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007
24-04-2022, 09:46 PM
Not sure there is much in this but 👀

Roy Keane 'on verge' of Hibs talks with Easter Road chiefs 'to convince' Manchester United legend to replace Maloney

https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/roy-keane-on-verge-hibs-23772593

😀 'On verge' of Hibs talks. Let's hope we can get it over the line and manage to complete the talks.

Unseen work
24-04-2022, 09:48 PM
I know people speak about tactics etc but this is Roy Keane, he played at Man Utd and has been a manager/coach at Sunderland, Ipswich, Ireland and Aston Villa.

The Scottish league isn’t the most tactical so I think he’d be fine in that regard, his teams would be right in your face you’d imagine which again would suit the league.

My concerns would be that his main recruitment at Sunderland was signing players from Man Utd that he knew. Would he know anyone we’d be interested in? A big thing for him is trusting the player/character and having not worked with most you’d imagine he wouldn’t know.

The other thing is his standards, would he be able to realise we won’t win every game and if we draw/lose that he can’t just constantly slate the players. Don’t get me wrong I want the players to have high standards but it’s something Mulgrew mention in relation to Lennon that his will to win was massive at Celtic and if they lost he went through them and it had the desired effect, but he questioned at Hibs what the impact would be if we lost 2 games and drew one, the constant criticising of players could turn negative and not have the same effect.

My other fear is if it’s not going right for him he’d walk out after a month without as much as a thought.

SteveHFC
24-04-2022, 09:53 PM
Not sure there is much in this but 👀

Roy Keane 'on verge' of Hibs talks with Easter Road chiefs 'to convince' Manchester United legend to replace Maloney

https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/roy-keane-on-verge-hibs-23772593


Interesting.

Pagan Hibernia
24-04-2022, 10:00 PM
Roy Keane derby record as manager:

Sunderland (v Newcastle): W1 D1 L1
Ipswich (v Norwich): W0 D0 L1

you’re slightly obsessed with derbys aren’t you

FilipinoHibs
24-04-2022, 10:07 PM
I would take him. Sets exacting high standards in everything to do with football. Deeply analytical. Take players to a new level and all of them would have to respond to him. Big box office and take on all the Scottish football BS. Imagine his interview with Brian Mcglaughlin.

tamig
24-04-2022, 10:07 PM
you’re slightly obsessed with derbys aren’t you

Bit uncalled for. You don’t need to look too far to see it appears to be a key performance indicator for a manager for a fair few on here.

tamig
24-04-2022, 10:08 PM
I would take him. Sets exacting high standards in everything to do with football. Deeply analytical. Take players to a new level and all of them would have to respond to him. Big box office and take on all the Scottish football BS. Imagine his interview with Brian Mcglaughlin.

Aye, just like he did in his last few roles right enough.

Green Reaper
24-04-2022, 10:10 PM
😀 'On verge' of Hibs talks. Let's hope we can get it over the line and manage to complete the talks.

That reads like it’s totally made up by someone on the back of the Times article. Roy worried about us being owned by a US based owner due to difficulties at Sunderland with Short and worried due to Maloney short term just sounds like a reporter trying to create an article with speculation, no quotes or substance.

Smartie
24-04-2022, 10:13 PM
Bit uncalled for. You don’t need to look too far to see it appears to be a key performance indicator for a manager for a fair few on here.

I don't think we should be all that ashamed of that. We share a city with a club of roughly similar size - coming out on top in the games between the clubs and being top dog in the city at any given time should be things that matter to us.

It matters enough to them, and I suspect that has a fair bit to do with why they have the upper hand on us.

Obviously there will be other key performance indicators too.

mcohibs
24-04-2022, 10:13 PM
That reads like it’s totally made up by someone on the back of the Times article. Roy worried about us being owned by a US based owner due to difficulties at Sunderland with Short and worried due to Maloney short term just sounds like a reporter trying to create an article with speculation, no quotes or substance.

That's the impression I got as well

007
24-04-2022, 10:24 PM
That reads like it’s totally made up by someone on the back of the Times article. Roy worried about us being owned by a US based owner due to difficulties at Sunderland with Short and worried due to Maloney short term just sounds like a reporter trying to create an article with speculation, no quotes or substance.

Looking at it again it seems to be more off the back of an article from the Irish Independent.

https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/other-soccer/hibs-on-verge-of-bold-move-to-tempt-roy-keane-back-into-management-41583536.html

Gets off to a good start - "Scottish side Hibernians..."

gbhibby
24-04-2022, 10:34 PM
I would take him. Sets exacting high standards in everything to do with football. Deeply analytical. Take players to a new level and all of them would have to respond to him. Big box office and take on all the Scottish football BS. Imagine his interview with Brian Mcglaughlin.
His first interview with Hearts loving Tom English will be interesting.

ScottB
24-04-2022, 10:37 PM
I would take him. Sets exacting high standards in everything to do with football. Deeply analytical. Take players to a new level and all of them would have to respond to him. Big box office and take on all the Scottish football BS. Imagine his interview with Brian Mcglaughlin.

What high standards exactly? For his own playing, sure, when saying the current Man Utd squad isn’t good enough? I guess, but that’s not exactly a hard thing to notice.

Did he set high standards during his managerial stints? Did those teams meet them?

Honestly, if all we want is someone who can moan in detail and could previously kick a ball around with some skill, Kevin Thompson would be a damn sight cheaper and probably a better coach…

007
24-04-2022, 10:38 PM
His first interview with Hearts loving Tom English will be interesting.

His press conferences would be essential viewing.

Hibbyradge
24-04-2022, 10:45 PM
I saw Klopp bullying a few of his players earlier, I do hope they are OK.

No you didn't.

Centre Hawf
24-04-2022, 10:47 PM
I can see why people are not wanting to take him. I don't want to see Neil Lennon back and I think a lot of the criticisms of him can maybe be labelled at Roy as well?

But there's just something in me that says it would be a good fit to drag the club up a bit from where it is. If Ron's ambitions match Roy's and the money is there to back him then I could see it being a success. I certainly don't think it's any worse an appointment than some of the names being mentioned already that some are happy to take (Malky Mackay for example.)

Hibbyradge
24-04-2022, 10:52 PM
Not sure there is much in this but 👀

Roy Keane 'on verge' of Hibs talks with Easter Road chiefs 'to convince' Manchester United legend to replace Maloney

https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/roy-keane-on-verge-hibs-23772593

That's a rehash of the Times article. Just sexed up a bit with the phrase "on the verge of talks".

What does that even mean?

I think the story is bollocks.

Hibbyradge
24-04-2022, 10:54 PM
That reads like it’s totally made up by someone on the back of the Times article. Roy worried about us being owned by a US based owner due to difficulties at Sunderland with Short and worried due to Maloney short term just sounds like a reporter trying to create an article with speculation, no quotes or substance.

It's the same article,mixed up a bit with a few different words added.

Callum_62
24-04-2022, 11:01 PM
I've no idea if Roy Keane is genuinely interested in managing us

If he is, I can see our owner jumping at it to be honest

It would instantly be a massive shot in the arm to the publicity around the club

It would be the biggest name by far we have attracted

From a football perspective - no idea but it would certainly not be dull

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Pagan Hibernia
24-04-2022, 11:02 PM
Still not read any of this thread, but I am still so solidly no no no that it hurts.

And if it was to come to pass I'd be gutted at having renewed my ST.

interesting. I will 100% buy one if he becomes our manager.

I’ve no idea whether he would succeed or fail but it would be an interesting appointment and I would sure as hell want to be there to find out

my gut instinct would be that there would be initial success and then it would crash and burn in the second season. To be honest I’d take that after the boredom and sheer nothingness of the last year.

Stuart93
24-04-2022, 11:08 PM
interesting. I will 100% buy one if he becomes our manager.

I’ve no idea whether he would succeed or fail but it would be an interesting appointment and I would sure as hell want to be there to find out

my gut instinct would be that there would be initial success and then it would crash and burn in the second season. To be honest I’d take that after the boredom and sheer nothingness of the last year.

Aye I’m a bit undecided as yet but if we appointed Keane I reckon it would entice me to renew. I’m not going to make many Saturdays as things stand

FRes Hibbie
24-04-2022, 11:09 PM
I would take him. Sets exacting high standards in everything to do with football. Deeply analytical. Take players to a new level and all of them would have to respond to him. Big box office and take on all the Scottish football BS. Imagine his interview with Brian Mcglaughlin.

Deeply analytical? Really? He’s the least analytical of the regular Sky pundits and that includes Micah Richards! He’s only there for withering condemnation and the subsequent video clips.

And that’s the most recent thing we can go on because the guy hasn’t been a football manager for over a decade.

andrew70
24-04-2022, 11:14 PM
Deeply analytical? Really? He’s the least analytical of the regular Sky pundits and that includes Micah Richards! He’s only there for withering condemnation and the subsequent video clips.

And that’s the most recent thing we can go on because the guy hasn’t been a football manager for over a decade.

Think that’s extremely harsh on him. He’s a scholar of the game and provides insightful knowledge i would temper that by saying so does Gary Neville and he wasn’t great to say the least.

There’s more to Keane than those with closed minds are willing to see or appreciate.

sunshinejim
24-04-2022, 11:22 PM
It would be an outstanding coup for Hibernian to have Roy Keane installed as Manager. I'm all for it as he's a rock star in the footballing world and would be fascinating to watch. Go get him Ron.

FRes Hibbie
24-04-2022, 11:27 PM
Think that’s extremely harsh on him. He’s a scholar of the game and provides insightful knowledge i would temper that by saying so does Gary Neville and he wasn’t great to say the least.

There’s more to Keane than those with closed minds are willing to see or appreciate.

“A scholar of the game” great cliche that doesn’t really mean much and probably hasn’t ever been used to describe Roy Keane before.

The Sky pundits all have their roles and Keane’s definitely isn’t the analysis guy.

There’s people on this thread that seem up for it because it’ll be more interesting than we’ve been for a while - I can just about get that actually. But I really struggle with the people trying to claim he’s a good manager - there’s basically no evidence of this and certainly none recently.

.Sean.
25-04-2022, 12:13 AM
I’d personally love Keane but I have reservations over someone who’s needing to be convinced to take the job as per the article

He’s the type I could see Ron Gordon going for purely on image and getting his name in the paper, though I certainly couldn’t see Kensel motor mouthing about sacking Roy Keane at Sunday brunch :blah:

matty_f
25-04-2022, 12:39 AM
I’d personally love Keane but I have reservations over someone who’s needing to be convinced to take the job as per the article

He’s the type I could see Ron Gordon going for purely on image and getting his name in the paper, though I certainly couldn’t see Kensel motor mouthing about sacking Roy Keane at Sunday brunch :blah:

The more I think about it the more I hope we can get him. I don’t mind that the club might need “sold” to him, I’d rather he was convinced after looking into it so he didn’t have doubts.

Callum_62
25-04-2022, 01:10 AM
Well, it was rumored we were after a '6'. [emoji38]

To be fair he comes across really well in his fairly recent G Neville interview

I'm not sure the concerns about him being a shouty man etc will necessarily be relevant now

Regardless of if he becomes our manager or not its quite a good watch - link below

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D_1FqQwgMZtg&ved=2ahUKEwiqyaPxg673AhWXQkEAHQpvB3EQxa8BegQIBxAF&usg=AOvVaw3H0wUL7sbffgYCYX9mXNidhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220425/0707fc410ff34aa0e1cc6dd8567c3d70.jpg

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jacomo
25-04-2022, 05:59 AM
Keep seeing the "winner" or "will get the best out of the players" comments, can absolutely anyone reference one thing he's won as a coach or even one occasion he has done a semi-respectable job? As far as im aware both Ipswich and Sunderland fans think he's total and utter guff.

Just because someones "hard" and was a good player, doesn't mean they'll make a good coach. Keane isn't a good manager, never has been and 10 years out of the game won't make him better. Not sure what folk are thinking of here.


He won promotion to the EPL for Sunderland.

You may not rate that achievement but he delivered his club’s primary aim.

Daily Hibs
25-04-2022, 06:14 AM
The achievement of getting a team promoted to English Premier League cant be dismissed.

If someone like Roy Keane is available to us, you have to get him.

bingo70
25-04-2022, 06:26 AM
The achievement of getting a team promoted to English Premier League cant be dismissed.

If someone like Roy Keane is available to us, you have to get him.

I don’t know about having to get him however it’s worth a conversation with him I think.

He also did a bit more than getting Sunderland promoted, he took them from championship relegation positions, promoted and then kept them in the premier league. Was so long ago I get the reservations from some, I really do. I still think it is worth a chat with him to see if it’s workable though.

There’s no appointment that doesn’t come without it’s risks.

One big appeal for me is that he seems the opposite of Maloney. Maloney spoke from a text book, Keane will be a much more natural speaker I think.

I think Ron will want someone who looks to increase the standards at the club, someone that’ll capture the imagination of the fans and although there’s reservations from a lot on here, it’ll certainly do that on a wider scale and from a commercial point of view, his high profile would be a god send. Lot of things in between those factors to consider but if Hibs got wind Keane was interested it wouldn’t surprise me at all if we pursued that.

blackpoolhibs
25-04-2022, 06:28 AM
I think we need a poll on every manager rumoured to be interested, and next to each one could we see who will be returning their season ticket, or not renewing.

Whoever gets the least, he's our man/woman.:faf:

CentreLine
25-04-2022, 06:38 AM
We already have the worst disciplinary record on the league. We do need some controlled steel in out sides but maybe not the out of control stuff Roy Keane demonstrated in his playing days

Paulie Walnuts
25-04-2022, 06:41 AM
Being out of the game for 10 years should rule him out for me.

Footballs changed a lot in the last 10 years. Appointing someone who hasn’t managed throughout that change would be a bit like appointing a rookie again.

Heisenberg
25-04-2022, 06:43 AM
Keane would certainly be a box office appointment but could only see it ending badly. He’s not managed in a decade and was a disaster in his last job. His comments about Jon Walters also don’t sit well with me.

Renfrew_Hibby
25-04-2022, 06:50 AM
So much for wanting an experienced manager, Keane has experience but isn't experienced.

The pluses for me would be a raised profile and I think it would stimulate interest in what has become a bored support.
Yes he is most definitely not a scholar of the game but our biggest downfall for as long as I can remember has been 'character' and if he could address that then that would be a plus for me.

bingo70
25-04-2022, 06:52 AM
Being out of the game for 10 years should rule him out for me.

Footballs changed a lot in the last 10 years. Appointing someone who hasn’t managed throughout that change would be a bit like appointing a rookie again.

He’s not been out the game for 10 years?

He’s been a coach at Ireland and Aston Villa during that time. Hes also obviously been heavily involved in the media stuff so he’ll be well aware of the modern footballing world.

He’s not been a manager for the last 10 years and I think that’s a valid concern but I also think a decent time to reflect on what he did right or wrong might not be a bad thing.

Daily Hibs
25-04-2022, 06:53 AM
I think we need a poll on every manager rumoured to be interested, and next to each one could we see who will be returning their season ticket, or not renewing.

Whoever gets the least, he's our man/woman.:faf:
:top marks
You're not joking! :thumbsup:

Daily Hibs
25-04-2022, 06:56 AM
Keane would certainly be a box office appointment but could only see it ending badly. He’s not managed in a decade and was a disaster in his last job. His comments about Jon Walters also don’t sit well with me.
His comments regarding Jon Walters were spot on though and apply to modern day players.

When did the world become so soft! !

Paulie Walnuts
25-04-2022, 06:58 AM
He’s not been out the game for 10 years?

He’s been a coach at Ireland and Aston Villa during that time. Hes also obviously been heavily involved in the media stuff so he’ll be well aware of the modern footballing world.

He’s not been a manager for the last 10 years and I think that’s a valid concern but I also think a decent time to reflect on what he did right or wrong might not be a bad thing.

Apologies, I meant out the game as a manager.

It’s a long time to have been out that role and come back in.

Paulie Walnuts
25-04-2022, 07:01 AM
His comments regarding Jon Walters were spot on though and apply to modern day players.

When did the world become so soft! !

Aye you’re right. Jon Walters is soft as **** for finding the family issues he went through upsetting and Roy Keane was spot on for calling him out for it :rolleyes:

Daily Hibs
25-04-2022, 07:02 AM
So much for wanting an experienced manager, Keane has experience but isn't experienced.

The pluses for me would be a raised profile and I think it would stimulate interest in what has become a bored support.
Yes he is most definitely not a scholar of the game but our biggest downfall for as long as I can remember has been 'character' and if he could address that then that would be a plus for me.
So well put :agree:

Our group go to games now as a social occasion and a laugh, result and performance have become secondary Hibs are that poor just now.

We are also very much bored of players that have been at the club for too long who are nice guys but not good enough. Players that someone like Keane would move on instantly.

Coco Bryce
25-04-2022, 07:04 AM
I think Roy has mellowed greatly over the last few years.

Maybe the time out from management has allowed him to reflect and sort out his temper :greengrin

superfurryhibby
25-04-2022, 07:13 AM
So well put :agree:

Our group go to games now as a social occasion and a laugh, result and performance have become secondary Hibs are that poor just now.

We are also very much bored of players that have been at the club for too long who are nice guys but not good enough. Players that someone like Keane would move on instantly.

Did you and your mates enjoy a good laugh at Hampden recently?

Feel free to name these not good enough nice guys that Keane would move on instantly, but have somehow miraculously survived at Hibs.

Personally, I think you and your mates should just give it a rest. Nothing worse than a bored, apathetic Hibs.Net poster who doesn’t really actually support the team, is there?

CapitalGreen
25-04-2022, 07:16 AM
I think Roy has mellowed greatly over the last few years.

Maybe the time out from management has allowed him to reflect and sort out his temper :greengrin

Im not overly concerned about his temperament m, it’s his management ability that I’m interested in. 15 years since his only tangible achievement in management and that was a situation where he was able to outspend his 2nd tier rivals to do so.

If this was any one else with his managerial/coaching CV there would be very little interest from most people. I understand people will hope he’ll command instant respect from players in a similar way to Gerrard did at Rangers but Keane was a generation before him. A number of our players weren’t even alive when Keane was at his peak let alone old enough to have appreciated what he was doing at the time.

bigwheel
25-04-2022, 07:23 AM
Malky Mackay has a much better and more current management CV imo than Keane….would be a better appointment


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Since452
25-04-2022, 07:24 AM
Is he tall enough though? That's what really matters.

bingo70
25-04-2022, 07:34 AM
Malky Mackay has a much better and more current management CV imo than Keane….would be a better appointment


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Funnily enough, he was also out of football management for years before Ross County gave him a go which shows just shouldn’t necessarily rule people out getting a job.

Callum_62
25-04-2022, 07:45 AM
Im not overly concerned about his temperament m, it’s his management ability that I’m interested in. 15 years since his only tangible achievement in management and that was a situation where he was able to outspend his 2nd tier rivals to do so.

If this was any one else with his managerial/coaching CV there would be very little interest from most people. I understand people will hope he’ll command instant respect from players in a similar way to Gerrard did at Rangers but Keane was a generation before him. A number of our players weren’t even alive when Keane was at his peak let alone old enough to have appreciated what he was doing at the time.No chance our players would be oblivious to the achievements or stature of Roy Keane

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Greenworld
25-04-2022, 07:50 AM
Funnily enough, he was also out of football management for years before Ross County gave him a go which shows just shouldn’t necessarily rule people out getting a job.You cannot seriously compare the 2 .
Roy K has not managed for God knows how long his latest stints were as assistant .
He is a tv pundit now and that's it .


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sahpaton
25-04-2022, 07:52 AM
He won promotion to the EPL for Sunderland.

You may not rate that achievement but he delivered his club’s primary aim.

15 years ago

Coco Bryce
25-04-2022, 07:55 AM
15 years ago

Would you take Alex Ferguson?

He's not managed for 10 years :greengrin

O'Rourke3
25-04-2022, 07:56 AM
We would be looking for another manager before the standard International break in September. He'd be flying up every week and continue some media duties. He'd be blaming everyone else for not understanding why they can't do what he asks them to do when most of his teammates at MU couldn't do it either. Having got rid of the likes of Gray, McGregor etc from the coaching staff we'll have gone back to the place that gave us Calderwood, Fenlon then that git with the Rab C Nisbet bunnet.

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Paulie Walnuts
25-04-2022, 07:56 AM
No chance our players would be oblivious to the achievements or stature of Roy Keane

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They’ll not be oblivious but for anyone under 25 he won’t have this god like stature about him because of his achievements as a player.

For about half of our squad Roy Keane will be a pundit who used to be a footballer rather than a footballer who’s now a pundit.

I’m 31 and Alan Hansen would probably be similar for me as Roy Keane would be to half our squad. I know Hansen played football, I know he played for Liverpool but until I looked at his Wikipedia just now I never had a clue he was so succesful. When I think of Hansen my first thought is MOTD. Same with Gary Lineker and to an extent, it’s even the same with Roy Keane. If I think of him now my first thought is him slaughtering Pogba, not his performances for Man U.

For a lot of our squad, Roy Keane will be Roy Keane from Sky Sports that used to play for Man U.

CapitalGreen
25-04-2022, 07:58 AM
No chance our players would be oblivious to the achievements or stature of Roy Keane

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I didn’t say they’d be oblivious to his achievements, I said his achievements wouldn’t necessarily command the respect that those of a more recent player such as Gerrard would.

Heisenberg
25-04-2022, 08:03 AM
His comments regarding Jon Walters were spot on though and apply to modern day players.

When did the world become so soft! !

Rubbish. Ripping into a player for talking about his mental health/family issues is horrible behaviour.

Since452
25-04-2022, 08:06 AM
We would be looking for another manager before the standard International break in September. He'd be flying up every week and continue some media duties. He'd be blaming everyone else for not understanding why they can't do what he asks them to do when most of his teammates at MU couldn't do it either. Having got rid of the likes of Gray, McGregor etc from the coaching staff we'll have gone back to the place that gave us Calderwood, Fenlon then that git with the Rab C Nisbet bunnet.

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Or we could interview him and make it clear what the terms of his contact were IF we offered him the job. I'd expect him to knock media duties on the head if he was Hibs manager.

bingo70
25-04-2022, 08:07 AM
You cannot seriously compare the 2 .
Roy K has not managed for God knows how long his latest stints were as assistant .
He is a tv pundit now and that's it .


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Why not?

Malky Mackay hadn’t managed for god knows how long and hadn’t even been an assistant. He just did some admin role for the SFA badly.

Yet despite that, he’s come in and done a good job at Ross County.

B.H.F.C
25-04-2022, 08:18 AM
Why not?

Malky Mackay hadn’t managed for god knows how long and hadn’t even been an assistant. He just did some admin role for the SFA badly.

Yet despite that, he’s come in and done a good job at Ross County.

Left Cardiff in December 2013 and managed 25 games for Wigan (very poorly) from November 2014.

Their CV isn’t too dissimilar. Promoted to the Premiership with one team, not done so great with another. Keane probably had more time in the game with his roles as an assistant.

Tambo
25-04-2022, 08:20 AM
So now it's been reported that Hibs will try and tempt Keane back into management? Thought it was Keane who was interested first?

Anyway article also says Keane has an issue with Ron being away most of the time.

Chorley Hibee
25-04-2022, 08:22 AM
Or we could interview him and make it clear what the terms of his contact were IF we offered him the job. I'd expect him to knock media duties on the head if he was Hibs manager.

That would be my stipulation, fully focused on Hibs and nothing else.

Callum_62
25-04-2022, 08:23 AM
Left Cardiff in December 2013 and managed 25 games for Wigan (very poorly) from November 2014.

Their CV isn’t too dissimilar. Promoted to the Premiership with one team, not done so great with another. Keane probably had more time in the game with his roles as an assistant.I wonder if the fan base would give Keane any leeway if he started like Malky?



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Since452
25-04-2022, 08:24 AM
https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/roy-keane-on-verge-hibs-23772593

Daily Hibs
25-04-2022, 08:24 AM
Did you and your mates enjoy a good laugh at Hampden recently?

Feel free to name these not good enough nice guys that Keane would move on instantly, but have somehow miraculously survived at Hibs.

Personally, I think you and your mates should just give it a rest. Nothing worse than a bored, apathetic Hibs.Net poster who doesn’t really actually support the team, is there?
I think you have to accept it's 50/50 with Hibs fans being apathetic just now, season ticket sales will reflect that. Hibs have to get the next manager right and bringing in someone like Keane brings a certain level of credential and X factor to the club.

Regarding Hampden, we were there for 90 minutes supporting the team unlike others who left at 2-0.

bingo70
25-04-2022, 08:25 AM
So now it's been reported that Hibs will try and tempt Keane back into management? Thought it was Keane who was interested first?

Anyway article also says Keane has an issue with Ron being away most of the time.

Yes, when the initial story broke it was Keane that was wanting the job. That has now moved on to us wanting him.

I think if he was interested in taking the job we would want to at least speak to him. I’m sure the people of the Hibs board would have the same concerns as the posters on here so they would need to investigate the concerns to see if it would be workable or not.

Lago
25-04-2022, 08:27 AM
No doubt in my mind that it would end in tears after a short period.

Green Reaper
25-04-2022, 08:34 AM
So now it's been reported that Hibs will try and tempt Keane back into management? Thought it was Keane who was interested first?

Anyway article also says Keane has an issue with Ron being away most of the time.

There are no quotes or anything in that article regarding issues with Ron being away, it’s made up speculation based on the fact that Short at Sunderland was US based and Roy had an issue with him, pure assumption.

04Sauzee
25-04-2022, 08:36 AM
I'd be genuinely shocked if he becomes our next manager.

Since90+2
25-04-2022, 08:44 AM
They’ll not be oblivious but for anyone under 25 he won’t have this god like stature about him because of his achievements as a player.

For about half of our squad Roy Keane will be a pundit who used to be a footballer rather than a footballer who’s now a pundit.

I’m 31 and Alan Hansen would probably be similar for me as Roy Keane would be to half our squad. I know Hansen played football, I know he played for Liverpool but until I looked at his Wikipedia just now I never had a clue he was so succesful. When I think of Hansen my first thought is MOTD. Same with Gary Lineker and to an extent, it’s even the same with Roy Keane. If I think of him now my first thought is him slaughtering Pogba, not his performances for Man U.

For a lot of our squad, Roy Keane will be Roy Keane from Sky Sports that used to play for Man U.

Half of our squad will view him as pundit? They are professional footballers who have dedicated their lifes to football, they'll know all about Roy Keane as a footballer, make no mistake about that.

Since452
25-04-2022, 08:56 AM
I'm 100% ready to buckle up for the ride if Keano gets the job. One thing is for sure it wouldn't be boring!

Paulie Walnuts
25-04-2022, 08:59 AM
Half of our squad will view him as pundit? They are professional footballers who have dedicated their lifes to football, they'll know all about Roy Keane as a footballer, make no mistake about that.

Being a professional footballer doesn’t mean you have to have encyclopaedic knowledge of football from earlier than you can even remember.

They’ll be aware he was a footballer. They’ll be aware he played for Man Utd and done fairly well. If you never watched him playing though then you’re not going to look at Roy Keane and be in awe of him for his abilities as a footballer because you didn’t even see it.

They’ll link Roy Keane to what they remember Roy Keane for. For anyone under the age of 25 or so, that’s one of the most famous and controversial pundits in the country.

For the exact same reasons, anyone that hears Gary Lineker and is under 35 will immediately think of the MOTD host and guy from the Walkers advert well before they remember one of the most succesful strikers in British football history.

greenlex
25-04-2022, 09:01 AM
If Keane is appointed it will be about season ticket sales rather than any football ambitions.

bingo70
25-04-2022, 09:04 AM
If Keane is appointed it will be about season ticket sales rather than any football ambitions.

It’ll be about both.

The club don’t want to appoint someone to sack again in a few months.

Billy Whizz
25-04-2022, 09:05 AM
It’ll be about both.

The club don’t want to appoint someone to sack again in a few months.

He’s far too much of a risk Bingo, and we’ve already taken one and made a mess of it

WhileTheChief..
25-04-2022, 09:10 AM
Would be an amazing move by us, exactly the type of person I want in the role.

The football simply couldn't be any worse than under Maloney so what's not to like??

Bums on seats, national exposure and entertaining press conferences. Make it happen Hibs :thumbsup:

Since452
25-04-2022, 09:10 AM
Would be an amazing move by us, exactly the type of person I want in the role.

The football simply couldn't be any worse than under Maloney so what's not to like??

Bums on seats, national exposure and entertaining press conferences. Make it happen Hibs :thumbsup:

Exactly my thoughts.

WhileTheChief..
25-04-2022, 09:12 AM
I can’t see him doing it. He’s got a great gig at Sky and he won’t want to move from Altringham where he stays

But I’d take him in a minute


Thought you were quoting Pink Floyd for a moment.

I'd take Keane in a heartbeat. Wish he was here.

Paulie Walnuts
25-04-2022, 09:14 AM
Would be an amazing move by us, exactly the type of person I want in the role.

The football simply couldn't be any worse than under Maloney so what's not to like??

Bums on seats, national exposure and entertaining press conferences. Make it happen Hibs :thumbsup:

Surely we want better than just not any worse though?

Since90+2
25-04-2022, 09:23 AM
Being a professional footballer doesn’t mean you have to have encyclopaedic knowledge of football from earlier than you can even remember.

They’ll be aware he was a footballer. They’ll be aware he played for Man Utd and done fairly well. If you never watched him playing though then you’re not going to look at Roy Keane and be in awe of him for his abilities as a footballer because you didn’t even see it.

They’ll link Roy Keane to what they remember Roy Keane for. For anyone under the age of 25 or so, that’s one of the most famous and controversial pundits in the country.

For the exact same reasons, anyone that hears Gary Lineker and is under 35 will immediately think of the MOTD host and guy from the Walkers advert well before they remember one of the most succesful strikers in British football history.

You don't need an encyclopedic knowledge of football to know who Roy Keane is. He's one of the most iconic players ever to play in the English Premier League, every single player in our squad will know all about him.

big gogs
25-04-2022, 09:25 AM
No doubt in my mind that it would end in tears after a short period.
Who would be brave enough to say,Roy ,it never worked out your fired.

Paulie Walnuts
25-04-2022, 09:27 AM
You don't need an encyclopedic knowledge of football to know who Roy Keane is. He's one of the most iconic players ever to play in the English Premier League, every single player in our squad will know all about him.

Which is exactly what I’ve said in every one of my posts about this…

Steve88
25-04-2022, 09:30 AM
I feel like hiring Roy Keane is a bit like throwing a hail Mary in the 4th quarter of the Superbowl.

But I also want to see it...

MWHIBBIES
25-04-2022, 09:31 AM
His comments regarding Jon Walters were spot on though and apply to modern day players.

When did the world become so soft! !

You think it's acceptable to mock someone for crying about the death of a family member?

Alex Trager
25-04-2022, 09:31 AM
https://youtu.be/bg17JsxXXvo

Paulie Walnuts
25-04-2022, 09:33 AM
You think it's acceptable to mock someone for crying about the death of a family member?

He should have been man enough to shrug it off as if nothing happened.

It’s what Roy Keane would have done.. or something like that.

WhileTheChief..
25-04-2022, 09:34 AM
Surely we want better than just not any worse though?

Yeah, but Maloney sucked the Hibs out of me, Keane would absolutely see it return.

I want excitement. Passion. Desire.

Keane ticks these boxes.

I've no problem with controversy, actually, I think we need some.

I want someone with a reputation, an aura, some character. He has all of these things in abundance.

The football would follow naturally if you believe we have decent players. They just need some guidance a good boot up the backside :greengrin

neil7908
25-04-2022, 09:36 AM
Please God no not Roy Keane. He literally hasn't been a manager for over 10 years.

If we didn't like Terry Butcher and how he treated players, why the f*** would we want Roy Keane?

neil7908
25-04-2022, 09:38 AM
Yeah, but Maloney sucked the Hibs out of me, Keane would absolutely see it return.

I want excitement. Passion. Desire.

Keane ticks these boxes.

I've no problem with controversy, actually, I think we need some.

I want someone with a reputation, an aura, some character. He has all of these things in abundance.

The football would follow naturally if you believe we have decent players. They just need some guidance a good boot up the backside :greengrin

There's a reason he's been out of the manager game for a decade plus though - the game has moved on. Modern footballers are a different breed. Like it or loathe it, his attitude is not how successful teams are run anymore

I get that after Maloney we want a bit more personality but Keane is a only linked because of what he did as a player 20 years ago. His record as a manager is brutal.

bingo70
25-04-2022, 09:38 AM
He’s far too much of a risk Bingo, and we’ve already taken one and made a mess of it

Aye I get that.

I’m a risk taker though. Too boring to go with safe bets that aren’t even safe bets.

See if we take a chance on someone that might just be brilliant and it goes wrong? I’ll whisper it but so what, the world will still turn, hibs will still play at the weekend, Hermit will still be moaning (only joking HC) and life will just go on as normal. If we go for a safe bet like Derek Mcinnes for example we’ll probably just find ourselves in the same boat as we did under Jack Ross, bored out of our mind arguing if being boring is worth it for the relative success we could achieve.

I’m not necessarily saying I want Roy Keane, I think he’s worth having a conversation with but I’m all for taking a gamble on someone we think could be brilliant.

bingo70
25-04-2022, 09:39 AM
Please God no not Roy Keane. He literally hasn't been a manager for over 10 years.

If we didn't like Terry Butcher and how he treated players, why the f*** would we want Roy Keane?

Because he’s a different person to Terry Butcher?

neil7908
25-04-2022, 09:41 AM
Because he’s a different person to Terry Butcher?

Yes but the mentality is the same. Blame the players, shout, scream, double training sessions etc. It's not 1970 any more. Footballers in 2022 don't respond to that.

If his name wasn't Roy Keane we would be raging about him even being linked given his record. I say again - he hasn't managed a club in over 10 years.

Hibs90
25-04-2022, 09:42 AM
People falling for the profile rather than the managerial ability. If he was that good he would’ve got a job she’s ago out of the numerous he’s apparently been interested in or applied for

bingo70
25-04-2022, 09:47 AM
Yes but the mentality is the same. Blame the players, shout, scream, double training sessions etc. It's not 1970 any more. Footballers in 2022 don't respond to that.

If his name wasn't Roy Keane we would be raging about him even being linked given his record. I say again - he hasn't managed a club in over 10 years.

Plenty time to reflect on stuff he did wrong then.

We’ve appointed loads of managers who have jumped from one job to another and been *****. Maybe appointing someone who has had a good period of time to reflect and learn is a good thing?

Truth is nobody knows how it goes, I’m all for staying open minded though.

The people making the decisions at the club will have the same concerns as you and I don’t doubt they will be addressed during the interview process.

WhileTheChief..
25-04-2022, 09:51 AM
There's a reason he's been out of the manager game for a decade plus though - the game has moved on. Modern footballers are a different breed. Like it or loathe it, his attitude is not how successful teams are run anymore

I get that after Maloney we want a bit more personality but Keane is a only linked because of what he did as a player 20 years ago. His record as a manager is brutal.

I don't think that's the case at all.

I couldn't care less what he did as a player. Butcher was decent in his playing days, as was Calderwood!

It would be a huge statement of intent by Hibs.

Just look at this board today and yesterday, buzzing with excitement, whether you're for or against him. We've not had this feeling since Lennon's time.

Let's enjoy the ride, even if it doesn't happen. Way more fun than talking about Malky Mackay!!

Paulie Walnuts
25-04-2022, 09:53 AM
Aye I get that.

I’m a risk taker though. Too boring to go with safe bets that aren’t even safe bets.

See if we take a chance on someone that might just be brilliant and it goes wrong? I’ll whisper it but so what, the world will still turn, hibs will still play at the weekend, Hermit will still be moaning (only joking HC) and life will just go on as normal. If we go for a safe bet like Derek Mcinnes for example we’ll probably just find ourselves in the same boat as we did under Jack Ross, bored out of our mind arguing if being boring is worth it for the relative success we could achieve.

I’m not necessarily saying I want Roy Keane, I think he’s worth having a conversation with but I’m all for taking a gamble on someone we think could be brilliant.

I agree with the general point. I just wouldn’t be taking that risk on Roy Keane.

I’d love to see us go for it with a foreign manager, especially the Granada guy you pulled out the air!

Like you said, we can go for a safe bet and they’re probably still not a kick in the arse off 50/50 whether they’ll do well or not. I’d rather just take a gamble.

The Modfather
25-04-2022, 09:53 AM
I’d prefer John Collins than Roy Keane. Although I think the success of either would be heavily dependent on getting the correct assistant manager beside them.

chrisski33
25-04-2022, 09:53 AM
Keane maybe not tye right manager now but he certainly would fire the players up for a derby! Reckon we should go for him as he may attract players we need

FRes Hibbie
25-04-2022, 09:57 AM
I don't think that's the case at all.

I couldn't care less what he did as a player. Butcher was decent in his playing days, as was Calderwood!

It would be a huge statement of intent by Hibs.

Just look at this board today and yesterday, buzzing with excitement, whether you're for or against him. We've not had this feeling since Lennon's time.

Let's enjoy the ride, even if it doesn't happen. Way more fun than talking about Malky Mackay!!

And why was the board buzzing and papers reporting? Because of Roy Keane’s profile as a very successful ex-player - not because of anything he’s done in management.

SHODAN
25-04-2022, 10:02 AM
Hasn't almost every Roy Keane appointment whether as manager or assistant eventually culminated in a dreadful run of form followed by widespread reports of players celebrating when he leaves?

Scouse Hibee
25-04-2022, 10:02 AM
I don't think that's the case at all.

I couldn't care less what he did as a player. Butcher was decent in his playing days, as was Calderwood!

It would be a huge statement of intent by Hibs.

Just look at this board today and yesterday, buzzing with excitement, whether you're for or against him. We've not had this feeling since Lennon's time.

Let's enjoy the ride, even if it doesn't happen. Way more fun than talking about Malky Mackay!!

A huge statement of intent would be appointing a proven manager with a track record of success, that isn’t Roy Keane.

bingo70
25-04-2022, 10:10 AM
I agree with the general point. I just wouldn’t be taking that risk on Roy Keane.

I’d love to see us go for it with a foreign manager, especially the Granada guy you pulled out the air!

Like you said, we can go for a safe bet and they’re probably still not a kick in the arse off 50/50 whether they’ll do well or not. I’d rather just take a gamble.

Aye, I think we are probably not far off being in agreement.

I think the best way to describe my thoughts on Keane is that im really open minded about him and happy to look at the positives as he’ll at least bring a bit personality to the role and the club. That’s been sadly lacking for a while, i wasn’t a huge fan of Lennon but I used to enjoy listening to him for the most part. I stopped even listening to Ross and Maloney as they just spoke on sound bites and cliches. I know some people liked Ross especially but he wasn’t for me.

Given a choice I’d rather go for random Johnny Foreigner but then, they wouldn’t have the advantage Keane does in terms of knowing British football.

LaMotta
25-04-2022, 10:12 AM
There's a reason he's been out of the manager game for a decade plus though - the game has moved on. Modern footballers are a different breed. Like it or loathe it, his attitude is not how successful teams are run anymore

I get that after Maloney we want a bit more personality but Keane is a only linked because of what he did as a player 20 years ago. His record as a manager is brutal.

His record as a manager is not brutal. Can people try not to make stuff up to fit their own agenda?

CapitalGreen
25-04-2022, 10:14 AM
Yeah, but Maloney sucked the Hibs out of me, Keane would absolutely see it return.

I want excitement. Passion. Desire.

Keane ticks these boxes.

I've no problem with controversy, actually, I think we need some.

I want someone with a reputation, an aura, some character. He has all of these things in abundance.

The football would follow naturally if you believe we have decent players. They just need some guidance a good boot up the backside :greengrin

Where was the excitement, passion and desire when his Sunderland team were getting pumped 7-1 by Everton of shipping 4 goals at home to the likes of Bolton and Wigan? Or his Ipswich team getting pumped 4-1 by their local rivals?

bingo70
25-04-2022, 10:15 AM
Where was the excitement, passion and desire when his Sunderland team were getting pumped 7-1 by Everton of shipping 4 goals at home to the likes of Bolton and Wigan? Or his Ipswich team getting pumped 4-1 by their local rivals?

Are you expecting us to appoint an experienced manager that’s not had bad results?

jeffers
25-04-2022, 10:21 AM
https://youtu.be/bg17JsxXXvo

Really enjoyed that, but if he was being honest I think this thread is wishful thinking, said he wasn’t interested in getting back into management.

LaMotta
25-04-2022, 10:21 AM
Where was the excitement, passion and desire when his Sunderland team were getting pumped 7-1 by Everton of shipping 4 goals at home to the likes of Bolton and Wigan? Or his Ipswich team getting pumped 4-1 by their local rivals?

Have you got any preferences who our manager should be?

SHODAN
25-04-2022, 10:24 AM
Are you expecting us to appoint an experienced manager that’s not had bad results?

In Roy Keane's managerial career he has suffered:

15 defeats by three or more goals
4 defeats by four or more goals
2 defeats by five or more goals
1 defeat by six or more goals


Considering the relatively short time he was a manager (roughly 4 seasons), that's almost four hammerings a season. Not great.

bingo70
25-04-2022, 10:27 AM
In Roy Keane's managerial career he has suffered:

15 defeats by three or more goals
4 defeats by four or more goals
2 defeats by five or more goals
1 defeat by six or more goals


Considering the relatively short time he was a manager (roughly 4 seasons), that's almost four hammerings a season. Not great.

You’re the one that wants experience 😃

Since452
25-04-2022, 10:30 AM
Hibs would give Keane an opportunity to win things and qualify for Europe. Ron obviously demands high standards. I think those things would appeal to Keane. I'm all for it. There will be ups and downs but that would happen no matter who gets the job. Put it this way, it's excited me more than any of the other names. He's still a huge figure in football.

Since452
25-04-2022, 10:33 AM
In Roy Keane's managerial career he has suffered:

15 defeats by three or more goals
4 defeats by four or more goals
2 defeats by five or more goals
1 defeat by six or more goals


Considering the relatively short time he was a manager (roughly 4 seasons), that's almost four hammerings a season. Not great.

That sounds like Bielsa's record this season alone.

Scotty Leither
25-04-2022, 10:52 AM
Only names that stand out for me so far are Tomasson (sp) and Knutsen from Bodo/Glimt (I notice his team beat Roma again a few weeks ago).

I'd have either one of them with Marvin Bartley as their assistant, and a decent transfer pot to bring in some fit, experienced players.

Will it happen, who knows, but we need something like this to lift season ticket sales and the club in general, IMO.

Callum_62
25-04-2022, 10:53 AM
Only names that stand out for me so far are Tomasson (sp) and Knutsen from Bodo/Glimt (I notice his team beat Roma again a few weeks ago).

I'd have either one of them with Marvin Bartley as their assistant, and a decent transfer pot to bring in some fit, experienced players.

Will it happen, who knows, but we need something like this to lift season ticket sales and the club in general, IMO.Why would either of them want Marvin Bartley as there assistant?

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Scotty Leither
25-04-2022, 10:56 AM
Why would either of them want Marvin Bartley as there assistant?

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Somebody that knows the Scottish game, will have the respect of the players you would imagine, has high standards of insisting players look after themselves physically.

Oh aye and he hates Hearts.

bigwheel
25-04-2022, 10:57 AM
Somebody that knows the Scottish game, will have the respect of the players you would imagine, has high standards of insisting players look after themselves physically.

Oh aye and he hates Hearts.

Why are we talking about someone who recently beat Roma as a possible candidate for us ….we have zero chance of him even considering us .

bingo70
25-04-2022, 10:58 AM
Only names that stand out for me so far are Tomasson (sp) and Knutsen from Bodo/Glimt (I notice his team beat Roma again a few weeks ago).

I'd have either one of them with Marvin Bartley as their assistant, and a decent transfer pot to bring in some fit, experienced players.

Will it happen, who knows, but we need something like this to lift season ticket sales and the club in general, IMO.

Knutsen is completely unrealistic IMO.

That’s fine, no issues with people throwing names out there, problem is when folk start comparing more realistic shouts with him. I’m

Don’t see any reason why Knutsen would come to Hibs. Not even likely to be a good stepping stone to a English football as he’ll be able tk get a good job down there without coming to us first.

Paul1642
25-04-2022, 10:59 AM
Keane maybe not tye right manager now but he certainly would fire the players up for a derby! Reckon we should go for him as he may attract players we need

I can’t help but feel he would put off as many players as he would attract. I don’t think I would jump at the opportunity to be managed by Roy Keane.

WhileTheChief..
25-04-2022, 11:05 AM
Where was the excitement, passion and desire when his Sunderland team were getting pumped 7-1 by Everton of shipping 4 goals at home to the likes of Bolton and Wigan? Or his Ipswich team getting pumped 4-1 by their local rivals?

I've no idea, I never watched any of these games. Did you?!

Sioux
25-04-2022, 11:07 AM
It appears it doesn’t matter who we appoint there’s people handing back their ST’s. Is that the in thing to do now when you don’t agree with a decision/appointment?

No. Its just attention seeking pish.

OldEast
25-04-2022, 11:08 AM
I can’t help but feel he would put off as many players as he would attract. I don’t think I would jump at the opportunity to be managed by Roy Keane.

Perhaps you're right but he wouldn't put off the committed, play for the jersey, get stuck in at training and sweat blood types which is exactly what we need.

FRes Hibbie
25-04-2022, 11:10 AM
Have you got any preferences who our manager should be?

Don’t think that works as a counter argument. The reason we can basically all have an opinion on Keane is because of his high profile. Nobody was plucking Mowbray or Stubbs’ names prior to them being hired but I’d rather a similar ilk. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t.

CapitalGreen
25-04-2022, 11:11 AM
I've no idea, I never watched any of these games. Did you?!

Yes I watched the Ipswich v Norwich game and will have likely watched extended highlights of the Sunderland games. I was certainly not left with memories of excitement, passion and desire that’s for sure 🤣🤣

LaMotta
25-04-2022, 11:11 AM
Why are we talking about someone who recently beat Roma as a possible candidate for us ….we have zero chance of him even considering us .


Knutsen is completely unrealistic IMO.

That’s fine, no issues with people throwing names out there, problem is when folk start comparing more realistic shouts with him. I’m

Don’t see any reason why Knutsen would come to Hibs. Not even likely to be a good stepping stone to a English football as he’ll be able tk get a good job down there without coming to us first.

Exactly, as much chance of ending up as Hibs manager as Evil Kneivel.

LaMotta
25-04-2022, 11:14 AM
Don’t think that works as a counter argument. The reason we can basically all have an opinion on Keane is because of his high profile. Nobody was plucking Mowbray or Stubbs’ names prior to them being hired but I’d rather a similar ilk. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t.

It's not a counter argument. I'm genuinely interested.

Scottie
25-04-2022, 11:15 AM
Exactly, as much chance of ending up as Hibs manager as Evil Kneivel.
I shared a beer with his son Robbie once in Florida. Nice guy as it happens :cheers:

MWHIBBIES
25-04-2022, 11:19 AM
Hasn't almost every Roy Keane appointment whether as manager or assistant eventually culminated in a dreadful run of form followed by widespread reports of players celebrating when he leaves?

But the pashun

Dalianwanda
25-04-2022, 11:24 AM
Exactly, as much chance of ending up as Hibs manager as Evil Kneivel.

I just found out the other day that he got his name after sharing a prison cell with a dude called Awful Knofel…

LaMotta
25-04-2022, 11:26 AM
I shared a beer with his son Robbie once in Florida. Nice guy as it happens :cheers:

:thumbsup:


I just found out the other day that he got his name after sharing a prison cell with a dude called Awful Knofel…

:hilarious just had to google that, unbelievable Jeff!

Sioux
25-04-2022, 11:27 AM
Hasn't almost every Roy Keane appointment whether as manager or assistant eventually culminated in a dreadful run of form followed by widespread reports of players celebrating when he leaves?

Can't possibly imagine any Hibs manager having that kind of scenario.:whistle:

Pagan Hibernia
25-04-2022, 11:33 AM
A huge statement of intent would be appointing a proven manager with a track record of success, that isn’t Roy Keane.

there’s not all that many of them around that would take the Hibs job.

Since452
25-04-2022, 11:37 AM
https://youtu.be/WFulcDJDJEU

Imagine Brian McLaughlin getting the same treatment. Make it happen Ron.

WhileTheChief..
25-04-2022, 11:37 AM
A huge statement of intent would be appointing a proven manager with a track record of success, that isn’t Roy Keane.

I'd love that. Anyone in mind?

If not, then I want someone like Keane or Lennon.

JamesHFC
25-04-2022, 11:57 AM
I fear that if he was to get the job then there would be people who would label him as a bully before he even got started. One interview of demanding more from his players and there would be people calling for the guy to be put in jail.

MikeyS
25-04-2022, 11:57 AM
Why would either of them want Marvin Bartley as there assistant?

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Cos that's the done thing on here these days, think of a random experience manager and nake them work with a former player.

I really want us to go for Terry Venables with Denes Rosa as his assistant

SHODAN
25-04-2022, 12:01 PM
Cos that's the done thing on here these days, think of a random experience manager and nake them work with a former player.

I really want us to go for Terry Venables with Denes Rosa as his assistant

I heard Rosa only wants the assistant manager job so he can take over from Neilson at Tynecastle the season after.

greenginger
25-04-2022, 12:05 PM
Cos that's the done thing on here these days, think of a random experience manager and nake them work with a former player.

I really want us to go for Terry Venables with Denes Rosa as his assistant

Venables is 79 years oid .

KWJ
25-04-2022, 12:05 PM
I would imagine Roy Keane's Hibs tenure would have a sharp increase followed by a quick decline and a messy end.

Could potentially even beat Maloney's 19 games.

HendoDelivered
25-04-2022, 12:09 PM
Car crash waiting to happen, please no.

Smartie
25-04-2022, 12:10 PM
Cos that's the done thing on here these days, think of a random experience manager and nake them work with a former player.

I really want us to go for Terry Venables with Denes Rosa as his assistant

Ron Atkinson Roland Edge dream team for me.

Chorley Hibee
25-04-2022, 12:11 PM
I would imagine Roy Keane's Hibs tenure would have a sharp increase followed by a quick decline and a messy end.

Could potentially even beat Maloney's 19 games.

If it includes victories over Hearts, der hun, Brian McLaughlin ****ting his pants, and him chinning Neilson on the touchline, then I'm all for this!

MikeyS
25-04-2022, 12:13 PM
Venables is 79 years oid .

Plenty experience then! 👍🏻

LaMotta
25-04-2022, 12:43 PM
Ron Atkinson Roland Edge dream team for me.

I won't be happy until Humphrey Rudge and Chris Humphrey are appointed.

Brizo
25-04-2022, 01:06 PM
Has the potential to be a huge success but also an unmitigated disaster ending in an apocalyptic meltdown which would make a "Lenny" meltdown seem like a tiff at a kids party.

It would be total box office and the Huns, diet Huns and hunnish elements at various other clubs would hate it if we got him as manager which is a big plus for me :greengrin

The MSM would also be all over it and that's a publicity boost a businessman like Ron would love plus I'm sure it would attract more ST sales than a lot of the "safer" candidates who are in the frame.

Roy Keanes Green and white army definitely has a ring to it :flag::flag::flag:

Saint Hibee
25-04-2022, 01:09 PM
Aye I get that.

I’m a risk taker though. Too boring to go with safe bets that aren’t even safe bets.

See if we take a chance on someone that might just be brilliant and it goes wrong? I’ll whisper it but so what, the world will still turn, hibs will still play at the weekend, Hermit will still be moaning (only joking HC) and life will just go on as normal. If we go for a safe bet like Derek Mcinnes for example we’ll probably just find ourselves in the same boat as we did under Jack Ross, bored out of our mind arguing if being boring is worth it for the relative success we could achieve.

I’m not necessarily saying I want Roy Keane, I think he’s worth having a conversation with but I’m all for taking a gamble on someone we think could be brilliant.

Yep, 100% agree. Might not end well, but certainly wouldn't be as dishwater dull as the Ross and Maloney tenures. Something to actually look forward to on a Saturday afternoon.

Iain G
25-04-2022, 01:18 PM
I don't think we should be all that ashamed of that. We share a city with a club of roughly similar size - coming out on top in the games between the clubs and being top dog in the city at any given time should be things that matter to us.

It matters enough to them, and I suspect that has a fair bit to do with why they have the upper hand on us.

Obviously there will be other key performance indicators too.

It matters to them as for most of them it defines their life, being the biggliest club in Edinburgh and giving their fragile little egos a feeling of superiority for a few says before they drive the tover back to the insurance company to start licking their line managers shoes again on Monday. You could see at the final whistle the first song they sign is about us, not about them or how good they are, but they are more interested in having bragging rights at the bowling club...it's their be all and end all and they live to support hearts, spend the maroon pound, defraud charities and have a small dose of occasional feeling of self importance for 48 hours or so.

For us, am not sure it matter as much? Maybe it's a perspective thing? us docksiders have a more balanced view of life and it's not all wrapped up in our football club? Maybe we are too busy selling pegs of course...

Since452
25-04-2022, 01:25 PM
How often do we get the chance to get a guy like Roy Keane in the door? Might turn out to be a disaster but fortune favours the brave. Ron said he wants us to be on the edge. That means taking risks. Go and get him and get the right guys around him. Hibs and Keane could be the perfect match. Could be magnificent.

mcohibs
25-04-2022, 01:31 PM
It matters to them as for most of them it defines their life, being the biggliest club in Edinburgh and giving their fragile little egos a feeling of superiority for a few says before they drive the tover back to the insurance company to start licking their line managers shoes again on Monday. You could see at the final whistle the first song they sign is about us, not about them or how good they are, but they are more interested in having bragging rights at the bowling club...it's their be all and end all and they live to support hearts, spend the maroon pound, defraud charities and have a small dose of occasional feeling of self importance for 48 hours or so.

For us, am not sure it matter as much? Maybe it's a perspective thing? us docksiders have a more balanced view of life and it's not all wrapped up in our football club? Maybe we are too busy selling pegs of course...

Sorry but if there's one thing I wish we had as a club it is Hearts' attitude to the derby games. At least it works. Sick of us being turned over by that mob.

Greenio
25-04-2022, 01:31 PM
Yep, 100% agree. Might not end well, but certainly wouldn't be as dishwater dull as the Ross and Maloney tenures. Something to actually look forward to on a Saturday afternoon.


You think Ross' time managing Hibs was 'dull as dishwater'?

bingo70
25-04-2022, 01:33 PM
You think Ross' time managing Hibs was 'dull as dishwater'?

I do

mcohibs
25-04-2022, 01:34 PM
I would imagine Roy Keane's Hibs tenure would have a sharp increase followed by a quick decline and a messy end.

Could potentially even beat Maloney's 19 games.

Opinions eh. I personally think it would reinvigorate the club at a time when it is much needed. Every appointment is a gamble to a certain extent. I'm yet to hear any suggestions on this board that are both credible and fill me with any sense of optimism.

Pagan Hibernia
25-04-2022, 01:34 PM
You think Ross' time managing Hibs was 'dull as dishwater'?

it wasn’t great but it wasn’t exactly his fault. His fantastic 3rd place season coincided with empty lifeless stadiums which left us (certainly me anyway) feeling just disconnected and removed from it all

Bobby's Cinema
25-04-2022, 01:43 PM
Box Office appointment, already obsessed with watching Roy Keane's interviews as a pundit so I say go for it.

Immediately commands respect and will attract a better calibre of player - two things the current dressing room badly needs.

Iain G
25-04-2022, 01:44 PM
Sorry but if there's one thing I wish we had as a club it is Hearts' attitude to the derby games. At least it works. Sick of us being turned over by that mob.

Didn't work in the Robbie Replay cup semi 🤣

LancsHibs
25-04-2022, 02:01 PM
You think Ross' time managing Hibs was 'dull as dishwater'?

Yes, last seasons 3rd place finish aside as it wasn’t that remarkable as no Hearts and only had to finish above a poor sheep side really, was one of the most disappointing with the 3 Hampden disasters and for the most part pedestrian football being played. The prize for finishing 3rd was European football which was again a massive disappointment under JR.
The whole club needs a shake and that’s what will happen if they appoint RK, not saying it will be a roaring success, pray it would be, but it would at least be interesting. We are currently as dull as dishwater

bigwheel
25-04-2022, 02:08 PM
Yes, last seasons 3rd place finish aside as it wasn’t that remarkable as no Hearts and only had to finish above a poor sheep side really, was one of the most disappointing with the 3 Hampden disasters and for the most part pedestrian football being played. The prize for finishing 3rd was European football which was again a massive disappointment under JR.
The whole club needs a shake and that’s what will happen if they appoint RK, not saying it will be a roaring success, pray it would be, but it would at least be interesting. We are currently as dull as dishwater

No we are currently rubbish …give me a dull JR 3rd place and 5 semi finals in a row any day …

Saint Hibee
25-04-2022, 02:09 PM
You think Ross' time managing Hibs was 'dull as dishwater'?

Yes, I do.

Dr_Regal
25-04-2022, 02:09 PM
Initial reaction was absolutely no way, but I've changed my mind. Lets do it.

Its a great fit at the right time. Ron wants a big name and he is ambitious enough to make this appointment.

Plus Points
- Boy Band Hibs would be a thing of the past(#1 reason for me, so sick of it)
- Irish link
- Use to live in Edinburgh apparently
- Blank slate
- Great facilities and an improving youth set up
- Should have some money to spend in the summer
- Attract a better quality of player
- Achievable league targets for Roy
- Season tickets will go through the roof
- Would be a right laugh
- Would get tucked right into the jambos


If it doesn't work it doesn't work, but its well worth a go. As someone else said, fortune favours the brave(CDC)

B.H.F.C
25-04-2022, 02:15 PM
Yes, last seasons 3rd place finish aside as it wasn’t that remarkable as no Hearts and only had to finish above a poor sheep side really, was one of the most disappointing with the 3 Hampden disasters and for the most part pedestrian football being played. The prize for finishing 3rd was European football which was again a massive disappointment under JR.
The whole club needs a shake and that’s what will happen if they appoint RK, not saying it will be a roaring success, pray it would be, but it would at least be interesting. We are currently as dull as dishwater

Exactly how I see it as well.

Waxy
25-04-2022, 02:19 PM
Just do it.

Bushwoof
25-04-2022, 02:45 PM
Yeah, I'm up for the lolz. Chances are it would end up in total armageddon, but it would be well worth the fun. What's the harm in taking an almighty gamble for next year? The season we just had was pretty worthless anyway. Bring it on!

ClermistonGreen
25-04-2022, 02:52 PM
Get it done ✅

Scotty Leither
25-04-2022, 02:52 PM
Sorry but if there's one thing I wish we had as a club it is Hearts' attitude to the derby games. At least it works. Sick of us being turned over by that mob.

Me too.

ancient hibee
25-04-2022, 02:54 PM
Can our players cope with a dominant coach? John Collins caused an uprising. Modern players aren’t interested in hearing about somebody ‘s career from 20 years ago. They just want someone who can do the job.

matty_f
25-04-2022, 02:57 PM
Can our players cope with a dominant coach? John Collins caused an uprising. Modern players aren’t interested in hearing about somebody ‘s career from 20 years ago. They just want someone who can do the job.

John Collins was 15 years ago, maybe things have changed since then!

GreenGray
25-04-2022, 02:58 PM
Where was the excitement, passion and desire when his Sunderland team were getting pumped 7-1 by Everton of shipping 4 goals at home to the likes of Bolton and Wigan? Or his Ipswich team getting pumped 4-1 by their local rivals?

I could pick out bad results for every manager in the world too.

Hibbyradge
25-04-2022, 03:00 PM
I haven't read a single compelling argument for the appointment of Keane, certainly none that the owner will be impressed by.

"He'll get rid of the dead wood". That's a lazy cliché but changing the personnel is something every new manager does.

"He's mibbe changed". Aye, mibbe. No-one knows if it's for the better or worse.

"He'll demand passion". How does anyone do that?

"He'll fire the team up for derbies." I want a manager with the credentials that shows he can win them.

"He wouldn't take any crap from Brian McLaughlin." Sigh.

"Season ticket sales would go up." There might be some truth in that, although I don't know many folk who will spend £400+ because of a managerial appointment, but the owner has shown with his investments that wants success on the pitch. The increase in the support will happen naturally when he gets that.

Plus, the upsurge in STs would merely be a blip is we weren't performing.

"He might not fall out with all the players". That's a relief.

"He's well known and would raise our profile". Terry Butcher was well known, plus I doubt Ron's ego needs to be massaged in that way.

"He did quite well with Sunderland for a wee while". Is that really the track record RG is looking for when he talks about an experienced manager?

People are getting excited because he's a well known name in football and because he's kept himself in the public eye with his punditry. If he hadn't been on TV but had been out of management for 11 years, there would be nothing like the clamour to get him in.

It's fantasy stuff, imo, and it's not going to happen.

Paul1642
25-04-2022, 03:03 PM
John Collins was 15 years ago, maybe things have changed since then!

Probably further in the opposite direction.

WhileTheChief..
25-04-2022, 03:05 PM
FFS!!

The first bit of excitement in years and you come along and just piss all over our collective chips!!

Let's get back to discussing Ian Murray or John Collins eh.

How about Yogi?? Mixu busy? :greengrin

Coco Bryce
25-04-2022, 03:14 PM
Initial reaction was absolutely no way, but I've changed my mind. Lets do it.

Its a great fit at the right time. Ron wants a big name and he is ambitious enough to make this appointment.

Plus Points
- Boy Band Hibs would be a thing of the past(#1 reason for me, so sick of it)
- Irish link
- Use to live in Edinburgh apparently
- Blank slate
- Great facilities and an improving youth set up
- Should have some money to spend in the summer
- Attract a better quality of player
- Achievable league targets for Roy
- Season tickets will go through the roof
- Would be a right laugh
- Would get tucked right into the jambos


If it doesn't work it doesn't work, but its well worth a go. As someone else said, fortune favours the brave(CDC)

Perfect :thumbsup:

Hibs90
25-04-2022, 03:14 PM
I haven't read a single compelling argument for the appointment of Keane, certainly none that the owner will be impressed by.

"He'll get rid of the dead wood". That's a lazy cliché but changing the personnel is something every new manager does.

"He's mibbe changed". Aye, mibbe. No-one knows if it's for the better or worse.

"He'll demand passion". How does anyone do that?

"He'll fire the team up for derbies." I want a manager with the credentials that shows he can win them.

"He wouldn't take any crap from Brian McLaughlin." Sigh.

"Season ticket sales would go up." There might be some truth in that, although I don't know many folk who will spend £400+ because of a managerial appointment, but the owner has shown with his investments that wants success on the pitch. The increase in the support will happen naturally when he gets that.

Plus, the upsurge in STs would merely be a blip is we weren't performing.

"He might not fall out with all the players". That's a relief.

"He's well known and would raise our profile". Terry Butcher was well known, plus I doubt Ron's ego needs to be massaged in that way.

"He did quite well with Sunderland for a wee while". Is that really the track record RG is looking for when he talks about an experienced manager?

People are getting excited because he's a well known name in football and because he's kept himself in the public eye with his punditry. If he hadn't been on TV but had been out of management for 11 years, there would be nothing like the clamour to get him in.

It's fantasy stuff, imo, and it's not going to happen.

Precisely.

Pagan Hibernia
25-04-2022, 03:18 PM
I could pick out bad results for every manager in the world too.

indeed. Didn’t klopps all conquering Liverpool get dismantled by Villa not that long ago? 7-2 wasn’t it?

and no I’m not comparing Roy Keane with Jurgen Klopp but it wasn’t all bad at Sunderland. A 7-1 defeat at Everton or whatever it was doesn’t exactly tell the tale of his whole time there.

Daily Hibs
25-04-2022, 03:31 PM
You think Ross' time managing Hibs was 'dull as dishwater'?
It was dull as dishwater, as dull as his personality.

Matchday -1 robotic monotone clichéd chat. Just dull with an atrocious record against our rivals.

GreenGray
25-04-2022, 03:33 PM
indeed. Didn’t klopps all conquering Liverpool get dismantled by Villa not that long ago? 7-2 wasn’t it?

and no I’m not comparing Roy Keane with Jurgen Klopp but it wasn’t all bad at Sunderland. A 7-1 defeat at Everton or whatever it was doesn’t exactly tell the tale of his whole time there.

Exactly, if we’re ruling out managers based on one or two picked out poor results we’d be as well not looking for anyone.

Daily Hibs
25-04-2022, 03:35 PM
Has the potential to be a huge success but also an unmitigated disaster ending in an apocalyptic meltdown which would make a "Lenny" meltdown seem like a tiff at a kids party.

It would be total box office and the Huns, diet Huns and hunnish elements at various other clubs would hate it if we got him as manager which is a big plus for me :greengrin

The MSM would also be all over it and that's a publicity boost a businessman like Ron would love plus I'm sure it would attract more ST sales than a lot of the "safer" candidates who are in the frame.

Roy Keanes Green and white army definitely has a ring to it :flag::flag::flag:
I think you are spot on with that. Good summary.

A Roy Keane appointment would reinvigorate and galvanise the club, which is badly needed just now and Ron is switched on to that fact.

Since452
25-04-2022, 03:35 PM
There was a part in Keane's book about being run ragged at Easter Road when he was at Celtic. Took him by surprise. Hopefully if he gets the job he remembers that and has our midfield hunting everything down. The way it should be.

ErinGoBraghHFC
25-04-2022, 03:37 PM
There was a part in Keane's book about being ran ragged at Easter Road when he was at Celtic. Took him by surprise. Hopefully if he gets the job he remembers that and has our midfield hunting everything down. The way it should be.

Yep. Brilliant book and speaks well of the club in the few sentences we are mentioned, go and get him Ron!


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Danderhall Hibs
25-04-2022, 03:43 PM
Interested but only if Micah Richards comes as his assistant.

hibbyfraelibby
25-04-2022, 03:46 PM
I feel like hiring Roy Keane is a bit like throwing a hail Mary in the 4th quarter of the Superbowl.

But I also want to see it...

Nothing quite like a 99yd reception touchdown as the clock runs out.

Hibbyradge
25-04-2022, 03:53 PM
I think you are spot on with that. Good summary.

A Roy Keane appointment would reinvigorate and galvanise the club, which is badly needed just now and Ron is switched on to that fact.

In what tangible way(s) would be reinvigorate and galvanise the club?

Terry Butcher was far more experienced in management, had a huge reputation as a player, and was probably as well known as Roy Keane.

I doubt there was much reinvigorating or galvanising when he arrived, even before it became obvious that he was a dud.

CapitalGreen
25-04-2022, 03:54 PM
Exactly, if we’re ruling out managers based on one or two picked out poor results we’d be as well not looking for anyone.

I’m not ruling him out for poor results, I’m ruling him out because I keep being told his best attribute is that he wouldn’t accept low standards and apparently he wouldn’t allow teams to walk all over us. These results and many others make a mockery of that assumption. Add this to his **** record in Derbies and his awful record in cup completions then you’ll get close to why I’m ruling him out.

ErinGoBraghHFC
25-04-2022, 03:59 PM
In what tangible way(s) would be reinvigorate and galvanise the club?

Terry Butcher was far more experienced in management, had a huge reputation as a player, and was probably as well known as Roy Keane.

I doubt there was much reinvigorating or galvanising when he arrived, even before it became obvious that he was a dud.

Terry Butcher definitely not as well known worldwide as Roy Keane, big marketing opportunity if we get him in


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Since452
25-04-2022, 04:03 PM
Yep. Brilliant book and speaks well of the club in the few sentences we are mentioned, go and get him Ron!


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Yup cracking read.

Daily Hibs
25-04-2022, 04:04 PM
In what tangible way(s) would be reinvigorate and galvanise the club?

Terry Butcher was far more experienced in management, had a huge reputation as a player, and was probably as well known as Roy Keane.

I doubt there was much reinvigorating or galvanising when he arrived, even before it became obvious that he was a dud.
If someone who is known worldwide and is the character of Roy Keane is interested in becoming manager, you appoint him. It instantly raises the profile of the club and sets a standard.

Daily Hibs
25-04-2022, 04:10 PM
FFS!!

The first bit of excitement in years and you come along and just piss all over our collective chips!!

Let's get back to discussing Ian Murray or John Collins eh.

How about Yogi?? Mixu busy? :greengrin
Exactly, don't forget we have supposed leaders who are nice guys in the squad to rely on.

Possibly highest profile manager we have the opportunity to appoint and some are turning their nose up at him. Bonkers. Let's go and get someone unremarkable to boost season ticket sales and accept mid table mediocrity.

Lee Marvin
25-04-2022, 04:12 PM
I'll now be absolutely gutted when we name anyone who isn't called Roy Keane

Paulie Walnuts
25-04-2022, 04:13 PM
If someone who is known worldwide and is the character of Roy Keane is interested in becoming manager, you appoint him. It instantly raises the profile of the club and sets a standard.

Does it not matter if he’s any good?

Daily Hibs
25-04-2022, 04:18 PM
Does it not matter if he’s any good?
It's difficult to be any worse than we are just now.

I find it amazing fans would pass up the chance of having Roy Keane.

greenlex
25-04-2022, 04:18 PM
We could appoint Ronald McDonalds clown. That would get the world to take notice. High profile. I doubt match days would be dull too. It’s a win win.

blackpoolhibs
25-04-2022, 04:19 PM
We could appoint Ronald McDonalds clown. That would get the world to take notice. High profile. I doubt match days would be dull too. It’s a win win.

I wont be back if it's him.

CapitalGreen
25-04-2022, 04:19 PM
Does it not matter if he’s any good?

It didn’t matter to Everton when appointing Frank Lampard.

greenlex
25-04-2022, 04:20 PM
I wont be back if it's him.
You more of a King man?🤷🏼*♂️

matty_f
25-04-2022, 04:22 PM
The one and only concern I have if we appoint Roy Keane is that it makes a mockery of any claims that we go through a diligent and thorough process recruiting managers, because we’ve all seen that it took a bit of fluttering off the eyes from Keane and we went for it (assuming we go for it, obviously).

It doesn’t exactly reek of a thorough process.

That said, I genuinely don’t think the chance of getting someone like Roy Keane (or actual Roy Keane) come up for Hibs too often, and if the board aren’t making an opportunistic move for him then they deserve chasing for it.


I’m sure Keane would give the place a huge lift, we are fast becoming a club devoid of personality, I’m certain that wouldn’t be the case with Roy Keane in charge.

Onion
25-04-2022, 04:25 PM
If someone who is known worldwide and is the character of Roy Keane is interested in becoming manager, you appoint him. It instantly raises the profile of the club and sets a standard.

That's one outcome. It would be a huge statement by RG and Hibs, as Keane would not come cheap and would expect a sizeable spending pot. If it worked, it could be spectacular. If it failed, could take years for us to recover. High risk, me thinks.

blackpoolhibs
25-04-2022, 04:26 PM
You more of a King man?🤷🏼*♂️

Some would say wimpy. :wink:

Daily Hibs
25-04-2022, 04:26 PM
The one and only concern I have if we appoint Roy Keane is that it makes a mockery of any claims that we go through a diligent and thorough process recruiting managers, because we’ve all seen that it took a bit of fluttering off the eyes from Keane and we went for it (assuming we go for it, obviously).

It doesn’t exactly reek of a thorough process.

That said, I genuinely don’t think the chance of getting someone like Roy Keane (or actual Roy Keane) come up for Hibs too often, and if the board aren’t making an opportunistic move for him then they deserve chasing for it.


I’m sure Keane would give the place a huge lift, we are fast becoming a club devoid of personality, I’m certain that wouldn’t be the case with Roy Keane in charge.
Well said.

bigwheel
25-04-2022, 04:28 PM
The one and only concern I have if we appoint Roy Keane is that it makes a mockery of any claims that we go through a diligent and thorough process recruiting managers, because we’ve all seen that it took a bit of fluttering off the eyes from Keane and we went for it (assuming we go for it, obviously).

It doesn’t exactly reek of a thorough process.

That said, I genuinely don’t think the chance of getting someone like Roy Keane (or actual Roy Keane) come up for Hibs too often, and if the board aren’t making an opportunistic move for him then they deserve chasing for it.


I’m sure Keane would give the place a huge lift, we are fast becoming a club devoid of personality, I’m certain that wouldn’t be the case with Roy Keane in charge.

Really ?? A chasing ? He’s got an out of date , rather unimpressive management CV…other than his profile , what actually is impressive about him as a candidate ?

Daily Hibs
25-04-2022, 04:28 PM
That's one outcome. It would be a huge statement by RG and Hibs, as Keane would not come cheap and would expect a sizeable spending pot. If it worked, it could be spectacular. If it failed, could take years for us to recover. High risk, me thinks.
I agree that it's a risk but it's a risk worth taking with Ron as owner. Maybe wouldn't be a risk worth taking under Rod and Dempster.

Since452
25-04-2022, 04:31 PM
I liked Ross but didn't like Maloney. One thing they both had in common was they were pretty dull. That is sometimes reflected on the pitch. I'd actually been thinking back to the Lennon days where even his interviews had me feeling like a battle was coming. I think you need a bit of a personality to spark something. Roy Keane has that in abundance. Lennons time turned pear shaped but it was some ride. Right now I'm craving something like that. The club has lost its spark and needs a boost on the park and in the stands. To me if Roy is interested it's a no brainer and Ron should be on a plane right now.

matty_f
25-04-2022, 04:32 PM
Really ?? A chasing ? He’s got an out of date , rather unimpressive management CV…other than his profile , what actually is impressive about him as a candidate ?

His CV as a manager is decent, he’s worked in good coaching jobs since his last managerial appointment, and he has a profile beyond most candidates that would be linked to the Hibs job. The guy is a legend at one of the biggest football clubs on the planet.

If the board didn’t explore the option - even if they don’t ultimately go down that road - then absolutely there would need to be questions asked.

blackpoolhibs
25-04-2022, 04:33 PM
I doubt Roy Keane would be interested in the job, i also doubt Big Ron would even contemplate him for the job, and i'm not that sure he'd make a good manager for us either.

His style of management could even stop players from signing for Hibs, some players especially at our level wouldnt take kindly to knowing their failings in the way he seems to tell folk.

Anyway it's a no from me, and i wont be back if it is him. :greengrin

Vini1875
25-04-2022, 04:35 PM
Not sure one way or the other, but great players don't always become great managers. It has been said that the likes of Alex Ferguson and Jock Stein were fairly ordinary players who studied the game. Maybe as a pundit in the last ten years he has had a chance to study what works and what doesn't on the other hand it might be a culture shock to go from watching Champions League and EPL football to trying to get a result in Dingwall on a wet and windy Wednesday evening in November.

Keane would be a big gamble for us.

bigwheel
25-04-2022, 04:36 PM
His CV as a manager is decent, he’s worked in good coaching jobs since his last managerial appointment, and he has a profile beyond most candidates that would be linked to the Hibs job. The guy is a legend at one of the biggest football clubs on the planet.

If the board didn’t explore the option - even if they don’t ultimately go down that road - then absolutely there would need to be questions asked.

His management CV at Sunderland was decent . His Ipswich time was a disaster..eleven years ago. Nothing since - none of his assistant roles went well - they lasted less than 12 months - other than the ROI role - but hard to compare that with club football ..

Worth a chat sure - but if that’s as good as we get I’ll be worried ..

hibbyfraelibby
25-04-2022, 04:41 PM
We could appoint Ronald McDonalds clown. That would get the world to take notice. High profile. I doubt match days would be dull too. It’s a win win.

Depends on whether you go large and if you've already got the toy...

04Sauzee
25-04-2022, 04:43 PM
His management CV at Sunderland was decent . His Ipswich time was a disaster..eleven years ago. Nothing since - none of his assistant roles went well - they lasted less than 12 months - other than the ROI role - but hard to compare that with club football ..

Worth a chat sure - but if that’s as good as we get I’ll be worried ..
He's come out and stated he wouldn't be an assistant at club football again. His stint at ROI was a relevant success. I'm not bigging him up but he's not been disastrous.

The concern I have is after listening to him I think he sees himself as more of a manager and wouldn't be taking most of the training so would need an experienced coaching no2 alongside a David Gray.

bigwheel
25-04-2022, 04:48 PM
He's come out and stated he wouldn't be an assistant at club football again. His stint at ROI was a relevant success. I'm not bigging him up but he's not been disastrous.

The concern I have is after listening to him I think he sees himself as more of a manager and wouldn't be taking most of the training so would need an experienced coaching no2 alongside a David Gray.

It’s the “nothing for eleven years” that turn an unimpressive poor stint at Ipswich into a poor management CV …

If he didn’t have his profile , nobody would be pitching for him - this is a personality appointment..and we need a good manager, not just a personality…

Hibbyradge
25-04-2022, 04:50 PM
Terry Butcher definitely not as well known worldwide as Roy Keane, big marketing opportunity if we get him in


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What marketing opportunities would it open up?

bingo70
25-04-2022, 04:51 PM
He's come out and stated he wouldn't be an assistant at club football again. His stint at ROI was a relevant success. I'm not bigging him up but he's not been disastrous.

The concern I have is after listening to him I think he sees himself as more of a manager and wouldn't be taking most of the training so would need an experienced coaching no2 alongside a David Gray.

I don’t see that as a bad thing. Not everybody is good at everything so know you’re strengths and play to them.

Ian Cathro is meant to be an excellent coach but was a terrible manager, there’s bound to be loads of people like that around. If Keane is good at the people management side and brought in someone who is excellent at the coaching then that would work. Absolutely no insight but I wonder if one of the reasons it went wrong at Ipswich was because he didn’t recognise that and tried to do it all himself?

MikeyS
25-04-2022, 04:52 PM
It’s the “nothing for eleven years” that turn an unimpressive poor stint at Ipswich into a poor management CV …

If he didn’t have his profile , nobody would be pitching for him - this is a personality appointment..and we need a good manager, not just a personality…

I've said it previously, I would love Roy Keane here as I'm a huge fan of is but that has to have alarm bells ringing. We wouldn't consider David O'Leary, for example, even though he had a great side going at Leeds all those years ago.

My hope is that we are sounding out Daniel F@rke. Highly unlikely to be interested but if you dinnae ask, you dinnae get.

cameronw-hfc
25-04-2022, 04:53 PM
Whilst I've said he's not my first choice, I wouldn't hate the appointment when you see some names being thrown around. Would rather we didn't but would support him if he got it.

Hibbyradge
25-04-2022, 04:55 PM
If someone who is known worldwide and is the character of Roy Keane is interested in becoming manager, you appoint him. It instantly raises the profile of the club and sets a standard.

It might raise the profile, but what standard would it set?

And how would it reinvigorate and galvanise the club?

All these expressions sound brilliant, but without some substance, they're just meaningless clichés.

Yorkshire HFC
25-04-2022, 04:55 PM
Really ?? A chasing ? He’s got an out of date , rather unimpressive management CV…other than his profile , what actually is impressive about him as a candidate ?

Apparently he's funny on tv - I've not got Sky so I have no idea.

It's the age of the internet - in 20 years everything will be decided on twitter polls.

Hibbyradge
25-04-2022, 04:56 PM
I wont be back if it's him.

I'd get a hospitality box.

04Sauzee
25-04-2022, 04:56 PM
I don’t see that as a bad thing. Not everybody is good at everything so know you’re strengths and play to them.

Ian Cathro is meant to be an excellent coach but was a terrible manager, there’s bound to be loads of people like that around. If Keane is good at the people management side and brought in someone who is excellent at the coaching then that would work. Absolutely no insight but I wonder if one of the reasons it went wrong at Ipswich was because he didn’t recognise that and tried to do it all himself?
Agree with what you say , just pointing out that I don't think it's just the Keane appointment it's who he's going to rely on regarding implementing the training. No idea who he worked with at Sunderland and Ipswich?

greenlex
25-04-2022, 04:59 PM
I'd get a hospitality box.
Chicken nuggets and burgers.

bingo70
25-04-2022, 05:02 PM
It might raise the profile, but what standard would it set?

And how would it reinvigorate and galvanise the club?

All these expressions sound brilliant, but without some substance, they're just meaningless clichés.

His actions would set the first one, we can’t answer that on a forum, it’s just what he would need to do behind closed doors. We do have an idea about his high expectations from his media work though.

I think it would reinvigorate and galvanise the club as he’s got a big personality and I think the team and club have needed that for a while. It would be an ambitious appointment and would generate a bit excitement around the place. FWIW my Hibs supporting mates are all excited at the prospect. The vibe I’m getting from the real world out there is very different to what I’m reading on here.

HibbyAndy
25-04-2022, 05:03 PM
Chicken nuggets and burgers.

Prawn sandwich :wink:

B.H.F.C
25-04-2022, 05:15 PM
His actions would set the first one, we can’t answer that on a forum, it’s just what he would need to do behind closed doors. We do have an idea about his high expectations from his media work though.

I think it would reinvigorate and galvanise the club as he’s got a big personality and I think the team and club have needed that for a while. It would be an ambitious appointment and would generate a bit excitement around the place. FWIW my Hibs supporting mates are all excited at the prospect. The vibe I’m getting from the real world out there is very different to what I’m reading on here.

Similar to you, everyone I’ve spoken to would be excited by it.

In terms of reinvigorating the club his profile alone would get people interested and I think it would almost certainly help us sell more season tickets.

Whether he was any good beyond that, who knows, but you could say that about any appointment.

basehibby
25-04-2022, 05:16 PM
Keane sounds like an exciting appointment but I get the concerns some have.

He is 100% NOT a rookie in management which is a plus after Maloney - he is a massive personality in football with a reputation as an uncompromising taskmaster. I have no doubt that Keane would demand committed displays and would stand for no **** - but of course management is a multi-faceted role which ideally demands a great coach/team player/financial juggler/psychologist/motivator/tactical genius/work ethic and much more.

Keane would be box office in the first instance - there is no doubt about that. But for that to have any lasting impact he would need to combine his obvious appeal with a suitable balance of the above listed skills and abilities to feed into that all important barrometer - results on the field of play!

Sometimes great players make great managers but not always. Keane certainly appears to have a burning desire and passion which will stand him in great stead and I would like to see us take a gamble on him. Hibs is a big job with big pressures but I reckon Keane will take that in his stride. He will put out motivated sides and will have a certain pull - of these things we can be pretty confident. Whether he has the tactical nous and an eye for a player within Hibs' budget constraints remains to be seen but there's only one way to find that out for sure ....... get him in Ron!

MWHIBBIES
25-04-2022, 05:17 PM
If someone who is known worldwide and is the character of Roy Keane is interested in becoming manager, you appoint him. It instantly raises the profile of the club and sets a standard.

So is being famous all you need? Have we asked Tiger Woods or Robert Downey Jnr yet?

Hibbyradge
25-04-2022, 05:19 PM
His actions would set the first one, we can’t answer that on a forum, it’s just what he would need to do behind closed doors. We do have an idea about his high expectations from his media work though.

I think it would reinvigorate and galvanise the club as he’s got a big personality and I think the team and club have needed that for a while. It would be an ambitious appointment and would generate a bit excitement around the place. FWIW my Hibs supporting mates are all excited at the prospect. The vibe I’m getting from the real world out there is very different to what I’m reading on here.

Butcher had a huge personality but that galvanised nothing.

He can galvanise and reinvigorate all he wants, but if he's not got a scooby about handling players, the different demands of Scottish football, setting teams up appropriately and changing things when required etc etc, then any positivity from those who want him would disappear very quickly.

I do understand why folk are excited at the prospect, but the truth is, if he wasn't on the telly, he'd be dismissed by the vast majority, if not unanimously.

bingo70
25-04-2022, 05:22 PM
Butcher had a huge personality but that galvanised nothing.

He can galvanise and reinvigorate all he wants, but if he's not got a scooby about handling players, the different demands of Scottish football, setting teams up appropriately and changing things when required etc etc, then any positivity from those who want him would disappear very quickly.

I do understand why folk are excited at the prospect, but the truth is, if he wasn't on the telly, he'd be dismissed by the vast majority, if not unanimously.

I disagree about Butchers personality.

Totally different personality to Keane and a lot less likeable IMO. I always thought he was an erse.

Niffy
25-04-2022, 05:24 PM
So is being famous all you need? Have we asked Tiger Woods or Robert Downey Jnr yet?

Iron Man !! Now you’re talking.

MikeyS
25-04-2022, 05:29 PM
Iron Man !! Now you’re talking.

I will not be back if its him.

blackpoolhibs
25-04-2022, 05:31 PM
What about Sol Campbell, he's actually managed recently?

bigwheel
25-04-2022, 05:33 PM
What about Sol Campbell, he's actually managed recently?

Hahaha. Possibly the worst record of anyone suggested [emoji1787]. Can only assume your on the wind up.

Hibbyradge
25-04-2022, 05:40 PM
I disagree about Butchers personality.

Totally different personality to Keane and a lot less likeable IMO. I always thought he was an erse.

Personality doesn't win football matches, Bingo, that's my point.

He last managed a team 11 years ago where he failed and was sacked.

Why would anyone even give him a second thought?

It's only because he's on the telly. That's all.

blackpoolhibs
25-04-2022, 05:41 PM
Hahaha. Possibly the worst record of anyone suggested [emoji1787]. Can only assume your on the wind up.

I've no idea what his record is, i just heard him talking recently on the radio about chairmen not giving him a chance.:greengrin

Daily Hibs
25-04-2022, 05:41 PM
So is being famous all you need? Have we asked Tiger Woods or Robert Downey Jnr yet?
Can I just ask why you reply to every post with a question?

you seem to respond with a question back to each poster as if you know better without prvoiding any input to the topic.

Zambernardi1875
25-04-2022, 05:44 PM
16 pages and he’s no even signed yet

Paulie Walnuts
25-04-2022, 05:45 PM
Personality doesn't win football matches, Bingo, that's my point.

He last managed a team 11 years ago where he failed and was sacked.

Why would anyone even give him a second thought?

It's only because he's on the telly. That's all.

:agree:

The simple fact he’s Roy Keane shouldn’t be enough to get him the job.

When you look at his record and the fact he last managed a decade ago then he shouldn’t really be anywhere near it.

GreenGray
25-04-2022, 05:50 PM
I’m not ruling him out for poor results, I’m ruling him out because I keep being told his best attribute is that he wouldn’t accept low standards and apparently he wouldn’t allow teams to walk all over us. These results and many others make a mockery of that assumption. Add this to his **** record in Derbies and his awful record in cup completions then you’ll get close to why I’m ruling him out.

But couldn’t you say the same for any manager we’d be looking at? I can’t imagine any manager out there accepts low standards or teams walking all over them but they all would have suffered big defeats at least once or twice in their career.

Clarence
25-04-2022, 05:55 PM
It was dull as dishwater, as dull as his personality.

Matchday -1 robotic monotone clichéd chat. Just dull with an atrocious record against our rivals.

Pendant alert but the saying is "dull as ditch water" not "dull as dish water". Dish water, if you look closely enough, has lots of colourful bubbles and is anything but dull.

bingo70
25-04-2022, 06:01 PM
Personality doesn't win football matches, Bingo, that's my point.

He last managed a team 11 years ago where he failed and was sacked.

Why would anyone even give him a second thought?

It's only because he's on the telly. That's all.

It’s because people are familiar with him and like him.

The fact he last managed a team 11 years ago has been well covered, he’s not been out the game since then though.

I don’t think anybody is suggesting his personality alone will make him a good manager, it will however create some excitement and that’s something that’s been missing from the club a lot in recent years and something a lot of us crave.

thebausburst
25-04-2022, 06:02 PM
I just can’t imagine Ron and Ben working with Keane, just cannot see it.

Alex Trager
25-04-2022, 06:07 PM
Patrick McPartlin (@p_mcpartlin) Tweeted:
Latest on those Roy Keane links with Hibs…

https://t.co/4jPKPJj8C8

It seems it is true

A Hi-Bee
25-04-2022, 06:11 PM
It's been a while since he managed a club, but was he not assistant manager at a very high level at 3 different teams, working alongside Martin O'Neil being one.

Go get him Ron, bring him to the original greens.

:thumbsup:

LaMotta
25-04-2022, 06:15 PM
Pendant alert but the saying is "dull as ditch water" not "dull as dish water". Dish water, if you look closely enough, has lots of colourful bubbles and is anything but dull.

The original saying was Dull as Ditch Water and originated in the 1700s, however it became also common in the 1900s to say Dull as Dishwater and now both are commonly used in modern day parlance .:smug:

LaMotta
25-04-2022, 06:17 PM
Patrick McPartlin (@p_mcpartlin) Tweeted:
Latest on those Roy Keane links with Hibs…

https://t.co/4jPKPJj8C8

It seems it is true


Don't think that really tells us too much to be honest, other than we are drawing up a list of names and will take our time in making an appointment?

007
25-04-2022, 06:24 PM
In Roy Keane's managerial career he has suffered:

15 defeats by three or more goals
4 defeats by four or more goals
2 defeats by five or more goals
1 defeat by six or more goals


Considering the relatively short time he was a manager (roughly 4 seasons), that's almost four hammerings a season. Not great.

The way you've presented those stats is very unclear.

Is it:
11 defeats by 3 goals
2 defeats by 4 goals
1 defeat by 5 goals
1 defeat by 6 goals?

Keith_M
25-04-2022, 06:34 PM
Pendant alert but the saying is "dull as ditch water" not "dull as dish water". Dish water, if you look closely enough, has lots of colourful bubbles and is anything but dull.


Pedant Alert: I think the word you're looking for is 'pedant', not 'pendant'

Hibbyradge
25-04-2022, 06:36 PM
It’s because people are familiar with him and like him.

The fact he last managed a team 11 years ago has been well covered, he’s not been out the game since then though.

I don’t think anybody is suggesting his personality alone will make him a good manager, it will however create some excitement and that’s something that’s been missing from the club a lot in recent years and something a lot of us crave.


It’s because people are familiar with him and like him.



Yes, people are familiar with him because he's on the telly.

He's a failed manager and he's done a couple of coaching jobs from which he's either walked away or been asked to leave.

We've had loads of excitement at the club. Cup finals, third place, European trips, sometimes we even get excited by new players, but like what will quickly happen with any excitement created if this TV personality was to get the manager's job, it will quickly dissapate and we'll be left with what we do on the pitch.

Anyway, were all just repeating the same circular arguments so it's a bit pointless to continue.

I doubt he wants the job, and I doubt that we'll even offer it to him, but if by some twist of fate he does arrive, then I and everyone else, will hope that you're right.

bingo70
25-04-2022, 06:39 PM
Yes, people are familiar with him because he's on the telly.

He's a failed manager and he's done a couple of coaching jobs from which he's either walked away or been asked to leave.

We've had loads of excitement at the club. Cup finals, third place, European trips, sometimes we even get excited by new players, but like what will quickly happen with any excitement created if this TV personality was to get the manager's job, it will quickly dissapate and we'll be left with what we do on the pitch.

Anyway, were all just repeating the same circular arguments so it's a bit pointless to continue.

I doubt he wants the job, and I doubt that we'll even offer it to him, but if by some twist of fate he does arrive, then I and everyone else, will hope that you're right.

You say he’s a failed manager, he’s had 2 jobs, one he was a huge success, the other he undoubtedly failed.

If we are wanting an experienced manager, we’ll get one that’s failed somewhere.

Keith_M
25-04-2022, 06:43 PM
What's Graeme Souness up to these days?

Danderhall Hibs
25-04-2022, 06:48 PM
Just read the EEN article and it reminded me he was at Villa with Paul Lambert - how about him as a shout?

mcohibs
25-04-2022, 06:49 PM
Pedant Alert: I think the word you're looking for is 'pedant', not 'pendant'

Brilliant :greengrin

Hibbyradge
25-04-2022, 06:50 PM
What's Graeme Souness up to these days?

Experienced, well known, high profile, on the telly and a bit of a bam.

Go get him Ron.

Paulie Walnuts
25-04-2022, 06:51 PM
Just read the EEN article and it reminded me he was at Villa with Paul Lambert - how about him as a shout?

Is Lambert not an atrocious manager?

Looks like he was decent until 2012 and the last decade has been varying degrees of crap.

Danderhall Hibs
25-04-2022, 06:55 PM
Is Lambert not an atrocious manager?

Looks like he was decent until 2012 and the last decade has been varying degrees of crap.

Done more than Keane hasn’t he? - generally keeps himself in a job? Doesn’t do Sky Sports though on the downside.

bingo70
25-04-2022, 06:57 PM
Done more than Keane hasn’t he? - generally keeps himself in a job? Doesn’t do Sky Sports though on the downside.

Couldn’t work on sky sports as he mumbles.

Danderhall Hibs
25-04-2022, 07:00 PM
Couldn’t work on sky sports as he mumbles.

Good point. Can we just get Micah in as the manager then - don’t need to pay Keane as well.

LaMotta
25-04-2022, 07:06 PM
Experienced, well known, high profile, on the telly and a bit of a bam.

Go get him Ron.

Not looking for a managerial job, hasn't discussed it with his family etc and of course is a hun. :greengrin