Newell

[MWHIBBIES]

First post on this thread due to not getting to as many games this season and my opinion of Newall hasn’t changed. He’s hopeless. And we are cruising this game.


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Don't worry, Gogic will join from Hamilton to solve everything.

[Ozyhibby]

Don't worry, Gogic will join from Hamilton to solve everything.

Where did we finish in gogic’s only season as a regular?[emoji6]


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[Heisenberg]

First post on this thread due to not getting to as many games this season and my opinion of Newall hasn’t changed. He’s hopeless. And we are cruising this game.


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It probably didn’t need to be said when we are winning 3-0. Focus on the positives from todays game so far.

[hibsbollah]

I sometimes worry when people can’t just enjoy being 3-0 up against ten men on Christmas Eve :faf:

Good vibes and merry Christmas to everybody on here :aok:

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Newell’s been pretty good, along with the rest of the midfield.

[MWHIBBIES]

Where did we finish in gogic’s only season as a regular?[emoji6]


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3rd, before his big move to Barcelona.

[Keith_M]

I sometimes worry when people can’t just enjoy being 3-0 up against ten men on Christmas Eve :faf:

Good vibes and merry Christmas to everybody on here :aok:


Echo those sentiments.


:agree:

[Key West]

If I am being honest, Hibs have been a fairly average league side in the sixty one years since my first game at Easter Road. I'm sure that most other veteran Hibs.Netters would agree.

I've been wondering if the new generation of negative whingers currently all over these threads joined this board during the Lennon, cup winning and Hampden appearance era?

Maybe spoilt by the win ratio and talent on show so ill-prepared for the lean years.

We've seen a lot weaker players than Joe in our squads over the years. And good players who blow hot and cold.

Totally agree.

[Stuart93]

Mr newell with a wholly expected performance again last night. Utterly anonymous.

Midfield needs emptied

[Ozyhibby]

Mr newell with a wholly expected performance again last night. Utterly anonymous.

Midfield needs emptied

MWHIBBIES will be on in a minute to tell you how good he was.[emoji23]


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[Stuart93]

MWHIBBIES will be on in a minute to tell you how good he was.[emoji23]


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Didn’t get out of jogging pace the whole game. Didn’t make a bit of effort for their 4th goal either when you watch it back.

[B.H.F.C]

I think the most depressing thing about this thread is that it’ll still be running in a year or so. Or there will just be a new version of it with the same opinions as we’ll be watching Newell do the same things.

[PaulSmith]

What’s Hibs record since he came in?

All I can remember is him being part of 10-11 losing streaks under Jack Ross, Maloney and now Johnson.

[sauzeelegod]

I’d try him as the holding mid / CDM in a middle 3.
Take the ball from the CB’s and play it forward.

He’s a good passer and if he kept it simple he would do a good job.

He’s no good further forward.

[hibsbollah]

I think the most depressing thing about this thread is that it’ll still be running in a year or so. Or there will just be a new version of it with the same opinions as we’ll be watching Newell do the same things.

We should have a thread for all of our squad players. Then posters with running vendettas against other posters could bump each thread after every bad game, making predictable ‘wide-oh’ comments every time.

What fun.

[B.H.F.C]

What’s Hibs record since he came in?

All I can remember is him being part of 10-11 losing streaks under Jack Ross, Maloney and now Johnson.

In and out the team first season, played various positions. Generally poor.
Good season in his second, third and cup final.
Crap in his third season.
Getting worse in his fourth.

But pretty much guaranteed to play every week.

[GreenCastle]

I’d try him as the holding mid / CDM in a middle 3.
Take the ball from the CB’s and play it forward.

He’s a good passer and if he kept it simple he would do a good job.

He’s no good further forward.

He was signed as a left winger and his worst attentive is he doesn’t follow runners and make enough tackles / blocks.

He’s probably one of our most composed players on the ball but due to the midfield balance or lack of structure defensively it can leave massive gaps for the opposition to over run us.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Mr newell with a wholly expected performance again last night. Utterly anonymous.

Midfield needs emptied

And yet he was probably still the best Hibs midfielder last night. Magennis was worse, Porto was ineffective and Campbell ran about more so you could argue he was better. It’s not even worth mentioning Kenneh and Henderson.

[JohnM1875]

And yet he was probably still the best Hibs midfielder last night. Magennis was worse, Porto was ineffective and Campbell ran about more so you could argue he was better. It’s not even worth mentioning Kenneh and Henderson.

No chance Newell was our best midfielder last night. He was brutal and should have been off at half time. He went down on his knees like he'd taken a knock after about 15 minutes and looked shattered by 20 minutes.

[Ozyhibby]

I’d try him as the holding mid / CDM in a middle 3.
Take the ball from the CB’s and play it forward.

He’s a good passer and if he kept it simple he would do a good job.

He’s no good further forward.

He would offer zero defensive protection to the back four in that position.


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[blackpoolhibs]

And yet he was probably still the best Hibs midfielder last night. Magennis was worse, Porto was ineffective and Campbell ran about more so you could argue he was better. It’s not even worth mentioning Kenneh and Henderson.

Wow.

[J-C]

When he signed his highlight reel showed him playing wide left, I was disappointed when it turned out he was rubbish out wide. The a new manager comes in and suddenly he's a midfielder?

[Ozyhibby]

We should have a thread for all of our squad players. Then posters with running vendettas against other posters could bump each thread after every bad game, making predictable ‘wide-oh’ comments every time.

What fun.

If only he was just a squad player.

The guy is a crap player and he is stopping any chance we have of progressing. We will remain bottom 6 while he stays in the team. He has seen off three (?) managers now and is only a couple of weeks from his 4th. With each new appointment it is pointed out if they don’t improve on Newall then they won’t last long. When the new guy arrives in a couple of months time he will get to the summer but if he doesn’t replace Newall then, he’ll be gone not long after.

If you rate him fair enough, feel free to say so. I’m going to continue to speak my mind on a player I have never rated. He’s a shirker. He never saw a man running that he didn’t want to pass on. He doesn’t demand the ball in midfield, just tends to point to someone else the ball should be passed to. If the game isn’t going well he will hide. Everything about this player is wrong for Hibs.


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[Smartie]

I thought he looked excellent on the left of a diamond, which we played for a short while after Hecky left.

Since then I’ve never been a violently against him as some are but never been totally convinced by him either.

I thought he was pish last night, really found wanting when up against proper midfielders.

[sauzeelegod]

He would offer zero defensive protection to the back four in that position.


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Nonsense

[The Modfather]

We should have a thread for all of our squad players. Then posters with running vendettas against other posters could bump each thread after every bad game, making predictable ‘wide-oh’ comments every time.

What fun.

We should have a thread solely for bickering, petty points scoring and running vendettas. I could then ask my good friend “LeithMike” what part of Powderhall is in Leith 😀

[Stuart93]

Nonsense

It’s not nonsense at all. He doesn’t anywhere hard enough to excel at CDM

[hibsbollah]

If only he was just a squad player.

The guy is a crap player and he is stopping any chance we have of progressing. We will remain bottom 6 while he stays in the team. He has seen off three (?) managers now and is only a couple of weeks from his 4th. With each new appointment it is pointed out if they don’t improve on Newall then they won’t last long. When the new guy arrives in a couple of months time he will get to the summer but if he doesn’t replace Newall then, he’ll be gone not long after.

If you rate him fair enough, feel free to say so. I’m going to continue to speak my mind on a player I have never rated. He’s a shirker. He never saw a man running that he didn’t want to pass on. He doesn’t demand the ball in midfield, just tends to point to someone else the ball should be passed to. If the game isn’t going well he will hide. Everything about this player is wrong for Hibs.


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Then say that. It’s the laughing emoji thing that suggests you maybe aren’t as unhappy as you’re making out you are.

[Paulie Walnuts]

What’s Hibs record since he came in?

All I can remember is him being part of 10-11 losing streaks under Jack Ross, Maloney and now Johnson.

As a club it’s terrible. 7th, 3rd, 8th and currently 8th.

From a Joe Newell specific perspective, we do much better results wise when he’s not in the team.

[SickBoy32]

Absolutely frightening that after watching this fraud for 4.5 years, 100+ games for the club - we still have some fans talking this guy up.

Anyone got any idea what his greatest moment in a Hibs jersey is? We're spoilt for choice really, big goals in some tough venues like Elgin, Bonnyrigg and Paisley...

Floated along in his comfort zone for far too long, get rid now FFS

[MWHIBBIES]

MWHIBBIES will be on in a minute to tell you how good he was.[emoji23]


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OMG SO FUNNY HAHHAHAHAHAHHA

Not at all. I can acknowledge when he hasn't played well. No one played well, though. We got pumped by a far superior side.

Again, real shame that supporting our players just gets you personal stick on here.

[Ozyhibby]

OMG SO FUNNY HAHHAHAHAHAHHA

Not at all. I can acknowledge when he hasn't played well. No one played well, though. We got pumped by a far superior side.

Again, real shame that supporting our players just gets you personal stick on here.

I think Bushiri played well last night. Also felt Stevenson had a decent night.
You don’t just support Newall, you try close down criticism at every turn while criticising Gogic, the only guy capable of covering Newall’s non existent work rate since he’s been here.


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[Basildon Hibs]

If only he was just a squad player.

The guy is a crap player and he is stopping any chance we have of progressing. We will remain bottom 6 while he stays in the team. He has seen off three (?) managers now and is only a couple of weeks from his 4th. With each new appointment it is pointed out if they don’t improve on Newall then they won’t last long. When the new guy arrives in a couple of months time he will get to the summer but if he doesn’t replace Newall then, he’ll be gone not long after.

If you rate him fair enough, feel free to say so. I’m going to continue to speak my mind on a player I have never rated. He’s a shirker. He never saw a man running that he didn’t want to pass on. He doesn’t demand the ball in midfield, just tends to point to someone else the ball should be passed to. If the game isn’t going well he will hide. Everything about this player is wrong for Hibs.


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Correct. 👍👍

[PaulSmith]

Absolutely frightening that after watching this fraud for 4.5 years, 100+ games for the club - we still have some fans talking this guy up.

Anyone got any idea what his greatest moment in a Hibs jersey is? We're spoilt for choice really, big goals in some tough venues like Elgin, Bonnyrigg and Paisley...

Floated along in his comfort zone for far too long, get rid now FFS

Loves the golf up here though so guess he’s happy.

[Ozyhibby]

Loves the golf up here though so guess he’s happy.

Bet he’s delighted, managed to get a cracking wage way beyond his ability for 5 years out of us. Fair play to him. He won’t care how ***** he makes us.


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[jeffers]

The Newell posts go round and round covering the same points made previously (as I’m about to do.) Whether you think he’s a great player, utter pish or somewhere in between the fact is it doesn’t matter if he had a really poor game he’s pretty much guaranteed to start the next one. I’m not suggesting he goes into a game not giving a ****** but there is zero concern he’ll be dropped. He’s not alone in that respect.

[hibsbollah]

Bet he’s delighted, managed to get a cracking wage way beyond his ability for 5 years out of us. Fair play to him. He won’t care how ***** he makes us.


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You are really really seething. I can tell.

[Heisenberg]

The Newell posts go round and round covering the same points made previously (as I’m about to do.) Whether you think he’s a great player, utter pish or somewhere in between the fact is it doesn’t matter if he had a really poor game he’s pretty much guaranteed to start the next one. I’m not suggesting he goes into a game not giving a ****** but there is zero concern he’ll be dropped. He’s not alone in that respect.

Cadden is exactly the same. Due to our horrendous recruitment we’ve nothing in the squad to challenge these guys.

[Ozyhibby]

You are really really seething. I can tell.

Not as raging as Lee Johnson will be in a couple of weeks when he is shown the door.


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[hibsbollah]

Not as raging as Lee Johnson will be in a couple of weeks when he is shown the door.


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I can’t follow the narrative anymore, surely if he’s a ‘wage thief’ ‘ taking us for a ride’, why would he be ‘raging’ to be shown the door?

Let’s at least be consistent in our lashing out.

[jeffers]

Cadden is exactly the same. Due to our horrendous recruitment we’ve nothing in the squad to challenge these guys.

It’s a total mess. Countless signings later we are still playing a team that were mostly signed prior to Jack Ross or while he was in charge. Yet we are supposed to trust Johnson/the recruitment team that we’ll get it all sorted with another couple of transfer windows.

[Tyler Durden]

Literally 6 or 7 players worse than Newell last night but the usual people just can’t wait to start the same tired arguments on here.

[Ozyhibby]

I can’t follow the narrative anymore, surely if he’s a ‘wage thief’ ‘ taking us for a ride’, why would he be ‘raging’ to be shown the door?

Let’s at least be consistent in our lashing out.

Newall won’t be shown the door. He’s here for the duration. It’s Johnson who will be gone.


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[Paulie Walnuts]

Literally 6 or 7 players worse than Newell last night but the usual people just can’t wait to start the same tired arguments on here.

Who, out of interest?

Celtic waltzed through our midfield all night while Joe Newell jogged around one paced, yet again having absolutely zero influence on the game.

[loanheadhibby]

Literally 6 or 7 players worse than Newell last night but the usual people just can’t wait to start the same tired arguments on here.

Not so sure 6 or 7 worse than Newell.
I am not a fan but he has more ability than most in our team.
I just wish he would step up. Monday would be nice.

[jeffers]

Literally 6 or 7 players worse than Newell last night but the usual people just can’t wait to start the same tired arguments on here.

Newell gets stick more than most because he does have ability, he’s our most experienced midfielder and he’s on good money. Far too often he puts in a performance like last night.

[BoomtownHibees]

Literally 6 or 7 players worse than Newell last night but the usual people just can’t wait to start the same tired arguments on here.

If you’re counting subs like Henderson, Kenneh and McKirdy then aye you might be right. Think you’d struggle to name 6 or 7 who started who were worse

[The Modfather]

Literally 6 or 7 players worse than Newell last night but the usual people just can’t wait to start the same tired arguments on here.

Not specifically aimed at yourself, but as each season goes on the defence for Newell seems to be more about him “not being as bad as others” or “the least of our problems” etc, and less about a positive case of what he is consistently delivering. That in itself highlights the Newell issue IMO.

[hibsbollah]

Not so sure 6 or 7 worse than Newell.
I am not a fan but he has more ability than most in our team.
I just wish he would step up. Monday would be nice.

He’s ‘stepped up’ and had good games plenty of times. Then he has games when he’s not involved much, and this weird pile on takes place, where everything gets exaggerated, after about five pages when the hysterics disappear we all agree he’s capable of good and bad and that exaggeration is a bad thing, and then the next bad game comes and there’s more exaggeration about how bad he is.

That’s how it works with the useless, prancing, posing, floppy haired ponce. And don’t get me started on the Yorkshire thing.

[Mutu]

How after 6-7 years of playing for Hibs are folk still spelling Newell incorrectly?

Much more frustrating than getting pumped by the Old Firm.

[Ozyhibby]

He’s ‘stepped up’ and had good games plenty of times. Then he has games when he’s not involved much, and this weird pile on takes place, where everything gets exaggerated, after about five pages when the hysterics disappear we all agree he’s capable of good and bad and that exaggeration is a bad thing, and then the next bad game comes and there’s more exaggeration about how bad he is.

That’s how it works with the useless, prancing, posing, floppy haired ponce. And don’t get me started on the Yorkshire thing.

What’s not in doubt is that we are a crap team while he’s in it and showing no signs of getting better. He’s seen off a good few managers now as well.
Might be a good idea to at least consider seeing if replacing him brings better outcomes?


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[Ozyhibby]

How after 6-7 years of playing for Hibs are folk still spelling Newell incorrectly?

Much more frustrating than getting pumped by the Old Firm.

With a bit of luck, he takes offence and leaves.[emoji1696]


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[CapitalGreen]

Literally 6 or 7 players worse than Newell last night but the usual people just can’t wait to start the same tired arguments on here.

Newell is our highest earning, most experienced and supposed leader in central midfield. That’s why he gets more criticism than the likes of Campbell or Porteous who is being played in an unfamiliar position.

[flash]

What’s not in doubt is that we are a crap team while he’s in it and showing no signs of getting better. He’s seen off a good few managers now as well.
Might be a good idea to at least consider seeing if replacing him brings better outcomes?


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To be fair we have players who have seen off a fair few more managers than Newall.

[MWHIBBIES]

I think Bushiri played well last night. Also felt Stevenson had a decent night.
You don’t just support Newall, you try close down criticism at every turn while criticising Gogic, the only guy capable of covering Newall’s non existent work rate since he’s been here.


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I don't criticise Gogic, although he was pretty poor. I laugh at your patter about him solving our problems, when a much better player in Newell is apparently the root of them all.

[jeffers]

To be fair we have players who have seen off a fair few more managers than Newall.

I’m struggling to name them. Bar Lewis, Porto and Paul Hanlon Newell is probably one of our longer serving players. Unfortunately Paul Hanlon is looking a shadow of his former self and it’s not Lewis’ fault that he’s still our first choice left back at his age. Both have been good players for us.

[Mutu]

He’s ‘stepped up’ and had good games plenty of times. Then he has games when he’s not involved much, and this weird pile on takes place, where everything gets exaggerated, after about five pages when the hysterics disappear we all agree he’s capable of good and bad and that exaggeration is a bad thing, and then the next bad game comes and there’s more exaggeration about how bad he is.

That’s how it works with the useless, prancing, posing, floppy haired ponce. And don’t get me started on the Yorkshire thing.

Is that not just all Hibs players? Every single player in that squad are capable of consistent bad form - that's why they're at Hibs. Newell definitely gets more stick than any other player in the squad and it's not even close. Why? His style of play is way more open to criticism than anyone else in the team.

Pretty much bored of these threads though, I get it can be cathartic to make a raging post and send it into the ether but who else are you going to put in there? Kenneh who can barely control a ball sometimes? Henderson who falls over with a stiff breeze? There's no one to take his place just now so people need to realise he's in the team until we sign someone who is more capable. There's a reason why Porteous had been drafted in to play along side him. [This is directed at the thread in general, not necessarily any individual poster]

[Ozyhibby]

I don't criticise Gogic, although he was pretty poor. I laugh at your patter about him solving our problems, when a much better player in Newell is apparently the root of them all.

Where are gogic’s team in the league just now?


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[hibsbollah]

What’s not in doubt is that we are a crap team while he’s in it and showing no signs of getting better. He’s seen off a good few managers now as well.
Might be a good idea to at least consider seeing if replacing him brings better outcomes?


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Marshall has similarly been an ever present.
A stupid comparison I know but no less stupid than the logic that because a player is in the team when the team is losing he automatically needs to walk the ****ing plank, is it?

[Mutu]

Where are gogic’s team in the league just now?


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Gogic was not a good player for Hibs. Started off okay but if memory serves he was rightly warming the bench by the end of if his time.

[hibsbollah]

Gogic was not a good player for Hibs. Started off okay but if memory serves he was rightly warming the bench by the end of if his time.

Gogic is also lacking Newells follicles. It can enrage the baldies among us.

[Mutu]

Gogic is also lacking Newells follicles.

As someone who is follically challenged, I can relate.

[Ozyhibby]

Gogic was not a good player for Hibs. Started off okay but if memory serves he was rightly warming the bench by the end of if his time.

He was good in his only season as a regular. We got 3rd and a couple of cup finals. Then he got injured and never really made it back to that level. In the end we were right to move him on.


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[Paulie Walnuts]

Marshall has similarly been an ever present.
A stupid comparison I know but no less stupid than the logic that because a player is in the team when the team is losing he automatically needs to walk the ****ing plank, is it?

What about the fact we do better when he’s not in the team?

When Newell doesn’t play, we get significantly better results.

[Mutu]

When Newell doesn’t play, we get significantly better results.

Show me these fabled results this season?

[hibsbollah]

What about the fact we do better when he’s not in the team?

When Newell doesn’t play, we get significantly better results.

I would imagine that’s quite a small sample size, since he apparently ‘never’ gets dropped’. If it’s not a small sample size then that’s another misnomer about him. If you’re including games several seasons ago, half of the starting eleven will be different too so it’s hard to make a case that’s hard evidence that he ‘makes us worse’.

[hibsbollah]

I have just realised that I have been complaining about this never-ending series of circular threads about Newell, by contributing ten posts to a circular thread arguing about Newell.

Also it’s not helping the hangover

[Paulie Walnuts]

I would imagine that’s quite a small sample size, since he apparently ‘never’ gets dropped’. If it’s not a small sample size then that’s another misnomer about him. If you’re including games several seasons ago, half of the starting eleven will be different too so it’s hard to make a case that’s hard evidence that he ‘makes us worse’.

I can’t remember the exact figures but it was something around 100 games with him in the team and about 22 without so not the smallest sample size. The difference in results were also massive. We were miles better without him.

A player like him is the root cause of our issues on the pitch. Offers nothing of note and kills any momentum but because he can pass it square or backwards his stats show up ok.

[MWHIBBIES]

Where are gogic’s team in the league just now?


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Good lord, is that all you base things on. We bodied them 3-0 at Easter Road recently.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Show me these fabled results this season?

He’s inexplicably played every minute of every game this season other than coming on as a sub in the Clyde game. Unsurprisingly, we’ve been crap this season.

[CapitalGreen]

He’s inexplicably played every minute of every game this season other than coming on as a sub in the Clyde game. Unsurprisingly, we’ve been crap.

They first half against Clyde was the best we’ve looked all season 😂😂

[Paulie Walnuts]

They first half against Clyde was the best we’ve looked all season 😂😂

:greengrin

[hibsbollah]

I can’t remember the exact figures but it was something around 100 games with him in the team and about 22 without so not the smallest sample size. The difference in results were also massive. We were miles better without him.

A player like him is the root cause of our issues on the pitch. Offers nothing of note and kills any momentum but because he can pass it square or backwards his stats show up ok.

Well there’s another problem argument, I had someone on here pulling up his horrendous stat completion rate of 65% in one game, which I pointed out was because he was attempting more through balls, which he was. So which is it, is he just passing the ball sideways and getting high %stats as a result (not true) or is he
attempting lots of through balls that don’t reach their target?

Personally I recall two beautiful slide rule passes early in the season (one that the sport scene nobs christened ‘pass of the season’ already, but maybe that’s you think this is evidence of a stopped clock telling the right time twice a day?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Well there’s another problem argument, I had someone on here pulling up his horrendous stat completion rate of 65% in one game, which I pointed out was because he was attempting more through balls, which he was. So which is it, is he just passing the ball sideways and getting high %stats as a result (not true) or is he
attempting lots of through balls that don’t reach their target?

Personally I recall two beautiful slide rule passes early in the season (one that the sport scene nobs christened ‘pass of the season’ already, but maybe that’s you think this is evidence of a stopped clock telling the right time twice a day?

Two solitary passes?

His assist numbers are absolutely dreadful. The vast, vast majority of his passes are cop out square or backwards passes. We watch him do it every week.

[Tyler Durden]

Two solitary passes?

His assist numbers are absolutely dreadful. The vast, vast majority of his passes are cop out square or backwards passes. We watch him do it every week.

He laid one on a plate for Nisbet last night. If Nisbet scored, would that have made you happier with Newell’s performance?

[CapitalGreen]

Well there’s another problem argument, I had someone on here pulling up his horrendous stat completion rate of 65% in one game, which I pointed out was because he was attempting more through balls, which he was. So which is it, is he just passing the ball sideways and getting high %stats as a result (not true) or is he
attempting lots of through balls that don’t reach their target?

Personally I recall two beautiful slide rule passes early in the season (one that the sport scene nobs christened ‘pass of the season’ already, but maybe that’s you think this is evidence of a stopped clock telling the right time twice a day?

That was me and your excuses for him were nonsense. According to Opta, his pass completion was 65% against Rangers, well below his season average of 78%. You claimed this was down to him attempting more through balls in that game than normal, Opta have recorded only one through ball attempt in that game. In fact he only attempted 26 passes all game (season average is 41) and found a team mate only 17 times - 3 of these successful passes were taking kick off.

[hibsbollah]

Two solitary passes?

His assist numbers are absolutely dreadful. The vast, vast majority of his passes are cop out square or backwards passes. We watch him do it every week.

Ah. ‘We’. What you mean is ‘Me’. It’s already been established that plenty of Us don’t agree with you.

[hibsbollah]

That was me and your excuses for him were nonsense. According to Opta, his pass completion was 65% against Rangers, well below his season average of 78%. You claimed this was down to him attempting more through balls in that game than normal, Opta have recorded only one through ball attempt in that game. In fact he only attempted 26 passes all game (season average is 41) and found a team mate only 17 times - 3 of these successful passes were taking kick off.

Without having the stat to hand , I can’t comment except to say that he’s the one in the team that I see trying to play the through ball. If it’s not him, there’s nobody doing it. Sometimes Campbell does it, nobody else, Porto does the long diagonal. Which brings me back to the point, you need to decide what we’re accusing him of, hiding or being ***** at trying things, which is it?

[WhileTheChief..]

Why does his hair get mentioned?

I get it with McKirdy, but Newall’s hair, is just, well, hair :confused:

[Scorrie]

Why does his hair get mentioned?

I get it with McKirdy, but Newall’s hair, is just, well, hair :confused:

It’s pure jealousy on my part!

[sauzeelegod]

It’s not nonsense at all. He doesn’t anywhere hard enough to excel at CDM

Eh?

[paddy1875]

Ah. ‘We’. What you mean is ‘Me’. It’s already been established that plenty of Us don’t agree with you.

I agree with him.

He’s missing more often than not in games.

The fact people are pulling up stats and quoting 2 attempted through balls in games tells us he has no consistency.

We want players to do well. But he’s been a ever present this season and we can all count on one hand the good performances not just from newell but the whole squad.

Yet he’s always the first name on the team sheet. Common sense should be telling us we should be trying something different. Maybe it’ll make us far worse but at least we could maybe see what he actually brings to the team.


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[Paulie Walnuts]

Ah. ‘We’. What you mean is ‘Me’. It’s already been established that plenty of Us don’t agree with you.

So just to be clear, when I say we you completely ignore all the people that have criticised him yet at the same time you go on about ‘us’ when surely you mean you?

Convenient.

[CapitalGreen]

Without having the stat to hand , I can’t comment except to say that he’s the one in the team that I see trying to play the through ball. If it’s not him, there’s nobody doing it. Sometimes Campbell does it, nobody else, Porto does the long diagonal. Which brings me back to the point, you need to decide what we’re accusing him of, hiding or being ***** at trying things, which is it?

You called me out spefically in relation to the Rangers game and are now trying to deflect because you were proven wrong on that one. I’ve provided a screenshot and link to the stat for his attempted through balls against Rangers below. One attempted through pass. His pass completion % was bad because his passing was bad, usually it’s much better.

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https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1642386/LiveStatistics/Scotland-Premiership-2022-2023-Rangers-Hibernian

[Mutu]

He’s inexplicably played every minute of every game this season other than coming on as a sub in the Clyde game. Unsurprisingly, we’ve been crap this season.

Confirmation bias. I could equally state that he has played in every one of our wins this season.

You don't have the data to support your claim for this season.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Confirmation bias. I could equally state that he has played in every one of our wins this season.

You don't have the data to support your claim for this season.

I have the data for his whole Hibs career. It’s absolutely damning.

[Mutu]

I have the data for his whole Hibs career. It’s absolutely damning.

For the data to actually mean anything, you would need to run the win/loss percentages for all the Hibs players in order to make any sort of comparison. Interested to see that to be honest. I would guess that it would be not too dissimilar to other longstanding members of the squad.

Either way, it doesn't change the fact that he should absolutely be in the team right now due to lack of proper options in that area of the pitch.

[Paulie Walnuts]

For the data to actually mean anything, you would need to run the win/loss percentages for all the Hibs players in order to make any sort of comparison. Interested to see that to be honest. I would guess that it would be not too dissimilar to other longstanding members of the squad.

Either way, it doesn't change the fact that he should absolutely be in the team right now due to lack of proper options in that area of the pitch.

I’m sure it was CapitalGreen that posted them but I’ve no idea where they got them from.

Imo he absolutely shouldn’t be in the team. He’s been in the team for near enough every minute of a disaster of a season. It’s time we give something else a go.

[hibsbollah]

You called me out spefically in relation to the Rangers game and are now trying to deflect because you were proven wrong on that one. I’ve provided a screenshot and link to the stat for his attempted through balls against Rangers below. One attempted through pass. His pass completion % was bad because his passing was bad, usually it’s much better.

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https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1642386/LiveStatistics/Scotland-Premiership-2022-2023-Rangers-Hibernian

I’m not talking about the Rangers game in exclusion though, what kind of exercise would that be? I’m talking about generally. You can lose yourself in a world of stats, we’ve already had countless threads about the misguided way they can be applied, especially this nonsense about Newell being absent in a higher percentage of games when we do well. Is Doyle Hayes our best passing midfielder with his shiny 88% short pass completion rate? Your stats would say yes. I would suggest that’s very far from the truth.

[hibsbollah]

So just to be clear, when I say we you completely ignore all the people that have criticised him yet at the same time you go on about ‘us’ when surely you mean you?

Convenient.

You missed that, I was being ironic. This is like one of these TERF debates with all these pronouns. It’s pretty obvious that people say ‘We’ or ‘Us’ on a messageboard when they are trying to paint themselves as the majority.

[mcfly]

Should we just signalling out one individual?

He’s not the only one performing very badly - collectively the team is weak, spineless and lacking real quality.

Deserves to be dropped though

[CapitalGreen]

I’m not talking about the Rangers game in exclusion though, what kind of exercise would that be? I’m talking about generally. You can lose yourself in a world of stats, we’ve already had countless threads about the misguided way they can be applied, especially this nonsense about Newell being absent in a higher percentage of games when we do well. Is Doyle Hayes our best passing midfielder with his shiny 88% short pass completion rate? Your stats would say yes. I would suggest that’s very far from the truth.

I made a post about Newell in the immediate aftermath of the Rangers game criticising his performance, particularly his passing and quoted his 65% pass completion. You tried to refute that criticism at the time claiming it was actually due to the high number of through balls you’d seemingly seen him attempt in that game. You’ve then tried to be a smartarse and brought up that comment I made previously (see below) but have been proven wrong and now you’re trying to back track and claim the discussion was never about one game. Stop trying to deflect and accept you made an arse of it.


I had someone on here pulling up his horrendous stat completion rate of 65% in one game, which I pointed out was because he was attempting more through balls, which he was.

[blackpoolhibs]

I'm far from being his biggest fan, but if we drop him we then have to bring in someone else, and whoever that may be they are just as bad if not worse.:rolleyes:

[Ozyhibby]

I'm far from being his biggest fan, but if we drop him we then have to bring in someone else, and whoever that may be they are just as bad if not worse.:rolleyes:

We do need to sign midfielders, there is no getting away from that. And that has been the case for a couple of years now. Only people who don’t think that are the managers we have had and it’s cost them.
Personally I would play with Kenneh, Magennis and Campbell for now. Not ideal but we need to improve the attitude and work rate in there and it’s not going to happen while Newell is there.
Or put the Ukrainian up front and drop Nisbet into the No 10 role with Kenneh and Magennis in behind.
All short term solutions until we sign a decent midfielder or two.


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[loanheadhibby]

I'm far from being his biggest fan, but if we drop him we then have to bring in someone else, and whoever that may be they are just as bad if not worse.:rolleyes:

It seems obvious but I think he would be more effective with better midfielders around him. He has ability but it’s just getting him to show on a regular basis. I think if he had played alongside the calibre of McGinn/McGeough/Allan/Brebner etc, we see a much better player.

Along side Campbell/JDH/Kenneh, he’s bang average.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I'm far from being his biggest fan, but if we drop him we then have to bring in someone else, and whoever that may be they are just as bad if not worse.:rolleyes:

Are they?

I’d look at playing Campbell and Magennis in the middle with McGeady as a 10. Or even Kenneh and Magennis with Campbell as a 10. Has a lot more energy and tenacity in the middle than we do with Joe Newell for a start. This squad is woeful in terms of quality, so let’s at least focus on being good at something and focus on being energetic and matching teams for effort and running.

We’ve persisted with the ‘keep Joe Newell on the pitch for every single minute’ experiment for long enough and it’s not getting us anywhere.

[hibsbollah]

I made a post about Newell in the immediate aftermath of the Rangers game criticising his performance, particularly his passing and quoted his 65% pass completion. You tried to refute that criticism at the time claiming it was actually due to the high number of through balls you’d seemingly seen him attempt in that game. You’ve then tried to be a smartarse and brought up that comment I made previously (see below) but have been proven wrong and now you’re trying to back track and claim the discussion was never about one game. Stop trying to deflect and accept you made an arse of it.

You seem to be getting grumpy old bean, it’s really not that serious :aok:

[paddy1875]

Are they?

I’d look at playing Campbell and Magennis in the middle with McGeady as a 10. Or even Kenneh and Magennis with Campbell as a 10. Has a lot more energy and tenacity in the middle than we do with Joe Newell for a start. This squad is woeful in terms of quality, so let’s at least focus on being good at something and focus on being energetic and matching teams for effort and running.

We’ve persisted with the ‘keep Joe Newell on the pitch for every single minute’ experiment for long enough and it’s not getting us anywhere.

Since he’s arrived at the club. We’ve played hearts 9 times. Losing 5 drawing 3 and winning once.

The one we won he came on for last 15 minutes when we were 2 nil up at Tynie.

I agree we should maybe try changing it up now

In terms of games started against them it’s 6 and it’s 3 defeats and 3 draws


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[Hibiza]

He ( Newell ) is quite simply : grim.

[Hector Mudflap]

I will not be quoting stats



I just think he's gash

[Skol]

I'm far from being his biggest fan, but if we drop him we then have to bring in someone else, and whoever that may be they are just as bad if not worse.:rolleyes:

That’s hit the nail on the head. Newell has his faults but what are the options. Henderson?

Our squad needs a massive overhaul but newell isn’t where I would start to be honest.

[hibsbollah]

That’s hit the nail on the head. Newell has his faults but what are the options. Henderson?

Our squad needs a massive overhaul but newell isn’t where I would start to be honest.

It baffles me why Henderson threads are conspicuous by their absence. I’ve never been as disappointed in a signing.

[Smartie]

It baffles me why Henderson threads are conspicuous by their absence. I’ve never been as disappointed in a signing.

There just seems to be something about him that makes you not want to go in on him all guns blazing. Don't know whether it's because of his brother's exploits or the fact that he seems to be a bit more timid, vulnerable or quiet than other footballers.

Even now I can't really bring myself to want to slaughter him to back up my point the way I'd maybe go in on someone else, James Scott for example.

But FWIW I agree with you 100%.

[MrRobot]

It baffles me why Henderson threads are conspicuous by their absence. I’ve never been as disappointed in a signing.

Henderson is woeful and shouldn’t be at the club.

[hibsbollah]

There just seems to be something about him that makes you not want to go in on him all guns blazing. Don't know whether it's because of his brother's exploits or the fact that he seems to be a bit more timid, vulnerable or quiet than other footballers.

Even now I can't really bring myself to want to slaughter him to back up my point the way I'd maybe go in on someone else, James Scott for example.

But FWIW I agree with you 100%.

I saw him out Hawksmoor at St. Andrew square with Melkerson, and I couldn’t believe how slight he is close up, literally like he would struggle to stand straight in a strong breeze.

[Skol]

It baffles me why Henderson threads are conspicuous by their absence. I’ve never been as disappointed in a signing.

You are definitely on to something here. I do find myself feeling for him and wishing he would do better. He clearly has some ability but just is not good enough at our level. A bit Like Alex Harris after his injury.

[CapitalGreen]

That’s hit the nail on the head. Newell has his faults but what are the options. Henderson?

Our squad needs a massive overhaul but newell isn’t where I would start to be honest.

Newell is one of the highest earners in our squad. If we want to bring in better players we need to find wages from somewhere and quality improvements won’t come cheap. I’d be happy to see Henderson leave but his wages probably won’t get us a top quality alternative.

[McD]

There just seems to be something about him that makes you not want to go in on him all guns blazing. Don't know whether it's because of his brother's exploits or the fact that he seems to be a bit more timid, vulnerable or quiet than other footballers.

Even now I can't really bring myself to want to slaughter him to back up my point the way I'd maybe go in on someone else, James Scott for example.

But FWIW I agree with you 100%.


I wonder if it’s because he doesn’t play much (in comparison to Newell in the case of this thread), if he was getting 90 every week I think we would be kicking off more about him.

[Skol]

Newell is one of the highest earners in our squad. If we want to bring in better players we need to find wages from somewhere and quality improvements won’t come cheap. I’d be happy to see Henderson leave but his wages probably won’t get us a top quality alternative.

Good point that I had overlooked. Or in reality didn’t know or think of.

If we could bring in two new players then great. Problem is if we are paying him well, and he is not good enough, can we move him on.

It all still points to our poor recruitment. There was a time that we seemed to get the right kind of players. Now we take punts and more often than not make poor signings.

For all his faults, I still think newell has something to offer but I know many disagree right now though he is the best of a poor set of options available to us.

[LunasBoots]

It baffles me why Henderson threads are conspicuous by their absence. I’ve never been as disappointed in a signing.

Kind of expected it and didn't get the excitement, he was loaned out on a couple of occasions and those lower clubs fans all said the same thing, showed glimpses of something but not enough to play foe those clubs, yet we signed him...

[Ozyhibby]

I think Henderson is awful to be honest. He’ll be playing in Div 2 soon enough.
Reason there are not threads about him is because he’s not getting a game.


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[Stuart93]

I think Henderson is awful to be honest. He’ll be playing in Div 2 soon enough.
Reason there are not threads about him is because he’s not getting a game.


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He’s absolutely terrible

Still gobsmacked we signed him.

[SHODAN]

If you think Joe Newell is bad, wait until you see who we'll eventually replace him with!

[Paulie Walnuts]

I saw him out Hawksmoor at St. Andrew square with Melkerson, and I couldn’t believe how slight he is close up, literally like he would struggle to stand straight in a strong breeze.

I used to see Sam Stanton at the gym and in the pool a lot when he was at Hibs and DU. He honestly looked like a 16/17 year old laddie who had just started going. The fact he was a professional athlete was nothing short of astonishing.

Ewan Henderson reminds me very much of him and I’d suspect he’s the same in terms of physique.

Quite how Henderson got signed is a mystery in itself. How he got the length of deal he did is astonishing.

[hibsbollah]

I think Henderson is awful to be honest. He’ll be playing in Div 2 soon enough.
Reason there are not threads about him is because he’s not getting a game.


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He’s been brought back into the team again and again, often at baffling times when his performances don’t warrant it, and he’s keeping McKirdy out of his natural position. He’s had plenty of chances and seems to get a relative free ride. It doesn’t make sense to me. Scotch mist Bojang has more ‘waste of a Jersey’ type threads about him than Henderson does so the attendance thing doesn’t really stand up.

It couldn’t just be because circle jerks targeting ‘the usual suspects’ develop online, could it??

[JimBHibees]

Henderson is frustrating looks like he has some quality however regularly fails to deliver. Scored a cracking goal v S Mirren but has missed a few great chances. Still young and possible he could improve but not sure he will

[BoomtownHibees]

He’s been brought back into the team again and again, often at baffling times when his performances don’t warrant it, and he’s keeping McKirdy out of his natural position. He’s had plenty of chances and seems to get a relative free ride. It doesn’t make sense to me. Scotch mist Bojang has more ‘waste of a Jersey’ type threads about him than Henderson does so the attendance thing doesn’t really stand up.

It couldn’t just be because circle jerks targeting ‘the usual suspects’ develop online, could it??

Is Mckirdy’s natural position not across the front line, mainly through the middle?

[J-C]

Newell is one of the highest earners in our squad. If we want to bring in better players we need to find wages from somewhere and quality improvements won’t come cheap. I’d be happy to see Henderson leave but his wages probably won’t get us a top quality alternative.


I said this either earlier on here or another thread but his 2 loan spells should've been seen as a red flag not to sign him, he's a huge disappointment.

[hibsbollah]

Is Mckirdy’s natural position not across the front line, mainly through the middle?

He played all three positions across a front three for Swindon, and he said in interview he had no preference which of those spots he took. So yeah, maybe I should have said one of his natural positions :aok:

[JohnM1875]

I said this either earlier on here or another thread but his 2 loan spells should've been seen as a red flag not to sign him, he's a huge disappointment.

Get Delferriere back and send Henderson on loan to Edinburgh City or FC Edinburgh.

Granted I've only seen Delferriere play a handful of times but he looked far more ready physically then Henderson ever will. Think he can play right back as well? Some of the guys who watch the dev team will know for sure?

[BoomtownHibees]

He played all three positions across a front three for Swindon, and he said in interview he had no preference which of those spots he took. So yeah, maybe I should have said one of his natural positions :aok:

I was more thinking that Henderson hasn’t really played in any of those positions when he has come on. I think earlier in the season he played a bit off the left but not much lately

Either way Henderson should be nowhere near playing in any position for us

[hibsbollah]

I was more thinking that Henderson hasn’t really played in any of those positions when he has come on. I think earlier in the season he played a bit off the left but not much lately

Either way Henderson should be nowhere near playing in any position for us

I remember Henderson started wide left in the Killie game in an advanced position, but yes he’s filled in as a standard midfielder when he’s come on recently.

[SunshineOn1875]

If you lot think Newell is bad, then try watching Paul Hanlon, Lewis Stevenson and Chris Cadden, but their good Hibs lads and give 100% so it doesn’t matter eh, they won a trophy 7 year ago that we’ve no moved on from so give them a lifetime contract🤣

[JimBHibees]

If you lot think Newell is bad, then try watching Paul Hanlon, Lewis Stevenson and Chris Cadden, but their good Hibs lads and give 100% so it doesn’t matter eh, they won a trophy 7 year ago that we’ve no moved on from so give them a lifetime contract🤣

When did a Cadden win a trophy.

[Bridge hibs]

When did a Cadden win a trophy.

MLS cup with Columbus Crew in 2020 ?

[JimBHibees]

MLS cup with Columbus Crew in 2020 ?

:greengrin was thinking at Hibs but completely slipped my mind

[Bridge hibs]

:greengrin was thinking at Hibs but completely slipped my mindSorry, I had to google that though 🤣

[Norrieg]

As someone who is follically challenged, I can relate.

Can someone supply the stats for how many times Newell sorts his hair during a game.??? He certainly does it more times than he makes a decent pass.

[MWHIBBIES]

Can someone supply the stats for how many times Newell sorts his hair during a game.??? He certainly does it more times than he makes a decent pass.

Right boomer patter this.

[itslegaltender]

Newell is a disaster of a centre midfielder. His tackling is abysmal, you maybe get one good game in 4 at best from a creative side. Add in how horrendous he is in the air when defending corners.

[The dalmeny]

Right boomer patter this.

Maybe, but if you aren’t producing the goods it makes you an easy target.

[Norrieg]

Right boomer patter this.

What the ****** does BOOMER patter mean. You obviously don't watch him during the game.

[Allant1981]

What the ****** does BOOMER patter mean. You obviously don't watch him during the game.

Who cares how many times he sorts his hair

[Bridge hibs]

What the ****** does BOOMER patter mean. You obviously don't watch him during the game.
Im sure Scott Allan done a lot of hair sorting when with us, Ive seen Melkerson adjust his Alice band a few times too, and whats up with McKirdys new hair do, add this to Newell ****ing about with his hair during games

Not ****ing on hibs, this hair **** needs sorted, no wonder we are struggling

Ps, mon the baldies

[hibsbollah]

He has such tremendous volume and bounce. I wonder if it’s a mousse he uses or just gel

[Bridge hibs]

He has such tremendous volume and bounce. I wonder if it’s a mousse he uses or just gelI think Hair volume depends on how much body hair Newell has. It is typically thought of as how much lift there is at the root, how full hair appears, and how thick it feels. Natural volume is determined by how many hair follicles grow per square inch of area on one's scalp and the thickness of those follicles. Heading a ball x amount of times during a players career can cause thinning although should not impact on heading ability

Sir David Gray can testify to that, zero fringe impingement occurred on 90+2 🤣

[hibsbollah]

I think Hair volume depends on how much body hair Newell has. It is typically thought of as how much lift there is at the root, how full hair appears, and how thick it feels. Natural volume is determined by how many hair follicles grow per square inch of area on one's scalp and the thickness of those follicles. Heading a ball x amount of times during a players career can cause thinning although should not impact on heading ability

Sir David Gray can testify to that, zero fringe impingement occurred on 90+2 🤣

This is tremendous knowledge :aok: I had no idea we were going to get into body hair. I’d hazard a guess that Darren McGregor has the most of the current Hibs squad. Zander Clark too, but he’s a hearts **** now so he’s probably also rife with lice and ridden with hair-borne diseases. Tramp.

[Bridge hibs]

This is tremendous knowledge :aok: I had no idea we were going to get into body hair. I’d hazard a guess that Darren McGregor has the most of the current Hibs squad. Zander Clark too, but he’s a hearts **** now so he’s probably also rife with lice and ridden with hair-borne diseases. Tramp.Only from previous experience of having hair. Yeah body hair can have an impact on performance on the pitch too believe it or not. Sweat and itching can put players off, particularly if they have to stop to claw their erses, some players can claw discreetly though

Remember footage of Lineker many years back in the world cup and he was meant to have shat his pants and sat on the pitch waving his hands, he wasnt looking for bog roll or shat, he was just scratching his ring on the pitch

Disruption tactics and I can see how Norrieg is annoyed by Newells antics during the game

Oh and I agree about that hearts keeper, that beard is alive 😵

[MWHIBBIES]

What the ****** does BOOMER patter mean. You obviously don't watch him during the game.

Its absolute ''yer da in the pub patter'' mate. He fixes his hair? I mean, seriously? Does that actually matter?

[Tyler Durden]

What the ****** does BOOMER patter mean. You obviously don't watch him during the game.

Your banter is honking. Your chat is pish. Etc

[hibsbollah]

What the ****** does BOOMER patter mean. You obviously don't watch him during the game.

Boomer means you’re a Zoomer.

[MrSmith]

Boomer means you’re a Zoomer.

Thought a boomer was a kid of the 60s like a millennial is a kid of the 80s? Funk knows lol 😂

[J-C]

Thought a boomer was a kid of the 60s like a millennial is a kid of the 80s? Funk knows lol 😂

Boomers were kids born after WW2 and up to around early 60's.

[hibsbollah]

Remember footage of Lineker many years back in the world cup and he was meant to have shat his pants and sat on the pitch waving his hands, he wasnt looking for bog roll or shat, he was just scratching his ring on the pitch
😵

:faf:

[paddy1875]

I hope we’re all proved wrong about newell on Monday.

Fingers crossed he plays a blinder


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[B.H.F.C]

I hope we’re all proved wrong about newell on Monday.

Fingers crossed he plays a blinder


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No just him. Them all.

It is what we all actually want.

[Norrieg]

Boomers were kids born after WW2 and up to around early 60's.

That's me, and proud of it. At least I got to see some great players. :not worth:not worth:not worth

[eastterrace]

That's me, and proud of it. At least I got to see some great players. :not worth:not worth:not worthyeh no like the crap we watch now and also we have boom radio to listen too.

[Ozyhibby]

I hope we’re all proved wrong about newell on Monday.

Fingers crossed he plays a blinder


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Nobody is getting proved right or wrong about Newell on Monday.


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[FilipinoHibs]

That's me, and proud of it. At least I got to see some great players. :not worth:not worth:not worth

We had rationing, but benefitted from the Spirit of 45 government and free education, free Heath care, a welfare state and good state housing. We had the famous five, the Baker boy and the Tornadoes. How lucky were we?

[Norrieg]

We had rationing, but benefitted from the Spirit of 45 government and free education, free Heath care, a welfare state and good state housing. We had the famous five, the Baker boy and the Tornadoes. How lucky were we?

Stop it. You'll have me crying into my pint. The menton of the Baker boy gets me started. Best centre forward I ever saw and straight from Armadale Juniors at 17 YEARS OLD !!! Does that not tell you something.?

[Hibiza]

Boomers were kids born after WW2 and up to around early 60's.

Too young to be a " Zoomer Boomer "

[Alfred E Newman]

Boomers were kids born after WW2 and up to around early 60's.

The day I was born Hibs were preparing to kick off the 48/49 season as Champions.

[21sMay]

Hope joe starts tomorrow, good feeling about Joe tomorrow

[SteveHFC]

Can we rip up his contract.

Imposter.

[Basildon Hibs]

Hope joe starts tomorrow, good feeling about Joe tomorrow

🤣🤣🤣

[Paulie Walnuts]

Can we rip up his contract.

Imposter.

Probably the player in our squad that I would be happiest to see go.

[keep the faith]

Probably the player in our squad that I would be happiest to see go.

Really? You have never said.... 😴

[Paulie Walnuts]

Really? You have never said.... 😴

I’ve literally never said that before.

[keep the faith]

I’ve literally never said that before.

Apologies if you haven't said that. The regular Newall slating from a few posters is so tiresome though.

[The Modfather]

Newell is having a better second half. However it’s after the game is already lost, and Hearts are sitting deep allowing him time and space.

[Ozyhibby]

Apologies if you haven't said that. The regular Newall slating from a few posters is so tiresome though.

Not as tiresome as having to watch him stroll around our midfield with not a care in the world.[emoji849]


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[blackpoolhibs]

Are you all forgetting his world class performance and goal spree away in Bonnyrig?

[Mutu]

Not as tiresome as having to watch him stroll around our midfield with not a care in the world.[emoji849]


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What you on aboute. The amount of chances he's created for forward players this game has been clear to see.

Case in point just now. Great ball out wide to create multiple chances - our forwards can't finish their dinner as usual. Joke.

[truehibernian]

Apologies if you haven't said that. The regular Newall slating from a few posters is so tiresome though.

May be but he’s the first to go in January for me 👍 offers absolutely nothing of any worth to this side, experienced player who plays like an amateur when it really matters.

[keep the faith]

What you on aboute. The amount of chances he's created for forward players this game has been clear to see.

Case in point just now. Great ball out wide to create multiple chances - our forwards can't finish their dinner as usual. Joke.

Correct. Newell is the least of our issues. The "experts" views on here are as inaccurate as they are boring.

[Ozyhibby]

Correct. Newell is the least of our issues. The "experts" views on here are as inaccurate as they are boring.

That’s the thing with Newell, he’s always the second worse player on the pitch so there is always someone else to blame.

In his defence, Newell was better second half when we overloaded the midfield and Hearts had taken their foot of the gas which gave him space to play.
Couldn’t do it in the first half though when the game was still live.


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[cameronw-hfc]

That’s the thing with Newell, he’s always the second worse player on the pitch so there is always someone else to blame.

In his defence, Newell was better second half when we overloaded the midfield and Hearts had taken their foot of the gas which gave him space to play.
Couldn’t do it in the first half though when the game was still live.


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He's very rarely the worst or even second worst, but he's also rarely the best on the park. Fish, Hanlon, Lewis, Campbell, all way worse than Newell today.

[CL0762]

What you on aboute. The amount of chances he's created for forward players this game has been clear to see.

Case in point just now. Great ball out wide to create multiple chances - our forwards can't finish their dinner as usual. Joke.

****ing class doing that at 2-0 down, what a player he is.

[truehibernian]

****ing class doing that at 2-0 down, what a player he is.

Don’t worry he’ll be pinging golf balls around a golf course tomorrow not giving a flying one what we all think 👍

[CapitalGreen]

Correct. Newell is the least of our issues. The "experts" views on here are as inaccurate as they are boring.

You must have been asleep during the first half when Hearts players were continually waltzing through the middle of our midfield unopposed.

[CL0762]

Don’t worry he’ll be pinging golf balls around a golf course tomorrow not giving a flying one what we all think 👍

I don’t doubt he cares, giving up his Christmas Day to help out the community foundation is to be commended.

But he’s not good enough. I’m sorry I don’t care what ‘stats’ people show me, what I see with my own eyes is a player who is so far out his depth it’s unbelievable.

[B.H.F.C]

He's very rarely the worst or even second worst, but he's also rarely the best on the park. Fish, Hanlon, Lewis, Campbell, all way worse than Newell today.

Rarely the worst but always there.

I wouldn’t actually single him out today but I think he perfectly demonstrates our issue. He runs about, really looking to make a difference……when it’s too late. Do it before the game is lost. The determination Hearts showed to keep the ball out of their net in comparison to us. Shankland’s first goal, Newell is standing next to him but who is on their toes and desperate to get to the ball? Roles reversed and I think aw Hearts player got something on every ball in to the box and every subsequent loose ball when we had them under pressure second half. Our players, not just Newell, don’t have that determination.

[WestStandWillie]

He offers nothing positive to the team. Crap at set pieces, crap at defending and just fouls opponents when he loses the baw.

I’ve never understood how a player so bad at set pieces continues to take them. The mind truly boggles.

[DaveF]

Couldn’t do it in the first half though when the game was still live.


He never does. All his so called good work is done when a game is long lost or when we are up against 10 men. I'd be very happy never to see him in a Hibs line up ever again.

[truehibernian]

I don’t doubt he cares, giving up his Christmas Day to help out the community foundation is to be commended.

But he’s not good enough. I’m sorry I don’t care what ‘stats’ people show me, what I see with my own eyes is a player who is so far out his depth it’s unbelievable.

The first part of your post, indeed, commendable, but that’s the very least I expect of a professional footballer who gets well paid - nurses, police, council staff, etc do exactly that too for no reward or acclaim.

He’s a football player, experienced, and very very rarely changes or alters a game to our advantage - I literally struggle to identify a game where he has. Not only that, in adversity, he’s never dragged us back into a game. In that sense, he’s an incredibly limited player who is lucky to be at Hibs, let alone a top flight Scottish club. There’s no defending him anymore - you drop players that Ofer nothing, and if there’s not a youth player or alternative to replace him, more shame on the management and recruitment.

As I keep saying, he’s one of the first who’d be off in January and would not be missed.

[BoomtownHibees]

Gid long throws though

[norhfc]

Hate to say it but today Snodgras strolled through the game. Kept the ball moving and rarely gave it away. Meanwhile our midfield 🥴

[B.H.F.C]

Hate to say it but today Snodgras strolled through the game. Kept the ball moving and rarely gave it away. Meanwhile our midfield 🥴

Snodgrass was the best player on the pitch by an absolute mile.

[loanheadhibby]

Hate to say it but today Snodgras strolled through the game. Kept the ball moving and rarely gave it away. Meanwhile our midfield 🥴

Sadly, Snodgrass was excellent today. He has real quality. I thought McKay gave us loads of problems as well.

[FitbaFolkKen]

The highlight of the game was Joe leaning back into that lot before taking a long throw and taunting the clowns. Right after Stevenson had given someone grief for a being a fat *******. Quite grim that that was the highlight though…..

I know lots disagree but I don’t think Joe is the problem with this team. Some of his diagonal balls and through balls were cracking today. We’ve no end product and I think we are weak out wide. Defensively we look frail at full back and offensively it’s a lottery on what you get from the wide men. Youan is as likely to let a ball bounce over his head as he is to take it and beat three men.


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[Paulie Walnuts]

Hate to say it but today Snodgras strolled through the game. Kept the ball moving and rarely gave it away. Meanwhile our midfield 🥴

In the last few seasons they’ve signed Cochrane who we should have been able to get seeing as we had a link up with Brighton at the time, Halkett, Kingsley, Halliday, Mackay, Snodgrass, Shankland and Boyce.

All of them should have been on our radar. We might well not have got them, but the thing is that I fully suspect they wouldn’t have even been considered by us due to the route we’ve went down. They wouldn’t have had enough potential to be sold on for a profit.

[JamesHFC]

Snodgrass was the best player on the pitch by an absolute mile.

We should have been all over him. Was gutted in January when he went to Luton instead of us.

[Bostonhibby]

In the last few seasons they’ve signed Cochrane who we should have been able to get seeing as we had a link up with Brighton at the time, Halkett, Kingsley, Halliday, Mackay, Snodgrass, Shankland and Boyce.

All of them should have been on our radar. We might well not have got them, but the thing is that I fully suspect they wouldn’t have even been considered by us due to the route we’ve went down. They wouldn’t have had enough potential to be sold on for a profit.[emoji106]

Our recruitment policy, for want of a better phrase, isnt going to work in the scottish game.

Hearts have gone for the oven ready turkey version very successfully and more often than not will get a decent festive feast, we are trying to grow our own quinoa and are starving in the process.

Good big telly's though.

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[Ozyhibby]

The highlight of the game was Joe leaning back into that lot before taking a long throw and taunting the clowns. Right after Stevenson had given someone grief for a being a fat *******. Quite grim that that was the highlight though…..

I know lots disagree but I don’t think Joe is the problem with this team. Some of his diagonal balls and through balls were cracking today. We’ve no end product and I think we are weak out wide. Defensively we look frail at full back and offensively it’s a lottery on what you get from the wide men. Youan is as likely to let a ball bounce over his head as he is to take it and beat three men.


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Would Newell get in the Hearts team ahead of Devlin, Snodgrass or Mackay?


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[hibsbollah]

It’s just weird to pick out Newell today. While not being that bothered if he left and found a better replacement, he was his usual mix of good and less good, up against frankly better players whom we can’t afford. Not even the top five of our problems.

[CapitalGreen]

Would Newell get in the Hearts team ahead of Devlin, Snodgrass or Mackay?


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Newell wouldn’t get on the Hearts bench ahead of Grant and Kio.

[BoomtownHibees]

It’s just weird to pick out Newell today. While not being that bothered if he left and found a better replacement, he was his usual mix of good and less good, up against frankly better players whom we can’t afford. Not even the top five of our problems.

Who in the Hearts midfield could we not afford?

[RossScott1991]

The next manager will be Joe Newells 5th in his time at hibs. Says it all really, he’s an absolute poser. Time to get rid.

[hibsbollah]

Who in the Hearts midfield could we not afford?

The three who played today? I don’t particularly rate Devlin, but Snodgrass and Mackay (if you can describe him as a midfielder)

[BoomtownHibees]

The three who played today? I don’t particularly rate Devlin, but Snodgrass and Mackay (if you can describe him as a midfielder)

I’d be surprised if we couldn’t afford them at the time Hearts signed them. Don’t see Devlin being on a massive wage, Snodgrass was close to signing for Motherwell

[SRHibs]

Thought Newell was the least of our worries today tbh. Wouldn't be bothered if all 11 were replaced though.

[truehibernian]

Will anyone ever concede he’s rubbish ?

[FitbaFolkKen]

Would Newell get in the Hearts team ahead of Devlin, Snodgrass or Mackay?


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I wasn’t talking about Hearts but I’m not a fan of Mackay, I thought Snodgrass was excellent and Devlin is a different type of player.

Personally don’t think he is a major problem, I think we need to improve in other areas as a priority before worrying about Joe.

From the current squad the only ones I would be bothered if they left would be Marshall, Joe, Magennis, Nisbet and Boyle. Some of the younger guys have potential, I could see Melkerson and Kenneh doing well in the future but we are at a point of needing quality now. I’m presuming Porto is away.


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[CapitalGreen]

The three who played today? I don’t particularly rate Devlin, but Snodgrass and Mackay (if you can describe him as a midfielder)

Both Snodgrass and MacKay were available all summer before Hearts moved for them late in the window. Snodgrass was very close to accepting an offer from Motherwell.

Devlin is a good player and would walk into our midfield at present.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I’d be surprised if we couldn’t afford them at the time Hearts signed them. Don’t see Devlin being on a massive wage, Snodgrass was close to signing for Motherwell

:agree:

We couldn’t afford to buy them from Hearts, absolutely.

Other than Shankland and Gordon though I’d be surprised if we couldn’t have afforded the majority of players Hearts have playing for them. We just wouldn’t have had any interest in them as the majority of them won’t have much of a sell on value.

[hibsbollah]

Will anyone ever concede he’s rubbish ?

:faf: what do you mean? He’s constantly being described as that by virtually everyone on here. If you suggest that there’s shades of grey to the debate you get vilified as some sort of Newell sycophant. As I say, weird. If he’s done what Fish did today I’d have understood it better.

[Not In The Know]

Stevenson is a club legend. He has achieved what he has with a good dose of skill but more professionalism and determination. The fact that he’s still a better choice than the last twenty excuses for a professional footballer we have just signed is a disgrace. I shudder to think how much we are praying some of the pi55 in our team.

[wookie70]

The highlight of the game was Joe leaning back into that lot before taking a long throw and taunting the clowns. Right after Stevenson had given someone grief for a being a fat *******. Quite grim that that was the highlight though…..

I know lots disagree but I don’t think Joe is the problem with this team. Some of his diagonal balls and through balls were cracking today. We’ve no end product and I think we are weak out wide. Defensively we look frail at full back and offensively it’s a lottery on what you get from the wide men. Youan is as likely to let a ball bounce over his head as he is to take it and beat three men.


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That was my view too. I thought he played reasonably well today overall but his passing was actually much better and he put Youan into great positions throughout the game. None of those positions even resulted in a reasonable cross and Stevenson put in about our only decent ball across but McKirdy was on his heels. I think if you stuck Joe in that Hearts team he would look a good player. At Hibs there is no plan, no cohesion and players don't help each other out by making a wee run to get a mate out of bother. We adopt the attitude that if you have teh ball it is your problem and Joe is one of teh few players who actually looks like he can trap a bag of cement

[Not In The Know]

Thought Newell was the least of our worries today tbh. Wouldn't be bothered if all 11 were replaced though.

He is tho. His role in the team should be to (try) and conduct our play. The amount of times he gets the ball from a defender and then passes it straight back is embarrassing.

[Mutu]

I'd be singling out Nisbet, Youan (!), McKirdy, Fish, Campbell & Cadden ahead of Newell today. Actually went looking for the ball and was willing to be brave. In particular he played some lovely balls into the channels today for our forwards to do nothing with. Not that this matters when you are the club whipping boy though.

[The Modfather]

I'd be singling out Nisbet, Youan (!), McKirdy, Fish, Campbell & Cadden ahead of Newell today. Actually went looking for the ball and was willing to be brave. In particular he played some lovely balls into the channels today for our forwards to do nothing with. Not that this matters when you are the club whipping boy though.

He did play a lot better in the second half. However my criticism would be that it was after the game was already lost. Also, part of why he improved was that Hearts had a lead to protect and sat in deeper, giving him more space, IMO. When the game was in the balance and a battle he, and everyone else, was found wanting.

Over the piece him and Campbell lost the midfield battle IMO.

[CapitalGreen]

I'd be singling out Nisbet, Youan (!), McKirdy, Fish, Campbell & Cadden ahead of Newell today. Actually went looking for the ball and was willing to be brave. In particular he played some lovely balls into the channels today for our forwards to do nothing with. Not that this matters when you are the club whipping boy though.

Did you start watching the game at half time?

[truehibernian]

Folk defending Joe Newell for ‘taunting the crowd’ - deary deary me, he’s an utterly ineffective footballer WHEN IT COUNTS !!!

There’s no debate, no arguments, as LJ - as bad as he is states - mediocre personified! He’s brutal !

[Ozyhibby]

I'd be singling out Nisbet, Youan (!), McKirdy, Fish, Campbell & Cadden ahead of Newell today. Actually went looking for the ball and was willing to be brave. In particular he played some lovely balls into the channels today for our forwards to do nothing with. Not that this matters when you are the club whipping boy though.

So is he good enough to play for Hearts?


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[FitbaFolkKen]

Folk defending Joe Newell for ‘taunting the crowd’ - deary deary me, he’s an utterly ineffective footballer WHEN IT COUNTS !!!

There’s no debate, no arguments, as LJ - as bad as he is states - mediocre personified! He’s brutal !

Behave, I flagged up something that made me laugh today.

Shut the board down Truehibernian has spoken, no room for debate here.


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[Winston Ingram]

Proper weird to pick out Newell today. No thread of Youan or Nisbet. We could’ve played until next Christmas wi that pair and no scored.

[Ozyhibby]

Proper weird to pick out Newell today. No thread of Youan or Nisbet. We could’ve played until next Christmas wi that pair and no scored.

There is plenty of criticism of both those players. This thread pre dates today’s game. There is a reason for that.


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[WeeRussell]

Proper weird to pick out Newell today. No thread of Youan or Nisbet. We could’ve played until next Christmas wi that pair and no scored.

You been choking for Nisbet to stop scoring so you could resume your “weird” obsession?

[CapitalGreen]

You been choking for Nisbet to stop scoring so you could resume your “weird” obsession?

😂😂😂

[Ozyhibby]

You been choking for Nisbet to stop scoring so you could resume your “weird” obsession?

He’s scored two in his last four games? [emoji2369]


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[LeithMike]

The centre of midfield pretty much dictates how a game goes. You want your best and most mobile players in there not your least worst players. Sadly Newell doesn’t have the game for it. Yes he can play well against lesser or depleted opposition but he’ll not get you anywhere against good or pressing teams.

I don’t think anyone can disagree that we are shocking and if that is the case then something must be up in midfield.


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[Fergus52]

:agree:

We couldn’t afford to buy them from Hearts, absolutely.

Other than Shankland and Gordon though I’d be surprised if we couldn’t have afforded the majority of players Hearts have playing for them. We just wouldn’t have had any interest in them as the majority of them won’t have much of a sell on value.

Their wage bill is several million per year higher than ours, we wouldn't have been able to compete with hearts for any of those players

[Ozyhibby]

Their wage bill is several million per year higher than ours, we wouldn't have been able to compete with hearts for any of those players

Can you stand that claim up?
I personally think it’s nonsense and we could have signed any of those players.
I haven’t seen any of those who regularly defend Newell come out and say he’s good enough for Hearts? And if he’s not good enough for Hearts then why the **** should we put up with him?


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[hibsbollah]

Can you stand that claim up?
I personally think it’s nonsense and we could have signed any of those players.
I haven’t seen any of those who regularly defend Newell come out and say he’s good enough for Hearts? And if he’s not good enough for Hearts then why the **** should we put up with him?


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We don’t care whether he’s ‘good enough for hearts’ because I’m not a hearts fan, so it’s a stupid question. As it happens, I think hearts have a system and a culture that is more important than individual players.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Their wage bill is several million per year higher than ours, we wouldn't have been able to compete with hearts for any of those players

We can sign them before them though. We don’t always need to be ‘competing’ with them.

Snodgrass never had a club for ages. Did we go in for him in the summer when he never had a club? We wouldn’t have been competing with hearts then if we did.

Hearts signed Halliday in September 20 after it was announced in May he was leaving Rangers in May 2020. Again, that’s 4 months where you wouldn’t have been competing with Hearts.

Mackay left Swansea in May 21 and was another who didn’t come in until the September. A 4 month window where you wouldn’t have to compete with Hearts.

These guys should all have been made offers by Hibs and we could have made those offers from January on pre contracts all the way through to the September when they signed for Hearts. They might well not have come but they would absolutely have considered it when they were watching transfer windows close and they never had clubs.

[McD]

Can you stand that claim up?
I personally think it’s nonsense and we could have signed any of those players.
I haven’t seen any of those who regularly defend Newell come out and say he’s good enough for Hearts? And if he’s not good enough for Hearts then why the **** should we put up with him?


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I think if you were an opposition manager, you’d look at Newell as someone you can get some joy from. Doesn’t ever seem to sprint anywhere, doesn’t track his man well or consistently, switches off regularly, will give up free kicks, and doesn’t ever take a game by the scruff of the neck.

[Ozyhibby]

We don’t care whether he’s ‘good enough for hearts’ because I’m not a hearts fan, so it’s a stupid question. As it happens, I think hearts have a system and a culture that is more important than individual players.

I think you’ve answered my question. You know Newell wouldn’t get anywhere near their team. You just can’t bring yourself to say it.
And you are correct, their culture would not let him anywhere near their squad.


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[mcohibs]

I think you’ve answered my question. You know Newell wouldn’t get anywhere near their team. You just can’t bring yourself to say it.
And you are correct, their culture would not let him anywhere near their squad.


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None of our starting lineup get into that Hearts team

[jeffers]

Their wage bill is several million per year higher than ours, we wouldn't have been able to compete with hearts for any of those players

I disagree. We could have signed Shankland by all accounts, board wouldn’t pay the money at the time but he was apparently prepared to sign. We then proceeded to pay stupid wages to other players who have contributed hee haw.

[hibsbollah]

I think you’ve answered my question. You know Newell wouldn’t get anywhere near their team. You just can’t bring yourself to say it.
And you are correct, their culture would not let him anywhere near their squad.


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:faf: I can’t bring myself to say it :faf:
Yes you’ve baffled and overwhelmed me with your rapier-like questioning.

[Ozyhibby]

:faf: I can’t bring myself to say it :faf:
Yes you’ve baffled and overwhelmed me with your rapier-like questioning.

Answer the question then? Is Newell good enough to get in the Hearts team?


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[Paulie Walnuts]

None of our starting lineup get into that Hearts team

The sad thing is it’s not far off true.

Starting line ups today i reckon Marshall does and possibly Rocky. That’s it.

[Ozyhibby]

The sad thing is it’s not far off true.

Starting line ups today i reckon Marshall does and possibly Rocky. That’s it.

I think once Magennis gets back to full fitness then he is very close. And the same applies to Nisbet.


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[hibsbollah]

Answer the question then? Is Newell good enough to get in the Hearts team?


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If you’d paid attention I’ve already answered it. Hearts culture looks to me like they demand players play in a certain way. It’s about the system not the individuals. They make their players play in a system that works for them. So yeah, he’d probably do fine in that team. They’d have him playing in a different role .

Things are sometimes not as simple as you’d like to make out.

[Ozyhibby]

If you’d paid attention I’ve already answered it. Hearts culture looks to me like they demand players play in a certain way. It’s about the system not the individuals. They make their players play in a system that works for them. So yeah, he’d probably do fine in that team. They’d have him playing in a different role .

Things are sometimes not as simple as you’d like to make out.

Interesting. Fair play for making a stand for him. What role would he play in Hearts set up and who would drop out of their line up?


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[hibsbollah]

Interesting. Fair play for making a stand for him. What role would he play in Hearts set up and who would drop out of their line up?


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I have no idea. I have very little interest in making up an Edinburgh eleven all star team. The whole idea gives me a little bit of sick in the throat to be honest

[FitbaFolkKen]

Interesting. Fair play for making a stand for him. What role would he play in Hearts set up and who would drop out of their line up?


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It's a bit of an odd line of questioning is it not? I'm not really interested in who from our team would get in a Hearts team. I think we can build a decent side round Joe, Marshall, Magennis, Boyle and Nisbet. Whether or not another team would want them is irrelevant.

[Ozyhibby]

It's a bit of an odd line of questioning is it not? I'm not really interested in who from our team would get in a Hearts team. I think we can build a decent side round Joe, Marshall, Magennis, Boyle and Nisbet. Whether or not another team would want them is irrelevant.

I don’t think we can just ignore our competition like that.
Joe has been here for a few years now and there is little evidence that a team could be built round him.
Agree with the others though.


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[FitbaFolkKen]

I don’t think we can just ignore our competition like that.
Joe has been here for a few years now and there is little evidence that a team could be built round him.
Agree with the others though.


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Obviously we want to beat them but I don't think you can compare man for man. It's not as simple as that. If you look at the transfer strategies we've failed at bringing in young talent with a long term plan whereas Hearts seem to go for more first team ready older players. I suspect they aren't as concerned with resale due to the funds being pumped in from FOH and benefactors.

We will never agree on Newell, no harm in agreeing to differ on a player.

[Ozyhibby]

Obviously we want to beat them but I don't think you can compare man for man. It's not as simple as that. If you look at the transfer strategies we've failed at bringing in young talent with a long term plan whereas Hearts seem to go for more first team ready older players. I suspect they aren't as concerned with resale due to the funds being pumped in from FOH and benefactors.

We will never agree on Newell, no harm in agreeing to differ on a player.

And euro football will be bringing in a fair chunk of change as well.


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[FitbaFolkKen]

And euro football will be bringing in a fair chunk of change as well.


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100%, criminal that we didn't build on 3rd and consolidate when we were in that position.

[Stuart93]

Obviously we want to beat them but I don't think you can compare man for man. It's not as simple as that. If you look at the transfer strategies we've failed at bringing in young talent with a long term plan whereas Hearts seem to go for more first team ready older players. I suspect they aren't as concerned with resale due to the funds being pumped in from FOH and benefactors.

We will never agree on Newell, no harm in agreeing to differ on a player.

I’d rather we start doing what hearts are doing

Even there last minute loan signings turn out to be decent

[FitbaFolkKen]

I’d rather we start doing what hearts are doing

Even there last minute loan signings turn out to be decent

Aye I said we had failed in our strategy, first team clearly suffering.

[madhatter]

Aye I said we had failed in our strategy, first team clearly suffering.

We should only have signed 3-4 youthful prospects (max). Rest of the budget should have been for 24-29 year olds with some experience. Can still be from foreign markets just not players that have played 0 first team games.

Melkersen, Hauge, McLelland, Miller, Tavares, Kenneh...too many players that haven't played first team games

Rocky has played the most first team games he's ever played with us...

I think Hibs recruitment strategy should have the codename "PUNTS".

[Ozyhibby]

We should only have signed 3-4 youthful prospects (max). Rest of the budget should have been for 24-29 year olds with some experience. Can still be from foreign markets just not players that have played 0 first team games.

Melkersen, Hauge, McLelland, Miller, Tavares, Kenneh...too many players that haven't played first team games

Rocky has played the most first team games he's ever played with us...

I think Hibs recruitment strategy should have the codename "PUNTS".

Henderson as well.


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[MWHIBBIES]

:faf: I can’t bring myself to say it :faf:
Yes you’ve baffled and overwhelmed me with your rapier-like questioning.

:faf:

[Ozyhibby]

:faf:

As Joe Newell’s no.1 fan, you can take a crack at the question if you like?


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[MWHIBBIES]

As Joe Newell’s no.1 fan, you can take a crack at the question if you like?


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Na, I'm actually enjoying your meltdown, answering you might shorten it. Its like, its my fault every time he plays bad now. Its brilliant.

I'd said my piece of Newell many times.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Doesn’t ever seem to sprint anywhere, doesn’t track his man well or consistently, switches off regularly, will give up free kicks, and doesn’t ever take a game by the scruff of the neck.

Have to say, this is a near perfect description of Joe Newell.

[paddy1875]

Would we be a better team if we directly replaced joe newell with Robert snodgrass?


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[Ozyhibby]

Na, I'm actually enjoying your meltdown, answering you might shorten it. Its like, its my fault every time he plays bad now. Its brilliant.

I'd said my piece of Newell many times.

Fair enough if your just trolling. Have fun.[emoji106]


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[Ozyhibby]

Would we be a better team if we directly replaced joe newell with Robert snodgrass?


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Can’t get anyone to say that any Hearts mid isn’t better than Newell so I’d say yes.


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[paddy1875]

Can’t get anyone to say that any Hearts mid isn’t better than Newell so I’d say yes.


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Just find it mental we never even tried for him. Never got out of 2nd gear today. Strolled it.

He did try up it 2nd half newell but it’s all just huff and puff. He could maybe be better if we invested in a decent midfield in there with him.


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[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Would we be a better team if we directly replaced joe newell with Robert snodgrass?


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Is that actually a question? Of course we would, Snodgrass is twice the player Newell is


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[Baader]

Would we be a better team if we directly replaced joe newell with Robert snodgrass?


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Yes

[paddy1875]

Is that actually a question? Of course we would, Snodgrass is twice the player Newell is


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I’m just trying to make a point about people saying you cant compare him and newell man for man.

Snodgrass is light years ahead of newell. It’s easy to see. Can’t believe we were never interested in the summer.


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[MrRobot]

He is tho. His role in the team should be to (try) and conduct our play. The amount of times he gets the ball from a defender and then passes it straight back is embarrassing.

He can’t pass toward if there is nothing ahead of him.

I’m a fan of newell, although it’s beginning to wear thin a little, but there is so often so little options in that retaining the ball is the best move unfortunately unfortunately.

the team needs overhauled, badly. we need creative players who find space and actually have movement further up the pitch. i’m sure with players like that ahead of him, newell would have a part to play. that said, im at the point where i couldn’t care if the majority of the team was binned and replaced.

[WestStandWillie]

He can’t pass toward if there is nothing ahead of him.

I’m a fan of newell, although it’s beginning to wear thin a little, but there is so often so little options in that retaining the ball is the best move unfortunately unfortunately.

the team needs overhauled, badly. we need creative players who find space and actually have movement further up the pitch. i’m sure with players like that ahead of him, newell would have a part to play. that said, im at the point where i couldn’t care if the majority of the team was binned and replaced.

Guy is rotten.

Can’t take a set piece, fouls the opposition when he loses the ball. Should have been binned a long time ago.

[blackpoolhibs]

Guy is rotten.

Can’t take a set piece, fouls the opposition when he loses the ball. Should have been binned a long time ago.
Ah but his long throws are fantastic.