Maloney must go

[Ozyhibby]

Gave Celtic a real fright but lost due to 2 defensive errors.

Let’s replace the rookie manager who’s never been involved in staving off a potential relegation battle, for the rookie who’s never been involved in staving off a potential relegation battle.

Let’s not forget Gray has been a part of the coaching staff under both managers we’ve had this season.

We can’t keep sacking managers over and over again, it’s not feasible.

So we should just keep crap managers? What we have to do is stop appointing poor managers.
We should have backed Jack Ross because he had shown he could bring success. Maloney has zero track record and has made the team worse since he arrived. And that’s after a window where he signed lots of players. He should be gone by Monday.


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[Callum_62]

Porteous is a miss but he’d probably have been sent off today. Maggenis is a miss. Other than that, who do we miss? The starting 11 whatever way you look at it is atrocious.I'm guessing our 2 senior centre forwards wouod be classed as a miss

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[MGmick]

I'm guessing our 2 senior centre forwards wouod be classed as a miss

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No. Not from what I've seen of them.

[loanheadhibby]

I'm guessing our 2 senior centre forwards wouod be classed as a miss

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Perhaps but both have had very poor seasons even taking into account bad injuries.

[Jones28]

Maybe you are a sucker for Punishment?

Ask me in the morning 😂

[Callum_62]

Perhaps but both have had very poor seasons even taking into account bad injuries.Still, Doidge and Nisbet are better options than James Scott

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[Callum_62]

No. Not from what I've seen of them.You don't think Nisbet and Doidge offer more than James Scott?

Dont be ridiculous

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[Paulie Walnuts]

You don't think Nisbet and Doidge offer more than James Scott?

Dont be ridiculous

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:agree:

Injuries and suspensions are still pumping us.

We’ve got Nisbet who was getting game time for Scotland, Doidge who has been knocking on the door of the Wales squad and Porteous who has been in and around the Scotland squad out inured. That’s fairly significant.

[Heisenberg]

:agree:

Injuries and suspensions are still pumping us.

We’ve got Nisbet who was getting game time for Scotland, Doidge who has been knocking on the door of the Wales squad and Porteous who has been in and around the Scotland squad out inured. That’s fairly significant.

Shaun Maloney is still pumping us. Any semi competent manager has us top six after the January transfer window. Injuries/selling Boyle or not.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Shaun Maloney is still pumping us. Any semi competent manager has us top six after the January transfer window. Injuries/selling Boyle or not.

Jack Ross had us 7th. Was he incompetent?

I personally think our squad is horrific. The standard of player is abysmal.

Whether Maloney has anything to do with that or not is another story but I’m not convinced anyone would be winning many games with this team.

[Heisenberg]

Jack Ross had us 7th. Was he incompetent?

I personally think our squad is horrific. The standard of player is abysmal.

Yes and as such he was sacked. Since appointing Maloney we haven’t improved at all. Football is horrific and he’s getting the results to match.

[bigwheel]

Not enough is being made of the January transfer window we had….. Arguably one of the most bizarre windows in our history . Lost our best player …and after going into it for months talking about how poor the summer window was ..we buy a set of players who have barely made any impact on our team. Add to that we spent most of our money on development players - absolute bananas. Makes Mathie looks like a transfer god……totally ridiculous….

[Paulie Walnuts]

Yes and as such he was sacked. Since appointing Maloney we haven’t improved at all. Football is horrific and he’s getting the results to match.

I wouldn’t disagree with that.

I would disagree that a semi competent manager would have this squad top 6 though. There’s at least 10-15 bottom 6 standard players in the squad imo.

[Callum_62]

I wouldn’t disagree with that.

I would disagree that a semi competent manager would have this squad top 6 though. There’s at least 10-15 bottom 6 standard players in the squad imo.I guess the counter to that is maloney has hardly won a game and we were an 86th minute penalty away from making top 6

I think a better/more experienced manager would've found the extra 2 points needed quite comfortably

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[GreenCastle]

Not enough is being made of the January transfer window we had….. Arguably one of the most bizarre windows in our history . Lost our best player …and after going into it for months talking about how poor the summer window was ..we buy a set of players who have barely made any impact on our team. Add to that we spent most of our money on development players - absolute bananas. Makes Mathie looks like a transfer god……totally ridiculous….

Agreed - we brought players in who hardly ever play.

Rocky
Melkersen
Jasper
Henderson

…

Clarke playing in his normal position and Mitchell probably will be fine but slightly worried about Mueller being too lightweight.

Our squad is a mess and we need another rebuild this summer adding new players and getting rid of serious deadwood players who don’t contribute enough.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I guess the counter to that is maloney has hardly won a game and we were an 86th minute penalty away from making top 6

I think a better/more experienced manager would've found the extra 2 points needed quite comfortably

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That’s fair.

I still think we have a bottom six squad though. A lot of players in this squad are absolutely terrible and wouldn’t have been signed under Stubbs or Lennon. Since then we’ve signed an absolutely tragic standard of player.

[MGmick]

You don't think Nisbet and Doidge offer more than James Scott?

Dont be ridiculous

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Selina Scott would offer more than James Scott but that doesn't make either Nisbet or Doidge a miss. It just means they're a little less worthless than Scott.

[B.H.F.C]

Thought he looked beaten at the end.

Feel sorry in terms of the ***** he’s inherited , but you can’t keep doing the same thing regardless of the result.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Thought he looked beaten at the end.

Feel sorry in terms of the ***** he’s inherited , but you can’t keep doing the same thing regardless of the result.

:agree:

Thing is I’m not sure there’s all that much he can change with what he has.

It’s simply not worked for anyone.

I don’t think he can do all that much to change this. The squad we have is an abomination. But he has taken this job at a horrendous time. He should have held out to take over from a manager who was leaving a team on a high. Instead he tried to take over a sinking ship.

[1875Sean]

:agree:

Thing is I’m not sure there’s all that much he can change with what he has.

It’s simply not worked for anyone.

I don’t think he can do all that much to change this. The squad we have is an abomination. But he has taken this job at a horrendous time. He should have held out to take over from a manager who was leaving a team on a high. Instead he tried to take over a sinking ship.

So don’t you think another manager could do better with the current squad?

[Northernhibee]

So don’t you think another manager could do better with the current squad?

I have literally no idea how anyone can think he’s getting the maximum out of this team.

[Paulie Walnuts]

So don’t you think another manager could do better with the current squad?

With this squad? I’m honestly not all that sure.

We’ve got a 19 year old striker who’s never played on grass until a couple months ago. Literally nobody else to play centre forward. We’d be pissing ourselves laughing if there was a top flight team who only had a child who’s never played any level of football on grass as their only fit striker.

We’ve got an average at best goalkeeper, a mixture of ageing defenders or guys like Rocky who aren’t good enough. Absolutely nobody of an acceptable standard to play out wide. A semi competent centre mid in Newell and varying degrees of poor centre mids to partner him in JDH, Wright and Campbell.

I’m toiling to see what we change to get more out this team. I honestly think this squad is of a similar standard to the 2010-2014 squads. Even more bizarrely, we’ve somehow been drawn into giving a lot of them long contracts.

[PH91]

I have literally no idea how anyone can think he’s getting the maximum out of this team.

I think a manager like mcinnes or dare i say it neilson could put out a team that would beat maloneys using the same 11 players.

We have signed some poor players for our standards but no way is maloney getting the best out of the squad. Not even close.

[1875Sean]

With this squad? I’m honestly not all that sure.

We’ve got a 19 year old striker who’s never played on grass until a couple months ago. Literally nobody else to play centre forward. We’d be pissing ourselves laughing if there was a top flight team who only had a child who’s never played any level of football on grass as their only fit striker.

We’ve got an average at best goalkeeper, a mixture of ageing defenders or guys like Rocky who aren’t good enough. Absolutely nobody of an acceptable standard to play out wide. A semi competent centre mid in Newell and varying degrees of poor centre mids to partner him in JDH, Wright and Campbell.

I’m toiling to see what we change to get more out this team. I honestly think this squad is of a similar standard to the 2010-2014 squads. Even more bizarrely, we’ve somehow been drawn into giving a lot of them long contracts.

He’s continuing to play a systems that’s not working, he’s playing doig left centre back when he’s best at left wing back, he’s played Clarke a right back or centre half at left wing back! He continues to play Rocky when he is a bombscare

It was Maloney call to get rid of players like Murphy, Gogic, Hallberg as well as letting players like tait and mackay, bradley go out on loan, I know they weren’t great but some are better than what we have just now!

I am sick of people defending Maloney saying it’s the squad or we don’t have Boyle, even when the likes of Doidge, McGinn were fit Maloney never played them

[Paulie Walnuts]

He’s continuing to play a systems that’s not working, he’s playing doig left centre back when he’s best at left wing back, he’s played Clarke a right back or centre half at left wing back! He continues to play Rocky when he is a bombscare

It was Maloney call to get rid of players like Murphy, Gogic, Hallberg as well as letting players like tait and mackay, bradley go out on loan, I know they weren’t great but some are better than what we have just now!

I am sick of people defending Maloney saying it’s the squad or we don’t have Boyle, even when the likes of Doidge, McGinn were fit Maloney never played them

Was it his call to get rid of these players?

We keep getting told that the recruitment team let Jack Ross down, when did they stop making the calls? When Ross left?

[1875Sean]

Was it his call to get rid of these players?

We keep getting told that the recruitment team let Jack Ross down, when did they stop making the calls? When Ross left?

Well he is the manger, they left in Jan, I am assuming it was his call he stays and goes, he picks the team and if he wanted them involved and playing they would have stayed!

You mentioned about rocky, he’s a Maloney signing and he picks him week in and out, give me McGregor or Stevenson over him any day

[Paulie Walnuts]

Well he is the manger, they left in Jan, I am assuming it was his call he stays and goes, he picks the team and if he wanted them involved and playing they would have stayed!

You mentioned about rocky, he’s a Maloney signing and he picks him week in and out, give me McGregor or Stevenson over him any day

Why would it be his call? It wasn’t Jack Ross’ call by all accounts? Has the way we work the recruitment side of things changed?

Genuine question btw - the club seemed to acknowledge that the recruitment team let JR down, so unless we’ve changed the way we work then I’d suggest we’ve let Maloney down as well.

[1875Sean]

Why would it be his call? It wasn’t Jack Ross’ call by all accounts? Has the way we work the recruitment side of things changed?

Genuine question btw - the club seemed to acknowledge that the recruitment team let JR down, so unless we’ve changed the way we work then I’d suggest we’ve let Maloney down as well.

Yes everyone knows the recruitment should and could have been better and people have lost their jobs over it, my point is Maloney had time to assess the squad and he wanted the players I mentioned out which is fine if he had better

I am puzzled that you think a more experienced or better manager couldn’t get more from the squad, maybe a change of system, or a change of style to suit the players we have now then come the summer have a proper pre season, get rid of the players who don’t suit the way you want to play

[Paulie Walnuts]

Yes everyone knows the recruitment should and could have been better and people have lost their jobs over it, my point is Maloney had time to assess the squad and he wanted the players I mentioned out which is fine if he had better

I am puzzled that you think a more experienced or better manager couldn’t get more from the squad, maybe a change of system, or a change of style to suit the players we have now then come the summer have a proper pre season, get rid of the players who don’t suit the way you want to play

I’m not meaning to sound arsey, but do you know he wanted them out? Maybe the recruitment team wanted them out so they could get the new guys in?

A change of style or system maybe would work. But with 1 fit striker, a lack of any decent centre mids or wingers then I’m not sure what system that we could realistically play would work better.

4-4-2? No. We don’t have two strikers.

4-3-3? No, we have terrible wingers and we have terrible centre mids so I wouldn’t be in a hurry to have 3 of them playing

3-5-2? No, we don’t have two strikers and we have terrible centre mids so I wouldn’t be in a hurry to have 3 of them playing.

4-2-3-1? Again, we have terrible wingers but it would maybe work if the 3 played narrow.

Our issue isn’t the system imo. It’s that the players are absolutely rank rotten.

[1875Sean]

I’m not meaning to sound arsey, but do you know he wanted them out? Maybe the recruitment team wanted them out so they could get the new guys in?

A change of style or system maybe would work. But with 1 fit striker, a lack of any decent centre mids or wingers then I’m not sure what system that we could realistically play would work better.

4-4-2? No. We don’t have two strikers.

4-3-3? No, we have terrible wingers

3-5-2? No, we don’t have two strikers

4-2-3-1? Again, we have terrible wingers but it would maybe work if the 3 played narrow.

Our issue isn’t the system imo. It’s that the players are absolutely rank rotten.

When we have had other strikers who were fit he still played with 1 up top?

It was the same moans before Nisbet got injured, Melkersen never played, when doidge came back he was on the bench, I have my doubt he would change the system is we had more forwards

You are saying we have terrible wingers but the system we play at the moment these terrible wingers are playing!

Why keep the same system and players and expect the same result?

[Paulie Walnuts]

When we have had other strikers who were fit he still played with 1 up top?

It was the same moans before Nisbet got injured, Melkersen never played, when doidge came back he was on the bench, I have my doubt he would change the system is we had more forwards

You are saying we have terrible wingers but the system we play at the moment these terrible wingers are playing!

Why keep the same system and players and expect the same result?

That’s fair.

I don’t necessarily disagree with changing the system. I just don’t think it’ll make any odds.

The players we have are rotten. Stick them in whatever system we want, the end result will be the same in that we will be absolutely *****.

The players imo are generally speaking absolutely abysmal.

[1875Sean]

That’s fair.

I don’t necessarily disagree with changing the system. I just don’t think it’ll make any odds.

The players we have are rotten. Stick them in whatever system we want, the end result will be the same in that we will be absolutely *****.

The players imo are generally speaking absolutely abysmal.

Agreed the players are poor but playing players in their strongest position would help

[FitbaFolkKen]

Jack Ross had us 7th. Was he incompetent?

I personally think our squad is horrific. The standard of player is abysmal.

Whether Maloney has anything to do with that or not is another story but I’m not convinced anyone would be winning many games with this team.

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He had us 7th for one week, prior to the drop to 5th we had spent 40 odd weeks in the top 4 and left us in a cup final. It isn’t the sign of a horrific squad however they are presented to us now.

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[McGruber]

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He had us 7th for one week, prior to the drop to 5th we had spent 40 odd weeks in the top 4 and left us in a cup final. It isn’t the sign of a horrific squad however they are presented to us now.

Edit - 14 months in top 4

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Yes. Maloney has to go. Now. Before the semi to give us an outside chance.

Was only last week a poster said it was a sign of improvement, 'and an obvious one at that' refrencing we were 6th when SM took us over in 7th. Crazy.

[Since452]

Is he gone yet?

[WhileTheChief..]

Folk were just scrambling around looking for a reason to keep him.

Going from 7th to 6th in this league being championed as improvement was mental and was really just folk wanting an argument.

Thankfully the support is now pretty much fully aligned in wanting him out and a proper manager appointed.

The club should be using this as an opportunity to kick start things.

Make the change, admit we made a mistake but say it was worth trying or some other BS, thank Kensall for his time and start from scratch.

I'd definitely have SDG as interim manager for the semi.

[JammyDoidger]

Thinks he knows it all when he knows **** all. Usual story of these up coming coaches. Get him out give us a small chance of winning this game next week, lennon in.

[Northernhibee]

Folk were just scrambling around looking for a reason to keep him.

Going from 7th to 6th in this league being championed as improvement was mental and was really just folk wanting an argument.

Thankfully the support is now pretty much fully aligned in wanting him out and a proper manager appointed.

The club should be using this as an opportunity to kick start things.

Make the change, admit we made a mistake but say it was worth trying or some other BS, thank Kensall for his time and start from scratch.

I'd definitely have SDG as interim manager for the semi.

The new manager bounce alone would give us a chance. Maloney has all the personality and charisma of my dugs squeaky toy and having someone in that could get the team motivated would be huge. I think SDG and Daz could do that.

[WestCoastHibby]

Due to COVID and some other issues , I’ve not been to Easter Rd for over two years. At this rate I’m not sure I’m ever going to be back.
What’s going on with our club? This is a real crisis now

[Jones28]

I couldn’t care less if he left and I’d want Gray in charge until the end of the season.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Folk were just scrambling around looking for a reason to keep him.

Going from 7th to 6th in this league being championed as improvement was mental and was really just folk wanting an argument.

Thankfully the support is now pretty much fully aligned in wanting him out and a proper manager appointed.

The club should be using this as an opportunity to kick start things.

Make the change, admit we made a mistake but say it was worth trying or some other BS, thank Kensall for his time and start from scratch.

I'd definitely have SDG as interim manager for the semi.

Going from 7th to 6th in the league was an improvement. It’s an improvement no matter what team you are, who the manager is, what your budget is, the style of football you play. There’s really no disputing that unless as you’ve said, you’re just looking for an argument.

[The Modfather]

I don’t think he would have many complaints if he was sacked. However he’s not responsible for the mess of the squad he inherited. Hopefully what we’re seeing now is simply because he’s not got the experience to make the best of a bad hand. Hopefully with some key recruitment in the summer will see what he’s made off.

If he isn’t here next season I simply hope the next man makes me enjoy watching Hibs again and actively want to go watch them. That wasn’t the case under Ross nor Maloney so far.

[Borderhibbie76]

Anyone who thinks for a minute Maloney has improved us must be watching games with their eyes painted on, we are dull, boring and insipid with zero pace nor creativity. He is a desperately dull character who looks completely and utterly out his depth. Sadly he won't be sacked until we get another doing next week then he's a dead man walking

[madhatter]

I don’t think he would have many complaints if he was sacked. However he’s not responsible for the mess of the squad he inherited. Hopefully what we’re seeing now is simply because he’s not got the experience to make the best of a bad hand. Hopefully with some key recruitment in the summer will see what he’s made off.

If he isn’t here next season I simply hope the next man makes me enjoy watching Hibs again and actively want to go watch them. That wasn’t the case under Ross nor Maloney so far.

Could you not argue the same for Jack Ross when he was sacked? I'm sure we said recruit a few players in key positions last summer and look where we've ended up.

Recruitment needs to start now. A new recruitment team and a plan.

[Since452]

Even if we somehow fluke a win next week it hasn't been good enough and he should go. Hopefully they go down to 10 men in the first couple of minutes and we scrape over the line.

[Onion]

If SM is going to make it at ER, I fear there are some hard times ahead - so all need to buckle up.

[Callum_62]

If SM is going to make it at ER, I fear there are some hard times ahead - so all need to buckle up.It's not what this board is about

We demand a winning team, and when we get one we demand that the wins are done with flair

Literally we will always have a restless element of our fan base

If maloney goes, he goes - it would seem odd considering he's always been a long terms placement. It's very hard to come in mid season and change the style of play over 1 January window

For me he should have been more pragmatic about the way we play and just ensured we kept the points ticking on a semi regular basis

It hasn't happened and he probably couldn't argue too much if he's sacked

At somepoint though we need to stand by a manger and realise we won't always have it our own way

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[Paulie Walnuts]

It's not what this board is about

We demand a winning team, and when we get one we demand that the wins are done with flair

Literally we will always have a restless element of our fan base

If maloney goes, he goes - it would seem odd considering he's always been a long terms placement. It's very hard to come in mid season and change the style of play over 1 January window

For me he should have been more pragmatic about the way we play and just ensured we kept the points ticking on a semi regular basis

It hasn't happened and he probably couldn't argue too much if he's sacked

At somepoint though we need to stand by a manger and realise we won't always have it our own way

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And that point is now imo.

We’ve got 5 meaningless games and a semi final where we wouldn’t have a replacement in in time anyway.

With nothing to play for it’s time to stick for a bit imo.

[GreenCastle]

Has he lost the dressing room ?

Having slept on it - my view still hasn’t changed.

I have him the benefit of the doubt after Dundee Utd 2nd half but I feel like I’ve seen this movie before.

We wait and wait expecting improvements and the club just gets run into the ground.

The way has been run and managed the past 12 months has been a disaster and I’m completely fed up with it.

Action is needed and quickly but I’ve lost faith in Ben and the recruitment team - they have failed us twice and even getting rid of the Maloney they have a lot of making up to do as going to Easter Road is dull and expensive.

It’s a crap situation and totally disillusioned with the club.

[Greenbeard]

Per Scotland on Sunday....
Shaun Maloney has warned his players, after they missed out on a top-six finish in the Scottish Premiership, they are playing for their futures at the club between now and the end of the season

Needs correcting to.....
Shaun Maloney has warned his players, after they missed out on a top-six finish in the Scottish Premiership, they are playing for HIS future at the club between now and next Sunday.

[Northernhibee]

Per Scotland on Sunday....
Shaun Maloney has warned his players, after they missed out on a top-six finish in the Scottish Premiership, they are playing for their futures at the club between now and the end of the season

Needs correcting to.....
Shaun Maloney has warned his players, after they missed out on a top-six finish in the Scottish Premiership, they are playing for HIS future at the club between now and next Sunday.

He could give them a chance by not hammering square pegs into round holes and asking them to play in a way that doesn’t suit them.

I don’t trust him whatsoever.

[Rondon]

Per Scotland on Sunday....
Shaun Maloney has warned his players, after they missed out on a top-six finish in the Scottish Premiership, they are playing for their futures at the club between now and the end of the season

Needs correcting to.....
Shaun Maloney has warned his players, after they missed out on a top-six finish in the Scottish Premiership, they are playing for HIS future at the club between now and next Sunday.

What’s wrong with his statement? I’m glad he’s said that and quite rightly so.

[Greenbeard]

What’s wrong with his statement? I’m glad he’s said that and quite rightly so.
It is so so wrong cos it is primarily HIS fault we are bottom six. He is passing the buck and that statement makes me feel even more strongly that he needs booted. I suspect a few of the players will now be thinking likewise.

[Daily Hibs]

So far out his depth, get him out my club. Along with the big game consistent failures who have survived manager after manager.

Time to get the culture of the club sorted from fans and from top to bottom.

[jacomo]

When we have had other strikers who were fit he still played with 1 up top?

It was the same moans before Nisbet got injured, Melkersen never played, when doidge came back he was on the bench, I have my doubt he would change the system is we had more forwards

You are saying we have terrible wingers but the system we play at the moment these terrible wingers are playing!

Why keep the same system and players and expect the same result?


Squad that finished 3rd last season, went deep into the cups, and added some promising talent in January is now rank rotten?

The balance was wrong after the summer and it’s still wrong now. But there’s no way this group of players should be in the bottom six.

[jacomo]

I don’t know enough about the behind the scenes stuff really, but ultimately the buck stops with the manager as far as signings go.

Whenever anybody at Hibs is asked about who we sign, they have always said the manager has the final say.

If that’s the case, it’s on Maloney more than the head of recruitment no?


It’s always on the manager, at the end of the day.

[Key West]

Not the sort of comments that are going to motivate the players next week, I'm critical of fans not being constructive this is poor in my opinion, hope we win and he is proved right.

[OldEast]

Not the sort of comments that are going to motivate the players next week, I'm critical of fans not being constructive this is poor in my opinion, hope we win and he is proved right.

That's where I am. If he hasn't already lost the support of a few players through his team selections and more importantly formations, this could push a few over the edge.

[Steven79]

The thing that pisses me off about him the most is his inability to adapt to the game as he sticks rigidly to his 3-4-3 even when it's not working and yesterday rather than throwing on another forward for a midfielder he takes our only striker off for Scott who lets face it is the answer then I don't know what the ******g question is as he's hopeless and won't score a single goal for us this season.

Once the game starts you need to keep adjusting tactics and shape according to how the game is going and how the other team adapt but no he just keeps the team playing the same way hoping that somehow we win the game (Why wouldn't we since his plan is so ******g amazing)

The only game we have won at home recently was against Ross County and that was only due to a couple of cracking strikes or that would have been yet another draw to add to his collection.

If you aren't scoring goals then you need to adapt not keep pushing square pegs into round holes but he's incapable as he's either too arrogant or stuborn to change things as his way is right and it's all the players fault.

Sure some of the players aren't good enough so why persist in doing something that won't get the best out of them?

Compare the wage budget to say Ross County and the difference is that Malky has got the best out of what they have and are in the top 6.

[Greenwich_Hibby]

A good coach will p*ss with the c*ck he has rather than trying to put a philosophy onto players who clearly either can't or won't do it. On that basis, he has shown huge naivety and is clearly out of his depth.

[Nicho87]

Nothing would surprise me losing next week

Fan outrage

Maloney sees where the club is going and resigns after last home game to save his own face

A right possibility

[Stokesy's on fire]

Nothing would surprise me losing next week

Fan outrage

Maloney sees where the club is going and resigns after last home game to save his own face

A right possibility

He should resign now best way for him to try and salvage his managerial career

[blackpoolhibs]

Our best chance of a result next week is if he was punted, and SDG took his place. I'm going out of duty, but i just cant see any other result than a defeat with him in charge.:rolleyes:

[Key West]

Our best chance of a result next week is if he was punted, and SDG took his place. I'm going out of duty, but i just cant see any other result than a defeat with him in charge.:rolleyes:

I'd bring back Whittaker 100% record 4-1 away to St Johnstone. 😂

[Blurhibee]

He might be away tomorrow

[Steven79]

He might be away tomorrow

Can't see it.

Ron will probably extend his contract...

[A Hi-Bee]

Nothing would surprise me losing next week

Fan outrage

Maloney sees where the club is going and resigns after last home game to save his own face

A right possibility

Bring back Lenny, we need another go on the roller coaster, rather than this boring poor football.
:greengrin

[Hibs90]

Get rid of Kensell, go get Alan Burrows.

Get rid of Maloney and trust Burrows to get the appointment right. I don't think he's made a bad appointment at Motherwell.

[Green Blood]

The only thing more dangerous than ignorance is arrogance! Maloney has his head in the clouds, time for a change. You win any way you can not just the way you want, that is selfish.

[jacomo]

The thing that pisses me off about him the most is his inability to adapt to the game as he sticks rigidly to his 3-4-3 even when it's not working and yesterday rather than throwing on another forward for a midfielder he takes our only striker off for Scott who lets face it is the answer then I don't know what the ******g question is as he's hopeless and won't score a single goal for us this season.

Once the game starts you need to keep adjusting tactics and shape according to how the game is going and how the other team adapt but no he just keeps the team playing the same way hoping that somehow we win the game (Why wouldn't we since his plan is so ******g amazing)

The only game we have won at home recently was against Ross County and that was only due to a couple of cracking strikes or that would have been yet another draw to add to his collection.

If you aren't scoring goals then you need to adapt not keep pushing square pegs into round holes but he's incapable as he's either too arrogant or stuborn to change things as his way is right and it's all the players fault.

Sure some of the players aren't good enough so why persist in doing something that won't get the best out of them?

Compare the wage budget to say Ross County and the difference is that Malky has got the best out of what they have and are in the top 6.


:agree:

If you want to change the way a team plays, if you want them to adopt your philosophy, then you need time. Results buy you time.

Shaun seems quite dogmatic in his approach. It’s not doing us any favours right now.

[Steven79]

The only thing more dangerous than ignorance is arrogance! Maloney has his head in the clouds, time for a change. You win any way you can not just the way you want, that is selfish.

This!

[bigwheel]

Bring back Lenny, we need another go on the roller coaster, rather than this boring poor football.
:greengrin

Will never happen - but the players would love that

[Carheenlea]

It’s been very quiet on the official social media front since yesterday. Wouldn’t surprise me in the least if the next one is to announce the relieving of Maloney’s duties.

[Hibees1973]

Know it's only football and there are other more important things going just now, but looking at the general feeling across the recent threads it's getting poisonous with everything Hibs.

Ron Gordon, his son and Kensall have proved themselves to be poor football leaders and decision makers.

We have an inept, inexperienced and naive manager who I am beginning to loathe. Over the last few weeks he has defended his team selections and tactics, then given a dishonest analysis on how his team performed. To top it off he was quoted yesterday as saying some players are playing for their futures without questioning his own managerial decisions. What a wee arrogant so and so.

Defeat next week then I hope they all leave Hibs as soon as possible. They have all ripped the heart out of the club and left supporters fearing the next debacle.

[B.H.F.C]

It’s been very quiet on the official social media front since yesterday. Wouldn’t surprise me in the least if the next one is to announce the relieving of Maloney’s duties.

Can’t see it, if it was going to happen it would have happened already.

Because of the manner of the defeat yesterday, I think anything other than a win on Saturday will see him out of a job though.

[Libby Hibby]

I’ve defended Maloney in the past and given time, I think he’ll get there but time is one thing we do not have.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he is sacked In the morning but if he is not and we are defeated next week, I can’t see it lasting too much longer.

He was the wrong type of appointment but that wasn’t his fault. BK should take some responsibility here. The whole club strategy just now seems a shambles from top to bottom.

[A Hi-Bee]

Know it's only football and there are other more important things going just now, but looking at the general feeling across the recent threads it's getting poisonous with everything Hibs.

Ron Gordon, his son and Kensall have proved themselves to be poor football leaders and decision makers.

We have an inept, inexperienced and naive manager who I am beginning to loathe. Over the last few weeks he has defended his team selections and tactics, then given a dishonest analysis on how his team performed. To top it off he was quoted yesterday as saying some players are playing for their futures without questioning his own managerial decisions. What a wee arrogant so and so.

Defeat next week then I hope they all leave Hibs as soon as possible. They have all ripped the heart out of the club and left supporters fearing the next debacle.

Well the first part of your comment was spot on, as for the rest of it, well you are entitled to your opinion and we all have at least one.
The rest is uncalled for, I am just guessing here but you would and could do better eh!
:thumbsup:

[Billy Whizz]

It’s been very quiet on the official social media front since yesterday. Wouldn’t surprise me in the least if the next one is to announce the relieving of Maloney’s duties.

They stupidly put up the Paul Hanlon video interview this morning, should have clocked off last night with his interview on the Hibs website

[LancsHibs]

I’ve defended Maloney in the past and given time, I think he’ll get there but time is one thing we do not have.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he is sacked In the morning but if he is not and we are defeated next week, I can’t see it lasting too much longer.

He was the wrong type of appointment but that wasn’t his fault. BK should take some responsibility here. The whole club strategy just now seems a shambles from top to bottom.

Yes gone this week or next

[Coco Bryce]

Massive game for SM on Saturday.

Another heavy defeat and it's all over for him.

[Since452]

A new manager very rarely comes in and has a run as bad as this. The writing is on the wall.

[Greenbeard]

Would be a horrendous business decision to provide any reasonable level of funds for him to spend over the summer when he has proved to be so inept and unable to adapt tactically. Why waste that investment when there is a good chance we'd have yet another manager coming in a couple of months into next season who has the ready-made excuse of having to make do with another manager's signings.
If he is to stay I reckon it will need a massive turnaround in form with not only a win in the semi but also mostly convincing wins in the post-split fixtures with an absolute minimum 10 points.
But I think it's odds-on he'll be gone by Sunday.

[Skol]

Would be a horrendous business decision to provide any reasonable level of funds for him to spend over the summer when he has proved to be so inept and unable to adapt tactically. Why waste that investment when there is a good chance we'd have yet another manager coming in a couple of months into next season who has the ready-made excuse of having to make do with another manager's signings.
If he is to stay I reckon it will need a massive turnaround in form with not only a win in the semi but also mostly convincing wins in the post-split fixtures with an absolute minimum 10 points.
But I think it's odds-on he'll be gone by Sunday.

Hibs find themselves now with a series of bad options:

1) Continue as is, support him in the transfer market and hope he turns things around although the evidence suggests that is unlikely
2) Keep Maloney, restrict his budget and hope to see signs that he can turn it around
3) Change the manager

Option 2 is clearly a non starter and so it is 1 or 3. I normally dont want to see change in manager without giving them a chance, but the risks of 1 are just too great IMO and the least bad course of action is number 3.

I think hibs will go for option 1 though as they have chosen maloney and need him to succeed. This could mean though we get to October and need to make a change and if the recent window is anything to go by have a squad that a new manager will struggle to get much from

[GreenCastle]

Hibs find themselves now with a series of bad options:

1) Continue as is, support him in the transfer market and hope he turns things around although the evidence suggests that is unlikely
2) Keep Maloney, restrict his budget and hope to see signs that he can turn it around
3) Change the manager

Option 2 is clearly a non starter and so it is 1 or 3. I normally dont want to see change in manager without giving them a chance, but the risks of 1 are just too great IMO and the least bad course of action is number 3.

I think hibs will go for option 1 though as they have chosen maloney and need him to succeed. This could mean though we get to October and need to make a change and if the recent window is anything to go by have a squad that a new manager will struggle to get much from

He will be playing in front of an empty Easter Road.

Winning this weekend is the only way he can save his job.

If he wins it gives him more time.

If he loses the next question is sack him after the game or let him finish the season then allow someone else a pre season and a chance to fix this mess.

[ehf]

He will be playing in front of an empty Easter Road.

Winning this weekend is the only way he can save his job.

If he wins it gives him more time.

If he loses the next question is sack him after the game or let him finish the season then allow someone else a pre season and a chance to fix this mess.

The problem is that, although next season seems along way off, it’s only just over two months until pre-season starts; that’s not a lot of time to undertake the massive rebuilding exercise that is required (playing squad, coaching staff and recruitment team). He has to go as soon as the yams put us out of our misery on Saturday.

[Skol]

He will be playing in front of an empty Easter Road.

Winning this weekend is the only way he can save his job.

If he wins it gives him more time.

If he loses the next question is sack him after the game or let him finish the season then allow someone else a pre season and a chance to fix this mess.

I find it hard to see any way Maloney can oversee a win at Hampden and for that reason I would be tempted to make a change today. However, you are right, maloney will be given Saturday in the hope it saves him his job. The thing is we then risk a Jim Duffy type scenario where we somehow came back from two down for a draw at Tynecastle on NYD (or was it Boxing Day ?) and Duffy stayed in role but we ended up going down

[J-C]

Here's an idea, how about we have a right moan about these bunch of hopeless losers called players, they've got rid of one manager and looks like it might be 2 soon. I'm fed up to the back teeth of this 18 month manager merrygo round, jeezo, Maloney's only been here for 4 months ffs.

[MikeyS]

Here's an idea, how about we have a right moan about these bunch of hopeless losers called players, they've got rid of one manager and looks like it might be 2 soon. I'm fed up to the back teeth of this 18 month manager merrygo round, jeezo, Maloney's only been here for 4 months ffs.

There has been plenty of criticism dished out to the players, I've seen Hanlon, Rocky, Newell, JDH, Henderson, Campbell & Scott all hammered since Saturday and most cases rightly so.

However, they are all just playing to the waybtheybhave been told by Maloney. The buck stops with him, he is trying to implemented a style that the players just can't fathom. He should be altering that to suit what he has at the present moment and steady us towards the end of the season.

I cannot understand your mindset that just cos it's only been 4 months of pish that we shouldn't sack him. Can you honestly say you've seen anything from SM that is worth persevering with??

[Hermit Crab]

Here's an idea, how about we have a right moan about these bunch of hopeless losers called players, they've got rid of one manager and looks like it might be 2 soon. I'm fed up to the back teeth of this 18 month manager merrygo round, jeezo, Maloney's only been here for 4 months ffs.


Yes but his record in that time is absolutely honking. Any other team would have got rid by now. 15 league games and only 15 points out of a possible 45 if I've done the numbers correctly.

[JimBHibees]

Here's an idea, how about we have a right moan about these bunch of hopeless losers called players, they've got rid of one manager and looks like it might be 2 soon. I'm fed up to the back teeth of this 18 month manager merrygo round, jeezo, Maloney's only been here for 4 months ffs.

Completely agree. Should be backed irrespective of result on Saturday however this knee jerk famine or feast doesnt help anything long term. So many seem to absolutely hate Hibs at the moment while no doubt many trolls no context around alot of the chat. We were playing well until two pathetic goals it happens the rest in the main is down to players imo.

[JimBHibees]

There has been plenty of criticism dished out to the players, I've seen Hanlon, Rocky, Newell, JDH, Henderson, Campbell & Scott all hammered since Saturday and most cases rightly so.

However, they are all just playing to the waybtheybhave been told by Maloney. The buck stops with him, he is trying to implemented a style that the players just can't fathom. He should be altering that to suit what he has at the present moment and steady us towards the end of the season.

I cannot understand your mindset that just cos it's only been 4 months of pish that we shouldn't sack him. Can you honestly say you've seen anything from SM that is worth persevering with??

Pretty sure Maloney would not have been telling them not to compete and duck out of tackles

[JimBHibees]

Yes but his record in that time is absolutely honking. Any other team would have got rid by now. 15 league games and only 15 points out of a possible 45 if I've done the numbers correctly.

No getting away it is honking however and this is just my view we should have some patience and review in October. No point not giving him a proper shot at it.

[LaMotta]

Here's an idea, how about we have a right moan about these bunch of hopeless losers called players, they've got rid of one manager and looks like it might be 2 soon. I'm fed up to the back teeth of this 18 month manager merrygo round, jeezo, Maloney's only been here for 4 months ffs.

Sauzee got just over 2 months as Hibs manager. Maloney has one game to save his job.

[MikeyS]

Yes but his record in that time is absolutely honking. Any other team would have got rid by now. 15 league games and only 15 points out of a possible 45 if I've done the numbers correctly.

Correct! This nonsense about worrying what kind of message it sends out to other potential managers if we sack someone quickly doesn't stand up. If he is binned today, we would have hundreds of applicants by the end of the week!

[Since90+2]

Completely agree. Should be backed irrespective of result on Saturday however this knee jerk famine or feast doesnt help anything long term. So many seem to absolutely hate Hibs at the moment while no doubt many trolls no context around alot of the chat. We were playing well until two pathetic goals it happens the rest in the main is down to players imo.

Let's be honest we got very lucky with the goal. Apart from that I genuinely can't remember us having a single effort on goal during the entire game.

[MikeyS]

Pretty sure Maloney would not have been telling them not to compete and duck out of tackles

Which ones are you specifically meaning Jim? Ill give you Scott as he is more interested in how his hair is standing up than anything else but I'm not sure I saw people purposely not tackling more that they are just poor players I.e. Campbell or getting chucked about like an empty tracksuit like Hanlon was.

[Paulie Walnuts]

No getting away it is honking however and this is just my view we should have some patience and review in October. No point not giving him a proper shot at it.

This is where I’m at.

Lose on Saturday and the season is over. We can then start focusing on getting rid of some of the dross and recruiting.

If Gordon wants Maloney to be a success then he must be heavily backed. He was taken out at the knees within a couple of weeks of getting the job when our one man team was sold. We’ve got plenty money in the bank from Boyle. Get it spent on some real quality and we’ll then start to see what Maloney is made of. No more 19 year olds, no more Henderson’s or James Scott’s. Real proven quality.

[MikeyS]

This is where I’m at.

Lose on Saturday and the season is over. We can then start focusing on getting rid of some of the dross and recruiting.

If Gordon wants Maloney to be a success then he must be heavily backed. He was taken out at the knees within a couple of weeks of getting the job when our one man team was sold. We’ve got plenty money in the bank from Boyle. Get it spent on some real quality and we’ll then start to see what Maloney is made of. No more 19 year olds, no more Henderson’s or James Scott’s. Real proven quality.



Do you not think that money will have gone towards getting Maloney, Henderson, Rocky, Jasper, Delfierre, Hauge, Melkerson? Now obviously it's not all been spent but between wages and loan fees he has been well backed.

[LancsHibs]

Yes but his record in that time is absolutely honking. Any other team would have got rid by now. 15 league games and only 15 points out of a possible 45 if I've done the numbers correctly.

Correct, his record is horrific, and let’s not kid anyone, it’s not like we are a newly promoted club playing at a higher level than usual, we are playing in a pretty poor league where the majority of clubs are ‘smaller fish’ than us and operate on a lower budget.
The OF are obviously at a higher level than us and I would expect us to lose more than we win against them, Hearts & Aberdeen at roughly the same level and I expect us to be around the 50% points level and the rest I would expect us to be winning more than we lose.
It’s not like Maloney took us on at a particularly low point either, under Ross we were not making the desired progress IMO but this guy is taking us backwards at an alarming rate! Worrying times!

[jeffers]

This is where I’m at.

Lose on Saturday and the season is over. We can then start focusing on getting rid of some of the dross and recruiting.

If Gordon wants Maloney to be a success then he must be heavily backed. He was taken out at the knees within a couple of weeks of getting the job when our one man team was sold. We’ve got plenty money in the bank from Boyle. Get it spent on some real quality and we’ll then start to see what Maloney is made of. No more 19 year olds, no more Henderson’s or James Scott’s. Real proven quality.

Not for me. Two of the players Maloney was very keen to bring in were Rocky and Henderson. Being kind, neither are good enough, even Jasper who has potential is hit or miss. I have zero confidence in him to bring in the right players if heavily backed. Add in the fact two of the players he seems to rate highly are Drey Wright and Josh Campbell.

[GreenCastle]

Here's an idea, how about we have a right moan about these bunch of hopeless losers called players, they've got rid of one manager and looks like it might be 2 soon. I'm fed up to the back teeth of this 18 month manager merrygo round, jeezo, Maloney's only been here for 4 months ffs.

What about moaning about the recruitment ?

I don’t think the players have given up - I just don’t think they are very good.

But then you could say the manager needs to adapt and stop trying to be too clever and just play a formation that is simple and football that is effective not trying to be Man City / Liverpool / Belgium.

[DIXIHIBS]

Do you not think that money will have gone towards getting Maloney, Henderson, Rocky, Jasper, Delfierre, Hauge, Melkerson? Now obviously it's not all been spent but between wages and loan fees he has been well backed.

Fair bit of that money will also go to the shortfall in ST money next season. If we lose on Saturday, no way are we selling over 10k ST'S.

[J-C]

Which ones are you specifically meaning Jim? Ill give you Scott as he is more interested in how his hair is standing up than anything else but I'm not sure I saw people purposely not tackling more that they are just poor players I.e. Campbell or getting chucked about like an empty tracksuit like Hanlon was.

How about Hanlon bring bullied, JDH not tackling leading up to the goal, not tracking the player for the 2nd goal, not closing down on the edge of the box for the 3rd. Then there's bombs are Rocky who can't judge a ball in mid air, or pass. How about standard passing the ball or closing people down, all basics of football which they haven't been doing for a good long while. We have bang average to poor players and the two runs under Ross and Maloney just proves that.

The knives have been out for Maloney from the beginning, many were upset when Ross got emptied and no matter who took over they were up against it, more so because he's a rookie.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Not for me. Two of the players Maloney was very keen to bring in were Rocky and Henderson. Being kind, neither are good enough, even Jasper who has potential is hit or miss. I have zero confidence in him to bring in the right players if heavily backed. Add in the fact two of the players he seems to rate highly are Drey Wright and Josh Campbell.

Why is it now Maloneys fault the signings are pish? Did Henderson not also say he’d had contact from Hibs before Maloney in his interview but Maloney coming in made him really want to come?

It wasn’t Jack Ross’ fault when the signings were pish, In fact I’ve lost count of the amount of times I read that Jack Ross was let down. I’m not quite sure it’s fair to put all the failures in recruitment on Maloney whilst absolving Ross of the same blame in the summer.

I don’t think Rocky is all that exciting either but he’s been a mainstay in a defence that generally speaking seems to have improved since Maloney arrived.

[GreenCastle]

Not for me. Two of the players Maloney was very keen to bring in were Rocky and Henderson. Being kind, neither are good enough, even Jasper who has potential is hit or miss. I have zero confidence in him to bring in the right players if heavily backed. Add in the fact two of the players he seems to rate highly are Drey Wright and Josh Campbell.

Yup - quite a few red flags in a short space of time.

Lightweight flair players can only do so well in the Scottish league - you need energy / robustness and experience around them.

Another Hibs.net myth is Maloney losing Boyle is a surprise - again if he actually did his homework on Hibs he would have known that this was a high possibility. Of course Boyle left a massive hole - but we were lucky we even got Jasper as that was the final hours of the window otherwise we would be in a worse position.

I don’t trust the structure - mainly recruitment and manager set up at the club.

Hearts brought in Joe Savage and no co-incidence one good window and someone who has contacts and understands what’s needed has made them a better team. We went the opposite way since summer and it’s destroying us.

[jeffers]

Why is it now Maloneys fault the signings are pish? It wasn’t Jack Ross’ fault when the signings were pish? In fact I’ve lost count of the amount of times I read that Jack Ross was let down.

Because he was keen to bring them in. He’s also been clear that he has the final say on who comes in. Maybe Maloney was also let down in other targets he wanted but we failed to sign, but that is pure speculation on my part. I don’t think it’s speculation that Ross was let down with no centre back and the McGrath cock up though.

[J-C]

What about moaning about the recruitment ?

I don’t think the players have given up - I just don’t think they are very good.

But then you could say the manager needs to adapt and stop trying to be too clever and just play a formation that is simple and football that is effective not trying to be Man City / Liverpool / Belgium.

We all moaned about recruitment and the 2 guys responsible Mathis and Ross have gone, January was a patch up job with loans

You do realise Man C and Liverpool both play 433 systems and not 343.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Yup - quite a few red flags in a short space of time.

Lightweight flair players can only do so well in the Scottish league - you need energy / robustness and experience around them.

Another Hibs.net myth is Maloney losing Boyle is a surprise - again if he actually did his homework on Hibs he would have known that this was a high possibility. Of course Boyle left a massive hole - but we were lucky we even got Jasper as that was the final hours of the window otherwise we would be in a worse position.

I don’t trust the structure - mainly recruitment and manager set up at the club.

Hearts brought in Joe Savage and no co-incidence one good window and someone who has contacts and understands what’s needed has made them a better team. We went the opposite way since summer and it’s destroying us.

I don’t think anybody is claiming it was a surprise. Just that it made Maloneys job incredibly difficult.

He inherited a team which pretty much solely relied on one player and then that one player was sold. Even with that one player we were absolutely sinking before Maloney took over. To fix that in a January window is nigh on impossible but there was significantly better players available than the ones we ended up leaving Maloney with imo.

[GreenCastle]

How about Hanlon bring bullied, JDH not tackling leading up to the goal, not tracking the player for the 2nd goal, not closing down on the edge of the box for the 3rd. Then there's bombs are Rocky who can't judge a ball in mid air, or pass. How about standard passing the ball or closing people down, all basics of football which they haven't been doing for a good long while. We have bang average to poor players and the two runs under Ross and Maloney just proves that.

The knives have been out for Maloney from the beginning, many were upset when Ross got emptied and no matter who took over they were up against it, more so because he's a rookie.

Every new manager will always get compared to the previous person. We found ourselves in a pretty unique situation sacking Ross as the support wasn’t 100% behind it and many shocked with the timing but there was definitely a majority not happy.

I would say majority again are not happy with Maloney and although I hate the comparisons but like Cathro keeping his assistant role at Wolves he could probably still save his career going back to Belgium pre World Cup or similar as an assistant and then give management another shot in a few years with more experience behind him.

A new manager at Hibs has to know what they are getting themselves into. There is pressure - it’s a big club - it’s fine margins but finishing bottom 6 behind Ross County..Motherwell and Dundee Utd - not to mention rivals Hearts isn’t acceptable. Currently sitting on equal points with Livingston also.

He needs a win this weekend for his own career let alone his Hibs job - it’s not impossible but even Jack Ross managed to get that semi win against the Huns then followed up losing to Ross County away - if we won that game we could be sitting top 6 now.

[SlickShoes]

Yes but his record in that time is absolutely honking. Any other team would have got rid by now. 15 league games and only 15 points out of a possible 45 if I've done the numbers correctly.

Not really true, other teams keep managers and give them time to turn it around, two managers people constantly bring up here, Martindale and Malky Mackay, would have been sacked at hibs for their respective runs earlier in the season they went through.

Hibs know that Maloney is a risk and that he is going to make mistakes and need time to turn things around, we are basically just as bad as when he took over, nothing has changed, but sacking him seems ultimately pointless. How long do you give a manager to turn it around? If we are implementing a whole new system but then sack the whole team doing it, how long do you give the next guy to clear it out and bring in his own? another 4 months then sack him too?

[GreenCastle]

We all moaned about recruitment and the 2 guys responsible Mathis and Ross have gone, January was a patch up job with loans

You do realise Man C and Liverpool both play 433 systems and not 343.

But we still have an issue as Ron’s son isn’t the guy to get us recruiting good players. I didn’t have much issue at the time but it’s evident we haven’t had a good January window and summer window.

If Maloney does go I worry about summer recruitment too unless a new manager is a very strong character which I’m not sure Hibs would select.

I realise City and Liverpool play 4-3-3 mostly - I didn’t mention formations - there isn’t much difference with that and our 3-4-3. My point being build up phases and the way the players rotate. The level of player we have simply isn’t good enough for how he wants us to look / play.

[Since90+2]

We all moaned about recruitment and the 2 guys responsible Mathis and Ross have gone, January was a patch up job with loans

You do realise Man C and Liverpool both play 433 systems and not 343.

I honestly don't get why people keep mentioning Liverpool and Man City in relation to Hibs / Maloney. What formation they play is totally irrelevant.

Hibs are literally closer in ability to Cove Rangers and Montrose than we are to either of those sides, but we are not comparing formations with them.

[overdrive]

This is where I’m at.

Lose on Saturday and the season is over. We can then start focusing on getting rid of some of the dross and recruiting.

If Gordon wants Maloney to be a success then he must be heavily backed. He was taken out at the knees within a couple of weeks of getting the job when our one man team was sold. We’ve got plenty money in the bank from Boyle. Get it spent on some real quality and we’ll then start to see what Maloney is made of. No more 19 year olds, no more Henderson’s or James Scott’s. Real proven quality.

Worryingly, our season isn’t over if we get beat on Saturday. There’s a very real risk of being drawn into the play-off spot, though hopefully that hammering StJohnstone took at the weekend will have dented their confidence. That’s where we are as a club and that’s down to the Gordons, Kensell and Maloney.

[J-C]

But we still have an issue as Ron’s son isn’t the guy to get us recruiting good players. I didn’t have much issue at the time but it’s evident we haven’t had a good January window and summer window.

If Maloney does go I worry about summer recruitment too unless a new manager is a very strong character which I’m not sure Hibs would select.

I realise City and Liverpool play 4-3-3 mostly - I didn’t mention formations - there isn’t much difference with that and our 3-4-3. My point being build up phases and the way the players rotate. The level of player we have simply isn’t good enough for how he wants us to look / play.

He's asking them to keep hold of the ball and pass to a colleague, pretty basic stuff I'd say.

[ozwoody]

I was one of Maloneys defenders in the early days, but it seems like I was wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I believe he will be a good coach in the future, but probably not a manager.

His ideas are correct, but he's been used to teams that are more technical based than a mid level scottish team.He is basically trying to reinvent the wheel with players that haven't been brought up in that environment during their youth development.
Our recruitment was awful and injuries haven't helped either him, or the team in general.

If we get beat on Saturday, I will be surprised if he's here on Monday

[Skol]

So its the back of 10 on Monday and no announcement so far.

That means Maloney will be taking the team on Saturday. So all gnashing of teeth (including me) needs to stop and get behind Maloney and whichever team he selects.

We look at the positives (and there have been some) and expect that we galvanise as a squad and build on those to deliver a famous victory and a platform upon which we can quickly remove the spectre of relegation and then a positive next season

[GreenCastle]

He's asking them to keep hold of the ball and pass to a colleague, pretty basic stuff I'd say.

The keeping of the ball isn’t the issue - it’s the next part of passing forward and creating space / beating a player 1v1 and creating an opportunity or a goal.

As basic as football is I feel he’s either over complicating it or the players aren’t ever going to be able to do it as they aren’t good enough = back to recruitment and the mess we find ourselves in. There is no joined up thinking about what we want to do and those trying to make it happen.

[Ozyhibby]

So its the back of 10 on Monday and no announcement so far.

That means Maloney will be taking the team on Saturday. So all gnashing of teeth (including me) needs to stop and get behind Maloney and whichever team he selects.

We look at the positives (and there have been some) and expect that we galvanise as a squad and build on those to deliver a famous victory and a platform upon which we can quickly remove the spectre of relegation and then a positive next season

I’ll be going along at the weekend but not looking forward to it. There will be no excitement in the build up. Really just going out of a sense of duty. Grim.


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[Green Blood]

Football is a results game and any sensible manager will adapt different strategies and styles to win, after all that’s what it is all about. Maloney sadly is a one trick pony and has an idealistic attitude towards how he wants the game played. It’s crazy to even think that he was employed in the first place as I am sure he would have stated at his interview his idea on how football should be played. Alarm bells should have been ringing then.

He is not going to change his views on how we should play and he should be punted immediately, no point in hanging on unless of course the board want to tap someone up and have them ready to take the job on as soon as Maloney is sacked.

Maloney is a dreamer, theorist type character and has no substance and in my opinion too arrogant and ignorant to change as he see’s that as a sign of weakness.

What Hibs need right now is a manager with a winning mentality, someone who has experience and a good track record. I don’t care what type of football we play, as long as we win. It’s always a risk when a new manager steps in but if we do it right than no reason we can’t be successful again.

[GreenCastle]

So its the back of 10 on Monday and no announcement so far.

That means Maloney will be taking the team on Saturday. So all gnashing of teeth (including me) needs to stop and get behind Maloney and whichever team he selects.

We look at the positives (and there have been some) and expect that we galvanise as a squad and build on those to deliver a famous victory and a platform upon which we can quickly remove the spectre of relegation and then a positive next season

What are the positives ? (asking for a friend)

[GRA]

So its the back of 10 on Monday and no announcement so far.

That means Maloney will be taking the team on Saturday. So all gnashing of teeth (including me) needs to stop and get behind Maloney and whichever team he selects.

We look at the positives (and there have been some) and expect that we galvanise as a squad and build on those to deliver a famous victory and a platform upon which we can quickly remove the spectre of relegation and then a positive next season

:top marks

Last Saturday is gone now. From now on, right behind the team 100%, if we have a weak 2nd half capitulation again we can lambast them, until then let's roar them on and try get to our 2nd final this season!

[Skol]

I’ll be going along at the weekend but not looking forward to it. There will be no excitement in the build up. Really just going out of a sense of duty. Grim.


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Thats a bit how I felt going to Tynie when Shiels and O'Connor scored in a famous 2-1 victory. I am sure we had lost meekly at Hampden on the saturday and Simon Brown then conceded an embarrasing goal and I wondered why I had bothered.

Lets hope we have that kind of outcome

[Skol]

What are the positives ? (asking for a friend)

I thought we started the game well and on the front foot and we were putting pressure on the ball and for a while looked like the winning team. Hard as it is to say, Drey Wright also looked like a positive until he went off injured.

Appreciate I am struggling beyond that. maybe Harry Clarke if we paly him in the right position.

[GreenCastle]

I thought we started the game well and on the front foot and we were putting pressure on the ball and for a while looked like the winning team. Hard as it is to say, Drey Wright also looked like a positive until he went off injured.

Appreciate I am struggling beyond that. maybe Harry Clarke if we paly him in the right position.

It was a derby - the least you would expect us to do is try start on front foot.

I do agree we did well first 20 mins but I’m talking in general with Maloney. I’ve asked the question several times for the folk who say he needs time.

What are the positives so far ? which players have improved ?

[Paulie Walnuts]

It was a derby - the least you would expect us to do is try start on front foot.

I do agree we did well first 20 mins but I’m talking in general with Maloney. I’ve asked the question several times for the folk who say he needs time.

What are the positives so far ? which players have improved ?

We’ve improved defensively (or at least we had up until yesterday, not sure whether that’ll have changed that or not).

[GreenCastle]

We’ve improved defensively (or at least we had up until yesterday, not sure whether that’ll have changed that or not).

We have lost 8 goals in last 4 games - not sure if you watched the games against Aberdeen / Dundee Utd / Hearts game or Motherwell.

[Skol]

It was a derby - the least you would expect us to do is try start on front foot.

I do agree we did well first 20 mins but I’m talking in general with Maloney. I’ve asked the question several times for the folk who say he needs time.

What are the positives so far ? which players have improved ?

We have spent most of my Hibs supporting years on the back foot in derbies. That is a club thing and not down to Maloney

The first two games also showed positive signs as did the draws v Hearts and celtic albeit there is clearly something lacking up front.

[Paulie Walnuts]

We have lost 8 goals in last 4 goals - not sure if you watched the games against Aberdeen / Dundee Utd / Hearts game or Motherwell.

Yup. We’ve improved overall since Maloney came in defensively though, regardless of the run we’re on.

[JimBHibees]

He's asking them to keep hold of the ball and pass to a colleague, pretty basic stuff I'd say.

Yes it is not rocket science :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

Football is a results game and any sensible manager will adapt different strategies and styles to win, after all that’s what it is all about. Maloney sadly is a one trick pony and has an idealistic attitude towards how he wants the game played. It’s crazy to even think that he was employed in the first place as I am sure he would have stated at his interview his idea on how football should be played. Alarm bells should have been ringing then.

He is not going to change his views on how we should play and he should be punted immediately, no point in hanging on unless of course the board want to tap someone up and have them ready to take the job on as soon as Maloney is sacked.

Maloney is a dreamer, theorist type character and has no substance and in my opinion too arrogant and ignorant to change as he see’s that as a sign of weakness.

What Hibs need right now is a manager with a winning mentality, someone who has experience and a good track record. I don’t care what type of football we play, as long as we win. It’s always a risk when a new manager steps in but if we do it right than no reason we can’t be successful again.

He is a guy trying his best to do a difficult job with a limited number of players with virtually no striker and a number of key injuries and suspension affecting selection. Should be given time. First half performance was decent on Saturday then we give away two awful goals.

[JimBHibees]

It was a derby - the least you would expect us to do is try start on front foot.

I do agree we did well first 20 mins but I’m talking in general with Maloney. I’ve asked the question several times for the folk who say he needs time.

What are the positives so far ? which players have improved ?

Doig Porto Jasper Newell Cadden have all been good imo.

[hibsquaker]

Football is a results game and any sensible manager will adapt different strategies and styles to win, after all that’s what it is all about. Maloney sadly is a one trick pony and has an idealistic attitude towards how he wants the game played. It’s crazy to even think that he was employed in the first place as I am sure he would have stated at his interview his idea on how football should be played. Alarm bells should have been ringing then.

He is not going to change his views on how we should play and he should be punted immediately, no point in hanging on unless of course the board want to tap someone up and have them ready to take the job on as soon as Maloney is sacked.

Maloney is a dreamer, theorist type character and has no substance and in my opinion too arrogant and ignorant to change as he see’s that as a sign of weakness.

What Hibs need right now is a manager with a winning mentality, someone who has experience and a good track record. I don’t care what type of football we play, as long as we win. It’s always a risk when a new manager steps in but if we do it right than no reason we can’t be successful again.

Absolutely this.

[B.H.F.C]

He is a guy trying his best to do a difficult job with a limited number of players with virtually no striker and a number of key injuries and suspension affecting selection. Should be given time. First half performance was decent on Saturday then we give away two awful goals.

He just keeps doing the same thing over and over though.

Chuck in some of the odd decisions. Are we getting the best from Doig playing him in a back three? Are we going to get the best from Clarke playing (needlessly) out of position? Bringing Campbell on out of position (he’s shouldn’t even be bringing him on in his position).

He needs to earn time and the only way he can do that now is by winning on Saturday.

[McGruber]

Not really true, other teams keep managers and give them time to turn it around, two managers people constantly bring up here, Martindale and Malky Mackay, would have been sacked at hibs for their respective runs earlier in the season they went through.

Hibs know that Maloney is a risk and that he is going to make mistakes and need time to turn things around, we are basically just as bad as when he took over, nothing has changed, but sacking him seems ultimately pointless. How long do you give a manager to turn it around? If we are implementing a whole new system but then sack the whole team doing it, how long do you give the next guy to clear it out and bring in his own? another 4 months then sack him too?

I know what you mean but we are not as bad as when he took over, we are worse. We are going backwards.

He will make mistakes yes, but what grates is him repeating the same mistakes over and over and not learning.

[Since452]

We were giving ourselves a pat on the back for trying really hard and drawing 0-0 with Hearts at ER a while ago despite barely laying a glove on them. That's how far we've fallen. The warning signs have been there for months and he's actually been lucky that the injuries have masked his failings. It's bought him more time. He should be gone by now. Dragging it on is just delaying the inevitabe. I don't care that we played some OK stuff against Dundee United at home. We didn't win. They just drew with Dundee. We need to get someone in who's going to kick a few ***** and drag what they can out of these underachievers. I don't think Maloney even applied for the job. He was sounded out. I'd love to have seen the list of applicants. One of the biggest jobs in Scottish football, a team who had just been in Europe with a real chance of getting there again. We would have attracted a lot of interest. Some genius at the club thought the guy putting out cones for Belgium was the best option. Worrying. And bringing in Caldwell as a number two? Dont get ne started. Put your money where your mouth is Ron and give us a proper manager we can all get behind. We need a statement of intent. Sorry about the rant but i'd rather get my frustrations out here than elsewhere. I'm livid at the state we're in.

[SlickShoes]

I know what you mean but we are not as bad as when he took over, we are worse. We are going backwards.

He will make mistakes yes, but what grates is him repeating the same mistakes over and over and not learning.

I think we are the exact same minus Martin Boyle, who in our price range in a January window is irreplaceable. We were murder before Maloney came in outside of the Rangers game, which may as well be the Martin Boyle game.

We haven't really had a chance to regroup and put something together due to injuries and suspensions, it's just the longer it goes on the worse it feels.

[Skol]

Doig Porto Jasper Newell Cadden have all been good imo.

Motherwell game aside, what has Jasper delivered ?

[GreenCastle]

Doig Porto Jasper Newell Cadden have all been good imo.

Playing good / fine is one thing but actually taking making a real difference - for example Porto in the home derby.

Doig - how many assists ?

Porto - been suspended for several games. I do believe he’s stepped up and played better without Hanlon.

Jasper - goals ? Assists x2 I think ?

Newell - not convinced he’s done enough.

Cadden - actually looks less threatening as he was being played deeper.

[GreenCastle]

We have spent most of my Hibs supporting years on the back foot in derbies. That is a club thing and not down to Maloney

The first two games also showed positive signs as did the draws v Hearts and celtic albeit there is clearly something lacking up front.

Sorry I’m looking forward and don’t care about the past Hibs weak mentality in derbies and league games - especially after 2016 cup final win put that to bed.

Resources are better now than ever.

The club thing if it even is a thing needs sorted otherwise we keep losing important games / derbies.

The 1st two games 100% we were improved. The derbies - the Hibs keepers were voted man of the match in both games.

Celtic - we did fine considering what we were up against.

The weak central midfield and lack of quality up top (Melkersen can’t do it on own) has been an issue for over 1 year.

[McGruber]

I think we are the exact same minus Martin Boyle, who in our price range in a January window is irreplaceable. We were murder before Maloney came in outside of the Rangers game, which may as well be the Martin Boyle game.

We haven't really had a chance to regroup and put something together due to injuries and suspensions, it's just the longer it goes on the worse it feels.

You might be right but I'm not convinced. I never felt we were a relegation concern under Ross at any time - with or without Boyle. I feel we are now though probably have enough points on the board to survive. Good job becasue we are sinking faster than every club bar Dundee.

No doubt injuries have played a part, no denying that. We have been extremely unlucky this season. That scenario needed alleviated in Jan in the window and that hasn't went well.

[thebausburst]

Not really true, other teams keep managers and give them time to turn it around, two managers people constantly bring up here, Martindale and Malky Mackay, would have been sacked at hibs for their respective runs earlier in the season they went through.

Hibs know that Maloney is a risk and that he is going to make mistakes and need time to turn things around, we are basically just as bad as when he took over, nothing has changed, but sacking him seems ultimately pointless. How long do you give a manager to turn it around? If we are implementing a whole new system but then sack the whole team doing it, how long do you give the next guy to clear it out and bring in his own? another 4 months then sack him too?

What you expect to see is progress, what you expect to see are more positive results and performances, he’s had 1 window and brought in a hatfull of players yet we are worse than we were pre window, that’s the problem and why we may be better cutting our losses now than allowing him another window before pulling the trigger.

[B.H.F.C]

Playing good / fine is one thing but actually taking making a real difference - for example Porto in the home derby.

Doig - how many assists ?

Porto - been suspended for several games. I do believe he’s stepped up and played better without Hanlon.

Jasper - goals ? Assists x2 I think ?

Newell - not convinced he’s done enough.

Cadden - actually looks less threatening as he was being played deeper.

Made this point on another thread. When Kingsley scored on Saturday, they said over the tannoy it was his sixth of the season. We have loads of players who apparently play nice football, but none of them contribute very much to the most important part. You need goals throughout the team, we don’t and it kills us.

[Springbank]

Football is a results game and any sensible manager will adapt different strategies and styles to win, after all that’s what it is all about. Maloney sadly is a one trick pony and has an idealistic attitude towards how he wants the game played. It’s crazy to even think that he was employed in the first place as I am sure he would have stated at his interview his idea on how football should be played. Alarm bells should have been ringing then.

He is not going to change his views on how we should play and he should be punted immediately, no point in hanging on unless of course the board want to tap someone up and have them ready to take the job on as soon as Maloney is sacked.

Maloney is a dreamer, theorist type character and has no substance and in my opinion too arrogant and ignorant to change as he see’s that as a sign of weakness.

What Hibs need right now is a manager with a winning mentality, someone who has experience and a good track record. I don’t care what type of football we play, as long as we win. It’s always a risk when a new manager steps in but if we do it right than no reason we can’t be successful again.

Agree wholeheartedly with this

Fwiw Saturday coming is a game for the ugliest midfield battle you ever saw, make it turgid, have an outball to (ie Scott Allan) and ask Allan and Melkerson (or Jasper) to hit on the break.

I'd layer up on effort in the midfield (ie not Jake Doyle Hayes)
I'd have Clarke, Stevenson and Newell in there
I'd be putting Hanlon, Mueller and JDH on the bench at most
I'd be playing Josh Doig on the left, not in the centre, and I wouldn't expose Campbell to this game at all

So I'd be going with
* Either goalie
* Cadden Porteous Rocky Doig
* Stevenson Clarke (as all-action disruptors / ball winners)
* Newell Allan Hauge
* Melkerson

And I'd be saying work yer socks off.

But what I would not do is play the same as I have done before - if Maloney does that then he's not clever, in fact he's just making a week's preparation very easy indeed for his opponent.

[GreenCastle]

Made this point on another thread. When Kingsley scored on Saturday, they said over the tannoy it was his sixth of the season. We have loads of players who apparently play nice football, but none of them contribute very much to the most important part. You need goals throughout the team, we don’t and it kills us.

For all that Mallan gave us - least he assisted and goals - he would walk into this team. At the time he was thought not to be good enough for Hibs.

This list tells it all with the current players we have - no wonder Hearts didn't panic when they went 1-0.

Goal scorers and assists...

Cadden according to that list has 2 goals....
Josh Campbell has our most assists also ???

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/hibernian/top-scorers

[Skol]

Agree wholeheartedly with this

Fwiw Saturday coming is a game for the ugliest midfield battle you ever saw, make it turgid, have an outball to (ie Scott Allan) and ask Allan and Melkerson (or Jasper) to hit on the break.

I'd layer up on effort in the midfield (ie not Jake Doyle Hayes)
I'd have Clarke, Stevenson and Newell in there
I'd be putting Hanlon, Mueller and JDH on the bench at most
I'd be playing Josh Doig on the left, not in the centre, and I wouldn't expose Campbell to this game at all

So I'd be going with
* Either goalie
* Cadden Porteous Rocky Doig
* Stevenson Clarke (as all-action disruptors / ball winners)
* Newell Allan Hauge
* Melkerson

And I'd be saying work yer socks off.

But what I would not do is play the same as I have done before - if Maloney does that then he's not clever, in fact he's just making a week's preparation very easy indeed for his opponent.

You are right about a different approach being required.

I cannot agree that Bushiri plays over Hanlon though. Also we havent seen enough of Hauge to assess if he is ready or not, but it may be worth a try as Jasper and Henderson are not.

I would love Allan to play and star, but we have to bear in mind he is not that player he was.

[LaMotta]

For all that Mallan gave us - least he assisted and goals - he would walk into this team. At the time he was thought not to be good enough for Hibs.

This list tells it all with the current players we have - no wonder Hearts didn't panic when they went 1-0.

Goal scorers and assists...

Cadden according to that list has 2 goals....
Josh Campbell has our most assists also ???

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/hibernian/top-scorers

The man with the most assists this season STILL is Scott Allan and he has been warming the bench since Maloney got here whilst we have struggled beyond belief at trying to break teams down and score goals.:cb

[Hibernian Verse]

For all that Mallan gave us - least he assisted and goals - he would walk into this team. At the time he was thought not to be good enough for Hibs.

This list tells it all with the current players we have - no wonder Hearts didn't panic when they went 1-0.

Goal scorers and assists...

Cadden according to that list has 2 goals....
Josh Campbell has our most assists also ???

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/hibernian/top-scorers

What I would have given on Saturday for the Horgan-Mallan-Kamberi triangle at Tynie once more...

[DIXIHIBS]

Agree wholeheartedly with this

Fwiw Saturday coming is a game for the ugliest midfield battle you ever saw, make it turgid, have an outball to (ie Scott Allan) and ask Allan and Melkerson (or Jasper) to hit on the break.

I'd layer up on effort in the midfield (ie not Jake Doyle Hayes)
I'd have Clarke, Stevenson and Newell in there
I'd be putting Hanlon, Mueller and JDH on the bench at most
I'd be playing Josh Doig on the left, not in the centre, and I wouldn't expose Campbell to this game at all

So I'd be going with
* Either goalie
* Cadden Porteous Rocky Doig
* Stevenson Clarke (as all-action disruptors / ball winners)
* Newell Allan Hauge
* Melkerson

And I'd be saying work yer socks off.

But what I would not do is play the same as I have done before - if Maloney does that then he's not clever, in fact he's just making a week's preparation very easy indeed for his opponent.

Rocky is a nitemare, Allan way off the pace now and Hauge barely kicked a ball for us. If maloney went with that team and we got skelped, he would get hammered for it.

[BoomtownHibees]

Rocky is a nitemare, Allan way off the pace now and Hauge barely kicked a ball for us. If maloney went with that team and we got skelped, he would get hammered for it.

Worth a try tho eh? (Apart from Rocky). Like, something a wee bit different to just doing the same thing over and over and getting the same outcome

[blackpoolhibs]

We can go on about systems or tactics, whether is 4-4-2, 3-5-2 or any other system we can name, Maloney is not reinventing the wheel here, its a bloody football match, where the aim is to score more than the opposition.

Under his systems and tactics, it's clearly not happening whatever he plays, and the players he's brought in are generally all weak, and he's creating his own boy band at the club.

I wouldnt trust him with another penny in the summer, get rid and lets start again with someone who's got some sort of idea how to score goals and win football games.

[J-C]

He just keeps doing the same thing over and over though.

Chuck in some of the odd decisions. Are we getting the best from Doig playing him in a back three? Are we going to get the best from Clarke playing (needlessly) out of position? Bringing Campbell on out of position (he’s shouldn’t even be bringing him on in his position).

He needs to earn time and the only way he can do that now is by winning on Saturday.


Ross's Hibs versus St Johnstone, keep doing the same thing over and over again, yet he was given time until he went on that horrendous run which led to him being sacked.

[B.H.F.C]

Ross's Hibs versus St Johnstone, keep doing the same thing over and over again, yet he was given time until he went on that horrendous run which led to him being sacked.

Aye but he was winning games against other teams at the time. Now, we’re hardly winning full stop.

[Greenbeard]

The keeping of the ball isn’t the issue - it’s the next part of passing forward and creating space / beating a player 1v1 and creating an opportunity or a goal.

As basic as football is I feel he’s either over complicating it or the players aren’t ever going to be able to do it as they aren’t good enough = back to recruitment and the mess we find ourselves in. There is no joined up thinking about what we want to do and those trying to make it happen.
I lost count of the number of times on Saturday a Hibs player was in possession facing forwards but with zero options ahead of him and no-one making any sort of move to create an option.
Lose on Saturday and the best move would be to get someone in for the 5 post-split fixtures to properly assess the squad before summer clear-out/signings. But who would be available at this moment in time? Very few.

[blackpoolhibs]

Ross's Hibs versus St Johnstone, keep doing the same thing over and over again, yet he was given time until he went on that horrendous run which led to him being sacked.

Ross got us to semis and finals, he got us 3rd place, he had credit in the bank. If we'd kept him, i think we'd be top 6 at least, and still fighting for a European place.

I'm pretty sure he'd have strengthened us a lot better than the current man certainly did in January, and not brought in players as weak as we did do.

Maloney said it's men v boys, he brought 6 kids to the club in January, what did he expect it to be?

[ehf]

So I'd be going with
* Either goalie
* Cadden Porteous Rocky Doig
* Stevenson Clarke (as all-action disruptors / ball winners)
* Newell Allan Hauge
* Melkerson

And I'd be saying work yer socks off.



That lot would get dragged all over the shop. We could probably have put out a side just about capable of competing if we'd held on to Hallberg, Gogic and Murphy.

[Centre Hawf]

The man with the most assists this season STILL is Scott Allan and he has been warming the bench since Maloney got here whilst we have struggled beyond belief at trying to break teams down and score goals.:cb

I want Scott Allan to be the player he was so badly, but it's pretty much over for him. Both Ross and Maloney have barely touched him and at this point in time it feels more like everyone agrees he's finished and it's no longer just about what the manager at the time thinks.

[J-C]

We can go on about systems or tactics, whether is 4-4-2, 3-5-2 or any other system we can name, Maloney is not reinventing the wheel here, its a bloody football match, where the aim is to score more than the opposition.

Under his systems and tactics, it's clearly not happening whatever he plays, and the players he's brought in are generally all weak, and he's creating his own boy band at the club.

I wouldnt trust him with another penny in the summer, get rid and lets start again with someone who's got some sort of idea how to score goals and win football games.


Ross's team scored 5 goals in 9 games prior to being sacked, 7 losses a, 1 win and 1 draw, not exactly attacking free flowing scoring football was it.

Maloney's last nine games 5 goals, 4 losses, 1 win and 4 draws.

The drop in form started about the same time we started to get the injuries with the squad being shown up for what it was, weak and thin.

[LaMotta]

I want Scott Allan to be the player he was so badly, but it's pretty much over for him. Both Ross and Maloney have barely touched him and at this point in time it feels more like everyone agrees he's finished and it's no longer just about what the manager at the time thinks.

Yes but I acknowledge he isnt the player he was. Everyone does, that point isn't up for debate.

Not everyone agrees he is finished though and the people that do say he is finished are ignoring outright facts about his performances this season in comparison to others. You have just done it off the back of my previous post. If Scott Allan ( who is our most effective contributor to goals available) is finished what does that say about others in the squad? He is only finished because Maloney and Caldwell aren't giving him game time.

Anyone who claims Allan is finished based on his performances hasn't been paying enough attention. Unfortunately Maloney is one of them. He's made a number of terrible judgements about our playing squad though which is partly why he will end up getting the sack.

[JimBHibees]

Agree wholeheartedly with this

Fwiw Saturday coming is a game for the ugliest midfield battle you ever saw, make it turgid, have an outball to (ie Scott Allan) and ask Allan and Melkerson (or Jasper) to hit on the break.

I'd layer up on effort in the midfield (ie not Jake Doyle Hayes)
I'd have Clarke, Stevenson and Newell in there
I'd be putting Hanlon, Mueller and JDH on the bench at most
I'd be playing Josh Doig on the left, not in the centre, and I wouldn't expose Campbell to this game at all

So I'd be going with
* Either goalie
* Cadden Porteous Rocky Doig
* Stevenson Clarke (as all-action disruptors / ball winners)
* Newell Allan Hauge
* Melkerson

And I'd be saying work yer socks off.

But what I would not do is play the same as I have done before - if Maloney does that then he's not clever, in fact he's just making a week's preparation very easy indeed for his opponent.

No way on earth I would be playing Rocky on Saturday thought he was Hearts best player.

[Since90+2]

I think we could get 20-25 minutes out of Allan, but that's all he could potentially need to turn a game.

The danger is I suppose if you bring him on at 70 minutes at 1-1 and the game goes to extra time he'll probably tire before the games over.

[J-C]

Ross got us to semis and finals, he got us 3rd place, he had credit in the bank. If we'd kept him, i think we'd be top 6 at least, and still fighting for a European place.

I'm pretty sure he'd have strengthened us a lot better than the current man certainly did in January, and not brought in players as weak as we did do.

Maloney said it's men v boys, he brought 6 kids to the club in January, what did he expect it to be?


Ah! the wonderful January window, I think we've had about 1 decent one when we got Flo, McLaren and Allan and were unlucky not to get 2nd but generally the January window is a bunch of loans who are brought in to patch things up until the summer and I think this is the case this time. I'll say it again three quarters of this squad are garbage and getting 3rd now looks like we were playing way above our actual capabilities. The poor summer just highlighted how poor this squad is and not getting in the 3-4 top players needed cost Mathie and eventually Ross their jobs.

[J-C]

Aye but he was winning games against other teams at the time. Now, we’re hardly winning full stop.


Although it was the same players who were winning also went on that bad run that lost Ross his job.

[LaMotta]

I think we could get 20-25 minutes out of Allan, but that's all he could potentially need to turn a game.

The danger is I suppose if you bring him on at 70 minutes at 1-1 and the game goes to extra time he'll probably tire before the games over.

What about the others in attacking positions? Jasper, Henderson, Melkersen - not one of them has the stamina to compete well for 90 mins.

Why not bring Allan on with 25 mins to go on Sat? We had only had one shot at goal, we were 2 goals down and we had created nothing. Even if he had done nothing then that's no different to anyone else on the pitch. At least we know he has it in his locker though - he has proved it numerous times this season.

[blackpoolhibs]

Ross's team scored 5 goals in 9 games prior to being sacked, 7 losses a, 1 win and 1 draw, not exactly attacking free flowing scoring football was it.

Maloney's last nine games 5 goals, 4 losses, 1 win and 4 draws.

The drop in form started about the same time we started to get the injuries with the squad being shown up for what it was, weak and thin.
Ross's team was on a bad run, his first bad run of his tenure. Hed shown previously that he could get results, he would have turned things round in my opinion.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Ross's team was on a bad run, his first bad run of his tenure. Hed shown previously that he could get results, he would have turned things round in my opinion.

It wasn’t his first bad run.

It was his first run as bad as that one, but he’d had more than one poor period of form over his tenure.

He also went 11 games winning 3, drawing 3 and losing 5 at one point. 1.09 PPG. Not all that much more impressive than Maloneys 1 PPG.

There was also numerous smaller runs of form than that as well. This idea Jack Ross never had a bad patch and got sacked at the first sign of one is nonsense. He got sacked at the first one as bad as the one he was on, but then that’ll most likely be the case with most sackings.

[Centre Hawf]

Yes but i acknowledge he isnt the player he was. Everyone does.

Not everyone agrees he is finished though and the people that do say he is finished are ignoring outright facts about his performances this season in comparison to others. You have just done it off the back of my previous post. If Scott Allan ( who is our most effective contributor to goals available) is finished what does that say about others in the squad? He is only finished because Maloney and Caldwell aren't giving him game time.

Anyone who claims Allan is finished based on his performances hasn't been paying enough attention.

Josh Campbell has the same assists than him in the league this season and people don't want him anywhere near the side. It's not like he's a run away standout statistically when he played, you also have to remember he's not played properly for probably 5 months now (I think he's played 120 minutes overall since the start of December.) The guys sharpness and fitness are probably nowhere near what it was in the first half of the season, to start him would probably be a huge mistake.

I would love to be wrong but I think everyone now needs to accept that Scott Allan's days at Hibs are over and we'll probably be lucky to say goodbye to him properly at the final game at Easter Road in the split.

[J-C]

Ross's team was on a bad run, his first bad run of his tenure. Hed shown previously that he could get results, he would have turned things round in my opinion.


I don't disagree with you there, I wasn't calling for him to go, wasn't fussed if he stayed or went but wasn't vocal about it, I felt he should've been given the January window to sort it out. I had heard through a mate of mine that Ross had fallen out with Gordon prior to all this, so maybe there was personal reasons why he was sacked when he was, who knows but it's water under the bridge now and we must get behind the new man. Remember I would think Ross was hired by Leeann as Gordon wouldn't have known who Ross was when he took over, so he wasn't his appointment, maybe therin lay the problem.

[mcfly]

Ross's team was on a bad run, his first bad run of his tenure. Hed shown previously that he could get results, he would have turned things round in my opinion.

All about opinions

Mine is the football under jack Ross was dire and just as bad under maloney.

Recruitment has been awful and fans have been let down again - even buying season tickets in their thousands when they couldn’t even attend matches.

Time for the club, manager and players to step up and repay that loyalty.

Regardless of result huge clearout is needed as the players aren’t good enough. Weak in their play and weak in their mindset.

[SickBoy32]

Ross's team scored 5 goals in 9 games prior to being sacked, 7 losses a, 1 win and 1 draw, not exactly attacking free flowing scoring football was it.

Maloney's last nine games 5 goals, 4 losses, 1 win and 4 draws.

The drop in form started about the same time we started to get the injuries with the squad being shown up for what it was, weak and thin.

If we look at a slightly fairer sample size to compare, rather than just honing in on JR's worst run of form, then the picture quickly changes.

SM has been here for 15 league games, returning 15 points.

JR last 15 league games got us 23 pts, albeit 2 of those games were at the end of last season - and this points return includes the really poor run at the end of his spell.

For SM to have come into a squad which only last season was the 3rd top scorers, 3rd best defence in the league and come up with a record worse than Butcher is actually beyond belief.

One game to save his job - the ST sales (or lack of) will see to that

[LaMotta]

Josh Campbell has the same assists than him in the league this season and people don't want him anywhere near the side. It's not like he's a run away standout statistically when he played, you also have to remember he's not played properly for probably 5 months now (I think he's played 120 minutes overall since the start of December.) The guys sharpness and fitness are probably nowhere near what it was in the first half of the season, to start him would probably be a huge mistake.

I would love to be wrong but I think everyone now needs to accept that Scott Allan's days at Hibs are over and we'll probably be lucky to say goodbye to him properly at the final game at Easter Road in the split.

Add in the League Cup and Allan has 2 more assists than Campbell. Campbell also has 3 times as many minutes on the pitch.

He hasn't played properly since December because Maloney got appointed in December. Ross didnt use him all the time but certainly used him enough to get creativity out of him. One league win in 13 for Maloney persisting with the dross he has, including a run of games where failed to score in 7 out of 9.

Allan should go when his contract is up, but until then I will never accept his time should be up when we have such brutal options getting minutes ahead of him.

[ozwoody]

Ross's team was on a bad run, his first bad run of his tenure. Hed shown previously that he could get results, he would have turned things round in my opinion.

What happened in past was irrelevant , it was what happened over those 9 games and the run the team was on.to look to future we can't compare to past. What indications was he showing he could hypothetically turn it around?
Ross didn't have the injuries/suspensions maloney has had, plus he had Boyle, yet still couldn't address the poor performances

[Paulie Walnuts]

If we look at a slightly fairer sample size to compare, rather than just honing in on JR's worst run of form, then the picture quickly changes.

SM has been here for 15 league games, returning 15 points.

JR last 15 league games got us 23 pts, albeit 2 of those games were at the end of last season - and this points return includes the really poor run at the end of his spell.

For SM to have come into a squad which only last season was the 3rd top scorers, 3rd best defence in the league and come up with a record worse than Butcher is actually beyond belief.

One game to save his job - the ST sales (or lack of) will see to that

Is it not even more beyond belief that the same manager that took HIS squad to third then managed to go on a very similar run to that of Maloneys with his own players?

Carrying on the good work JR done last season was a much easier task for JR (with Boyle) than turning around the mess inherited (without Boyle) is for Maloney.

[Centre Hawf]

Add in the League Cup and Allan has 2 more assists than Campbell. Campbell also has 3 times as many minutes on the pitch.

He hasn't played properly since December because Maloney got appointed in December. Ross didnt use him all the time but ceratinly used him enough to get creativity out of him. One league win in 13 for Maloney persisting with the dross he has, including a run of games where failed to score in 7 out of 9.

Allan should go when his contract is up, but until then I will never accept his time should be up when we have such brutal options getting minutes ahead of him.

We'll probably need to agree to disagree on it as I have a feeling his health condition is still playing a major role in his lack of minutes. But I do share your wish for it not to be the case and he proves me wrong as on his day (even in a few appearances this season) he can be a joy to watch.

[LaMotta]

We'll probably need to agree to disagree on it as I have a feeling his health condition is still playing a major role in his lack of minutes. But I do share your wish for it not to be the case and he proves me wrong as on his day (even in a few appearances this season) he can be a joy to watch.

:aok: fair enough mate

[Skol]

Ross's Hibs versus St Johnstone, keep doing the same thing over and over again, yet he was given time until he went on that horrendous run which led to him being sacked.

Pretty sure a Ross team wont away at St Johnstone this season

[blackpoolhibs]

It wasn’t his first bad run.

It was his first run as bad as that one, but he’d had more than one poor period of form over his tenure.

He also went 11 games winning 3, drawing 3 and losing 5 at one point. 1.09 PPG. Not all that much more impressive than Maloneys 1 PPG.

There was also numerous smaller runs of form than that as well. This idea Jack Ross never had a bad patch and got sacked at the first sign of one is nonsense. He got sacked at the first one as bad as the one he was on, but then that’ll most likely be the case with most sackings.

I would kill for 3 wins 3 draws and 5 defeats now. Hibs will always have numerous runs where we dont win all the time, but we still kept picking up points, now we just hardly score and hardly win.

I kept saying it at the time, but we dont appreciate the good times when they are there, we always want more.

Thats not a bad thing, but we do need to appreciate what we did to get those good results, and stay calm when things dont go so well for a while.

That does not happen now, its get rid, sack the idiot, bring in anyone just someone who's not Ross and things will be better.

That went well, and now we will surely sack another manager and appoing the next victim soon.

[blackpoolhibs]

What happened in past was irrelevant , it was what happened over those 9 games and the run the team was on.to look to future we can't compare to past. What indications was he showing he could hypothetically turn it around?
Ross didn't have the injuries/suspensions maloney has had, plus he had Boyle, yet still couldn't address the poor performances

Ross did have injuries to contend with, Doidge was out long term, after being in good form, we had one centre forward, numerous other injuries too.

In fact if you read the threads on here at the start of the season after our good start, there were many threads talking about our bad injuries and how it hampered his teams and his selections.

And remember, he did not have the luxury of spending what Maloney did on 7 players in January, although i doubt Ross would have spent it all in forming a new boy band for us.

[Skol]

I would kill for 3 wins 3 draws and 5 defeats now. Hibs will always have numerous runs where we dont win all the time, but we still kept picking up points, now we just hardly score and hardly win.

I kept saying it at the time, but we dont appreciate the good times when they are there, we always want more.

Thats not a bad thing, but we do need to appreciate what we did to get those good results, and stay calm when things dont go so well for a while.

That does not happen now, its get rid, sack the idiot, bring in anyone just someone who's not Ross and things will be better.

That went well, and now we will surely sack another manager and appoing the next victim soon.

And the annoying thing is that when pointing this out you would have been accused of accepting mediocrity and not wanting better.

I would bite you hand of for the mediocrity of 3rd place and a cup final right now !!

[Since452]

Ross did have injuries to contend with, Doidge was out long term, after being in good form, we had one centre forward, numerous other injuries too.

In fact if you read the threads on here at the start of the season after our good start, there were many threads talking about our bad injuries and how it hampered his teams and his selections.

And remember, he did not have the luxury of spending what Maloney did on 7 players in January, although i doubt Ross would have spent it all in forming a new boy band for us.

Ross also had to contend with a Covid outbreak and was unable to field a team for two games. Who knows how that impacted the players physically and mentally. Certinly didn't help the fixture congestion we had with possibly fatigued players.

[B.H.F.C]

Ross did have injuries to contend with, Doidge was out long term, after being in good form, we had one centre forward, numerous other injuries too.

In fact if you read the threads on here at the start of the season after our good start, there were many threads talking about our bad injuries and how it hampered his teams and his selections.

And remember, he did not have the luxury of spending what Maloney did on 7 players in January, although i doubt Ross would have spent it all in forming a new boy band for us.

He/we spent two six figure fees last summer on two players who have had zero impact on our team and now can’t get in to the Kilmarnock side (although one is now injured). Chuck in the fact that he was apparently keen on James Scott and Nathan Wood had his loan terminated early. That only leaves Doyle-Hayes as the only one to make any kind of impact and how good he’s been is pretty debatable, despite Ross overseeing a new contract.

If Maloney is getting a hard time for transfers this season, so should Ross surely? I don’t think our transfer business would have been all together different, given Melkersen and Henderson have publicly mentioned we first spoke to them well before Ross was out of the job.

[blackpoolhibs]

He/we spent two six figure fees last summer on two players who have had zero impact on our team and now can’t get in to the Kilmarnock side (although one is now injured). Chuck in the fact that he was apparently keen on James Scott

No he wasnt, he ended up with him when he missed out on his first 2 or 3 targets.

​and Nathan Wood had his loan terminated early.

He never wanted Wood, but ended up again with him when McCart and the other Centre half from St Johnstone never signed for us, one left for Wigan instead and McCart stayed. Woods was a last minute signing.

That only leaves Doyle-Hayes as the only one to make any kind of impact and how good he’s been is pretty debatable, despite Ross overseeing a new contract.

The two youngsters were brought in for the future, both were brought in when we were strong and finishing 3rd. The other players we wanted to sign were not brought in by the guy who's job it is to get those signings over the line.

If Maloney is getting a hard time for transfers this season, so should Ross surely? I don’t think our transfer business would have been all together different, given Melkersen and Henderson have publicly mentioned we first spoke to them well before Ross was out of the job.

Maloney is getting a hard time for his signings, as you are supposed to improve the team when you bring players in, not build a B team and neglect the 1st team.

[B.H.F.C]

Maloney is getting a hard time for his signings, as you are supposed to improve the team when you bring players in, not build a B team and neglect the 1st team.

We failed to improve the team in the summer either though. But because you like Jack Ross, you’ve just decided that wasn’t anything to do with him.

Whereas you don’t like Maloney, so it’s entirely his fault we had a crap window in January (and it was crap). Despite the fact we know we’d likely have signed at least a couple of the same players.

[jacomo]

What happened in past was irrelevant , it was what happened over those 9 games and the run the team was on.to look to future we can't compare to past. What indications was he showing he could hypothetically turn it around?
Ross didn't have the injuries/suspensions maloney has had, plus he had Boyle, yet still couldn't address the poor performances


Almost every team goes on a bad run at some point. It’s a fact of life.

It doesn’t always lead to a large proportion of fans demanding the manager be sacked because they see no ‘evidence’ he will turn it around.

[J-C]

If we look at a slightly fairer sample size to compare, rather than just honing in on JR's worst run of form, then the picture quickly changes.

SM has been here for 15 league games, returning 15 points.

JR last 15 league games got us 23 pts, albeit 2 of those games were at the end of last season - and this points return includes the really poor run at the end of his spell.

For SM to have come into a squad which only last season was the 3rd top scorers, 3rd best defence in the league and come up with a record worse than Butcher is actually beyond belief.

One game to save his job - the ST sales (or lack of) will see to that

That wasn't my point, both of those runs are back to back with each other, which means the squad was weakened by injury added to a severe loss of form by a lot of players.

I thought Ross deserved to get the January window to sort things but that's in the past now and we must try and get behind the new man, no point in looking back and saying but only.

[JimBHibees]

I would kill for 3 wins 3 draws and 5 defeats now. Hibs will always have numerous runs where we dont win all the time, but we still kept picking up points, now we just hardly score and hardly win.

I kept saying it at the time, but we dont appreciate the good times when they are there, we always want more.

Thats not a bad thing, but we do need to appreciate what we did to get those good results, and stay calm when things dont go so well for a while.

That does not happen now, its get rid, sack the idiot, bring in anyone just someone who's not Ross and things will be better.

That went well, and now we will surely sack another manager and appoing the next victim soon.

Agree with a lot of that Ross was a decent appointment for Hibs improved us in his first season then had a very good one finishing 3rd for first time in 16 years. To then sack him within a few months of the next season when it seemed clear our summer signings weren't ideal was a nonsense poor run or not. Got to assume fall out behind the scenes as what on the outside should have happened was the club supporting him uncategorically. Actually would give Maloney until October to have full pre season and bring in his players as don't think it is fair to fully judge until given the tools to do the job. Just my view.

[blackpoolhibs]

We failed to improve the team in the summer either though. But because you like Jack Ross, you’ve just decided that wasn’t anything to do with him.

Whereas you don’t like Maloney, so it’s entirely his fault we had a crap window in January (and it was crap). Despite the fact we know we’d likely have signed at least a couple of the same players.

I want to like every manager, but not every manager gives me a team that punches its weight or better that often.

It's just easier to like those ones, and give them a bit of leeway when things are not going so well.

[Paulie Walnuts]

We failed to improve the team in the summer either though. But because you like Jack Ross, you’ve just decided that wasn’t anything to do with him.

Whereas you don’t like Maloney, so it’s entirely his fault we had a crap window in January (and it was crap). Despite the fact we know we’d likely have signed at least a couple of the same players.

:agree:

You can’t pin all the recruitment blame on Maloney yet absolve Jack Ross of pretty much all the recruitment issues when he was manager.

The set up hasn’t changed. We still work the exact same way under both managers.

Imo both them were badly let down in the last two windows.

[GibbytheHibby2]

:agree:

You can’t pin all the recruitment blame on Maloney yet absolve Jack Ross of pretty much all the recruitment issues when he was manager.

The set up hasn’t changed. We still work the exact same way under both managers.

Imo both them were badly let down in the last two windows.

who were Maloney’s signings? Henderson had been contacted by Hibs before Ross was emptied. Mueller was a pre-contract. Melkerson was also being set up when Ross was here. Rocky probably, Jasper possibly, Clark? Mitchell - defo.

[Smartie]

He/we spent two six figure fees last summer on two players who have had zero impact on our team and now can’t get in to the Kilmarnock side (although one is now injured). Chuck in the fact that he was apparently keen on James Scott and Nathan Wood had his loan terminated early. That only leaves Doyle-Hayes as the only one to make any kind of impact and how good he’s been is pretty debatable, despite Ross overseeing a new contract.

If Maloney is getting a hard time for transfers this season, so should Ross surely? I don’t think our transfer business would have been all together different, given Melkersen and Henderson have publicly mentioned we first spoke to them well before Ross was out of the job.

I’d actually vehemently defend the new contract for JDH.

He was excellent during our excellent start to the season.

His form has been poorer since the contract was signed but he’s still shown decent stuff in flashes.

There are other new contracts that I’d be questioning long before that one.

I thought the Newell/ JDH/ Magennis midfield looked the part and would forgive anyone working towards trying to keep it together.

[jacomo]

who were Maloney’s signings? Henderson had been contacted by Hibs before Ross was emptied. Mueller was a pre-contract. Melkerson was also being set up when Ross was here. Rocky probably, Jasper possibly, Clark? Mitchell - defo.


Rocky a definite yes.

Also sanctioned departures of Hallberg and Gogic - neither is great but I would have welcomed the options they offered.

[Hibs90]

Rocky a definite yes.

Also sanctioned departures of Hallberg and Gogic - neither is great but I would have welcomed the options they offered.

Hallberg would walk into that midfield at the minute.

[Since452]

Hallberg would walk into that midfield at the minute.

So would Oscar Pistorius to be fair.

[shetlandhibee]

Add in the League Cup and Allan has 2 more assists than Campbell. Campbell also has 3 times as many minutes on the pitch.

He hasn't played properly since December because Maloney got appointed in December. Ross didnt use him all the time but certainly used him enough to get creativity out of him. One league win in 13 for Maloney persisting with the dross he has, including a run of games where failed to score in 7 out of 9.

Allan should go when his contract is up, but until then I will never accept his time should be up when we have such brutal options getting minutes ahead of him.
i agree its an absolute joke! anybody that thinks we would be worse with him in the team before numerous aforementioned players cant possibly think that now surely,, and we would have scored a few more goals because of him being in the team( the more her would have played the sharper he would have got as well!) just seems so bizzare to me? its not liker weve been on any sort of good run with players playing well to keep him out either? gets on last 15 mins every 6 weeks or so?:confused:

[shetlandhibee]

So would Oscar Pistorius to be fair. :faf:

[Hermit Crab]

https://twitter.com/62Sauzee/status/1513556867817037829?s=20&t=879SMwTa9kjOUhy8IRL0KA

[Heisenberg]

https://twitter.com/62Sauzee/status/1513556867817037829?s=20&t=879SMwTa9kjOUhy8IRL0KA

Was outside the Man United training ground, not East Mains.

[Alex Trager]

https://twitter.com/62Sauzee/status/1513556867817037829?s=20&t=879SMwTa9kjOUhy8IRL0KA

Seems that was from outside Carrington, MU’s training centre

[Smartie]

So would Oscar Pistorius to be fair.

Ooft.

[Hermit Crab]

Was outside the Man United training ground, not East Mains.


Seems that was from outside Carrington, MU’s training centre


Maybe they could send us a copy of it then.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Was outside the Man United training ground, not East Mains.

No chance a Scottish person would ever say ****bag.

Just doesn’t have the same ring to it as *****bag.

[flash]

Maybe they could send us a copy of it then.

Preferably one not written by a 5 year old.

[snedzuk]

Yes but I acknowledge he isnt the player he was. Everyone does, that point isn't up for debate.

Not everyone agrees he is finished though and the people that do say he is finished are ignoring outright facts about his performances this season in comparison to others. You have just done it off the back of my previous post. If Scott Allan ( who is our most effective contributor to goals available) is finished what does that say about others in the squad? He is only finished because Maloney and Caldwell aren't giving him game time.

Anyone who claims Allan is finished based on his performances hasn't been paying enough attention. Unfortunately Maloney is one of them. He's made a number of terrible judgements about our playing squad though which is partly why he will end up getting the sack.

Hear hear

[McGruber]

Yes but I acknowledge he isnt the player he was. Everyone does, that point isn't up for debate.

Not everyone agrees he is finished though and the people that do say he is finished are ignoring outright facts about his performances this season in comparison to others. You have just done it off the back of my previous post. If Scott Allan ( who is our most effective contributor to goals available) is finished what does that say about others in the squad? He is only finished because Maloney and Caldwell aren't giving him game time.

Anyone who claims Allan is finished based on his performances hasn't been paying enough attention. Unfortunately Maloney is one of them. He's made a number of terrible judgements about our playing squad though which is partly why he will end up getting the sack.

Absolutely.

[heretoday]

Hearts just seemed more determined and better organised than our lot. There's an insipid quality to Hibs, and that's not good.

[Iggy Pope]

Maybe they could send us a copy of it then.

You’ve done well again here.

[Stevie Reid]

Yes but I acknowledge he isnt the player he was. Everyone does, that point isn't up for debate.

Not everyone agrees he is finished though and the people that do say he is finished are ignoring outright facts about his performances this season in comparison to others. You have just done it off the back of my previous post. If Scott Allan ( who is our most effective contributor to goals available) is finished what does that say about others in the squad? He is only finished because Maloney and Caldwell aren't giving him game time.

Anyone who claims Allan is finished based on his performances hasn't been paying enough attention. Unfortunately Maloney is one of them. He's made a number of terrible judgements about our playing squad though which is partly why he will end up getting the sack.

Totally agree with this. Have a look at this video - think there's more Allan involvement than Boyle, in these goals (not saying it's representative overall, just that it shows how potent a creative force he can still be):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VLtw2GyvvY

[Lancs Harp]

I cant quite understand why Scotty hasnt seen more minutes on the pitch either especially in a side that doesnt possess an abundance of creativity in it. I get there is a severe doubt over his physical fitness but even so would have expected more cameos off the bench and starts even if he only got to the hour mark. A rare spark in a squad that is devoid of flair

[jeffers]

I cant quite understand why Scotty hasnt seen more minutes on the pitch either especially in a side that doesnt possess an abundance of creativity in it. I get there is a severe doubt over his physical fitness but even so would have expected more cameos off the bench and starts even if he only got to the hour mark. A rare spark in a squad that is devoid of flair

One of my favourite players of recent times and hate the way his time with us is coming to an end. I’d liked to have seen him feature more, but from what I understand his attitude does him no favours.

[LaMotta]

Totally agree with this. Have a look at this video - think there's more Allan involvement than Boyle, in these goals (not saying it's representative overall, just that it shows how potent a creative force he can still be):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VLtw2GyvvY

Look at those 3 assists in the three goals in a row on that video between 43 seconds and 1 min 30. Absolutely tremendous, and all this season. Not bad for someone who is supposedly finished and can't get a look in from the manager in one of the least potent attacking Hibs teams in living memory.

[1875Sean]

Totally agree with this. Have a look at this video - think there's more Allan involvement than Boyle, in these goals (not saying it's representative overall, just that it shows how potent a creative force he can still be):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VLtw2GyvvY

You’ve convinced me, Alan should start however I can’t remember the last time he has even came off the bench which makes you think he won’t be involved

[LaMotta]

You’ve convinced me, Alan should start however I can’t remember the last time he has even came off the bench which makes you think he won’t be involved

There's almost no chance of him being involved. The last time he started for us was Maloney's first game in charge v Sheep ( a team which I believe David Gray helped him pick). Oh and we won that game by the way.

[Smartie]

There's almost no chance of him being involved. The last time he started for us was Maloney's first game in charge v Sheep ( a team which I believe David Gray helped him pick). Oh and we won that game by the way.

Even that’s quite interesting from a stats point of view - we won that game, Scott Allan started.

We haven’t won many of the games we’ve played since he last started a game.

For someone who does look miles off the pace when he gets on, he’s still provided a very decent end product during his time on the park this season.

[Alex Trager]

Even that’s quite interesting from a stats point of view - we won that game, Scott Allan started.

We haven’t won many of the games we’ve played since he last started a game.

For someone who does look miles off the pace when he gets on, he’s still provided a very decent end product during his time on the park this season.
He came on at Motherwell and managed to reduce our man advantage. He was awful against ten men, and he had a decent amount of time if memory serves.

I was set for him to come on and be superb given the circumstances but he really wasn’t

[B.H.F.C]

Even that’s quite interesting from a stats point of view - we won that game, Scott Allan started.

We haven’t won many of the games we’ve played since he last started a game.

For someone who does look miles off the pace when he gets on, he’s still provided a very decent end product during his time on the park this season.

We’ve actually won 3 of the 5 games he’s started this season. One of the games we lost was when Porteous was sent off at Ibrox (Allan was hooked as a result although we’d been dominating the game at that point and we’re 1-0 up at that point). Feels like a like time ago that.

[Steven79]

We’ve actually won 3 of the 5 games he’s started this season. One of the games we lost was when Porteous was sent off at Ibrox (Allan was hooked as a result although we’d been dominating the game at that point and we’re 1-0 up at that point). Feels like a like time ago that.

That game was a sliding doors moment.

Imagine where we would be right now if we had won that game...

[LaMotta]

Even that’s quite interesting from a stats point of view - we won that game, Scott Allan started.

We haven’t won many of the games we’ve played since he last started a game.

For someone who does look miles off the pace when he gets on, he’s still provided a very decent end product during his time on the park this season.


We’ve actually won 3 of the 5 games he’s started this season. One of the games we lost was when Porteous was sent off at Ibrox (Allan was hooked as a result although we’d been dominating the game at that point and we’re 1-0 up at that point). Feels like a like time ago that.


That game was a sliding doors moment.

Imagine where we would be right now if we had won that game...

:agree::agree::agree:

[LaMotta]

He came on at Motherwell and managed to reduce our man advantage. He was awful against ten men, and he had a decent amount of time if memory serves.

I was set for him to come on and be superb given the circumstances but he really wasn’t

Well yes that is true. But so what? We could say the same about a whole host of other players since December.

The difference is that Allan has proved this season he can affect games positively, on a number of different occasions. Whilst the others have been consistently unable to do so (minus Jasper and Melkerson for one half v that 10 man Motherwell).

[loanheadhibby]

I cant quite understand why Scotty hasnt seen more minutes on the pitch either especially in a side that doesnt possess an abundance of creativity in it. I get there is a severe doubt over his physical fitness but even so would have expected more cameos off the bench and starts even if he only got to the hour mark. A rare spark in a squad that is devoid of flair

I love Scotty as much as next person but anyone who was at Motherwell for cup game knows why Scott Allan is not starting. When he came on it was like 10 v 10. He was sadly anonymous.

This game would pass him by unfortunately.

[Lancs Harp]

I love Scotty as much as next person but anyone who was at Motherwell for cup game knows why Scott Allan is not starting. When he came on it was like 10 v 10. He was sadly anonymous.

This game would pass him by unfortunately.

I dont think i woukd start him on saturday either it was more a generalisation on the season as a whole im just surprised we havent seen more of him from the bench especially as we havd often struggled to create much in many games.

[B.H.F.C]

I dont think i woukd start him on saturday either it was more a generalisation on the season as a whole im just surprised we havent seen more of him from the bench especially as we havd often struggled to create much in many games.

No way he’d have it in him to start but he’s had that little time on the park that I don’t think he’s even got it in him to come on as a sub now.

Could be handy as an option if it gets to penalties on Saturday, can’t see many of the rest of them wanting to take one.

[LaMotta]

I love Scotty as much as next person but anyone who was at Motherwell for cup game knows why Scott Allan is not starting. When he came on it was like 10 v 10. He was sadly anonymous.

This game would pass him by unfortunately.

The game has passed by Mueller, Henderson, Campbell and Scott on a weekly basis since December.

[loanheadhibby]

The game has passed by Mueller, Henderson, Campbell and Scott on a weekly basis since December.

Not disagreeing but adding Scott Allan would not enhance us based on what I’ve seen.

Bringing him on with 20 to go or even in extra time, definitely.

[loanheadhibby]

I dont think i woukd start him on saturday either it was more a generalisation on the season as a whole im just surprised we havent seen more of him from the bench especially as we havd often struggled to create much in many games.

He came on v St Mirren in September and had a brilliant 20 mins. However for the next 25, he was breathing out his rear end.

For balance, he turned game in our favour away to St Johnstone.

I do agree he should have been utilised more throughout the season.

[LaMotta]

Not disagreeing but adding Scott Allan would not enhance us based on what I’ve seen.

Bringing him on with 20 to go or even in extra time, definitely.


That's fair mate.:aok:

[Mcbizz1998]

Not disagreeing but adding Scott Allan would not enhance us based on what I’ve seen.

Bringing him on with 20 to go or even in extra time, definitely.

Maybe right but that’s because he has hardly played.

I just wish Ross or Maloney would have had the bottle to give him a run of games. That’s what he needs and he will be a threat.

Wouldn’t surprise me to see him leave in the summer, go to a club who give him game time and he thrives!

[Tambo]

Shaun Maloney has been accused of shirking responsibility for Hibs' failures.

Ex-Rangers and Aberdeen star Ricky Foster hasn't impressed with comments made by the Hibees manager in post-match interviews after recent defeats.

The latest came after a 3-1 loss to Hearts in Saturday's Edinburgh derby, and Foster picked up on him apparently blaming the situation he inherited back in December.

Jack Ross had been sacked after a horrendous run, but the Partick Thistle full-back reckons he would've turned things around.

And he's also compared Maloney's approach to that of Jim Goodwin at Aberdeen, who has had less time in charge but has taken responsibility for a failure to reach the top six.

[Tambo]

Also mixu says Maloney needs to be given time.

[JimBHibees]

Shaun Maloney has been accused of shirking responsibility for Hibs' failures.

Ex-Rangers and Aberdeen star Ricky Foster hasn't impressed with comments made by the Hibees manager in post-match interviews after recent defeats.

The latest came after a 3-1 loss to Hearts in Saturday's Edinburgh derby, and Foster picked up on him apparently blaming the situation he inherited back in December.

Jack Ross had been sacked after a horrendous run, but the Partick Thistle full-back reckons he would've turned things around.

And he's also compared Maloney's approach to that of Jim Goodwin at Aberdeen, who has had less time in charge but has taken responsibility for a failure to reach the top six.

Ricky Foster can do one

[West lower]

Shaun Maloney has been accused of shirking responsibility for Hibs' failures.

Ex-Rangers and Aberdeen star Ricky Foster hasn't impressed with comments made by the Hibees manager in post-match interviews after recent defeats.

The latest came after a 3-1 loss to Hearts in Saturday's Edinburgh derby, and Foster picked up on him apparently blaming the situation he inherited back in December.

Jack Ross had been sacked after a horrendous run, but the Partick Thistle full-back reckons he would've turned things around.

And he's also compared Maloney's approach to that of Jim Goodwin at Aberdeen, who has had less time in charge but has taken responsibility for a failure to reach the top six.

Forster has never said a good word about Hibs that I can recall. Ex- Aberdeen saying how new Aberdeen boss is doing it better. Same old ex pro waffle. File under “erse”.

[Ronniekirk]

I love Scotty as much as next person but anyone who was at Motherwell for cup game knows why Scott Allan is not starting. When he came on it was like 10 v 10. He was sadly anonymous.

This game would pass him by unfortunately.

Agree but the more subs he brought in the worse we seemed to get it was frightening


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[18Craig75]

Shaun Maloney has been accused of shirking responsibility for Hibs' failures.

Ex-Rangers and Aberdeen star Ricky Foster hasn't impressed with comments made by the Hibees manager in post-match interviews after recent defeats.

The latest came after a 3-1 loss to Hearts in Saturday's Edinburgh derby, and Foster picked up on him apparently blaming the situation he inherited back in December.

Jack Ross had been sacked after a horrendous run, but the Partick Thistle full-back reckons he would've turned things around.

And he's also compared Maloney's approach to that of Jim Goodwin at Aberdeen, who has had less time in charge but has taken responsibility for a failure to reach the top six.

https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/shaun-maloney-blasted-shirking-hibs-23686071

I actually think he’s pretty spot on. Only thing I’d disagree with is the part about Ross finishing 4th. He may well have with a decent January window but with the run he ended on there’s no way you could confidently say we’d be 4th.

[LaMotta]

Ricky Foster can do one


Forster has never said a good word about Hibs that I can recall. Ex- Aberdeen saying how new Aberdeen boss is doing it better. Same old ex pro waffle. File under “erse”.

He might be an arse, but he's right.

[JimBHibees]

He might be an arse, but he's right.

No he isnt

[bigwheel]

No he isnt

Not much wrong about what Foster said for me tbh…..Maloney spends too much time blaming what he took over..he’s had one transfer window and lots of the season to make headway. Completely failed to do it. Never a good sign for a manager that…Goodwin comes over more credible for me.


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[LaMotta]

No he isnt

Ohhhhh yes he is....

[Northernhibee]

Not much wrong about what Foster said for me tbh…..Maloney spends too much time blaming what he took over..he’s had one transfer window and lots of the season to make headway. Completely failed to do it. Never a good sign for a manager that…Goodwin comes over more credible for me.


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We’re several times worse now than under Ross. Maloney isn’t to be trusted if he can’t take his share of the blame.

[bigwheel]

We’re several times worse now than under Ross. Maloney isn’t to be trusted if he can’t take his share of the blame.

Can’t disagree with any of that tbh ….


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[Jdawg]

No he isnt he is playing a formation he openly admits he doesn’t have a good enough number 6 to play it. The formation creates **** all. CF is always isolated. 2 behind him have no idea where to play. Plays Clarke out of position to fit him and Cadden in the same team. Subs are horrendous. Continually brings on James Scott who has done zero in a hibs shirt. Subs are genuinely baffling. Clueless.

[Smartie]

he is playing a formation he openly admits he doesn’t have a good enough number 6 to play it. The formation creates **** all. CF is always isolated. 2 behind him have no idea where to play. Plays Clarke out of position to fit him and Cadden in the same team. Subs are horrendous. Continually brings on James Scott who has done zero in a hibs shirt. Subs are genuinely baffling. Clueless.

Interesting that this is pretty much word for word how I’d describe football under Maloney.

[CB Hibs 68]

he is playing a formation he openly admits he doesn’t have a good enough number 6 to play it. The formation creates **** all. CF is always isolated. 2 behind him have no idea where to play. Plays Clarke out of position to fit him and Cadden in the same team. Subs are horrendous. Continually brings on James Scott who has done zero in a hibs shirt. Subs are genuinely baffling. Clueless.
Take it you are no fan of Maloney?

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Maloney will be fine and we’ll be fine, everyone please stop wetting the bed quite so much. Foster is a fud and Aberdeen are easily capable of finishing in the play off position.


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[LewysGot2]

Maloney will be fine and we’ll be fine, everyone please stop wetting the bed quite so much. Foster is a fud and Aberdeen are easily capable of finishing in the play off position.


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For balance, let's see what his old team mate Danny Swanson reckons 😂

[LaMotta]

he is playing a formation he openly admits he doesn’t have a good enough number 6 to play it. The formation creates **** all. CF is always isolated. 2 behind him have no idea where to play. Plays Clarke out of position to fit him and Cadden in the same team. Subs are horrendous. Continually brings on James Scott who has done zero in a hibs shirt. Subs are genuinely baffling. Clueless.


Interesting that this is pretty much word for word how I’d describe football under Maloney.

Absolutely spot on.

[Jdawg]

Take it you are no fan of Maloney?

Not really 😂😂. Get beat this weekend and RG may have no option as ST uptake will be severely impacted. People might want to wait to see what division we are in first.

[Jdawg]

Maloney will be fine and we’ll be fine, everyone please stop wetting the bed quite so much. Foster is a fud and Aberdeen are easily capable of finishing in the play off position.


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Aye everything looks fine! Of course Aberdeen could, equally so could we. It’s abysmal.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Aye everything looks fine! Of course Aberdeen could, equally so could we. It’s abysmal.

It’s no been great, the guys made a few decent signings but largely still working with a bunch of has beens and inferior players. We’ll be fine.


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[1875Sean]

https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/shaun-maloney-blasted-shirking-hibs-23686071

I actually think he’s pretty spot on. Only thing I’d disagree with is the part about Ross finishing 4th. He may well have with a decent January window but with the run he ended on there’s no way you could confidently say we’d be 4th.

To be fair he said fighting for 4th, you could say that to anyone from 6th to 4th

[1875Sean]

It’s no been great, the guys made a few decent signings but largely still working with a bunch of has beens and inferior players. We’ll be fine.


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Same has beens that were great last season, come off it, what’s with the Maloney love in, he signed Henderson and Rocky who have both been terrible

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Same has beens that were great last season, come off it, what’s with the Maloney love in, he signed Henderson and Rocky who have both been terrible

Who was great last season? I’m not saying some of the guys he has inherited aren’t good players, but there’s a lot of deadwood that needs shifted.


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[Ronniekirk]

Who was great last season? I’m not saying some of the guys he has inherited aren’t good players, but there’s a lot of deadwood that needs shifted.


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Who is going to take deadwood though We are going to have less income post split due to lower crowds .If no cup final thsts another pot of money away
Season ticket sales won’t be as good at the outset you would think so Less income
Is Ron Gordon going to fill that hole ?
Less income impacts on player budget
Boyle transfer fee will probably cover the above but again leaving g less if that to pay new players wages
Will sponsorship continue to increase with some fans seemingly discontent and crowds maybe down
A lot hinges on getting this transfer window right as we would then be in a bigger mess


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