Maloney Gone

[Dashing Bob S]

Results driven business so understandable decision although I would have given him the summer. Two managers sacked in one season, embarrassing.

Yes

[WhileTheChief..]

Who the hell is going to apply to be Hibs manager?

Build a club philosophy, aye right, how's that going to happen when we keep sacking managers?

How long has Simeone been at Atletico Madrid? We're supposedly trying to copy them.

Who are we appointing? Dick Campbell?


One of the top jobs in the country. A shot at Europe if you're half decent. A cracking city to work in. A fantastic stadium and training complex. Tremendous fans.

We will be inundated with applications.

[A Hi-Bee]

Strange- from bbc rumours pages this morning.
Hibernian midfielder Chris Cadden says the Edinburgh club's players are right behind manager Shaun Maloney despite their side missing out on a top-six finish and losing to Hearts in Saturday's Scottish Cup semi-final. (The Scotsman) (https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-players-right-behind-shaun-maloney-despite-pain-of-losing-hampden-derby-to-hearts-3657456)

[Cropley10]

Yes

On the contrary, plenty of people ‘delighted’ with this news.

[snedzuk]

Strange- from bbc rumours pages this morning.
Hibernian midfielder Chris Cadden says the Edinburgh club's players are right behind manager Shaun Maloney despite their side missing out on a top-six finish and losing to Hearts in Saturday's Scottish Cup semi-final. (The Scotsman) (https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-players-right-behind-shaun-maloney-despite-pain-of-losing-hampden-derby-to-hearts-3657456)

I think several of them will find they are right behind Shaun Maloney,. but maybe not in the way they expected.

[basehibby]

Told you last week Maloney was going regardless of the cup result. Same source is telling me Lennon and Brown are the preferred option.

I am not a fan of knee jerk sackings but I reckon this one was more justified than that of Ross - Ross had a 3rd place finish behind him to demonstrate he could walk the walk while Maloney had no such track record. I have been feeling uneasy surveying the last 5 league fixtures thinking that we could easily be dragged into contention for the play offs, so in this instance I am not displeased that our owner is displaying a ruthless decisiveness in responding to relegation form. I feel that David Grey and Eddie May will do no worse than Maloney in these fixtures and in fact - when I think about it - I actually feel MORE confident with them at the helm!

If Lennon & Brown were to be brought aboard I would be delighted - no doubts about what we'd be getting there with no lack of experience or desire.

[Key West]

The sacking of Jack Ross.
Congested fixture list due to
covid.
The loss of Boyle.
The loss of key players due to
injuries ( Magennis, Nisbet and
Doidge ).
The loss of Porteous due to
suspensions.
The sacking of Sean Maloney.

What a season, never known
anything like it.

[LaMotta]

Strange- from bbc rumours pages this morning.
Hibernian midfielder Chris Cadden says the Edinburgh club's players are right behind manager Shaun Maloney despite their side missing out on a top-six finish and losing to Hearts in Saturday's Scottish Cup semi-final. (The Scotsman) (https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-players-right-behind-shaun-maloney-despite-pain-of-losing-hampden-derby-to-hearts-3657456)

If they dont really back the manager, players have to lie in these situations.

[GreenCastle]

One of the top jobs in the country. A shot at Europe if you're half decent. A cracking city to work in. A fantastic stadium and training complex. Tremendous fans.

We will be inundated with applications.

Exactly.

People post what type of midfielder could we sign to improve us..well there are thousands of players better than Josh Campbell in world football so it’s not that hard.

Hibs are a very attractive job for many - do well and you will be well on the way to a bigger job.

[greenlex]

He should never have been Ross’ replacement. If we had to replace Ross it should have been with experience. It really wasn’t the time for an experiment.
Maloney should have been given the last 5 games.
It’s done so we move on.
I don’t think anyone can say Ron Gordon lacks ambition.
Fingers crossed he get it right and soon.

[Stuart93]

I think several of them will find they are right behind Shaun Maloney,. but maybe not in the way they expected.

Here’s hoping, we need a clear out

[Waxy]

This is unreal.Suppose it shows the manager has to get it right or goodbye.
I do think both Jack Ross and Maloney got some bad luck in individual games.
We played well but didnt get results.
No idea what’s next.

[Cropley10]

I am not a fan of knee jerk sackings but I reckon this one was more justified than that of Ross - Ross had a 3rd place finish behind him to demonstrate he could walk the walk while Maloney had no such track record. I have been feeling uneasy surveying the last 5 league fixtures thinking that we could easily be dragged into contention for the play offs, so in this instance I am not displeased that our owner is displaying a ruthless decisiveness in responding to relegation form. I feel that David Grey and Eddie May will do no worse than Maloney in these fixtures and in fact - when I think about it - I actually feel MORE confident with them at the helm!

If Lennon & Brown were to be brought aboard I would be delighted - no doubts about what we'd be getting there with no lack of experience or desire.

Lennon🤣🤣🤣😂

[WhileTheChief..]

Catching up n this thread and it seems like a lot of you think the club is a shambles and that this is a mistake?

To me, this is the first step to sorting things out.

Delighted that RG is in touch with the fan base and could clearly see what most of us have been seeing.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Ha ha, just hours after I posted on another thread that Saturday's effort had at least shown the players wanted to play for him and that perhaps he should be given till at least Christmas.

There's little doubt for me his downfall was doggedly sticking to a system and style the players he had available simply couldn't make effective, even on the back of a pile of results that should have shown even the most inexperienced manager that at least for the short term a more pragmatic approach might have been a good idea. There's a load of good reasons it didn't work out for him like a horrendous injury list, but failure to be flexible is probably the main one. Even so I have to say I got a bit of a shock when I saw he had gone.

In the end the folk running this club right up to Ron Gordon, especially Ron Gordon, have to acknowledge their part in this, they are now one more failed manager away from proving beyond doubt they have no idea how to run a football club, the pressure to get the next one right is massive.

As for the folk calling for Lennon and Brown ...... just f'ing NO .... Hibs were a total mess towards the end of Lennon's time here and the club had become more about the Neil Lennon show than the team on the park and how did Scott Brown fare after being removed from his Celtic bubble, I didn't see much evidence of his much vaunted will to win and 'winners attitude' inspiring the Aberdeen players to greater efforts.

Even if we have sacked two managers in the same season, one after only 4 months, Hibs remain an attractive job for managers, the rewards for getting it right could be massive career wise .... the question is are we even in a position to offer the right financial package and guarantees of a decent transfer budget in order to get a better than average guy into the job?
One thing is for sure, the 'strategy' of bringing in young players in the hope of selling them on at a huge profit has to be supported by also bringing in experienced and proven players in key areas, otherwise that strategy will get absolutely nowhere.

[WhileTheChief..]

If social media is now a barometer (it should never be) then I hope the folks calling for his head are satisfied - you got what you asked for and the door revolves again and we roll the dice. Who would take on the role. One of the brightest prospects in coaching binned. FWIW I think Maloney will go on to have a successful career.

We have now entered the la-la land Aberdeen fans endured post Alex Smith if we’re not careful.

Nah, he's a nobody, with zero reputation anywhere.

Where's the notion come from that he's a bright prospect? Only Ben Kensall seems to think that by all accounts. Everyone else, bar a few Hibs fans, could see he was useless.

[Heisenberg]

Lennon coming back would be a disaster. There’s really no one standing out that I’d want to be honest. Kensell needs to get it right or he’ll be out too.

[LaMotta]

Catching up n this thread and it seems like a lot of you think the club is a shambles and that this is a mistake?

To me, this is the first step to sorting things out.

Delighted that RG is in touch with the fan base and could clearly see what most of us have been seeing.

:agree: Can't actually believe how split opinion is on this. There has never been a clearer case of a Hibs manager being out his depth.

[Since452]

I'm just glad Ron has decided to stop this comedy show before it was too late. Said it before but i can forgive him making a mistake and owning it. I would find it harder to forgive if he persevered with Maloney to save face while more damage was done. Ron hasn't come out of this well but he's shown he has big shoulders and isn't frightened to act.

[madhatter]

I'm just glad Ron has decided to stop this comedy show before it was too late. Said it before but i can forgive him making a mistake and owning it. I would find it harder to forgive if he persevered with Maloney to save face while more damage was done. Ron hasn't come out of this well but he's shown he has big shoulders and isn't frightened to act.

Stop the comedy show? Think it'll be renewed for a new season shortly. New cast.

[Smartie]

Lennon coming back would be a disaster. There’s really no one standing out that I’d want to be honest. Kensell needs to get it right or he’ll be out too.

These are often the situations where our best managers come from though.

A proper process, assess the candidates and give the job to the best one.

I agree that Kensall will be under pressure to get this one right.

[Smartie]

Catching up n this thread and it seems like a lot of you think the club is a shambles and that this is a mistake?

To me, this is the first step to sorting things out.

Delighted that RG is in touch with the fan base and could clearly see what most of us have been seeing.

It's never pleasant punting a manager as it's an admission of failure.

But this is the right move, and - exactly as you say - the first step towards improving things and turning our fortunes around.

Regrettable, but correct.

[Oscar T Grouch]

The cost and reasoning behind SM sacking -
I reckon there's been a really slow uptake of Season Tickets for next season and that is what has forced the owner to hoof Maloney. Maloney was given a duff hand to play imho and it only got worse in terms of injuries as his tenure went on, I also think he was the wrong appointment in the first place, appointing a manager with no experience of managing to a job with very tight goals was always going to fail. I think the owner has taken the gamble that a more inspiring manager will get ST sales flowing again. His last gamble didn't pay off, will his next one?

You'd need to assume we will be paying 3 sets of mangers/coaches when the new guys are appointed (JR was given a new deal and sacked soon after) and will need good ST sales to cover the cost, unless Maloney and his crew were on a probationary contract? It is unusual for managers to accept a pay off unless they were near the end of their contract, that means we will need to keep paying them, or pay them off.

Cost to Hibs -
JR & JP given new deal July 2021, sacked December 2021 - Deal was til Summer 2024
SM appointed on 3.5 year deal in December 2021 along with his 2 choices for coach- Deal was til Summer 2025

I wonder how this will effect the playing budget for the next man in?

[Andymac85]

The right thing to do. Makes way for Lennon and Brown.

Ahahahahahahahahaha!

HA!

[Greenbeard]

Where's Maloney Gone?
(Where's Maloney gone?),
Far far away...

🤣
Woke up this morning and Maloney was gone.
Oooweee, chirpy chirpy cheep cheep.

[Hibs90]

Thank ****. Now get Kensell gone also.

[Hibs90]

And that charlatan Kean also.

[Callum_62]

And that charlatan Kean also.

what the hell has Steve Kean done wrong?

:confused:

[Hibs90]

what the hell has Steve Kean done wrong?

:confused:
Telling first team players they are “finished”

[madhatter]

Kevin Harper's interview on Sky News is very strange considering he has just started a job at the club.

I wouldn't have done that interview if I was in his position. He dealt with it quite well but really strange doing it when you are employed by the club.

[LunasBoots]

Telling first team players they are “finished”

Too many **** heads at the club that talk to much.

[MrRobot]

Telling first team players they are “finished”

Which players, what did he say and how accurate is this?

Seems to be a lot of rumours going round about personnel at the club today which seem to be taken as fact.

[Smartie]

Too many **** heads at the club that talk to much.

Totally agree.

I mean, as fans we feast on titbits of information but Hibs have in the past been very good at giving little away - which is the most dignified and efficient way to operate.

We need to get back to that.

[JimBHibees]

Which players, what did he say and how accurate is this?

Seems to be a lot of rumours going round about personnel at the club today which seem to be taken as fact.

Yep a lot of stirring at the moment never a good thing.

[Since452]

What about these players for next season that Maloney publicly said he'd met before the biggest double header we've had in years? Wonder if we'll see them in the summer?

[Pagan Hibernia]

Catching up n this thread and it seems like a lot of you think the club is a shambles and that this is a mistake?

To me, this is the first step to sorting things out.

Delighted that RG is in touch with the fan base and could clearly see what most of us have been seeing.

I think it’s not so much that people think it’s a mistake to get rid of SM (it isn’t), more so that it’s just an embarrassment that it happened, that you bring in a manager with expansive ideas but no managerial experience, something we all knew was an incredible risk, and you talk about long term ‘projects’ and ‘philosophies’ and then punt him 4 months later.

it just shouldn’t happen. Not for a club that was doing alright (Jack Ross’ autumn blip aside). It shows a lack of something at the top, I don’t even know what. Common sense maybe? Definitely showed a certain arrogance that you can just mould a club like Hibs into a Scottish Ajax just like that.

[JohnM1875]

I think it’s not so much that people think it’s a mistake to get rid of SM (it isn’t), more so that it’s just an embarrassment that it happened, that you bring in a manager with expansive ideas but no managerial experience, something we all knew was an incredible risk, and you talk about long term ‘projects’ and ‘philosophies’ and then punt him 4 months later.

it just shouldn’t happen. Not for a club that was doing alright (Jack Ross’ autumn blip aside). It shows a lack of something at the top, I don’t even know what. Common sense maybe? Definitely showed a certain arrogance that you can just mould a club like Hibs into a Scottish Ajax just like that.

Great post and totally agree.

[tamig]

Catching up n this thread and it seems like a lot of you think the club is a shambles and that this is a mistake?

To me, this is the first step to sorting things out.

Delighted that RG is in touch with the fan base and could clearly see what most of us have been seeing.

Where are you getting that “most of of us” wanted rid of SM? Assuming that’s what you meant.

[SHODAN]

Catching up n this thread and it seems like a lot of you think the club is a shambles and that this is a mistake?

To me, this is the first step to sorting things out.

Delighted that RG is in touch with the fan base and could clearly see what most of us have been seeing.

Most fans didn't want Maloney out as per the poll on here.

[Waxy]

Telling first team players they are “finished”

If thats true that’s brutal amd he should be gone.

[Unseen work]

Where are these rumours coming from?

Kean telling players they’re done? What players? Why? Why would he be involved and telling the first team players this?

Has he said it to the coaches who are maybe to said players and have passed it on?

Is it complete rubbish?

Kensell telling everyone at an event if Maloney lost he was gone? I struggle to believe that one

Maloney throwing his toys out the pram and leaving to be told to come back last week? Again struggling to believe it

[Skol]

Hibs have made a series of bad decisions in recent times and although I agree managers need time, I had some to the feeling that even with time and backing Maloney was not going to turn things around.

It is a brutal decision and I feel for Maloney, however he may himself be relieved the pressure is off him. I wanted him gone before Saturday, and more so when I saw the team and then we softly went 2 down. However I saw enough in the last hour to believe he would be given that time.

We just have to hope we find a good replacement. I would prefer it wasnt Lennon and Brown given what happened when Lennon left. That said I didnt want lennon initially but got to like him when he had the team playing well.

[Shrekko]

I think it’s not so much that people think it’s a mistake to get rid of SM (it isn’t), more so that it’s just an embarrassment that it happened, that you bring in a manager with expansive ideas but no managerial experience, something we all knew was an incredible risk, and you talk about long term ‘projects’ and ‘philosophies’ and then punt him 4 months later.

it just shouldn’t happen. Not for a club that was doing alright (Jack Ross’ autumn blip aside). It shows a lack of something at the top, I don’t even know what. Common sense maybe? Definitely showed a certain arrogance that you can just mould a club like Hibs into a Scottish Ajax just like that.

Exactly this.

I'm stunned Hibs thought this was a good idea mid-way through a season that was going badly. A lot of people on here got very upset when comparisons were made with the Cathro experiment at Hearts early on but it was almost unavoidable- and the fact is, these "experiments" almost never work.

We need to get over this nonsense about "style" just because we had good attacking teams in the 50's and 70's when football was a different game. I've watched us for 40 odd years and we've had footballing entertainment in about 5 of those.

What we need is "substance" and a different mentality.

[Mikey_1875]

Hard lines for Maloney but it never really got going at any point for him. What a miserable tenure at the club. This summer is certainly the biggest for the club since our relegation. The board simply have to get it right this time or it will be Rons head we are all calling for.

[hhibs]

[QUOTE=hibeedonald;6929061]Would have given him until at least the summer.

Didn't realise he had a 3.5 year contract... surely that's going to cost us big time? Unless we had a clause about a top 6 finish?[/QUOTE



Not a chance in hell this will cost us that ,maybe 3 months pay if that,though likely the thick end of 100k

Though it is money we could have used far better for sure
.
The appointments,which I never thought would be good for Hibs,were a serious mistake and if BK was the prime mover on them he will be out the door sooner than later,his contract likely to be tighter than Maloneys

[Lago]

Come back Jack Ross, all is forgiven.
No its not
Lot of fake news on here just now.

[hhibs]

The decline started when she was here …she had her wonderful chapter - but didn’t leave the club in a good place either


Completely agree with you.

[Vini1875]

I don't think it is a bad thing to change managers when it is not working out. I think the demands at Hibs should be very high and managers arriving should know that, as should the players. I would have gotten rid of Jack Ross after the SC Final, when he failed yet again to get a result on the big stage. Shaun Maloney failed again and again to win to secure a top six finish. The two hearts games showed how far behind we are. In his defence injuries have been horrendous, but some of the results against much weaker teams were very hard to bear.

None of the names put forward at present thrill me, so hopefully come the end of the season they will find someone who has the qualities to really take us forward.

[ancient hibee]

It is always,always a mistake to try and force a new system on players who can’t do it. I’m amazed even an inexperienced coach like Maloney didn’t understand this.Maybe he didn’t get the right advice or didn’t realise the huge gulf between international and ordinary players.

[huggie1875]

How can anyone be surprised after his Butcher like comments last week blaming everyone but himself now whoever is next please Ron not another apprenticeship

[Steve88]

Some leaks of what's been happening behind the scenes beginning to surface in the papers..


https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/shaun-maloney-bemused-hibs-board-23724491

[chrisski33]

Maloneys appointment was probably a case of too early for him at his stage of his career

[bigwheel]

Maloneys appointment was probably a case of too early for him at his stage of his career

That’s fair …you wonder why that wasn’t obvious before they appointed him …many of us thought so ….

[Smartie]

Some leaks of what's been happening behind the scenes beginning to surface in the papers..


https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/shaun-maloney-bemused-hibs-board-23724491

I find this weird.

I mean - the starting line-up and the subs were baffling - but he actually got a half decent performance out of a group of players who have barely kicked a ball for him.

If he's been punted, it surely be for the months of nonsense leading up to Saturday rather than Saturday in isolation which was a game that went the wrong way based on fine margins.

The performance following the substitution from when Drey Wright went down injured the week before was the sort of stuff that gets managers sacked imo.

[Hibiza]

He can get lost. We are in this mess partly due to him.

Mostly

[Onceinawhile]

I find this weird.

I mean - the starting line-up and the subs were baffling - but he actually got a half decent performance out of a group of players who have barely kicked a ball for him.

If he's been punted, it surely be for the months of nonsense leading up to Saturday rather than Saturday in isolation which was a game that went the wrong way based on fine margins.

From performance following the substitution from when Drey Wright went down injured the week before was the sort of stuff that gets managers sacked imo.

to be honest, the only thing I found odd was that James Scott started. But I thought that was an indictment of our previous two transfer windows as much as it was SM's fault to be honest.

[blackpoolhibs]

The right thing to do. Makes way for Lennon and Brown.

God i hope you are right, that would not be a popular appointement with some, but i'd love it.:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[bigwheel]

God i hope you are right, that would not be a popular appointement with some, but i'd love it.:thumbsup::thumbsup:

I’d be up for that too

[007]

Hibs are a mess right now, Ross deserved time as did Maloney, Gordon running this as a business and not as a football club. Who'll want the job now, poisoned challis, we're a laughing stock now.

https://i.ibb.co/8gb4JNt/boycie.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

[Joe6-2]

Caldwell, Zukas and Doogan all away too.

Thank fk, Caldwell should never have been anywhere near ER

[500miles]

I find this weird.

I mean - the starting line-up and the subs were baffling - but he actually got a half decent performance out of a group of players who have barely kicked a ball for him.

If he's been punted, it surely be for the months of nonsense leading up to Saturday rather than Saturday in isolation which was a game that went the wrong way based on fine margins.

The performance following the substitution from when Drey Wright went down injured the week before was the sort of stuff that gets managers sacked imo.

My concern now is that the board is unhappy that he picked an experienced team of established players rather than thier new signings.

That's not thier place, because he got the team right.

[Joe6-2]

I find this weird.

I mean - the starting line-up and the subs were baffling - but he actually got a half decent performance out of a group of players who have barely kicked a ball for him.

If he's been punted, it surely be for the months of nonsense leading up to Saturday rather than Saturday in isolation which was a game that went the wrong way based on fine margins.

The performance following the substitution from when Drey Wright went down injured the week before was the sort of stuff that gets managers sacked imo.

This

[cabbageandribs1875]

fair to say caldwell was a bizarre appointment, SM's wish i presume

[LewysGot2]

fair to say caldwell was a bizarre appointment, SM's wish i presume

The brass neck of him to come back.

[JeMeSouviens]

https://i.ibb.co/8gb4JNt/boycie.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

Thought you'd posted a pic of Levein for a second there.

[Unseen work]

Some leaks of what's been happening behind the scenes beginning to surface in the papers..


https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/shaun-maloney-bemused-hibs-board-23724491


Couple of points;

Maloney was surely well aware of who we were after, had lined up to join and was happy with it.

Clarke - Probably our best signing and one Maloney said was a huge blow when injured
Henderson - Knew from Celtic
Rocky - Allegedly his choice over Sibbick
Mitchell - Said he knew of him before (tbf I never believed this at the time) and liked his pace and directness
Melkersen - Phoned him on Christmas Day hoping to get it one and liked what he saw
Jasper - Wanted someone good in 1 v 1 scenarios etc

So I imagine it’s more the business we never done in addition to that, I said at the time though I’m not sure how Maloney’s player knowledge would be for a club like ours.

Re the semi final that’s blew my mind a bit, it surely can’t have been made because of his tactics. Who is the owner and ceo to question his tactics? Fair enough if it was decided over the last 4 months etc but not one game.

[Colr]

Well. We thought we’d have nothing much to keep us occupied for the rest of the season🙃. Not now!

[WhileTheChief..]

Where are you getting that “most of of us” wanted rid of SM? Assuming that’s what you meant.


Most fans didn't want Maloney out as per the poll on here.

Sorry, I should have said “a lot” instead of “most”.

Happy now?!

[chrisski33]

That’s fair …you wonder why that wasn’t obvious before they appointed him …many of us thought so ….
Yes but maybe the first clear sign that the owners and some of the new staff have no idea of what they are doing. Worrying very worrying

[I'm Spartacus]

If there was one performance that merited more time, then it was Saturday's, I was not a fan of the tactics myself as I think we are better than hammer throwing, but the passages of play were very good at times.

[JohnM1875]

Some leaks of what's been happening behind the scenes beginning to surface in the papers..


https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/shaun-maloney-bemused-hibs-board-23724491

Sounds like BS to me. The semi was the best we'd played under Maloney so surely that wasn't the reason he was punted.

[jacomo]

Maloneys appointment was probably a case of too early for him at his stage of his career


Others have succeeded at the same age and similar or less experience. The question is how will someone adapt to being the man in charge?

My biggest concern was his attitude in his first few weeks seemed similar to Hecky… like there was an urgent need to impart his football wisdom but our players could only cope with so much at a time.

There is an arrogance and naivety there of someone who is over-compensating for their lack of experience as a leader.

As always, it’s not just about one guy though. Did he have the right team around him? Did the hierarchy support him?

Watching the dug out on match day, you’d assume SDG was the no.2 because he always seemed more animated and keen to discuss issues with Maloney. I was never sure what Caldwell was doing.

[SlickShoes]

Couple of points;

Maloney was surely well aware of who we were after, had lined up to join and was happy with it.

Clarke - Probably our best signing and one Maloney said was a huge blow when injured
Henderson - Knew from Celtic
Rocky - Allegedly his choice over Sibbick
Mitchell - Said he knew of him before (tbf I never believed this at the time) and liked his pace and directness
Melkersen - Phoned him on Christmas Day hoping to get it one and liked what he saw
Jasper - Wanted someone good in 1 v 1 scenarios etc

So I imagine it’s more the business we never done in addition to that, I said at the time though I’m not sure how Maloney’s player knowledge would be for a club like ours.

Re the semi final that’s blew my mind a bit, it surely can’t have been made because of his tactics. Who is the owner and ceo to question his tactics? Fair enough if it was decided over the last 4 months etc but not one game.

That fact that we were 2-0 down within the first 20 odd minutes was probably why they were raging, I can imagine the rest is paper spin, who knows what part of what they write is even true.

[jacomo]

Once again, the timing of this sacking is bizarre and stupid.

I was far from impressed with Shaun Maloney but tempered my criticism because the club had obviously made a brave appointment and had invested in young players with potential.

These factors meant the current season was a write off but maybe - just maybe - it would all come together and prove to be worth it.

I don’t know what Ron wants, I really don’t. Surely he knew the club was making a big gamble back in December? In which case, you try and stay in the game, right? Not just cash out after early setbacks.

[B.H.F.C]

Once again, the timing of this sacking is bizarre and stupid.

I was far from impressed with Shaun Maloney but tempered my criticism because the club had obviously made a brave appointment and had invested in young players with potential.

These factors meant the current season was a write off but maybe - just maybe - it would all come together and prove to be worth it.

I don’t know what Ron wants, I really don’t. Surely he knew the club was making a big gamble back in December? In which case, you try and stay in the game, right? Not just cash out after early setbacks.

Said before the derbies there was no way he could survive two defeats.

We don’t look like winning a game under him so there is still the threat of getting dragged in to something we shouldn’t.

As much as I was surprised this morning, I don’t think it’s particularly bizarre or anything like that. I think our problems go beyond the manager but I don’t think he can really argue based on results and performances and I say that as someone who thinks he’s had a fair bit go against him.

[leith lynx]

Thank fk, Caldwell should never have been anywhere near ER

Agree 100%

[A Hi-Bee]

Once again, the timing of this sacking is bizarre and stupid.

I was far from impressed with Shaun Maloney but tempered my criticism because the club had obviously made a brave appointment and had invested in young players with potential.

These factors meant the current season was a write off but maybe - just maybe - it would all come together and prove to be worth it.

I don’t know what Ron wants, I really don’t. Surely he knew the club was making a big gamble back in December? In which case, you try and stay in the game, right? Not just cash out after early setbacks.

Along with us now being seriously way behind the ggunts from tincastle when it comes to finance, this season has probably costs Hibs the best part of 5 to 6 million, thats roughly how much the ggunts will now get for finishing 3rd and getting into Europe for a min of 8 games. That is all extra money.
Of all seasons to screw up this one was perhaps the worst, for the potential it could have offered. Its a long way back now, so he has to get the next manager and his team right.
Lenny & Brown would do for me, at least bring some entertainment and a hardness back to Easter Road.

[hibsbollah]

Once again, the timing of this sacking is bizarre and stupid.

I was far from impressed with Shaun Maloney but tempered my criticism because the club had obviously made a brave appointment and had invested in young players with potential.

These factors meant the current season was a write off but maybe - just maybe - it would all come together and prove to be worth it.

I don’t know what Ron wants, I really don’t. Surely he knew the club was making a big gamble back in December? In which case, you try and stay in the game, right? Not just cash out after early setbacks.

I’m disappointed he’s gone. Obviously Saturday was a brutal day for the club but the performance was good enough to show me improvement was on the cards. I wasn’t in favour of sacking Jack Ross and I’m not in favour of this sacking either. I fear for the next appointment; I’d be more in favour of David Gray getting the job despite his lack of experience than a ‘safe pair of hands’ from the Sportsound stable who would bore me to death.

Without some major spending on the squad we are really at rock bottom.

[Skol]

I’m disappointed he’s gone. Obviously Saturday was a brutal day for the club but the performance was good enough to show me improvement was on the cards. I wasn’t in favour of sacking Jack Ross and I’m not in favour of this sacking either. I fear for the next appointment; I’d be more in favour of David Gray getting the job despite his lack of experience than a ‘safe pair of hands’ from the Sportsound stable who would bore me to death.

Without some major spending on the squad we are really at rock bottom.

I think Gray for the rest of the season is OK and he had started to show signs of progress in his short time between Ross and Maloney. However I dont think he is the long term answer and is as much of a risk as Maloney was.

This really is a big decision for Hibs and one they have to get right

[FitbaFolkKen]

Do you know what, this is brilliant. At least things are a wee bit exciting again, I never took to Maloney but I'm surprised at how ruthless we have been, but I do wish him as his team well.

I would expect that we have gone down the 3 month severance package for the management team, the reason Appleton didn't join us, so it won't be as heavy a hit as many would think.

Daniel ****e, Slavisa Jokanivic, Markus Schopp, Mick McCarthy, Mark Van Bommell all out of work ;)

I think we will go for someone as a statement of intent, much like when we got Lennon when in the Championship. Give them some proper backing and come out flying next season.

[Hibernia&Alba]

If we sack a manager after five months, those who appointed the guy need to to be held accountable also. How did they get it so wrong?

We are a circus just now; I'm losing faith in Ron Gordon. He must make sure the next manager is the right choice!

Feel for Shaun, sacked literally weeks into the job. IMHO, we should have at least finished the season before taking stock.

[Steven79]

If we sack a manager after five months, those who appointed the guy need to to be held accountable also. How did they get it so wrong?

We are a circus just now; I'm losing faith in Ron Gordon. He must make sure the next manager is the right choice!

Feel for Shaun, sacked literally weeks into the job. IMHO, we should have at least finished the season before taking stock.

That wen't so well with Butcher in charge...

[Skol]

Said before the derbies there was no way he could survive two defeats.

We don’t look like winning a game under him so there is still the threat of getting dragged in to something we shouldn’t.

As much as I was surprised this morning, I don’t think it’s particularly bizarre or anything like that. I think our problems go beyond the manager but I don’t think he can really argue based on results and performances and I say that as someone who thinks he’s had a fair bit go against him.

I think your middle paragraph is exactly it for me.

I dont think we should be chopping and changing managers and although I had my doubts about Maloney initially I felt he needed time. Those first two wins suggested he may have been a good appointment.

However when I sat and watched us toil against Cove, I was really worried as there was just so much glaringly wrong that night. Since then we have barely looked like scoring or winning.

The way we set up is wrong, we invite pressure on ourselves - eg Simms goal was all down to the way maloney wants us to play from the back. We do have a lot of teh ball but barely create chances.

[coldingham hibs]

I would guess if it had anything to do with tactics then it would be down to Maloney requesting players ‘played on the edge’. I’m not sure playing on the edge is a particularly good policy. Maloney taking responsibility for Newell being sent off when he should really have been slating him for letting the team down probably wouldn’t help.

[Hibernia&Alba]

That wen't so well with Butcher in charge...

Not identical situations at all. Butcher was a lunatic who destroyed his relationship with the squad from the off. Sacking a manager with five games left is a strange one. We are in no danger of finishing eleventh.

[Crab apple]

RG is obviously decisive and not afraid to act when he feels something isn't working. There's a logic to getting someone in now, if available, and giving them the rest of the season to assess the squad and start to firm up on transfer moves. Maybe the board have got someone lined up, as they did when replacing JR, but the noises coming out of ER are that they are happy to take their time and obviously Sir David has been put in temporary charge until the end of the season. Whoever comes in at the end of the season will have less time to prepare and will have to hit the ground running.

[Since452]

If we sack a manager after five months, those who appointed the guy need to to be held accountable also. How did they get it so wrong?

We are a circus just now; I'm losing faith in Ron Gordon. He must make sure the next manager is the right choice!

Feel for Shaun, sacked literally weeks into the job. IMHO, we should have at least finished the season before taking stock.

If only that was true. Might have still qualified for Europe. He's been here long enough for folk to see he was out of his depth. Honking appointment.

[MyJo]

Unfortunate for him but it seems to have been too big of a jump to being the main man at a medium sized club rather than an assistant to a good coach, managing some of the best players in the world.

I understood what he was trying to achieve but too often it ended up being tippy tappy nonsense in our own half putting ourselves under massive amounts of pressure whilst having zero cutting edge up front. Might work when you've got guys like De Bruyne, Hazard & Lukaku to work with but at our level and with our budget there needs to be a bit of a reality check on what can be acheived and how (with some willingness to change things up and go back to basics to get results.)

I actually think the Jack Ross sacking was less justified that Maloneys. JR had achieved some success and didnt get the benefit of the doubt from the club after a poor run of results while the results since Maloney joined have been dreadful and we're just two more bad results away from being in the relegation playoffs again FFS.

Remember the last time the board stuck by a manager in this situation where we just needed a win to stay safe which we didn't get, then it was just a point against kilmarnock, which we didnt get and then it was just a win against Hamilton, which we didn't get while everyone insisted we were too big to go down only to then go down in the worst way possible.

I think we have the makings of a good squad, there are clearly some players who need to be moved on to make way for better replacements but our overall squad should be nowhere near the bottom six, never mind fighting to stay out of the playoffs.

There will be plenty of people wanting this job. We took a Risk with SM and it hasn't paid off, chalk it up to experience and hopefully RG learns that there is more to it than talking a good game when considering managers in the future.

[WhileTheChief..]

Once again, the timing of this sacking is bizarre and stupid.

I was far from impressed with Shaun Maloney but tempered my criticism because the club had obviously made a brave appointment and had invested in young players with potential.

These factors meant the current season was a write off but maybe - just maybe - it would all come together and prove to be worth it.

I don’t know what Ron wants, I really don’t. Surely he knew the club was making a big gamble back in December? In which case, you try and stay in the game, right? Not just cash out after early setbacks.

If anything, the timing is a couple of weeks late!

By acting now, the new manager will have the whole transfer window, a full pre-season, and maybe a couple of games this season to see if there is anyone he would like to keep.

He can hit the ground running without any of the lame excuses of needing time for the team to gel, or not getting his signings in early enough, or any other guff that we usually come out with.

Fresh start, done in the right way. What's not to like?

This is way more sensible than waiting until October or Xmas, being forced to make the change because we're rank, and writing another season off.

You can already feel the energy and enthusiasm on here.

The last 4 months have been torture with SM in charge. I can't begin to describe how happy and overjoyed I am at today's decision. I'm getting my club back.

I've not counted, so happy to be proven wrong, but it seems like most / a lot / numerous / plenty folk on here are in full support of this decision.

It's the fans from the last couple of weeks that were calling us bed-wetters that should be embarrassed today.

Our chairman, along with most / a lot / numerous / plenty folk on here, won't accept mediocrity :greengrin:greengrin

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Not confident that SDG can do much better with our squad. He kinda kept to the Ross set up and tactics. Will be interesting to see what formation and style he brings in our next game.

Disappointed that the gamble didn’t work with Shaun, he was up against it with Boyle being sold and with the amount of injuries we had/have.

[Doh Rae Me]

When everyone can see Newell getting a 2nd yellow bar the manager.
Goodbye Maloney, I wish you well for the future.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I’m just glad we don’t have anybody lined up.

The new manager would already be up against it taking over this squad before the end of the season. It’s woeful.

Thankfully he’ll not have to take charge until we’ve had the summer window.

[JeMeSouviens]

Not identical situations at all. Butcher was a lunatic who destroyed his relationship with the squad from the off. Sacking a manager with five games left is a strange one. We are in no danger of finishing eleventh.

It's not impossible. St Johnstone have managed a couple of wins since we failed to beat them at home. If we lose on Saturday and they beat Dundee, bums will be squeakier.

[blackpoolhibs]

It's not impossible. St Johnstone have managed a couple of wins since we failed to beat them at home. If we lose on Saturday and they beat Dundee, bums will be squeakier.

Maloney scunnered me that much with his pish tippy tappy sheite, i dont even know who we play on Saturday.

Will have a quick look now.:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Northernhibee]

Not identical situations at all. Butcher was a lunatic who destroyed his relationship with the squad from the off. Sacking a manager with five games left is a strange one. We are in no danger of finishing eleventh.

If St Johnstone pulled in six points in four games then they’d have a shoot out for the relegation place against us on the final day.

There is no chance in hell that Maloney’s remit was to keep us up this year. He’s been one of our worst ever managers without any redeeming features to his time in the hot seat and we’re well rid.

[cabbageandribs1875]

the short length of time takes me back to when Leeds sacked two brilliant managers

Jock Stein
Brian Clough

coincidentally BOTH lasting just 44 days

[Smartie]

If anything, the timing is a couple of weeks late!

By acting now, the new manager will have the whole transfer window, a full pre-season, and maybe a couple of games this season to see if there is anyone he would like to keep.

He can hit the ground running without any of the lame excuses of needing time for the team to gel, or not getting his signings in early enough, or any other guff that we usually come out with.

Fresh start, done in the right way. What's not to like?

This is way more sensible than waiting until October or Xmas, being forced to make the change because we're rank, and writing another season off.

You can already feel the energy and enthusiasm on here.

The last 4 months have been torture with SM in charge. I can't begin to describe how happy and overjoyed I am at today's decision. I'm getting my club back.

I've not counted, so happy to be proven wrong, but it seems like most / a lot / numerous / plenty folk on here are in full support of this decision.

It's the fans from the last couple of weeks that were calling us bed-wetters that should be embarrassed today.

Our chairman, along with most / a lot / numerous / plenty folk on here, won't accept mediocrity :greengrin:greengrin

The timing is spot on.

He was in with a shout of getting top 6/ top 4 and he was in with a shout of winning the cup. European qualification is important for us and he still had a chance at meeting expectations, even if the football on offer had been unconvincing.

The last 2 games have meant that ultimately we've failed to achieve what we set out to, and so he's had to go. No point in keeping a dead man walking and we can now start preparing properly for the next chapter.

The decision is decisive and prompt and would have been harsh if it had come any earlier.

[Hibernia&Alba]

If St Johnstone pulled in six points in four games then they’d have a shoot out for the relegation place against us on the final day.

There is no chance in hell that Maloney’s remit was to keep us up this year. He’s been one of our worst ever managers without any redeeming features to his time in the hot seat and we’re well rid.

In mitigation, this was his first managerial job; we knew he's a total rookie when we hired him. Didn't the board factor that in to their decision to give him 18 weeks? I would have preferred to finish the season then look again; this looks shambolic. We wouldn't finish eleventh either way, IMO, but it's done now and the board need to be accountable for their appointments.

[LaMotta]

Maloney is the first Hibs manager since Colin Calderwood to win zero Edinburgh derbies.

Calderwood 0/4 (0%)
Fenlon 2/10 (20%)
Butcher 1/3 (33%)
Stubbs 2/6 (33%)
Lennon 3/9 (33%)
Heckingbottom 1/3 (33%)
Ross 1/4 (25%)
Maloney 0/3 (0%)

[Smartie]

Maloney is the first Hibs manager since Colin Calderwood to win zero Edinburgh derbies.

Calderwood 0/4 (0%)
Fenlon 2/10 (20%)
Butcher 1/3 (33%)
Stubbs 2/6 (33%)
Lennon 3/9 (33%)
Heckingbottom 1/3 (33%)
Ross 1/4 (25%)
Maloney 0/3 (0%)

Jesus Christ those are brutal numbers - particularly as my recollection was that we weren't all that bad at derbies under Stubbs and Lennon.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Maloney is the first Hibs manager since Colin Calderwood to win zero Edinburgh derbies.

Calderwood 0/4 (0%)
Fenlon 2/10 (20%)
Butcher 1/3 (33%)
Stubbs 2/6 (33%)
Lennon 3/9 (33%)
Heckingbottom 1/3 (33%)
Ross 1/4 (25%)
Maloney 0/3 (0%)

A terrible record from all of them.

[MWHIBBIES]

Jesus Christ those are brutal numbers - particularly as my recollection was that we weren't all that bad at derbies under Stubbs and Lennon.

loads of draws.

[Hibernian Verse]

A terrible record from all of them.

It's not really, plenty draws. 33% doesn't mean Hearts won the rest.

[MyJo]

Not identical situations at all. Butcher was a lunatic who destroyed his relationship with the squad from the off. Sacking a manager with five games left is a strange one. We are in no danger of finishing eleventh.

We lose to St Mirren, Aberdeen beat Livi and St Johnstone beat Dundee we are 9th and 5 points ahead of 11th

We lose to Livingston and St Johnstone win against St Mirren the following week we are 10th and ahead by 2 points

Lose to Aberdeen and St Johnstone win against Livingston we are 11th

Head to Head with St Johnstone the week after, if we lose we are 4 points behind them and in the playoffs.

[MrRobot]

Maloney is the first Hibs manager since Colin Calderwood to win zero Edinburgh derbies.

Calderwood 0/4 (0%)
Fenlon 2/10 (20%)
Butcher 1/3 (33%)
Stubbs 2/6 (33%)
Lennon 3/9 (33%)
Heckingbottom 1/3 (33%)
Ross 1/4 (25%)
Maloney 0/3 (0%)

This is genuinely grim reading

[Since452]

We lose to St Mirren, Aberdeen beat Livi and St Johnstone beat Dundee we are 9th and 5 points ahead of 11th

We lose to Livingston and St Johnstone win against St Mirren the following week we are 10th and ahead by 2 points

Lose to Aberdeen and St Johnstone win against Livingston we are 11th

Head to Head with St Johnstone the week after, if we lose we are 4 points behind them and in the playoffs.

Sweet dreams children

[jacomo]

If anything, the timing is a couple of weeks late!

By acting now, the new manager will have the whole transfer window, a full pre-season, and maybe a couple of games this season to see if there is anyone he would like to keep.

He can hit the ground running without any of the lame excuses of needing time for the team to gel, or not getting his signings in early enough, or any other guff that we usually come out with.

Fresh start, done in the right way. What's not to like?

This is way more sensible than waiting until October or Xmas, being forced to make the change because we're rank, and writing another season off.

You can already feel the energy and enthusiasm on here.

The last 4 months have been torture with SM in charge. I can't begin to describe how happy and overjoyed I am at today's decision. I'm getting my club back.

I've not counted, so happy to be proven wrong, but it seems like most / a lot / numerous / plenty folk on here are in full support of this decision.

It's the fans from the last couple of weeks that were calling us bed-wetters that should be embarrassed today.

Our chairman, along with most / a lot / numerous / plenty folk on here, won't accept mediocrity :greengrin:greengrin


If you make a radical change, in any line of business, you should be prepared to see it through.

That’s what I don’t get. This is a bad day for Maloney but it’s bad for the hierarchy too. I imagine ‘football people’ won’t be talking about Hibs in very complimentary terms today.

[ClermistonGreen]

Shambles of a regime .
Just saved me 4 season ticket renewals .
Great timing made up our minds for us
All the best to you guys , enjoy !

[MWHIBBIES]

We lose to St Mirren, Aberdeen beat Livi and St Johnstone beat Dundee we are 9th and 5 points ahead of 11th

We lose to Livingston and St Johnstone win against St Mirren the following week we are 10th and ahead by 2 points

Lose to Aberdeen and St Johnstone win against Livingston we are 11th

Head to Head with St Johnstone the week after, if we lose we are 4 points behind them and in the playoffs.

But back in reality, we'll be fine.

[Brizo]

RG has shown again how quick he is to pull the trigger which is indicative of that particular strain of American business ruthlessness. I'm guessing it was done now with an eye on ST renewals whereas leaving SM in charge until the start of next season would have seen them plummet.

While I thought SM was our Cathro and wanted him gone, I hope this isn't going to be the start of a Watford style pattern of revolving-door hiring and firing.

Gordon and Kensell need to get the next one right and how that goes will tell us a lot about their custodianship of our club.

[Jim44]

We lose to St Mirren, Aberdeen beat Livi and St Johnstone beat Dundee we are 9th and 5 points ahead of 11th

We lose to Livingston and St Johnstone win against St Mirren the following week we are 10th and ahead by 2 points

Lose to Aberdeen and St Johnstone win against Livingston we are 11th

Head to Head with St Johnstone the week after, if we lose we are 4 points behind them and in the playoffs.

Nah. Calm down. A couple of experts on this board say ‘we won’t be relegated’. What a relief.:rolleyes:

[Hibernia&Alba]

We lose to St Mirren, Aberdeen beat Livi and St Johnstone beat Dundee we are 9th and 5 points ahead of 11th

We lose to Livingston and St Johnstone win against St Mirren the following week we are 10th and ahead by 2 points

Lose to Aberdeen and St Johnstone win against Livingston we are 11th

Head to Head with St Johnstone the week after, if we lose we are 4 points behind them and in the playoffs.

That combination of results is akin to winning the lottery. We won't finish eleventh, which is why I find the timing odd. If we were in a relegation battle, I could understand it.

[LaMotta]

loads of draws.


It's not really, plenty draws. 33% doesn't mean Hearts won the rest.

There were draws, but.....

For comparison, Hearts won 19 derbies in the same timeframe and Jefferies (67%), Sergio (100%), Locke (57%), Neilson (36%), Levein (40%) and Stendel (50%) all have better derby records than any Hibs manager during this time.

It infuriates me how many times we let them off the hook. Even when they are pish and at a low ebb. Why is it like this?

[MyJo]

That combination of results is akin to winning the lottery. We won't finish eleventh, which is why I find the timing odd. If we were in a relegation battle, I could understand it.

True, things would need to go very badly for us in order for us to be in that position and even the slightest positive result for us or failure from St Johnstone in that sequence should see us safe but the fact it is a real possibility is appalling for us.

[blackpoolhibs]

I think we will be fine now regarding relegation, SDG wont have us pissing about at the back. He will get the team playing to their strengths, and we will pick up enough points to keep us safe.

[CL0762]

There were draws, but.....

For comparison, Hearts won 19 derbies in the same timeframe and Jefferies (67%), Sergio (100%), Locke (57%), Neilson (36%), Levein (40%) and Stendel (50%) all have better derby records than any Hibs manager during this time.

It infuriates me how many times we let them off the hook. Even when they are pish and at a low ebb. Why is it like this?

Because when we’re on our knees, they go for the throat.

When they’re on their knees, it’s ‘just another game’.

[LaMotta]

I think we will be fine now regarding relegation, SDG wont have us pissing about at the back. He will get the team playing to their strengths, and we will pick up enough points to keep us safe.

:agree: I think and hope he will give Scott Allan (our most creative player left this season) a decent chance to influence a game positively as well. This should be enough to see us get a win.

[hibbyfraelibby]

The sacking of Jack Ross.
Congested fixture list due to
covid.
The loss of Boyle.
The loss of key players due to
injuries ( Magennis, Nisbet and
Doidge ).
The loss of Porteous due to
suspensions.
The sacking of Sean Maloney.

What a season, never known
anything like it.

2014?

[Hibernia&Alba]

I think we will be fine now regarding relegation, SDG wont have us pissing about at the back. He will get the team playing to their strengths, and we will pick up enough points to keep us safe.

If we beat St Mirren, that's it put to bed. The play offs are a massive long shot anyway.

[blackpoolhibs]

If we beat St Mirren, that's it put to bed. The play offs are a massive long shot anyway.

I just have nightmares still from the Butcher days.:agree:

[Mcbizz1998]

It really didn’t.

Most Hibs fans couldn’t have really cared less about Caldwell being here or not and Maloney has a working relationship with him. He’s also got experience of being a manager.

The appointment made sense and wasn’t in any way an indication that Maloney was clueless.

How do you know what most Hibs fans care about?

The appointment made no sense, he is a failed Manager and an ex-player who left us high and dry got it up us at every opportunity whilst at Celtic.

Maloney clearly has no idea what hibs are about, no idea what he needed to succeed here, no idea about how to connect with the fans. Aka clueless - Caldwell appointment was the first sign.

[Hibees1973]

I think we will be fine now regarding relegation, SDG wont have us pissing about at the back. He will get the team playing to their strengths, and we will pick up enough points to keep us safe.

Agreed.

[McHibby]

As always, it’s not just about one guy though. Did he have the right team around him? Did the hierarchy support him?

Watching the dug out on match day, you’d assume SDG was the no.2 because he always seemed more animated and keen to discuss issues with Maloney. I was never sure what Caldwell was doing.

His choice of people to support him was an initial worry for me. Ordinarily a young/inexperienced manager will tend to have an "auld heid" beside him, but Maloney had Caldwell (no words needed) and Gray. As much as I love him, DG doesn't have huge amounts of coaching experience and is still very much cutting his own teeth in his move from playing to management.

[JamesHFC]

We lose to St Mirren, Aberdeen beat Livi and St Johnstone beat Dundee we are 9th and 5 points ahead of 11th

We lose to Livingston and St Johnstone win against St Mirren the following week we are 10th and ahead by 2 points

Lose to Aberdeen and St Johnstone win against Livingston we are 11th

Head to Head with St Johnstone the week after, if we lose we are 4 points behind them and in the playoffs.

We are 25/1 with the bookies to finish in the bottom two for a reason. St Johnstone aren’t going to gather 9 points more than us in the split, I’m struggling to find the evidence which suggests they will?

[blackpoolhibs]

His choice of people to support him was an initial worry for me. Ordinarily a young/inexperienced manager will tend to have an "auld heid" beside him, but Maloney had Caldwell (no words needed) and Gray. As much as I love him, DG doesn't have huge amounts of coaching experience and is still very much cutting his own teeth in his move from playing to management.

I think we looked a better side under SDG in the few games he had, than the entire period under Maloney.

[GreenCastle]

Shambles of a regime .
Just saved me 4 season ticket renewals .
Great timing made up our minds for us
All the best to you guys , enjoy !

Surely fans weren’t happy with us dropping points, losing to Hearts twice and hardly scoring a goal.

The club needs a reboot and change was desperately needed.

I’m more optimistic now than I have been for months.

[GreenCastle]

Some leaks of what's been happening behind the scenes beginning to surface in the papers..


https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/shaun-maloney-bemused-hibs-board-23724491

I reckon it was the late bringing on of the subs.

Melkersen and Jasper especially should have been given longer to affect the game.

[Mrimbetween]

[QUOTE=hibeedonald;6929061]Would have given him until at least the summer.

Didn't realise he had a 3.5 year contract... surely that's going to cost us big time? Unless we had a clause about a top 6 finish?[/QUOTE



Not a chance in hell this will cost us that ,maybe 3 months pay if that,though likely the thick end of 100k

Though it is money we could have used far better for sure
.
The appointments,which I never thought would be good for Hibs,were a serious mistake and if BK was the prime mover on them he will be out the door sooner than later,his contract likely to be tighter than Maloneys


For me it will cost a fortune
Think SM was gonny accept a ***** pay off
Thats why they have agents

And then the next lot who come in, its a lot of cash, Not forgetting RJ and co's pay off
Its a worry for me

[LaMotta]

Surely fans weren’t happy with us dropping points, losing to Hearts twice and hardly scoring a goal.

The club needs a reboot and change was desperately needed.

I’m more optimistic now than I have been for months.

Me too.

There was 4 of us swithering about reknewing (for the first time in 20 years) as we were worried about a season starting with Maloney. Much more likely to renew now, unless the club really appoint someone bizarre.

[Steven79]

I reckon it was the late bringing on of the subs.

Melkersen and Jasper especially should have been given longer to affect the game.

That made no sense to me as he should have had them on at least 5 minutes before...

[GreenCastle]

That made no sense to me as he should have had them on at least 5 minutes before...

Subs were made

74 mins Melkersen
90 mins Mueller and Jasper

8 mins injury time

[PolmontHibby]

If we beat St Mirren, that's it put to bed. The play offs are a massive long shot anyway.

God I hope so....I lost count under Butcher of how often I said, just one win, just one win, just one win, just one win..........

[huggie1875]

:agree: I think and hope he will give Scott Allan (our most creative player left this season) a decent chance to influence a game positively as well. This should be enough to see us get a win.

Really we’re still flogging the dead horse please let it go

[WhileTheChief..]

I imagine ‘football people’ won’t be talking about Hibs in very complimentary terms today.

Tricky one this.

Part of me sees various chairman talking to RG and saying "about time man, told you you made a mistake!", but you could be right.

Even in the media though, I always felt that the pundits were as bemused as us by SM. There certainly wasn't any kind of support for him.

I don't imagine the club will take a hammering on the radio, most will say the change had to happen. If anything, we'll get stick for appointing him in the first place, which is fair enough.

We've done the right thing now though which is the important part. Hopefully RG and BK have learnt lessons too.

[Dashing Bob S]

Because when we’re on our knees, they go for the throat.

When they’re on their knees, it’s ‘just another game’.

I’ve never seen such a nervous Hearts team and support than I did at Hampden on Saturday. They didn’t go for the throat, they absolutely bottled it, even against a punchless outfit of 10 men. The reason was that they faced a genuinely fierce and committed performance.

We have to make this a cultural sea change rather than a one off. I hope this change was instigated by Ron rather than Shaun. If not, we might regret this sacking.

[LaMotta]

Really we’re still flogging the dead horse please let it go

Absolutely no chance will I let that go. I really don't think David Gray will let it go either. We will see.

[Brooster]

I’ve never seen such a nervous Hearts team and support than I did at Hampden on Saturday. They didn’t go for the throat, they absolutely bottled it, even against a punchless outfit of 10 men. The reason was that they faced a genuinely fierce and committed performance.

We have to make this a cultural sea change rather than a one off. I hope this change was instigated by Ron rather than Shaun. If not, we might regret this sacking.

This change was instigated by Paul Hanlon.

[Callum_62]

Didnt David Gray make Joe Newell captain?

That will confuse some folk [emoji23][emoji23]

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[GreenCastle]

I’ve never seen such a nervous Hearts team and support than I did at Hampden on Saturday. They didn’t go for the throat, they absolutely bottled it, even against a punchless outfit of 10 men. The reason was that they faced a genuinely fierce and committed performance.

We have to make this a cultural sea change rather than a one off. I hope this change was instigated by Ron rather than Shaun. If not, we might regret this sacking.

Someone said on another thread.

If hibs were under that much pressure 2nd half we would probably have conceded.

Unable to score 2nd half shows how badly we have fallen. We hardly created any clear chances except the header and the incredible save.

[J-C]

Looking back at the appointment, it's clear where it didn't work. Maloney was a bright up and coming coach but had zero experience coaching or managing a full time club, all he'd had was youth and then coaching some of the best players in the world every 2 months or so. He then brings in a divisive coach like Caldwell who hasn't a great reputation at all, zero experience which was being shown up by his stubbornness in tactics and in game management.

I think Shaun has to go back and possibly be a no.2 at a club to gain his experience.

[Steven79]

Looking back at the appointment, it's clear where it didn't work. Maloney was a bright up and coming coach but had zero experience coaching or managing a full time club, all he'd had was youth and then coaching some of the best players in the world every 2 months or so. He then brings in a divisive coach like Caldwell who hasn't a great reputation at all, zero experience which was being shown up by his stubbornness in tactics and in game management.

I think Shaun has to go back and possibly be a no.2 at a club to gain his experience.

He should really have had someone with more experience as his number 2 and Caldwell was never going to be the right choice both for his history with Hibs but also his track record hardly inspires confidence either.

[Unseen work]

I suppose the fact Hearts fans loved him speaks volumes.

Remember how much we loved Cathro etc being at them?

[Stuart93]

Subs were made

74 mins Melkersen
90 mins Mueller and Jasper

8 mins injury time

Craziness that mueller and jasper weren’t on until then

His subs were mental at times. Along with his team selection.

[Ronniekirk]

I seem to recall it was a poster called Brooster that said very recently it wouldn’t matter if Maloney won the Cup game he would be away anyway
Educated guess or inside info ?


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[Northernhibee]

Craziness that mueller and jasper weren’t on until then

His subs were mental at times. Along with his team selection.

Post match interviews. Hideous 0-0 draws and he’d be super proud.

[J-C]

He should really have had someone with more experience as his number 2 and Caldwell was never going to be the right choice both for his history with Hibs but also his track record hardly inspires confidence either.

The 1st thing Gerrard did at Rangers was to make Mcalister his no.2, lots of experience to guide him, that's what Maloney should've done.

[He's here!]

While I feel Maloney has been shabbily treated I also feel more confident that with Gray in charge we are less likely to slip anywhere close to the relegation play-off spot.

[HH81]

This change was instigated by Paul Hanlon.

So Hanlon kicked off to the board and it happened?

[GreenCastle]

Craziness that mueller and jasper weren’t on until then

His subs were mental at times. Along with his team selection.

Hibs haven’t come from 2-0 down all season.

Hearts management knew this and that 2nd goal was massive for them.

You can also look at the Hibs starting team - Hibs players starting had scored 10 goals in total this season.

Hearts starting team had scored 32 between them.

Boyce had scored 13 goals. That’s more than the full starting Hibs team.

[Brooster]

So Hanlon kicked off to the board and it happened?

No. I thought the poster was asking who instigated the change in attitude after the Tynecastle Derby.

[weecounty hibby]

Absolutely no chance will I let that go. I really don't think David Gray will let it go either. We will see.
He didn't play him when he was in charge between Ross and Maloney. Sadly Scotty isn't the answer to our issues in my opinion. He won't be a significant part of Hibs future no matter the manager

[Hibs90]

Which players, what did he say and how accurate is this?

Seems to be a lot of rumours going round about personnel at the club today which seem to be taken as fact.

I don't know, I can see someone else posted the same rumour on another thread so it's obviously doing the rounds. I heard of this the other week but just kept it to myself.

[Not So Young]

Outwith the old fitm, what foreign manager has had any success in Scotland? Im not saying dont consider them but it would be a gamble......again.


Hearts had two that won the Cup

[Fuzzywuzzy]

I don't think it will cost Hibs as much as folk think. There will be key targets he had to hit and one was probably top six. It may have also been like that German fella across the way that they could part ways if things weren't working out. We don't know and probably won't ever know.

[WhileTheChief..]

Post match interviews. Hideous 0-0 draws and he’d be super proud.


I think any future manager who uses that word excessively in interviews should have their contracts terminated immediately.

I never want to hear that again from a Hibs manager, especially after getting thumped.

[Onion]

Genuinely shocked. What a complete and utter mess senior management (and Owner) are making of our club - from player recruitment/contracts through to manager appointments. Anyone seriously have faith in this Hibs top team getting key decisions right going forward ?

[WhileTheChief..]

It really didn’t.

Most Hibs fans couldn’t have really cared less about Caldwell being here or not and Maloney has a working relationship with him. He’s also got experience of being a manager.

The appointment made sense and wasn’t in any way an indication that Maloney was clueless.

Caldwell wasn't a popular choice and his experience as a manger was of being a total failure at Thistle.

Everything Maloney did showed how clueless he was. You're one of only a few who couldn't / wouldn't see it :greengrin

[GreenCastle]

I don't think it will cost Hibs as much as folk think. There will be key targets he had to hit and one was probably top six. It may have also been like that German fella across the way that they could part ways if things weren't working out. We don't know and probably won't ever know.

Least Hibs told Maloney before a new guy was announced.

Neilson was re-appointed and Stendel was never told!

[BSEJVT]

Tbf, you told us Alex Gogic would do that 2 years ago, so I can't see the new manager taking your advice

TBF

Limited as he undoubtedly was Gogic was part of a team that got us to 3rd and stopped us being walked all over in midfield

I have never quite got the disdain with which Gogic was laterally treated by either the support or Maloney and Ross the manager who recruited him.

Impossible to either prove or disprove but IMO we would have a lot more points if we had played Gogic this season than some of the various permutations of Newell, JDH, Campbell Wright or in form to date Mueller or Henderson.

[blackpoolhibs]

No. I thought the poster was asking who instigated the change in attitude after the Tynecastle Derby.

Why didnt the players have the same attitude before, as to be fair to Maloney/Hanlon/Caldwell/Gordon, if all it took was the players to show a more determined attitude, why was this not done previously?

And i say this as someone who wanted rid of Maloney, but did see something more from the team on Saturday.

[Since452]

Caldwell wasn't a popular choice and his experience as a manger was of being a total failure at Thistle.

Everything Maloney did showed how clueless he was. You're one of only a few who couldn't / wouldn't see it :greengrin

I've probably missed it but can't recall any interview from Caldwell. Not exactly sure what he brought to the party. The likes of Potter, Parker, Stockdale etc all seemed to have a much bigger part to play.

[truehibernian]

No. I thought the poster was asking who instigated the change in attitude after the Tynecastle Derby.

If it’s Lennon and Scott then I have to say that this ticks the boxes of what we need by way of experience and passion, and more importantly leadership. Might also see certain players found out (good thing).

I just hope Lenny has learned from the later part of his first time with us when he let himself and the club down with some of his behaviour, maybe having Broony there will temper some of that and he’ll be an important bridge between players and Lennon.

Loved most of his tenure last time, he was certainly a different person when you met him off field, just hope he has reflected about his behaviour at the end, that’s my only concern.

[GreenCastle]

If it’s Lennon and Scott then I have to say that this ticks the boxes of what we need by way of experience and passion, and more importantly leadership. Might also see certain players found out (good thing).

I just hope Lenny has learned from the later part of his first time with us when he let himself and the club down with some of his behaviour, maybe having Broony there will temper some of that and he’ll be an important bridge between players and Lennon.

Loved most of his tenure last time, he was certainly a different person when you met him off field, just hope he has reflected about his behaviour at the end, that’s my only concern.

Remember Lennon watching lots of the youth games at Oriam too.

He had his moments Lennon definitely but think he would love to come back under different management and with a fresh start.

Did Maloney ever watch the u18 games ? Maybe one of the regular attendees could confirm.

[pacoluna]

S*n reporting that we are trying for Kennedy again.. surely not!

[LaMotta]

He didn't play him when he was in charge between Ross and Maloney. Sadly Scotty isn't the answer to our issues in my opinion. He won't be a significant part of Hibs future no matter the manager

He brought him on in the cup final and then started Maloney's first game - Gray had a big say in that team.

He will be gone next season but we need his creativity now.

[oneone73]

Caldwell wasn't a popular choice and his experience as a manger was of being a total failure at Thistle.

Let's not rewrite history. He won League One, and was manager of the year, with Wigan.

[Crab apple]

Remember Lennon watching lots of the youth games at Oriam too.

He had his moments Lennon definitely but think he would love to come back under different management and with a fresh start.

Did Maloney ever watch the u18 games ? Maybe one of the regular attendees could confirm.

I don’t know about Maloney or JR but you’re right about Lennon. I met him a few times at the Oriam and he was always really pleasant.

[WhileTheChief..]

Let's not rewrite history. He won League One, and was manager of the year, with Wigan.

Didn't even know he was manager there, shows how much I know!

Still a bit of a dud though :greengrin

[Spike Mandela]

I know many people can’t bring themselves to admit it but it was a massive mistake to sack Jack Ross and appoint a rookie manager. Jack had a track record, experience and the playes respected him. Shaun was inexperienced and had a lot of respect still to earn as a manager.

However, having said that he has been as shabbily treated by Hibs as Jack Ross was. He deserved to get a pre season, his own players and his own attempt to replace our star player that the club sold as soon as he came in.

I was at the opening game of the season at Motherwell when we came back twice to win 3-2. We looked sharp, had options up front, defence looked solid, MacGennis and Doyle Hayes were sharp and of course Boyle. I thought to my self we’re going to have a great season. Injuries, sackings and form soon put paid to that even though we had a decent stab at the zleague cup.

This ruthless sacking of managers has to end. We need to do our research, pick our man in decent time for pre season then give him time to mould his team. Gordon has got many things right at Hibs but the next manager choice might just be the most important decision of his tenure. He needs to get it right.

[Paul1642]

Let's not rewrite history. He won League One, and was manager of the year, with Wigan.

He was thereafter sacked by Wigan, seen Chesterfield relegated and then set Partick well on there way to league 1.

[Lester B]

That combination of results is akin to winning the lottery. We won't finish eleventh, which is why I find the timing odd. If we were in a relegation battle, I could understand it.

No it isn't. Chances of winning the lottery are 45 million to 1. Even the chances on getting three balls is 97 to 1. As someone has stated we're 25/1 to finish 11th. We lose our first two matches and St Johnstone win their two there are two points in it with 9 to play for. Those odds would plummet markedly. It's not likely but it is still a distinct possibility. I really don't see where all this bluster and bravado from some people comes from. I think we are less likely to get into a relegation battle now Maloney has gone but it's still not an outlandish suggestion and to pretend otherwise really doesn't help.

[WhileTheChief..]

Aiden McGeady talking a whole load of sh*** on Sportsound.

The fan on before was just as bad, practically greeting.

[Coach Jon]

S*n reporting that we are trying for Kennedy again.. surely not!

Celtic fans I know would be ecstatic if they punted Kennedy.
They think he must have something on one of the heirarchy at the club, thats the only reason they can think of as to why he seems to have a job for life there.

[MWHIBBIES]

Please god not Kennedy Hibs ffs.

[Tambo]

So Shaun's tatics vs Hearts on Saturday apparently the final straw for the Hibs board.

[Mr. Wonderful]

If it’s Lennon and Scott then I have to say that this ticks the boxes of what we need by way of experience and passion, and more importantly leadership. Might also see certain players found out (good thing).

I just hope Lenny has learned from the later part of his first time with us when he let himself and the club down with some of his behaviour, maybe having Broony there will temper some of that and he’ll be an important bridge between players and Lennon.

Loved most of his tenure last time, he was certainly a different person when you met him off field, just hope he has reflected about his behaviour at the end, that’s my only concern.

Lennon had a great side to work with in his early spell but as soon as he had to replace those with his own signings it fell to pieces. The same then happened at Celtic

And some want to give him a blank cheque? No thanks.

[greenlex]

No it isn't. Chances of winning the lottery are 45 million to 1. Even the chances on getting three balls is 97 to 1. As someone has stated we're 25/1 to finish 11th. We lose our first two matches and St Johnstone win their two there are two points in it with 9 to play for. Those odds would plummet markedly. It's not likely but it is still a distinct possibility. I really don't see where all this bluster and bravado from some people comes from. I think we are less likely to get into a relegation battle now Maloney has gone but it's still not an outlandish suggestion and to pretend otherwise really doesn't help.
I might be being picky here but if it’s not likely it can’t be a distinct possibility. It’s possible for sure but unlikely. St Johnstone won’t win all their games and we won’t lose them all. That’s the most likely scenario. Hopefully start with a clean sheet on Saturday minimum with the maximum 3 points tucked away maximum.

[Lester B]

I might be being picky here but if it’s not likely it can’t be a distinct possibility. It’s possible for sure but unlikely. St Johnstone won’t win all their games and we won’t lose them all. That’s the most likely scenario. Hopefully start with a clean sheet on Saturday minimum with the maximum 3 points tucked away maximum.

You might be being picky?? I meant distinct in the sense that there is a definite series of events/results that could lead to it it happening. St Johnstone don’t have to win all their games for it to happen and we don’t have to lose all our games. There’s a range of scenarios which could play out. My point is that it’s possible as you note too. Some people are behaving as if we are mathematically safe. We aren’t.

[hibsbollah]

I know many people can’t bring themselves to admit it but it was a massive mistake to sack Jack Ross and appoint a rookie manager. Jack had a track record, experience and the playes respected him. Shaun was inexperienced and had a lot of respect still to earn as a manager.

However, having said that he has been as shabbily treated by Hibs as Jack Ross was. He deserved to get a pre season, his own players and his own attempt to replace our star player that the club sold as soon as he came in.

I was at the opening game of the season at Motherwell when we came back twice to win 3-2. We looked sharp, had options up front, defence looked solid, MacGennis and Doyle Hayes were sharp and of course Boyle. I thought to my self we’re going to have a great season. Injuries, sackings and form soon put paid to that even though we had a decent stab at the zleague cup.

This ruthless sacking of managers has to end. We need to do our research, pick our man in decent time for pre season then give him time to mould his team. Gordon has got many things right at Hibs but the next manager choice might just be the most important decision of his tenure. He needs to get it right.

Great post, agree with every word.

Make a managerial choice. Trust your choice. Back him with cash. Give him two windows and a full season after that to show he can build a squad. Then if it doesn’t work, make the change.

This melodrama doesn’t help anyone.

[Billy Whizz]

So Shaun's tatics vs Hearts on Saturday apparently the final straw for the Hibs board.

And what do they know, any football people amongst them

[GreenCastle]

Great post, agree with every word.

Make a managerial choice. Trust your choice. Back him with cash. Give him two windows and a full season after that to show he can build a squad. Then if it doesn’t work, make the change.

This melodrama doesn’t help anyone.

I think Maloney being sacked now makes the Ross sacking look worse as we have got worse.

But at the same time there was a long list of bad performances and losses.

It’s like when a player leaves a club or gets injured - people suddenly forget how they were and imagination starts kicking in.

The issue here isn’t Jack Ross being sacked - it’s the poor choice to follow him up and not improve on what he started.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think Maloney being sacked now makes the Ross sacking look worse as we have got worse.

But at the same time there was a long list of bad performances and losses.

It’s like when a player leaves a club or gets injured - people suddenly forget how they were and imagination starts kicking in.

The issue here isn’t Jack Ross being sacked - it’s the poor choice to follow him up and not improve on what he started.

Yup. We were terrible under Ross for months.

You can already see history being rewritten as folk hark back to sacking the manager who had us in 3rd place, how much better did people think we could get etc without any mention of the fact that’s absolutely not how Jack Ross was performing when we sacked him.

Sacking Jack Ross doesn’t become the wrong decision because the new man doesn’t make us any better. We were rank under him as well.

[Hibernia&Alba]

No it isn't. Chances of winning the lottery are 45 million to 1. Even the chances on getting three balls is 97 to 1. As someone has stated we're 25/1 to finish 11th. We lose our first two matches and St Johnstone win their two there are two points in it with 9 to play for. Those odds would plummet markedly. It's not likely but it is still a distinct possibility. I really don't see where all this bluster and bravado from some people comes from. I think we are less likely to get into a relegation battle now Maloney has gone but it's still not an outlandish suggestion and to pretend otherwise really doesn't help.

To finish eleventh would require us to hardly pick up a point from the last five matches, with St Johnstone winning four or five. It won't happen. It could, but in reality it won't. We need to hold our nerve here. Beat St Mirren and we'll be fine, particularly if St Johnstone don't win. We'll be guaranteed survival very soon, then we look ahead :aok:

[hibsbollah]

Yup. We were terrible under Ross for months.

You can already see history being rewritten as folk hark back to sacking the manager who had us in 3rd place, how much better did people think we could get etc without any mention of the fact that’s absolutely not how Jack Ross was performing when we sacked him.

Sacking Jack Ross doesn’t become the wrong decision because the new man doesn’t make us any better. We were rank under him as well.

Opinions are like erseholes. Everyone has them. But my feeling is that both managers would have benefited from another season to see if their ideas, ( which were totally distinct and different, let’s be honest), would have come to fruition. No one knows who’s right or wrong here.

[jacomo]

His choice of people to support him was an initial worry for me. Ordinarily a young/inexperienced manager will tend to have an "auld heid" beside him, but Maloney had Caldwell (no words needed) and Gray. As much as I love him, DG doesn't have huge amounts of coaching experience and is still very much cutting his own teeth in his move from playing to management.


Yeah he’s just starting out, but from what little I’ve seen David seems to have really taken to coaching. He might have a very fine second career in football ahead of him.

[lucky]

None of us know what Maloney’s ideas were as he couldn’t get the players to play for him never mind us fans. He was the wrong appointment and I’m glad we acted before it was too late at least now I expect Hibs to scape enough points to stay up. We need an experienced manager. He was Hibs’s Cathro

[blackpoolhibs]

I know many people can’t bring themselves to admit it but it was a massive mistake to sack Jack Ross and appoint a rookie manager. Jack had a track record, experience and the playes respected him. Shaun was inexperienced and had a lot of respect still to earn as a manager.

However, having said that he has been as shabbily treated by Hibs as Jack Ross was. He deserved to get a pre season, his own players and his own attempt to replace our star player that the club sold as soon as he came in.

I was at the opening game of the season at Motherwell when we came back twice to win 3-2. We looked sharp, had options up front, defence looked solid, MacGennis and Doyle Hayes were sharp and of course Boyle. I thought to my self we’re going to have a great season. Injuries, sackings and form soon put paid to that even though we had a decent stab at the zleague cup.

This ruthless sacking of managers has to end. We need to do our research, pick our man in decent time for pre season then give him time to mould his team. Gordon has got many things right at Hibs but the next manager choice might just be the most important decision of his tenure. He needs to get it right.

The ruthless sacking of a perfectly good manager has to end, especially when you replace him with a complete novice who has proved beyond all doubt, he was not up to the standard of a Scottish SPL manager.

It makes no odds who we appoint now, as soon as the team have a poor run, he will be hounded out, no manager will be given enough time, we know that now, as we sacked one on his first real bad run, and he'd just got us to a cup final.

[Coco Bryce]

The ruthless sacking of a perfectly good manager has to end, especially when you replace him with a complete novice who has proved beyond all doubt, he was not up to the standard of a Scottish SPL manager.

It makes no odds who we appoint now, as soon as the team have a poor run, he will be hounded out, no manager will be given enough time, we know that now, as we sacked one on his first real bad run, and he'd just got us to a cup final.

I agree. Why on earth would anyone want to come to Hibs under the current regime. Told what players your getting and just get on with it.

[madhatter]

The ruthless sacking of a perfectly good manager has to end, especially when you replace him with a complete novice who has proved beyond all doubt, he was not up to the standard of a Scottish SPL manager.

It makes no odds who we appoint now, as soon as the team have a poor run, he will be hounded out, no manager will be given enough time, we know that now, as we sacked one on his first real bad run, and he'd just got us to a cup final.

Impossible task indeed. Everyone will be measured up against King Ross now.

[WhileTheChief..]

The ruthless sacking of a perfectly good manager has to end, especially when you replace him with a complete novice who has proved beyond all doubt, he was not up to the standard of a Scottish SPL manager.

It makes no odds who we appoint now, as soon as the team have a poor run, he will be hounded out, no manager will be given enough time, we know that now, as we sacked one on his first real bad run, and he'd just got us to a cup final.

If the bad run was only 3 or 4 defeats on the bounce, I could live with that.

Any manger who losses 9 on the trot in our piss poor league should be under huge pressure, no matter which club they're at.

[Coco Bryce]

If the bad run was only 3 or 4 defeats on the bounce, I could live with that.

Any manger who losses 9 on the trot in our piss poor league should be under huge pressure, no matter which club they're at.

Jim Goodwin was on his way to that many defeats then went on a wee run. Next minute he was at Aberdeen. Mental.

[SlickShoes]

The ruthless sacking of a perfectly good manager has to end, especially when you replace him with a complete novice who has proved beyond all doubt, he was not up to the standard of a Scottish SPL manager.

It makes no odds who we appoint now, as soon as the team have a poor run, he will be hounded out, no manager will be given enough time, we know that now, as we sacked one on his first real bad run, and he'd just got us to a cup final.

People wanted Ross out long before his run that ended his tenure, we had threads here multiple times throughout his time calling for his head.

Now it wasn't a majority but it was very vocal and it was always there, then we went on a horrible run where we could not buy a win unless Martin Boyle single handedly did it all himself.

I would not have personally sacked Ross, but the real mistake was his replacement, that is now plain to see. Nothing we can do about either of those now other than learn from them and try to get it right this time. Dredging up Ross is pointless.

Maloney didn't have to set the world alight, even one single win more probably would have seen him given more time.

[LaMotta]

Yup. We were terrible under Ross for months.

You can already see history being rewritten as folk hark back to sacking the manager who had us in 3rd place, how much better did people think we could get etc without any mention of the fact that’s absolutely not how Jack Ross was performing when we sacked him.

Sacking Jack Ross doesn’t become the wrong decision because the new man doesn’t make us any better. We were rank under him as well.


You've rewritten history by claiming we were terrible under Ross for months.

Fair to say he had a terrible 2 weeks in the second half of October ( losing 3), he then actually won 2 out of 3 games in November and then had a poor first 8 days in December ( losing to Huns, draw with Motherwell and loss to Livvy).

Prior to the bad run in October we were top of the league until Porto got sent off at Ibrox.

[Lago]

Impossible task indeed. Everyone will be measured up against King Ross now.
Not a high bar.

[ionahibby]

You've rewritten history by claiming we were terrible under Ross for months.

Fair to say he had a terrible 2 weeks in the second half of October ( losing 3), he then actually won 2 out of 3 games in November and then had a poor first 8 days in December ( losing to Huns, draw with Motherwell and loss to Livvy).

I think the semi and the final against st Johnstone were the game changers for Ross and was probably deemed unacceptable in Gordon’s mind and rightly so too. You could argue that they were worse defeats than the 2 against hearts.

[GreenCastle]

You've rewritten history by claiming we were terrible under Ross for months.

Fair to say he had a terrible 2 weeks in the second half of October ( losing 3), he then actually won 2 out of 3 games in November and then had a poor first 8 days in December ( losing to Huns, draw with Motherwell and loss to Livvy).

Prior to the bad run in October we were Top of the League until Porto got sent off at Ibrox.

Hibs needed a manager to take us next level - Ross wasn’t taking us there.

The issue was his replacement was a really bad choice.

So in hindsight the club maybe could have kept him but it wasn’t like he has the team playing well.

Ross failed to bring in a striker in summer - came back to be an issue as Doidge got injured.

Maloney ignored centre midfield - many on here predicted in January this would get him sacked and that’s happened as Newell was injured.

Both managers made basic errors even a basic poster on here could see.

[Percy Vere]

Another knee jerk reaction.
Of course we are not privvie to behind the scenes, but on the face of it this is totally ridiculous. Worked with half a squad for most of his tenure. Not given any time to bring about his tactics with a summer window. What manager is going to trust RG to give them time to revamp the squad.
It highlights the mistake of sacking JR and and just embarrassing.
Hibs are a laughing stock.

[Paulie Walnuts]

You've rewritten history by claiming we were terrible under Ross for months.

Fair to say he had a terrible 2 weeks in the second half of October ( losing 3), he then actually won 2 out of 3 games in November and then had a poor first 8 days in December ( losing to Huns, draw with Motherwell and loss to Livvy).

Prior to the bad run in October we were top of the league until Porto got sent off at Ibrox.

We picked up 4 points in 9 league games over 2 months. 1 win, 1 draw, 7 defeats with a cup win thrown in there.

If 10 games, 2 wins, 1 draw and 7 defeats isn’t terrible then we’ll have to agree to disagree.

[blackpoolhibs]

People wanted Ross out long before his run that ended his tenure, we had threads here multiple times throughout his time calling for his head.

Now it wasn't a majority but it was very vocal and it was always there, then we went on a horrible run where we could not buy a win unless Martin Boyle single handedly did it all himself.

I would not have personally sacked Ross, but the real mistake was his replacement, that is now plain to see. Nothing we can do about either of those now other than learn from them and try to get it right this time. Dredging up Ross is pointless.

Maloney didn't have to set the world alight, even one single win more probably would have seen him given more time.

Mentioning Ross in this conversation is fine, we sacked him when he shouldnt have been sacked, Christ he'd just won one of those big games people were always on at him to win at Hampden. Now i know he'd been on a bad run, but every manager we ever get will have one of those seasons where not a lot goes right.

Yet even through that bad run, we had a good result sprinkled in it, and the window was coming up where he could strengthen us, and i'd have bet my house he'd have strengthened us better than the novice did.

He's proven he could do it at Hibs, and with time i'm sure he would do it again, in fact we were in another final, we were knocking on the door again.

Under Maloney we cant even find the door.

[GreenCastle]

I think the semi and the final against st Johnstone were the game changers for Ross and was probably deemed unacceptable in Gordon’s mind and rightly so too. You could argue that they were worse defeats than the 2 against hearts.

The Jack Ross Hampden derby was worse for me than Saturdays game when I didn’t expect anything.

Hibs stronger team and squad.

Hearts weaker and in pre-season. Same Hearts that lost to Brora only a few months later !!

With no fans being at the game it was a bit of a non event as such but Hearts nearly won the cup against a terrible Celtic.

At the same time the Ross win against Huns in semi final was one of my favourite games supporting Hibs.

[madhatter]

Mentioning Ross in this conversation is fine, we sacked him when he shouldnt have been sacked, Christ he'd just won one of those big games people were always on at him to win at Hampden. Now i know he'd been on a bad run, but every manager we ever get will have one of those seasons where not a lot goes right.

Yet even through that bad run, we had a good result sprinkled in it, and the window was coming up where he could strengthen us, and i'd have bet my house he'd have strengthened us better than the novice did.

He's proven he could do it at Hibs, and with time i'm sure he would do it again, in fact we were in another final, we were knocking on the door again.

Under Maloney we cant even find the door.

Owner showed Ross the door. He's gone.

For all we know there could be very valid reasons for it that we are not aware of. Either way, he's gone. As is Maloney now.

If I'm measuring Hibs managers against anybody it'd be Stubbs, not Ross. Stubbs won us the Scottish Cup, in reality. We can discuss what might have beens with Ross and that's it. Finished 3rd and followed it up with a poor half season but won nothing.

[Jones28]

We lose to St Mirren, Aberdeen beat Livi and St Johnstone beat Dundee we are 9th and 5 points ahead of 11th

We lose to Livingston and St Johnstone win against St Mirren the following week we are 10th and ahead by 2 points

Lose to Aberdeen and St Johnstone win against Livingston we are 11th

Head to Head with St Johnstone the week after, if we lose we are 4 points behind them and in the playoffs.

I had no confidence that this team under Maloney was safe from relegation.

I feel a bit better after he was sacked but with our luck this season **** knows what could happen.

[blackpoolhibs]

Owner showed Ross the door. He's gone.

For all we know there could be very valid reasons for it that we are not aware of. Either way, he's gone. As is Maloney now.

If I'm measuring Hibs managers against anybody it'd be Stubbs, not Ross. Stubbs won us the Scottish Cup, in reality. We can discuss what might have beens with Ross and that's it. Finished 3rd and followed it up with a poor half season but won nothing.

Stubbs left us, Ross was sacked when he was half way through a building job with terrific success, we dont finish 3rd too often.

Now we have a shambles of a squad, full of kids who might be good next season or the season after, but certainly not this one.

And 7 or 8 of them come in January.

[SlickShoes]

Mentioning Ross in this conversation is fine, we sacked him when he shouldnt have been sacked, Christ he'd just won one of those big games people were always on at him to win at Hampden. Now i know he'd been on a bad run, but every manager we ever get will have one of those seasons where not a lot goes right.

Yet even through that bad run, we had a good result sprinkled in it, and the window was coming up where he could strengthen us, and i'd have bet my house he'd have strengthened us better than the novice did.

He's proven he could do it at Hibs, and with time i'm sure he would do it again, in fact we were in another final, we were knocking on the door again.

Under Maloney we cant even find the door.

I don't disagree but the game against Livi for me was the straw that broke the camels back, we were absolutely AWFUL when we desperately needed a win to get back on track, instead we got well beaten, never looked like scoring and got 2 red cards.

The only game we had played well in was that semi final, and it was a huge anomaly sadly.

But you are correct, as much as I hoped Maloney could do something we have actually got worse, which during that Livi game above did not seem possible.

[madhatter]

Stubbs left us, Ross was sacked when he was half way through a building job with terrific success, we dont finish 3rd too often.

Now we have a shambles of a squad, full of kids who might be good next season or the season after, but certainly not this one.

And 7 or 8 of them come in January.

Ross is partially to blame for the shambles of a squad we've built.

Shows how desperate we've become, Hallberg has went from waste of a shirt to why did Maloney let him go. Similar for Gogic. Both average players that werent regular starters this season but we want them back because we are useless. Murphy almost an identical story even though he could barely play 2 weeks in a row.

Terrific success? He finished 3rd once. Terrific is hyperbole. He had success then he had failure. I have no idea what happened last summer up until Ross' departure. It is clear something wasn't right and Ross will have some blame in whatever went on.

[04Sauzee]

Someone on twitter saying they believe Kensell will be away tomorrow, they say it's from the same source that told them Maloney would be away after the Hearts game.

Just a rumour obviously.

[Smartie]

Ross had credit in the bank and deserved January to try to sort things out. I'm pretty sure he would have.

That's not exactly a ringing endorsement of Jack Ross or an acceptance that all was well. We were in trouble as soon as the summer transfer window closed and we'd been a transitional side punching above it's weight for most of his time with us. Even with a few Hampden disappointments, big game failures and the odd abject performance thrown in though there was enough in the positive column throughout his time with is to deserve a chance to right the wrongs of the summer. If we'd ended up where we are now under Ross, then it was right that he should go too.

Maloney had no such credit on the bank and was under pressure to show something early on. He simply failed to do so. The only argument in favour of keeping him was that he hadn't been here long, he'd shown nothing.

It was the wrong decision to sack Ross, it was the right decision to sack Maloney.

We actually have a few players with potential, and the next appointment is key.

I would say though that I'm now looking forward to next season, and that wasn't the case 24 hours ago.

[B.H.F.C]

Ross is partially to blame for the shambles of a squad we've built.

Shows how desperate we've become, Hallberg has went from waste of a shirt to why did Maloney let him go. Similar for Gogic. Both average players that werent regular starters this season but we want them back because we are useless. Murphy almost an identical story even though he could barely play 2 weeks in a row.

Terrific success? He finished 3rd once. Terrific is hyperbole. He had success then he had failure. I have no idea what happened last summer up until Ross' departure. It is clear something wasn't right and Ross will have some blame in whatever went on.

Yep, Ross oversaw the signing of some kids on long term contracts last summer who have subsequently been loaned and unable to get in to the Kilmarnock team. Signed and then gave an extended contract to Doyle-Hayes. Introduced Campbell to the team and gave him a long term contract.

At least we’re not obligated to keep all the January signings (as crap a window as it was).

Two managers and a few others all have a share of the blame for our current state.

[GreenCastle]

Someone on twitter saying they believe Kensell will be away tomorrow, they say it's from the same source that told them Maloney would be away after the Hearts game.

Just a rumour obviously.

This could get very interesting if true.

[Unseen work]

Someone on twitter saying they believe Kensell will be away tomorrow, they say it's from the same source that told them Maloney would be away after the Hearts game.

Just a rumour obviously.

Surely not?

Would just add to the madness and put us back months before we find a replacement and then they decide on a manager.

My fear would be Kensell goes and Ian Gordon takes his role.

[blackpoolhibs]

Ross is partially to blame for the shambles of a squad we've built.

Shows how desperate we've become, Hallberg has went from waste of a shirt to why did Maloney let him go. Similar for Gogic. Both average players that werent regular starters this season but we want them back because we are useless. Murphy almost an identical story even though he could barely play 2 weeks in a row.

Terrific success? He finished 3rd once. Terrific is hyperbole. He had success then he had failure. I have no idea what happened last summer up until Ross' departure. It is clear something wasn't right and Ross will have some blame in whatever went on.

I agree Ross is partly responsible, but he's not responsible for getting rid of Gogic and Hallberg, this is the main reason we have Campbell playing in the team now. I do think Ross would have brought in a central midfielder if allowed, although he did want 2 central defenders and ended up with Woods, He wanted a centre forward and ended up with Scott, who's fault was that?

I am 100% certain in my mind we would have been top 6 under Ross, in with a fight for Europe, but the owner panicked/fell out, who knows, but we are now a shambles, with a load of players not ready for the first team, and a couple nowhere near good enough just from the January window.

I think its a terrific season if we finish 3rd, said it at the time these were the good times, what we have now certainly aint.

[GreenCastle]

Surely not?

Would just add to the madness and put us back months before we find a replacement and then they decide on a manager.

My fear would be Kensell goes and Ian Gordon takes his role.

Like Hearts looking world wide for a manager and appointing Levein to manager and director of football..

[04Sauzee]

Surely not?

Would just add to the madness and put us back months before we find a replacement and then they decide on a manager.

My fear would be Kensell goes and Ian Gordon takes his role.
Just what's on Twitter have absolutely no idea if true or not. Could be absolute guff

[Unseen work]

Just what's on Twitter have absolutely no idea if true or not. Could be absolute guff

Who was it that posted it on Twitter mate?

[J-C]

I agree Ross is partly responsible, but he's not responsible for getting rid of Gogic and Hallberg, this is the main reason we have Campbell playing in the team now. I do think Ross would have brought in a central midfielder if allowed, although he did want 2 central defenders and ended up with Woods, He wanted a centre forward and ended up with Scott, who's fault was that?

I am 100% certain in my mind we would have been top 6 under Ross, in with a fight for Europe, but the owner panicked/fell out, who knows, but we are now a shambles, with a load of players not ready for the first team, and a couple nowhere near good enough just from the January window.

I think its a terrific season if we finish 3rd, said it at the time these were the good times, what we have now certainly aint.


I appreciate we were happy to get 3rd as we don't do it all that often but with no fans and some turgid football on display most weeks, it was easy to see why when Ross went on a bad run some fans would get vocal, after saying that I do feel Ross was entitled to try and turn it round after January but we don't really know if there were other factors involved, rumours of a Gordon/Ross disagreement and fall out is one.

At this moment in time I have no clue who we may go after and TBH I can't even be arsed thinking of who I'd want, I'm very disheartened with Hibs right now and don't really care too much.

[Zambernardi1875]

I agree Ross is partly responsible, but he's not responsible for getting rid of Gogic and Hallberg, this is the main reason we have Campbell playing in the team now. I do think Ross would have brought in a central midfielder if allowed, although he did want 2 central defenders and ended up with Woods, He wanted a centre forward and ended up with Scott, who's fault was that?

I am 100% certain in my mind we would have been top 6 under Ross, in with a fight for Europe, but the owner panicked/fell out, who knows, but we are now a shambles, with a load of players not ready for the first team, and a couple nowhere near good enough just from the January window.

I think its a terrific season if we finish 3rd, said it at the time these were the good times, what we have now certainly aint.

whoever decided not to let Ross bring in 2 defenders and thought Woods and Scott were suitable signings needs punted. and until they are hibs will be in a recruitment mess

[Stonewall]

Ross is partially to blame for the shambles of a squad we've built.

Shows how desperate we've become, Hallberg has went from waste of a shirt to why did Maloney let him go. Similar for Gogic. Both average players that werent regular starters this season but we want them back because we are useless. Murphy almost an identical story even though he could barely play 2 weeks in a row.

Terrific success? He finished 3rd once. Terrific is hyperbole. He had success then he had failure. I have no idea what happened last summer up until Ross' departure. It is clear something wasn't right and Ross will have some blame in whatever went on.

i don’t recall Hallberg ever being described as a waste of a shirt. Decent squad player was the usual view.

None of us really know what went on in the summer but it’s clear recruitment was poor and Mathie carried the can (or was he the scapegoat). I though it was a mistake to get rid of Ross but it was getting hard to defend him. If it wasn’t his fault then why should he take the blame.

I just worry we’re going to appoint someone to appease the fans and it’ll be another disaster.

[madhatter]

I agree Ross is partly responsible, but he's not responsible for getting rid of Gogic and Hallberg, this is the main reason we have Campbell playing in the team now. I do think Ross would have brought in a central midfielder if allowed, although he did want 2 central defenders and ended up with Woods, He wanted a centre forward and ended up with Scott, who's fault was that?

I am 100% certain in my mind we would have been top 6 under Ross, in with a fight for Europe, but the owner panicked/fell out, who knows, but we are now a shambles, with a load of players not ready for the first team, and a couple nowhere near good enough just from the January window.

I think its a terrific season if we finish 3rd, said it at the time these were the good times, what we have now certainly aint.

We're discussing a lot of unknowns here though.

Finishing 3rd is definitely a good season.

If Ross hadn't got decent signings in January I think we'd be exactly where we are. No Doidge, Nisbet and Boyle...we'd be struggling badly under Ross as well. Can't just say he'd have brought in quality as he signed Wright and Gogic. So it's far from a certainty.

Are managers paying the price of poor recruitment and club management? Probably. We're honestly becoming the Man Utd of Scotland. No identity and completely lost our way. It began while Ross was here though, Mathie leaving and everything else going on behind the scenes. It's not a sudden thing that's happened since Ross left.

[04Sauzee]

Who was it that posted it on Twitter mate?

https://i.ibb.co/pnzf1cb/Screenshot-2022-04-19-21-56-10-76-0b2fce7a16bf2b728d6ffa28c8d60efb.jpg (https://ibb.co/WsykHZG)

[jacomo]

Surely not?

Would just add to the madness and put us back months before we find a replacement and then they decide on a manager.

My fear would be Kensell goes and Ian Gordon takes his role.


I think that fear is unfounded.

[04Sauzee]

Ron Gordon media conference tomorrow. Ben Kensall away 👀

#ITK

https://i.ibb.co/pnzf1cb/Screenshot-2022-04-19-21-56-10-76-0b2fce7a16bf2b728d6ffa28c8d60efb.jpg (https://ibb.co/WsykHZG)

[madhatter]

Ron Gordon media conference tomorrow. Ben Kensall away 👀

#ITK

Jesus. Is everyone getting emptied again?

[bigwheel]

Jesus. Is everyone getting emptied again?

If any member of staff sees “Ron Gordon” calling on their phone , they must be terrified …the grim reaper

[04Sauzee]

Jesus. Is everyone getting emptied again?

I'm just relaying what someone has said on twitter. I have absolutely no idea if true or not, as I said previously it's probably guff.

[blackpoolhibs]

I appreciate we were happy to get 3rd as we don't do it all that often but with no fans and some turgid football on display most weeks, it was easy to see why when Ross went on a bad run some fans would get vocal, after saying that I do feel Ross was entitled to try and turn it round after January but we don't really know if there were other factors involved, rumours of a Gordon/Ross disagreement and fall out is one.

At this moment in time I have no clue who we may go after and TBH I can't even be arsed thinking of who I'd want, I'm very disheartened with Hibs right now and don't really care too much.

My thoughts too.:agree:

[Unseen work]

Is there a reason the official website has said he and his staff have left instead of being sacked?

Was it more of a mutual thing?

Or just Hibs wording it in an odd way?

“Hibernian FC can confirm that Shaun Maloney has departed the club as First Team Manager.

Gary Caldwell, Valerio Zuddas and Brian Doogan have also left with immediate effect.”

[Stevie Reid]

Ross had credit in the bank and deserved January to try to sort things out. I'm pretty sure he would have.

That's not exactly a ringing endorsement of Jack Ross or an acceptance that all was well. We were in trouble as soon as the summer transfer window closed and we'd been a transitional side punching above it's weight for most of his time with us. Even with a few Hampden disappointments, big game failures and the odd abject performance thrown in though there was enough in the positive column throughout his time with is to deserve a chance to right the wrongs of the summer. If we'd ended up where we are now under Ross, then it was right that he should go too.

Maloney had no such credit on the bank and was under pressure to show something early on. He simply failed to do so. The only argument in favour of keeping him was that he hadn't been here long, he'd shown nothing.

It was the wrong decision to sack Ross, it was the right decision to sack Maloney.

We actually have a few players with potential, and the next appointment is key.

I would say though that I'm now looking forward to next season, and that wasn't the case 24 hours ago.

There absolutely were Hampden disappointments - the two St. Johnstone games were massive letdowns, one capitulation after a good start, one completely listless performance in a cup final (the Hearts result was hugely disappointing, but we undoubtedly deserved to win that game - and were a missed pen away from it) - but there was progress with each tournament.

Ross lost his first Scottish Cup semi final and won the second - he also lost his first LC semi and won the second. He lost his first cup final and then immediately got us to another - and we’ll never know how he would have done. He definitely deserved a shot at it, and the January window.

Anyway, definitely agree that next season is a much more attractive proposition now that Maloney is away. Wish him the best, but it’s been a dire four months.

[GreenCastle]

We're discussing a lot of unknowns here though.

Finishing 3rd is definitely a good season.

If Ross hadn't got decent signings in January I think we'd be exactly where we are. No Doidge, Nisbet and Boyle...we'd be struggling badly under Ross as well. Can't just say he'd have brought in quality as he signed Wright and Gogic. So it's far from a certainty.

Are managers paying the price of poor recruitment and club management? Probably. We're honestly becoming the Man Utd of Scotland. No identity and completely lost our way. It began while Ross was here though, Mathie leaving and everything else going on behind the scenes. It's not a sudden thing that's happened since Ross left.

There has been discussion on here about identity and guess that happens when many staff changes.

My worry is we lose Stevenson / Hanlon etc then we become a real shell of a club.

We really need to be careful the club doesn’t loose it’s connection.

The social media posts have been brought up before and fully agree it’s simple things like this that need to improve.

[J-C]

Is there a reason the official website has said he and his staff have left instead of being sacked?

Was it more of a mutual thing?

Or just Hibs wording it in an odd way?

“Hibernian FC can confirm that Shaun Maloney has departed the club as First Team Manager.

Gary Caldwell, Valerio Zuddas and Brian Doogan have also left with immediate effect.”



Probably just out of curtesy, nicer way of putting it rather than saying sacked.

[Greencore]

Would Ron sack his own son 👀

[GreenCastle]

Probably just out of curtesy, nicer way of putting it rather than saying sacked.

Were they in 6 month probation and didn’t hit targets ?

Also American GK coach still here it seems - Jon Busch.

[JamesHFC]

It is a bit strange that Kensell didn’t comment in the official statement today, he did after the Ross sacking.

[beensaidbefore]

Really poor from Hibs. Haphazard decision making behind the scenes to blame. For a start, wtf are we doing giving out lengthy contracts to players, then sacking the mangers? Disgrace taking a punt on Maloney and not even giving him a proper window and pre-season to get rid of the dross and bring in some players he can work with. I feel sorry for Ross and Maloney, something not quite right at the moment.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Really poor from Hibs. Haphazard decision making behind the scenes to blame. For a start, wtf are we doing giving out lengthy contracts to players, then sacking the mangers? Disgrace taking a punt on Maloney and not even giving him a proper window and pre-season to get rid of the dross and bring in some players he can work with. I feel sorry for Ross and Maloney, something not quite right at the moment.

Yes, it's a fair enough point. It's a harsh sacking, but I think the board are worried that bottom six could get messy and have pushed the eject button. It's brutal to sack a guy after 18 games, but results have been woeful. It's difficult for the board to get the timing right - when is enough enough? Only time will tell if they are vindicated. It's a bad situation all round.

[Jim44]

If any member of staff sees “Ron Gordon” calling on their phone , they must be terrified …the grim reaper

RG appears to have gone from, fairly high profile, decent guy, breath of fresh air to impulsive, incommunicative, trigger happy sort of boss. Personal opinion, but I’ve gone right off him. I don’t trust him to make good footballing decisions and I’m nervous about our immediate future.

[Sir David Gray]

RG appears to have gone from, fairly high profile, decent guy, breath of fresh air to impulsive, incommunicative, trigger happy sort of boss. Personal opinion, but I’ve gone right off him. I don’t trust him to make good footballing decisions and I’m nervous about our immediate future.

I think getting rid of Maloney was the correct decision but I agree that I am nervous, worried even, about the future under this current regime. We are in a complete mess and it's hard to see that changing any time soon.

[Unseen work]

The suns story about Maloney is a very interesting one and part of the reason I think Gordon is doing a conference tomorrow

“And the former Celtic (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/8731620/celtic-oluwayemi-squares-up-rangers-miller-glasgow/) player’s manner with staff around the training ground was cited as yet another cause for concern.”

In addition to Maloney not getting the backing he wanted and the board not sanctioning contracts/offers.

[beensaidbefore]

Yes, it's a fair enough point. It's a harsh sacking, but I think the board are worried that bottom six could get messy and have pushed the eject button. It's brutal to sack a guy after 18 games, but results have been woeful. It's difficult for the board to get the timing right - when is enough enough? Only time will tell if they are vindicated. It's a bad situation all round.


I agree. I understand the fear of what if, but I thought they would have had a bit more faith given the Newel contract, plus they gave us the chat about long term plan. They've now sacked 2 managers with essentially the same squad, Maloney with an even more depleted squad in some ways, eg. Boyle, Nisbet, Doidge where the majority of our goals came from over the last 2 seasons. We have a few players on long term contracts and that limits what any new manager can do with the team.

That said, some of Maloneys tactics seemed bizarre to me. I had hope he would have turned us into some kinda wonder side, but I guess we will never know.

Does make me wonder if they have a real plan upstairs, or are they treating it a bit like a fantasy football thing.

[MyJo]

Probably just out of curtesy, nicer way of putting it rather than saying sacked.

I seem to remember the JR statement specifically saying he had been relieved of his duties so I don’t think they’re afraid of saying when a manager has been sacked.

Maybe SM has agreed that it just isn’t working and we’ve agreed to call it quits.

[LaMotta]

There absolutely were Hampden disappointments - the two St. Johnstone games were massive letdowns, one capitulation after a good start, one completely listless performance in a cup final (the Hearts result was hugely disappointing, but we undoubtedly deserved to win that game - and were a missed pen away from it) - but there was progress with each tournament.

Ross lost his first Scottish Cup semi final and won the second - he also lost his first LC semi and won the second. He lost his first cup final and then immediately got us to another - and we’ll never know how he would have done. He definitely deserved a shot at it, and the January window.

Anyway, definitely agree that next season is a much more attractive proposition now that Maloney is away. Wish him the best, but it’s been a dire four months.

Ross got us to Hampden 6 times in 2 years. 2 wins, 3 defeats and then one defeat with Gray in charge. The losses were gutting and the second St Johnstone loss I blame him for completely.

But 6 Hampden trips in 2 years is more Hampden trips than we had in 2 DECADES between 1980 and 2000.

I struggle with this idea that his sacking had to happen and wonder if he would have eventually got us over the line at Hampden at some point.

[LaMotta]

The suns story about Maloney is a very interesting one and part of the reason I think Gordon is doing a conference tomorrow

“And the former Celtic (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/8731620/celtic-oluwayemi-squares-up-rangers-miller-glasgow/) player’s manner with staff around the training ground was cited as yet another cause for concern.”

In addition to Maloney not getting the backing he wanted and the board not sanctioning contracts/offers.

Yeah that is interesting re Maloney's manner. I'd mentioned on another thread a Hibs employee had told me on Saturday that morale around the place was awful, so fits with that.

I spoke to Jamie McDonald fairly recently about his time as Killie keeper and he said everyone loved Steve Clarke because of the way he spoke to players aligned with how simple his messaging was generally.

[Unseen work]

Yeah that is interesting re Maloney's manner. I'd mentioned on another thread a Hibs employee had told me on Saturday that morale around the place was awful, so fits with that.

I spoke to Jamie McDonald fairly recently about his time as Killie keeper and he said everyone loved Steve Clarke because of the way he spoke to players aligned with how simple his messaging was generally.

It was the main thing I was concerned about with Maloney/Caldwell is their interaction with the players.

Now I don’t know either of them personally, but from how Maloney comes across and stories I’ve heard he’s a very quiet guy and isn’t really a joker or one of the lads. Caldwell is someone I just always think is rather snobby and again not much of a laugh.

Now I’m not saying the manager and assistant should be best friends with the players but I think it’s really important to make the club a good place to be where you go in, work hard and always have a laugh and enjoy your time.

Sometimes the manager does that with a serious number 2 and sometimes the manager js serious and number 2 is a joker.

To me I can see the management and players being very different and not being the type to get the best out of them.

[Smartie]

It was the main thing I was concerned about with Maloney/Caldwell is their interaction with the players.

Now I don’t know either of them personally, but from how Maloney comes across and stories I’ve heard he’s a very quiet guy and isn’t really a joker or one of the lads. Caldwell is someone I just always think is rather snobby and again not much of a laugh.

Now I’m not saying the manager and assistant should be best friends with the players but I think it’s really important to make the club a good place to be where you go in, work hard and always have a laugh and enjoy your time.

Sometimes the manager does that with a serious number 2 and sometimes the manager js serious and number 2 is a joker.

To me I can see the management and players being very different and not being the type to get the best out of them.

I wondered that too.

Hate to go back down the Jack Ross route again - but I thought Potter was an excellent foil for him. You got the feeling that the players had a lot of time for Potter too, with Jack Ross that one step removed.

It’s an important job, the one of assistant manager.

[LaMotta]

It was the main thing I was concerned about with Maloney/Caldwell is their interaction with the players.

Now I don’t know either of them personally, but from how Maloney comes across and stories I’ve heard he’s a very quiet guy and isn’t really a joker or one of the lads. Caldwell is someone I just always think is rather snobby and again not much of a laugh.

Now I’m not saying the manager and assistant should be best friends with the players but I think it’s really important to make the club a good place to be where you go in, work hard and always have a laugh and enjoy your time.

Sometimes the manager does that with a serious number 2 and sometimes the manager js serious and number 2 is a joker.

To me I can see the management and players being very different and not being the type to get the best out of them.

Agree with all that mate.

[jacomo]

Yes, it's a fair enough point. It's a harsh sacking, but I think the board are worried that bottom six could get messy and have pushed the eject button. It's brutal to sack a guy after 18 games, but results have been woeful. It's difficult for the board to get the timing right - when is enough enough? Only time will tell if they are vindicated. It's a bad situation all round.


I’ve said this before, but I think that if any business makes a radical change in strategy then it must commit and accept there may be bumpy times ahead.

I didn’t really like Maloney’s approach, but he’s entitled to feel the rug has been pulled out from underneath him. I assume he stubbornly stuck to his chosen tactics because he had been told he’d be given time to make it work.

If Hibs instead wanted short term improvement, our approach has been way off.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I’ve said this before, but I think that if any business makes a radical change in strategy then it must commit and accept there may be bumpy times ahead.

I didn’t really like Maloney’s approach, but he’s entitled to feel the rug has been pulled out from underneath him. I assume he stubbornly stuck to his chosen tactics because he had been told he’d be given time to make it work.

If Hibs instead wanted short term improvement, our approach has been way off.

Yes, if any manager is sacked after 18 games, he's entitled to say he wasn't given time to implement his methods. I hope Ron Gordon's Hibs won't become synonymous with managers being emptied as soon as a bad run of form happens. At some point we need to put our faith in a manager, giving him time to build a team. Results have been very poor under Maloney, but that can't be a shock when a manager is in his first job; there is a very steep learning curve. It's essential we get the next appointment right.

[Forza Fred]

Whomever we get, we better get him soon.

Don’t agree with the ‘take our time’ mantra.

Quite simply because we haven’t got time.

Recruitment is critical and most transfers are arranged through back door discussions prior to the opening of the window.

After that it all becomes a bit of a lottery.

We can’t afford NOT to be guided by the new man in transfer dealings prior to day 1 or we run the risk of repeating what we just went through.

The new manager has to have HIS squad available when pre season training starts…….and not give players six or so weeks to convince him they have a future at the club.

[Heisenberg]

https://t.co/CHPcWhrE0p

Doesn’t make for good reading. Someone posted about him having a PA that the players had to go through if they wanted a meeting, seems there was some truth to it.

[NC1875]

https://t.co/CHPcWhrE0p

Doesn’t make for good reading. Someone posted about him having a PA that the players had to go through if they wanted a meeting, seems there was some truth to it.

Doesn’t surprise me really. Heard whispers about players not being happy and Maloney/Caldwell not being the most approachable.

[Unseen work]

https://t.co/CHPcWhrE0p

Doesn’t make for good reading. Someone posted about him having a PA that the players had to go through if they wanted a meeting, seems there was some truth to it.

Just me that thinks this is an odd article?

Dont know if it’s the way it’s written or that I’m reading it at 7am but all just seems a bit off, just typing loads of random rumours?

Maloney out his depth, disrespectful and has PA
Players not buying into his ideas
A ‘hunch’ about Steve Kean
Scott Brown returning