Mueller

[WhileTheChief..]

"He was on £10k a week"

"No he wasn't".

Repeat x 20

What does it matter how much he was on?

He's gone, that's the important part!!

[Centre Hawf]

MLS make their salaries public so the best way to work out if he was on anything near 10k a week would be if he takes an MLS salary that would work out anywhere close to it. I can't see the guy taking a 50% pay cut for example.

[Tommy75]

Maybe Chris was sold on a Hibs that:-

1. Had just finished a credible third in the league
2. Were getting to Hampden regularly
3. Had prospects of playing European football
4. Had guys working their way into international squads
5. and had a Head Coach well respected by the players?

That’s the Hibs that he wanted to join last year. What incentive does he have to stick with us now?


1. Fair enough.
2. We have been to Hampden 3 times this season?
3. What was his contribution in our push for Europe?
4. Surely that's down to him to come in and play well.
5. Fair point but it's kind of subjective. Still doesn't excuse the fact he has been rubbish.

[MelbourneHibees]

So they can multiply 16 by 10.

Thats what I call good journalism.............
Even better, they can just lift the figure straight from The Sun article.

People actually go to University for this.

[007]

10k a week rumour isn’t going away and obviously has some substance. Utterly ridiculous.

As you've said yourself, it is a rumour and it is spreading, that's what rumours do. What about that means it has substance?

[007]

MLS make their salaries public so the best way to work out if he was on anything near 10k a week would be if he takes an MLS salary that would work out anywhere close to it. I can't see the guy taking a 50% pay cut for example.

Someone on here looked it up when he joined and said it was £1.5k-£2k, IIRC.

[007]

It only has substance until the club quash it.

I cannot for the life of me imagine we offered a player on $1600 dollars a week in the MLS £10,000($12,515) a week to come to Hibs.

They already have said it was nowhere near 10k but would you expect the Sun to let that stop them printing it?

[brog]

I'm out country so don't have access to Hibs accounts but IIRC we amortized signing on fees over 1st year of contract. So if someone joined for 5k a week but received 100k signing on fee they would receive 350k in year 1, effectively 7k a week. That may account for some of the disparity but 10k seems a rumour too far!

[hibee-boys]

Maybe no one told him that when you earn 10k a week over here Hector gets to keep a fair chunk of it😏

[Coco Bryce]

The 10K could possibly have been his basic + appearances + goal bonuses.

You know what these American sports deals are like.

Maybe he was only getting paid so much by Hibs and the rest from one of Ron's US businesses/consortiums/Tax havens :greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

I'm out country so don't have access to Hibs accounts but IIRC we amortized signing on fees over 1st year of contract. So if someone joined for 5k a week but received 100k signing on fee they would receive 350k in year 1, effectively 7k a week. That may account for some of the disparity but 10k seems a rumour too far!

We amortise the signing-on fee over the length of the contract.

But, taking your main point.... a signing-on fee of £100k, plus 16 weeks at £4k pw, gets close to the £160k being suggested. If that's correct, then the Club are right to be looking for a fee to offset what they have paid out.

[huggie1875]

He wasn’t on 10k it just the usual anything to use to have a go at the club it’ll be the same folk with the 150k for Leigh nonsense utter fantasy heads

[Since90+2]

The 10K could possibly have been his basic + appearances + goal bonuses.

You know what these American sports deals are like.

Maybe he was only getting paid so much by Hibs and the rest from one of Ron's US businesses/consortiums/Tax havens :greengrin

We must be paying some appearance and goal bonuses for that to be correct.

[GreenArmy1875]

He wasn’t on 10k it just the usual anything to use to have a go at the club it’ll be the same folk with the 150k for Leigh nonsense utter fantasy heads

Agreed. If we had 10k a week I am sure we wouldn't be offering it to him. We would be going out and getting tried and tested players in the league.

[Coco Bryce]

We must be paying some appearance and goal bonuses for that to be correct.

My suggestion was purely based on Mueller.

Not sure we'll be paying much goal bonuses :faf:

[MrSmith]

Has he gone yet?

[Billy Whizz]

I'm out country so don't have access to Hibs accounts but IIRC we amortized signing on fees over 1st year of contract. So if someone joined for 5k a week but received 100k signing on fee they would receive 350k in year 1, effectively 7k a week. That may account for some of the disparity but 10k seems a rumour too far!

It would be in this financial year, not the last one
The rumour I heard that Ron was paying the balance between what Hibs were paying, and what he got, as all payments have to go through the club
Say £3k Hibs and £7k Ron

[Centre Hawf]

Someone on here looked it up when he joined and said it was £1.5k-£2k, IIRC.

That was his last contract, I was more meaning his new one in Chicago would give us an indication of what he is on here.

If he goes away and ends up making around £8k+ a week you could argue he took a pay cut from £10k to go back home. If he ends up on anything under £5k this time it's hard to imagine him halving his wages.

[Colorado Hibs]

Mueller was on $137,465 at Orlando, so it seems much more likely that he's on £10k/month than £10k/week

https://www.themaneland.com/2021/5/13/22434787/mlspa-salary-dump-reveals-orlando-citys-2021-player-costs

[Sioux]

It would be in this financial year, not the last one
The rumour I heard that Ron was paying the balance between what Hibs were paying, and what he got, as all payments have to go through the club
Say £3k Hibs and £7k Ron

And you believed that muck?

[Since452]

Has he gone yet?

Has he even arrived yet?

[Brightside]

It would be in this financial year, not the last one
The rumour I heard that Ron was paying the balance between what Hibs were paying, and what he got, as all payments have to go through the club
Say £3k Hibs and £7k Ron

I think the 10k story is nonsense but I have been told by someone around the club that Ron is pitching in for his salary. Hence why I don’t think we will ever know. It’s a gamble by Ian Gordon. And it’s gone very wrong. But hopefully it’s only Ron that’s out of pocket.

[Coco Bryce]

It would be in this financial year, not the last one
The rumour I heard that Ron was paying the balance between what Hibs were paying, and what he got, as all payments have to go through the club
Say £3k Hibs and £7k Ron

I heard this as well. See my post above where I hinted at this.

Just didn't want to just come out with it like you did as you get ripped apart on here for posting things you've heard :greengrin

[SlickShoes]

Another thing that someone heard, that is impossible to prove, so it can just be used to bash Ron/Hibs with again.

I heard that we actually paid Mueller to leave, we gave him £250k to go back to America and not see out the rest of his contract.

I heard it from some guy at a pub down the road, but its definitely probably true and you can't convince me otherwise because unless Hibs specifically say this did not happen I will just believe it forever.

[Coco Bryce]

Another thing that someone heard, that is impossible to prove, so it can just be used to bash Ron/Hibs with again.

I heard that we actually paid Mueller to leave, we gave him £250k to go back to America and not see out the rest of his contract.

I heard it from some guy at a pub down the road, but its definitely probably true and you can't convince me otherwise because unless Hibs specifically say this did not happen I will just believe it forever.

Source?

[The dalmeny]

It would be in this financial year, not the last one
The rumour I heard that Ron was paying the balance between what Hibs were paying, and what he got, as all payments have to go through the club
Say £3k Hibs and £7k Ron


I tend not to pay too much attention to what players are earning as the sources are mostly *****

I do know in other sport that players get salary top ups from sponsors/benefactors like you've illustrated above.

[hibee-boys]

It was maybe 4K a week and 6k worth of exotic birds🤔

[Hibernian Verse]

It was maybe 4K a week and 6k worth of exotic birds🤔

Where do I sign up?

[Coco Bryce]

I tend not to pay too much attention to what players are earning as the sources are mostly *****

I do know in other sport that players get salary top ups from sponsors/benefactors like you've illustrated above.

It's common knowledge what some of the biggest players in Europe are earning as it's reported when they sign for their new clubs but for some reason people refuse to believe what some guy at Hibs in getting :rolleyes:

[Wull]

Coming in late to this story, I find it hard to believe what's going on, we waited for months for his arrival and seems we all bought into he was going to be this amazing player who wwould be just what we need to help replace Martin. Seems a classic case of "premature infatuation". Totally scunnert.

[Greenbeard]

Maybe no one told him that when you earn 10k a week over here Hector gets to keep a fair chunk of it😏
Fazat? Hector Brocklebank? Furty buy fash?

[GreenCastle]

Mueller was at the airport this morning so definitely on way to USA.

[CropleyWasGod]

Mueller was at the airport this morning so definitely on way to USA.

Maybe just meeting Ron off rhe plane?

[degenerated]

Where do I sign up?

Scorpio Leisure :agree:

[delbert]

Maybe just meeting Ron off rhe plane?

Let’s hope he is a better driver than he was a player, he was utterly rank !

[The dalmeny]

It's common knowledge what some of the biggest players in Europe are earning as it's reported when they sign for their new clubs but for some reason people refuse to believe what some guy at Hibs in getting :rolleyes:

To be honest I probably should have said I don’t really care

[Since452]

On to the next guy we think is going to be amazing before actually seeing him play.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Was up for him getting a pre season and starting afresh in the summer with a new manager

If it means getting a reported decent wage off the books for a new manager to spend then fair enough I'm OK with that

[Billy Whizz]

And you believed that muck?

The figures were examples, but yes I believe his salary was topped up by Ron
They thought he would excel in Scotland, and the investment would pay off when he was sold for a decent transfer fee

Everything would have to go via PAYE though. Be interesting to see our wage bill come the next accounts

[Since452]

The figures were examples, but yes I believe his salary was topped up by Ron
They thought he would excel in Scotland, and the investment would pay off when he was sold for a decent transfer fee

Everything would have to go via PAYE though. Be interesting to see our wage bill come the next accounts

Well hopefully it's a wake-up call that you actually need to be a good player to do well in Scotland and that our summer window reflects that.

[RIP]

1. Fair enough.
2. We have been to Hampden 3 times this season?
3. What was his contribution in our push for Europe?
4. Surely that's down to him to come in and play well.
5. Fair point but it's kind of subjective. Still doesn't excuse the fact he has been rubbish.

He has been a flop in a team of flops. But will also go back pointing to a club that was in a shambolic state within months of his arrival

[JimBHibees]

The figures were examples, but yes I believe his salary was topped up by Ron
They thought he would excel in Scotland, and the investment would pay off when he was sold for a decent transfer fee

Everything would have to go via PAYE though. Be interesting to see our wage bill come the next accounts

Why would you believe that?

[Mixu1875]

and alongside this, it has also freed up a significant amount financially that the incoming manager will be able to use to mould the squad in their way

This part of the statement is very telling re his wages. Boy was on a huge wage with us.

[hibee1875]

and alongside this, it has also freed up a significant amount financially that the incoming manager will be able to use to mould the squad in their way

This part of the statement is very telling re his wages. Boy was on a huge wage with us.

Huge wage, or a wage a first team starter would be expecting?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Well Hibs statement is doing nothing to make the £10k a week story go away.. in fact it almost lends itself to it potentially actually being true..

[Mixu1875]

Huge wage, or a wage a first team starter would be expecting?

More like a wage two first team starters would be expecting.

[hibee1875]

More like a wage two first team starters would be expecting.

Where’s that calculation come from?

From reading some words and generating imaginary figures?

[Vault Boy]

Well Hibs statement is doing nothing to make the £10k a week story go away.. in fact it almost lends itself to it potentially actually being true..

Doesn't it just

[Billy Whizz]

Why would you believe that?

Jim I don’t make things up and post it on here, much as other May think otherwise😀

[SaulGoodman]

Sad it didn’t work out but glad that it will save us about 1.9 million a year in wages.

[Mikey_1875]

Good riddance and hopefully a lesson learned for our recruitment team.

[Mixu1875]

Where’s that calculation come from?

From reading some words and generating imaginary figures?

If you want to stick your head in the sand and pretend like it didn’t happen then you go on right ahead. There’s a reason why he’s away back to the States and it isn’t entirely his own choice. His wages caused a rift in the dressing room, he was utter gash in training and the players were fuming about the whole situation. He’s highly thought of back in the US of A so Ron Gordon threw money at him thinking he’s going to light up Scottish football and make us a packet. It was evident very early in to his time with us that he was never going to make it in our squad. Mixture of talent, work rate and the way he got along with the squad.

[SaulGoodman]

If you want to stick your head in the sand and pretend like it didn’t happen then you go on right ahead. There’s a reason why he’s away back to the States and it isn’t entirely his own choice. His wages caused a rift in the dressing room, he was utter gash in training and the players were fuming about the whole situation. He’s highly thought of back in the US of A so Ron Gordon threw money at him thinking he’s going to light up Scottish football and make us a packet. It was evident very early in to his time with us that he was never going to make it in our squad. Mixture of talent, work rate and the way he got along with the squad.

Source?

[Hibs90]

If you want to stick your head in the sand and pretend like it didn’t happen then you go on right ahead. There’s a reason why he’s away back to the States and it isn’t entirely his own choice. His wages caused a rift in the dressing room, he was utter gash in training and the players were fuming about the whole situation. He’s highly thought of back in the US of A so Ron Gordon threw money at him thinking he’s going to light up Scottish football and make us a packet. It was evident very early in to his time with us that he was never going to make it in our squad. Mixture of talent, work rate and the way he got along with the squad.


You've literally made that pish up :faf:

[s.a.m]

That's the club confirming he's away to Chicago Fire.

[hibee1875]

If you want to stick your head in the sand and pretend like it didn’t happen then you go on right ahead. There’s a reason why he’s away back to the States and it isn’t entirely his own choice. His wages caused a rift in the dressing room, he was utter gash in training and the players were fuming about the whole situation. He’s highly thought of back in the US of A so Ron Gordon threw money at him thinking he’s going to light up Scottish football and make us a packet. It was evident very early in to his time with us that he was never going to make it in our squad. Mixture of talent, work rate and the way he got along with the squad.


Pretend like what didn’t happen?

I’m just disputing the Hibs.net fact that he was on £10k a week which you were alluding to in your post.

[Paulie Walnuts]

If you want to stick your head in the sand and pretend like it didn’t happen then you go on right ahead. There’s a reason why he’s away back to the States and it isn’t entirely his own choice. His wages caused a rift in the dressing room, he was utter gash in training and the players were fuming about the whole situation. He’s highly thought of back in the US of A so Ron Gordon threw money at him thinking he’s going to light up Scottish football and make us a packet. It was evident very early in to his time with us that he was never going to make it in our squad. Mixture of talent, work rate and the way he got along with the squad.

In terms of getting on with the squad I actually feel a bit sorry for him in that regard.

Someone who comes out with the stuff he does stands absolutely no chance in a British football dressing room really unless you’re levels above your team mates.

[hibee1875]

In terms of getting on with the squad I actually feel a bit sorry for him in that regard.

Someone who comes out with the stuff he does stands absolutely no chance in a British football dressing room really unless you’re levels above your team mates.


Which is quite sad when you think about it. Not for him, but for people who can’t seem to accept others cultures.

This thread is full of it

[Steve88]

Ben kensill: "Huge amount freed up financially for the new manager... "

Perhaps people need to look at this the positive way. Sure, things didn't work/wasn't as expected but it sounds like Hibs smashed the wage barrier for this lad.

There's no denying Ron wants this club to succeed and smashing the wage barrier is only going to see us (hopefully) bring in considerably higher calibre players than we're used too.

I get folk are hacked off with this season but what would you prefer, a return to the old hierarchy which achieved something once in a decade? Or a new ownership model trying to bring consistent success year on year on..

I know what camp I'm in..

[Mixu1875]

Source?

I know someone who works at the club, plus a woman I work with is very good friends with one of the players wife’s.

[hibee1875]

I know someone who works at the club, plus a woman I work with is very good friends with one of the players wife’s.

My granny’s dogs walkers son who’s pals with a hearts u18 who’s friends dad cuts the grass for an ex Hibs player says otherwise.

[Sir David Gray]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61325514

[Northernhibee]

I do wish him the best. Not his fault that the recruitment team got it wrong on him and seems a good guy. Hope he’s happier and more successful back across the pond.

[The Spaceman]

Good luck to the boy. Square peg in a round hole with us I think - probably a very good footballer who will do well away from the rough and tumble of UK football. Wasn’t through a lack of trying and, if he was on big cash, at least we have cut our losses quickly.

Don’t think anyone can argue that the majority of fans were not very excited about his arrival - he came here with a big rep and I’m glad we had the ambition to try it out.

We go again.

[J-C]

Said he struggled with the pace and physicality of Scottish football, he'll not be the only one that comes here from another league to find out it's not that easy, see Joey Barton etc.

[Mixu1875]

You've literally made that pish up :faf:

Except I didn’t, I have no reason to but whatever, I’m really not arsed whether you (or anyone) says I’m making stuff up.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Which is quite sad when you think about it. Not for him, but for people who can’t seem to accept others cultures.

This thread is full of it

:agree:

[Vault Boy]

If he joined at a different time, in a better performing Hibs side, who knows.

For now, the right call.

[Paulie Walnuts]

If he joined at a different time, in a better performing Hibs side, who knows.

For now, the right call.

Yup. I think he’d have done alright if he was here 5 years earlier.

[Glory Lurker]

It's still Dual Pegasus though.

[Lago]

That's the club confirming he's away to Chicago Fire.
Best outcome for both Hibs and Muller.

[Nicho87]

Did the head of recruitment get that one wrong too

Oh well

[Callum_62]

Did we get a fee?

Sounds like it's possible

Anyway we are just freeing up funds for Boyler returning over the summer

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[Unseen work]

“The player’s salary became a hot topic among Hibs fans, with rumours he was earning as much as £10,000 per week but the Evening News understands that, while the Illinois native was indeed earning a hefty weekly wage, it was nowhere near the quoted figure.”

[JohnM1875]

"freed up a significant amount financially" 👀

[Ronniekirk]

Reported he didn’t settle into Scottish Football so fair enough as it’s not worked out for both parties


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[Smartie]

It's still Dual Pegasus though.

It’s maybe not the legacy either we or he would have wanted but it’s a legacy nonetheless.

[Is It On....]

“The player’s salary became a hot topic among Hibs fans, with rumours he was earning as much as £10,000 per week but the Evening News understands that, while the Illinois native was indeed earning a hefty weekly wage, it was nowhere near the quoted figure.”

"For us, it was vital that this deal made complete sense for the club and alongside this, it has also freed up a significant amount financially that the incoming manager will be able to use to mould the squad in their way."

Maybe not £10k but a "significant amount" does sound like he could have been one of the top earners. Positive that he has gone and hopefully the lessons learned can be incorporated to improve the chances of success for future recruitment

[Glory Lurker]

It’s maybe not the legacy either we or he would have wanted but it’s a legacy nonetheless.

I do mean it affectionately. I'm sorry for the boy that it didn't work out and wish him the best for the future.

[Since452]

Did we get a fee?

Sounds like it's possible

Anyway we are just freeing up funds for Boyler returning over the summer

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Now that would be a good news story.

[Smartie]

I do mean it affectionately. I'm sorry for the boy that it didn't work out and wish him the best for the future.

Me too.

I was still at the “give him time” stage whilst acknowledging that he wasn’t showing nearly enough on the park.

He’s off to play for his home town club, I’m sure he’ll be fine.

[MrRobot]

Although some will spin this negatively as the club being a shambles, it’s good to see that in recent weeks the club have taken action to move on people who are performing well below expectations.

It’s a shame as he seemed a good guy but you could easily see he was out of his depth.

[Brown Hibs]

The Hibs statement pretty much confirms the Sun's article sadly. I'm guessing the folk on here that were saying it was wide of the mark were just guessing.

[Broken Gnome]

The Hibs statement pretty much confirms the Sun's article sadly. I'm guessing the folk on here that were saying it was wide of the mark were just guessing.

Or you could say the exact opposite and it probably has more chance of being true.

[SaulGoodman]

The Hibs statement pretty much confirms the Sun's article sadly. I'm guessing the folk on here that were saying it was wide of the mark were just guessing.

Not even close to confirming it.

[gbhibby]

Well that went Well

[Broken Gnome]

If we has on a significant wage, let's pitch it at 6/7k - a level still uncomfortably large for Hibs - then it would have been with the intention that he'd move and make us significant money. With the hype he came with, I didn't even bank on him being here very long with Hibs being his gateway move into England or Europe.

It didn't work out. Gamble didn't pay off. In a different type of set-up might well have worked, but unless you were really looking to be hyper-critical of Gordon(s) then it's really not the incompetent farce it's being made out to be.

[Brown Hibs]

Not even close to confirming it.

Not even close? What do you read into freeing up a significant amount financially?

[Since90+2]

Not even close? What do you read into freeing up a significant amount financially?

Even if he was on 4k that's a significant amount of money to Hibs. That's over £200k a year basic alone, but it's still far off the 10k that's getting thrown around.

Nobody knows, but I wouldn't read too much into the significant amount line, as 4k for instance a week is significant to Hibs.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

When you start giving your team mates copies of your book you're always going to be in a bit of soapy.

Maybe some good old motivational posters in the dressing room.

[J-C]

When you start giving your team mates copies of your book you're always going to be in a bit of soapy.

Maybe some good old motivational posters in the dressing room.



Should have maybe motivated himself to get stuck into the gym and prove he's as good as he obviously thinks he is instead of scuttling back to USA cause he couldn't hack it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Even if he was on 4k that's a significant amount of money to Hibs. That's over £200k a year basic alone, but it's still far off the 10k that's getting thrown around.

Nobody knows, but I wouldn't read too much into the significant amount line, as 4k for instance a week is significant to Hibs.

I think the reason people will read into it is that it seems a strange comment to make if we’re not paying him a huge wage.

I don’t know who our top earner is - let’s say its Nisbet, Newell or Hanlon. I highly doubt there’ll be any mention of getting a significant wage off the bill when any of them leave.

Hibs mentioning it obviously doesn’t confirm anything, especially the amount. It does seem like a bit of a nod to the idea that he’s on a hell of a lot of money for a Hibs player though.

[Since90+2]

I think the reason people will read into it is that it seems a strange comment to make if we’re not paying him a huge wage.

I don’t know who our top earner is - let’s say its Nisbet, Newell or Hanlon. I highly doubt there’ll be any mention of getting a significant wage off the bill when any of them leave.

Or the club realise it's not worked out and are trying to turn it into a positive rather than a negative.

[MrSmith]

I’m glad he’s gone as was never convinced from the start. Very few American players make it in Europe and CM was a bit flowery from the off. Good luck in his future career though 👍

[Aldo]

It didn’t work. Well done to the lad for trying.

Thanks Chris all the best!

Players struggle at every team.

Nothing to see here unless you are the tabloid press who will more than likely use it to once again show the club in a negative way!


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[Waxy]

Good luck for the future.
Scottish football isnt that bad after all

[bigwheel]

Came over a nice guy . Think it is good we tried something different . Shame it never worked out . Best of luck to him and good on us for sorting it out early on .

[GreenCastle]

Good luck to the guy.

Tried something different - didn’t work out.

Seemed to try to understand the club but unfortunately not a good time to be at Hibs with the change of managers and lack of game time.

Will go back to MLS and will keep an eye how he gets on. He probably needs to add more goals / assists to his game and definitely more upper body strength as seemed to lack that over here.

[Sioux]

Even if he was on 4k that's a significant amount of money to Hibs. That's over £200k a year basic alone, but it's still far off the 10k that's getting thrown around.

Nobody knows, but I wouldn't read too much into the significant amount line, as 4k for instance a week is significant to Hibs.

Exactly, and over a three year period, that's over £600,000. I'd say for a club like Hibs that is a substantial amount. Good money to use for another player.

[Brooster]

The minute he stepped on to the pitch at half time when he first arrived to tell us what he was going to do to the mutants I knew he would be Tom Kite.

[Tyler Durden]

I think the reason people will read into it is that it seems a strange comment to make if we’re not paying him a huge wage.

I don’t know who our top earner is - let’s say its Nisbet, Newell or Hanlon. I highly doubt there’ll be any mention of getting a significant wage off the bill when any of them leave.

Hibs mentioning it obviously doesn’t confirm anything, especially the amount. It does seem like a bit of a nod to the idea that he’s on a hell of a lot of money for a Hibs player though.

There’s not many players we sign with such an OTT fanfare that we then allow to leave 4 months later for free.

Reads to me like they’re simply trying to find any positive to take from a shambolic episode.

[Lago]

:top marks
It didn’t work. Well done to the lad for trying.

Thanks Chris all the best!

Players struggle at every team.

Nothing to see here unless you are the tabloid press who will more than likely use it to once again show the club in a negative way!


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[HH81]

There’s not many players we sign with such an OTT fanfare that we then allow to leave 4 months later for free.

Reads to me like they’re simply trying to find any positive to take from a shambolic episode.

Not great but time to move on I guess.

All the best to Mueller. He just wasn't good enough.

[LancsHibs]

Wonder if the ‘Mueller situation’ has something to do with Maloney’s express departure? Wonder if he had it out with our recruitment team, told them their star man was gash and couldn’t work with him? Exit Maloney followed by Mueller.
To be fair both were failed experiments, neither will be missed but good look to both in the future.

[high bee]

I don’t believe it is £10k but here’s hoping it was and Ron is happy to bankroll a chunk of that. I can’t wait to see what the new manager can do with those funds.


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[erin go bragh]

There’s not many players we sign with such an OTT fanfare that we then allow to leave 4 months later for free.

Reads to me like they’re simply trying to find any positive to take from a shambolic episode.

Alan O’Brien was another over hyped player that turned out to be murder

[Inconsequential]

BREAKING NEWS... Hibernian have signed another American striker! This one goes by the name Crystal...:thumbsup:

[hibee1875]

When you start giving your team mates copies of your book you're always going to be in a bit of soapy.

Maybe some good old motivational posters in the dressing room.

Is that because it was an American and the book was all about motivation?

Or was it just because it was a book and not say an NFT.

Would you have posted this if someone of greater stature had joined and handed their book out?

[Greencore]

BREAKING NEWS... Hibernian have signed another American striker! This one goes by the name Crystal...:thumbsup:

From Orlando too ...

[Is It On....]

If we has on a significant wage, let's pitch it at 6/7k - a level still uncomfortably large for Hibs - then it would have been with the intention that he'd move and make us significant money. With the hype he came with, I didn't even bank on him being here very long with Hibs being his gateway move into England or Europe.

It didn't work out. Gamble didn't pay off. In a different type of set-up might well have worked, but unless you were really looking to be hyper-critical of Gordon(s) then it's really not the incompetent farce it's being made out to be.

If you work somewhere and a new person comes in that you suspect is on significantly more than existing employees they really have to deliver or its demoralising for the "legacy staff". Having someone in the squad,even for a short time time, that is plainly out of their depth is farcical. It's a serious failure of the recruitment process that really can't happen again.

[Inconsequential]

from orlando too ... Omg! 10k a week!

[Since452]

There’s not many players we sign with such an OTT fanfare that we then allow to leave 4 months later for free.

Reads to me like they’re simply trying to find any positive to take from a shambolic episode.

Who created the fanfare? I think it was more the fans building him up to unrealistic levels of expectation. There were folk saying on here that he was an amazing signing and would be brilliant etc. The club just announced a signing like they would anyone else. What didn't help was having to wait until January for him to arrive. Just built up the excitement more to the eventual unsurprising anticlimax. Not the clubs fault or the players fault.

[SHODAN]

So the line is that we punted him partly because he was a bit ***** and also because he was homesick?

I assumed the poor performances were a settling in thing and that he'd be fine after a pre-season. I think he just didn't cope well with being in another country, which is perfectly reasonable.

[Sioux]

Wonder if the ‘Mueller situation’ has something to do with Maloney’s express departure? Wonder if he had it out with our recruitment team, told them their star man was gash and couldn’t work with him? Exit Maloney followed by Mueller.
To be fair both were failed experiments, neither will be missed but good look to both in the future.

What??

That's some imagination.

[Mcbizz1998]

Got to say I’m disappointed. Was really excited by the signing and thought with a new manager and full pre-season, we might have had a decent player.

But if he wanted away then fair enough.

[ShetlandHibby]

Good, he was pap!

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Is that because it was an American and the book was all about motivation?

Or was it just because it was a book and not say an NFT.

Would you have posted this if someone of greater stature had joined and handed their book out?

Never mentioned anything about nationality btw. Anyone new walking into a place of employment and handing out a book is a bit strange.

Completely get this for certain individuals in the world of academia, medical or business handing a paper to individuals that they may feel its relevant to but for any professional footballer handing out to team mates he's never met? To me that's a bit strange.

Apologies if that's upset set you but it's my opinion and like ********s, everybody's got one.

[FitbaFolkKen]

Let's wait for confirmation before we savage the guy?

Lets go!

I'm actually gutted he wasn't magic, would have been a great story.

I'm pleased the club was ambitious enough to try it, but like with Maloney, they were quick to act when it didn't work out. It could have ended up in a situation similar to Rodwell at Sunderland. I applaud the ambition and that we are clearing the decks to give the new manager the best possible chance. We don't appear to be hiding from mistakes.

Good luck Chris.

Excited for the summer #BTB

[GreenArmy1875]

Actually embarrassing some of the comments I have seen from hibs fans regarding Mueller. Boy came in and it didn't work out. That happens. He was positive in his outlook in life and good on him. It has clearly worked for him as he is earning more money than most. Wish him all the best. Tried his best and it just didn't work out.

[Callum_62]

Actually embarrassing some of the comments I have seen from hibs fans regarding Mueller. Boy came in and it didn't work out. That happens. He was positive in his outlook in life and good on him. It has clearly worked for him as he is earning more money than most. Wish him all the best. Tried his best and it just didn't work out.Anyone being a bit differnet and positive is like a moth to the flame for the miserable among us

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[heretoday]

He's rubbish.

[Scottie]

Actually embarrassing some of the comments I have seen from hibs fans regarding Mueller. Boy came in and it didn't work out. That happens. He was positive in his outlook in life and good on him. It has clearly worked for him as he is earning more money than most. Wish him all the best. Tried his best and it just didn't work out.
:agree: Good post mate

[Callum_62]

He's rubbish.Say what you mean [emoji23]

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[maturehibby]

In case anyone might have forgotten we still have an American player who is on loan back to Charleston Battery .
The club signed him then lent him back to Charleston.
So it's likely he will be here later in the year for pre season training .
His name is EJ Johnston (Emanuel)

[ClermistonGreen]

In case anyone might have forgotten we still have an American player who is on loan back to Charleston Battery .
The club signed him then lent him back to Charleston.
So it's likely he will be here later in the year for pre season training .
His name is EJ Johnston (Emanuel)


God bless him

[Scotty Leither]

In case anyone might have forgotten we still have an American player who is on loan back to Charleston Battery .
The club signed him then lent him back to Charleston.
So it's likely he will be here later in the year for pre season training .
His name is EJ Johnston (Emanuel)

What position does he play? What's his playing pedigree?

[Dashing Bob S]

Anybody think he could still do a job for us?

[superfurryhibby]

Actually embarrassing some of the comments I have seen from hibs fans regarding Mueller. Boy came in and it didn't work out. That happens. He was positive in his outlook in life and good on him. It has clearly worked for him as he is earning more money than most. Wish him all the best. Tried his best and it just didn't work out.

You were doing alright until you mentioned the more money than most. Good effort though.

[Ronniekirk]

Anybody think he could still do a job for us?

Who ?


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[1875Sean]

What position does he play? What's his playing pedigree?

Sure he is a right back signed for the b team so wouldn’t expect him included with the first team right away

[marinello59]

Anybody think he could still do a job for us?

I’d rather he didn’t come back. We have our memories of his time with us when he was at the peak of his powers.

[Clarence]

Anybody think he could still do a job for us?

Don’t feel sore Bobby, Chris ain’t leaving because he don’t love us no more, there are just some other folks out there who need him to spread love and light in their lives more than we do right now.

[SaulGoodman]

It was short lived, but I’m extremely grateful for everything and everyone I met during my time in Edinburgh. Thank you @HibernianFC for the opportunity and support. Yous will always have a special place in my heart. Thank you, Hibees. All love 💚
.

[bigwheel]

.

Nice touch from him …

[j'adorehibs]

What worries me is this Ben Kensell quote from BBC website "Chris found it difficult to adapt to the pace and physicality of the Scottish Premiership"

Surely the recruitment team would have been aware of this? No? Just that comment makes me think we probably shouldnt be looking at any MLS
players born and bred in the USA and why this Charleston Battery connection is possibly a complete waste of time.

Im trying to think of US players who have had good careers in the SPFL - was one guy for the huns i recall ?!

I was excited by Chris's signing but all in all a damp squib.

[RIP]

https://www.themaneland.com/2022/5/4/23057235/orlando-citys-return-on-investment-for-chris-mueller-improves

When you read through the detail in that article it’s so obvious that Mueller had a golden season in 2020 but has had ineffective seasons on either side. So maybe the MSL knew more than our recruitment team after all?

[Spudster]

Im trying to think of US players who have had good careers in the SPFL - was one guy for the huns i recall ?!


Claudio Reyna. Brilliant player at a time when they had Alberto, Ferguson, Gio VB, kanchelskis, Tugay and maybe even Arteta. I’ve probably spanned about 8 years there 😂

[j'adorehibs]

Claudio Reyna. Brilliant player at a time when they had Alberto, Ferguson, Gio VB, kanchelskis, Tugay and maybe even Arteta. I’ve probably spanned about 8 years there 😂

thats the one. thanks

[Sir David Gray]

What worries me is this Ben Kensell quote from BBC website "Chris found it difficult to adapt to the pace and physicality of the Scottish Premiership"

Surely the recruitment team would have been aware of this? No? Just that comment makes me think we probably shouldnt be looking at any MLS
players born and bred in the USA and why this Charleston Battery connection is possibly a complete waste of time.

Im trying to think of US players who have had good careers in the SPFL - was one guy for the huns i recall ?!

I was excited by Chris's signing but all in all a damp squib.

They had a few who were decent.

Claudio Reyna
DaMarcus Beasley
Maurice Edu

[Lago]

It didn't work out, but it was worth a punt, he won't be the first to fail to meet expectations.

[JimBHibees]

They had a few who were decent.

Claudio Reyna
DaMarcus Beasley
Maurice Edu

Carlos Bocanegra

[Sergio sledge]

What worries me is this Ben Kensell quote from BBC website "Chris found it difficult to adapt to the pace and physicality of the Scottish Premiership"

Surely the recruitment team would have been aware of this? No? Just that comment makes me think we probably shouldnt be looking at any MLS
players born and bred in the USA and why this Charleston Battery connection is possibly a complete waste of time.

Im trying to think of US players who have had good careers in the SPFL - was one guy for the huns i recall ?!

I was excited by Chris's signing but all in all a damp squib.

I was a bit worried when he came and did a podcast discussing the differences he noticed and he made a comment about having to do gym work and never having done that in the MLS before. When we saw him on the pitch you could see he was quite lightweight, and if he was having to catch up with years of gym work just to get to the sort of level where he could cope physically it was always going to be difficult.

Strange that there was no gym work required in the MLS, but I guess if the game is less physical then players clearly don't think it is required.

[GreenCastle]

I was a bit worried when he came and did a podcast discussing the differences he noticed and he made a comment about having to do gym work and never having done that in the MLS before. When we saw him on the pitch you could see he was quite lightweight, and if he was having to catch up with years of gym work just to get to the sort of level where he could cope physically it was always going to be difficult.

Strange that there was no gym work required in the MLS, but I guess if the game is less physical then players clearly don't think it is required.

That's an odd quote from him as there is definitely gym work in the MLS teams.

It's nearly impossible to become a pro without doing weights etc - let alone the testing they do.

Here is a clip from last nights final which Seattle won - https://youtu.be/zCK9GbOF3Zo

It's a fast paced game and physical too - I think Mueller just needed to be sharper and quicker on the ball.

[Sergio sledge]

That's an odd quote from him as there is definitely gym work in the MLS teams.

It's nearly impossible to become a pro without doing weights etc - let alone the testing they do.

Here is a clip from last nights final which Seattle won - https://youtu.be/zCK9GbOF3Zo

It's a fast paced game and physical too - I think Mueller just needed to be sharper and quicker on the ball.

Yeah I thought it was an odd thing to say as well to be honest. I would have thought it would be an essential part of all football clubs, but he seemed to suggest it wasn't. Perhaps we do more structured gym work here as a team where it is more left to the individual over in the MLS, but still seemed odd to me.

[JeMeSouviens]

I was a bit worried when he came and did a podcast discussing the differences he noticed and he made a comment about having to do gym work and never having done that in the MLS before. When we saw him on the pitch you could see he was quite lightweight, and if he was having to catch up with years of gym work just to get to the sort of level where he could cope physically it was always going to be difficult.

Strange that there was no gym work required in the MLS, but I guess if the game is less physical then players clearly don't think it is required.

I think by physicality he probably means that by and large defenders are still allowed to kick you out of the game in a way they aren't any more in other leagues.

[blackpoolhibs]

BREAKING NEWS... Hibernian have signed another American striker! This one goes by the name Crystal...:thumbsup:

Aye its crystal meth, here to make us forget the last 6 months.:rolleyes:

[jacomo]

Aye its crystal meth, here to make us forget the last 6 months.:rolleyes:


Ron Gordon is… Heisenberg??

That’s a plot twist.

[Since452]

Claudio Reyna. Brilliant player at a time when they had Alberto, Ferguson, Gio VB, kanchelskis, Tugay and maybe even Arteta. I’ve probably spanned about 8 years there ��

They really did have some brilliant players. Quite funny that the horrible ***** hardly made a ripple in Europe with the EBT talent they had at their disposal.

[WeeRussell]

What worries me is this Ben Kensell quote from BBC website "Chris found it difficult to adapt to the pace and physicality of the Scottish Premiership"

Surely the recruitment team would have been aware of this? No? Just that comment makes me think we probably shouldnt be looking at any MLS
players born and bred in the USA and why this Charleston Battery connection is possibly a complete waste of time.

Im trying to think of US players who have had good careers in the SPFL - was one guy for the huns i recall ?!

I was excited by Chris's signing but all in all a damp squib.

Reyna was quality and there hasn’t been many US players over here.

I agree the Mueller signing has ultimately been a let down, particularly with the prolonged hype and hope that he would be what we needed. However I wouldn’t write-off the whole of the USA because of Chris Meuller.

I just think he turned out to be not very good.

[JimBHibees]

I think by physicality he probably means that by and large defenders are still allowed to kick you out of the game in a way they aren't any more in other leagues.

Fair point

[JimBHibees]

Aye its crystal meth, here to make us forget the last 6 months.:rolleyes:

😄

[Scotty Leither]

Yeah I thought it was an odd thing to say as well to be honest. I would have thought it would be an essential part of all football clubs, but he seemed to suggest it wasn't. Perhaps we do more structured gym work here as a team where it is more left to the individual over in the MLS, but still seemed odd to me.


That's some admission from Kensell re the physicality of Mueller.

I would imagine the other two brought over the States and returned home weren't physically up to it either. Maybe the famed recruitment committee might want to expand their number to include somebody that knows the physical demands of the Scottish game, Ben?

[Hibs90]

https://www.chicagofirefc.com/news/chicago-fire-fc-acquire-chicagoland-native-chris-mueller-from-scottish-premier-l


So we are actually getting nothing then?

[Sir David Gray]

https://www.chicagofirefc.com/news/chicago-fire-fc-acquire-chicagoland-native-chris-mueller-from-scottish-premier-l


So we are actually getting nothing then?

Yep looks like it, seems like Orlando have ended up with a far bigger deal out of this than we have.

[Hibernian Verse]

https://www.chicagofirefc.com/news/chicago-fire-fc-acquire-chicagoland-native-chris-mueller-from-scottish-premier-l


So we are actually getting nothing then?

His contract was terminated to free up wages.

[Since452]

Yep looks like it, seems like Orlando have ended up with a far bigger deal out of this than we have.

They're getting a poor player for free just like we did

[Sir David Gray]

They're getting a poor player for free just like we did

He was a poor player for the Scottish league, not necessarily in the American league.

He was also out of contract with Orlando when we signed him but yet we've ended up with no financial gain out of it despite him leaving us 4 months into a 3 or 4 year contract and Orlando have ended up with at least $500,000 out of it after initially he left them on a free transfer.

[green day]

Yep looks like it, seems like Orlando have ended up with a far bigger deal out of this than we have.


Contractual situation in the MLS, clearly.

If you want a comparison, think when Cadden left Well for the USA, they got hee haw. If he had gone to a Scottish club, compensation would be due.

Sounds like a variation on that to me.

We got him for free - and he was mince - not sure why we would expect anything other than "free" as a fee tbqhwy.

[snedzuk]

Ron Gordon is… Heisenberg??

That’s a plot twist.

Say my name, Keano..

[Mixu1875]

https://www.chicagofirefc.com/news/chicago-fire-fc-acquire-chicagoland-native-chris-mueller-from-scottish-premier-l


So we are actually getting nothing then?

So much for Hibs saying the terms of the deal would remains undisclosed 😂

[Billy Whizz]

https://www.chicagofirefc.com/news/chicago-fire-fc-acquire-chicagoland-native-chris-mueller-from-scottish-premier-l


So we are actually getting nothing then?

Surely our Ben isn’t telling porkies

[degenerated]

https://www.chicagofirefc.com/news/chicago-fire-fc-acquire-chicagoland-native-chris-mueller-from-scottish-premier-l


So we are actually getting nothing then?There's a lot gams being given according to that article so someone is doing alright :hilarious

[Since452]

Surely our Ben isn’t telling porkies

About what?

[Billy Whizz]

About what?

Usually when you read “terms are undisclosed” you’re expecting they don’t want to reveal the value of the transfer fee. Although to be fair he didn’t mention we were getting a fee

[BSEJVT]

You could take the view that we were bloody lucky to find someone prepared to pay the £500,000 to Orlando necessary to take him off our hands.

If the price of them doing that was that it freed up the wages of a player who was never ever going to be any use for us then I still think it is a good deal.

The alternative is we were stuck with him and if we tried to tag a fee on the end that may also have been the outcome.

Mueller isn't the first and won't be the last player we have wasted a ton of money paying wages to who was never up to the task.

Yet reading this thread you would think that we are way back to the creation of the world when folk found out everything anew and never had any context to shape it within.

Either that or their minds are so set against the club that they can only see the downside in any situation and the upside just never occurs to them

[LeithMike]

Mueller isn't the first and won't be the last player we have wasted a ton of money paying wages to who was never up to the task.

That's fair enough if you have a manager who has identified the player as one he wants and has a purpose for him. It's completely different though if this is someone with no real football knowledge taking a punt and trying to speculate on a player.

Also, just to add, we don't know if Hibs have had to pay up any of Mueller's wages to get him to move.

Its important that lessons are learned - that's certainly not criticism for the sake of it.

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[ZitellZeTime]

He didn't looks great but he was coming of a full season in USA, month off and them thrown in at the deep end. Wasn't the fastest but has bit of skill, decent shot and seems to link up well with other players from what I had seen. I thought after a pre season and with better players around him he would be different next season similar to Claros.

I suppose Maloney now Gray temp and other coaches see's him in training every dayand obviously hasn't been great in training either or I think they would have gave him the pre season.

But how long was his contract the article I read said that he wanted to play every week but wasn't used to the speed etc of the game here yet so we have released him and although his wage is lower than being touted it will free up a sizeable chunk for the new manager but doesn't actually say roughly what he was on. Have they gave us a fee for him? Bought out the rest of his contract or something and that is where this sizeable chunk is that will help the manager budget due to him being released? I can't find that anywhere I search.
Noticed neither the writer or Kensall mentioned the Boyle fee though, surely thats going towards the budget too?

EDIT: I'm even more confused now, I just noticed someone above saying that team payed Orlando 500k to take him of our hands, but we signed him from Orlando and it wasn't a loan so I had a look and it says they got him on a free transfer but then says:

To acquire the MLS priority for Mueller, the Fire sent $500,000 in General Allocation Money (GAM) – $250,000 in 2022 GAM and $250,000 in 2023 GAM – to Orlando City SC. Additionally, Orlando City will receive the Fire’s natural first round selection in the 2023 MLS SuperDraft and the MLS discovery rights to an unnamed player. Orlando will also retain a percentage of any future transfer fee for Mueller and could receive an additional $150,000 in GAM if he achieves certain performance-based metrics with the Fire.

I have to ****ing idea how the MLS work things, but why is the money going to Orlando and not us? It sounds like the ****ing NFL which I don't understand either.

[theonlywayisup]

My abiding memory of Mueller was at the end of a home defeat against (I think) St Mirren was him standing still with hands on hips, looking towards an emptying stand with those fans that were present vocally not happy. It was as if he was thinking "what am I doing here". I wish him the best, but he was clearly not good enough.

[Billy Whizz]

He didn't looks great but he was coming of a full season in USA, month off and them thrown in at the deep end. Wasn't the fastest but has bit of skill, decent shot and seems to link up well with other players from what I had seen. I thought after a pre season and with better players around him he would be different next season similar to Claros.

I suppose Maloney now Gray temp and other coaches see's him in training every dayand obviously hasn't been great in training either or I think they would have gave him the pre season.

But how long was his contract the article I read said that he wanted to play every week but wasn't used to the speed etc of the game here yet so we have released him and although his wage is lower than being touted it will free up a sizeable chunk for the new manager but doesn't actually say roughly what he was on. Have they gave us a fee for him? Bought out the rest of his contract or something and that is where this sizeable chunk is that will help the manager budget due to him being released? I can't find that anywhere I search.
Noticed neither the writer or Kensall mentioned the Boyle fee though, surely thats going towards the budget too?

EDIT: I'm even more confused now, I just noticed someone above saying that team payed Orlando 500k to take him of our hands, but we signed him from Orlando and it wasn't a loan so I had a look and it says they got him on a free transfer but then says:

To acquire the MLS priority for Mueller, the Fire sent $500,000 in General Allocation Money (GAM) – $250,000 in 2022 GAM and $250,000 in 2023 GAM – to Orlando City SC. Additionally, Orlando City will receive the Fire’s natural first round selection in the 2023 MLS SuperDraft and the MLS discovery rights to an unnamed player. Orlando will also retain a percentage of any future transfer fee for Mueller and could receive an additional $150,000 in GAM if he achieves certain performance-based metrics with the Fire.

I have to ****ing idea how the MLS work things, but why is the money going to Orlando and not us? It sounds like the ****ing NFL which I don't understand either.

I think it’s possibly the equivalent of our development fee. If a player was to move down south/USA and came back quickly, a development fee would be involved
Think Motherwell got something when Cadden header over the Atlantic, then went to Oxford Utd

[ZitellZeTime]

I think it’s possibly the equivalent of our development fee. If a player was to move down south/USA and came back quickly, a development fee would be involved
Think Motherwell got something when Cadden header over the Atlantic, then went to Oxford Utd

Ah thanks, makes sense now just the way its worded "GAM" "Superdraft" etc had me confused. Wonder what his wage though, the Edinburgh news one I read says it was a sizeable chunk less than what has been touted but must still have been high.

We were trying to get him in early for a fee aswell, with the way things have worked out and him wanting to go back home lucky we didnt spend that money.

[ZitellZeTime]

Alan O’Brien was another over hyped player that turned out to be murder

Don't disrespect Ivan Sproule on a Motorbike like that !

[CapitalGreen]

This is why Orlando were sent GAM as part of the deal:

”Right of First Refusal

Former MLS Player

Subject to rules regarding the Re-Entry Draft and Free Agency, if a former MLS player, who the League previously attempted but was unable to re-sign, returns to MLS, his former club will have a Right of First Refusal.

That club will not have a Right of First Refusal if:
- The club received any consideration in connection with the transfer of such player to a non-MLS club; or
- The player was excluded from possible selection in the Expansion Draft.”
https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/2022-mls-roster-rules-and-regulations

GAM is essentially a proportion of the budget each club receives as part of the salary cap mechanism. Any unused budget can be given to other teams in exchange for the rights to other MLS players.

[ZitellZeTime]

They had a few who were decent.

Claudio Reyna
DaMarcus Beasley
Maurice Edu

Aye they had that Hyndman that came to us for a wee while as well who wasn't that great. They do seem to produce some decent players, Reyna was a great wee player even though he played for them, had quite a lot of injurys once he was down south though. Seem to be more goalkeepers that have been decent, can't remember their names apart from that Friedl or however it was spelt, Keller and Howard were decent keepers and im sure theres been another one or two keepers from there down south too.

Clint Dempsey was a decent outfield player scored decent amount of goals, same with that Mcbride boy down south, there is Pulisic at Chelsea who is class and that Sargant at Norwhich, hasn't scored many goals but still young and has been hit with injurys too.

They seem to be a hit or a miss, the ones with the most hype seem to be the worst. That Landon Donovan was in all the football magazines back when magazines were still sold regularly and I thought he was going to be class from what I read but he did pish at Everton, and that Freddy Adu boy they made an even bigger deal out of, sure they were comparing him to old legends of the game lol, he went to benfica or monaco or something then never heard of him again, I actually forgot he existed until thinking about American players.

Been a few decent ones in top leagues in europe too but again most of them apart from Germany play slower more technical football with a lot less physical and speed.

I'm still not sure that's the reason Mueller is off though, he wasn't the fastest and didn't stand out but he didn't seem bothered by the physical side of things and looked ok and I thought would be good after the year, but when the Edinburgh news article says he was on a chunk less of a wage than being touted that still means he might not have been on 10k a week but definitely a a lot, I honestly didn't know he was one of our top earners until today.

I suppose it makes sense, if they're one of the top earners they should've shown something great atleast in the odd game by now or in training.

Edit, Howard and Keller were the other two keepers, I had to google cos I knew there were another couple, it also said that almost 50% of American players that have gone to England were signed by the same 4 clubs.

[ZitellZeTime]

This is why Orlando were sent GAM as part of the deal:

”Right of First Refusal

Former MLS Player

Subject to rules regarding the Re-Entry Draft and Free Agency, if a former MLS player, who the League previously attempted but was unable to re-sign, returns to MLS, his former club will have a Right of First Refusal.

That club will not have a Right of First Refusal if:
- The club received any consideration in connection with the transfer of such player to a non-MLS club; or
- The player was excluded from possible selection in the Expansion Draft.”
https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/2022-mls-roster-rules-and-regulations

GAM is essentially a proportion of the budget each club receives as part of the salary cap mechanism. Any unused budget can be given to other teams in exchange for the rights to other MLS players.

Cheers mate. Makes total sense now. I keep seeing draft everywhere. Is football run over there similar to like the NFL, they have like the college and they snap loadss of them up with the picks or whatever it is they call it?

[CapitalGreen]

Cheers mate. Makes total sense now. I keep seeing draft everywhere. Is football run over there similar to like the NFL, they have like the college and they snap loadss of them up with the picks or whatever it is they call it?

Yeah it’s similar but not exactly the same. i believe they are introducing a youth system called MLS Next so players no longer need to go through the college system and draft before entering the league.

[Jones28]

It’s a shame for him and us it didn’t work out, all it’s cost us is 5 months wages so can’t really complain.

[Alfred E Newman]

It’s a shame for him and us it didn’t work out, all it’s cost us is 5 months wages so can’t really complain.

Bringing Mueller here as another expensive experiment instead of spending money on a decent experienced goal scorer probably cost us a top six place and potential European place. So I would say it’s more a shame for us than him.

[ZitellZeTime]

Yeah it’s similar but not exactly the same. i believe they are introducing a youth system called MLS Next so players no longer need to go through the college system and draft before entering the league.

I didn't know that, they've done decent at some World Cups in the past, they got to last 16 in 2010 and 2014 and im sure they made the quarter finals one time too and the place is huge with over 300 million people.

I read its the 3rd biggest played sport over there now too so you'd think with this restructuring etc that they will start producing more decent players. Its America though so **** knows.

[CapitalGreen]

Bringing Mueller here as another expensive experiment instead of spending money on a decent experienced goal scorer probably cost us a top six place and potential European place. So I would say it’s more a shame for us than him.

In hindsight we could have done with a new striker for the 2nd half of the season. However, when Mueller was signed last summer our front three was made up of 2 internationalists and a 28 year old who had scored a combined 69 goals the previous season. At the point the decision to sign him was made there was absolutely no need for us to invest in an experienced goal scorer.

[Haymaker]

Yeah it’s similar but not exactly the same. i believe they are introducing a youth system called MLS Next so players no longer need to go through the college system and draft before entering the league.

Most teams have a "second team" in the tier below which they use for young players and reserves, for example Energy Drink FC 2 play against Charleston Battery.

There's been a few who have skipped college, one I know personally, but to Americans it is a huge ask to give up what would probably be a free education to go pro. I believe the clubs do help with the costs though should they not make it/participate part time

[CapitalGreen]

Most teams have a "second team" in the tier below which they use for young players and reserves, for example Energy Drink FC 2 play against Charleston Battery.

There's been a few who have skipped college, one I know personally, but to Americans it is a huge ask to give up what would probably be a free education to go pro. I believe the clubs do help with the costs though should they not make it/participate part time

From this year the MLS has created a new league (tier 3) for these teams to compete against each other instead of them being in the USL Champ, USL 1 or NISL. It’s probably more about keeping revenues from these second teams within MLS though in reality. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MLS_Next_Pro

[itslegaltender]

From this year the MLS has created a new league (tier 3) for these teams to compete against each other instead of them being in the USL Champ, USL 1 or NISL. It’s probably more about keeping revenues from these second teams within MLS though in reality. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MLS_Next_Pro

I watch Atlanta2 Utd regularly when I’m over as the play close to where I stay. That level is really low. Had the chance to see Tampa Bay Rowdies last time around though which was cool. The main Atlanta Utd team play in the Mercedes Benz and regularly get 50k at their games. Atmosphere is really good. Huge bank of fans behind the goal singing all through the game. Standard I think below our league but Yanks are infatuated with the tourist league down South and they immediately diss anything else in UK as inferior. I’m hoping we get to the WC and give them a spanking.

[Green_one]

My abiding memory of Mueller was at the end of a home defeat against (I think) St Mirren was him standing still with hands on hips, looking towards an emptying stand with those fans that were present vocally not happy. It was as if he was thinking "what am I doing here". I wish him the best, but he was clearly not good enough.

Really going to miss all his motivational stuff …. NOT

Getting a clean separation is one of the better results in the modern game. Not paying his wages while he sits on the bench, treatment room or loaned to another side

Never had any expectation that the narrative around him was correct, so I am not disappointed

[Jones28]

Bringing Mueller here as another expensive experiment instead of spending money on a decent experienced goal scorer probably cost us a top six place and potential European place. So I would say it’s more a shame for us than him.

It was worth giving it a shot IMO.

[Tyler Durden]

Bringing Mueller here as another expensive experiment instead of spending money on a decent experienced goal scorer probably cost us a top six place and potential European place. So I would say it’s more a shame for us than him.

Let me start by saying I thought he was pretty rubbish and it's definitely been a shocker of a signing BUT.....

If Melkersen scores an open goal vs Dundee Utd, we are in the top 6 and Mueller would be taking plaudits for a great assist. Equally he should have had a penalty in that game.

If Doidge stayed fit or Jack Ross was still the manager (or we had any kind of decent manager) we could possibly have seen alot more from Mueller.

It's unfortunately just been a perfect storm of bad luck and mismanagement during his 5 months at Hibs. He wasn't great but it's not like we've paid millions for George Weah's cousin or something. It was just a gamble that didn't pay off. It's being blown out of proportion at the moment.

[MWHIBBIES]

Don't think bringing in muller was a bad idea at all. Looked a great player. Just didn't work out.

[jacomo]

Bringing Mueller here as another expensive experiment instead of spending money on a decent experienced goal scorer probably cost us a top six place and potential European place. So I would say it’s more a shame for us than him.


It’s been bad for all parties.

I liked him but we seemed to give no thought at all as to how he would fit into the team. Maybe things could have worked out better.

Anyhow, best wishes Chris!

[brog]

Let me start by saying I thought he was pretty rubbish and it's definitely been a shocker of a signing BUT.....

If Melkersen scores an open goal vs Dundee Utd, we are in the top 6 and Mueller would be taking plaudits for a great assist. Equally he should have had a penalty in that game.

If Doidge stayed fit or Jack Ross was still the manager (or we had any kind of decent manager) we could possibly have seen alot more from Mueller.

It's unfortunately just been a perfect storm of bad luck and mismanagement during his 5 months at Hibs. He wasn't great but it's not like we've paid millions for George Weah's cousin or something. It was just a gamble that didn't pay off. It's being blown out of proportion at the moment.

Excellent post

[WhileTheChief..]

We sign loads of players who make next to no contribution and then leave because they're not up to it.

There will probably be a few more leaving soon.

Absolutely no big deal at all. Happens at every club in the land.

[Oscar T Grouch]

Don't think bringing in muller was a bad idea at all. Looked a great player. Just didn't work out.

:agree: Some players work out, some players don't. I think it is good we are looking to different markets than normal, CM could have ended up being a tricky wee winger with 10 assists a season and a few goals, unfortunately he came into a team that had just sold it best player and tops scorer, who's international striker got a long term injury and who's third striker who scored a bucket load last season couldn't find his striking boots after coming back from a bad injury.

[CapitalGreen]

Let me start by saying I thought he was pretty rubbish and it's definitely been a shocker of a signing BUT.....

If Melkersen scores an open goal vs Dundee Utd, we are in the top 6 and Mueller would be taking plaudits for a great assist. Equally he should have had a penalty in that game.

If Doidge stayed fit or Jack Ross was still the manager (or we had any kind of decent manager) we could possibly have seen alot more from Mueller.

It's unfortunately just been a perfect storm of bad luck and mismanagement during his 5 months at Hibs. He wasn't great but it's not like we've paid millions for George Weah's cousin or something. It was just a gamble that didn't pay off. It's being blown out of proportion at the moment.

In regards to your third paragraph, I also think Maloney’s system did nothing for Mueller’s style of play. Watching his highlights on youtube before he came, most of them were part of counter attacks or from winning the ball back by pressing the opposition high up the field. If that’s the style of play he’s suited to then he was always going to struggle as part of Maloney’s slow, turgid playing out from the back style. It’s a shame it didn’t work out as he seemed like a good lad with a good attitude.

[Scooter]

I honestly think he would have come great for us. But I think if we are pay 10k a week on someone then we shouldn't be waiting for someone to come good

[beensaidbefore]

Let me start by saying I thought he was pretty rubbish and it's definitely been a shocker of a signing BUT.....

If Melkersen scores an open goal vs Dundee Utd, we are in the top 6 and Mueller would be taking plaudits for a great assist. Equally he should have had a penalty in that game.

If Doidge stayed fit or Jack Ross was still the manager (or we had any kind of decent manager) we could possibly have seen alot more from Mueller.

It's unfortunately just been a perfect storm of bad luck and mismanagement during his 5 months at Hibs. He wasn't great but it's not like we've paid millions for George Weah's cousin or something. It was just a gamble that didn't pay off. It's being blown out of proportion at the moment.


good post.

[Coco Bryce]

Let me start by saying I thought he was pretty rubbish and it's definitely been a shocker of a signing BUT.....

If Melkersen scores an open goal vs Dundee Utd, we are in the top 6 and Mueller would be taking plaudits for a great assist. Equally he should have had a penalty in that game.

If Doidge stayed fit or Jack Ross was still the manager (or we had any kind of decent manager) we could possibly have seen alot more from Mueller.

It's unfortunately just been a perfect storm of bad luck and mismanagement during his 5 months at Hibs. He wasn't great but it's not like we've paid millions for George Weah's cousin or something. It was just a gamble that didn't pay off. It's being blown out of proportion at the moment.

If Martin Boyle hadn't have skyed that penalty against Livi....

[Real Emerald]

Don't think bringing in muller was a bad idea at all. Looked a great player. Just didn't work out.

It wasn’t a bad idea at all and could have worked out. Bringing players from the USA is a real gamble though. Their football is nothing like ours and I guess it takes a certain type to ‘get it’. Worth a punt but probably good it’s ended for both parties and a lesson learned all round. Disappointing.

[MWHIBBIES]

It wasn’t a bad idea at all and could have worked out. Bringing players from the USA is a real gamble though. Their football is nothing like ours and I guess it takes a certain type to ‘get it’. Worth a punt but probably good it’s ended for both parties and a lesson learned all round. Disappointing.

Not sure I buy this at all. Dozens of American and Canadian players doing brilliantly all over Europe. He was a signing like any other, it just didn't work.

[Real Emerald]

Not sure I buy this at all. Dozens of American and Canadian players doing brilliantly all over Europe. He was a signing like any other, it just didn't work.

According to SDG he didn’t adapt to the intensity of the game here. Scottish football is very intense 100 mile an hour stuff played on less than perfect surfaces. It’s quite a difference to the way soccer is played in the States. That’s not to say that there isn’t USA players that can adapt perfectly. That’s why I said it was worth a punt.