Falkirk v Hibernian

[HH81]

On this display, I think, even as early as this, Lee Johnson is in for a tough time this season. If I were him, I’d be trying to get in as many new faces as possible.

Well Johnson can never play this midfield 3 ever again.

[Hibeesforever]

Melkerson is rubbish, should have scored...poor finishing

[Real Emerald]

Well if the comments about the manager calling it 'pre season' or words to that effect are true, there's his first lesson.

That really annoys me too. This is one of only two trophy’s we can win and his attitude to this stinks. Embarrassing for Hibs.

[cabbageandribs1875]

aw ffs rocky straight out

[Unseen work]

Cadden been poor too.

In fairness so have the majority.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Well Johnson can never play this midfield 3 ever again.

He’s stuck with it all game.

You can only presume he’s not seeing what everybody else is.

[WeeRussell]

You should read that post again! 😀

😁 Genuinely unintended

[Zambernardi1875]

There was an easy fix available for £300k. Dylan Levitt - welsh international and proven at this level. Would easily treble our money on him and he would massively improve our midfield. Not saying we would have got him but we should have been at least making a bid.

if were paying 250-300k for a 16yr old then levitt was easily worth double

[Heisenberg]

LJ said he watched plenty of footage of last season and saw us against Livi and Dundee. How has he gone into it with that team, specifically the midfield, and thought we’d be fine?

[Scorrie]

Well if the comments about the manager calling it 'pre season' or words to that effect are true, there's his first lesson.

Very poor if true. This is a cup tie, a competitive match. Should be treated as such.

[WhileTheChief..]

There's not a single dissenting voice on this thread. Everybody can see it and is saying the same thing.

My hope is that LJ has said to the midfield that they've got this half to show what they can do or they're out. No mucking around, told tomorrow to find new clubs.

LJ then needs to ram it home to the club that we need quality midfielders more than anything else. In fact, forget about absolutely everything else until it's done.

So far, we have learnt nothing from the last few transfers window. It has to change quickly.

[Paulie Walnuts]

if were paying 250-300k for a 16yr old then levitt was easily worth double

Absolutely.

This midfield needs replaced as a priority.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

On this display, I think, even as early as this, Lee Johnson is in for a tough time this season. If I were him, I’d be trying to get in as many new faces as possible.

Any new manager can do without putting themselves under extra pressure early on with abysmal displays like this.

[Hibeesforever]

Johnson has made his first mistake...embarrassing

[HH81]

He’s stuck with it all game.

You can only presume he’s not seeing what everybody else is.

Or he is giving them one final chance to get us out of jail before shipping them out.

[Unseen work]

In fairness to Johnson I think he was always treating this as a friendly in terms of minutes played stand who gets subbed.

[Since452]

Wish we hadn't treated the first half like a friendly

[J-C]

More energy but still no composure, wasted crosses and scrappy play.

[Aldo]

Well Johnson can never play this midfield 3 ever again.

You would think but don’t bank on it!

180 minutes into the season and the traits from last season are still there for all to see. (Barring 45 against a poor Clyde side)

Not sure LJ can see many positives from this evening but hopefully he takes onboard your post HH81


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[Jim44]

I think it’s fair to say, that’s us out of the League Cup after two games. At least Jack Ross would have left us with an interest in the cups.:greengrin :tin hat:

[GreenCastle]

10 players who are currently on the pitch were all here last season struggling.

Absolute shambles of a performance and tactics / subs / team selection.

[h1bs4life]

Disgraceful performance, pathetic decision making by the manager .

[MelbourneHibees]

Dive from Doidge there?

[wallpaperman]

Better second half, but overall very poor.

Euan Henderson has been absolutely dreadful since he came on, almost everything he has done has failed.

[Mon Dieu4]

Not acceptable again, some of these players need cleared right out

[greenlex]

Second half team and performance should have been the first half.
Always chasing it. Should be playing second string players once we are ahead. Not from the start. Even at Bonnyrigg they should be blown away first then give the rest game time. We got what we deserved tonight.

[Unseen work]

Better second half, but overall very poor.

Euan Henderson has been absolutely dreadful since he came on, almost everything he has done has failed.

Better by running about more and Falkirk sitting back.

Zero quality from those on the pitch

[JeMeSouviens]

More energy but still no composure, wasted crosses and scrappy play.

Headless Chicken FC

[Hibs90]

In fairness to Johnson I think he was always treating this as a friendly in terms of minutes played stand who gets subbed.

That doesn't make it acceptable. It's one of two trophies we have a realistic chance of winning.

That and the same ***** players from last season and the same midfield issues have not been addressed again.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Or he is giving them one final chance to get us out of jail before shipping them out.

That shouldn’t be happening at the expense of one of the two competitions we can win.

[Heisenberg]

He simply can’t come out and back the players tonight after this. I want them publicly slated. **** it. Pretty much out of one of the cups already ffs 😂

[Paulie Walnuts]

**** off Doidge

[MelbourneHibees]

Morton and Rose won't be an issue. More players still to come in as well.

[Since452]

How has he missed?

[Sir David Gray]

Utter disgrace.

[Stuart93]

Season ticket money looking safe in my pocket.

Look every bit as poor as we did last season

Not good enough. So many glaring weaknesses in the team still needing addressed.

[J-C]

Very poor if true. This is a cup tie, a competitive match. Should be treated as such.


Heckinbottom did the same when he took over.

[CMac1988]

Normal service has resumed. Ooh to be.

[Stevie Reid]

Really, really disappointing. Could have done without this so early on.

[HH81]

Ffs.

[SHODAN]

Ahahahahahahha

[Stuart93]

Campbell never beats a man with a pass or a cross he’s up there with the worst I’ve seen play for hibs

[NC1875]

Doidge one of the best strikers in the league some on here tell you. Unless the ball bounces off him and into the net it’s not going in.

[Unseen work]

And that right there is why you can’t afford to treat these games as friendlies.

Still more than enough quality to beat Falkirk though.

[cabbageandribs1875]

awk away tae absolute **** Doidge absolutely garbage man

[The Captain....]

This has been a ****ing disgrace tonight.

There are 4 or 5 players who are clearly nowhere good enough to br starting. Newell is at the front of that queue. They proved it time and again last season. The only time we looked like we had a functioning midfield was when Lewis played there

That level of performance has to have consequences, these players cannot keep embarrassing the club week in week out.

Get it ****ing sorted Hibs and stop being so weak.

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[GreenCastle]

Not ideal having a shocking result so early into a new job for LJ.

Feel for the fans who travelled through. Deserve so much better.

[Golden Bear]

No plus marks tonight from that performance, it's difficult to think of a single player who earned his wages.

[Paulie Walnuts]

A considerably worse performance and result than anything our last two managers served up.

That simply had to focus the minds of our club. We’re miles off it and our midfield is an abomination. Let’s stop pretending LJ is going to get them performing. They’re gash. Nobody is doing that.

[GreenGray]

Doidge one of the best strikers in the league some on here tell you. Unless the ball bounces off him and into the net it’s not going in.

Spot on that miss might put us out, although the performance was shocking as a whole.


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[Carheenlea]

If we were to exit the League Cup in this group before the season even starts, then Lee Jonson might find himself out the door quicker than Shaun Maloney.

[NC1875]

I know we can’t sign a whole new team but Newell and Campbell should never play for Hibs again.

[LunasBoots]

We've learnt lessons they say, more PR crap, same crap as last season, what a way to attract fans back

[cabbageandribs1875]

there ya go falkirk


as many club sides in scotland over the years will know full well all you need is a game against hibs to get back on track

[JeMeSouviens]

Not that it excuses an abysmal performance, but they can get that bobbly plastic pitch to **** as well.

[SteveHFC]

Season ticket money looking safe in my pocket.

Look every bit as poor as we did last season

Not good enough. So many glaring weaknesses in the team still needing addressed.

My dad is the same after god knows how many years he's not getting a ST, his attitude now is pay at gate if he can't get a ticket then no big deal

[Jim44]

It’s going to be a long, long season watching that garbage. Lee Johnson’s coat is on the proverbial shoogly peg after two games. Get the cheque book out, Ron. You might buy us out of trouble but you sure won’t play us out of trouble after that major embarrassment.

[Real Emerald]

An absolute disgraceful result and performance and also a hopeless team selection, tactics and attitude by the manager. Really unacceptable. He’s not going to get it easy after this abomination.

[EVENTUALLY]

Doidge one of the best strikers in the league some on here tell you. Unless the ball bounces off him and into the net it’s not going in.Spot on.

[Zambernardi1875]

good wake up game, LJ knows now the players tonight arent good enough and we need a few more in. im not bothered he treated it like a pre season its only his 4/5th game in charge. we still struggle to break teams down properly. ill panic if he persists with half that team. its was falkirks biggest game this season.

[Hibernian Verse]

Any red flags tonight Lee? Like your ****ing first half team selection?

[Steve88]

Really interested to hear LJ post match interview, this'll tell us a lot about him...

[Unseen work]

That performance is nothing to do with management or tactics btw.

The players were absolutely awful, some of them were incapable of controlling the ball or passing it to a team mate. I’m not having the excuse of the pitch as the vast majority will have grown up on them and train on them regularly.

I imagine a couple have sealed their fate with that performance and leave the club.

Johnson will have learnt far more from that than the previous 3 games

[h185forever]

Have to hope we are one of the best 3 runners up ….

[GreenGray]

If we were to exit the League Cup in this group before the season even starts, then Lee Jonson might find himself out the door quicker than Shaun Maloney.

Nonsense, this will be a shock to Johnson and hopefully will make him realise the issues we have.

Will also bring the fans back down to earth. We have some serious issues in the squad.


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[Springbank]

This has been a ****ing disgrace tonight.

There are 4 or 5 players who are clearly nowhere good enough to br starting. Newell is at the front of that queue. They proved it time and again last season. The only time we looked like we had a functioning midfield was when Lewis played there

That level of performance has to have consequences, these players cannot keep embarrassing the club week in week out.

Get it ****ing sorted Hibs and stop being so weak.

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100%

That midfield performance has to carry consequences

[J-C]

Shocking result and performance, that midfield should be moved on now, no composure at all spectacularly shown by Doidge missing the 1on1 at the end.

[Heisenberg]

good wake up game, LJ knows now the players tonight arent good enough and we need a few more in. im not bothered he treated it like a pre season its only his 4/5th game in charge. we still struggle to break teams down properly. ill panic if he persists with half that team. its was falkirks biggest game this season.

He should’ve been well aware already to be fair. Plenty evidence from last season that most of the team he had out tonight are so far from good enough.

[Mrimbetween]

If we were to exit the League Cup in this group before the season even starts, then Lee Jonson might find himself out the door quicker than Shaun Maloney.

Sure

[Joe6-2]

You should read that post again! 😀

😂😂😂😂😂

[EVENTUALLY]

I know we can’t sign a whole new team but Newell and Campbell should never play for Hibs again.

Those 2 and JDH are the root cause of Hibs problems for the last 12 months.

[Swedish hibee]

Bloody Falkirk again..

[Tambo]

We should of really got at least one goal in that second half. Really frustrating result.

Have JDH and Newell ever played well together?

[WhileTheChief..]

Hoping LJ comes out and calls it as it was.

I want to hear some passion and anger, not nicey, nicey excuses.

[H18 SFR]

I just can’t believe we are struggling to get out this group.

[Since452]

Honeymoon period is over. Go and batter Bonnyrigg.

[MWHIBBIES]

First half cost us. Was embarrassing. 2nd we huffed and puffed but nothing went in. Love Lewis but probably the worst I've seen him. Hopeless. Left ourselves a bit to do now.

[GreenGray]

Still not convinced on Doidge. People like Rocky will get pelters tonight but other than his mistake he wasn’t too bad. Newell and JDH should be ashamed with their performances.


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[S4uzee]

Hoping LJ comes out and calls it as it was.

I want to hear some passion and anger, not nicey, nicey excuses.

Why would he? Made his first HUGE mistake and treating this like pre season! Disgraceful from him

[Paulie Walnuts]

That performance is nothing to do with management or tactics btw.

The players were absolutely awful, some of them were incapable of controlling the ball or passing it to a team mate. I’m not having the excuse of the pitch as the vast majority will have grown up on them and train on them regularly.

I imagine a couple have sealed their fate with that performance and leave the club.

Johnson will have learnt far more from that than the previous 3 games

You’ve got to be joking?

Who chose that midfield 3? Who stuck with it for the whole game?

[Since452]

LJ interview bang on. Mediocre first half.

[BegbieHSC]

Newell, Doyle-Hayes and Campbell should never ever line up next to each other. Woeful as a trio.

Johnson massively underestimated Falkirk tonight - that first half line-up was poor. Hopefully he learns from tonight, but I’m sure he knows that result was embarrassing.

[Allant1981]

Glad that only cost 12 quid, utter garbage tonight

[MWHIBBIES]

Hoping LJ comes out and calls it as it was.

I want to hear some passion and anger, not nicey, nicey excuses.

Terrific way to alienate his squad. I personally hope he learns from it and teaches them to do better.

[The Harp Awakes]

Any red flags tonight Lee? Like your ****ing first half team selection?

Starting 3 players in midfield who have proven time after time they have zero creativity, is just criminal. Not to sub any of them in the game is worrying.

Campbell and Newell in particular were absolute dug****.

[Zambernardi1875]

He should’ve been well aware already to be fair. Plenty evidence from last season that most of the team he had out tonight are so far from good enough.

maybe he wanted to see for himself under him, how they were in a competitive game. as i say my worry comes if he plays them again

[Unseen work]

Johnson interview in summary

Poor first half
Second half good and should have scored
Learned alot about some players and thought before the first half team would have been good enough
Can’t accept mediocrity
He will be ruthless and he was bored of the first half performance

[Real Emerald]

This has been a ****ing disgrace tonight.

There are 4 or 5 players who are clearly nowhere good enough to br starting. Newell is at the front of that queue. They proved it time and again last season. The only time we looked like we had a functioning midfield was when Lewis played there

That level of performance has to have consequences, these players cannot keep embarrassing the club week in week out.

Get it ****ing sorted Hibs and stop being so weak.

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They won’t sort it though, we’re constantly messing around signing players who might have potential but keep dodging the glaring lack of quality in midfield, up front and centre back, and some. Window after window nothing happens.

On the upside I liked what LJ said in his interview. 🤞

[BegbieHSC]

Meanwhile, Dan Mackay ran riot against Livi tonight…

[Vault Boy]

Johnson calling us boring in the first half. Thought he was pretty honest.

[Smartie]

Really, really disappointing. Could have done without this so early on.

This was the best possible time for this to happen.

We still have a a chance of going through and our manager will SURELY never make some of the mistakes he made tonight again.

Much work lies ahead.

And some transfer activity.

[Chorley Hibee]

Don't worry, we'll no doubt sign another development player by the end of the week.

That squad needed serious surgery, yet here we are with most of the failures that let us down so spectacularly last season.

Folk getting excited cause we beat Clyde (who were horrendous) and we won a couple of kick around against lower league English guff.

I don't see anything but a repeat of last season, if not worse.

[Heisenberg]

Hoping LJ comes out and calls it as it was.

I want to hear some passion and anger, not nicey, nicey excuses.

I’m all for this. Too many in that changing room been coasting along since last season with no improvement on show. Big changes still required.

[J-C]

LJ says poor 1st half and team should have been good enough but too many not at it, says he's still learning about his players.

[Nicho87]

Some people question getting rid of doidge

He is brutal

Along with Rocky, newell, Campbell, JDH

Spine of the team literally rotten to the core.

Long season ahead with the current crop of players

[Stuart93]

Very good interview from LJ, no mincing his words or pretending it was good enough.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Johnson can't accept mediocracy


yet he kept three mediocre players on for the 2nd 45

[silverhibee]

Manager slavering a load of Tom kite there, he made the wrong changes and thinks this was still a pre season game, get this chancer tf.

[NC1875]

Johnson spot on in his interview.

That team should have enough to beat Falkirk. They’ve shown him they haven’t, if he’s as ruthless as he says we won’t see some of them again.

Hopefully. Absolute imposters

[Unseen work]

Meanwhile, Dan Mackay ran riot against Livi tonight…

Said it at the time I came understand the thought process of Hauge getting pre season opportunities and Mackay not

For me Mackay looks ahead of Hauge by quite some bit, albeit limited viewing of Hauge.

Similar with Tait not getting the chance Delferriere, Tait etc have got.

[Stuarty1875]

The same old deficiencies from last season laid bare again.

Left Easter Road on Saturday thinking we were one or two players short from being a really good team. Now back to thinking we might need another four or five at least to make the top 6.

That midfield three simply doesn’t work and is too easy to play against. They are cowards at times always choosing the easy backwards pass or hiding when the CHs have procession.

Falkirk pressed us in key areas and made us look so uncomfortable at times. We were really lucky not to be more one behind at half time.

We’ll have big problems again this season if we can’t counteract a simple press. Can’t imagine many teams are going to stand off us and allow us to play like Hartlepool, Burton and Clyde.

[Bobo]

3 managers and umpteen transfer windows and we still haven't addressed the glaring weaknesses in both our midfield and defensive thirds!

We need to recruit first 11 starting players who are tried and tested and not hopefuls who might make a name for themselves in the future. Still far too many spineless pussies in the squad that need shown the door starting with tonight's midfield, nowhere near good enough for what we need!

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

😁 Genuinely unintended

Only thing that's even remotely amused me since about 1945 this evening. 😀

[Baader]

Need to move a few on. Had too many chances under too many managers and not going to turn it around.

[Steve88]

I actually got the impression from his post match interview that he sees that midfield trio as key for the season ahead...

[Smartie]

Johnson interview in summary

Poor first half
Second half good and should have scored
Learned alot about some players and thought before the first half team would have been good enough
Can’t accept mediocrity
He will be ruthless and he was bored of the first half performance

This bit worries me.

The 4 he took off - McGeady, Miller, McLelland, Hauge. Were they the problem? Really?

Newell and Campbell lasted the whole game. Hopefully he learned something from the 90 minutes they played.

Doidge was pish too.

Hopefully he has learned the lessons that needed learned from tonight and not something else.

[number9dream]

In fairness to Johnson I think he was always treating this as a friendly in terms of minutes played stand who gets subbed.

Hibs should be beating all of these teams but this was the toughest group game, which makes some of the selections hard to fathom. Surely someone like David Gray could have made that clear - or does he not have much of a voice in the new set up?
Worrying if Tait & Delferriere are deemed not good enough behind that failed midfield trio.

[Stuart93]

Manager slavering a load of Tom kite there, he made the wrong changes and thinks this was still a pre season game, get this chancer tf.

You’re surely having a ****ing laugh after his 2nd competitive game?

Hahaha do one

[Unseen work]

This bit worries me.

The 4 he took off - McGeady, Miller, McLelland, Hauge. Were they the problem? Really?

Newell and Campbell lasted the whole game. Hopefully he learned something from the 90 minutes they played.

Doidge was pish too.

Hopefully he has learned the lessons that needed learned from tonight and not something else.

I think in his defence he’s probably said to the players they’ll all get x amount of game time the first 2 games of the cup and has stuck to his word.

He said after the Clyde game that allowed him to play some other players and give them a chance.

I suspect that’s the last chance some will get.

[flash]

Manager slavering a load of Tom kite there, he made the wrong changes and thinks this was still a pre season game, get this chancer tf.

What you on about? Everything he said was reasonable.

I didn't see a thread full of people saying anything about the changes before the game started.

[Unseen work]

I also think tonight is why some were annoyed at the players second half on Saturday.

It was like the second half the thought they were a team of ballers and started trying ridiculous passes etc which never came off.

Tonight when a team applies a bit of pressure they crumble.

Put together a decent run of consistent good results against half decent teams before thinking they’re the ticket.

[S4uzee]

What you on about? Everything he said was reasonable.

I didn't see a thread full of people saying anything about the changes before the game started.

I agree with him

[Real Emerald]

Johnson spot on in his interview.

That team should have enough to beat Falkirk. They’ve shown him they haven’t, if he’s as ruthless as he says we won’t see some of them again.

Hopefully. Absolute imposters

He’s right but if he puts the players out with an attitude that it’s a pre season friendly then what else can he expect against a Falkirk side desperate to beat us. Amateur and unprofessional.

[mcohibs]

Manager slavering a load of Tom kite there, he made the wrong changes and thinks this was still a pre season game, get this chancer tf.

😂😂😂

[Alfred E Newman]

Losing against a league 1 side managed by John McGlynn is worrying to say the least.

[Baader]

I actually got the impression from his post match interview that he sees that midfield trio as key for the season ahead...

Persisting with that trio will see any manager out of a job

[GreenGray]

Manager slavering a load of Tom kite there, he made the wrong changes and thinks this was still a pre season game, get this chancer tf.

Wow, that’s the worst post so far. He called the performance for what it was you clown


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[The Baldmans Comb]

English arrogance at its finest in exactly the same way Heckingnothing used to look down on Scottish football.

Falkirk away is the hardest game and always has been for Hibs no matter the competition and especially since Falkirk now have one of the best lower league managers around with a brand new team with everything to prove.

Johnson would have a told all this before by SDG but would have just disrespected and disregard this cos he knows better.

You have to qualify before you start experimenting as this is realistically the cup Hibs have the best chance of winning or at least going far.

Again Johnson would have been told all this but he chose to weaken the team in key positions as he still thinks this is preseason as in England the league cup is a joke competition.

Up here it isn't you arrogant fool.

What a wake up call to get knocked out (cos we will) of the league cup in a group of Clyde, BonnyRigg and Falkirk.

[Iain G]

I missed the game, so are we **** again or just a bad day at the office in what is effectively out pre-season?

[Iain G]

English arrogance at its finest in exactly the same way Heckingnothing used to look down on Scottish football.

Falkirk away is the hardest game and always has been for Hibs no matter the competition and especially since Falkirk now have one of the best lower league managers around with a brand new team with everything to prove.

Johnson would have a told all this before by SDG but would have just disrespected and disregard this cos he knows better.

You have to qualify before you start experimenting as this is realistically the cup Hibs have the best chance of winning or at least going far.

Again Johnson would have been told all this but he chose to weaken the team in key positions.

What a wake up call to get knocked out (Cos we will) of the league cup in a group of Clyde, BonnyRigg and Falkirk.

What a pile of bull**** of a post! Where did you pull that fantasy from?

[S4uzee]

What a pile of bull**** of a post! Where did you pull that fantasy from?

It is English arrogance

[Callum_62]

English arrogance at its finest in exactly the same way Heckingnothing used to look down on Scottish football.

Falkirk away is the hardest game and always has been for Hibs no matter the competition and especially since Falkirk now have one of the best lower league managers around with a brand new team with everything to prove.

Johnson would have a told all this before by SDG but would have just disrespected and disregard this cos he knows better.

You have to qualify before you start experimenting as this is realistically the cup Hibs have the best chance of winning or at least going far.

Again Johnson would have been told all this but he chose to weaken the team in key positions.

What a wake up call to get knocked out (cos we will) of the league cup in a group of Clyde, BonnyRigg and Falkirk.You OK?

[emoji23]

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[NC1875]

He’s right but if he puts the players out with an attitude that it’s a pre season friendly then what else can he expect against a Falkirk side desperate to beat us. Amateur and unprofessional.

Let’s not kid on. It should be a pre season walk in the park for us. He’ll hopefully now realise half of that team are not good enough to beat Falkirk, never mind premiership teams

[Real Emerald]

I missed the game, so are we **** again or just a bad day at the office in what is effectively out pre-season?

We were every bit if not worse than last season with most of last seasons failures failing again. Very depressing.

[Unseen work]

He’s right but if he puts the players out with an attitude that it’s a pre season friendly then what else can he expect against a Falkirk side desperate to beat us. Amateur and unprofessional.

I think there’s a difference in having confidence in all your players and giving them them minutes to prove themselves to being unprofessional.

He’ll have learned tonight some aren’t as good as he first thought.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Persisting with that trio will see any manager out of a job

I wish I could present Newell, JDH and Campbell infront of my boss as it’s a guaranteed way to get paid off.

[Scotty Leither]

3 managers and umpteen transfer windows and we still haven't addressed the glaring weaknesses in both our midfield and defensive thirds!

We need to recruit first 11 starting players who are tried and tested and not hopefuls who might make a name for themselves in the future. Still far too many spineless pussies in the squad that need shown the door starting with tonight's midfield, nowhere near good enough for what we need!

That’s the incoming transfer model though, no matter how many glib platitudes are trotted out how Ian Gordon is really brilliant at sourcing players and he’s misunderstood and gets a hard time because he’s the owner’s son.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Nonsense, this will be a shock to Johnson and hopefully will make him realise the issues we have.Will also bring the fans back down to earth. We have some serious issues in the squad.Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIf its a shock to him its even more concerning!Anyone shocked that the same players who were dire last season, have started this season badly can't have been paying much attention, another change of manager won't suddenly make this dross become decent footballers.

[one day maybe...]

Learn quick, learn fast or you'll not be around long Mr Johnson...

This was not a friendly it was one of the only genuine opportunities we have of winning silver ware, not impressed and i hope neither were you despite your post match comments.

#GGTTH

[Iain G]

It is English arrogance

He is half Scottish! So only half arrogance?

[Real Emerald]

Let’s not kid on. It should be a pre season walk in the park for us. He’ll hopefully now realise half of that team are not good enough to beat Falkirk, never mind premiership teams

He left the useless midfield trio on so in isn’t really encouraging.

[Fratelli]

Hibs should be beating all of these teams but this was the toughest group game, which makes some of the selections hard to fathom. Surely someone like David Gray could have made that clear - or does he not have much of a voice in the new set up?
Worrying if Tait & Delferriere are deemed not good enough behind that failed midfield trio.

My thoughts exactly, surely DG could have warned him that his starting midfield 3 failed miserably last season! That still doesn’t absolve LJ from his negligence in not addressing it during the game.

[JimBHibees]

Get Joe Newell out this club, he takes pish to a new level.

Can't disagree absolute imposter and has been for ages yet still one of our best players according to many

[OldEast]

English arrogance at its finest in exactly the same way Heckingnothing used to look down on Scottish football.

Falkirk away is the hardest game and always has been for Hibs no matter the competition and especially since Falkirk now have one of the best lower league managers around with a brand new team with everything to prove.

Johnson would have a told all this before by SDG but would have just disrespected and disregard this cos he knows better.

You have to qualify before you start experimenting as this is realistically the cup Hibs have the best chance of winning or at least going far.

Again Johnson would have been told all this but he chose to weaken the team in key positions as he still thinks this is preseason as in England the league cup is a joke competition.

Up here it isn't you arrogant fool.

What a wake up call to get knocked out (cos we will) of the league cup in a group of Clyde, BonnyRigg and Falkirk.

Awful post. Just nonsense.

[coldingham hibs]

English arrogance at its finest in exactly the same way Heckingnothing used to look down on Scottish football.

Falkirk away is the hardest game and always has been for Hibs no matter the competition and especially since Falkirk now have one of the best lower league managers around with a brand new team with everything to prove.

Johnson would have a told all this before by SDG but would have just disrespected and disregard this cos he knows better.

You have to qualify before you start experimenting as this is realistically the cup Hibs have the best chance of winning or at least going far.

Again Johnson would have been told all this but he chose to weaken the team in key positions as he still thinks this is preseason as in England the league cup is a joke competition.

Up here isn't you arrogant fool.

What a wake up call to get knocked out (cos we will) of the league cup in a group of Clyde, BonnyRigg and Falkirk.


A lot of speculation, I’m not sure it was a weaker team, we are just brutally bad and haven’t made any signings of note that are likely to improve on last season. This result was predictable. Does anyone really believe any of our signings will be a success, I don’t as they are all bargain basement.

[WhileTheChief..]

Can't disagree absolute imposter and has been for ages yet still one of our best players according to many

They're just wrong, and have been consistently so for a couple of years!

[cameronw-hfc]

Better second half, but overall very poor.

Euan Henderson has been absolutely dreadful since he came on, almost everything he has done has failed.

Weird, I thought he was the best of a bad bunch second half. Looked to create and try something at least and nearly scored a lovely goal if it wasn't cleared off the line.

Only the 4th game of the season, 2nd competitive and was a much changed team. I'm not too worried, get the new guys in and it will look different

[Bobby's Cinema]

Lol. After missing the game tonight and avoiding score updates I expected to check the result and come on here after a routine win with the positivity rolling on. Should have known better.

[Smartie]

I missed the game, so are we **** again or just a bad day at the office in what is effectively out pre-season?

Lots of squad rotation.

Our first XI is probably quite good and I expect Johnson is getting closer to knowing what it is.

Scratch the surface and old problems still remain.

There’s time yet to fix them, although if Porto leaves then we might be in deep trouble.

We’re still needing players in. First picks. But we’re not a million miles away imo.

[Smartie]

Weird, I thought he was the best of a bad bunch second half. Looked to create and try something at least and nearly scored a lovely goal if it wasn't cleared off the line.

Only the 4th game of the season, 2nd competitive and was a much changed team. I'm not too worried, get the new guys in and it will look different

I thought he was very lively as well.

He’s a first pick for me, although I’m not sure where.

Henderson was possibly what we lacked most 1st half. No, probably Porteous - that defence was all at sea.

[GreenCastle]

I missed the game, so are we **** again or just a bad day at the office in what is effectively out pre-season?

It’s not pre-season.

It’s one of the 2 cups we can win.

A cup we got to the final last season.

If fans or manager / players treat it as pre-season we deserve to get knocked out.

Arrogance and karma.

[cameronw-hfc]

Hibs.net 2 weeks ago after Rocky saying fans hate him- Shocking, abuse of players isn't good enough etc..

Hibs.net today after a loss- bunch of imposters, drive them back down south myself..



Not surprising to see this place crumble at the first sign of struggle

[Pytheas]

Manager slavering a load of Tom kite there, he made the wrong changes and thinks this was still a pre season game, get this chancer tf.

You think Hibs should sack LJ?
Genuinely?

[Iain G]

It’s not pre-season.

It’s one of the 2 cups we can win.

A cup we got to the final last season.

If fans or manager / players treat it as pre-season we deserve to get knocked out.

Arrogance and karma.

It's our 4th game, it is clearly part of preseason regardless of whether it's a competitive advantage game or not, the team put out should have been able to beat Falkirk, nothing to do with "English Arrogance" or the likes

[Real Emerald]

The defence was way worse than last season, the midfield is exactly the same that failed and the forwards were utterly hopeless. Where is the signings we need as I have no faith in any of these players nobody really knows about doing anything in the Premier league. We’ve seen it and heard it all before, huge expectations from inexperienced cheap options that can’t cut it against committed professionals who know how to play in these leagues.

[cameronw-hfc]

It’s not pre-season.

It’s one of the 2 cups we can win.

A cup we got to the final last season.

If fans or manager / players treat it as pre-season we deserve to get knocked out.

Arrogance and karma.


Not really, it is pre-season, so whilst this is a competitive game, calling it pre-season isn't arrogance. It's telling the truth. The players won't be 100%, we've got a lot of new faces to join the group and some have left.
Some coming back from injury and some not long back and catching up, it's not arrogance, it's just the truth.

If we had played 4/5 games before now and this was happening fair enough, but we got 2 pre-season friendlies and a game vs a poor Clyde, so I'll leave judgment until we're fully fit and raring to go, not during pre-season.

[CL0762]

Porteous needs to get his head out of his arse and stop believing everything his pals/agent tell him.

That period when he broke down the right, had acres of space in front of him and decided to hit a ***** pass to Melkerson then scream at him like Elias done something wrong sums him up.

[Real Emerald]

It’s not pre-season.

It’s one of the 2 cups we can win.

A cup we got to the final last season.

If fans or manager / players treat it as pre-season we deserve to get knocked out.

Arrogance and karma.

100% agree, it’s unforgivable to treat this as a pre season warm up. Warm up for what, one more winnable cup and a place in a European competition we also treat as pre season warm ups? It’s a stinking attitude from the club.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Porteous needs to get his head out of his arse and stop believing everything his pals/agent tell him.

That period when he broke down the right, had acres of space in front of him and decided to hit a ***** pass to Melkerson then scream at him like Elias done something wrong sums him up.

Yup.

Porteous will be going nowhere this summer because he’s nowhere near good enough for anyone to bother with him and all the pish that goes along with him.

He’s a slightly above average centre half and he’d be horribly exposed down south in the Championship.

[GreenCastle]

It's our 4th game, it is clearly part of preseason regardless of whether it's a competitive advantage game or not, the team put out should have been able to beat Falkirk, nothing to do with "English Arrogance" or the likes

So Falkirk are ahead of us in pre-season or ?

They actually looked sharper than us at times and more hungry.

4th game or not - game 3 against Clyde and all the post match hype was for the history books along with tonight.

Maybe in future Hibs will start back earlier and be ready to go for this proper season. Fans paid good money to travel and watch that - it simply wasn’t good enough and he’s put himself under needless pressure already just when some positive momentum was growing.

[Scotty Leither]

The defence was way worse than last season, the midfield is exactly the same that failed and the forwards were utterly hopeless. Where is the signings we need as I have no faith in any of these players nobody really knows about doing anything in the Premier league. We’ve seen it and heard it all before, huge expectations from inexperienced cheap options that can’t cut it against committed professionals who know how to play in these leagues.

This post should be sent to Kensell and Ian Gordon. Doubt it hits the “metrics” they judge incoming transfers by, though.

[BegbieHSC]

It’s absolutely not preseason.

Falkirk have Clyde and Bonnyrigg to play. Winning tonight makes them favourites for top spot, meaning they’ll be seeded, and we won’t be, resulting in us playing one of the better teams currently playing in Europe early. As a team currently in the midst of a rebuild, that is not good. One of our two possibilities at silverware, and we could end up playing the Old Firm in August. That is presuming we finish second. We’ve still got Morton and Bonnyrigg to play - neither of whom are mugs.

Not to be a downer, but tonight’s result could be significant.

[Stuarty1875]

Another cross from the right again tonight :grr:

[Callum_62]

Porteous needs to get his head out of his arse and stop believing everything his pals/agent tell him.

That period when he broke down the right, had acres of space in front of him and decided to hit a ***** pass to Melkerson then scream at him like Elias done something wrong sums him up.The pass that reached Melkerson who took a bad touch?

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[Mcbizz1998]

The pass that reached Melkerson who took a bad touch?

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It was an awful pass.

[Callum_62]

It was an awful pass.So awful it reached its target?

I was watching on a terrible buggy stream to be fair but I thought Elias should have done better there

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[Mcbizz1998]

That was absolutely pathetic. We looked like we weren’t fit enough, we didn’t care, we had no idea how we wanted to play.

Bushiri - awful.
Porto - well off it tonight
Campbell - I never want to see that guy again

The selection was wrong. The whole thing was just so bad and pretty worrying.

[cabbageandribs1875]

The pass that reached Melkerson who took a bad touch?

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no the one where porteous had acres of space as said and instead tried a pass underweight and melkerson had to come running back to try salvage and did well just to get a touch to it

[Sir David Gray]

It’s absolutely not preseason.

Falkirk have Clyde and Bonnyrigg to play. Winning tonight makes them favourites for top spot, meaning they’ll be seeded, and we won’t be, resulting in us playing one of the better teams currently playing in Europe early. As a team currently in the midst of a rebuild, that is not good. One of our two possibilities at silverware, and we could end up playing the Old Firm in August. That is presuming we finish second. We’ve still got Morton and Bonnyrigg to play - neither of whom are mugs.

Not to be a downer, but tonight’s result could be significant.

They probably won't be seeded as they'll only have 11 points if they beat Clyde and Bonnyrigg which I don't think will be enough.

We definitely won't be seeded after tonight either though.

[Stuart93]

I see a lot of people having a go at Rocky, I actually thought out with his mistake in the first half he done pretty decent. Done a better job than Porteous in the 2nd half

[bigwheel]

I see a lot of people having a go at Rocky, I actually thought out with his mistake in the first half he done pretty decent. Done a better job than Porteous in the 2nd half

I’d agree. Tried to affect the game - probably the only pass mark

[Smartie]

I see a lot of people having a go at Rocky, I actually thought out with his mistake in the first half he done pretty decent. Done a better job than Porteous in the 2nd half

He was all over the shop 1st half.

I thought he played very well 2nd half, although he did make a notable gaffe that might have proven costly.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Not going to comment on how we played in a game I haven't seen. Not going to comment on individual players in a game I haven't seen.

All I can comment on is the result ............... absolutely ****ing unacceptable ... no excuses, no reasons for it .... simply unacceptable.

Get it sorted !!!

[jacomo]

100% agree, it’s unforgivable to treat this as a pre season warm up. Warm up for what, one more winnable cup and a place in a European competition we also treat as pre season warm ups? It’s a stinking attitude from the club.


But you can’t just magic time out of the air. We still need to get our squad match fit and integrate new signings into the team, as well as give the new manager to see how players perform in a match setting.

[madhatter]

I see a lot of people having a go at Rocky, I actually thought out with his mistake in the first half he done pretty decent. Done a better job than Porteous in the 2nd half

He's becoming the new fall guy sadly. He was equally as good/bad as McLelland. Porteous came on and did the same stupid nonsense he normally does - dummies to try to throw off his marker even though he has a simple pass open to him, blind headers back into dangerous areas, thinking he's the best thing since sliced bread and playing like he's showboating.

Rocky was one of the better ones out of a very bad bunch today.

[Mcbizz1998]

I’d agree. Tried to affect the game - probably the only pass mark

Mclelland was the only pass mark for me and he got hooked at half time for some reason.

[CL0762]

The pass that reached Melkerson who took a bad touch?

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Just because the pass made it to Melkerson doesn’t mean it was a good pass.

He had miles of space in front of him and made the wrong pass, he should’ve kept driving into the space he had.

[GreenCastle]

But you can’t just magic time out of the air. We still need to get our squad match fit and integrate new signings into the team, as well as give the new manager to see how players perform in a match setting.

We could start pre-season earlier ?

When does the season actually start then for some?

St J away ?

We may as well chuck these league cup games and rotate everyone if we are saying it’s pre-season.

The season has started - we have have signed 3/4 players who don’t have work permits. We haven’t improved central midfield. We have a weaker back 4 starting tonight and still have injuries to 4 players. (Hanlon, Mitchell, Nisbet KM).

[Real Emerald]

But you can’t just magic time out of the air. We still need to get our squad match fit and integrate new signings into the team, as well as give the new manager to see how players perform in a match setting.

Falkirk managed it though and we could be emptied from one of the only 2 trophies we can win before ‘pre season’ ends. Surely Hibs and our new manager, team selection and attitude to this game should be better.

[xqnq1875]

Doidge was a ****ing embarrassment as well tonight he wasn’t the only player but that miss right at the end was terrible


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[Zambernardi1875]

scott allan woulda been good tonight

[Libby Hibby]

English arrogance at its finest in exactly the same way Heckingnothing used to look down on Scottish football.

Falkirk away is the hardest game and always has been for Hibs no matter the competition and especially since Falkirk now have one of the best lower league managers around with a brand new team with everything to prove.

Johnson would have a told all this before by SDG but would have just disrespected and disregard this cos he knows better.

You have to qualify before you start experimenting as this is realistically the cup Hibs have the best chance of winning or at least going far.

Again Johnson would have been told all this but he chose to weaken the team in key positions as he still thinks this is preseason as in England the league cup is a joke competition.

Up here it isn't you arrogant fool.

What a wake up call to get knocked out (cos we will) of the league cup in a group of Clyde, BonnyRigg and Falkirk.

Can someone give this baldy guy a cuddle?

[LewysGot2]

English arrogance at its finest in exactly the same way Heckingnothing used to look down on Scottish football.

Falkirk away is the hardest game and always has been for Hibs no matter the competition and especially since Falkirk now have one of the best lower league managers around with a brand new team with everything to prove.

Johnson would have a told all this before by SDG but would have just disrespected and disregard this cos he knows better.

You have to qualify before you start experimenting as this is realistically the cup Hibs have the best chance of winning or at least going far.

Again Johnson would have been told all this but he chose to weaken the team in key positions as he still thinks this is preseason as in England the league cup is a joke competition.

Up here it isn't you arrogant fool.

What a wake up call to get knocked out (cos we will) of the league cup in a group of Clyde, BonnyRigg and Falkirk.


What new bizarre hell is this?

I was there. It was obvious that crap pitch had not been watered at all. The oldest scam in the book - dry artificial pitches. Used by Kilmarnock, Livingston and other cowboys over the years.

In his post match interview he seemed genuinely surprised by the impact of the pitch. If nobody has told him or his team ahead of tonight then that’s on them - Paul, Lewis and Gray all knew. Why you’ve decided he’s ignored them well I’ve no idea. Utterly bizarre…

Its still not a reason for us losing but it’s sadly predictable and an indictment of our game as a product


In other news, the pies were great. And cheap. Less than a fiver for a pie, coffee and a Twix :wink:

[snedzuk]

Johnson interview in summary

Poor first half
Second half good and should have scored
Learned alot about some players and thought before the first half team would have been good enough
Can’t accept mediocrity
He will be ruthless and he was bored of the first half performance

Plus refused to accept the result was damaging on the basis were still in the cup - which made me wonder if he knows how this competition works.

[B.H.F.C]

I see a lot of people having a go at Rocky, I actually thought out with his mistake in the first half he done pretty decent. Done a better job than Porteous in the 2nd half

In terms of effort and commitment and will to win he was head and shoulders above he rest of them tonight. But, first half, I thought he was getting pulled all over the place.

Still, feel sorry for our defence with the three playing in front of him.

[HFC93]

Plus refused to accept the result was damaging on the basis were still in the cup - which made me wonder if he knows how this competition works.

Based on previous years 9 points will be enough for us to qualify so he is right.

[LewysGot2]

In terms of effort and commitment and will to win he was head and shoulders above he rest of them tonight. But, first half, I thought he was getting pulled all over the place.

Still, feel sorry for our defence with the three playing in front of him.

Falkirk targeted pulling him and McClelland out of position. :agree:

[H18 SFR]

Plus refused to accept the result was damaging on the basis were still in the cup - which made me wonder if he knows how this competition works.

He also said it’s 3 and a half weeks into our pre season.

Beginning to think getting them fit over winning a cup is the priority.

[snedzuk]

Based on previous years 9 points will be enough for us to qualify so he is right.

Except we won't be seeded at that.

[Stuart93]

Also didn’t realise how bad Doidge’s miss at the end was

He’s hit it right at the goalie ffs

[Iain G]

Plus refused to accept the result was damaging on the basis were still in the cup - which made me wonder if he knows how this competition works.

Did it really make you wonder that?! And we are still in the competition, aren't we?

[Turkish Green]

Based on previous years 9 points will be enough for us to qualify so he is right.

Presuming 3pts against Bonnyrigg.

[Allant1981]

Just because the pass made it to Melkerson doesn’t mean it was a good pass.

He had miles of space in front of him and made the wrong pass, he should’ve kept driving into the space he had.

Exactly, the pass was crap, and as usual porteous was moaning at another player, his passing was pretty poor when he came on last night

[bigwheel]

Exactly, the pass was crap, and as usual porteous was moaning at another player, his passing was pretty poor when he came on last night

Both players didn’t execute that move well..Porteous pass was poor, but Melkersons touch was very poor…that’s we’re the move broke down.


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[HIBEETILLIDIE]

But you can’t just magic time out of the air. We still need to get our squad match fit and integrate new signings into the team, as well as give the new manager to see how players perform in a match setting.

But why play a midfield from start to finish that were shocking last year, surely he looked at performances last year on video!
Massive gaff from the manager and typical Hibs, out fought all over the pitch!

[Jones28]

Ahhh, post-defeat Hibs.net, you cannae beat it.

I've only seen one Johnson GTF comment so far which is surprising.

[#2 Double Tap]

Ahhh, post-defeat Hibs.net, you cannae beat it.

I've only seen one Johnson GTF comment so far which is surprising.

almost as predictable as the happy clappers, its only preseason, 2nd game ffs, work permits, rotation, nothing to see here typa comments.

we should never be losing games to teams below the championship, our under 21s should be rolling that lot over.

ps. apologies for sounding like a knob.

[Smartie]

almost as predictable as the happy clappers, its only preseason, 2nd game ffs, work permits, rotation, nothing to see here typa comments.

we should never be losing games to teams below the championship, our under 21s should be rolling that lot over.

ps. apologies for sounding like a knob.

I was surprised how many people were quick to get on posters' backs for their negativity during the first half last night.

We were absolutely pish. I have no problem with people being critical when we're as poor as that, just as I have no problem with people getting a bit carried away when we're playing very well.

A message board is all about sharing opinions and we all know that there are people who are excessively positive or negative at different points.

I just don't know why we should need to hide from anything, temper anything and not just call it as we see it?

If we're poor (and being lucky not to be 3 or 4 down to a league 1 side has to be poor in the eyes of anyone, surely) then it should be called as such.

We were miles better second half, still managed to almost lose an atrocious goal and not have enough in the final third to get the goal(s) that would have got us out of jail and put the minging first half firmly behind us.

FWIW I'd be very surprised if we're as poor as we were during that 45 minutes again this season.

[McGruber]

Mclelland was the only pass mark for me and he got hooked at half time for some reason.

There was the fact he was at fault for the goal. His man, only man in the middle, lost him ball watching.

Not going to crucify him, young inexperienced guy signed to development team and in 1st team before he is ready. Has shown good potential pre season and v Clyde, those being far easier games though

[Smartie]

McLelland started badly but improved and was actually doing fine by the time we lost the goal - where I think he needed to be closer to the scorer.

[Gus]

It might have been mentioned already but I have only skimmed the comments.

Was it a poor performance yes but I am not going to read too much into the game that was played on a sh**e astro

Hibs fans sway from one game to another, team are brilliant to lets punt the lot.

New manager in the door. Lets see what's happening come end of september

(Top of the league & Joe Newell is being offered freedom of the city)

[JimBHibees]

McLelland started badly but improved and was actually doing fine by the time we lost the goal - where I think he needed to be closer to the scorer.

Would have kept him on with Porto second half thought he was ok