn up.

I made this exact point further up the page.

The guy can play and is more than good enough when on his game.

Unfortunately those days don't happen often enough for us.

I wouldn't necessarily want rid of him but not sure he justifies starting practically every week.

[Fergus52]

Not going to start name calling but there are 2-3 posters who do it justify him, one in particular will argue the case until he wears you down.

Idk if you're talking about me or MWhibbies, but I think my use of stats defending Newell has been reasonable.

He has big weakness to his game: lack of pace, risk averse passing, silly fouls etc. And while I think he has qualities that compensate for them I understand how they can frustrate other fans who don't rate him as much as me.

But when posters come out with nonsense like he can't defend, he never creates anything, he never runs or presses and just stands and plays with his hair etc. I'll happily post his tackles, key passes, pressures and turnovers per game stats to rubbish those bull**** claims.

I don't think it's to do with anti Englishness but he does get unwarranted criticism on here imo. Several times this season we've lost a game and I've thought he was the least of our problems with several other players more at fault, then I'll come on here to find a new thread calling him a lazy wage thief, imposter etc which I just don't see as justified, even if you don't think he's played well.

[J-C]

Idk if you're talking about me or MWhibbies, but I think my use of stats defending Newell has been reasonable.

He has big weakness to his game: lack of pace, risk averse passing, silly fouls etc. And while I think he has qualities that compensate for them I understand how they can frustrate other fans who don't rate him as much as me.

But when posters come out with nonsense like he can't defend, he never creates anything, he never runs or presses and just stands and plays with his hair etc. I'll happily post his tackles, key passes, pressures and turnovers per game stats to rubbish those bull**** claims.

I don't think it's to do with anti Englishness but he does get unwarranted criticism on here imo. Several times this season we've lost a game and I've thought he was the least of our problems with several other players more at fault, then I'll come on here to find a new thread calling him a lazy wage thief, imposter etc which I just don't see as justified, even if you don't think he's played well.


Deffo not you, you don't wear anyone down, I'm not Newell's biggest fan but can appreciate when he does have a god game, unfortunately we need better than 1 good game in 6 if we want to progress.

[jeffers]

I made this exact point further up the page.

The guy can play and is more than good enough when on his game.

Unfortunately those days don't happen often enough for us.

I wouldn't necessarily want rid of him but not sure he justifies starting practically every week.

I think your last sentence is part of the issue, no matter how he plays he starts the following game. I’m not suggesting he goes out not caring if he has a bad game but he knows no matter what he’ll be picked for the next game.

[B.H.F.C]

I think your last sentence is part of the issue, no matter how he plays he starts the following game. I’m not suggesting he goes out not caring if he has a bad game but he knows no matter what he’ll be picked for the next game.

This. Constantly fail in that area of the pitch but there is one constant starter who starts no matter what.

[MWHIBBIES]

Remember when MWHIBEES said we’d regret letting go of Doidge, how’s he doing at Killie?

Same with Newell. He’d struggle to get a game at Killie too

This is adorable. I'm flattered. You'll need to find me that quote, though. You seen to remember it so well.

Doidge didn't come back at all well from a bad injury. It happens. Very good player before and I'd hoped he'd get back to that. Again, my mistake for supporting Hibs players. I should of course be ****ting all over them, that's seems to be working so well. Your argument would look slightly better too if Christian wasn't still our joint top scoring striker despite leaving 5 months ago.

[Hector Mudflap]

This is adorable. I'm flattered. You'll need to find me that quote, though. You seen to remember it so well.

Doidge didn't come back at all well from a bad injury. It happens. Very good player before and I'd hoped he'd get back to that. Again, my mistake for supporting Hibs players. I should of course be ****ting all over them, that's seems to be working so well. Your argument would look slightly better too if Christian wasn't still our joint top scoring striker despite leaving 5 months ago.


I think your argument would work better if Christian was actually scoring goals at Killmarnock. The fact that he's not scored any surely proves that what others were saying (namely he's not that good (anymore) was correct. You seemed to be always bigging him up while the majority of posters were fed up of a striker who didn't strike. Your affections then seemed to have transferred to Newell and while the majority of views being he's not good enough you just disagreed. Your continued support can be described as admiral but there is part of me that thinks its just a typical football fan view by someone who is either blinded by his rose coloured spectacles or a brilliant Troll.

Take your pick.

[MWHIBBIES]

I think your argument would work better if Christian was actually scoring goals at Killmarnock. The fact that he's not scored any surely proves that what others were saying (namely he's not that good (anymore) was correct. You seemed to be always bigging him up while the majority of posters were fed up of a striker who didn't strike. Your affections then seemed to have transferred to Newell and while the majority of views being he's not good enough you just disagreed. Your continued support can be described as admiral but there is part of me that thinks its just a typical football fan view by someone who is either blinded by his rose coloured spectacles or a brilliant Troll.

Take your pick.

Called a troll and insulted for supporting our players. What can you do eh. Brilliant.

Newell is not playing badly this season. Many things point to that being the case. Certainly not anything like deserving of the abuse he gets. Don't really care to say anymore on it, utterly pointless

[hibsbollah]

I think your argument would work better if Christian was actually scoring goals at Killmarnock. The fact that he's not scored any surely proves that what others were saying (namely he's not that good (anymore) was correct. You seemed to be always bigging him up while the majority of posters were fed up of a striker who didn't strike. Your affections then seemed to have transferred to Newell and while the majority of views being he's not good enough you just disagreed. Your continued support can be described as admiral but there is part of me that thinks its just a typical football fan view by someone who is either blinded by his rose coloured spectacles or a brilliant Troll.

Take your pick.

I disagree with MW about lots of things but there’s been a ridiculous amount of snide comments aimed at him recently and when you look at quite a few threads at the minute there seems to be unnecessary arguments and backbiting which seem to relate to little vendettas from other threads. I’m not accusing you personally, it’s just a wider depressing pattern.

I’m not sure what the mods can do about it when so many posters seem to have decided to use this place as somewhere to get rid of their pent up frustrations instead of what it’s supposed to be for :dunno:

[blackpoolhibs]

I think your last sentence is part of the issue, no matter how he plays he starts the following game. I’m not suggesting he goes out not caring if he has a bad game but he knows no matter what he’ll be picked for the next game.

Probably because we've nobody any better.

[Hector Mudflap]

Called a troll and insulted for supporting our players. What can you do eh. Brilliant.

Newell is not playing badly this season. Many things point to that being the case. Certainly not anything like deserving of the abuse he gets. Don't really care to say anymore on it, utterly pointless

It IS utterly pointless , your views or my own are just that. They won't affect anything and certainly not wether Newell is playing next week (we all know he will be)
I am pointing out that you have constantly opposed the majority view and you are perfectly entitled to do so. This is a board for view points of fans of the same club. You may well have taken umbrage at the last line but I stand by the facts I mentioned.
You stood vehemently behind Doidge when he was not performing and again with Newell. This to me (and I stress it's my opinion) is either the work of a dedicated and thus blinkered fanatical supporter of the team who refuses to see the obvious - or a brilliant troll.

If nothing else your posts generate discussion which is what a great chat board needs.
I have nothing against you personally as I have never met you.
The people I sit next to and near at ER I consider friends and we disagree on a number of things (not Doidge or Newell as it happens) but we don't fall out.
We are there - so we all realise that we want the same thing.

So if you break it all down,
I think you are a true 100% dedicated fan or Brilliant
Both compliments.

[Scottie]

Probably because we've nobody any better.
Which highlights what a terrible state our football club is in if he is the best midfielder we have at the club.

[Hector Mudflap]

I disagree with MW about lots of things but there’s been a ridiculous amount of snide comments aimed at him recently and when you look at quite a few threads at the minute there seems to be unnecessary arguments and backbiting which seem to relate to little vendettas from other threads. I’m not accusing you personally, it’s just a wider depressing pattern.

I’m not sure what the mods can do about it when so many posters seem to have decided to use this place as somewhere to get rid of their pent up frustrations instead of what it’s supposed to be for :dunno:

I dont mind if you are aiming that at me I really don't. You are entitled to your opinion ! It's a board for views and sometimes I think that people (definitely myself included) get a bt fed up of the totally blinkered rose coloured spectacle happy clapper approach. We all (bar any trolls) want the same thing - A better Hibs team. In fact I don't care about the "better" just one that wins regardless of how crap we are. I would rather lose 1- 0 than 6-1 if you get my drift. I call it as I see it. I am sure I am in the majority when I called for Doidge to be dropped or Newell to be dropped or Nish or Arthur Duncan whomever when they are simply not performing. There is a certain truth in harassing the team on the park will not ever have the desired affect of making a player better but after the game negative discussion is part and parcel. I doubt any of those players are sitting here reading posts and crying into their Gucci slippers.
If the board isn't for getting rid of pent up frustrations then whats it for? The board is busiest after heavy defeats or heavy wins. Thats because we all get angry and want to tell everyone else why we lost - we are all frustrated players and managers.

Who doesn't think that Youan and Newell should have been dragged off at Ibrox? Who doesn't think that Henderson was the exact opposite of what was needed there. Who doesn't think Mckirdy deserves a run in the team? Who doesn't think that Hanlon needs a rest ? Who doesn't ask why have we got such fantastic youth players when they never get a game in front of some absolute dross? Wayne Rooney was a first team player at 16.

All popular views. (well maybe Mckirdy is a shaky one though I like a lot about him)

Frustration released.
All good again.

[hibsbollah]

I dont mind if you are aiming that at me I really don't. You are entitled to your opinion ! It's a board for views and sometimes I think that people (definitely myself included) get a bt fed up of the totally blinkered rose coloured spectacle happy clapper approach. We all (bar any trolls) want the same thing - A better Hibs team. In fact I don't care about the "better" just one that wins regardless of how crap we are. I would rather lose 1- 0 than 6-1 if you get my drift. I call it as I see it. I am sure I am in the majority when I called for Doidge to be dropped or Newell to be dropped or Nish or Arthur Duncan whomever when they are simply not performing. There is a certain truth in harassing the team on the park will not ever have the desired affect of making a player better but after the game negative discussion is part and parcel. I doubt any of those players are sitting here reading posts and crying into their Gucci slippers.
If the board isn't for getting rid of pent up frustrations then whats it for? The board is busiest after heavy defeats or heavy wins. Thats because we all get angry and want to tell everyone else why we lost - we are all frustrated players and managers.

Who doesn't think that Youan and Newell should have been dragged off at Ibrox? Who doesn't think that Henderson was the exact opposite of what was needed there. Who doesn't think Mckirdy deserves a run in the team? Who doesn't think that Hanlon needs a rest ? Who doesn't ask why have we got such fantastic youth players when they never get a game in front of some absolute dross? Wayne Rooney was a first team player at 16.

All popular views. (well maybe Mckirdy is a shaky one though I like a lot about him)

Frustration released.
All good again.

Fair enough.
Maybe it’s just me and I need a break from the place.

[matty_f]

I dont mind if you are aiming that at me I really don't. You are entitled to your opinion ! It's a board for views and sometimes I think that people (definitely myself included) get a bt fed up of the totally blinkered rose coloured spectacle happy clapper approach. We all (bar any trolls) want the same thing - A better Hibs team. In fact I don't care about the "better" just one that wins regardless of how crap we are. I would rather lose 1- 0 than 6-1 if you get my drift. I call it as I see it. I am sure I am in the majority when I called for Doidge to be dropped or Newell to be dropped or Nish or Arthur Duncan whomever when they are simply not performing. There is a certain truth in harassing the team on the park will not ever have the desired affect of making a player better but after the game negative discussion is part and parcel. I doubt any of those players are sitting here reading posts and crying into their Gucci slippers.
If the board isn't for getting rid of pent up frustrations then whats it for? The board is busiest after heavy defeats or heavy wins. Thats because we all get angry and want to tell everyone else why we lost - we are all frustrated players and managers.

Who doesn't think that Youan and Newell should have been dragged off at Ibrox? Who doesn't think that Henderson was the exact opposite of what was needed there. Who doesn't think Mckirdy deserves a run in the team? Who doesn't think that Hanlon needs a rest ? Who doesn't ask why have we got such fantastic youth players when they never get a game in front of some absolute dross? Wayne Rooney was a first team player at 16.

All popular views. (well maybe Mckirdy is a shaky one though I like a lot about him)

Frustration released.
All good again.

That's fair enough, have you ever considered that the folk you call happy clappers are just calling it as they see it as well?

[Tyler Durden]

FWIW I agree with lots of MW's posts. Lots of other people probably do too, he's far from a troll.

I simply can't be bothered posting when most of the arguments have been done to death. Like Joe Newell again.... Some people would maintain that he was rubbish when we finished 3rd, which to me is pretty bonkers. They'll say he's never played well when Hibs were behind or under the cosh... despite having been given plenty of examples to the contrary.

Newell is now in a very poor run of form and I doubt anyone would dispute that.

[matty_f]

FWIW I agree with lots of MW's posts. Lots of other people probably do too, he's far from a troll.

I simply can't be bothered posting when most of the arguments have been done to death. Like Joe Newell again.... Some people would maintain that he was rubbish when we finished 3rd, which to me is pretty bonkers. They'll say he's never played well when Hibs were behind or under the cosh... despite having been given plenty of examples to the contrary.

Newell is now in a very poor run of form and I doubt anyone would dispute that.
:agree:

[The Modfather]

FWIW I agree with lots of MW's posts. Lots of other people probably do too, he's far from a troll.

I simply can't be bothered posting when most of the arguments have been done to death. Like Joe Newell again.... Some people would maintain that he was rubbish when we finished 3rd, which to me is pretty bonkers. They'll say he's never played well when Hibs were behind or under the cosh... despite having been given plenty of examples to the contrary.

Newell is now in a very poor run of form and I doubt anyone would dispute that.

I think we still had the same issues in midfield the season we finished 3rd as we do today. I always felt we were closer to finishing 3rd despite the midfield rather than because of it and we almost sacrificed the midfield for more gains elsewhere. In fairness we often played with a 2 so Newell & Gogic were outnumbered in a lot of games. Gogic actually played the most games and minutes of our midfielders that season. It was still the correct decision to move him on the following season though IMO.

Newell & Magennis are still here from that season, and Magennis is still injury prone and Newell still inconsistent.

[Lago]

I dont mind if you are aiming that at me I really don't. You are entitled to your opinion ! It's a board for views and sometimes I think that people (definitely myself included) get a bt fed up of the totally blinkered rose coloured spectacle happy clapper approach. We all (bar any trolls) want the same thing - A better Hibs team. In fact I don't care about the "better" just one that wins regardless of how crap we are. I would rather lose 1- 0 than 6-1 if you get my drift. I call it as I see it. I am sure I am in the majority when I called for Doidge to be dropped or Newell to be dropped or Nish or Arthur Duncan whomever when they are simply not performing. There is a certain truth in harassing the team on the park will not ever have the desired affect of making a player better but after the game negative discussion is part and parcel. I doubt any of those players are sitting here reading posts and crying into their Gucci slippers.
If the board isn't for getting rid of pent up frustrations then whats it for? The board is busiest after heavy defeats or heavy wins. Thats because we all get angry and want to tell everyone else why we lost - we are all frustrated players and managers.

Who doesn't think that Youan and Newell should have been dragged off at Ibrox? Who doesn't think that Henderson was the exact opposite of what was needed there. Who doesn't think Mckirdy deserves a run in the team? Who doesn't think that Hanlon needs a rest ? Who doesn't ask why have we got such fantastic youth players when they never get a game in front of some absolute dross? Wayne Rooney was a first team player at 16.

All popular views. (well maybe Mckirdy is a shaky one though I like a lot about him)

Frustration released.
All good again.

Where's all this happy clapping you talk about? Not seen much of that around Hibs for some time.

[CapitalGreen]

I think we still had the same issues in midfield the season we finished 3rd as we do today. I always felt we were closer to finishing 3rd despite the midfield rather than because of it and we almost sacrificed the midfield for more gains elsewhere. In fairness we often played with a 2 so Newell & Gogic were outnumbered in a lot of games. Gogic actually played the most games and minutes of our midfielders that season. It was still the correct decision to move him on the following season though IMO.

Newell & Magennis are still here from that season, and Magennis is still injury prone and Newell still inconsistent.

:agree: On 19 occasions during 2020/21 we conceded the first goal. In those 19 games, we only end up getting anything out of the game 5 times and 2 of those were against part-timers. This problem still exists today, without the benefit of playing against 10 men, we haven’t taken anything from any game this season in which we have conceded first.

[stantonhibby]

:agree: On 19 occasions during 2020/21 we conceded the first goal. In those 19 games, we only end up getting anything out of the game 5 times and 2 of those were against part-timers. This problem still exists today, without the benefit of playing against 10 men, we haven’t taken anything from any game this season in which we have conceded first.

1-1 v Hearts

[CapitalGreen]

1-1 v Hearts

Good shout, 1 occasion out of 10.

[Hector Mudflap]

That's fair enough, have you ever considered that the folk you call happy clappers are just calling it as they see it as well?


No, because I am blinkered in my view as MWHIBBIES is in his.

:na na:


(though I know I'm right :aok: )

[Tyler Durden]

:agree: On 19 occasions during 2020/21 we conceded the first goal. In those 19 games, we only end up getting anything out of the game 5 times and 2 of those were against part-timers. This problem still exists today, without the benefit of playing against 10 men, we haven’t taken anything from any game this season in which we have conceded first.

Your stats for 20/21 aren't right. We came from behind to win points at least 5 times in the league alone.

Regardless it's kind of missing my point. The team was set up in a certain way that season by Jack Ross. The centre of midfield was not there to score goals or provide assists. It worked well overall, even if not always great to watch.

Whatever failings we had then or now are as a team collectively. In the 20/21 season, Joe Newell did a specific job that the coach asked of him.

This season he has changed his game as directed and was doing a decent job IMO until the last 5 or 6 games. We've been rubbish since then and again it's a collective thing. Newell could have no complaints if dropped or sold.... same could be said of Cadden, Cabraja, Hanlon, Porteous.

[Tyler Durden]

I think we still had the same issues in midfield the season we finished 3rd as we do today. I always felt we were closer to finishing 3rd despite the midfield rather than because of it and we almost sacrificed the midfield for more gains elsewhere. In fairness we often played with a 2 so Newell & Gogic were outnumbered in a lot of games. Gogic actually played the most games and minutes of our midfielders that season. It was still the correct decision to move him on the following season though IMO.

Newell & Magennis are still here from that season, and Magennis is still injury prone and Newell still inconsistent.

I don't think we have the same issues. The midfield that season worked well.

Big issue that goes unspoken is that we lost Jackson Irvine and never replaced him. He wasn't perfect but he did a great job in various different midfield roles. Prior to Boyle's injury this year, we could have done a lot worse than structure the team similarly to 20/21. Boyle wide, 2 strikers up front and a functional other 3 in midfield to do the dirty work.

[CapitalGreen]

Your stats for 20/21 aren't right. We came from behind to win points at least 5 times in the league alone.


I didn’t say coming from behind, I said conceding the first goal.

[The Modfather]

I don't think we have the same issues. The midfield that season worked well.

Big issue that goes unspoken is that we lost Jackson Irvine and never replaced him. He wasn't perfect but he did a great job in various different midfield roles. Prior to Boyle's injury this year, we could have done a lot worse than structure the team similarly to 20/21. Boyle wide, 2 strikers up front and a functional other 3 in midfield to do the dirty work.

Fair enough, not sure we see the midfield or that season the same way, but that’s fine. I think Doig was a big part of why the lopsided 442 worked as he was able to cover the full length of the left hand side on his own. We don’t have another Doig unfortunately.

[Tyler Durden]

I didn’t say coming from behind, I said conceding the first goal.

Ok....

So if you are suggesting that there are parallels between that season and this season, it's a bit of a stretch for me. We don't react well when we lose the first goal? We have a different coach and almost entirely different personnel that have played this season to date. Does that really reflect on Newell or "the midfield"?

Really the only players who are constant in the period are Newell, Hanlon and Porteous. I would agree that they've all lacked leadership and a winning mentality. But this season's team have been set up in a completely different approach from 20/21. Again - it's a collective failure.

[Tyler Durden]

Fair enough, not sure we see the midfield or that season the same way, but that’s fine. I think Doig was a big part of why the lopsided 442 worked as he was able to cover the full length of the left hand side on his own. We don’t have another Doig unfortunately.

I wouldn't disagree - to be fair to Jack Ross, he set up that team to play to strengths. Which were Doig, Boyle and a motivated and consistent front pairing.

We've not had anywhere near the balance in the team, or the consistent attacking threat since that season finished.

[Key West]

Newell is neither the best or worst midfielder at Hibs but the frustration with most of us is that he isn't the best he can be, he needs to be more influential in terms of assists and goals, you could though say that about a lot of others, he's definitely good enough to play in the present first eleven he's not keeping out players like Scott Brown, Russell Latapy or John Collins and in context he's not much different from other SPL midfielders who are equally as dull, competent and average, it's really up to him to bring his best game to the table.

[FitbaFolkKen]

I disagree with MW about lots of things but there’s been a ridiculous amount of snide comments aimed at him recently and when you look at quite a few threads at the minute there seems to be unnecessary arguments and backbiting which seem to relate to little vendettas from other threads. I’m not accusing you personally, it’s just a wider depressing pattern.

I’m not sure what the mods can do about it when so many posters seem to have decided to use this place as somewhere to get rid of their pent up frustrations instead of what it’s supposed to be for :dunno:

Agreed, he sticks up for the team and players. Some might say he supports them.

I’m all for over enthusiastic hopeful expectations of players, let’s big them up instead of dragging them down.


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[FitbaFolkKen]

It IS utterly pointless , your views or my own are just that. They won't affect anything and certainly not wether Newell is playing next week (we all know he will be)
I am pointing out that you have constantly opposed the majority view and you are perfectly entitled to do so. This is a board for view points of fans of the same club. You may well have taken umbrage at the last line but I stand by the facts I mentioned.
You stood vehemently behind Doidge when he was not performing and again with Newell. This to me (and I stress it's my opinion) is either the work of a dedicated and thus blinkered fanatical supporter of the team who refuses to see the obvious - or a brilliant troll.

If nothing else your posts generate discussion which is what a great chat board needs.
I have nothing against you personally as I have never met you.
The people I sit next to and near at ER I consider friends and we disagree on a number of things (not Doidge or Newell as it happens) but we don't fall out.
We are there - so we all realise that we want the same thing.

So if you break it all down,
I think you are a true 100% dedicated fan or Brilliant
Both compliments.

It isn’t pointless, look at Rocky’s reactio to social media in the summer. Are you telling me Newell is oblivious to this? Surely some supportive voices are to be encouraged not mocked?


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[MWHIBBIES]

It IS utterly pointless , your views or my own are just that. They won't affect anything and certainly not wether Newell is playing next week (we all know he will be)
I am pointing out that you have constantly opposed the majority view and you are perfectly entitled to do so. This is a board for view points of fans of the same club. You may well have taken umbrage at the last line but I stand by the facts I mentioned.
You stood vehemently behind Doidge when he was not performing and again with Newell. This to me (and I stress it's my opinion) is either the work of a dedicated and thus blinkered fanatical supporter of the team who refuses to see the obvious - or a brilliant troll.

If nothing else your posts generate discussion which is what a great chat board needs.
I have nothing against you personally as I have never met you.
The people I sit next to and near at ER I consider friends and we disagree on a number of things (not Doidge or Newell as it happens) but we don't fall out.
We are there - so we all realise that we want the same thing.

So if you break it all down,
I think you are a true 100% dedicated fan or Brilliant
Both compliments.

The majority voted for Brexit. The majority can be absolute idiots. There was a time the majority on here didn't rate the likes of Fyvie. Thought Ambrose would be an awful signing etc. It's a echo chamber on here. Someone says something untrue like Newell isn't interested when the going gets tough, and then it just gets peddled constantly. If he had a skinhead, played for st Johnstone and had a decent game against us, the majority would want him signed. That isn't insight and it's certainly not something worth agreeing with because a majority believe it.

I post my own view, I don't care about the majority. And I back it up far better than the majority on here.

[JimBHibees]

It isn’t pointless, look at Rocky’s reactio to social media in the summer. Are you telling me Newell is oblivious to this? Surely some supportive voices are to be encouraged not mocked?


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Yep Rockys comments should have said it all. Players are human in a notoriously fickle industry. The joys of social media in that individuals get to say what they want in a way they wouldn't dare say too the persons face. Of course people and fans are allowed to have opinions but there is a line which is frequently overstepped.

[JimBHibees]

Rangers 2-2

Technically correct answer we were playing against 9 players. :greengrin

[Smartie]

It isn’t pointless, look at Rocky’s reactio to social media in the summer. Are you telling me Newell is oblivious to this? Surely some supportive voices are to be encouraged not mocked?


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Not sure how great an example it is to bring Rocky in when we're talking about slaughtering players.

He was slaughtered, wondered why everyone hated him then absolutely knocked his pan in to become our best defender this season.

If you got a reaction like that every time it would vindicate giving players abuse.

In general though, players don't respond positively to abuse, and neither they should.

[FitbaFolkKen]

Not sure how great an example it is to bring Rocky in when we're talking about slaughtering players.

He was slaughtered, wondered why everyone hated him then absolutely knocked his pan in to become our best defender this season.

If you got a reaction like that every time it would vindicate giving players abuse.

In general though, players don't respond positively to abuse, and neither they should.

Rocky is the perfect example.

He was slaughtered, then the club and Rocky made it known it was impacting the player. Then he started getting positive reactions from support on social. Then he started playing better, likely the sum of all parts.

Maybe the fan base could look at that situation and consider that we could drag players up instead of drowning them in negativity.


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[cameronw-hfc]

Rocky is the perfect example.

He was slaughtered, then the club and Rocky made it known it was impacting the player. Then he started getting positive reactions from support on social. Then he started playing better, likely the sum of all parts.

Maybe the fan base could look at that situation and consider that we could drag players up instead of drowning them in negativity.


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100%. People expect footballers to perform when half the fanbase is slaughtering them, they're not robots.

[J-C]

100%. People expect footballers to perform when half the fanbase is slaughtering them, they're not robots.


Peter Crouch was.

[loanheadhibby]

The majority voted for Brexit. The majority can be absolute idiots. There was a time the majority on here didn't rate the likes of Fyvie. Thought Ambrose would be an awful signing etc. It's a echo chamber on here. Someone says something untrue like Newell isn't interested when the going gets tough, and then it just gets peddled constantly. If he had a skinhead, played for st Johnstone and had a decent game against us, the majority would want him signed. That isn't insight and it's certainly not something worth agreeing with because a majority believe it.

I post my own view, I don't care about the majority. And I back it up far better than the majority on here.

Of course you post your own view like everyone else on here and so you should.
I don't agree with you 're Doidge and Newell but don't want you to change your views.
Not sure what you mean about backing up your opinions more than most.

[paddy1875]

The majority voted for Brexit. The majority can be absolute idiots. There was a time the majority on here didn't rate the likes of Fyvie. Thought Ambrose would be an awful signing etc. It's a echo chamber on here. Someone says something untrue like Newell isn't interested when the going gets tough, and then it just gets peddled constantly. If he had a skinhead, played for st Johnstone and had a decent game against us, the majority would want him signed. That isn't insight and it's certainly not something worth agreeing with because a majority believe it.

I post my own view, I don't care about the majority. And I back it up far better than the majority on here.

The skinhead joe newell would have hairy joe newell beat in the tunnel.

Only joking mate.

But seriously I think everyone’s frustration is we know he can be decent. He’s just not shown it often enough over his time here. Doubled up with him being a mainstay in our midfield since he arrived.

How many semi finals and finals have passed him by since he’s been here.


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[MWHIBBIES]

The skinhead joe newell would have hairy joe newell beat in the tunnel.

Only joking mate.

But seriously I think everyone’s frustration is we know he can be decent. He’s just not shown it often enough over his time here. Doubled up with him being a mainstay in our midfield since he arrived.

How many semi finals and finals have passed him by since he’s been here.


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How many have we got to since he's been here? He certainly played well in both semis Vs Hearts, although a daft red card in the most recent won. His good work should've won us the COVID one.

I mean, he's been more influential than Boyle in these semis and finals, barring the obvious Rangers hatrick (Joe was very good in that game too, corner lead to the first, good play for the second) yet he's our darling who can do no wrong.

[Paulie Walnuts]

How many have we got to since he's been here? He certainly played well in both semis Vs Hearts, although a daft red card in the most recent won. His good work should've won us the COVID one.

I mean, he's been more influential than Boyle in these semis and finals, barring the obvious Rangers hatrick (Joe was very good in that game too, corner lead to the first, good play for the second) yet he's our darling who can do no wrong.

Of course Joe Newell has been more influential if you take Boyles hatrick out the equation.

That hatrick won us the only one of the 3 games that we’ve won though, so it’s absolutely ludicrous to just not consider it. The only reason that would ever make any sense is if you desperately want to make an argument as to how good Joe Newell was (which I think you’re already over egging for the two hearts games anyway).

What if we say ‘barring Joe Newells assist’ but including Boyles hatrick? The picture looks wildly different then.

[MWHIBBIES]

Of course Joe Newell has been more influential if you take Boyles hatrick out the equation.

That hatrick won us the only one of the 3 games that we’ve won though, so it’s absolutely ludicrous to just not consider it. The only reason that would ever make any sense is if you desperately want to make an argument as to how good Joe Newell was (which I think you’re already over egging for the two hearts games anyway).

I didn't say that, though. Boyle was brilliant that day. Mostly useless in the other Hampden matches in his years here. Newell struggling there is hardly unique to him.

[paddy1875]

How many have we got to since he's been here? He certainly played well in both semis Vs Hearts, although a daft red card in the most recent won. His good work should've won us the COVID one.

I mean, he's been more influential than Boyle in these semis and finals, barring the obvious Rangers hatrick (Joe was very good in that game too, corner lead to the first, good play for the second) yet he's our darling who can do no wrong.

I think we’ve been in 4 semi finals and 2 finals since he arrived?

And to be fair the only real note I can remember of joe newell in all of these is the red card against hearts when we were really pushing for a equaliser and 2 humiliating exits against st Johnstone when he’s went missing.

He did play well against rangers in that 3-1 win tho as you say but Boyle took all the plaudits.

Maybe I’m being to harsh on him. I just think if you really want to move in the right direction joe newell shouldn’t be our first name on the team sheet.

I’d maybe put it down to him coming in right after McGinn who was everything in the centre of the park. A once every decade player.


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[Brightside]

Yep Rockys comments should have said it all. Players are human in a notoriously fickle industry. The joys of social media in that individuals get to say what they want in a way they wouldn't dare say too the persons face. Of course people and fans are allowed to have opinions but there is a line which is frequently overstepped.

Joe Newell doesn't look at Hibs.net. he didn't even know it existed, he also doesn't search out his name on Twitter etc so I think he will be fine. He will be well aware that people mouthing off on socials are pretty much brain dead idiots.

[RIP]

100%. People expect footballers to perform when half the fanbase is slaughtering them, they're not robots.

It's not half the fan base though!

Only a tiny % of supporters that attend games slag off our own players. (Ryan, please remember that when running the full length of the pitch to finger your ear).

There's three or four threads about individual players that are kept alive by a small handful of posters whose sole purpose in life appears to be to drag morale down. Never in a million years could these posters earn the honourable title of a Hibs supporter.

Tam Mcmanus is banging on in the press today about social media and fan negativity. Yet at the games I attend, our support actually works hard to lift the team.

It's almost as if there's a battle for hearts and minds looming amongst our support between faceless online critics and those who believe we should get fully behind the club during tough times?

[GreenGray]

The skinhead joe newell would have hairy joe newell beat in the tunnel.

Only joking mate.

But seriously I think everyone’s frustration is we know he can be decent. He’s just not shown it often enough over his time here. Doubled up with him being a mainstay in our midfield since he arrived.

How many semi finals and finals have passed him by since he’s been here.


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Newell always seems to cop the flack for these games for some reason. Like the whole team didn’t underperform.


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[the_ginger_hibee]

The majority voted for Brexit. The majority can be absolute idiots. There was a time the majority on here didn't rate the likes of Fyvie. Thought Ambrose would be an awful signing etc. It's a echo chamber on here. Someone says something untrue like Newell isn't interested when the going gets tough, and then it just gets peddled constantly. If he had a skinhead, played for st Johnstone and had a decent game against us, the majority would want him signed. That isn't insight and it's certainly not something worth agreeing with because a majority believe it.

I post my own view, I don't care about the majority. And I back it up far better than the majority on here.

So do we hate him because he's English or because he has fancy hair?

Let me know so I can burn a St George's Cross or a bottle of Head and Shoulders in protest. Thanks.

[B.H.F.C]

It's not half the fan base though!

Only a tiny % of supporters that attend games slag off our own players. (Ryan, please remember that when running the full length of the pitch to finger your ear).

There's three or four threads about individual players that are kept alive by a small handful of posters whose sole purpose in life appears to be to drag morale down. Never in a million years could these posters earn the honourable title of a Hibs supporter.

Tam Mcmanus is banging on in the press today about social media and fan negativity. Yet at the games I attend, our support actually works hard to lift the team.

It's almost as if there's a battle for hearts and minds looming amongst our support between faceless online critics and those who believe we should get fully behind the club during tough times?

Think our support has held up unbelievably well this year. Somehow we’re managing to take bigger numbers to away games week in, week out.

I think a lot of the people having a bit of a moan on here are actually people that are watching it week in, week out as opposed to being faceless online critics. There are some notoriously ‘negative’ posters on here who are at every game. I’d probably include myself as being on the negative side but it’s only as a result of what I’m watching. We’ve won 9 league games in 2022 so there isn’t a whole lot to be positive about. I just think we’re at a point where any criticism is now been labelled as abuse and there is a big difference between the two things IMO.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Think our support has held up unbelievably well this year. Somehow we’re managing to take bigger numbers to away games week in, week out.

I think a lot of the people having a bit of a moan on here are actually people that are watching it week in, week out as opposed to being faceless online critics. There are some notoriously ‘negative’ posters on here who are at every game. I’d probably include myself as being on the negative side but it’s only as a result of what I’m watching. We’ve won 9 league games in 2022 so there isn’t a whole lot to be positive about. I just think we’re at a point where any criticism is now been labelled as abuse and there is a big difference between the two things IMO.

Agree with your last sentence.

The amount of times I’ve seen extremely valid criticisms have the Rocky situation in the summer brought up is getting silly now.

[CapitalGreen]

Think our support has held up unbelievably well this year. Somehow we’re managing to take bigger numbers to away games week in, week out.

I think a lot of the people having a bit of a moan on here are actually people that are watching it week in, week out as opposed to being faceless online critics. There are some notoriously ‘negative’ posters on here who are at every game. I’d probably include myself as being on the negative side but it’s only as a result of what I’m watching. We’ve won 9 league games in 2022 so there isn’t a whole lot to be positive about. I just think we’re at a point where any criticism is now been labelled as abuse and there is a big difference between the two things IMO.

It’s easier for people to just accuse others of abuse (or even racism in some cases) rather than defend the performances of our experienced players like Newell over the last 12+ months.

[paddy1875]

Newell always seems to cop the flack for these games for some reason. Like the whole team didn’t underperform.


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It’s only because he’s the mainstay in the centre of the park.

He’s also got ability and we’ve all seen it. He doesn’t show it often enough.


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[FitbaFolkKen]

Agree with your last sentence.

The amount of times I’ve seen extremely valid criticisms have the Rocky situation in the summer brought up is getting silly now.

Don't agree with this at all.

Where do wage thief, charlatan, fraud, non trier factor in that?

Constructive criticism. Newell lost his man one game and the opposition scored, Rangers I think. Absolutely he should have done better. But it doesn't mean that he isn't trying etc....

I think there is a real difference between performance-based criticism and personal. The comments above are all personal whereas specifically saying, it was poor challenge that got him sent off versus Hearts or he should've been tighter on his man in that corner are all performance-specific comments.

The valid criticism will get mired in amongst all the personal garbage that is posted.

[FitbaFolkKen]

It’s easier for people to just accuse others of abuse (or even racism in some cases) rather than defend the performances of our experienced players like Newell over the last 12+ months.

Giving people grief for trying to get supporters to stop abusing our own players? I'm not interesting in changing peoples views on players, nothing I say will do that, if you don't rate Joe then that is fair enough. You aren't telling me the threads don't descend into abuse though.

[hibsbollah]

It’s easier for people to just accuse others of abuse (or even racism in some cases) rather than defend the performances of our experienced players like Newell over the last 12+ months.

Im not sure what this post means. Especially since there ARE examples of Newell getting called all sorts. So ‘ease’ doesn’t come into it.

[cameronw-hfc]

It's not half the fan base though!

Only a tiny % of supporters that attend games slag off our own players. (Ryan, please remember that when running the full length of the pitch to finger your ear).

There's three or four threads about individual players that are kept alive by a small handful of posters whose sole purpose in life appears to be to drag morale down. Never in a million years could these posters earn the honourable title of a Hibs supporter.

Tam Mcmanus is banging on in the press today about social media and fan negativity. Yet at the games I attend, our support actually works hard to lift the team.

It's almost as if there's a battle for hearts and minds looming amongst our support between faceless online critics and those who believe we should get fully behind the club during tough times?


Tam, the guy that said Cabraja was a massive disappointment and Lewis is a better player despite Caby dealing with his dad dying? Bit rich for him to be talking about negativity. He's had a chip on his shoulder since the club sacked him in the summer.

Edit- I also don't believe it's a tiny %. I've not been to a game this season due to financial reasons, but last season there were times it felt like everyone around me had it out for Rocky and Newell, regardless of what they had done. I don't think it's all of our fans, but even a vocal minority can be detrimental, and there's most definitely a toxic vocal minority at least on socials these days whenever Hibs are involved. It's the same few people posting, but imagine being a player seeing someone post that you're a wage thief and the post getting 200/300 likes? Would deflate anyone.

Rocky situation as some have mentioned is the perfect example. Struggled last season and played through injury a lot, got dogs abuse, came back and the club mentioned he had asked why the fans hate him, fans got behind him and look at him now. Would be nice if we could be consistent about it either than going and giving players the exact types of dogs abuse we have already seen can bother players.

I've nothing wrong with folk not rating newell, but I jump in when it's abuse, ie, wage thief, imposter comments etc, or the blatant lies claiming he doesn't work hard.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Tam, the guy that said Cabraja was a massive disappointment and Lewis is a better player despite Caby dealing with his dad dying? Bit rich for him to be talking about negativity. He's had a chip on his shoulder since the club sacked him in the summer.

Edit- I also don't believe it's a tiny %. I've not been to a game this season due to financial reasons, but last season there were times it felt like everyone around me had it out for Rocky and Newell, regardless of what they had done. I don't think it's all of our fans, but even a vocal minority can be detrimental, and there's most definitely a toxic vocal minority at least on socials these days whenever Hibs are involved. It's the same few people posting, but imagine being a player seeing someone post that you're a wage thief and the post getting 200/300 likes? Would deflate anyone.

Rocky situation as some have mentioned is the perfect example. Struggled last season and played through injury a lot, got dogs abuse, came back and the club mentioned he had asked why the fans hate him, fans got behind him and look at him now. Would be nice if we could be consistent about it either than going and giving players the exact types of dogs abuse we have already seen can bother players.

I've nothing wrong with folk not rating newell, but I jump in when it's abuse, ie, wage thief, imposter comments etc, or the blatant lies claiming he doesn't work hard.

Given the absolute garbage they’ve served up to us the support the team has had this season at games has been extraordinary

[Hibiza]

The skinhead joe newell would have hairy joe newell beat in the tunnel.

Only joking mate.

But seriously I think everyone’s frustration is we know he can be decent. He’s just not shown it often enough over his time here. Doubled up with him being a mainstay in our midfield since he arrived.

How many semi finals and finals have passed him by since he’s been here.


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His Hampden appearances have been ( like most his games ) woeful .

[FitbaFolkKen]

Given the absolute garbage they’ve served up to us the support the team has had this season at games has been extraordinary

By that rational they are lucky the abuse hasn’t been worse.

Being ***** at your job shouldn’t result in personal abuse. If you don’t agree with that premise then it’s a complete waste of time engaging with you.


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[cameronw-hfc]

Given the absolute garbage they’ve served up to us the support the team has had this season at games has been extraordinary

Doesn't excuse the abuse on socials because they've had a few cheers when they don't deserve it at games.

[MWHIBBIES]

His Hampden appearances have been ( like most his games ) woeful .

Have they, though?

I mean, won a penalty and played well vs Hearts in that defeat.
St Johnstone ones, everyone was awful.
Dundee United one he was fine, we won.
Rangers one, excellent.
Celtic final, certainly struggled, woeful a strong word though.
Hearts last season he was good until the red card, which was a poor error.

Its just nonsense most of his games are woeful. Not backed up by anything (shocker)

[Zambernardi1875]

Have they, though?

I mean, won a penalty and played well vs Hearts in that defeat.
St Johnstone ones, everyone was awful.
Dundee United one he was fine, we won.
Rangers one, excellent.
Celtic final, certainly struggled, woeful a strong word though.
Hearts last season he was good until the red card, which was a poor error.

Its just nonsense most of his games are woeful. Not backed up by anything (shocker)

so v saints awful
utd just fine
rangers excellent
celtic struggled
hearts red card

so in youre own words thats 1 game out of 5 he was better than average. :wink:

edit more than 5 games, i missed hearts and st johnstone others,

[cameronw-hfc]

Have they, though?

I mean, won a penalty and played well vs Hearts in that defeat.
St Johnstone ones, everyone was awful.
Dundee United one he was fine, we won.
Rangers one, excellent.
Celtic final, certainly struggled, woeful a strong word though.
Hearts last season he was good until the red card, which was a poor error.

Its just nonsense most of his games are woeful. Not backed up by anything (shocker)


I mind a poster arguing with me saying he has one good game in 10. Given he's played close to/over 100 games for us, thay would mean he's only had 10 good games 😂😂.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Doesn't excuse the abuse on socials because they've had a few cheers when they don't deserve it at games.

You mentioned fans having it out for Newell and Rocky last season at games but that you haven’t been this season. At games this season the fans have been superb despite the fact we’ve had nothing to shout about.

[Paulie Walnuts]

By that rational they are lucky the abuse hasn’t been worse.

Being ***** at your job shouldn’t result in personal abuse. If you don’t agree with that premise then it’s a complete waste of time engaging with you.


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The poster suggested there was an issue at games last season. This season the fans have been exceptional. That’s all my post said. Nobody mentioned them being lucky not to be getting abuse apart from you.

[MWHIBBIES]

so v saints awful
utd just fine
rangers excellent
celtic struggled
hearts red card

so in youre own words thats 1 game out of 5 he was better than average. :wink:

edit more than 5 games, i missed hearts and st johnstone others,

Yes. Same as Boyle at Hampden really. Infact, that's closer to 1 in 10 probably. Same as Hibs in general at Hampden. This isn't some Joe Newell problem.

[cameronw-hfc]

The poster suggested there was an issue at games last season. This season the fans have been exceptional. That’s all my post said. Nobody mentioned them being lucky not to be getting abuse apart from you.

I was suggesting there's an issue overall, not specifically at games, I only mentioned my experience at games because I knew there would be a comment about how social media doesn't represent most of the fans, so mentioned I've seen it both ways.

[cabbageandribs1875]

whether he's good or not on the field he and david marshall are both helping out on xmas day with the community dinner so well done everyone that's helping out :agree:


they could maybe run a raffle with the prize of getting to touch joe's hair :greengrin

[angus hibby]

whether he's good or not on the field he and david marshall are both helping out on xmas day with the community dinner so well done everyone that's helping out :agree:


they could maybe run a raffle with the prize of getting to touch joe's hair :greengrin

Brilliant from both players, giving up part of Christmas Day with their families to do this.

And for what it’s worth, the criticism Newell gets is ridiculous IMO. Would be the one of the first names in my starting 11 if I was picking a Hibs team at the moment!

[RIP]

If I am being honest, Hibs have been a fairly average league side in the sixty one years since my first game at Easter Road. I'm sure that most other veteran Hibs.Netters would agree.

I've been wondering if the new generation of negative whingers currently all over these threads joined this board during the Lennon, cup winning and Hampden appearance era?

Maybe spoilt by the win ratio and talent on show so ill-prepared for the lean years.

We've seen a lot weaker players than Joe in our squads over the years. And good players who blow hot and cold.

[Ozyhibby]

First post on this thread due to not getting to as many games this season and my opinion of Newall hasn’t changed. He’s hopeless. And we are cruising this game.


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[hibsbollah]

First post on this thread due to not getting to as many games this season and my opinion of Newall hasn’t changed. He’s hopeless. And we are cruising this game.


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That’s the main thing :agree: