Mueller

[Percy Vere]

One of many players who I really couldn’t give a toss if he ever plays again. We need a a complete clear out this summer , some recently signed and some who have been here way too long .. porteous, doig , cadden , clarke , stevenson , Henderson aside

Definitely the squad needs a right good shake.
Looking at the goals and assists stats earlier, doesn’t make for pretty reading. Especially the midfield. This squad have grossly underperformed this season.
I’m baffled about Mueller and why we are getting no fee for a player in contract.

[JimBHibees]

Id imagine that the fact he is away back to the MLS is that he is homesick, hasnt settled etc. Better to let him go rather than keep him. Sometimes you take a chance on a player and it doesnt work out.....no club in the world has a 100% success rate.

Sounds like it. Sad it hasn't worked out

[Ringothedog]

The owner and Co follow him out the door, as well as our BOD, all Ron’s people. Useless the lot of them
They are setting the agenda

To be replaced by who?

[greenlex]

Keane can’t fancy him.

[LewysGot2]

Keane can’t fancy him.

He won't do owls. Definitely won't do owls...

[Heisenberg]

To be replaced by who?

Exactly. There isn’t a queue of folk lining up to pay millions for the club. RG needs to get his act together though. Ian Gordon has absolutely no place being in the job that he’s in for a start. Get a proper director of football in place and let his son make the coffees. Ben Kensell also seems to have a rather large input to the footballing side for someone with little experience in that area.

[HoboHarry]

Where is this news coming from? Apologies, been working and didn't know.....

[Leith Green]

Definitely the squad needs a right good shake.
Looking at the goals and assists stats earlier, doesn’t make for pretty reading. Especially the midfield. This squad have grossly underperformed this season.
I’m baffled about Mueller and why we are getting no fee for a player in contract.

That fact we aren’t getting a fee speaks volumes for his contribution since he joined. We are desperately needing to move at least ten players on . Thats how poor our squad actually is

[Bishop Hibee]

One dud gone. 10K a week would get you Charles Cook.

[Ozyhibby]

Definitely the squad needs a right good shake.
Looking at the goals and assists stats earlier, doesn’t make for pretty reading. Especially the midfield. This squad have grossly underperformed this season.
I’m baffled about Mueller and why we are getting no fee for a player in contract.

Because nobody would pay a fee for such a poor player? Just be happy he’s away.
There must be about a hundred posts on here the last few weeks saying we need a clear out and Muellers name is always on the list, so it’s weird so many are upset about this.


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[LewysGot2]

One dud gone. 10K a week would get you Charles Cook.

That's as likely as 150000 getting Leigh Griffiths

Both bits :greengrin

[Jim44]

The owner and Co follow him out the door, as well as our BOD, all Ron’s people. Useless the lot of them
They are setting the agenda

:agree: We are a total mess, top to bottom. Fortunately, the only way is up.

[Leith Green]

We need to completely rebuild our midfield and forward line.. new defenders required as well

[Bostonhibby]

He won't do owls. Definitely won't do owls...Honey Badgers?[emoji16]

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[Ozyhibby]

That's as likely as 150000 getting Leigh Griffiths

Both bits :greengrin

It would get you him now.[emoji6][emoji23]
Ozyhibby jnr went to watch Falkirk last weekend and he said Griffith was a complete shambles.


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[itslegaltender]

I follow MLS as I get to watch Atlanta Utd often through business trips. Chicago Fire are 2nd bottom of their league, below Inter Miami who are awful. Mueller is typical of the type of player in that league. I dont believe the football is any better that the SPL.

[SlickShoes]

We need to completely rebuild our midfield and forward line.. new defenders required as well

So a whole team is what you are saying, just wording it differently.

[LewysGot2]

Where is this news coming from? Apologies, been working and didn't know.....

Sports journalist in US saying he's off to Chicago Fire and could play for them as early as this weekend. He's from Chicago so it could well be a sensible option for him

[Bronson]

Folk expecting a fee for this guffy must have never seen him play.

Hibs have done well to get him off the wage bill at all if he’s on anything close to the rumoured £10k a week

[LewysGot2]

It would get you him now.[emoji6][emoji23]
Ozyhibby jnr went to watch Falkirk last weekend and he said Griffith was a complete shambles.


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It would be too much now :wink:

[DH1875]

Where is this news coming from? Apologies, been working and didn't know.....

Would something like this be reported in American sports news?

[Chorley Hibee]

:agree: We are a total mess, top to bottom. Fortunately, the only way is up.

I wouldn't be so sure, we're in big trouble next season based upon what is currently going on at ER.

I have no faith in our current custodians to turn this around over the summer either.

[GreenCastle]

I follow MLS as I get to watch Atlanta Utd often through business trips. Chicago Fire are 2nd bottom of their league, below Inter Miami who are awful. Mueller is typical of the type of player in that league. I dont believe the football is any better that the SPL.

MLS is 100% better standard than the Scottish top league.

Ok rangers and Celtic would be competitive but not convinced hibs and others would be up near the top.

[GreenCastle]

Would something like this be reported in American sports news?

It’s on the official MLS website / transfer tracker.

It’s happening and paperwork agreed.

[GreenCastle]

:agree: We are a total mess, top to bottom. Fortunately, the only way is up.

I was thinking today how bad can things actually get.

We haven’t been relegated / we can’t be relegated but it feels really crap right now with the owners / staff / lack of manager / crap players and general rubbish football we have seen over the past year.

[Mainstandman]

I’ve been to an Orlando game about four years ago. I’d say the pace of the games are much slower and there wasn’t much hard tackling

[Callum_62]

It’s on the official MLS website / transfer tracker.

It’s happening and paperwork agreed.Isn't that just a rehash of the only report that's out there?

The website makes it sound official but its just a 'daily record understands'

https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/chicago-fire-nearing-mls-return-for-chris-mueller-after-hibs-stay

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[Sir David Gray]

It’s on the official MLS website / transfer tracker.

It’s happening and paperwork agreed.

https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/chicago-fire-nearing-mls-return-for-chris-mueller-after-hibs-stay

[The Captain....]

If true I'll be pretty happy he is on his way. I don't think he had one stand out attribute other than being able to talk ***** on twitter.

Get rid and hopefully he is one of many who will be leaving the club.

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[Chorley Hibee]

MLS is 100% better standard than the Scottish top league.

Ok rangers and Celtic would be competitive but not convinced hibs and others would be up near the top.

Based upon how Mueller and the likes of Gauld and Hyndman played whilst here, and how they're performing in America, I find that hard to believe.

Of course the high paid, imported greats, on a final pay day, will be a higher standard, but outside of them I see nothing that suggests it's a higher standard than here.

[bigwheel]

Based upon how Mueller and the likes of Gauld and Hyndman played whilst here, and how they're performing in America, I find that hard to believe.

Of course the high paid, imported greats, on a final pay day, will be a higher standard, but outside of them I see nothing that suggests it's a higher standard than here.

Gauld was coming on to a game as he got match fit then he got injured - after that JR didn’t seem
To fancy him and hardly gave him any game time . A lost opportunity that imo….

[hibee1875]

Hope this is true just so I can stop seeing “rumoured 10k a week”

[Ronniekirk]

I'd genuinely rather play his owl up front.

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[ekhibee]

Chris Mueller seemed a nice bloke and who knows, maybe given time he might have made it here, we'll never know. Good luck to him anyway, he seemed really enthusiastic about joining Hibs but it just didn't work out for whatever reason. Plenty of people on here were happy to slag off Henderson as well until recently, now it looks he's like one of the few players these people think should stay.

[Scotty Leither]

I watched him chicken out a challenge last week in the St Mirren game, and one of the Hibs defenders bollocked him for not chasing the ball down and he looked a bit nonplussed at being shouted at.

He'll not be the first player to come to the SPL and be caught out by and underestimate the extremely physical nature of our football, and it seems our much vaunted recruitment team don't have much of a handle on it either.

[GRA]

Didn't work out for whatever reason. Should have spent less time posting philosophical nonsense. Looked good technically in brief spells but nowhere near the impact needed.

[Callum_62]

Didn't work out for whatever reason. Should have spent less time posting philosophical nonsense. Looked good technically in brief spells but nowhere near the impact needed.Id highly doubt him posting philosophical 'nonense' had any impact of his job as a footballer

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[GreenCastle]

Based upon how Mueller and the likes of Gauld and Hyndman played whilst here, and how they're performing in America, I find that hard to believe.

Of course the high paid, imported greats, on a final pay day, will be a higher standard, but outside of them I see nothing that suggests it's a higher standard than here.

Do you watch the league?

I’ve followed it for quite some time and with all the new stadiums, fan culture and player / team improvements it’s definitely a higher level.

Ok the league has its flaws - refs are awful and no relegation etc but the highly paid players bring others along and having watched Mueller before he came to Hibs he was ok but surrounded by better players. I wasn’t convinced he was what we needed so not surprised he’s going back so soon.

Certain players suit certain leagues and Scottish league is still very physical - MLS has a lot of good athletes but it seems in Scotland you still can get found out if not quick on the ball.

[Pretty Boy]

Has anyone made the coaching role joke on Twitter yet?

That's when I consider these things official.

[Hibbyradge]

What a disaster. A shame as I really thought there was something in him after his first couple of sun appearances.

Homesick? Can’t play on grass? Doesn’t like the physical side of the game? Can’t adapt to the pace of the game?

Who knows, but what a **** show after they way he was hyped up.

He was only hyped up on here.

[Coco Bryce]

Has anyone made the coaching role joke on Twitter yet?

That's when I consider these things official.

They are the just the best eh 😂😂

[JimBHibees]

Id highly doubt him posting philosophical 'nonense' had any impact of his job as a footballer

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Indeed

[IberianHibernian]

Players move from club to club all the time . If he`s leaving us it`s a pity it didn`t work out ( and we`re all speculating without knowing the reasons ) but hardly an unusual event in modern football . Maybe time to look for positives . Congratulate club for looking further afield for new signing even if it didn`t work out and hope we have more cash to sign someone else .

[JimBHibees]

Players move from club to club all the time . If he`s leaving us it`s a pity it didn`t work out ( and we`re all speculating without knowing the reasons ) but hardly an unusual event in modern football . Maybe time to look for positives . Congratulate club for looking further afield for new signing even if it didn`t work out and hope we have more cash to sign someone else .

Yep tried another market didn't work it happens.

[The Spaceman]

Likely a good player there who might be outstanding in a different set up. Would be sorry to see him go after half a season…!

[Edinburgh Green]

He was only hyped up on here.

There was a lot of hype coming from across the pond. When it was announced he’d signed for someone on a pre contract, most American fans and journos were stunned that it was us that signed him, giving it the ‘enjoy him while you can’ ‘far too good for that league’ etc

[Slim Shady]

Money freed up to bring Boyler home in the summer to be reunited with his pregnant wifey. 😉

[SHODAN]

What a ****ing disaster.

[cabbageandribs1875]

good luck to the boy

[mcfly]

I wouldn't be so sure, we're in big trouble next season based upon what is currently going on at ER.

I have no faith in our current custodians to turn this around over the summer either.

I don’t think your alone.

Fans were very loyal with 12k season tickets sold during covid - prob not many took ticket refunds either.

Many won’t renew based on this seasons utter shambles - 2 managers sacked, new signing leaving after 4 months.

It’s grim

[aberhibsfc]

Based upon how Mueller and the likes of Gauld and Hyndman played whilst here, and how they're performing in America, I find that hard to believe.

Of course the high paid, imported greats, on a final pay day, will be a higher standard, but outside of them I see nothing that suggests it's a higher standard than here.

:top marks

[TelaStella]

And so we have the banter years chapter two.


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[LunasBoots]

Being run like some kind of comedian wind up.

[sunshinejim]

good luck to the boy

Definitely!

I'm shocked. Surmised that he'd get a pre season under his belt and improve vastly. The few times I saw him I thought he looked up for it in a team shot of confidence that must have been told to pass backwards constantly by Maloney for possession sake. If he has left I hope he does well elsewhere. The new manager has a heck of a job on his hands whoever it is. Interesting times. We renewed ST's today, was never in doubt, its what supporters who have the means to do so, do! HIbees Forever.

[California-Hibs]

Do you watch the league?

I’ve followed it for quite some time and with all the new stadiums, fan culture and player / team improvements it’s definitely a higher level.

Ok the league has its flaws - refs are awful and no relegation etc but the highly paid players bring others along and having watched Mueller before he came to Hibs he was ok but surrounded by better players. I wasn’t convinced he was what we needed so not surprised he’s going back so soon.

Certain players suit certain leagues and Scottish league is still very physical - MLS has a lot of good athletes but it seems in Scotland you still can get found out if not quick on the ball.

Disagree completely. Lived in California for 10 years now and watched MLS alot. Have a position doing Statistical Reporting on the San Jose Earthquakes so I've seen plenty of the league and there's absolutely no way its a higher standard than the Scottish Premiership. A few MLS teams would be competitive to a degree but the majority would struggle. The SPL isn't streets ahead but its definitely ahead in overall quality and strength of team.

Having athletes and pretty stadiums counts for nothing when the quality and standard attributes generally aren't there.

The biggest thing that holds the MLS back and all football in the States is the fan and club structure! No promotion and relegation shines through in a lack of fight and front foot from teams. The culture is more fan entertainment based (not completely a bad thing) than a push for a high on field standard.

Every week I see absolute terrible pieces of play, particularly from keepers, oh God don't get me started on the keepers over here! I think a huge enabling aspect of the standards is the happy clappy merry-go fan culture. Theres a place for it of course but at the same time when continous things happen, mistakes, bad results etc a bit of venting and shouting from the stands I believe at times (within reason of course) can and does inact a positive response and up turn in play, results etc.

You will NEVER see this kind of pressure and type of fan from the stands in American, and I definitely think it massively plays into the whole relaxed culture/poorer standard.

Chris Mueller failing at Hibs doesn't surprise me in the slightest. He'll go back to the MLS and just look out for the YouTube highlights a few months from now making him look like the superstar fans thought was coming.

You get far more time on the ball, and much less physically in being tackled. He's a really good MLS player up against the likes that he plays against. Has been found out big time in Scotland. I really wanted it to work and him to actually adapt and prove to me that he's one of the few that could actually make it in the SPFL...

[stuart-farquhar]

I follow MLS as I get to watch Atlanta Utd often through business trips. Chicago Fire are 2nd bottom of their league, below Inter Miami who are awful. Mueller is typical of the type of player in that league. I dont believe the football is any better that the SPL.

I agree. Watched many games. Atlanta stadium however, wow!

[Purehibee_MYB]

Disagree completely. Lived in California for 10 years now and watched MLS alot. Have a position doing Statistical Reporting on the San Jose Earthquakes so I've seen plenty of the league and there's absolutely no way its a higher standard than the Scottish Premiership. A few MLS teams would be competitive to a degree but the majority would struggle. The SPL isn't streets ahead but its definitely ahead in overall quality and strength of team.

Having athletes and pretty stadiums counts for nothing when the quality and standard attributes generally aren't there.

The biggest thing that holds the MLS back and all football in the States is the fan and club structure! No promotion and relegation shines through in a lack of fight and front foot from teams. The culture is more fan entertainment based (not completely a bad thing) than a push for a high on field standard.

Every week I see absolute terrible pieces of play, particularly from keepers, oh God don't get me started on the keepers over here! I think a huge enabling aspect of the standards is the happy clappy merry-go fan culture. Theres a place for it of course but at the same time when continous things happen, mistakes, bad results etc a bit of venting and shouting from the stands I believe at times (within reason of course) can and does inact a positive response and up turn in play, results etc.

You will NEVER see this kind of pressure and type of fan from the stands in American, and I definitely think it massively plays into the whole relaxed culture/poorer standard.

Living in Vancouver and having been to plenty Whitecaps games over the past few years I whole heartedly agree with this. The pressure and culture around the game is completely different and holds them back over there. I went to a dire 0-0 between Vancouver Whitecaps and LA Galaxy. It was a Saturday night so you'd expect a good atmosphere to start but folk just chit chat and have a beer while the game goes on. Nobody cared that the Whitecaps hadn't even had a shot on target

I can only really judge by the quality of Vancouver Whitecaps but the standard of coaching is miles off Scotland for a start. There are some strong athletes but the quality really isn't there which is why Gauld has stood out so much since joining. One of the best technical players they've had for a long time.

Anyway, long story short, there might be teams in that league that would give us a doing but for the most part the quality and physicality really isn't there.

[Is It On....]

Folk expecting a fee for this guffy must have never seen him play.

Hibs have done well to get him off the wage bill at all if he’s on anything close to the rumoured £10k a week

We should NEVER be paying someone a a salary of £520k per annum. Our annual turnover is about £10m so spending 5% of that on the wages for 1 player is, in my opinion, insane. I would be stunned and extremely concerned if that is what we are paying him.

[green day]

We should NEVER be paying someone a a salary of £520k per annum. Our annual turnover is about £10m so spending 5% of that on the wages for 1 player is, in my opinion, insane. I would be stunned and extremely concerned if that is what we are paying him.
He was on circa £1500 a week in the USA (they publish salary details), no chance those rumours are true.

[Baader]

Looking like we have basket case owners, unfortunately.

[Callum_62]

Looking like we have basket case owners, unfortunately.I have no idea how you get that from Mueller wanting back to the mls?

If anything, trying different markets should be encouraged

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[Baader]

I have no idea how you get that from Mueller wanting back to the mls?

If anything, trying different markets should be encouraged

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Perhaps because he should not have been signed in the first place? Let alone signed on a 4 year contract. And he is being let go when we don't have a manager. That's why.

Other markets only works if you sign correctly. Anyone can sign dross worldwide.

[Callum_62]

Perhaps because he should not have been signed in the first place? Let alone signed on a 4 year contract. And he is being let go when we don't have a manager. That's why.

Other markets only works if you sign correctly. Anyone can sign dross worldwide.I still don't know how you get 'basket case owners' from that

If Mueller wants to leave Scotland and head back home, manager or not that's what will happen

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[MrSmith]

What a ****ing disaster.

Yep but I’m not surprised. Thought he wouldn’t make it in the SPL, still sad though.

[The Harp Awakes]

Disagree completely. Lived in California for 10 years now and watched MLS alot. Have a position doing Statistical Reporting on the San Jose Earthquakes so I've seen plenty of the league and there's absolutely no way its a higher standard than the Scottish Premiership. A few MLS teams would be competitive to a degree but the majority would struggle. The SPL isn't streets ahead but its definitely ahead in overall quality and strength of team.

Having athletes and pretty stadiums counts for nothing when the quality and standard attributes generally aren't there.

The biggest thing that holds the MLS back and all football in the States is the fan and club structure! No promotion and relegation shines through in a lack of fight and front foot from teams. The culture is more fan entertainment based (not completely a bad thing) than a push for a high on field standard.

Every week I see absolute terrible pieces of play, particularly from keepers, oh God don't get me started on the keepers over here! I think a huge enabling aspect of the standards is the happy clappy merry-go fan culture. Theres a place for it of course but at the same time when continous things happen, mistakes, bad results etc a bit of venting and shouting from the stands I believe at times (within reason of course) can and does inact a positive response and up turn in play, results etc.

You will NEVER see this kind of pressure and type of fan from the stands in American, and I definitely think it massively plays into the whole relaxed culture/poorer standard.

Chris Mueller failing at Hibs doesn't surprise me in the slightest. He'll go back to the MLS and just look out for the YouTube highlights a few months from now making him look like the superstar fans thought was coming.

You get far more time on the ball, and much less physically in being tackled. He's a really good MLS player up against the likes that he plays against. Has been found out big time in Scotland. I really wanted it to work and him to actually adapt and prove to me that he's one of the few that could actually make it in the SPFL...

Interesting. The bit in bold is not a surprise and pretty much mirrors Ron Gordon's time at the club - the focus has been on entertainment, match day experience, singers, TV screens etc. That's all very well, but the bottom line for Scottish football fans is winning and the quality of football on show.

If he doesn't believe that, he's going to be taught a very tough lesson with ST sales.

[Baader]

I still don't know how you get 'basket case owners' from that

If Mueller wants to leave Scotland and head back home, manager or not that's what will happen

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Do you think this looks like a good example of how to run a football club? And a business?

If you were an available manager would this give off a good vibe about the club?

[Callum_62]

Do you think this looks like a good example of how to run a football club? And a business?

If you were an available manager would this give off a good vibe about the club?The fact a player moved countries, didn't like it and then wanted back home?

I don't think it would make a jot of difference to the new manager

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[ClermistonGreen]

Hope Boyler feels the same !
:aok:

[1875Sean]

Hope Boyler feels the same !
:aok:

Difference is Boyler seems to be performing out there, I’m glad we have moved mueller on

[Baader]

The fact a player moved countries, didn't like it and then wanted back home?

I don't think it would make a jot of difference to the new manager

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The fact he was not signed by the then manager? Or the recruitment team? The fact he was given a 4 year deal?

Then let go when we have no manager? Where is it reported it's due to being homesick, as you suggest?

I beg to differ it won't make a jot to anyone potentially considering the position. Either way, it does not exactly instill much confidence in the owners or direction of the club. It's bad business.

[cameronw-hfc]

Anyone considered it could be due to personal reasons?

[Maguire]

I have no idea how you get that from Mueller wanting back to the mls?

If anything, trying different markets should be encouraged

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Think you may be living in denial if you believe our owners aren't coming across a bit of a basketcase, i'm bloody worried about our club right now that's for sure!!

We're possibly letting a highly rated player we gave a big contract to leave within 6 months of his contract and we don't even have a manager...Who's making the decisions?

[HoboHarry]

Anyone considered it could be due to personal reasons?

For some that won't fit the favored narrative of bitching and complaining about everything Hibs.

[tonyrougier123]

For some that won't fit the favored narrative of bitching and complaining about everything Hibs.

Maybe the club should consider that when signing players if it is the case,don’t you think?
If it is personal reasons which it may be,for a laddie who speaks openly about motivation and has written a book on the subject of it called “ bet on yourself”with the tag line “how to build unshakable confidence,tune out of the noise and rise to the occasion” and has spoke at length in acheiveing goals over seas in the game,he has jacked all of that in exponentially quick time.

Good luck to the lad anyway,he may or may not have kicked on at hibs.

But the marquee signing of last summers window checked out very early and either way the signing was a bad one.

[Hibs90]

He was never, and I’m getting tired of repeating this, on anywhere near the stupid salaries being mentioned

[Slim Shady]

He was never, and I’m getting tired of repeating this, on anywhere near the stupid salaries being mentioned

And you know this how?
The agent involved in bringing him over is the one confirming the wage.

[Hibs90]

And you know this how?
The agent involved in bringing him over is the one confirming the wage.

I’m getting tired of repeating myself.


Link me to where the agent has said this please.

[bigwheel]

He was never, and I’m getting tired of repeating this, on anywhere near the stupid salaries being mentioned

is this just you are assuming it is so ridiculous it can’t be happening? There has been a consistent set of rumours from agents, people in football and from those connected with the club he is on circa 10k a week…so much so that it is hard to ignore it as just exaggerated rumours.


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[Dmas]

I’m getting tired of repeating myself.


Link me to where the agent has said this please.

You can’t win, facts don’t matter it’s all part of the Gordon’s plan to conquer the world

The amount of hibs supporters willing to turn on the club for anything and everything after a bad run of form is incredible, no details have been given on a reason for muellar leaving and not a single soul in this country has ever heard of the guy tweeting but all are willing to lay into the club on this straight off the bat.

[MWHIBBIES]

Just red flag after red flag when it comes to Ron and Ian Gordon.

[Since452]

What a ****ing disaster.

Is it though? It's not as if the guy has been the one chink of light in a terrible season. He's been pretty anonymous. If he'd left a month ago nobody would have noticed. Signed on a free left on a free.

[JammyDoidger]

Just red flag after red flag when it comes to Ron and Ian Gordon.

This. We need proper football people in. These boys are clueless man.

[HH81]

If this story is true the club need to state the reasons why we are essentially allowing him to leave on a free.

I'd probably guess at personal reasons and if so that's fair enough but if it's because we believe it's just not worked out then we should state it.

[Slim Shady]

I’m getting tired of repeating myself.


Link me to where the agent has said this please.

There is no link. It was a face to face conversation.

[JimBHibees]

For some that won't fit the favored narrative of bitching and complaining about everything Hibs.

Absolutely no doubt personal situation or being homesick or maybe a little hacked at people speculating he was on 10k a week especially the impact it may have had in a dressing room situation

[Hibs90]

is this just you are assuming it is so ridiculous it can’t be happening? There has been a consistent set of rumours from agents, people in football and from those connected with the club he is on circa 10k a week…so much so that it is hard to ignore it as just exaggerated rumours.


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Read the thread. Hibs denied it in the press in January.


https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/how-gordon-and-kensell-have-taken-hibs-to-the-next-level-3525341

[Hibs90]

There is no link. It was a face to face conversation.

So a load of ***** then.

[18Craig75]

The worst thing about this episode is that him coming in on the wage he did basically unsettled Nisbet for sure and probably others in the squad.

Wtf is going on.

[OldEast]

Is it though? It's not as if the guy has been the one chink of light in a terrible season. He's been pretty anonymous. If he'd left a month ago nobody would have noticed. Signed on a free left on a free.

This. No great loss to be honest but I'd like to know why and by whom he was seen as a good signing.

[Since452]

The worst thing about this episode is that him coming in on the wage he did basically unsettled Nisbet for sure and probably others in the squad.

Wtf is going on.

What wage did he come in on?

[green day]

The worst thing about this episode is that him coming in on the wage he did basically unsettled Nisbet for sure and probably others in the squad.

Wtf is going on.

Like I said last night, he was on about £1500 a week in the USA (as published by the MLS).

I wouldnt be surprised to see him get an increase to move continent, but it would not be anywhere even close to the numbers mentioned.

This has been discussed and debunked on many occasions.

[hibee1875]

The worst thing about this episode is that him coming in on the wage he did basically unsettled Nisbet for sure and probably others in the squad.

Wtf is going on.

Worst thing about fans forums. Folk just make absolute ***** up to suit their own agenda

[JimBHibees]

Like I said last night, he was on about £1500 a week in the USA (as published by the MLS).

I wouldnt be surprised to see him get an increase to move continent, but it would not be anywhere even close to the numbers mentioned.

This has been discussed and debunked on many occasions.

Yet it appears to be now seen as a fact despite being debunked by the club no wonder Chris appears to be heading home.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

We are not the only club to have made a bells and whistles signing, who didn't pay off.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

This. We need proper football people in. These boys are clueless man.

The same boys that had Hibs in 3rd and two cup finals last year?

[Heisenberg]

The same boys that had Hibs in 3rd and two cup finals last year?

I think it’s a fair point. RG was in charge and appointed Jack Ross too. I think he deserves the chance to try again after failing with Maloney. His son and Ben Kensell also need to start proving their worth.

[JimBHibees]

I think it’s a fair point. RG was in charge and appointed Jack Ross too. I think he deserves the chance to try again after failing with Maloney. His son and Ben Kensell also need to start proving their worth.

Agree with this. When approx did both Ben and Ian join the club?

[Steve20]

The same boys that had Hibs in 3rd and two cup finals last year?

Again, looking back and claiming two LOSING cup finals is some sort of achievement is strange. 3rd place fair enough, but losing two cup finals is not an achievement. This is the mentality that needs stamped out. It's ok to not win anything, as long as you get to Hampden? Nope.

I think Ron Gordon thinking January recruitment was good is a very worrying sign for the future. It was a shambles and, with the exception of Clarke and potential in Melkerson, none of them are that good and I include Jasper and Mitchell in that.

[Jones28]

Again, looking back and claiming two LOSING cup finals is some sort of achievement is strange. 3rd place fair enough, but losing two cup finals is not an achievement. This is the mentality that needs stamped out. It's ok to not win anything, as long as you get to Hampden? Nope.

I think Ron Gordon thinking January recruitment was good is a very worrying sign for the future. It was a shambles and with the exception of Clarke and potential in Melkerson, none of them are that good and I include Jasper and Mitchell in that.

So we’d be as well going out in the first round then? You better let the club know.

[Northernhibee]

On the plus side, at least we’re getting a transfer fee of 500k Hib$ Fan Tokens for him, he’s not going for nowt.

[The dalmeny]

What wage did he come in on?


This stuff rips ma knitting, suspect no ****** nows what he's on, more media guff

[Unseen work]

Again, looking back and claiming two LOSING cup finals is some sort of achievement is strange. 3rd place fair enough, but losing two cup finals is not an achievement. This is the mentality that needs stamped out. It's ok to not win anything, as long as you get to Hampden? Nope.

I think Ron Gordon thinking January recruitment was good is a very worrying sign for the future. It was a shambles and, with the exception of Clarke and potential in Melkerson, none of them are that good and I include Jasper and Mitchell in that.

I actually think the January window was good when you look at the players who came in individually, as a collective though it’s too many similar players age wise if that makes sense.

Jasper, Melkersen, Henderson and Clarke are all decent signings imo and ones that could go on to do very well.

Mitchell is a bit more experienced and has shown his worth with goal contributions, pace and direct running in his limited appearances before injury.

Rocky imo was never brought in to play as much and as quickly but circumstances dictated with McGinn and Hanlon being injured then Porteous suspended. Despite that he’s done not bad.

We undoubtedly need more experience and quality in the starting 11 and that probably should have been addressed more in January but they probably weren’t expecting the injuries to Doidge, Nisbet and Magennis again.

January is a hard window to do business in though.

[Callum_62]

I wonder what Chicago fires top wage is?

Must be well over £10k per week as Mueller ain't giving that up easily

Edit - based on this Mueller must be giving up a massive wage


https://www.totalsportal.com/money/contacts/chicago-fire-players-salaries/amp/

Not sure the above list is wholly accurate as they have a couple of players on over 10k per week based on some other sites
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[Callum_62]

Again, looking back and claiming two LOSING cup finals is some sort of achievement is strange. 3rd place fair enough, but losing two cup finals is not an achievement. This is the mentality that needs stamped out. It's ok to not win anything, as long as you get to Hampden? Nope.

I think Ron Gordon thinking January recruitment was good is a very worrying sign for the future. It was a shambles and, with the exception of Clarke and potential in Melkerson, none of them are that good and I include Jasper and Mitchell in that.Getting to cup finals is an achievement

Ofcourse you need to take the next step and win some at somepoint but consistently putting yourself at hampden is an achievement

Disappointing to lose when you get there significantly better on every level than going out early doors

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[Sir David Gray]

Agree with this. When approx did both Ben and Ian join the club?

Ben Kensell joined in July 2021.

I don't think anyone can say for certain when Ian Gordon joined Hibs as his appointment has never been officially announced by the club to this day as far as I'm aware. Although I think his inclusion on the club directory was first spotted by people on here in October 2021.

[J-C]

I think it’s a fair point. RG was in charge and appointed Jack Ross too. I think he deserves the chance to try again after failing with Maloney. His son and Ben Kensell also need to start proving their worth.

Ross wasn't a Gordon appointment, Leeann had a lot of input in that one, Gordon had not long taken over and would have zero knowledge of managers etc, he'd have taken her advice.

[Slim Shady]

So a load of ***** then.

Haha - if you say it is then it must be. 😉

[green day]

I wonder what Chicago fires top wage is?

Must be well over £10k per week as Mueller ain't giving that up easily

Edit - based on this Mueller must be giving up a massive wage


https://www.totalsportal.com/money/contacts/chicago-fire-players-salaries/amp/

Not sure the above list is wholly accurate as they have a couple of players on over 10k per week based on some other sites
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Players Union publishes salary cap data. You can search for Mueller total compensation etc from before he left.

https://mlsplayers.org/resources/salary-guide

[Coco Bryce]

The worst thing about this episode is that him coming in on the wage he did basically unsettled Nisbet for sure and probably others in the squad.

Wtf is going on.

And Porteous :agree:

[Clarence]

Way to go guys. You said Chris sucked and now he’s gone back to Ohio to be with his buddies.

[Northernhibee]

Way to go guys. You said Chris sucked and now he’s gone back to Ohio to be with his buddies.

Not another player coming to or from St. Mirren.

[H18 SFR]

Fair play to the lad for uprooting and moving to another continent. I am sure he will be gutted that it has not worked out. Good luck to him hereon in.

[I'm Spartacus]

Just red flag after red flag when it comes to Ron and Ian Gordon.

Hard to disagree. On the playing front, what would the green flags be so far? I'm struggling :(

[Smartie]

Hard to disagree. On the playing front, what would the green flags be so far? I'm struggling :(

That we've just shifted a big wage for someone who has provided us with nowt?

The clearing of the decks might have just begun.

Maybe Mueller himself knew he wasn't going to cut it?

There's something to be said for cutting your losses.

We should be able to bring someone in who can provide more.

[Stonewall]

Again, looking back and claiming two LOSING cup finals is some sort of achievement is strange. 3rd place fair enough, but losing two cup finals is not an achievement. This is the mentality that needs stamped out. It's ok to not win anything, as long as you get to Hampden? Nope.

I think Ron Gordon thinking January recruitment was good is a very worrying sign for the future. It was a shambles and, with the exception of Clarke and potential in Melkerson, none of them are that good and I include Jasper and Mitchell in that.

Well I’d rather get to finals than not. Some of us have long enough memories to remember year upon year when even semi finals were rare.

I’m very concerned about the state of the club at the moment. I have little faith that we will make the correct management appointment but in football things can turn around quickly and I remain unaccountably optimistic and looking forward to next season already.

[Scotty Leither]

Interesting. The bit in bold is not a surprise and pretty much mirrors Ron Gordon's time at the club - the focus has been on entertainment, match day experience, singers, TV screens etc. That's all very well, but the bottom line for Scottish football fans is winning and the quality of football on show.

If he doesn't believe that, he's going to be taught a very tough lesson with ST sales.

The entertainment/razamatazz thing is a great point, and one that I think encapsulates Gordon's outlook. He said at his very first AGM that when we walk into ER for the first time next season (pre-pandemic restrictions obviously) we'll all be saying "Wow", how great the ground looks.

I've been to two major sporting "events" in the States; I was at a New England Patriots NFL game, and a Red Sox baseball game. The presentation/food choices were fantastic; the actual spectacle, not so much. For one thing I didn't understand the rules of baseball, and the NFL game was too stop-start for me.

My overall impression though was that there was a real lack of intensity in the stands, and it struck me that the actual result seemed secondary to the day out.

IF that's how he wants to position Hibs, then I fear it's not going to end well as the support will simply not wear it.

He either doesn't see nor want to see that most of us want to leave the ground at 5 o'clock saying "Wow - how great did the team play today?" (and not enthusing about how tasty the nachos were).

[Hannah_hfc]

I find it really odd that Mueller has been telling everyone who will listen about his dream to play in Europe and he gives it up almost immediately.

On paper he seemed like someone who would stick it out and have that determination to succeed. There must be something else going on or he has a lot weaker mentality than what comes across.


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[Jones28]

And Porteous :agree:

You know for certain that Porteous is unsettled?

[Sergio sledge]

And Porteous :agree:

Porteous and Nisbet were both offered new deals on improved terms this year and chose not to sign them. If they've become unsettled then its their own fault.

[SlickShoes]

I find it really odd that Mueller has been telling everyone who will listen about his dream to play in Europe and he gives it up almost immediately.

On paper he seemed like someone who would stick it out and have that determination to succeed. There must be something else going on or he has a lot weaker mentality than what comes across.


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Some people underestimate how hard it is to move to another country and completely change your life. I wouldn't call him weak for being homesick, that's an unnecessary dig.

[Brightside]

Porteous and Nisbet were both offered new deals on improved terms this year and chose not to sign them. If they've become unsettled then its their own fault.

Or they don’t like the way the club is being run.

[Smartie]

Or they don’t like the way the club is being run.

I'd certainly be surprised if either player has particularly enjoyed playing their football this season.

Neither player is exactly short of reasons to leave that contract unsigned.

[Sergio sledge]

I'd certainly be surprised if either player has particularly enjoyed playing their football this season.

Neither player is exactly short of reasons to leave that contract unsigned.

I don't disagree, but the original point was that Nisbet had been unsettled by the wages Mueller was getting, presumably because he wasn't getting as much. My point is that he had an opportunity to change that if that was his reason for being unsettled.

If there's other reasons that's a different point and not to do with the wages that Mueller is on.

[G15 Hibs]

Whatever happens, we'll always have the owl

[Coco Bryce]

Porteous and Nisbet were both offered new deals on improved terms this year and chose not to sign them. If they've become unsettled then its their own fault.

Absolute bollocks.

[Pretty Boy]

With regards Mueller's wages in the MLS does anyone know if they operate in a similar way to the NFL?

By that I mean a players 1st contract after being drafted is a rookie contract. It's usually, but not always, for a comparatively small amount. If they prove themselves then their next contract can, depending on the position they play, be huge. As an example the Kansas City Chiefs signed Patrick Mahomes to a rookie contract worth approx $16M over 4 years so $4M a year. After leading them to a Superbowl his next contract was for 10 years and $477M, so $47.7M a year!

Obviously the 1st of those sums is still astronomical compared to what a huge number of MLS players are earning. However if the MLS works in a similar way it does stand to reason that Mueller would have been looking for considerably more than $1500 a week exiting his 1st pro contract. Fwiw I don't believe he was earning £10K a week here, I don't believe he would have come here for $1500 a week either though.

[Mick O'Rourke]

With regards Mueller's wages in the MLS does anyone know if they operate in a similar way to the NFL?

By that I mean a players 1st contract after being drafted is a rookie contract. It's usually, but not always, for a comparatively small amount. If they prove themselves then their next contract can, depending on the position they play, be huge. As an example the Kansas City Chiefs signed Patrick Mahomes to a rookie contract worth approx $16M over 4 years so $4M a year. After leading them to a Superbowl his next contract was for 10 years and $477M, so $47.7M a year!

Obviously the 1st of those sums is still astronomical compared to what a huge number of MLS players are earning. However if the MLS works in a similar way it does stand to reason that Mueller would have been looking for considerably more than $1500 a week exiting his 1st pro contract. Fwiw I don't believe he was earning £10K a week here, I don't believe he would have come here for $1500 a week either though.

I have not scrolled the whole thread.
So do not know if this MLS site has been linked.
Wage/squad structure,etc., for anyone interested in USA Soccerball !!:greengrin

https://www.mlssoccer.com/about/roster-rules-and-regulations

[MWHIBBIES]

The same boys that had Hibs in 3rd and two cup finals last year?

Shows how good Jack Ross genuinely was.

[SHODAN]

Whatever happens, we'll always have the owl

You say that but the owl that lives in the wood near my village has gone silent over the past couple months.

[MrRobot]

there is absolutely no chance ill believe he was on anywhere near 10k a week at hibs

[superfurryhibby]

Absolute bollocks.

And you know this....how?

Makes perfect sense to me that they would have been offered improved terms. In Nisbet's case, it could well turn out to be a case of bird in the hand etc. Just shows how football, like life, is all about the timing.

[BSEJVT]

I have been a Hibs supporter for 60 years, the first 10 or so can be discounted as I was too young to understand.

I am at times very critical of the team and the club, but folk turning their noses up at Semi or Cup finals, regardless of results are from another planet.

Hibs history even related back to the halcyon years of the Famous Five and Tornadoes era's are littered with cup failures.

Getting to those latter stages is no mean achievement and if we are going to castigate the club for this we are as well shutting the doors now.

Folks expectations these days are so far divorced from reality it is unreal.

I was always a bit conflicted about Ross after the 3-1 league loss to them and the Semi defeat against them, but you cannot dismiss his achievements.

I always felt that his departure had as much to do with off-field tensions as it did with onfield results although it was a horrendous run we were on at the end.

Maloney was a disaster from the outset and reflects really bad on RG and his understanding of the game in Scotland.

I read threads wanting shot of virtually everyone, there's no doubt we need reinforcements and a few need to go but we are not in as bad a state as folk make out.

In the same way as a run of form can make someone look far better than they are when confidence is up, then the converse is true, loss of confidence can make good players look bad.

I dont think anyone can blame the players for being a bit shell shocked by this season and the failure to address defensive and forward issues acknowledged by all and the horrendous injury and suspension issues and the loss of Magennis in particular have magnified this.

IMO folk need to calm down, see what the close season brings and then we start afresh again

[BlackSheep]

I'd certainly be surprised if either player has particularly enjoyed playing their football this season.

Neither player is exactly short of reasons to leave that contract unsigned.

I'd have to point out that both have been to root of their own poor seasons this year (not talking about Kevin's injury).

Nisbet hasn't been on great form, surely that cannot be blamed on the club?

Porto could have had a much better season if he hadn't been suspended so often.... we missed him in some big games due to suspension.

If theyre unsettled it could be their own fault.....

[chookyembra]

Anyone sticking up for the current regime after yet another shambles isn’t a Hibs fan.
These guys are ripping the piss out of us and unless something very positive happens soon then I fear for our season ticket sales and for our great club next season, the gulf between the owners and the fans is widening all the time.

[BlackSheep]

I have been a Hibs supporter for 60 years, the first 10 or so can be discounted as I was too young to understand.

I am at times very critical of the team and the club, but folk turning their noses up at Semi or Cup finals, regardless of results are from another planet.

Hibs history even related back to the halcyon years of the Famous Five and Tornadoes era's are littered with cup failures.

Getting to those latter stages is no mean achievement and if we are going to castigate the club for this we are as well shutting the doors now.

Folks expectations these days are so far divorced from reality it is unreal.

I was always a bit conflicted about Ross after the 3-1 league loss to them and the Semi defeat against them, but you cannot dismiss his achievements.

I always felt that his departure had as much to do with off-field tensions as it did with onfield results although it was a horrendous run we were on at the end.

Maloney was a disaster from the outset and reflects really bad on RG and his understanding of the game in Scotland.

I read threads wanting shot of virtually everyone, there's no doubt we need reinforcements and a few need to go but we are not in as bad a state as folk make out.

In the same way as a run of form can make someone look far better than they are when confidence is up, then the converse is true, loss of confidence can make good players look bad.

I dont think anyone can blame the players for being a bit shell shocked by this season and the failure to address defensive and forward issues acknowledged by all and the horrendous injury and suspension issues and the loss of Magennis in particular have magnified this.

IMO folk need to calm down, see what the close season brings and then we start afresh again

One of the most well though out posts ive read on here lately.

[Callum_62]

One of the most well though out posts ive read on here lately.It is but he's obviosuly not a Hibs fan [emoji44][emoji57]

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[sleeping giant]

Anyone sticking up for the current regime after yet another shambles isn’t a Hibs fan.
These guys are ripping the piss out of us and unless something very positive happens soon then I fear for our season ticket sales and for our great club next season, the gulf between the owners and the fans is widening all the time.

This is a perfect example of utter nonsense.
Ffs.

[Sergio sledge]

Absolute bollocks.

So the reports of them both being offered new deals were rubbish then? Nisbet even came out in the press in September/October time saying he was close to signing a new deal.

My point was that the original post suggested Muellers wages were the single reason that Nisbet was unsettled, which if true is his own fault as he was offered a new deal which he didn't sign. If wages were the only issue he would have signed it.

There is definitely more to it than wages, so the riginal post is wrong that Muellers wages unsettled Nisbet.

You added Porteous to that, suggesting that he also was unsettled purely by Muellers wages. There were reports in the press that Porteous had been offered new terms so, if as you claim, wages were the only thing unsettling him, why didn't he sign the new deal on offer?

Reality is that Nisbet has been looking at his next move since he arrived here, as is his right, and was never likely to sign a new deal here given that he is wanting to move elsewhere. Also Porteous has reached the natural end of his time here and needs to move on out of Scotland for his own good, so he was never going to sign another deal this season. He wasn't unsettled by Muellers wages.

[degenerated]

This is a perfect example of utter nonsense.
Ffs.It's gone full HibAnon on here recently.

[HH81]

Suprised Hibs have not yet confirmed this?

[Smartie]

I have been a Hibs supporter for 60 years, the first 10 or so can be discounted as I was too young to understand.

I am at times very critical of the team and the club, but folk turning their noses up at Semi or Cup finals, regardless of results are from another planet.

Hibs history even related back to the halcyon years of the Famous Five and Tornadoes era's are littered with cup failures.

Getting to those latter stages is no mean achievement and if we are going to castigate the club for this we are as well shutting the doors now.

Folks expectations these days are so far divorced from reality it is unreal.

I was always a bit conflicted about Ross after the 3-1 league loss to them and the Semi defeat against them, but you cannot dismiss his achievements.

I always felt that his departure had as much to do with off-field tensions as it did with onfield results although it was a horrendous run we were on at the end.

Maloney was a disaster from the outset and reflects really bad on RG and his understanding of the game in Scotland.

I read threads wanting shot of virtually everyone, there's no doubt we need reinforcements and a few need to go but we are not in as bad a state as folk make out.

In the same way as a run of form can make someone look far better than they are when confidence is up, then the converse is true, loss of confidence can make good players look bad.

I dont think anyone can blame the players for being a bit shell shocked by this season and the failure to address defensive and forward issues acknowledged by all and the horrendous injury and suspension issues and the loss of Magennis in particular have magnified this.

IMO folk need to calm down, see what the close season brings and then we start afresh again

Great post.

My concern is how we've allowed a drama to become a crisis.

We started with a mistake last summer - counted on getting decent cash for either Porto, Doig or Nisbet to fund our transfer business. The transfer window last summer took a while to get going and we suddenly found ourselves scrambling late on for targets.

I'm not defending this - it was a shambles - but we've gone on to compound any mistakes that were made.

When you make a mistake, the best thing to do is to learn from it, recover and move on quickly. What Hibs have done here is to make a succession of mistakes following that initial one.

Did Mathie need to go? Did Jack Ross need to go? Was Maloney ever going to be the right appointment, but once he got the job did he not deserve a bit of time?

For me it comes down to a lack of leadership, from the very top.

I wasn't too impressed with Ron Gordon's "persevere" comments last week (I know most folk disagree). I'm a lot more "persevere" than I am "heads must roll" and I'd take a bit of convincing that the latter brings any more success than the former.

Hopefully there are some calm heads at Easter Road right now but I don't believe there will be. I have it on pretty good authority that most people in the building are aware of the trigger happy culture we now have and I'm far from convinced that it leads to people (anyone) performing at their best.

Maybe I'm just one of those people who tolerates mediocrity though?

[chookyembra]

This is a perfect example of utter nonsense.
Ffs.

And you are a perfect example of someone with their head buried in the sand and happy to watch our club become a laughing stock.

[Chorley Hibee]

Suprised Hibs have not yet confirmed this?

Probably too busy getting ready to announce our latest sponsorship deal with some crypto currency, virtual dog racing scam artist would be my guess.

[Smartie]

I'd have to point out that both have been to root of their own poor seasons this year (not talking about Kevin's injury).

Nisbet hasn't been on great form, surely that cannot be blamed on the club?

Porto could have had a much better season if he hadn't been suspended so often.... we missed him in some big games due to suspension.

If theyre unsettled it could be their own fault.....

I wouldn't disagree with this in the least.

It could be said that I'm one of Nisbet's biggest critics on here - but he wasn't helped by being the only fit striker at the club for long spells, and I'd take a bit of convincing that he will ever be able to play up front on his own. He might have done better with either a strike partner or a rest from playing every week but had to soldier on through some pretty heavy criticism and abject form.

All I mean is that neither player is short of reasons not to sign a new contract.

[brog]

I have been a Hibs supporter for 60 years, the first 10 or so can be discounted as I was too young to understand.

I am at times very critical of the team and the club, but folk turning their noses up at Semi or Cup finals, regardless of results are from another planet.

Hibs history even related back to the halcyon years of the Famous Five and Tornadoes era's are littered with cup failures.

Getting to those latter stages is no mean achievement and if we are going to castigate the club for this we are as well shutting the doors now.

Folks expectations these days are so far divorced from reality it is unreal.

I was always a bit conflicted about Ross after the 3-1 league loss to them and the Semi defeat against them, but you cannot dismiss his achievements.

I always felt that his departure had as much to do with off-field tensions as it did with onfield results although it was a horrendous run we were on at the end.

Maloney was a disaster from the outset and reflects really bad on RG and his understanding of the game in Scotland.

I read threads wanting shot of virtually everyone, there's no doubt we need reinforcements and a few need to go but we are not in as bad a state as folk make out.

In the same way as a run of form can make someone look far better than they are when confidence is up, then the converse is true, loss of confidence can make good players look bad.

I dont think anyone can blame the players for being a bit shell shocked by this season and the failure to address defensive and forward issues acknowledged by all and the horrendous injury and suspension issues and the loss of Magennis in particular have magnified this.

IMO folk need to calm down, see what the close season brings and then we start afresh again


Great post! As for Chris M, how many transfers end up being successful? Probably way under 50% or under 5% if you follow Hibs Net! 😁 I actually think the club should be applauded for the Chris M transfer. It hasn't worked out but it was innovative and we looked at a new market. No foul, no harm as they say in the US and we move on.

[Alex Trager]

https://twitter.com/p_mcpartlin/status/1521431949264445442?s=20&t=smY_Kystw-hwcRltdGHTmA

[BlackSheep]

Anyone sticking up for the current regime after yet another shambles isn’t a Hibs fan.
These guys are ripping the piss out of us and unless something very positive happens soon then I fear for our season ticket sales and for our great club next season, the gulf between the owners and the fans is widening all the time.

Wow.

I wonder what folk like this would be positing if we had been relegated....? or if we hadn't reached a semi and a final this year....?

[sleeping giant]

And you are a perfect example of someone with their head buried in the sand and happy to watch our club become a laughing stock.

Yeah man. You got me.

[Jones28]

I have been a Hibs supporter for 60 years, the first 10 or so can be discounted as I was too young to understand.

I am at times very critical of the team and the club, but folk turning their noses up at Semi or Cup finals, regardless of results are from another planet.

Hibs history even related back to the halcyon years of the Famous Five and Tornadoes era's are littered with cup failures.

Getting to those latter stages is no mean achievement and if we are going to castigate the club for this we are as well shutting the doors now.

Folks expectations these days are so far divorced from reality it is unreal.

I was always a bit conflicted about Ross after the 3-1 league loss to them and the Semi defeat against them, but you cannot dismiss his achievements.

I always felt that his departure had as much to do with off-field tensions as it did with onfield results although it was a horrendous run we were on at the end.

Maloney was a disaster from the outset and reflects really bad on RG and his understanding of the game in Scotland.

I read threads wanting shot of virtually everyone, there's no doubt we need reinforcements and a few need to go but we are not in as bad a state as folk make out.

In the same way as a run of form can make someone look far better than they are when confidence is up, then the converse is true, loss of confidence can make good players look bad.

I dont think anyone can blame the players for being a bit shell shocked by this season and the failure to address defensive and forward issues acknowledged by all and the horrendous injury and suspension issues and the loss of Magennis in particular have magnified this.

IMO folk need to calm down, see what the close season brings and then we start afresh again

Excellent post.

:aok:

[FRes Hibbie]

So the reports of them both being offered new deals were rubbish then? Nisbet even came out in the press in September/October time saying he was close to signing a new deal.

My point was that the original post suggested Muellers wages were the single reason that Nisbet was unsettled, which if true is his own fault as he was offered a new deal which he didn't sign. If wages were the only issue he would have signed it.

There is definitely more to it than wages, so the riginal post is wrong that Muellers wages unsettled Nisbet.

You added Porteous to that, suggesting that he also was unsettled purely by Muellers wages. There were reports in the press that Porteous had been offered new terms so, if as you claim, wages were the only thing unsettling him, why didn't he sign the new deal on offer?

Reality is that Nisbet has been looking at his next move since he arrived here, as is his right, and was never likely to sign a new deal here given that he is wanting to move elsewhere. Also Porteous has reached the natural end of his time here and needs to move on out of Scotland for his own good, so he was never going to sign another deal this season. He wasn't unsettled by Muellers wages.

What if the new, improved terms they were offered was nowhere near what they believed Mueller was on?

I don’t disagree with your assessment on either player to be honest but I don’t think you can completely dismiss the rumour just because they didn’t sign the contract extension offers.

We don’t know what they’re on now, we don’t know what the new offers were and we don’t know what Mueller was on.

[GreenCastle]

I have been a Hibs supporter for 60 years, the first 10 or so can be discounted as I was too young to understand.

I am at times very critical of the team and the club, but folk turning their noses up at Semi or Cup finals, regardless of results are from another planet.

Hibs history even related back to the halcyon years of the Famous Five and Tornadoes era's are littered with cup failures.

Getting to those latter stages is no mean achievement and if we are going to castigate the club for this we are as well shutting the doors now.

Folks expectations these days are so far divorced from reality it is unreal.

I was always a bit conflicted about Ross after the 3-1 league loss to them and the Semi defeat against them, but you cannot dismiss his achievements.

I always felt that his departure had as much to do with off-field tensions as it did with onfield results although it was a horrendous run we were on at the end.

Maloney was a disaster from the outset and reflects really bad on RG and his understanding of the game in Scotland.

I read threads wanting shot of virtually everyone, there's no doubt we need reinforcements and a few need to go but we are not in as bad a state as folk make out.

In the same way as a run of form can make someone look far better than they are when confidence is up, then the converse is true, loss of confidence can make good players look bad.

I dont think anyone can blame the players for being a bit shell shocked by this season and the failure to address defensive and forward issues acknowledged by all and the horrendous injury and suspension issues and the loss of Magennis in particular have magnified this.

IMO folk need to calm down, see what the close season brings and then we start afresh again

I think many fans are just fed up with the same mistakes being made and not learning from previous years.

It’s maybe a younger generation thing that have grown up seeing him do well.

Hibs fans don’t expect to win every game but there is a level of performance and outcomes which are acceptable.

Finishing below Ross county , Motherwell, Livingston currently and Dundee Utd - not to mention Hearts really is unacceptable hence why so much hysteria.

Fans pour a load of money and time into the club and simply this season hasn’t been value for money or a good use of time for many.

Trust is the basis of most good relationships in life and fans are split and don’t fully trust the club or what will be done with the money for ST / so fans aren’t renewing.

Some will always renew but Hibs also have a large amount of fans who want to be proud of their team and management and currently we are often in the news for the wrong reasons and many can’t see a way out of this mess. The appointment of the manager and this summers recruitment will determine if we are top end of the league or facing a relegation battle next season.

[Lago]

Muller hasn't worked out, which is a disappointment, however if you look at the UK as a whole American players haven't really made it here, the ones that spring to mind for me are Pulisic at Chelsea, Sargent at Norwich,and, to a lesser extent Steffen at Man City along with Carter-Vickers on loan at Celtic. It's strange that so few have been a success but perhaps the game still needs to develope in the US.
Also perhaps as a young man it could be that Muller was just plain home sick, it happens.

[JimBHibees]

Great post! As for Chris M, how many transfers end up being successful? Probably way under 50% or under 5% if you follow Hibs Net! 😁 I actually think the club should be applauded for the Chris M transfer. It hasn't worked out but it was innovative and we looked at a new market. No foul, no harm as they say in the US and we move on.

Couldn't agree more

[GreenCastle]

Living in Vancouver and having been to plenty Whitecaps games over the past few years I whole heartedly agree with this. The pressure and culture around the game is completely different and holds them back over there. I went to a dire 0-0 between Vancouver Whitecaps and LA Galaxy. It was a Saturday night so you'd expect a good atmosphere to start but folk just chit chat and have a beer while the game goes on. Nobody cared that the Whitecaps hadn't even had a shot on target

I can only really judge by the quality of Vancouver Whitecaps but the standard of coaching is miles off Scotland for a start. There are some strong athletes but the quality really isn't there which is why Gauld has stood out so much since joining. One of the best technical players they've had for a long time.

Anyway, long story short, there might be teams in that league that would give us a doing but for the most part the quality and physicality really isn't there.

The MLS league is only about 30 years old.

They have better players in their league.
Better stadiums
Better Fan experience inside and outside the ground.
The league pulls in more £ than the Scottish league.

I get the raw passion of Scottish football chat but at the same time there are just as many muppets in Scottish football who sit on their phones during games as in America.

Many soccer fans are relatively new to supporting teams as the league is growing. In Scotland you have a culture of many generations growing U.K. supporting teams.

If you think of infrastructure many Scottish stadiums have had hardly any improvements over last 20 years. Some are still very dated and often the options like toilets and food available is very dated.

Fan experience is important - I’m glad Hibs have tried to improve it (though they could still improve it!!) but MLS is definitely an attractive league for players and coaches.

Some Scottish players have done well in USA as maybe less physical but I would also argue the speed of the game is faster and every player is very athletic. It just seems Scottish football still has the get in the faces type mentality and that doesn’t suit the flair players unless very good.

Plenty players don’t do well in certain leagues but I’m adamant if hibs played MLS they definitely wouldn’t be near the top of the leagues.

[Shrekko]

I also agree that Hibs need to be innovative like this but my problem with Mueller was he just didn't ever look like the required standard- actually nowhere near it. His best games were against lower league teams and he generally looked lacking in so many ways. Sometimes you can look at some players and think they look good but it isn't working for some other reason (there can be many), but I didn't get that with him.

[eastterrace]

Shows how good Jack Ross genuinely was.na it shows you how crap the other teams were especially Aberdeen

[SonOfDavidFrancey]

I have been a Hibs supporter for 60 years, the first 10 or so can be discounted as I was too young to understand.

I am at times very critical of the team and the club, but folk turning their noses up at Semi or Cup finals, regardless of results are from another planet.

Hibs history even related back to the halcyon years of the Famous Five and Tornadoes era's are littered with cup failures.

Getting to those latter stages is no mean achievement and if we are going to castigate the club for this we are as well shutting the doors now.

Folks expectations these days are so far divorced from reality it is unreal.

I was always a bit conflicted about Ross after the 3-1 league loss to them and the Semi defeat against them, but you cannot dismiss his achievements.

I always felt that his departure had as much to do with off-field tensions as it did with onfield results although it was a horrendous run we were on at the end.

Maloney was a disaster from the outset and reflects really bad on RG and his understanding of the game in Scotland.

I read threads wanting shot of virtually everyone, there's no doubt we need reinforcements and a few need to go but we are not in as bad a state as folk make out.

In the same way as a run of form can make someone look far better than they are when confidence is up, then the converse is true, loss of confidence can make good players look bad.

I dont think anyone can blame the players for being a bit shell shocked by this season and the failure to address defensive and forward issues acknowledged by all and the horrendous injury and suspension issues and the loss of Magennis in particular have magnified this.

IMO folk need to calm down, see what the close season brings and then we start afresh again


Hear hear.

[Lago]

Hear hear.
Hear, hear, hear 👍

[BSEJVT]

na it shows you how crap the other teams were especially Aberdeen

It’s simply not possible that in the one year in decades we finish 3rd that everyone other than Rangers were pish

Even if it were the case you can only beat what’s in front of you


There are issues at the club and in the team but folk are just spouting absolute nonsense to continue their agenda if hammering the club

It’s like some giant group think or Stalinism where folk outdo each other in their criticism to show how on board they are with the narrative

Truth has become a casualty of espousing a popular view

Mueller IMO wasn’t up to standard but we have in my time literally hundreds of others who weren’t either from most corners of the globe but especially the UK

Some far more glaring than Mueller and given our nearness to their careers easier to decode in advance

Yet some are castigating us for trying something new

The whole thing is utter madness

[theonlywayisup]

I have been a Hibs supporter for 60 years, the first 10 or so can be discounted as I was too young to understand.

I am at times very critical of the team and the club, but folk turning their noses up at Semi or Cup finals, regardless of results are from another planet.

Hibs history even related back to the halcyon years of the Famous Five and Tornadoes era's are littered with cup failures.

Getting to those latter stages is no mean achievement and if we are going to castigate the club for this we are as well shutting the doors now.

Folks expectations these days are so far divorced from reality it is unreal.

I was always a bit conflicted about Ross after the 3-1 league loss to them and the Semi defeat against them, but you cannot dismiss his achievements.

I always felt that his departure had as much to do with off-field tensions as it did with onfield results although it was a horrendous run we were on at the end.

Maloney was a disaster from the outset and reflects really bad on RG and his understanding of the game in Scotland.

I read threads wanting shot of virtually everyone, there's no doubt we need reinforcements and a few need to go but we are not in as bad a state as folk make out.

In the same way as a run of form can make someone look far better than they are when confidence is up, then the converse is true, loss of confidence can make good players look bad.

I dont think anyone can blame the players for being a bit shell shocked by this season and the failure to address defensive and forward issues acknowledged by all and the horrendous injury and suspension issues and the loss of Magennis in particular have magnified this.

IMO folk need to calm down, see what the close season brings and then we start afresh again

Agree with a lot of what you say, but I am finding myself getting more angry as each day passes. Below is what I posted after the semi final defeat and prior to the sacking of Maloney. At the start of the 2021/22 season, when we should have been building on a solid platform, we didn't and look at us now. I don't really want to bring our neighbours into this, but can we see them slipping into reverse now that they have the group stages in a European competition to look forward to.

When we had the opportunity to move forward, we've done the opposite. Do I trust Ron to sort out this mess? It's a resounding "NO" from me.


I am extremely angry at how things are playing out at Easter Road and there is only one person to blame - Ron Gordon.

To me, even last year when we finished 3rd in the league, it was blindingly obvious we needed good solid recruitment in areas that we needed it most. Last season, I felt we were too reliant on our good players playing well, which of course they did. At the start of the season, I actually was upbeat as Magennis was playing well but then the injuries to key players and suspensions highlighted our lack of depth.

I did not want Jack Ross sacked, but I understand and accept why he was. At the time, I felt the problem was more down to poor recruitment and injuries than down to JR. To then replace him with an unproven manager and then sign equally unproven players (excluding Clarke) in the transfer window is a shocking example of bad management. So bad I can't express in words how bad.

Only Hibs can build you up and then deflate you so quickly. When we should have been building a solid platform, we are now on a downward spiral. Over to you Ron.

[Shrekko]

It’s simply not possible that in the one year in decades we finish 3rd that everyone other than Rangers were pish

Even if it were the case you can only beat what’s in front of you


There are issues at the club and in the team but folk are just spouting absolute nonsense to continue their agenda if hammering the club

It’s like some giant group think or Stalinism where folk outdo each other in their criticism to show how on board they are with the narrative

Truth has become a casualty of espousing a popular view



So true, and really worrying how fans have actually been trying to demean a 3rd place finish and numerous Hampden appearances in recent times. They'd do well to remember that the Famous Five and Turnbulls Tornadoes won a grand total of ONE major knock-out cup between them and they are apparently the standard bearers for those who think we have the same history as the Brazilian National team! And there was nowhere near the gulf in resources then between us and the Old Firm.

As you say- it's group think. Same lines being trotted out by all of them - we were only 3rd because Aberdeen were poor etc etc.

Not sure what would ever make them happy or proud of their club.

[BSEJVT]

Agree with a lot of what you say, but I am finding myself getting more angry as each day passes. Below is what I posted after the semi final defeat and prior to the sacking of Maloney. At the start of the 2021/22 season, when we should have been building on a solid platform, we didn't and look at us now. I don't really want to bring our neighbours into this, but can we see them slipping into reverse now that they have the group stages in a European competition to look forward to.

When we had the opportunity to move forward, we've done the opposite. Do I trust Ron to sort out this mess? It's a resounding "NO" from me.

I don’t disagree with anything you say at all and I too am hugely concerned by where we are and what I see but most of the stuff I read is totally overblown

2 years ago Hearts were in an infinitely worse state than we are but have turned it around

Experience tells me that other than mega rich outliers like the OF in Scotland or City / Chelsea in England football is cyclical

Man Utd show even untold riches guarantees nothing

Football is an emotive sport where rationale goes out the window for us all at times

I fear that after a sustained period of relative success (given our history) not in absolute terms we have a new core of supporters with inflated expectations who are driving the present narrative

Maybe because I am as disinterested as I have ever been and hopefully matured with age I am not apoplectic about where we are on this occasion

It just all seems OTT hysterical behaviour by many on this board to me just now

It’s also hugely counterproductive as I read this nonsense and it pushes me further away as I don’t ( and doubt anybody does) need the irrational anger and negativity constantly

[superfurryhibby]

So the reports of them both being offered new deals were rubbish then? Nisbet even came out in the press in September/October time saying he was close to signing a new deal.

My point was that the original post suggested Muellers wages were the single reason that Nisbet was unsettled, which if true is his own fault as he was offered a new deal which he didn't sign. If wages were the only issue he would have signed it.

There is definitely more to it than wages, so the riginal post is wrong that Muellers wages unsettled Nisbet.

You added Porteous to that, suggesting that he also was unsettled purely by Muellers wages. There were reports in the press that Porteous had been offered new terms so, if as you claim, wages were the only thing unsettling him, why didn't he sign the new deal on offer?

Reality is that Nisbet has been looking at his next move since he arrived here, as is his right, and was never likely to sign a new deal here given that he is wanting to move elsewhere. Also Porteous has reached the natural end of his time here and needs to move on out of Scotland for his own good, so he was never going to sign another deal this season. He wasn't unsettled by Muellers wages.

I think you're spot on with your take on things.

Nisbet was keen to be away only six months into his Hibs career.

Porto needs to be away, as he doesn't appear to be able to screw the nut up here.

Mueller hadn't even turned up at Hibs by the time those contract extension talks were taking place. I doubt very much whether his wages were a factor in either players decision to turn contracts down.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It’s simply not possible that in the one year in decades we finish 3rd that everyone other than Rangers were pish

Even if it were the case you can only beat what’s in front of you


There are issues at the club and in the team but folk are just spouting absolute nonsense to continue their agenda if hammering the club

It’s like some giant group think or Stalinism where folk outdo each other in their criticism to show how on board they are with the narrative

Truth has become a casualty of espousing a popular view

Mueller IMO wasn’t up to standard but we have in my time literally hundreds of others who weren’t either from most corners of the globe but especially the UK

Some far more glaring than Mueller and given our nearness to their careers easier to decode in advance

Yet some are castigating us for trying something new

The whole thing is utter madness

It really is possible.

People called it out whilst we were finishing third last season. Loads of people weren’t happy, didn’t think we were a great team and thought we benefited from the league being the poorest standard it’s been in god knows how long.

Fast forward over a summer and we’ve got not all that much different a squad and the same manager. Hearts have been promoted, Dundee United have appointed a new manager who’s improved them and Graham Alexander has had his first full transfer window and improved his Motherwell side. We have a decent start to the season and then we fall apart. The players people didn’t think were good enough last season are looking terrible and the manager who people had reservations about is getting the results a lot of our play last season probably deserved.

This squad is nowhere near good enough and is absolutely littered with poor to average players. Ordinarily, last seasons squad also wouldn’t have been anywhere near good enough to finish 3rd. The squad from last season would have been well behind Hearts this season imo and they hugely benefited from the fact that Hearts weren’t in the league and the other sides were also absolutely terrible.

If you put last seasons Hibs side up against the teams who have finished 3rd over the last 10 years or so I wouldn’t fancy us to beat many of them over the course of a season.

[BSEJVT]

It really is possible.

People called it out whilst we were finishing third last season. Loads of people weren’t happy, didn’t think we were a great team and thought we benefited from the league being the poorest standard it’s been in god knows how long.

Fast forward over a summer and we’ve got not all that much different a squad and the same manager. Hearts have been promoted, Dundee United have appointed a new manager who’s improved them and Graham Alexander has had his first full transfer window and improved his Motherwell side. We have a decent start to the season and then we fall apart. The players people didn’t think were good enough last season are looking terrible and the manager who people had reservations about is getting the results a lot of our play last season probably deserved.

This squad is nowhere near good enough and is absolutely littered with poor to average players. Ordinarily, last seasons squad also wouldn’t have been anywhere near good enough to finish 3rd. The squad from last season would have been well behind Hearts this season imo and they hugely benefited from the fact that Hearts weren’t in the league and the other sides were also absolutely terrible.

If you put last seasons Hibs side up against the teams who have finished 3rd over the last 10 years or so I wouldn’t fancy us to beat many of them over the course of a season.

Completely unprovable

I could have and have written a post disagreeing with your assertion

Like beauty it is in the eye of the beholder, or more succinctly their view of the world at that time and it fitting their narrative

[Cocaine&Caviar]

Muller hasn't worked out, which is a disappointment, however if you look at the UK as a whole American players haven't really made it here, the ones that spring to mind for me are Pulisic at Chelsea, Sargent at Norwich,and, to a lesser extent Steffen at Man City along with Carter-Vickers on loan at Celtic. It's strange that so few have been a success but perhaps the game still needs to develope in the US.
Also perhaps as a young man it could be that Muller was just plain home sick, it happens.

You know Carter-Vickers is from Essex though yeh? Qualifies for USA through his dad.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Completely unprovable

I could have and have written a post disagreeing with your assertion

Like beauty it is in the eye of the beholder, or more succinctly their view of the world at that time and it fitting their narrative

Of course it’s unprovable, as is the idea that the league being pish last season is simply impossible. It’s very possible. We finished 3rd with a points total that more often than not wouldn’t have even enough for third and the league didn’t have one ofthe biggest clubs in the country and the one who’s ran away with 3rd this year in it.

[Coco Bryce]

And you know this....how?

Makes perfect sense to me that they would have been offered improved terms. In Nisbet's case, it could well turn out to be a case of bird in the hand etc. Just shows how football, like life, is all about the timing.

It was the 'Unsettled being their own fault' that was bollocks.

[brog]

It really is possible.

People called it out whilst we were finishing third last season. Loads of people weren’t happy, didn’t think we were a great team and thought we benefited from the league being the poorest standard it’s been in god knows how long.

Fast forward over a summer and we’ve got not all that much different a squad and the same manager. Hearts have been promoted, Dundee United have appointed a new manager who’s improved them and Graham Alexander has had his first full transfer window and improved his Motherwell side. We have a decent start to the season and then we fall apart. The players people didn’t think were good enough last season are looking terrible and the manager who people had reservations about is getting the results a lot of our play last season probably deserved.

This squad is nowhere near good enough and is absolutely littered with poor to average players. Ordinarily, last seasons squad also wouldn’t have been anywhere near good enough to finish 3rd. The squad from last season would have been well behind Hearts this season imo and they hugely benefited from the fact that Hearts weren’t in the league and the other sides were also absolutely terrible.

If you put last seasons Hibs side up against the teams who have finished 3rd over the last 10 years or so I wouldn’t fancy us to beat many of them over the course of a season.


How can you possibly say the league is the lowest standard in God knows how long? It's an impossible task to compare the standard year on year. It's only your opinion. As for Motherwell, ask Well fans about Alexander improving them! They fluked a top 6 spot & will probably finish with less points than last season. We should celebrate a top 3 finish not diminish it.

[BSEJVT]

Of course it’s unprovable, as is the idea that the league being pish last season is simply impossible. It’s very possible. We finished 3rd with a points total that more often than not wouldn’t have even enough for third and the league didn’t have one ofthe biggest clubs in the country and the one who’s ran away with 3rd this year in it.

If we are resorting to debating whether last years league was better worse or the same as years before when we both accept its unprovable then we are wasting each other’s time

[Coco Bryce]

So the reports of them both being offered new deals were rubbish then? Nisbet even came out in the press in September/October time saying he was close to signing a new deal.

My point was that the original post suggested Muellers wages were the single reason that Nisbet was unsettled, which if true is his own fault as he was offered a new deal which he didn't sign. If wages were the only issue he would have signed it.

There is definitely more to it than wages, so the riginal post is wrong that Muellers wages unsettled Nisbet.

You added Porteous to that, suggesting that he also was unsettled purely by Muellers wages. There were reports in the press that Porteous had been offered new terms so, if as you claim, wages were the only thing unsettling him, why didn't he sign the new deal on offer?

Reality is that Nisbet has been looking at his next move since he arrived here, as is his right, and was never likely to sign a new deal here given that he is wanting to move elsewhere. Also Porteous has reached the natural end of his time here and needs to move on out of Scotland for his own good, so he was never going to sign another deal this season. He wasn't unsettled by Muellers wages.

I never said they weren't offered new deals?? You said they were 'unsettled' because of wages and it was their own fault.

I think we all know why Porteous want's to leave Scotland and hasn't agreed a new deal and is looking to move away.

[superfurryhibby]

It was the 'Unsettled being their own fault' that was bollocks.

Who's fault was it?

[Paulie Walnuts]

How can you possibly say the league is the lowest standard in God knows how long? It's an impossible task to compare the standard year on year. It's only your opinion. As for Motherwell, ask Well fans about Alexander improving them! They fluked a top 6 spot & will probably finish with less points than last season. We should celebrate a top 3 finish not diminish it.

I said lots of people thought it was the lowest standard in god knows how long. I never said it was a matter of fact.

Imo it was. St Johnstone even managed to win a cup double the other teams were that crap.

[Coco Bryce]

Who's fault was it?

Not theirs.

[Callum_62]

Of course it’s unprovable, as is the idea that the league being pish last season is simply impossible. It’s very possible. We finished 3rd with a points total that more often than not wouldn’t have even enough for third and the league didn’t have one ofthe biggest clubs in the country and the one who’s ran away with 3rd this year in it.Doenst that point to possibly the league being more competitive?

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[Paulie Walnuts]

Doenst think point to possibly the league being more competitive?

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Competitive and a decent standard are two totally different things though.

[Sergio sledge]

I never said they weren't offered new deals?? You said they were 'unsettled' because of wages and it was their own fault.

I think we all know why Porteous want's to leave Scotland and hasn't agreed a new deal and is looking to move away.

I think you've misunderstood my point, I agree with you on Porteous.

The original post suggested it was Muellers wages that unsettled Nisbet, you then replied with "And Porteous" suggesting that Muellers wages unsettled Porteous as well. My point was that "if" they both have been unsettled by wages then that's their own fault as they were both offered new deals.

To be clear, I don't think either of them were unsettled by Muellers wages, there were many other factors at play, not just another players wages, as you have stated with Porteous.

[HerbDailly]

Read the thread. Hibs denied it in the press in January.


https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/how-gordon-and-kensell-have-taken-hibs-to-the-next-level-3525341There's nothing from the club denying anything in that article

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[bigwheel]

Read the thread. Hibs denied it in the press in January.


https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/how-gordon-and-kensell-have-taken-hibs-to-the-next-level-3525341

Not going to read all this thread ..haven’t seen anything (including the article you attached) that denies it ..on the other hand have heard through media and other sources on many occasions as to the high salary that Mueller secured ..

[Ronniekirk]

Porteous and Nisbet were both offered new deals on improved terms this year and chose not to sign them. If they've become unsettled then its their own fault.

Was it not last year and Nisbets offer was eventually taken off table has he hadn’t signed it
Not sure what happened re Porto but clearly he must be happy to keep his options open now and see if offers come in for him in summer window


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[WhileTheChief..]

Like I said last night, he was on about £1500 a week in the USA (as published by the MLS).

I wouldnt be surprised to see him get an increase to move continent, but it would not be anywhere even close to the numbers mentioned.

This has been discussed and debunked on many occasions.

Yup. He was on $137k (£109k) guaranteed in 2021 season but his basic was $123k (£97k).

https://www.thebluetestament.com/2021/5/13/22434442/complete-2021-mls-salaries-major-league-soccer-chicharito-vela-pulido-atlanta-lafc-miami-austin

[superfurryhibby]

Doenst that point to possibly the league being more competitive?

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Any league with Hearts in it was always going to be more competitive, for us at least.

[Coco Bryce]

I think you've misunderstood my point, I agree with you on Porteous.

The original post suggested it was Muellers wages that unsettled Nisbet, you then replied with "And Porteous" suggesting that Muellers wages unsettled Porteous as well. My point was that "if" they both have been unsettled by wages then that's their own fault as they were both offered new deals.

To be clear, I don't think either of them were unsettled by Muellers wages, there were many other factors at play, not just another players wages, as you have stated with Porteous.

Ah right sorry. Getting mixed up here.

Offered poor deals though.

[hibee-boys]

Mueller was hyped up for so long he was on a hiding to nothing, we were expecting him to be the new Boyle, he leaves us with the one lasting memory……the owl🙄

[superfurryhibby]

Ah right sorry. Getting mixed up here.

Offered poor deals though.

How do you know this? Compared to whom or what?

[J-C]

Yup. He was on $137k (£109k) guaranteed in 2021 season but his basic was $123k (£97k).

https://www.thebluetestament.com/2021/5/13/22434442/complete-2021-mls-salaries-major-league-soccer-chicharito-vela-pulido-atlanta-lafc-miami-austin

So that's around £2k per week, even doubling that to £4k isn't really OTT wages wise, I think Allan's on around £3k.

[JohnM1875]

Thank **** he's leaving, hopefully means we'll stop talking about what wage he's on.

Think there's a player in there somewhere but maybe not suited for the SPFL. Surprised he's chucking it so quickly with all his motivational posts/book.

Wish him all the best if/when he does go.

[Hibs90]

There's nothing from the club denying anything in that article

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Apart from this "Similarly, Mueller was eyeing a new challenge in Europe and was picked out by Ian Gordon, son of chairman Ron. Rumours that the 25-year-old has become the Easter Road side’s highest earner on an eye-watering weekly wage are well wide of the mark, however."


From the Hibs reporter in the local paper, who gets fed information from the club.

I know what to believe.:aok:

[HerbDailly]

Apart from this "Similarly, Mueller was eyeing a new challenge in Europe and was picked out by Ian Gordon, son of chairman Ron. Rumours that the 25-year-old has become the Easter Road side’s highest earner on an eye-watering weekly wage are well wide of the mark, however."


From the Hibs reporter in the local paper, who gets fed information from the club.

I know what to believe.:aok:

No, not apart from that. You said the club denied it and offered this source where no one from the club even addresses it.

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[jacomo]

You need a tin hat at the ready if you mention anything about our Head of Recruitment


??

[SteveHFC]

No, not apart from that. You said the club denied it and offered this source where no one from the club even addresses it.

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The club denied it through the press as legally they won't be allowed to talk about individual salaries.

Hope this helps.

[HerbDailly]

The club denied it through the press as legally they won't be allowed to talk about individual salaries.

Hope this helps.No, the club didn't deny anything, McPartland did.
The club can ridicule reported wages all we want, there's no legal problem with going "£9k a week? Em nope!"

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[CropleyWasGod]

The club denied it through the press as legally they won't be allowed to talk about individual salaries.

Hope this helps.

That's policy, not a legal requirement.

[Lago]

Frankly this is getting boring now, it didn't work out for the boy, for whatever reason and he is apparently going home. I don't expect I'll see him play for USA but will probably have decent club carrier in America. As to his wages that's history and money will be available for another player.
Can I just add there seems to be much less discussion on the merits of James Scott and his costs to the club, he was after all a million £ player.

[LewysGot2]

I think you're spot on with your take on things.

Nisbet was keen to be away only six months into his Hibs career.

Porto needs to be away, as he doesn't appear to be able to screw the nut up here.

Mueller hadn't even turned up at Hibs by the time those contract extension talks were taking place. I doubt very much whether his wages were a factor in either players decision to turn contracts down.

Nisbet put in a request to move on at the first swish of the skirts of a suitor so early in his Hibs career none of us had even seen him play live. Took him just one transfer window to believe his own hype and that situation is at the root of much of the challenges he has had with being appreciated since.

It was a massive error of judgement but we are where we are now.

[Tambo]

Been at work all day and only checking news now, bit surprised at the timing of the release but no hard feels Chris.

Definitely came up alot of hype and just didn't live up to it.

[Jamesie]

Thank **** he's leaving, hopefully means we'll stop talking about what wage he's on.

Think there's a player in there somewhere but maybe not suited for the SPFL. Surprised he's chucking it so quickly with all his motivistional posts/book.

Wish him all the best if/when he does go.

I too am surprised as he might struggle to get another chance in Europe after this experience That said, he might not be overly bothered - for all the salary chat on this thread, I’m sure I heard comments from him on some podcast that seemed to suggest MLS players would take a pay cut to come and play in Scotland. Who knows.

[04Sauzee]

Chicago Fire technical director Sebastian Pelzer on the club's chase of Chris Mueller:

“We’re aware of the reports, we know Chris Mueller very well. … We might come back with more news in the upcoming days.”

https://twitter.com/tombogert/status/1521574432472506369?t=O9-xu0ZVdX3-a9Y0O8B-vA&s=19

[04Sauzee]

Sun reporting


EXCLUSIVE
FootballScottish Premiership
CUT LOSSES Chris Mueller highest paid flop in Hibs’ history on huge £10,000-a-week wage
Derek McGregor
22:26, 3 May 2022Updated: 22:30, 3 May 2022

https://twitter.com/scotsunsport/status/1521602811645079553?t=ds9yPAGkl9FZnO5yrWX_Og&s=19

[St.Kristopher]

Chicago Fire technical director Sebastian Pelzer on the club's chase of Chris Mueller:

“We’re aware of the reports, we know Chris Mueller very well. … We might come back with more news in the upcoming days.”

https://twitter.com/tombogert/status/1521574432472506369?t=O9-xu0ZVdX3-a9Y0O8B-vA&s=19

Thought I read their transfer window closes tomorrow. Feels like he wants away but we are holding out for a fee.

[JamesHFC]

£10k a week 😭

[SteveHFC]

£10K a week 🤣

[Unseen work]

Pretty mental if true. Probably worth reminding folk of this

https://twitter.com/p_mcpartlin/status/1481566239461978115?s=21&t=wXUMX2QPI1aXpiHkJqU_pw

You’d imagine we would get some sort of fee that would at least recoup what we paid him during his time here.

Fair play for being prepared to pay that for a player though. I’d suggest getting more players of 3-5k per week quality though than one on 10k which will be far more than others.

Increase the weekly wage on players as a whole and not just one will see a much better squad imo

[18Craig75]

🤷🏼*♂️

[HendoDelivered]

I expect to see Hermit Crab replying to this thread very soon :greengrin

[Vault Boy]

£10,000 a week is a total fantasy.




It was £9,500.

[SaulGoodman]

£10,000 a week is a total fantasy.




It was £9,500.

More nonsense rumours starting on here that will grow arms and legs. Get a grip of yourself.


It was £9,815.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

The sun has probably trawling through here and bounce and taken it as fact

[Vault Boy]

More nonsense rumours starting on here that will grow arms and legs. Get a grip of yourself.


It was £9,815.

You get back to mapping the stars in order to accurately predict our transfer activity

[SaulGoodman]

You get back to mapping the stars in order to accurately predict our transfer activity

No one can accurately predict our transfer activities these days 🤣

[green day]

The sun has probably trawling through here and bounce and taken it as fact

That's probably more accurate than anything in their entire paper......

[SlickShoes]

If it’s in the Sun then it’s confirmed garbage. But people on here will still use it as a stick to beat hibs with.

[miy00015]

I don’t post often but if we all take a step back £10k a week (I’m sure the rumour used to be £8k per week and it’s grown again) is incredibly unlikely. The clubs accounts are shown on companies house and £10k per week would be something like between 5% - 10% of the clubs last reported turnover spent on a single wage. I feel this is about as likely as Rudi Skacel singing Sunshine on Leith.


I think the rumour is something a lot of people would like to be true, as well as being so outlandish that everyone can’t help but talk about it.

[Jdawg]

An imposter of a footballer. Timid, weak, slow, and tactically inept. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

[CB Hibs 68]

Just because the news that Mueller was on 10 grand a week broke in the Sun doesn’t mean to say it’s not true.It seems entirely likely and explains why Muellers return to the States has been hastily arranged to the mutual benefit of all parties involved.It also suggests to me that the concern many of us have over our recruitment policy is justified.Ron and his son are responsible for this nonsense and leave me with little to no confidence that they can plot a way back to some semblance of stability with Hibs pushing for a European place.All this is going on at Easter Rd when our neighbours are sadly in a good place.Makes me so pissed off that we have thrown away the progress we made following the 2016 Cup Final

[007]

Pretty mental if true. Probably worth reminding folk of this

https://twitter.com/p_mcpartlin/status/1481566239461978115?s=21&t=wXUMX2QPI1aXpiHkJqU_pw

You’d imagine we would get some sort of fee that would at least recoup what we paid him during his time here.

Fair play for being prepared to pay that for a player though. I’d suggest getting more players of 3-5k per week quality though than one on 10k which will be far more than others.

Increase the weekly wage on players as a whole and not just one will see a much better squad imo

Hmmmn....who to believe, the Sun or the Evening News. 🤔 As Fuzzywuzzy says above, they've probably got it from here or some other social media.

Don't mind us taking a few speculative punts but we need to get a reasonable number of successes.

[SlickShoes]

Just because the news that Mueller was on 10 grand a week broke in the Sun doesn’t mean to say it’s not true.It seems entirely likely and explains why Muellers return to the States has been hastily arranged to the mutual benefit of all parties involved.It also suggests to me that the concern many of us have over our recruitment policy is justified.Ron and his son are responsible for this nonsense and leave me with little to no confidence that they can plot a way back to some semblance of stability with Hibs pushing for a European place.All this is going on at Easter Rd when our neighbours are sadly in a good place.Makes me so pissed off that we have thrown away the progress we made following the 2016 Cup Final

What seems likely about hibs paying anyone at all a wage like this?

[sunshinejim]

Just because the news that Mueller was on 10 grand a week broke in the Sun doesn’t mean to say it’s not true.It seems entirely likely and explains why Muellers return to the States has been hastily arranged to the mutual benefit of all parties involved.It also suggests to me that the concern many of us have over our recruitment policy is justified.Ron and his son are responsible for this nonsense and leave me with little to no confidence that they can plot a way back to some semblance of stability with Hibs pushing for a European place.All this is going on at Easter Rd when our neighbours are sadly in a good place.Makes me so pissed off that we have thrown away the progress we made following the 2016 Cup Final

They're not our neighbours. They're a bunch of self serving weirdos that are totally psychologically obsessed in beating us. We treat derbies as a VIP game to be won but not with same pathological desire to win at all costs. Its bordering on lunacy with these weirdos. They are totally obsessed and disturbed.

[Kato]

They're not our neighbours. They're a bunch of self serving weirdos that are totally psychologically obsessed in beating us. We treat derbies as a VIP game to be won but not with same pathological desire to win at all costs. Its bordering on lunacy with these weirdos. They are totally obsessed and disturbed.s'true

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[sunshinejim]

s'true

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Aye its true alright. We have been extremely unfortunate to have 'neighbour's' such as these who look after their own in powers of position and have a pathological hatred of all things Hibernian. You only have to look at BBC sportsound that is packed full of Jambos wirh zero Hibernian voice to realise we have always had to fight for everything and aw things. Bunch of self serving weirdo

[Dmas]

What seems likely about hibs paying anyone at all a wage like this?

I think it shows how mental social media etc has driven the football fan that so many will believe he was being paid this amount of money by us.

Not to mention he was only on 2k a week in MLS before and has been very quick to ditch 8k to get back to that

[Hibs90]

Sun reporting


EXCLUSIVE
FootballScottish Premiership
CUT LOSSES Chris Mueller highest paid flop in Hibs’ history on huge £10,000-a-week wage
Derek McGregor
22:26, 3 May 2022Updated: 22:30, 3 May 2022

https://twitter.com/scotsunsport/status/1521602811645079553?t=ds9yPAGkl9FZnO5yrWX_Og&s=19
He’s literally made that up

[Hibs90]

Just because the news that Mueller was on 10 grand a week broke in the Sun doesn’t mean to say it’s not true.It seems entirely likely and explains why Muellers return to the States has been hastily arranged to the mutual benefit of all parties involved.It also suggests to me that the concern many of us have over our recruitment policy is justified.Ron and his son are responsible for this nonsense and leave me with little to no confidence that they can plot a way back to some semblance of stability with Hibs pushing for a European place.All this is going on at Easter Rd when our neighbours are sadly in a good place.Makes me so pissed off that we have thrown away the progress we made following the 2016 Cup Final

It’s not true

[loanheadhibby]

They're not our neighbours. They're a bunch of self serving weirdos that are totally psychologically obsessed in beating us. We treat derbies as a VIP game to be won but not with same pathological desire to win at all costs. Its bordering on lunacy with these weirdos. They are totally obsessed and disturbed.

I wished we were like that as we might beat them every now and then.

[Saint Hibee]

I wished we were like that as we might beat them every now and then.

This. I never quite get this whole narrative about them caring too much about beating us. We clearly need to start caring a bit more.

[JimBHibees]

If it’s in the Sun then it’s confirmed garbage. But people on here will still use it as a stick to beat hibs with.

Pretty much this gives the Hibs hating Hearts and Hibs fans a chance to have a pop.

[Tyler Durden]

Ah right sorry. Getting mixed up here.

Offered poor deals though.

You’ve been trying to act “in the know” re Porteous for about the last 6 months.

Give it a rest

[Glory Lurker]

£100,000 a week????

[superfurryhibby]

You’ve been trying to act “in the know” re Porteous for about the last 6 months.

Give it a rest



The irony of someone pretending to be in the know, making things up and posting them as fact and then berating Hibs fans on other posts for discussing a potential manager target that has been reported on in the press.......ironic or what

[DH1875]

So that's around £2k per week, even doubling that to £4k isn't really OTT wages wise, I think Allan's on around £3k.

Ive no idea what the guy is/was on and doubt its anything like £10k a week but I don't get this doubling his wages that a lot of folk are saying. Where is it written that when a player moves on he only doubles his wage.

[Brightside]

I don’t post often but if we all take a step back £10k a week (I’m sure the rumour used to be £8k per week and it’s grown again) is incredibly unlikely. The clubs accounts are shown on companies house and £10k per week would be something like between 5% - 10% of the clubs last reported turnover spent on a single wage. I feel this is about as likely as Rudi Skacel singing Sunshine on Leith.


I think the rumour is something a lot of people would like to be true, as well as being so outlandish that everyone can’t help but talk about it.

Will it be in the clubs accounts if he’s not being paid by the club?

[GreenCastle]

Does anyone have a link where it stated how long he signed for when he arrived at Hibs ?

Also think he was well paid but don’t think it was 10k.

Think he was on closer to Boyle wages before he left around 6/7k.

[sleeping giant]

Does anyone have a link where it stated how long he signed for when he arrived at Hibs ?

Also think he was well paid but don’t think it was 10k.

Think he was on closer to Boyle wages before he left around 6/7k.

What makes you think all of that?

[Steve88]

It's pretty incredible how good a YouTube compilation video can make you look :rotflmao:

(trying to see the funny side here..)

[SlickShoes]

It's pretty incredible how good a YouTube compilation video can make you look :rotflmao:

(trying to see the funny side here..)

That's not the basis for anyone thinking he is a good player though. By all accounts from people that actually watch him, he was playing really well up until he didn't re-sign with Orlando, and his form has pretty much never recovered since that point.

[Coco Bryce]

You’ve been trying to act “in the know” re Porteous for about the last 6 months.

Give it a rest

Has he signed his new contract yet? :confused:

[oldbutdim]

£10k per month sounds much more believable.

[Tambo]

Footballscotland website running with the 10k a week story, apparently has cost us 160k in wages to date.

[Sir David Gray]

Has he left yet?

He's pushing it if he's going to be flying to the USA and be ready to be part of the Chicago Fire squad for their match in Atlanta on Saturday night.

Especially when their window closes soon.

[Mixu1875]

10k a week rumour isn’t going away and obviously has some substance. Utterly ridiculous.

[RIP]

Maybe Chris was sold on a Hibs that:-

1. Had just finished a credible third in the league
2. Were getting to Hampden regularly
3. Had prospects of playing European football
4. Had guys working their way into international squads
5. and had a Head Coach well respected by the players?

That’s the Hibs that he wanted to join last year. What incentive does he have to stick with us now?

[Since452]

Maybe Chris was sold on a Hibs that finished a credible third in the league, getting to Hamden and Europe, had guys working their wa into international squads and had a Head Coach well respected by the players?

That’s the Hibs that he wanted to join last year.

I wonder if there was a break clause for either party to take up? i.e we don't qualify for Europe and he can say bye bye or he turns out to be pish and we say bye bye. There was a lot of risk on both sides. Wouldn't surprise me if there was something similar with Maloney too. It would make sense.

[04Sauzee]

Has he left yet?

He's pushing it if he's going to be flying to the USA and be ready to be part of the Chicago Fire squad for their match in Atlanta on Saturday night.

Especially when their window closes soon.

From what I can see it's today

MLS transfer windows
Major League Soccer's first window will close on Wednesday, May 4. A secondary window will then run from Thursday, July 7 through to Thursday, August 4.

[Since90+2]

I wonder if there was a break clause for either party to take up? i.e we don't qualify for Europe and he can say bye bye or he turns out to be pish and we say bye bye. There was a lot of risk on both sides. Wouldn't surprise me if there was something similar with Maloney too. It would make sense.

Why would he agree to a contract when we can just rip it up? That's never going to happen.

[Hibernian Verse]

Maybe Chris was sold on a Hibs that:-squads

1.finished a credible third in the league
2. Were getting to Hampden regularly
3. Had prospects of playing European football
4. Had guys working their way into international squads
5. and had a Head Coach well respected by the players?

That’s the Hibs that he wanted to join last year. What incentive does he have now?

Maybe he could have been part of a squad that managed at least 2 more wins so he would be fighting for European football instead of getting humped off or drawing with wee teams since January too.

[green day]

Footballscotland website running with the 10k a week story, apparently has cost us 160k in wages to date.

So they can multiply 16 by 10.

Thats what I call good journalism.............

[JimBHibees]

10k a week rumour isn’t going away and obviously has some substance. Utterly ridiculous.

Not obviously at all just poor journalists repeating the same nonsense

[JimBHibees]

Maybe Chris was sold on a Hibs that:-

1. Had just finished a credible third in the league
2. Were getting to Hampden regularly
3. Had prospects of playing European football
4. Had guys working their way into international squads
5. and had a Head Coach well respected by the players?

That’s the Hibs that he wanted to join last year. What incentive does he have to stick with us now?

We are still getting to Hampden regularly to be fair :greengrin

[Jones28]

10k a week rumour isn’t going away and obviously has some substance. Utterly ridiculous.

It only has substance until the club quash it.

I cannot for the life of me imagine we offered a player on $1600 dollars a week in the MLS £10,000($12,515) a week to come to Hibs.

[hibee-boys]

It only has substance until the club quash it.

I cannot for the life of me imagine we offered a player on $1600 dollars a week in the MLS £10,000($12,515) a week to come to Hibs.

Furthermore, is a player on £10k a week for the next 3.5 years going to head back to the states to pick up a 1/4 of that🤔