Mueller

[Wheat Hound]

Says a lot when we can't buy a goal and SDG doesn't give him a minute on the pitch. Would appear he is not rated very highly.

[Chorley Hibee]

Says a lot when we can't buy a goal and SDG doesn't give him a minute on the pitch. Would appear he is not rated very highly.

Another success for the recruitment team.

[JamesHFC]

Extremely disappointed with that signing so far tbh. Not sure why we are playing Scott ahead of him who’s leaving next month though. Give the boy minutes.

[SlickShoes]

He could still come good, its difficult moving halfway across the world and landing in a squad in crisis, you now have to perform instantly or everyone is on your back.

[Callum_62]

Extremely disappointed with that signings so far tbh. Not sure why we are playing Scott ahead of him who’s leaving next month though. Give the boy minutes.Maybe he's not leaving

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[Scotty Leither]

Ian Gordon rates him though.

[JamesHFC]

Maybe he's not leaving

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That would put bums on seats next season 😂

[Northernhibee]

He could still come good, its difficult moving halfway across the world and landing in a squad in crisis, you now have to perform instantly or everyone is on your back.

Perhaps. I hope so.

[matty_f]

Mueller was one we discussed at length on Longbagers, the best we can say about him just now is that there *might* at a push be a case to be made that he’ll need some time to settle of the back of his drain in the MLS and get used to Scottish football.

It’s very concerning that our marquee signing hasn’t been trusted in our biggest games this season.

[JohnM1875]

Thought he looked brilliant against Cove, but no disrespect, it's Cove.

Other than that I have no idea where the guy plays?

The fact we don't seem to be trusting him to start is a worry. Same goes for Jasper and Rocky, surely there's no chance we're taking up the option to buy on either.

[HH81]

There was lots of talk when he signed that he was way off the pace and that has proved to be the case a lot of the time.

Hopefully just needs a pre-season behind him.

[Hibiza]

Extremely disappointed with that signing so far tbh. Not sure why we are playing Scott ahead of him who’s leaving next month though. Give the boy minutes.
James Scott : had there ever been such a disaster of a loan signing.

[The Modfather]

Cut our losses if possible. We have too many players in the “there’s a player in there” or “on his day” categories.

[Scotty Leither]

We were told when he signed that a player like him would normally be on the Old Firm's radar.

He seems to be a vanity project, signed solely by the owner's son. He has scored against Arbroath and did precisely nothing in between.

We don't need "projects" at Easter Road, we need a minimum of half a dozen fit, first-pick players in the summer.

If our Head of Recruitment and his team of analysts don't get that, maybe he and they should be stood down as quietly as he appeared to be appointed to the role?

[Chorley Hibee]

Cut our losses if possible. We have too many players in the “there’s a player in there” or “on his day” categories.

Yep, but their day never seems to coincide with the bloody day that they're playing for Hibs!

[cabbageandribs1875]

We were told when he signed that he would normally be on the Old Firm's radar.

He seems to be a vanity project, signed solely by the owner's son. He has scored against Arbroath and did precisely nothing in between.

We don't need "projects" at Easter Road, we need a minimum of half a dozen fit, first-pick players in the summer.

If our Head of Recruitment and his team of analysts don't get that, maybe he and they should be stood down as quietly as he appeared to be appointed to the role?



i didn't read anything like that on here but if someone did they obviously didn't watch Orlando city games




maybe still time to work out at us but he will not be going to either old firm club

[Jones28]

Im cautiously optimistic he will look a lot better after a rest and a good pre season. It isn’t easy moving half way round the world especially from the states to Scotland.

[SlickShoes]

We were told when he signed that a player like him would normally be on the Old Firm's radar.

He seems to be a vanity project, signed solely by the owner's son. He has scored against Arbroath and did precisely nothing in between.

We don't need "projects" at Easter Road, we need a minimum of half a dozen fit, first-pick players in the summer.

If our Head of Recruitment and his team of analysts don't get that, maybe he and they should be stood down as quietly as he appeared to be appointed to the role?

Just make stuff up and post it as facts

[Is It On....]

We were told when he signed that a player like him would normally be on the Old Firm's radar.

He seems to be a vanity project, signed solely by the owner's son. He has scored against Arbroath and did precisely nothing in between.

We don't need "projects" at Easter Road, we need a minimum of half a dozen fit, first-pick players in the summer.

If our Head of Recruitment and his team of analysts don't get that, maybe he and they should be stood down as quietly as he appeared to be appointed to the role?

You need a tin hat at the ready if you mention anything about our Head of Recruitment

[Chorley Hibee]

i didn't read anything like that on here but if someone did they obviously didn't watch Orlando city games




maybe still time to work out at us but he will not be going to either old firm club

I've seldom seen a player of late arrive with such a fanfare.

He's certainly not living up to it.

[JohnM1875]

Im cautiously optimistic he will look a lot better after a rest and a good pre season. It isn’t easy moving half way round the world especially from the states to Scotland.

Don't think anyone is suggesting it is. But if he isn't starting these bottom six games, when realistically there's **** all to play for, then you have to worry for him.

[Jim44]

There was lots of talk when he signed that he was way off the pace and that has proved to be the case a lot of the time.

Hopefully just needs a pre-season behind him.

C’mon, he’s been at ER for 4 months. Fair enough, he hasn’t had too much game time but he’s been here long enough to make his mark and get up to speed, but clearly he hasn’t. Flattered to deceive maybe. Pity, as I liked the look of him when he was playing in Florida.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

He's comes across well on Twitter and likes owls. Not sure about his footballing attributes right enough.

[JamesHFC]

James Scott : had there ever been such a disaster of a loan signing.

Nathan Wood? 🤣🤣

[Scotty Leither]

Just make stuff up and post it as facts

Apologies for the link, but emm, back to you.

Chris Mueller transfer reveal puts Celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen and Hibs fans on red alert - Daily Record (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/chris-mueller-transfer-reveal-puts-24591374)

[Bridge hibs]

i didn't read anything like that on here but if someone did they obviously didn't watch Orlando city games




maybe still time to work out at us but he will not be going to either old firm clubCommentators during the first half of an Orlando game said he was leaving to go to europe, they then thought maybe Scotland to celtc or the rangers, second half they said he was joining hibs

[LongJohnBanger]

mueller was one we discussed at length on longbagers, the best we can say about him just now is that there *might* at a push be a case to be made that he’ll need some time to settle of the back of his drain in the mls and get used to scottish football.

It’s very concerning that our marquee signing hasn’t been trusted in our biggest games this season.

evocative!

[Mikey_1875]

Was it ever confirmed how long his contract is?

Happy to give him a pre-season but he doesn’t look good enough based on the what we have seen so far. I was hoping he would have a lot more pace and athleticism.

[JohnM1875]

Who cares where the chat was placing him? Hibs, Celtic, Rangers, Barca, Liverpool etc. He's ended up here and been a disappointment so far. Is that down to game time? Maybe, but if the past few managers haven't started him you do start to worry.

[CL0762]

We were told when he signed that a player like him would normally be on the Old Firm's radar.

He seems to be a vanity project, signed solely by the owner's son. He has scored against Arbroath and did precisely nothing in between.

We don't need "projects" at Easter Road, we need a minimum of half a dozen fit, first-pick players in the summer.

If our Head of Recruitment and his team of analysts don't get that, maybe he and they should be stood down as quietly as he appeared to be appointed to the role?

Yup.

This whole ‘Ian is part of a committee’ is a lot of *****.

He’s the effective director of football playing real life football manager and until that changes, it doesn’t matter who’s sitting in the dugout.

[The Sundance Kid]

Was it ever confirmed how long his contract is?

Happy to give him a pre-season but he doesn’t look good enough based on the what we have seen so far. I was hoping he would have a lot more pace and athleticism.

Contract runs to 2025

[Carheenlea]

Over hyped and over rated.

Yet to see anything that suggests otherwise.

[J-C]

I do wonder if the MLS is a lot lower standard than over here and the games are also played at a lesser pace and aggression. It seems to be a mixture of some college boys and a few pros on the downward slopes of their careers (a wee last few years pay day), add in the change of country and culture, maybe he's struggled to just settle as a few have said.

[Scotty Leither]

If the club can overblow his reputation in the manner they did when they signed him, then it shouldn't be a problem selling him.

If nowt else it would get his reported inflated wage off the books as well.

Unless the new manager(s) they have in mind are at clubs that are still involved in promotion/relegation battles, then he should be in the door as soon as possible and working on transfers in and out the club the minute he sits down at his desk.

[JimBHibees]

Yup.

This whole ‘Ian is part of a committee’ is a lot of *****.

He’s the effective director of football playing real life football manager and until that changes, it doesn’t matter who’s sitting in the dugout.

How do you know that more than the owner would

[Chorley Hibee]

Contract runs to 2025

**** sake, strap yourself in fellow Hibees, we'll be struggling to see the back of a lot of these guys based on their contract expiry dates.

Relegation might be the only way to get rid of them!

[Scotty Leither]

Contract runs to 2025

That's terrifying.

[CL0762]

How do you know that more than the owner would

Because I trust what I’ve been told.

[Scotty Leither]

How do you know that more than the owner would

His role as committee member was confirmed by his old man on the podcast. I strongly doubt Jack Ross had any input into this particular piece of business, but I suspect no-one at the club will confirm or deny that, least of all our anonymous CEO.

[The Captain....]

No idea what his role is supposed to be. He's not a natural goal scorer, isn't particularly skillful or quick, not really a creative passer of the ball. In the all be it limited times I saw him for Orlando he was the same very much on the fringes of the game.

I just don't see what as a scout you'd see in him and think that he'd solve a particular problem in our attacking play.





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[Bostonhibby]

That's terrifying.There's enough species of owls for us to do a feature on to drag this one over the line.

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[Is It On....]

Yup.

This whole ‘Ian is part of a committee’ is a lot of *****.

He’s the effective director of football playing real life football manager and until that changes, it doesn’t matter who’s sitting in the dugout.

It doesn't take long to sort things out but sort it out we must although Kensell recently saying the winter transfer window was a huge success [excluding losing Martin Boyle] is concerning. If the professional Recruitment guys at the PBS can make Robbie Replay look half decent [and they have only been there for about 18 months] then there is hope. We just need our CEO and owner to admit to themselves that things need to change.

[SlickShoes]

Apologies for the link, but emm, back to you.

Chris Mueller transfer reveal puts Celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen and Hibs fans on red alert - Daily Record (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/chris-mueller-transfer-reveal-puts-24591374)

So you are happy to accept whatever the daily record tells you, but won’t believe a word our owner says, perfect.

The only people that hyped him up were fans, hibs just tried to welcome a new player who we had signed early for the January window. No one framed it as a season changing signing.

[WestStandWillie]

There’s a player in there. I’m not scrap heaping him yet

[MWHIBBIES]

Says a lot when we can't buy a goal and SDG doesn't give him a minute on the pitch. Would appear he is not rated very highly.

Maybe gray is wrong?

[DH1875]

Hope he comes good. Can't see it though. Be back in the MLS this time next year.

[matty_f]

evocative!

indeed :greengrin

[Sir David Gray]

I'd be willing to give him a full pre-season and the first month or two of next season before completely writing him off but the signs aren't good and he looks like he's well out of his depth so far and another waste of money, particularly when so much was made of his signing.

Very underwhelming.

[Hibiza]

Aye , Been a bit of a let down . So far.

[SaulGoodman]

I reckon he’ll come good. He looks good technically.

Such is my apathy with the whole team right now though I couldn’t really care if he stayed or not.

[JDT]

Not sure how true this is but my mate heard that he was having issues getting used to playing on grass. Seemingly he's mostly played on astro before. Like I said, it's just a rumour I got told

[Scotty Leither]

So you are happy to accept whatever the daily record tells you, but won’t believe a word our owner says, perfect.

The only people that hyped him up were fans, hibs just tried to welcome a new player who we had signed early for the January window. No one framed it as a season changing signing.

Nah not quite.

I just trust my own instincts and I've got a real problem with a laddie with zero experience of Scottish football appointed on the whim of his father, announced unheralded on the club website as "Head of Recruitment", taken off the club website when people comment on it, and then reappears again as HoD.

We then bring in a player from America where it appears the manager has no input, isn't ready for the first team when he arrives (like a number of our signings), and when he has put in the odd appearance has been distinctly underwhelming. Oh aye, and he's reportedly on a big wage as well.

That doesn't ring any alarm bells with you as to the quality of our recruitment?

[thebausburst]

Been a poor signing, prob best to cut our losses and let him move on in the summer

[Ronniekirk]

Been a poor signing, prob best to cut our losses and let him move on in the summer

Ron Gordon s sons signing I don’t see them agreeing to do that


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[JimBHibees]

Because I trust what I’ve been told.

From who

[JimBHibees]

His role as committee member was confirmed by his old man on the podcast. I strongly doubt Jack Ross had any input into this particular piece of business, but I suspect no-one at the club will confirm or deny that, least of all our anonymous CEO.

Yes he is part of a team who make recruitment decisions with the CEO with the head coach having the final calll, is that really hugely different from the vast majority of other clubs.

[Heisenberg]

Yup.

This whole ‘Ian is part of a committee’ is a lot of *****.

He’s the effective director of football playing real life football manager and until that changes, it doesn’t matter who’s sitting in the dugout.

A few of the January signings came straight from Ben Kensell I think. Certainly Hauge, Melkersen and Rocky.

[GreenCastle]

Watched quite a bit of him in MLS and wasn’t confident he would do well at Hibs.

He’s good a good attitude and put him around good players and he will be fine but he’s just not got Nani etc around him at Hibs.

Add in he’s not fast - doesn’t beat a defender and also doesn’t score enough goals.

Nice guy and want him to succeed but I just can’t see it.

Aberdeen have same issue with Ramirez. He will be back to MLS in near future.

MLS is a better standard than Scottish Premier but you also have very good players in that league so it’s makes average players look better.

[sunshinejim]

There’s a player in there. I’m not scrap heaping him yet

Agreed. The new manager should have carte blanche from the board to assess the squad and decide who stays and who goes. From the very limited amount of time I've seen Mueller I definitely think he has the potential to make it at Hibernian given a pre season under his belt.

[Dmas]

His role as committee member was confirmed by his old man on the podcast. I strongly doubt Jack Ross had any input into this particular piece of business, but I suspect no-one at the club will confirm or deny that, least of all our anonymous CEO.

I’d wager he did have input, he’s a very typical JR type player and he’s very typical of the players we’ve been signing since Lennons time here, all very ‘samey’ so far there’s nothing between muellar, Drey Wright and Jaime Murphy all brought in to play wide all no pace no tricks and nothing fancy, could even throw Newell in there as he was originally signed to play wide.

Same with GK’s with Bogdan Maxwell Macey all similar levels all failed to dislodge Marciano.

Midfielders - Slivka hyndman halberg JDH Newell Vela all the same no grit no fight nothing fancy

Strikers - 1 physical type striker in doidge all the rest the same type of striker Nisbet Scott melkerson even as far back as kamberi mclaren

The recruitment team has gone off the boil since stubbs maybe the success was down to George Craig but it’s been going wrong long before Ian Gordon

[Scotty Leither]

The part in bold is from the club website:

3 bodies involved with recruitment, and "analysing" the recruitment.

So is this the "committee" that Ron Gordon mentioned in the podcast interview?

I'd love to know what the "committee" do in terms of recruitment, as it would appear that somebody at Easter Road is seriously over-thinking things.

Ian Gordon, Head of Recruitment
Calvin Charlton, Head of Performance and Recruitment Analysis
Luke Griffin, Recruitment Analyst

[Is It On....]

Yes he is part of a team who make recruitment decisions with the CEO with the head coach having the final calll, is that really hugely different from the vast majority of other clubs.

But why should someone with no experience be appointed as Head of such a crucial department. We laughed when Romanov did it with his son and this is really no different.

[Is It On....]

The part in bold is from the club website:

3 bodies involved with recruitment, and "analysing" the recruitment.

So is this the "committee" that Ron Gordon mentioned in the podcast interview?

I'd love to know what the "committee" do in terms of recruitment, as it would appear that somebody at Easter Road is seriously over-thinking things.

Ian Gordon, Head of Recruitment
Calvin Charlton, Head of Performance and Recruitment Analysis
Luke Griffin, Recruitment Analyst

From the club website

"Charlton is now working on establishing a tool within Hibs, particularly regarding talent recruitment, to “allow the decision-makers at the club more clarity and confidence in player trading, as well as providing more insight into less-known markets throughout Europe and the World.”

From my point of view, Charlton should be the key decision maker in terms of the recruitment lists drawn up by the club and neither Ron Gordon, Ian Gordon nor Ben Kensell should be able to unilaterally introduce any names to that list that have not been thoroughly reviewed and authorised by Charlton and his team.

[Scotty Leither]

From the club website

"Charlton is now working on establishing a tool within Hibs, particularly regarding talent recruitment, to “allow the decision-makers at the club more clarity and confidence in player trading, as well as providing more insight into less-known markets throughout Europe and the World.”

From my point of view, Charlton should be the key decision maker in terms of the recruitment lists drawn up by the club and neither Ron Gordon, Ian Gordon nor Ben Kensell should be able to unilaterally introduce any names to that list that have not been thoroughly reviewed and authorised by Charlton and his team.

Thanks. That statement regarding the guy Chartlon could be transcribed as: "We want to bring in players as cheaply as possible, and hope that one or two of them turn out to be not bad and then we'll sell them on".

It's corporate BS, it has no substance nor depth to it. A bit like the team at the moment.

[JimBHibees]

But why should someone with no experience be appointed as Head of such a crucial department. We laughed when Romanov did it with his son and this is really no different.

Coach says he wants player plus few other options. Recruitment find out availability of said player or few other options. Recruitment provide details of player or options. Coach says yes or no. He is not deciding who we sign ffs.

[Scotty Leither]

Coach says he wants player plus few other options. Recruitment find out availability of said player or few other options. Recruitment provide details of player or options. Coach says yes or no. He is not deciding who we sign ffs.

Mueller is 100% Ian Gordon's signing.

[Dmas]

The part in bold is from the club website:

3 bodies involved with recruitment, and "analysing" the recruitment.

So is this the "committee" that Ron Gordon mentioned in the podcast interview?

I'd love to know what the "committee" do in terms of recruitment, as it would appear that somebody at Easter Road is seriously over-thinking things.

Ian Gordon, Head of Recruitment
Calvin Charlton, Head of Performance and Recruitment Analysis
Luke Griffin, Recruitment Analyst

The committee is, Ron Gordon, Ian Gordon, Ben Kensall and Head Coach.

Ian Gordon has the info the analysts flag up as he’s head of that dept, head coach chooses who he wants, Ben Kensall negotiates, Ron Gordon signs the cheque

[Sir David Gray]

But why should someone with no experience be appointed as Head of such a crucial department. We laughed when Romanov did it with his son and this is really no different.

I agree.

[DH1875]

Not sure how true this is but my mate heard that he was having issues getting used to playing on grass. Seemingly he's mostly played on astro before. Like I said, it's just a rumour I got told

Pretty sure Orlando play on grass. (Pretty sure that's where we got him from lol).

[Is It On....]

Thanks. That statement regarding the guy Chartlon could be transcribed as: "We want to bring in players as cheaply as possible, and hope that one or two of them turn out to be not bad and then we'll sell them on".

It's corporate BS, it has no substance nor depth to it. A bit like the team at the moment.

He has been at the club 6 years so would have served his apprenticeship under Craig and Mathie. If we are following the same process [with enhancements], then the positives from the process should be the same. As we have been less successful, then it can only be the mandate given to the team that has changed for the recruitment.

I am an advocate of the Brentford/ Brighton models of data analysis driving recruitment [their owners are self made £billionaires from sports gambling so I would suggest know a thing or 2 about analysing data properly.]

I would hope given we have a link with Brighton, our team would be leaning on them for help in improving our own recruitment analytics.

[Scotty Leither]

He has been at the club 6 years so would have served his apprenticeship under Craig and Mathie. If we are following the same process [with enhancements], then the positives from the process should be the same. As we have been less successful, then it can only be the mandate given to the team that has changed for the recruitment.

I am an advocate of the Brentford/ Brighton models of data analysis driving recruitment [their owners are self made £billionaires from sports gambling so I would suggest know a thing or 2 about analysing data properly.]

I would hope given we have a link with Brighton, our team would be leaning on them for help in improving our own recruitment analytics.

So we have or had: A link up with Brighton, a link up with Stenhousemuir, a link up with Charleston Battery. What have we got from these link-ups in terms of improving our first team?

My mandate to the Board is: Can you buy some decent players that look like they've got some idea how to play for Hibs? Is that too much to ask?

[gbhibby]

Let's wait until next season to judge
There are other signings that have not set the world alight. Let the guy have a full pre season.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Not sure how true this is but my mate heard that he was having issues getting used to playing on grass. Seemingly he's mostly played on astro before. Like I said, it's just a rumour I got told


he better not go back to Orlando city then :(



was your mate not getting mixed up with Melkerson

[SlickShoes]

Nah not quite.

I just trust my own instincts and I've got a real problem with a laddie with zero experience of Scottish football appointed on the whim of his father, announced unheralded on the club website as "Head of Recruitment", taken off the club website when people comment on it, and then reappears again as HoD.

We then bring in a player from America where it appears the manager has no input, isn't ready for the first team when he arrives (like a number of our signings), and when he has put in the odd appearance has been distinctly underwhelming. Oh aye, and he's reportedly on a big wage as well.

That doesn't ring any alarm bells with you as to the quality of our recruitment?

The wage rumour, another load of rubbish. He was on 2.2k at Orlando we aren’t paying him anywhere close to what rumours suggested.

[Scotty Leither]

The wage rumour, another load of rubbish. He was on 2.2k at Orlando we aren’t paying him anywhere close to what rumours suggested.

Enlighten us, what is he on, then?

[The Wireless]

James Scott : had there ever been such a disaster of a loan signing.

I would never blame any player who will always do his best. The fault lies with those who feel he is more than capable of performing. They are failing the Club & supporters with their judgement. We are setting our standards well below where they should be. Poor leadership I am afraid.

[Dmas]

Mueller is 100% Ian Gordon's signing.

“Ross said: “Ideally we’d like to get him earlier. We have worked incredibly hard to bring him in. I think he’s a brilliant signing for us and a really exciting one. Naturally for me as a manager I would like him in now”

https://www.nottheoldfirm.com/interview/hibs-ideally-want-chris-mueller-in-early-says-jack-ross/amp/

Certainly seemed like JR was involved and on board with the signing.

[Not In The Know]

He may or may not turn out to be a good player for us. I think it’s only fair any young guy changing culture and country needs time to settle. Drogba at Chelsea was ridiculed in his first year…

[Glory Lurker]

So we have or had: A link up with Brighton, a link up with Stenhousemuir, a link up with Charleston Battery. What have we got from these link-ups in terms of improving our first team?

My mandate to the Board is: Can you buy some decent players that look like they've got some idea how to play for Hibs? Is that too much to ask?

Don't think the link up with Brighton lasted long, and not sure Stenny is still a thing. We've got a laddie at Charleston at the moment but I haven't followed how that's going.

[Scotty Leither]

“Ross said: “Ideally we’d like to get him earlier. We have worked incredibly hard to bring him in. I think he’s a brilliant signing for us and a really exciting one. Naturally for me as a manager I would like him in now”

https://www.nottheoldfirm.com/interview/hibs-ideally-want-chris-mueller-in-early-says-jack-ross/amp/

Certainly seemed like JR was involved and on board with the signing.

So Ross told the Board that Mueller was his top target? Nah, I'm not having it, sorry.

The laddie Delfreirre (sp) is on a 2.5 year deal too, and has never made a first team appearance yet? What manager signed him?

[LewysGot2]

So Ross told the Board that Mueller was his top target? Nah, I'm not having it, sorry.

The laddie Delfreirre (sp) is on a 2.5 year deal too, and has never made a first team appearance yet? What manager signed him?
He is a development player signed for the future. Still very young. Only involved on fringes of first team due to the injuries and suspensions. Steve Keane said this week he’s a longer term prospect

[Scotty Leither]

He is a development player signed for the future. Still very young. Only involved on fringes of first team due to the injuries and suspensions. Steve Keane said this week he’s a longer term prospect

Ah, another "long-term" prospect then? There's a theme developing here, which is we're being sold a line about developing players, casting our net wide round the world, untapped markets, etc etc - but radio silence on improving the team in the here and now, with a £3m bounty from the Boyle transfer apparently earmarked for other things, i.e. not the first team?

We've been here before with the infrastructure line from Petrie and Co. Same argument, different window dressing.

[JDT]

he better not go back to Orlando city then :(



was your mate not getting mixed up with Melkerson

Honestly maybe he was, he did say Mueller in his message but maybe he meant Hoff.

[Tommy75]

He has been at the club 6 years so would have served his apprenticeship under Craig and Mathie. If we are following the same process [with enhancements], then the positives from the process should be the same. As we have been less successful, then it can only be the mandate given to the team that has changed for the recruitment.

I am an advocate of the Brentford/ Brighton models of data analysis driving recruitment [their owners are self made £billionaires from sports gambling so I would suggest know a thing or 2 about analysing data properly.]

I would hope given we have a link with Brighton, our team would be leaning on them for help in improving our own recruitment analytics.


Fair play to Brentford/ Brighton, their model clearly works for them. However, they are fairly small fish in a big pond. In terms of Scottish football, Hibs are one of the bigger clubs so I don't think that model naturally fits with Hibs and what we should be trying to do.

As for the Brighton link up/partnership - what a pile of nonsense that is.

[Dmas]

So Ross told the Board that Mueller was his top target? Nah, I'm not having it, sorry.

The laddie Delfreirre (sp) is on a 2.5 year deal too, and has never made a first team appearance yet? What manager signed him?

Signed for Steve Kean’s development squad primarily just like hauge and Johnson for next season.

“Delferriere will initially join up with Hibs’ development squad but has signed a deal until 2024 with the club holding a one-year extension option”

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/hibernian-sign-teenage-defender-allan-delferriere-from-standard-liege-1643718495000

[LewysGot2]

Fair play to Brentford/ Brighton, their model clearly works for them. However, they are fairly small fish in a big pond. In terms of Scottish football, Hibs are one of the bigger clubs so I don't think that model naturally fits with Hibs and what we should be trying to do.

As for the Brighton link up/partnership - what a pile of nonsense that is.

Especially as Hearts actually have one of their players on loan in their first team! :confused:

[Scotty Leither]

Signed for Steve Kean’s development squad primarily just like hauge and Johnson for next season.

“Delferriere will initially join up with Hibs’ development squad but has signed a deal until 2024 with the club holding a one-year extension option”

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/hibernian-sign-teenage-defender-allan-delferriere-from-standard-liege-1643718495000

Another one...what a team this'll be in 5/10 years time.

[Dmas]

Ah, another "long-term" prospect then? There's a theme developing here, which is we're being sold a line about developing players, casting our net wide round the world, untapped markets, etc etc - but radio silence on improving the team in the here and now, with a £3m bounty from the Boyle transfer apparently earmarked for other things, i.e. not the first team?

We've been here before with the infrastructure line from Petrie and Co. Same argument, different window dressing.

Maloney said: "The chairman (Ron Gordon) and the CEO (Ben Kensell) have been very clear on what would happen if Martin left.
"It has to be the right profile, the right person, and if that's the case, then we will spend the money that's needed to bring that person here. It has to be the right one though.
"All the work has to be done and I have to be very happy with who that is. When I decide, then we can spend it. If it's this window, then brilliant. If not, we will wait until the summer.

https://planetradio.co.uk/clyde/sport/football-news/hibs-ready-to-reinvest-money/

When Boyle left there was 6 days of the window left. The owner has said the money will be reinvested in the first team.

[Alfred E Newman]

The part in bold is from the club website:

3 bodies involved with recruitment, and "analysing" the recruitment.

So is this the "committee" that Ron Gordon mentioned in the podcast interview?

I'd love to know what the "committee" do in terms of recruitment, as it would appear that somebody at Easter Road is seriously over-thinking things.

Ian Gordon, Head of Recruitment
Calvin Charlton, Head of Performance and Recruitment Analysis
Luke Griffin, Recruitment Analyst

I have to admit that I wouldn't know any of these guys if they were to walk through my living room door .

[Dmas]

I have to admit that I wouldn't know any of these guys if they were to walk through my living room door .

There’s a longbangers podcast with Calvin Charlton as their guest.

https://youtu.be/hHcKh_TnKLc

[Vault Boy]

I have to admit that I wouldn't know any of these guys if they were to walk through my living room door .

Calvin is in plenty of the 2016 Scottish Cup footage and has been with us a good while now. Luke only joined the club a few months ago.

[Is It On....]

Fair play to Brentford/ Brighton, their model clearly works for them. However, they are fairly small fish in a big pond. In terms of Scottish football, Hibs are one of the bigger clubs so I don't think that model naturally fits with Hibs and what we should be trying to do.

As for the Brighton link up/partnership - what a pile of nonsense that is.

I bet the fans of Manchester United, Everton, Sheffield Wednesday, Sunderland, etc wished they were doing their recruitment in a more professional and systematic manner.

[Scotty Leither]

Maloney said: "The chairman (Ron Gordon) and the CEO (Ben Kensell) have been very clear on what would happen if Martin left.
"It has to be the right profile, the right person, and if that's the case, then we will spend the money that's needed to bring that person here. It has to be the right one though.
"All the work has to be done and I have to be very happy with who that is. When I decide, then we can spend it. If it's this window, then brilliant. If not, we will wait until the summer.

https://planetradio.co.uk/clyde/sport/football-news/hibs-ready-to-reinvest-money/

When Boyle left there was 6 days of the window left. The owner has said the money will be reinvested in the first team.

21st of January Boyler left. 10 days of the window to go; not a lot of time, but enough to source a replacement, and in the end we got Jasper, a raw laddie on loan on the last day of the window.

At his Q and A about the only thing of substance Maloney said was that as far as the Boyle money was concerned, there was "areas of the ground needing money spent on it". I'm paraphrasing, but that was the gist of it.

Like I said, same movie we were in countless times under the bean counter Petrie; it's just dressed up differently under Gordon.

[aberhibsfc]

Please forgive me if I've called this wrong, but did he not play a full MLS season before joining us, maybe he needs the summer to recharge.

[sunshinejim]

21st of January Boyler left. 10 days of the window to go; not a lot of time, but enough to source a replacement, and in the end we got Jasper, a raw laddie on loan on the last day of the window.

At his Q and A about the only thing of substance Maloney said was that as far as the Boyle money was concerned, there was "areas of the ground needing money spent on it". I'm paraphrasing, but that was the gist of it.

Like I said, same movie we were in countless times under the bean counter Petrie; it's just dressed up differently under Gordon.

You've stated a good point there. However, unless you have russian criminals throwing other companies millions at you or passive multi miliionaires probably wannabe masons like James Anderson so called philanthropist :faf: whose name only came to light when attempting to bribe Scottish Football into not relegating Hearts then like every other team bar the Glasgow two we have to work within a budget. We need a manager like Michael Appleton who worked wonders for clubs like Lincoln City.

[Dmas]

21st of January Boyler left. 10 days of the window to go; not a lot of time, but enough to source a replacement, and in the end we got Jasper, a raw laddie on loan on the last day of the window.

At his Q and A about the only thing of substance Maloney said was that as far as the Boyle money was concerned, there was "areas of the ground needing money spent on it". I'm paraphrasing, but that was the gist of it.

Like I said, same movie we were in countless times under the bean counter Petrie; it's just dressed up differently under Gordon.

There was an attempt or 2 at Charles-Cook before Jasper, I’m pretty sure we tried for someone else as well but the name escapes me, 10 days to source a Boyle replacement confidentiality enough to spend serious cash on is nowhere close to enough time.

Next season though they’re could be a pretty good development team to lean on through times of crisis, like important players leaving or terrible injury list all just a waste of time and effort though all that forward planning and investment mugs game

[Scotty Leither]

You've stated a good point there. However, unless you have russian criminals throwing other companies millions at you or passive multi miliionaires probably wannabe masons like James Anderson so called philanthropist :faf: whose name only came to light when attempting to bribe Scottish Football into not relegating Hearts then like every other team bar the Glasgow two we have to work within a budget. We need a manager like Michael Appleton who worked wonders for clubs like Lincoln City.

I'm out at "wannabe mason" pal, but thanks for giving me a laugh before I toddle off to my bed.

Gordon needs to match the chat and bonhomie with some action though, as I'm wearying of the inaction where the team's concerned. I became inured to the mediocrity under Petrie, and thought that Gordon might bring a different approach to running things, but I'm beginning to think that faith and hope is misplaced.

I'm fed up seeing sub-standard Hibs players who couldn't kick my @rse, and seriously doubting whether I'll go every week next season, as this turgid ***** is draining the life out of me.

I want some leadership and a sense of purpose at my club. Not feeling it with Gordon/his laddie/Kensell, I'm afraid.

[superfurryhibby]

He is a development player signed for the future. Still very young. Only involved on fringes of first team due to the injuries and suspensions. Steve Keane said this week he’s a longer term prospect

Delferriere or whatever he’s called is now 20, by that age players should be making inroads into first team football if they are capable of it. Long term prospect my erchie.

Mueller has been very disappointing. He came over at the start of December and should have been up to speed pretty soon after January. He’s looked out of his depth in the SPFL.

[sunshinejim]

I'm out at "wannabe mason" pal, but thanks for giving me a laugh before I toddle off to my bed.

Gordon needs to match the chat and bonhomie with some action though, as I'm wearying of the inaction where the team's concerned. I became inured to the mediocrity under Petrie, and thought that Gordon might bring a different approach to running things, but I'm beginning to think that faith and hope is misplaced.

I'm fed up seeing sub-standard Hibs players who couldn't kick my @rse, and seriously doubting whether I'll go every week next season, as this turgid ***** is draining the life out of me.

I want some leadership and a sense of purpose at my club. Not feeling it with Gordon/his laddie/Kensell, I'm afraid.

Why else would some so called philanthropist chuck millions at hearts a club that is full of weirdos that are do or die against Hibernian. Why would he chuck millions of pounds a year at hearts instead of say Help the Homeless or Cancer Research. Philanthropist that was only named when bribing Scottish Football :giruy2:

[Scotty Leither]

There was an attempt or 2 at Charles-Cook before Jasper, I’m pretty sure we tried for someone else as well but the name escapes me, 10 days to source a Boyle replacement confidentiality enough to spend serious cash on is nowhere close to enough time.

Next season though they’re could be a pretty good development team to lean on through times of crisis, like important players leaving or terrible injury list all just a waste of time and effort though all that forward planning and investment mugs game


The bit in bold you've just made my point. He's too dear, let's bring in a laddie from the EFL. Fingers crossed it works out alright.

Good luck with the forward planning and investment when there's 7,000-odd rattling round the stadium if this ***** keeps up. That's the real mug's game right there.

[sunshinejim]

The bit in bold you've just made my point. He's too dear, let's bring in a laddie from the EFL. Fingers crossed it works out alright.

Good luck with the forward planning and investment when there's 7,000-odd rattling round the stadium if this ***** keeps up. That's the real mug's game right there.

At least Hibernian didn't need our fans jumping around in Russian fur hats or weirdly celebrate a do or die against our city rivals. Pure Weirdos.

[Scotty Leither]

At least Hibernian didn't need our fans jumping around in Russian fur hats or weirdly celebrate a do or die against our city rivals. Pure Weirdos.

Aye, whatever pal - stay off the electric soup, FFS.

[sunshinejim]

Aye, whatever pal - stay off the electric soup, FFS.

What don't you like about my take on weirdo hearts so called 'philanthropists' or their weirdo fans whose only objective in life is to do or die against Hibernian? They should have been liquidated. Bent as a two bob note.

[SaulGoodman]

😂😂 this is why I stay up late

[cameronw-hfc]

But why should someone with no experience be appointed as Head of such a crucial department. We laughed when Romanov did it with his son and this is really no different.



To my knowledge, the head of recruitment doesn't usually do the recruiting. He'll have contacts yes, maybe get us the odd player, but he's the one that will get the analyst/s to get what the manager want. He's in charge of guys like Calvin, who btw, is one of the best in the business for our level.

Ian Gordon will be the liaison between Head Coach/Manager and the analyst/scouting team. Calvin is the one that draws up the list, Ian Gordon will take to Maloney and help discuss the financial pros and cons and debate the football side, who then take it to Ben Kensell who does the negotiating.

Well, usually that's how it goes, I'm pretty certain from the interviews we follow a similar process. Ian Gordon isn't the main scout, he's in charge of the scouts. He'll tell them what we want/can afford and help with drawing up realistic lists with them and then take it to the gaffer. I highly doubt him and Ben are the guys scouting everyone, that's the analysts/scouts jobs. I don't have a specific source for this but the Athletic have a few great pieces about the roles behind the scenes and how the all work and interact.

Ian Gordons managing a team/department, not the main guy doing all the scouting work.

[Scotty Leither]

To my knowledge, the head of recruitment doesn't usually do the recruiting. He'll have contacts yes, maybe get us the odd player, but he's the one that will get the analyst/s to get what the manager want. He's in charge of guys like Calvin, who btw, is one of the best in the business for our level.

Ian Gordon will be the liaison between Head Coach/Manager and the analyst/scouting team. Calvin is the one that draws up the list, Ian Gordon will take to Maloney and help discuss the financial pros and cons and debate the football side, who then take it to Ben Kensell who does the negotiating.

Well, usually that's how it goes, I'm pretty certain from the interviews we follow a similar process. Ian Gordon isn't the main scout, he's in charge of the scouts. He'll tell them what we want/can afford and help with drawing up realistic lists with them and then take it to the gaffer. I highly doubt him and Ben are the guys scouting everyone, that's the analysts/scouts jobs. I don't have a specific source for this but the Athletic have a few great pieces about the roles behind the scenes and how the all work and interact.

Ian Gordons managing a team/department, not the main guy doing all the scouting work.

Mueller is Ian Gordon's signing, let there be no doubt about that.

I challenge him/his Dad/Kensell to tell us any different; that's if they break cover any time soon, which I doubt they will as they're utterly unaccountable the lot of them.

[sunshinejim]

Mueller is Ian Gordon's signing, let there be no doubt about that.

I challenge him/his Dad/Kensell to tell us any different; that's if they break cover any time soon, which I doubt they will as they're utterly unaccountable the lot of them.

You sound like a very aggressive anti Ron Gordon family enemy. No Hibernian fan i know would be so personally aggressive. Hearts fans accepted that Romanov was a criminal and financed them with other companies money but were never as self assaulting upon them as you are upon perfectly legitimate business folk.. I wonder why?

[cameronw-hfc]

Mueller is Ian Gordon's signing, let there be no doubt about that.

I challenge him/his Dad/Kensell to tell us any different; that's if they break cover any time soon, which I doubt they will as they're utterly unaccountable the lot of them.

I don't doubt that. He will have contacts and get the odd player, but in general they come from the analysts.

[matty_f]

Mueller is Ian Gordon's signing, let there be no doubt about that.

I challenge him/his Dad/Kensell to tell us any different; that's if they break cover any time soon, which I doubt they will as they're utterly unaccountable the lot of them.

What do you mean about breaking cover and not being accountable, we’re only a week or so since Ron Gordon faced the press and took full responsibility for things?

FWIW, my understanding is that Ian Gordon, despite the message from the club, is far more involved in player identification than simply coordinating the recruitment team. As well as Mueller, he also (I’m told) pushed for the two Charleston players that arrived in lockdown who were nowhere near our level.

I have some serious concerns about how the club is being run at the moment, good people have left or are leaving, we look absolutely bereft of leadership and we are stumbling from one crap performance to another on the pitch. It’s nowhere near good enough.

[1875Sean]

Highly rated but I jus dont think he’s that good at this level, a bit like Cummings leaving Dundee and looking like one of the best players in the Aussie league, if the rumours are true and he is one of the highest paid players we need to try and move him on

[Brown Hibs]

What do you mean about breaking cover and not being accountable, we’re only a week or so since Ron Gordon faced the press and took full responsibility for things?

FWIW, my understanding is that Ian Gordon, despite the message from the club, is far more involved in player identification than simply coordinating the recruitment team. As well as Mueller, he also (I’m told) pushed for the two Charleston players that arrived in lockdown who were nowhere near our level.

I have some serious concerns about how the club is being run at the moment, good people have left or are leaving, we look absolutely bereft of leadership and we are stumbling from one crap performance to another on the pitch. It’s nowhere near good enough.

Poor signing and be tough to shift sadly.

[matty_f]

Highly rated but I jus dont think he’s that good at this level, a bit like Cummings leaving Dundee and looking like one of the best players in the Aussie league, if the rumours are true and he is one of the highest paid players we need to try and move him on

I think we are more likely to see what he’s got next season - he won’t be the first player to struggle to adapt to Scottish football initially, and he won’t be the last.

[WellingtonHibby]

James Scott : had there ever been such a disaster of a loan signing.

Steven pinsu
Torben joneleit

[GreenCastle]

So who person in recruitment is deciding if the player has the right character / personality for the team?

Leadership skills etc ?

Completed passes etc are one thing but there is no co-incidence we are signing similar vanilla players due to stats.

Also for the posters saying we had 10 days to replace Boyle…that’s not how Hibs should be working. Hibs will always lose players and should know the options if someone like Boyle leaves.

Losing players shouldn’t be a surprise to Hibs.

[Dmas]

What do you mean about breaking cover and not being accountable, we’re only a week or so since Ron Gordon faced the press and took full responsibility for things?

FWIW, my understanding is that Ian Gordon, despite the message from the club, is far more involved in player identification than simply coordinating the recruitment team. As well as Mueller, he also (I’m told) pushed for the two Charleston players that arrived in lockdown who were nowhere near our level.

I have some serious concerns about how the club is being run at the moment, good people have left or are leaving, we look absolutely bereft of leadership and we are stumbling from one crap performance to another on the pitch. It’s nowhere near good enough.

Absolutely not doubting anything here that your saying right…but…neither player that arrived from Battery on trial won a contract here, which leads to thinking it didn’t matter what IG thought about a player the manager didn’t want them they didn’t stay, the poster your replying to is hell bent on telling us muellar is 100% an IG signing and JR had no options but to take him that is quite clearly not the case.

People will recommend players all over the place, we’re told bushiri is kensalls but are we trying to say SM had absolutely no knowledge of this guy despite his involvement with Belgium U21’s, Henderson was also lined up before SM arrived are we saying he didn’t know anything about him?
Melkerson hauge no matter what u think about it they where brought in for development squad first and foremost it’s injuries and suspension that lifted them to first team involvement, they’re not ready,have completed a season and a half of football and if rumours are to be believed never saw grass before arriving here.

[Spike Mandela]

Martin Boyle started slowly at Hibs before becoming the important player for us he became. Nothing to say Mueller can’t do the same.

[J-C]

Absolutely not doubting anything here that your saying right…but…neither player that arrived from Battery on trial won a contract here, which leads to thinking it didn’t matter what IG thought about a player the manager didn’t want them they didn’t stay, the poster your replying to is hell bent on telling us muellar is 100% an IG signing and JR had no options but to take him that is quite clearly not the case.

People will recommend players all over the place, we’re told bushiri is kensalls but are we trying to say SM had absolutely no knowledge of this guy despite his involvement with Belgium U21’s, Henderson was also lined up before SM arrived are we saying he didn’t know anything about him?
Melkerson hauge no matter what u think about it they where brought in for development squad first and foremost it’s injuries and suspension that lifted them to first team involvement, they’re not ready,have completed a season and a half of football and if rumours are to be believed never saw grass before arriving here.


Surely the point of a link between the clubs means we get a chance to cherry pick their better players, unfortunately this time their better players aren't good enough for us, we had a look and decided no, where's the harm in that.

[Dmas]

Surely the point of a link between the clubs means we get a chance to cherry pick their better players, unfortunately this time their better players aren't good enough for us, we had a look and decided no, where's the harm in that.

I’m not saying there is harm, there’s a suggestion that IG is forcing players on the management im saying the final decision lies with the manager and the evidence so far proves that.

2 guys from battery where deemed not good enough and JR wanted Chris Muellar

[J-C]

I’m not saying there is harm, there’s a suggestion that IG is forcing players on the management im saying the final decision lies with the manager and the evidence so far proves that.

2 guys from battery where deemed not good enough and JR wanted Chris Muellar


:aok:

[Brooster]

Sadly and predictably he isn't even bordering on being average, just like most of the players in our squad and the main reason why we are doing so badly. Keep Clarke, Doig, Henderson, Melkerson, Cadden, Porteous and Nisbet. Get rid of as many as the rest as we can.

[CL0762]

What do you mean about breaking cover and not being accountable, we’re only a week or so since Ron Gordon faced the press and took full responsibility for things?

FWIW, my understanding is that Ian Gordon, despite the message from the club, is far more involved in player identification than simply coordinating the recruitment team. As well as Mueller, he also (I’m told) pushed for the two Charleston players that arrived in lockdown who were nowhere near our level.

I have some serious concerns about how the club is being run at the moment, good people have left or are leaving, we look absolutely bereft of leadership and we are stumbling from one crap performance to another on the pitch. It’s nowhere near good enough.

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

Excellent summary, Matty.

[bigwheel]

Sadly and predictably he isn't even bordering on being average, just like most of the players in our squad and the main reason why we are doing so badly. Keep Clarke, Doig, Henderson, Melkerson, Cadden, Porteous and Nisbet. Get rid of as many as the rest as we can.

And unfortunately, Clarke may go elsewhere and Doig and Porto will be off in the summer - leaves us with a complete rebuild … I’d be happy for Hanlon and Stevenson to be with us next season - more than good enough …still the same though - massive rebuild required..

[GreenArmy1875]

Needs to beef up a bit over the summer and get up to pace with with Scottish game. Seen glimpses of good ability in some games but a little lightweight. Fingers crossed a good pre season will help him.

[Jdawg]

Looks like a wee lost boy. Nowhere near good enough.

[Greenbeard]

Im cautiously optimistic he will look a lot better after a rest and a good pre season. It isn’t easy moving half way round the world especially from the states to Scotland.
That doesn't wash with me. He finished in the US before Xmas did he not? Three or four weeks to rest/re-energise should be more than sufficient for a pro athlete. That has left him three more months to date to get up to speed. I am not aware of him being out injured during these three months. There is an old adage in athletics that you are never more than 6 weeks away from running a personal best (serious injury aside).

[Dmas]

That doesn't wash with me. He finished in the US before Xmas did he not? Three or four weeks to rest/re-energise should be more than sufficient for a pro athlete. That has left him three more months to date to get up to speed. I am not aware of him being out injured during these three months. There is an old adage in athletics that you are never more than 6 weeks away from running a personal best (serious injury aside).

He had covid.

The guy needs time it’s a whole change in life not just an extended season for him.

[Since452]

Jury out but been a pretty big change for him. Will judge him after a full pre season.

[JimBHibees]

Please forgive me if I've called this wrong, but did he not play a full MLS season before joining us, maybe he needs the summer to recharge.

Good point huge lifestyle move settling into new country with his partner. Likely see the best he will be after pre season

[JimBHibees]

Jury out but been a pretty big change for him. Will judge him after a full pre season.

:agree:

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Martin Boyle started slowly at Hibs before becoming the important player for us he became. Nothing to say Mueller can’t do the same.

There's truth in that, but Boyle came in as swap and was perhaps a nothing to lose punt to see what might happen. Mueller was being hyped up as a prestige signing and the club painted themselves into a corner. In hindsight he should have gone straight out on loan to the Championship to get game time, but after all the hooh-hah getting him here that wasn't an option.

[lucky]

I’ve said before Muller is too slow and not strong enough for Scottish football. That does not make him a bad player he’s just not suited to the rough and tumble of football in this country.

[The Captain....]

There's truth in that, but Boyle came in as swap and was perhaps a nothing to lose punt to see what might happen. Mueller was being hyped up as a prestige signing and the club painted themselves into a corner. In hindsight he should have gone straight out on loan to the Championship to get game time, but after all the hooh-hah getting him here that wasn't an option.Agreed..the other thing with Boyle is you could see he had the raw materials in his pace and ability to take players on. I haven't (as yet) seen anything from Mueller that indicates he'll be a productive player for us.

A pre season increasing his strength and fitness will hopefully help.

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[Tambo]

Bit 50/50 so far for me, has had a few good moments but was expecting more.

[snedzuk]

So who person in recruitment is deciding if the player has the right character / personality for the team?

Leadership skills etc ?

Completed passes etc are one thing but there is no co-incidence we are signing similar vanilla players due to stats.

Also for the posters saying we had 10 days to replace Boyle…that’s not how Hibs should be working. Hibs will always lose players and should know the options if someone like Boyle leaves.

Losing players shouldn’t be a surprise to Hibs.

...or managers.

[500miles]

I’ve said before Muller is too slow and not strong enough for Scottish football. That does not make him a bad player he’s just not suited to the rough and tumble of football in this country.

Gauld came back and couldn't cope. It's a tough league.

Hopefully an MLS team fancies Mueller in the summer based on his capabilities there.

[Vault Boy]

I’m not saying there is harm, there’s a suggestion that IG is forcing players on the management im saying the final decision lies with the manager and the evidence so far proves that.

2 guys from battery where deemed not good enough and JR wanted Chris Muellar

The issue with the two Charleston players coming in on trial is that it was a total waste of money.

It cost a lot to get them across and put them up. Particularly when it was never, ever going to lead to them signing. The gap between the standard is cavernous.

IIRC one of them wouldn't have been eligible for a work permit anyway. Just a weird decision IMO.

[DH1875]

Why do folk put Mueller and Melkerson in the same bracket. Mueller isn't some young prospect. He is 26 in the summer....

[Pretty Boy]

Why do folk put Mueller and Melkerson in the same bracket. Mueller isn't some young prospect. He is 26 in the summer....

It's an argument I always make. If players aren't ready for Hibs 1st team by their very early 20s then they have already hit their ceiling. I'm sure there is an exception somewhere (Martin Boyle was 22 when we signed him and took a while to get going so maybe him).

I've seen someone like Matt Macey (28 early next season, 100+ 1st team games) described as 'still developing'. Mueller may get a bit of a pass because he has come from a different style and culture of football but he needs to find his feet and quickly, at his age he hasn't got much development left. For the likes of Dabrowski (24 in June), Campbell (22 this month) and Bushiri (22) it's really now or never at Hibs.

[Hibs90]

If the club can overblow his reputation in the manner they did when they signed him, then it shouldn't be a problem selling him.

If nowt else it would get his reported inflated wage off the books as well.

Unless the new manager(s) they have in mind are at clubs that are still involved in promotion/relegation battles, then he should be in the door as soon as possible and working on transfers in and out the club the minute he sits down at his desk.

His reported inflated wage is a load of nonsense. That's a fact.


Mueller is Ian Gordon's signing, let there be no doubt about that.

I challenge him/his Dad/Kensell to tell us any different; that's if they break cover any time soon, which I doubt they will as they're utterly unaccountable the lot of them.

You mean like how Ron done a full media press conference after sacking Maloney? :greengrin


Highly rated but I jus dont think he’s that good at this level, a bit like Cummings leaving Dundee and looking like one of the best players in the Aussie league, if the rumours are true and he is one of the highest paid players we need to try and move him on

He's not one of the highest paid players.

[1875Sean]

His reported inflated wage is a load of nonsense. That's a fact.



You mean like how Ron done a full media press conference after sacking Maloney? :greengrin



He's not one of the highest paid players.

How do you know how much he is on?

Sure I seen he was on decent money in America, coming to Hibs he would be offering him more, not saying he is a highest earner but he will be on decent money for getting splinters in his arse

[SlickShoes]

How do you know how much he is on?

Sure I seen he was on decent money in America, coming to Hibs he would be offering him more, not saying he is a highest earner but he will be on decent money for getting splinters in his arse

2200 p/w at Orlando

[Brown Hibs]

He's pony

[bordergreen]

I think he is a good player. In a strong Hibs Team, competing all over the park, I think he would shine.

[Hibs90]

How do you know how much he is on?

Sure I seen he was on decent money in America, coming to Hibs he would be offering him more, not saying he is a highest earner but he will be on decent money for getting splinters in his arse

Hibs denied it through the press back in January

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

I think he is a good player. In a strong Hibs Team, competing all over the park, I think he would shine.

I suppose the issue there is that we are not a strong team and the moment, and speculating on what you can do tomorrow when what matters is what you can do today , is a risky strategy.

[Brooster]

I think he is a good player. In a strong Hibs Team, competing all over the park, I think he would shine.

Can't get my head around anyone thinking he is a good player.

[Eyrie]

Can't get my head around anyone thinking he is a good player.

It's only possible if someone hasn't seen his performances so far for us.

I think Mueller himself would be disappointed by them. He's a borderline bust at this stage.

[Hibee Mac]

Anyone saying they think he's a good player or he will show his quality next season is basing their opinion on hope instead of reality.

Sad fact is he's shown next to nothing to make anyone think he could be a success since he's arrived.

[Nicho87]

I reckon he will leave in the summer

Wasn’t convinced before we signed him

Not convinced after seeing him

He will be on big wages, would move him on ASAP.

[Scotty Leither]

I really, really hope there'll be some frank discussions going on both now, and when we appoint the new gaffer as to which players are staying/going and how we're going to finance any new arrivals.

That discussion should include who's marketable in the current squad (beyond the obvious ones of Porto and Doig, both of whom I'd like us to keep), and top of that list should be the serial flatter-to-deceivers, such a JDH, Newell, and Mueller.

I can't see Mueller being sold though, because that would be an admission of failure by our Recruitment team, and I doubt they'll appoint a manager with the cojones to tell them that as well.

[basehibby]

Steven pinsu
Torben joneleit
Did Pinau not score an equaliser vs the Yams?

[ahibby]

I’ve said before Muller is too slow and not strong enough for Scottish football. That does not make him a bad player he’s just not suited to the rough and tumble of football in this country.

His work rate is okay but speed and ability lacking, the latter so far. Really difficult to see hiw we could use him effectively.

[Sir David Gray]

Did Pinau not score an equaliser vs the Yams?

No, he only scored once for us which was in a cup defeat to Morton at Easter Road.

[Northernhibee]

I'm holding out some hope that he may be a bit like Jorge Claros. In his first few months with us he was dreadful, but we added Gary Deegan for a bit of grit in midfield and with a pre season he ended up looking really good when his strengths hadn't been apparent in those first few months.

Give him a break in the summer, a pre season and we may well see a different player.

[AdidasHibernian]

Some rumours online he is leaving? Going back to America?

[Pretty Boy]

Did Pinau not score an equaliser vs the Yams?

Are you thinking of Ricardo Vaz Te?

[Carheenlea]

Some rumours online he is leaving? Going back to America?

Free transfer being suggested.

https://twitter.com/paultenorio/status/1521218236783681537?s=21&t=b4mhkiZXkfEBHVUqDnzvag

[Since452]

Maybe the season isn't a complete disaster after all. One down.

[Heisenberg]

He always looked so out of his depth. No great loss and presumably a bigger wage freed up.

[SlickShoes]

I am sure some folk will find a way to now have a go at hibs again for letting him go despite posting that he’s not good enough

[CL0762]

Free transfer after a 4 year deal was signed 😂😂😂

Whoever our head of recruitment is, is doing an absolutely incredible job.

[WestStandWillie]

So we’re losing him for nothing? Something rotten at our club

[Pretty Boy]

What a bizarre episode.

So much hype, didn't show a lot and looks like he will be gone in less than 6 months.

Maybe we got a 2 for 1 air fare with the goalkeeping coach.

[LewysGot2]

Free transfer being suggested.

https://twitter.com/paultenorio/status/1521218236783681537?s=21&t=b4mhkiZXkfEBHVUqDnzvag


Wow…if true :confused:

[Pretty Boy]

Wow…if true :confused:

I'd imagine it will be.

A lot of US sports journos are as good as employees of the club. They are fed their lines and report them when they are told.

[Since452]

He couldn't get a start ahead of James Scott. Says it all. Unfortunately massively overrated when he arrived.

[SlickShoes]

There we go, complaints already, brilliant.

[Unseen work]

Stunned if true.

I’ve not been overly impressed and he has shown flashes of what he could offer, whether that would be good and consistent enough I don’t know.

But you would surely think that we would have gave him the summer and good pre season? He’s played 18 months solid and loves country, surely there’s a bit of settling in?

Only thing I can think of is he is home sick but even at that you’d imagine we’d get some sort of fee? Or maybe we’re just happy to get his wages off the table and put them to better use.

I mentioned the other week how I wanted Jasper permanent (and still do) but when you break it down and think a front 3 of him, Mueller and Melkersen which is what we’ve had this season it’s not good enough so maybe a good decision to cut our losses.

What if the new manager would have wanted him though? Same with Macey who is being offered about? What if he doesn’t want Marshall?

[Pretty Boy]

I am sure some folk will find a way to now have a go at hibs again for letting him go despite posting that he’s not good enough

I think most of the complaints will be that we signed him in the 1st place.

[CL0762]

There we go, complaints already, brilliant.

I think the majority of complaints will be Hibs releasing a very expensive asset for absolutely nothing.

[Sir David Gray]

Not good enough and yet another in a long line of poor decisions which have been made at Hibs recently.

Good luck to him but I suspect he will be instantly forgetful once he's gone.

[hibee1875]

What a disaster. A shame as I really thought there was something in him after his first couple of sun appearances.

Homesick? Can’t play on grass? Doesn’t like the physical side of the game? Can’t adapt to the pace of the game?

Who knows, but what a **** show after they way he was hyped up.

[huggie1875]

If true I Wonder how he’ll put this in his next how to succeed book 🤔

[Bobo]

So in the absence of any manager being in place, who's actually making these decisions on the playing squad? The same clown who has authorised signings/contracts over the past 18 months?!

[Since452]

I'd genuinely rather play his owl up front.

[Billy Whizz]

I'd genuinely rather play his owl up front.

Let’s not slag the lad, it’s not his fault Ian Gordon thought he was good enough for the Scottish Premiership

[1875Sean]

So we’re losing him for nothing? Something rotten at our club

Can’t expect for fee for him, juts glad he’s off the wage bill

[Brightside]

We are being run by fools right now.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

I think the majority of complaints will be Hibs releasing a very expensive asset for absolutely nothing.

If true, it's a statement of intent of the scale of rebuilding that is needed.

[500miles]

Gauld came back and couldn't cope. It's a tough league.

Hopefully an MLS team fancies Mueller in the summer based on his capabilities there.

Yaaaaaaas.

[B.H.F.C]

So in the absence of any manager being in place, who's actually making these decisions on the playing squad? The same clown who has authorised signings/contracts over the past 18 months?!

If he’s going back to America as quickly I’d guess it’s not entirely a footballing decision.

[Brightside]

I am sure some folk will find a way to now have a go at hibs again for letting him go despite posting that he’s not good enough

The club are a mess right now. Big changes required in how we run the club.

[Alfred E Newman]

Some rumours online he is leaving? Going back to America?

Some good news at last. Pity about the cash wasted.

[blackpoolhibs]

I'd genuinely rather play his owl up front.

Probably better on the wing.

[inglisavhibs]

What a disaster. A shame as I really thought there was something in him after his first couple of sun appearances.

Homesick? Can’t play on grass? Doesn’t like the physical side of the game? Can’t adapt to the pace of the game?

Who knows, but what a **** show after they way he was hyped up.
Best bit of news for ages, he was well short of being any use to us.

[Since452]

Let’s not slag the lad, it’s not his fault Ian Gordon thought he was good enough for the Scottish Premiership

That's worrying. Glad SDG didn't.

[Squealing pig]

Hopefully true

[Stokesy's on fire]

So we’re losing him for nothing? Something rotten at our club

Yup...Clubs gone backwards since Mr Gordon took over

[Libby Hibby]

We are being run by fools right now.

Would it be more foolish to keep him? I didn’t think he had the pace or strength for this league.

[Capt Mainwaring]

another damning indictment of our miserable recruitment strategy!!

No where near good enough

[Coco Bryce]

Shouldn't this have been a decision for our next manager?

[hibeesjoe]

Free transfer. Hibs are a total embarrassment at the moment.

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[LewysGot2]

another damning indictment of our miserable recruitment strategy!!

No where near good enough

Don’t panic!

:wink:

[Unseen work]

In fairness to the club on paper he looked a very good addition with most people stunned he was coming to us.

Just because it doesn’t work out doesn’t always mean it was wrong to go for him.

You see loads of good players struggle at certain clubs for whatever reason

[Pretty Boy]

The club are a mess right now. Big changes required in how we run the club.

The American market seems to have been particularly costly.

Those trialists who were miles out their depth who we paid to bring over. Whatever we shelled out on Mueller for no return and a GK coach who was here and gone in the blink of an eye.....

I suppose it could suggest we are planning to operate in more familiar territory moving forward. I've no issue with looking outside the usual comfort zone for players but, for better or worse, Scottish football needs a certain type and it was quite evident from early on that Chris Mueller wasn't it.

[Mikey_1875]

Shouldn't this have been a decision for our next manager?

I’d guess it was mainly the player that was forcing it. Possibly unimpressed with his lack of game time? Makes all the tough mindset chat coming from him look a bit silly.

[Hiber-nation]

In fairness to the club on paper he looked a very good addition with most people stunned he was coming to us.

Just because it doesn’t work out doesn’t always mean it was wrong to go for him.

You see loads of good players struggle at certain clubs for whatever reason

It was pretty clear in the MLS game I watched that he was average at best.

[hibee1875]

Free transfer. Hibs are a total embarrassment at the moment.

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I don’t see what the big deal is if he’s going for free. That’s all it is atm, an if.

We paid nothing for him. All we’ve lost is wages and he has earned those wages.

[J-C]

It could just be that the lad (or his missus) hasn't settled and wants to go back to the States, not all foreign players take to Scottish football, every transfer doesn't work out and at least he didn't cost anything except wages.

[Michael]

So we’re losing him for nothing? Something rotten at our club

Better than paying someone (a presumably big-ish wage) to sit on the bench.

Agreed though, recruitment has been getting steadily worse for years.

[Northernhibee]

The American market seems to have been particularly costly.

Those trialists who were miles out their depth who we paid to bring over. Whatever we shelled out on Mueller for no return and a GK coach who was here and gone in the blink of an eye.....

I suppose it could suggest we are planning to operate in more familiar territory moving forward. I've no issue with looking outside the usual comfort zone for players but, for better or worse, Scottish football needs a certain type and it was quite evident from early on that Chris Mueller wasn't it.

I’m a bit concerned about the other signings we’ve made this winter. None have really hit the ground running other than Clarke and maybe Mitchell.

To the untrained eye, it’s like we have no idea what our strategy is.

[Stevie Reid]

Did Aberdeen not make a disastrous signing from the MLS a couple of years back, £700K or so for a CH who barely played?

Sounds like we’re getting off lightly here. Thank **** our attempts to get him in earlier for a fee were in vain.

[Glory Lurker]

The last 12 months have been absolutely mental. God knows what nick we'll be in if the next twelve aren't a huge improvement.

[Since452]

Is the guy who thought Mueller was good enough for the Scottish Premiership not down in London last week trying to find a new manager with the guy who thought Maloney was the answer? Exciting times ahead...

[hibee1875]

I’d guess it was mainly the player that was forcing it. Possibly unimpressed with his lack of game time? Makes all the tough mindset chat coming from him look a bit silly.

Only silly if even a fraction of what you’ve said is true. Which really makes you look a bit silly hypothesising over something you have no knowledge on

[Billy Whizz]

The American market seems to have been particularly costly.

Those trialists who were miles out their depth who we paid to bring over. Whatever we shelled out on Mueller for no return and a GK coach who was here and gone in the blink of an eye.....

I suppose it could suggest we are planning to operate in more familiar territory moving forward. I've no issue with looking outside the usual comfort zone for players but, for better or worse, Scottish football needs a certain type and it was quite evident from early on that Chris Mueller wasn't it.

Surely Charleston battery isn’t costing Hibs any money, other than flights?

[SlickShoes]

I think the majority of complaints will be Hibs releasing a very expensive asset for absolutely nothing.

How is he an asset if no one will pay for him?

[Stuart93]

I don’t see what the big deal is if he’s going for free. That’s all it is atm, an if.

We paid nothing for him. All we’ve lost is wages and he has earned those wages.

Not sure earned those wages is correct. He done the square root of **** all.

[hibee1875]

Did Aberdeen not make a disastrous signing from the MLS a couple of years back, £700K or so for a CH who barely played?

Sounds like we’re getting off lightly here. Thank **** our attempts to get him I in earlier for a fee were in vain.

Has that CH rangers signed ever played? Sands?

[bigwheel]

I’m a bit concerned about the other signings we’ve made this winter. None have really hit the ground running other than Clarke and maybe Mitchell.

To the untrained eye, it’s like we have no idea what our strategy is.

I’d agree with that - after sacking head of football post a bad summer window ..followed by loads of messages that we will address it in winter ..the Jan window looks really weak ..the recruitment at our club must be around the worst in the league at the moment - a big fall from a number of years of decent activity ..

[GreenCastle]

Another odd moment in the last few months.

As far as I’m aware it was never announced how long Mueller had signed for. Unless I missed that ??? Bit odd really if this was the case.

Add in it’s obvious he hasn’t settled in Edinburgh- moving in winter from Florida to Edinburgh would definitely be a culture shock.

I think he has a good attitude but just isn’t what we need - watched him a lot in MLS and never was convinced with the hype. Playing with Nani to playing with James Scott..

He’s a positive guy and all the negativity was probably doing his head in so will be off back to USA. Wish him well.

[Unseen work]

It was pretty clear in the MLS game I watched that he was average at best.

Out of interest was that after we had signed him? I thought the same and never saw him as a player that was particularly brilliant.

But a lot of Orlando fans said once announced with us his form completely dipped.

[davhibby]

Did Aberdeen not make a disastrous signing from the MLS a couple of years back, £700K or so for a CH who barely played?

Sounds like we’re getting off lightly here. Thank **** our attempts to get him I in earlier for a fee were in vain.

They never really signed him for themselves. They effectively held onto him until Atlanta had a squad space for him.

[Stuart93]

Is the guy who thought Mueller was good enough for the Scottish Premiership not down in London last week trying to find a new manager with the guy who thought Maloney was the answer? Exciting times ahead...

Quite frightening. RG comes out and tells us how hard his sons working etc etc yet a player he’s just brought in who the club have been very vocal about is heading back home after a few months here.

He holds absolutely zero qualifications that make him a fit for the role he’s in.

[GreenCastle]

Did Aberdeen not make a disastrous signing from the MLS a couple of years back, £700K or so for a CH who barely played?

Sounds like we’re getting off lightly here. Thank **** our attempts to get him I in earlier for a fee were in vain.

MLS is a better standard than the Scottish league but some players seem to struggle with the move to Scotland.

Ramirez will leave Aberdeen as he’s also had a crap / unsettled season.

MLS is a lot more interesting league and better than the crap stadiums we have here like Ross County etc.

[LewysGot2]

Another odd moment in the last few months.

As far as I’m aware it was never announced how long Mueller had signed for. Unless I missed that ??? Bit odd really if this was the case.

Add in it’s obvious he hasn’t settled in Edinburgh- moving in winter from Florida to Edinburgh would definitely be a culture shock.

I think he has a good attitude but just isn’t what we need - watched him a lot in MLS and never was convinced with the hype. Playing with Nani to playing with James Scott..

He’s a positive guy and all the negativity was probably doing his head in so will be off back to USA. Wish him well.

He’s not a Floridian though, he’s from further north where winters are worse than ours. I think he’s probably had a reality check here and then Chicago Fire are from his own neck of the woods.

But it’s all speculation at the moment. Did he train today?

[Chorley Hibee]

Is the guy who thought Mueller was good enough for the Scottish Premiership not down in London last week trying to find a new manager with the guy who thought Maloney was the answer? Exciting times ahead...

Yep, dread to think where we'll be 12 months from now.

[hibeesjoe]

In fairness to the club on paper he looked a very good addition with most people stunned he was coming to us.

Just because it doesn’t work out doesn’t always mean it was wrong to go for him.

You see loads of good players struggle at certain clubs for whatever reasonTotally get what your saying about he looked a player on paper and YouTube show reels but if he leaves on a free transfer then its cost Hibs 100's of thousands for a 5 month stint. I'm honestly at the point where I think Ron Gordon has done sod all for Hibs apart from putting in a couple of big TVs.

Every Scottish club knew what the coefficient meant and what that would bring for qualifying for Europe this season. We finish 3rd last season, don't bother spending the money to strengthen the team and now it's all came home to roost. Rotting away in the bottom 6 with no manager while the tramps across the city will be playing European football for a couple of months and all the financial benefits that go with it. Hibs have missed a trick and look at the state of us now.

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[Johnny_Leith]

Another odd moment in the last few months.

As far as I’m aware it was never announced how long Mueller had signed for. Unless I missed that ??? Bit odd really if this was the case.

Add in it’s obvious he hasn’t settled in Edinburgh- moving in winter from Florida to Edinburgh would definitely be a culture shock.

I think he has a good attitude but just isn’t what we need - watched him a lot in MLS and never was convinced with the hype. Playing with Nani to playing with James Scott..

He’s a positive guy and all the negativity was probably doing his head in so will be off back to USA. Wish him well.

Sure it was a 3.5 year contract, announced in the EEN. I think he's from Illinois so would be used to the cold.

I was hoping to see a big improvement after a pre season and some more time settling into the UK but it does look like he's going to move on.

[hibee1875]

Another odd moment in the last few months.

As far as I’m aware it was never announced how long Mueller had signed for. Unless I missed that ??? Bit odd really if this was the case.

Add in it’s obvious he hasn’t settled in Edinburgh- moving in winter from Florida to Edinburgh would definitely be a culture shock.

I think he has a good attitude but just isn’t what we need - watched him a lot in MLS and never was convinced with the hype. Playing with Nani to playing with James Scott..

He’s a positive guy and all the negativity was probably doing his head in so will be off back to USA. Wish him well.

He’s from Chicago. Sure it’s colder there than it is here so I don’t think the weather is a factor

[AL-Qaholik]

A player RG highlighted during the recent Q&A as an example of how ”excellent” our recruitment team (and his utterly unqualified son) were.

What say you now, Ronnie-boy?

[Gordy M]

Id imagine that the fact he is away back to the MLS is that he is homesick, hasnt settled etc. Better to let him go rather than keep him. Sometimes you take a chance on a player and it doesnt work out.....no club in the world has a 100% success rate.

[hibee1875]

Totally get what your saying about he looked a player on paper and YouTube show reels but if he leaves on a free transfer then its cost Hibs 100's of thousands for a 5 month stint. I'm honestly at the point where I think Ron Gordon has done sod all for Hibs apart from putting in a couple of big TVs.

Every Scottish club knew what the coefficient meant and what that would bring for qualifying for Europe this season. We finish 3rd last season, don't bother spending the money to strengthen the team and now it's all came home to roost. Rotting away in the bottom 6 with no manager while the tramps across the city will be playing European football for a couple of months and all the financial benefits that go with it. Hibs have missed a trick and look at the state of us now.

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What’s the 100s of thousands calculation?

[LewysGot2]

He’s from Chicago. Sure it’s colder there than it is here so I don’t think the weather is a factor

He said exactly that at the fans Q and A in March :agree:

[Hiber-nation]

Out of interest was that after we had signed him? I thought the same and never saw him as a player that was particularly brilliant.

But a lot of Orlando fans said once announced with us his form completely dipped.

Must have been a bit after he signed the pre-contract, probably Oct/Nov. He was playing on the right of a front 3 and contributed nowt.

[hibeesjoe]

What’s the 100s of thousands calculation?My mistake, I thought we paid a fee for him. Still wouldn't have been cheap adding it all up though.

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[JamesHFC]

He’s the only Hibs player I’ve had as a neighbour for at least 10 years, that I know about anyway. Guy lasted about 4/5 months, must have hated the neighbourhood 😂

[Sioux]

Totally get what your saying about he looked a player on paper and YouTube show reels but if he leaves on a free transfer then its cost Hibs 100's of thousands for a 5 month stint. I'm honestly at the point where I think Ron Gordon has done sod all for Hibs apart from putting in a couple of big TVs.

Every Scottish club knew what the coefficient meant and what that would bring for qualifying for Europe this season. We finish 3rd last season, don't bother spending the money to strengthen the team and now it's all came home to roost. Rotting away in the bottom 6 with no manager while the tramps across the city will be playing European football for a couple of months and all the financial benefits that go with it. Hibs have missed a trick and look at the state of us now.

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Really?

[Ozyhibby]

This is a good thing. I was hoping he would be better than he is but being able to cut our losses on this is a real boost. It allows the new manager some freedom within our budget to bring players in.


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[GreenCastle]

My point was Florida to Scotland is definitely different.

I know he’s from a cold part of the USA but he wasn’t playing in the cold every week.

His brought his girlfriend and dog over to try settle but sometimes things just don’t work out:

Will see if we hear anything next few days.

He was at training today yes but with the subs group doing shooting he’s technically good but just not very fast for a winger and a little lightweight.

[hibee1875]

My mistake, I thought we paid a fee for him. Still wouldn't have been cheap adding it all up though.

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Less than £100k is my best guess. Definitely wasn’t on the £10k many on here spat feathers about.

[Northernhibee]

He’s the only Hibs player I’ve had as a neighbour for at least 10 years, that I know about anyway. Guy lasted about 4/5 months, must have hated the neighbourhood 😂

Your fault then? 😂

[FitbaFolkKen]

Let's wait for confirmation before we savage the guy?

[Mcbizz1998]

So we’re losing him for nothing? Something rotten at our club

Well it’s either that or keep him. Nobody is paying a fee for him so best just to cut our losses.

[hibee-boys]

According to some that’ll be £10k a week that can be better spent🤔🙄 Another experiment that hasn’t worked out but I’d rather the club, like what they’ve done with Maloney, act now rather than him waste a wage for the next few years. Can we get back to signing players who have the physical attributes and experience of performing at this level, park the experiments and signings with a view to the long term and get a decent core of players that can add value at the start of the new season.

[Since452]

This is a good thing. I was hoping he would be better than he is but being able to cut our losses on this is a real boost. It allows the new manager some freedom within our budget to bring players in.


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Absolutely. He's come in and clearly, for whatever reason not performed to an extent that he's behind James Scott in the pecking order. Hopefully a few more follow him out the door and the new manager has some funds to play with.

[Col2]

Not that bothered he is leaving. Wish him well but he didn’t make any impact.

I wonder if our CEO still rates our recent transfer business as a 7/10👀

We have sacked two managers in 4 months yet our Head of Recruitment remains front and centre of the most crucial area of the club outside the manager. “Thanks dad”

[Colr]

He’s not a Floridian though, he’s from further north where winters are worse than ours. I think he’s probably had a reality check here and then Chicago Fire are from his own neck of the woods.

But it’s all speculation at the moment. Did he train today?

Cold winters in Chicago. Hot summers as well.

[Mikey_1875]

Only silly if even a fraction of what you’ve said is true. Which really makes you look a bit silly hypothesising over something you have no knowledge on

The last sentence is a large majority of what the forum is. There was a lot of hype from the club and player about his arrival and its been a disappointment since.

I don’t think the club without a manager would be forcing him back to the US. Based on his own words about his determination etc I would have expected him to give it a better go than 4 months. Not that his performances within that time filled me with much hope.

[Billy Whizz]

Absolutely. He's come in and clearly, for whatever reason not performed to an extent that he's behind James Scott in the pecking order. Hopefully a few more follow him out the door and the new manager has some funds to play with.

The owner and Co follow him out the door, as well as our BOD, all Ron’s people. Useless the lot of them
They are setting the agenda

[Leith Green]

One of many players who I really couldn’t give a toss if he ever plays again. We need a a complete clear out this summer , some recently signed and some who have been here way too long .. porteous, doig , cadden , clarke , stevenson , Henderson aside

[JamesHFC]

Your fault then? 😂

Pretty much. I only spoke to him the once, wished him good luck for a game and he replied “thank you sir”. If his footballing ability was on par with his manners he would be a superstar.

[Percy Vere]

Id imagine that the fact he is away back to the MLS is that he is homesick, hasnt settled etc. Better to let him go rather than keep him. Sometimes you take a chance on a player and it doesnt work out.....no club in the world has a 100% success rate.

Fair enough, but why no fee?

[Jim44]

Unfortunately, Mueller is no loss to Hibs and I’m sure that Hibs are no loss to Mueller. It didn’t work and I’m sure he’ll be happier back in sunny Florida. I’ve got a feeling that a lot of players will be looking for an exit from ER soon, which works both ways, as the new guy will have a fairly blank canvas to work with.

[CB Hibs 68]

Didn’t get the hype about Mueller as on the odd occasions we saw him he didn’t look anything special.His return to the USA is probably the best for all concerned as it gets him off our wage bill.This however is just the most recent example of the inept manner in which Ron and his laddie conduct recruitment.Ron reckons we are strengthening the squad with recent signings .He is deluded and god only knows what there plans for the future are.Guess we have to keep our fingers crossed because I genuinely don’t think they have clue.

[SlickShoes]

Unfortunately, Mueller is no loss to Hibs and I’m sure that Hibs are no loss to Mueller. It didn’t work and I’m sure he’ll be happier back in sunny Florida. I’ve got a feeling that a lot of players will be looking for an exit from ER soon, which works both ways, as the new guy will have a fairly blank canvas to work with.

He’s not going to Florida

[Scotty Leither]

According to some that’ll be £10k a week that can be better spent🤔🙄 Another experiment that hasn’t worked out but I’d rather the club, like what they’ve done with Maloney, act now rather than him waste a wage for the next few years. Can we get back to signing players who have the physical attributes and experience of performing at this level, park the experiments and signings with a view to the long term and get a decent core of players that can add value at the start of the new season.

Some of us on here who have forgot more about Hibs and Scottish football than our Head of Recruitment will ever know, have been suggesting that we sign the kind of player you've described above, but what we do know, eh?

[Gordy M]

Fair enough, but why no fee?

Not sure, is that def confirmed? Maybe the guy wants to return to Chicago, and Hibs think that getting him off the wage bill is decent enough......im not sure.

[DH1875]

Shouldn't this have been a decision for our next manager?

Our manager doesn't pick and choose our transfers, in or out. That's why talk of the likes of Keane make no sense.

[Jim44]

He’s not going to Florida

Whatever.