Bin strikes

[Lendo]

Take it is the city centre clean up first then get to the council estates later on, good that they get the city centre nice and clean for the tourists but the folk who pay for this have rats running about in schemes around Edinburgh, as was seen in Drylaw today, what a f***ing mess it is in at the shops.

Princes Street and Shandwick Place had their bins emptied this morning. Also saw a bin lorry in the New Town. Can’t risk upsetting the folks in the well-to-do areas.

[xyz23jc]

Couldn't Edinburgh Council use some of their reserves. They have nearly a 1/4 billion in cash reserves and at least 25 million of that general fund is unallocated.


Cou..Cough..Cougghh..! LIEBOUR REAL POLITIK! :rolleyes:

[xyz23jc]

:top marks:agree:
Unbearably simplistic view of an inherently complex issue.

[ronaldo7]

Sounds terrible. So why did they do it then?

Also, if I may say so, this reads a bit like a pre-prepared polemic. Is it taken from somewhere?


2015 article in the Scotsman(not known as an snp fan boi)

Scottish Government council tax freeze “over-funded”
THE council tax freeze is not underfunded and claims that the Scottish Government does not offer a fair deal to local authorities are not borne out by statistics, Scottish Parliament researchers have found.

The Scottish Government faces frequent criticism from opposition parties, councils and unions over the money it hands to local authorities, with claims of increasing centralisation and a failure to properly compensate councils for the SNP’s flagship pledge to keep council tax frozen.

However, the Scottish Parliament Research Centre (Spice) found the council tax freeze is actually “overfunded”.

It added: “Since the council tax freeze was introduced in 2008-09, there has been much debate over whether it is ‘underfunded’ - whether the additional £70 million paid to local authorities each year is enough to cover what could have been raised had local authorities had control over rates.

In fact, the money provided by the Government to freeze the council tax has resulted in local authorities receiving more income than they would have done by increasing rates by RPI (retail price index).

“The council tax base has increased over this period due to factors such as revaluations of existing properties and new properties, which will have the effect of increasing council tax income despite the freeze.

“Therefore, on the basis that the freeze was intended to compensate for a foregone per annum increase in council tax, it could be said that the freeze, over the period 2008-09 to 2013-14, was ‘overfunded’.

“In total, over the six years, this has resulted in an estimated £164.9 extra going to local government as a result of the freeze.

Happy to be corrected, but I thought all political parties had council tax freezes in their respective manifestos at the end.

[Moulin Yarns]

Unbearably simplistic view of an inherently complex issue.

It's almost like the money wouldn't have been spent in the years it was raised because all the councils are able to hang onto huge sums of money that aren't required for anything else! 🙄

[Stairway 2 7]

It's almost like the money wouldn't have been spent in the years it was raised because all the councils are able to hang onto huge sums of money that aren't required for anything else! 🙄

They wouldn't have had to have cut services constantly and would be in better health now. I'm surprised so many so called left wing are pro council tax freeze for all. The system should have changed years ago.

The money was always going to have come from scot gov as it isn't a one council issue. People said how can they when they can't borrow. Well guess what they found 350 million. Hopefully they find more for a fair deal then increase tax to pay for next year's trench. Up the workers

[Stairway 2 7]

Sounds terrible. So why did they do it then?

Also, if I may say so, this reads a bit like a pre-prepared polemic. Is it taken from somewhere?

His post is spot on though I'm sure you'll agree

[Moulin Yarns]

They wouldn't have had to have cut services constantly and would be in better health now. I'm surprised so many so called left wing are pro council tax freeze for all. The system should have changed years ago.

The money was always going to have come from scot gov as it isn't a one council issue. People said how can they when they can't borrow. Well guess what they found 350 million. Hopefully they find more for a fair deal then increase tax to pay for next year's trench. Up the workers

Pay now, tax later. Sounds like a Tory plan.

[grunt]

His post is spot on though I'm sure you'll agree

Well, no. I don't agree. It all sounds very one sided. If you read my reply, I asked what the justification was for the freeze if it was going to have such a terrible impact on the poor.

[Stairway 2 7]

Pay now, tax later. Sounds like a Tory plan.

What increase taxes right now mostly in the higher earners sounds zip like a tory plan. To be fair it's rumoured that's what the snp are planning, so maybe the followers on here will stop mocking it as a plan, as its spot on

[Stairway 2 7]

Well, no. I don't agree. It all sounds very one sided. If you read my reply, I asked what the justification was for the freeze if it was going to have such a terrible impact on the poor.

Populism is good for votes. No one likes rises. It didn't effect the worse off in society but a brucy bonus the higher your house band

[Stairway 2 7]

https://mobile.twitter.com/CarlSurvation/status/1564624527983779840


@CarlSurvation
Think we live in a divided country? Think again.

Only 7% of the public believe pay shouldn't rise in line with the cost of living.

New polling on the
@eiecampaign

For those asking about who the 7% are who don't think pay should rise in line with inflation; it's roughly twice as many men as women and twice as high for over 65 year olds

[grunt]

Populism is good for votes. No one likes rises. It didn't effect the worse off in society but a brucy bonus the higher your house band

The reply above certainly suggests a significant affect on the worse off?

[Stairway 2 7]

The reply above certainly suggests a significant affect on the worse off?

I meant they don't benefit financially it's the better off that do, whilst they are also disproportionately badly effected by the cuts. It's a poor policy

[grunt]

It's a poor policy

So you're telling me they enacted this poor policy for votes?

[hibsbollah]

The welfare state was originally conceived as a cradle to the grave provision for everyone. The whole essence of what Beveridge was trying to do was benefit the rich AND the poor universally, so casting aside forever the idea of stigmatising ‘handouts’ and ‘charity cases’. All were recipients, so society as a whole benefits and it is a recipient too.

So the concept of rich people benefitting from universal provision isn’t really a new problem to unravel. It isn’t an inherently poor policy or a failure in policy when Twenty First Century governments try universal provision. Because it has wider societal benefits. It’s a shame when people who profess to understand social policy or government don’t understand that. It just runs into trouble when it meets the spectre of limited resources, which is going to become more of a problem.

[silverhibee]

They're going back to the scheduled bin pickups aren't they? We've got our bins out for tomorrow.

I’m talking about the streets being cleaned, city centre seems to be getting a lot of attention while housing schemes in Edinburgh are not getting the same attention, when will they get round to tidying up places like Muirhouse Drylaw Niddrie and the rest of the schemes that the tourists don’t go to.

[Mibbes Aye]

Sounds terrible. So why did they do it then?

Also, if I may say so, this reads a bit like a pre-prepared polemic. Is it taken from somewhere?

All my own words, nothing pre-prepared, just formulated in response to yours. It's actually not that difficult to try, just involves reading, thinking and writing.......

Sadly, there's a bit too much of people posting links with no contribution of their own, or copy and pasting then posting with no reference to where they took it from.

[Mibbes Aye]

2015 article in the Scotsman(not known as an snp fan boi)

Scottish Government council tax freeze “over-funded”
THE council tax freeze is not underfunded and claims that the Scottish Government does not offer a fair deal to local authorities are not borne out by statistics, Scottish Parliament researchers have found.

The Scottish Government faces frequent criticism from opposition parties, councils and unions over the money it hands to local authorities, with claims of increasing centralisation and a failure to properly compensate councils for the SNP’s flagship pledge to keep council tax frozen.

However, the Scottish Parliament Research Centre (Spice) found the council tax freeze is actually “overfunded”.

It added: “Since the council tax freeze was introduced in 2008-09, there has been much debate over whether it is ‘underfunded’ - whether the additional £70 million paid to local authorities each year is enough to cover what could have been raised had local authorities had control over rates.

In fact, the money provided by the Government to freeze the council tax has resulted in local authorities receiving more income than they would have done by increasing rates by RPI (retail price index).

“The council tax base has increased over this period due to factors such as revaluations of existing properties and new properties, which will have the effect of increasing council tax income despite the freeze.

“Therefore, on the basis that the freeze was intended to compensate for a foregone per annum increase in council tax, it could be said that the freeze, over the period 2008-09 to 2013-14, was ‘overfunded’.

“In total, over the six years, this has resulted in an estimated £164.9 extra going to local government as a result of the freeze.

Happy to be corrected, but I thought all political parties had council tax freezes in their respective manifestos at the end.

That will be the same report that says

"...Other important points to note around using this data and analysis: this does not say whether local government as a whole has been “underfunded” or“overfunded”...

You need to steer clear of the headline and look at the boring detail :wink:

There is a spectacular point being missed in the analysis anyway. It is purely about the 2008-09 rate and RPI. That pays absolutely no heed whatsoever to increases in financial pressures that local authorities faced - primarily a massive and sustained hike in demand for social care, which isn't an optional spend for councils.

[Mibbes Aye]

Well, no. I don't agree. It all sounds very one sided. If you read my reply, I asked what the justification was for the freeze if it was going to have such a terrible impact on the poor.

The justification for the freeze was that it was popular and a vote-winner.

That's why it was front and centre in their manifestoes.

As I said originally, it was smart politics, just like the Tories in the 80s with their cuts to basic rate income tax. Incredibly popular.

The smart thing was how they dressed it up as them giving an inadequate settlement to councils as an increase. Any council who didn't play along would get their block grant cut back so that if they did have to increase council tax it would be to a level so probibitive it would be electoral suicide.

Aut the masterstroke was ensuring that any complaints about vital but non-ring-fenced services being cut would be directed at the councils not SG.

[Ozyhibby]

I think that reform of council tax, or any other individual tax, in Scotland has zero chance of happening. I think to reform one tax when you don’t have full control over all the other taxes within the economy is impossible. I think the only way that council tax is ever reformed is if England decides that they want to do it.
I personally think that it’s time councils were given more control and autonomy over how they raised money and how they spent it but I just don’t see how it’s possible in the current system?
In the US, individual states can levy income tax, capital gains and corporation tax. That’s impossible here. All council here can do is charge businesses rates on property within their area. All that does is encourage business to move online and we end up with empty shops everywhere.
I’m no expert on this stuff and not as learned as some but I def think that any meaningful reform would need to look at the whole tax system and not just one individual tax. And that’s impossible in Scotland. Hopefully England decide to do something soon. Truss is probably planning something, right?


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[Stairway 2 7]

I think that reform of council tax, or any other individual tax, in Scotland has zero chance of happening. I think to reform one tax when you don’t have full control over all the other taxes within the economy is impossible. I think the only way that council tax is ever reformed is if England decides that they want to do it.
I personally think that it’s time councils were given more control and autonomy over how they raised money and how they spent it but I just don’t see how it’s possible in the current system?
In the US, individual states can levy income tax, capital gains and corporation tax. That’s impossible here. All council here can do is charge businesses rates on property within their area. All that does is encourage business to move online and we end up with empty shops everywhere.
I’m no expert on this stuff and not as learned as some but I def think that any meaningful reform would need to look at the whole tax system and not just one individual tax. And that’s impossible in Scotland. Hopefully England decide to do something soon. Truss is probably planning something, right?


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Scotland already has a higher top tax rate. Sunday Times were reporting they are considering raising it higher
https://archive.ph/IMUJ5

[ronaldo7]

That will be the same report that says

"...Other important points to note around using this data and analysis: this does not say whether local government as a whole has been “underfunded” or“overfunded”...

You need to steer clear of the headline and look at the boring detail :wink:

There is a spectacular point being missed in the analysis anyway. It is purely about the 2008-09 rate and RPI. That pays absolutely no heed whatsoever to increases in financial pressures that local authorities faced - primarily a massive and sustained hike in demand for social care, which isn't an optional spend for councils.

Ah the halcyon days of 2008, deregulation of the banks, PFI contracts which are still costing us £1 billion a month, whilst having to rebuild the schools built using the contracts. Council tax rises up 62% from those in charge from 99 to 07, with no appreciable difference, whilst returning cash to London because we somehow didn't know what to spend it on.

Thanks for the reminder. The party then in power decided council tax freezes were de rigueur, and decided to put it into their manifesto. Copying the ruling party.

Anyone know what the great Gordo is up to now?

[Moulin Yarns]

Scotland already has a higher top tax rate. Sunday Times were reporting they are considering raising it higher
https://archive.ph/IMUJ5

I can't believe that I'm having to say this, but income tax is not a tax that funds local government.

[Stairway 2 7]

I can't believe that I'm having to say this, but income tax is not a tax that funds local government.

Who said it was?

[GlesgaeHibby]

I can't believe that I'm having to say this, but income tax is not a tax that funds local government.

Council tax only provides a fraction of local government funding (around 25% I think).

[Stairway 2 7]

Glasgow Council wanting to use scab workers via there contractor, to keep secondary schools open

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/20848861.gmb-scotland-slams-glasgows-council-opening-schools-strikes/

[overdrive]

I can't believe that I'm having to say this, but income tax is not a tax that funds local government.

Actually it does. Where do you think the grant funding local government gets (and accounts for more of their income than council tax) comes from?

[LewysGot2]

The justification for the freeze was that it was popular and a vote-winner.

That's why it was front and centre in their manifestoes.

As I said originally, it was smart politics, just like the Tories in the 80s with their cuts to basic rate income tax. Incredibly popular.

The smart thing was how they dressed it up as them giving an inadequate settlement to councils as an increase. Any council who didn't play along would get their block grant cut back so that if they did have to increase council tax it would be to a level so probibitive it would be electoral suicide.

Aut the masterstroke was ensuring that any complaints about vital but non-ring-fenced services being cut would be directed at the councils not SG.

Absolutely this. :agree:


Scotland already has a higher top tax rate. Sunday Times were reporting they are considering raising it higher
https://archive.ph/IMUJ5

Has it not resulted in an overall drop in tax take?

The sad thing about the phoney war over this tinkering with tax is that whilst there is the claim lots of people pay less tax in Scotland than elsewhere the underlying reason is they just earn so little. That’s not a good thing - where is the growth that allows for people to take home better incomes? And the amount they pay less than elsewhere is minimal. It’s peanuts. Spin again.


Council tax only provides a fraction of local government funding (around 25% I think).

Council tax doesn’t touch the sides of it. :agree:

[silverhibee]

Got my wee food bucket emptied today, hopefully get the others emptied later on as plenty buckets overflowing in the streeet.

[ronaldo7]

New deal on the table. No details yet.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-62766520?at_campaign=64&at_medium=custom7&at_custom3=%40BBCScotlandNews&at_custom2=twitter&at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D&at_custom4=57B8D030-2AC6-11ED-82FD-E19D96E8478F

BBC Scotland understands the new offer will mean a bigger pay rise for most staff instead of special cost of living payments this year and next.

The details of the offer are now being scrutinised by the three big council unions - Unison, Unite and the GMB.

Unison recommending members accept COSLA pay offer and suspending strike action next week.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220902/6c5752ee5a1eaa524ff46e58d262ce61.jpg

Great news.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Brilliant power in the unions still 👏 hope it encourages loads to join. Who's next

[Ozyhibby]

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/councils-table-new-pay-offer-after-talks-with-sturgeon-ahead-of-strikes?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1662131892-1


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[Betty Boop]

UNISON has now secured an improved offer from COSLA that they will put to their members with a recommendation to accept.



The offer consists of:




• An increase of £2000 for those earning up to £20,500




• An increase of £1925 for those earning between £20,500 to £39,000




• A 5 per cent increase for those earning between £39,000 to £60,000




• A maximum increase of £3k for those earning above £60,000


•The removal of SSSC fees where application (social care registration fees)
• 1 extra days annual leave.
• All increases based on a 36hr week calculator, which will reduce to a 35 hour week.

[grunt]

A useful intervention by Nicola Sturgeon? :wink:

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/304756255_3044239709199383_5291547106062660502_n.p ng?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=WkV9w_dssyQAX8C4Kps&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AT8IyKASp-_wFYVP24FZJIr6CjXrWPTwAn4oFqQy1hw2zw&oe=6317D24A

[stoneyburn hibs]

A useful intervention by Nicola Sturgeon? :wink:

She could have done so earlier to avoid last week's bin strikes.

[grunt]

she could have done so earlier to avoid last week's bin strikes.:greengrin

[Skol]

So swinney was right that he had nothing to do with it.

[The Harp Awakes]

She could have done so earlier to avoid last week's bin strikes.

So what do you suggest, the FM steps into every industrial dispute and resolves it? Maybe just maybe, organisations like COSLA could just stand up, do their job and sort things out themselves. The Edinburgh Labour/Tory Council have also been a disgrace throughout the dispute, bickering from the sidelines and doing nothing constructive to resolve it.

What a formidable FM we have. Like you, her political opponents will give her no credit of course.

Just think what she could achieve in an independent Scotland.

[hibsbollah]

UNISON has now secured an improved offer from COSLA that they will put to their members with a recommendation to accept.



The offer consists of:




• An increase of £2000 for those earning up to £20,500




• An increase of £1925 for those earning between £20,500 to £39,000




• A 5 per cent increase for those earning between £39,000 to £60,000




• A maximum increase of £3k for those earning above £60,000


•The removal of SSSC fees where application (social care registration fees)
• 1 extra days annual leave.
• All increases based on a 36hr week calculator, which will reduce to a 35 hour week.

So 10% for the poorest paid and between 5-10% for 95% of the rest, below management . That’s quite a result. Well done everyone involved :aok:

[stoneyburn hibs]

So what do you suggest, the FM steps into every industrial dispute and resolves it? Maybe just maybe, organisations like COSLA could just stand up, do their job and sort things out themselves. The Edinburgh Labour/Tory Council have also been a disgrace throughout the dispute, bickering from the sidelines and doing nothing constructive to resolve it.

What a formidable FM we have. Like you, her political opponents will give her no credit of course.

Just think what she could achieve in an independent Scotland.

I was being Ironic, not very good at it obviously.
With your sentiments all the way, sorry for the confusion.

[The Harp Awakes]

I was being Ironic, not very good at it obviously.
With your sentiments all the way, sorry for the confusion.

Apologies SH. I'd just heard Tory and Labour politicians making the same remark and took your comment at face value :greengrin

[lucky]

Well done to the unions and their members for standing up to get a decent pay rise. But let’s not kid ourselves on, if the unions hadn’t taken action and threatened more the FM would have never freed up the money to allow COSLA to reach a settlement. Just like on Scotrail, the country suffered for weeks whilst the government stood ideally by.

[Keith_M]

Well done to the unions and their members for standing up to get a decent pay rise. But let’s not kid ourselves on, if the unions hadn’t taken action and threatened more the FM would have never freed up the money to allow COSLA to reach a settlement. Just like on Scotrail, the country suffered for weeks whilst the government stood ideally by.


So you were in favour of them standing by?

[lapsedhibee]

Well done to the unions and their members for standing up to get a decent pay rise. But let’s not kid ourselves on, if the unions hadn’t taken action and threatened more the FM would have never freed up the money to allow COSLA to reach a settlement. Just like on Scotrail, the country suffered for weeks whilst the government stood ideally by.


So you were in favour of them standing by?

Wee nippy, who the ess enn pee supporters on here idolise, stood by, so should it be 'stood idolly by'? :dunno:

[Paulie Walnuts]

So 10% for the poorest paid and between 5-10% for 95% of the rest, below management . That’s quite a result. Well done everyone involved :aok:

With an extra day annual leave and an hour less every week.

Well done to them. Wish it was me.

[marinello59]

Well done to the unions and their members for standing up to get a decent pay rise. But let’s not kid ourselves on, if the unions hadn’t taken action and threatened more the FM would have never freed up the money to allow COSLA to reach a settlement. Just like on Scotrail, the country suffered for weeks whilst the government stood ideally by.

:agree:
A well deserved victory for the unions. Well done to them.

[stoneyburn hibs]

Apologies SH. I'd just heard Tory and Labour politicians making the same remark and took your comment at face value :greengrin

No worries, I should have added a smiley.

[ronaldo7]

Well done to the unions and their members for standing up to get a decent pay rise. But let’s not kid ourselves on, if the unions hadn’t taken action and threatened more the FM would have never freed up the money to allow COSLA to reach a settlement. Just like on Scotrail, the country suffered for weeks whilst the government stood ideally by.

I'm delighted for the workers getting a decent wage rise, but more so the reduction in the working week, and the extra day holiday. Sometimes it takes a while to see where you can take from Peter to pay Paul. I wonder where the money will be drawn back from? I'd also like to see the councils who are hoarding cash reserves to release it now to help pay for services which are needed.

Will they be held to account?

[LeithMike]

What a formidable FM we have. Like you, her political opponents will give her no credit of course.

Would you say the same if this had it been Boris doing this? He'd have been slaughtered for another u-turn and showing no foresight (and rightly so).

The Scottish Government have been forced to cave despite saying this was nothing to do with them. The weeks of failing to deal with the issue have led to Edinburgh being a real health hazard and will have set tourism back for years.

Every government has its failings and we should try and not be blinded to that through the prism of the independence issue. This has been really poorly handled and it points to much deeper problems in the way local government has been funded in Scotland in recent years.

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[Mibbes Aye]

I'm delighted for the workers getting a decent wage rise, but more so the reduction in the working week, and the extra day holiday. Sometimes it takes a while to see where you can take from Peter to pay Paul. I wonder where the money will be drawn back from? I'd also like to see the councils who are hoarding cash reserves to release it now to help pay for services which are needed.

Will they be held to account?

Councils really aren't 'hoarding' reserves, whatever figures you wish to pull out. And it would be entirely wrong for them to use reserves to fund ongoing revenue spend.

And I would say that whether the council is run by the SNP, Labour, Tory or whatever. To say otherwise shows a real lack of understanding of local government finance.

Which surprises me coming from you. I wouldn't have thought you would be breaking ranks with the president of COSLA, SNP councillor Sheena Morrison?

[ronaldo7]

Councils really aren't 'hoarding' reserves, whatever figures you wish to pull out. And it would be entirely wrong for them to use reserves to fund ongoing revenue spend.

And I would say that whether the council is run by the SNP, Labour, Tory or whatever. To say otherwise shows a real lack of understanding of local government finance.

Which surprises me coming from you. I wouldn't have thought you would be breaking ranks with the president of COSLA, SNP councillor Sheena Morrison?

I know who's the current president of cosla, thanks. The question still stands, where is the money coming from to pay Paul?

If councils in Scotland can send funds to councils in croyden, I don't think it's wrong to be asking why we can't spend our money here. Im sure those resident in Midlothian would like to know. £13 million goes a long way.

[He's here!]

Would you say the same if this had it been Boris doing this? He'd have been slaughtered for another u-turn and showing no foresight (and rightly so).

The Scottish Government have been forced to cave despite saying this was nothing to do with them. The weeks of failing to deal with the issue have led to Edinburgh being a real health hazard and will have set tourism back for years.

Every government has its failings and we should try and not be blinded to that through the prism of the independence issue. This has been really poorly handled and it points to much deeper problems in the way local government has been funded in Scotland in recent years.

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Agreed.

[Stairway 2 7]

I know who's the current president of cosla, thanks. The question still stands, where is the money coming from to pay Paul?

If councils in Scotland can send funds to councils in croyden, I don't think it's wrong to be asking why we can't spend our money here. Im sure those resident in Midlothian would like to know. £13 million goes a long way.

The Peter to pay Paul is daily mail patter, usually relating to things that helps those in need like free university, prescriptions, childcare ect. Can be filed with magic money tree.

That's what government have to do , get a set budget and allocate it the way that helps the people most. Workers being paid fairly is near the top of that list. You go to the bottom and redistribute. If you can't do that you shouldn't be in power

[James310]

I know who's the current president of cosla, thanks. The question still stands, where is the money coming from to pay Paul?

If councils in Scotland can send funds to councils in croyden, I don't think it's wrong to be asking why we can't spend our money here. Im sure those resident in Midlothian would like to know. £13 million goes a long way.

What's the Croydon connection?

Edit: Got it from Mibbes Aye post

[Mibbes Aye]

I know who's the current president of cosla, thanks. The question still stands, where is the money coming from to pay Paul?

If councils in Scotland can send funds to councils in croyden, I don't think it's wrong to be asking why we can't spend our money here. Im sure those resident in Midlothian would like to know. £13 million goes a long way.

Feel free to look into the minutes of Midlothian Council meetings and come back and tell us.

But just to correct you - Midlothian didn't send money to Croydon, they lent it to them at a rate higher than the norm, which I guess means more money flowing to Scotland. You'll like that!

And at the risk of repeating the most important but fortunately most basic point - capital monies don't cover revenue budgets.

[James310]

Feel free to look into the minutes of Midlothian Council meetings and come back and tell us.

But just to correct you - Midlothian didn't send money to Croydon, they lent it to them at a rate higher than the norm, which I guess means more money flowing to Scotland. You'll like that!

And at the risk of repeating the most important but fortunately most basic point - capital monies don't cover revenue budgets.

I never knew anything about the Croydon thing, quick Google says a £600K profit for the people of Midlothian. Will fund an additional 10 learning assistants.

https://www.midlothian.gov.uk/news/article/3195/councils_deposit_to_croydon_council_generates_more _than_600000

[ronaldo7]

Feel free to look into the minutes of Midlothian Council meetings and come back and tell us.

But just to correct you - Midlothian didn't send money to Croydon, they lent it to them at a rate higher than the norm, which I guess means more money flowing to Scotland. You'll like that!

And at the risk of repeating the most important but fortunately most basic point - capital monies don't cover revenue budgets.

:greengrin

Got a spare £200 guv?

[Ozyhibby]

Just glad it’s all been sorted and the workers were looked after. [emoji106]

Opposition complaining about it taking so long when they voted to only give a 3.5% rise is laughable.
We’ll done the unions, Cosla and the SG. Job done.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Just glad it’s all been sorted and the workers were looked after. [emoji106]

Opposition complaining about it taking so long when they voted to only give a 3.5% rise is laughable.
We’ll done the unions, Cosla and the SG. Job done.


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The opposition was the unions really, it wasn't about one council as the unions made clear. Took our streets to be swimming in filth during the festival but they eventually backed down. Nhs next, then many more I'd bet