Maloney has to go

[Gordy M]

I'm not quite in the 'Maloney out' camp yet but I really don't think the suggestion is as outrageous as some people think it is.

We are on a dreadful run of form and we are now in serious danger of finishing in the bottom six which would be disgraceful.

Our results in 2022 so far are;

L Celtic 2-0 Hibs
W Hibs 1-0 Cove Rangers AET
D Motherwell 0-0 Hibs
L Hibs 2-3 Livingston
D Hibs 0-0 Hearts
L Hibs 0-1 St Mirren
L Rangers 2-0 Hibs
W Arbroath 1-3 Hibs
W Hibs 2-0 Ross County
D Hibs 0-0 Celtic
D Dundee 0-0 Hibs
D Hibs 0-0 St Johnstone
W Motherwell 1-2 Hibs
L Aberdeen 3-1 Hibs
D Hibs 1-1 Dundee Utd

One win from twelve in the league and it now means that these two derbies are absolutely massive for Maloney, probably even bigger than they would have been anyway if we had been going into them in decent form. I think he'll be in charge until at least the start of next season but there's no doubt he'll lose an increasing number of fans if we lose both of these games and I don't think there would be any way back for him.

We need to roll the sleeves up and get two wins by any means necessary.

I thought we had lost more than 5 out the last 15 games if im being honest. Far too many draws unf.

[LaMotta]

My point is that crying for him to be sacked on the assumption that his replacement will be better is flawed look at arteta at arsenal. Similar vibe, young manager who is technical and has a project. Their fans wanted him out but despite 8 defeats they're now 4th. Should he have been sacked when things were really **** at the start of the season?

Injuries have played a big part but so has the transition to a different style. We don't know who we went for and who turned us down in the January window but the damage was done in the summer window, not Maloneys fault.

Success isn't built on instability. It's not guaranteed by change either. My view is that he's got real potential as a manager. To not even give the guy a season is so typical of a child like " we want it now" society. Sometimes the best things come with hard work and patience.


Your first 2 paras are totally fair I agree. Despite having doubts about appointing a rookie manager I've always been 100 percent behind Maloney and want him to succeed.

But I can't see how anyone thinks he has real potential as a manager based on the evidence so far. He doesn't communicate well enough to be a manager IMO and his decision making ( starting 11's and sub decisions) so far has clearly been questionable to say the least.

What is it that makes you think he'll be good?

It seems unfair to say he should be sacked. I'm not suggesting yet he should be. But if he loses the next 2 then we will be playing to a seriously empty stadium for the rest of the season, it will limit season ticket sales for next year - and i'd be amazed if the powers that be don't act.

If he wins both then he will be a legend. Can't see it though.

[Centre Hawf]

For me Maloney needs more time. Has it been good enough so far? No, not at all.

But he’s currently missing his best striker and his back up. His best advanced midfielder. He was missing his two wing backs/wide midfielders and one is still out injured. He didn’t have his captain or vice captain (if McGinn is still it) for probably nearly 2 months. His starting keeper has been in and out for 2 months. Joe Newell spent over a month out.

He’s had a horrendous time to start with. I’m not surprised we don’t look anywhere near the finished article when he’s probably not had the same group of players at training two days in a row since he’s come in.

For me, today was a disappointment in that we didn’t win 3 important points. But it was also a little flicker of hope that there is life in his tenure. Two massive games now to turn that flicker into something substantial.

[Pagan Hibernia]

For me Maloney needs more time. Has it been good enough so far? No, not at all.

But he’s currently missing his best striker and his back up. His best advanced midfielder. He was missing his two wing backs/wide midfielders and one is still out injured. He didn’t have his captain or vice captain (if McGinn is still it) for probably nearly 2 months. His starting keeper has been in and out for 2 months. Joe Newell spent over a month out.

He’s had a horrendous time to start with. I’m not surprised we don’t look anywhere near the finished article when he’s probably not had the same group of players at training two days in a row since he’s come in.

For me, today was a disappointment in that we didn’t win 3 important points. But it was also a little flicker of hope that there is life in his tenure. Two massive games now to turn that flicker into something substantial.

I agree with this. And if melkerson had just kept his cool in the 95th minute today we’d all be buzzing after a very well deserved win and looking forward to tynecastle and hampden. The performance was good today, not amazingly brilliant, but good. Certainly good enough to win. Fine margins in football. Apart from the aberdeen debacle there have been positive signs for a few weeks now, albeit without the results to match.

i fancy us to get something at tynecastle, and knock hearts out of the cup.

[Stevie Reid]

No, he didn’t.

He took us over in 8th. He got us up to the dizzy heights of 7th from 8th over the course of 18 matches.

If you want to do a like for like in terms of comparison between Ross and Maloney taking over mid season:

Ross - P 18 W 7 D 4 L 7

PPG 1.39
GPG 1.44
39% win ratio

38 game season would equate to 53 points won and 55 goals scored.

Maloney - P 14 W 3 D 6 L 5
PPG 1.07
GPG 0.71
21% win ratio

38 game season would equate to 41 points won and 27 goals scored.

FWIW, since the winter break we have 0.75 PPG and 0.5 GPG.

38 game season would equate to 29 points won and 19 goals scored.

[LaMotta]

If you want to do a like for like in terms of comparison between Ross and Maloney taking over mid season:

Ross - P 18 W 7 D 4 L 7

PPG 1.39
GPG 1.44
39% win ratio
38 game season would equate to 53 points won and 55 goals scored.

Maloney - P 14 W 3 D 6 L 5
PPG 1.07
GPG 0.71
21% win ratio
38 game season would equate to 41 points won and 27 goals scored.

FWIW, since the winter break we have 0.75 PPG and 0.5 GPG.
38 game season would equate to 29 points won and 19 goals scored.

These stats are quite damning, particularly those from the winter break onwards. Yes Boyle has left but still. Quite sobering.

[Keepthefaith]

Your first 2 paras are totally fair I agree. Despite having doubts about appointing a rookie manager I've always been 100 percent behind Maloney and want him to succeed.

But I can't see how anyone thinks he has real potential as a manager based on the evidence so far. He doesn't communicate well enough to be a manager IMO and his decision making ( starting 11's and sub decisions) so far has clearly been questionable to say the least.

What is it that makes you think he'll be good?

It seems unfair to say he should be sacked. I'm not suggesting yet he should be. But if he loses the next 2 then we will be playing to a seriously empty stadium for the rest of the season, it will limit season ticket sales for next year - and i'd be amazed if the powers that be don't act.

If he wins both then he will be a legend. Can't see it though.

I get your point I do...I'm looking at it in the context of the bigger ambition of Hibs and clear intent from Ron and Ben to back Maloney into next season. With the development of pathways for younger players I think we'll see a better standard of player at Hibs in the next season and the ones that follow

Maloney has made mistakes for sure but he's learning. In my first 2 years of management I made some awful errors but luckily I had the support and understanding to help me learn and develop!

Can't disagree about empty stadium if it all goes tits up, was chatting about this with my mate at the game. I could be being hopelessly naive but I see in Maloney someone with food values, good technical ability, a real desire to succeed. Comparison on here ( not you I think!) With butcher are nonsense. Butcher was a dinosaur and moral vacuum

I'd put Maloney above heckingbottom but he's now doing ok in the English championship, whereas everyone was crying out for Alex Neil and he's not had the best of starts at Sunderland and are in danger of missing the playoffs!

[LaMotta]

Just watching Sportscene and Maloney's interview is awful. Like he really struggles with them. How does he deliver a credible team talk when he can't string sentences together properly in post match interviews?

[LaMotta]

I get your point I do...I'm looking at it in the context of the bigger ambition of Hibs and clear intent from Ron and Ben to back Maloney into next season. With the development of pathways for younger players I think we'll see a better standard of player at Hibs in the next season and the ones that follow

Maloney has made mistakes for sure but he's learning. In my first 2 years of management I made some awful errors but luckily I had the support and understanding to help me learn and develop!

Can't disagree about empty stadium if it all goes tits up, was chatting about this with my mate at the game. I could be being hopelessly naive but I see in Maloney someone with food values, good technical ability, a real desire to succeed. Comparison on here ( not you I think!) With butcher are nonsense. Butcher was a dinosaur and moral vacuum

I'd put Maloney above heckingbottom but he's now doing ok in the English championship, whereas everyone was crying out for Alex Neil and he's not had the best of starts at Sunderland and are in danger of missing the playoffs!

Fair do's mate, really hope you are right:aok:

[Stevie Reid]

These stats are quite damning, particularly those from the winter break onwards. Yes Boyle has left but still. Quite sobering.

Boyle is an absolutely huge loss, there’s no doubt about it. He scored goals, he created goals, and his all round contribution - not to mention the type of character he was - were hugely important.

But if we look at this season before he left, he scored 7 league goals in 20 games (four of them were penalties, so three from open play). He had four assists also.

There’s no denying that is a healthy contribution but the idea that those numbers are irreplaceable, even across a couple of players, is pretty ridiculous.

[LaMotta]

Boyle is an absolutely huge loss, there’s no doubt about it. He scored goals, he created goals, and his all round contribution - not to mention the type of character he was - were hugely important.

But if we look at this season before he left, he scored 7 league goals in 20 games (four of them were penalties, so three from open play). He had four assists also.

There’s no denying that is a healthy contribution but the idea that those numbers are irreplaceable, even across a couple of players, is pretty ridiculous.

:agree:

[DetroitHibs]

Anyone who actually thinks Maloney has to go is mental. Even worse are the folk that want Ross back. His football is the reason we are where we are.

The people that want him to go can at least back up what they are saying from statists and performances. What have you seen that makes you think he's a good manager? All you have to go on is a hope and a prayer. What's more mental?

[overdrive]

It's tough to listen to Maloney after the game where he admits that it's 8 or 9 weeks now that he's been saying we need to improve our attacking play. And yet aside from shuffling the personnel a bit he continues to do the same things every week, same system, same lack of urgency, little support for our number 9, too many players behind the ball, too slow all over.

This is my main issue with him (other than the dreadful football being offered up) - he simply isn’t learning fast enough and keeps doing the same thing (with the odd change in personnel). What is the phrase? “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting the same result”, or something along those lines?

[Inconsequential]

Just watching Sportscene and Maloney's interview is awful. Like he really struggles with them. How does he deliver a credible team talk when he can't string sentences together properly in post match interviews? Who cares that his interviews are awful? They're no worse than any other football manager. It's the performances of the team that are important and unfortunately they aren't the best at the moment. Let the managers manage I say enough of every single thing connected to a match being scrutinised. Oh, for the good old days. :wink:

[OldEast]

I don’t want him to go but it’s really dull and the subs are awful.

I support Maloney's vision and happy to give him time after the summer window to see how it pans out. However his substitutions are at times utterly baffling, both in player choice and where he's asking them to play. Hopefully this is solely because he has very limited options just now.
In recent times both Lennon and Ross made some crazy subs, can't really remember Hecky. I look forward to us having much better squad depth with players who can slot in to influence the game.

[Greenio]

Rightly so, losing both these games is a nightmare scenario. Neilson who has done relatively well at Hearts will be in the exact same position.

He wont

He'll be here till October regardless.

Been saying this for weeks

[MWHIBBIES]

Aye sack Sean pay him and his staff off and bring in new people, easy eh, no financial implications at all either

Still time to salvage i say and improve

I actually don't think he should be sacked, at least not after a good performance yesterday, but this has always been the worst argument for keeping a manager. Financially you are always better of sacking a failing manager and getting a better one. Money comes from winning matches.

[hibsbollah]

A home point against Dundee Utd.
Unprecedented :grr:

[Skol]

I am certainly not calling for maloney to go as he needs to be given time

However I have yet to see much evidence that he will turn this around. That is what worries me

I accept we have had injuries and lost Boyle. These have not helped. Yesterday was a key game and the next two even more so now.

[Alfred E Newman]

A home point against Dundee Utd.
Unprecedented :grr:

It's not unfortunately and one of the reasons we are heading for the embarrassment of the bottom six.

[Dmas]

I am certainly not calling for maloney to go as he needs to be given time

However I have yet to see much evidence that he will turn this around. That is what worries me

I accept we have had injuries and lost Boyle. These have not helped. Yesterday was a key game and the next two even more so now.

It’s problems that pre date Maloney, we haven’t been good enough all season attacking wise it’s unfair to be laying the blame solely at maloneys door for it

We do have 2 important games and 1 of them is a cup semi final at hampden that he’s got us too he should be banking the same credit as JR for making the latter stages of a cup but instead the knives are out incase we lose

[Skol]

It’s problems that pre date Maloney, we haven’t been good enough all season attacking wise it’s unfair to be laying the blame solely at maloneys door for it

We do have 2 important games and 1 of them is a cup semi final at hampden that he’s got us too he should be banking the same credit as JR for making the latter stages of a cup but instead the knives are out incase we lose

I don’t disagree. However Ross came in to an underperforming heckinbottom team and we saw improvements. We also saw things in newell and doidge that we hadn’t seen before.

Maloney so far at best is just delivering more of the same and in fact could be argued to be worse

[Jones28]

It’s problems that pre date Maloney, we haven’t been good enough all season attacking wise it’s unfair to be laying the blame solely at maloneys door for it

We do have 2 important games and 1 of them is a cup semi final at hampden that he’s got us too he should be banking the same credit as JR for making the latter stages of a cup but instead the knives are out incase we lose

Is argue that we were tremendous going forward at the start of season until injuries started to bite. The game 3-0 against Ross County at ER was terrific.

[Dmas]

Is argue that we were tremendous going forward at the start of season until injuries started to bite. The game 3-0 against Ross County at ER was terrific.

We had a great start to the season no denying that it’s what’s kept us on top 6 for much of the season really sometimes you look at the league and wonder how we’re still in and about it after the poor runs we’ve had

But just to look at the top scorer charts this season and see magennis in 3rd place with how little he’s played and our main striker only 3 goals a head of him really tells the story

[Jones28]

We had a great start to the season no denying that it’s what’s kept us on top 6 for much of the season really sometimes you look at the league and wonder how we’re still in and about it after the poor runs we’ve had

But just to look at the top scorer charts this season and see magennis in 3rd place with how little he’s played and our main striker only 3 goals a head of him really tells the story

Totally agree.

[LaMotta]

Who cares that his interviews are awful? They're no worse than any other football manager. It's the performances of the team that are important and unfortunately they aren't the best at the moment. Let the managers manage I say enough of every single thing connected to a match being scrutinised. Oh, for the good old days. :wink:

If he was winning games most weeks then no one would give a crispy duck how he conducts his interviews. When you aren't winning and the team isnt doing well then everything is going to be scrutinised. Every Hibs manager has had their interviews scrutinised when we have gone through bad patches - it's been that way for decades.

There is often too much emphasis placed on what a manager says after a game. This is the first time in ages with a Manager though I've actually been concerned about what we are hearing in media engagements.

[Dmas]

I don’t disagree. However Ross came in to an underperforming heckinbottom team and we saw improvements. We also saw things in newell and doidge that we hadn’t seen before.

Maloney so far at best is just delivering more of the same and in fact could be argued to be worse

He’s improved the defence imo we where very poor at the back as it went wrong with Ross, Porto and Doig look to have improved under SM

It’s not good enough attacking wise im not denying it but I don’t think it’s worthy of binning it all off and starting again

[Danderhall Hibs]

If he was winning games most weeks then no one would give a crispy duck how he conducts his interviews. When you aren't winning and the team isnt doing well then everything is going to be scrutinised. Every Hibs manager has had their interviews scrutinised when we have gone through bad patches - it's been that way for decades.

There is often too much emphasis placed on what a manager says after a game. This is the first time in ages with a Manager though I've actually been concerned about what we are hearing in media engagements.

Not strictly true - the last manager was winning games most week late season and folk called him boring and picked out “fine margins” as one thing they didn’t like. Also complaints he didn’t go gung-ho in the media about his players and referees etc.

Doesn’t matter how well they’re doing someone will complain about something. Admittedly it’s amplified when we don’t win.

[The Modfather]

I think Maloney has made the job harder than it might have been. He inherited a bit of an imbalanced shambles from Ross and has to completely rebuild our attack and midfield post Boyle as we really were a 1 man team this season.

That being said, I think a more experienced coach could get more from what he does have available. However I’m also not sure what our strengths are, it’s certainly not creating or scoring goals unfortunately.

Maloney must have something about him to have been assistant at Belgium, however that doesn’t mean it will translate into him being a good manager. I’m hoping that a proper summers recruitment and we’ll see the real Maloney. He won’t be carrying any credit in the bank from this season, as understandable as that is, which means he has to hit the ground running next season to get everyone on board.

[GreenCastle]

It’s problems that pre date Maloney, we haven’t been good enough all season attacking wise it’s unfair to be laying the blame solely at maloneys door for it

We do have 2 important games and 1 of them is a cup semi final at hampden that he’s got us too he should be banking the same credit as JR for making the latter stages of a cup but instead the knives are out incase we lose

Surely before he got the job he watched Hibs and knew we had attacking issues and the midfield was poor.

There are no excuses - he needed to add more in the front areas but hasn’t so we are now relying on a 19 year old as our main striker !!

The Boyle leaving chat is tedious too - was bad timing but there was a chance he would go and we knew that when he renegotiated his contract.

There are so many excuses and chat about transition season etc.

After winning the cup our standards increased and we are slipping back to accepting mediocrity and blind loyalty.

Football is about winning games and we need to start doing that in the next 2 or it’s a serious loss of revenue and empty stands for bottom 6 / less season ticket sales next season.

[CapitalGreen]

Boyle is an absolutely huge loss, there’s no doubt about it. He scored goals, he created goals, and his all round contribution - not to mention the type of character he was - were hugely important.

But if we look at this season before he left, he scored 7 league goals in 20 games (four of them were penalties, so three from open play). He had four assists also.

There’s no denying that is a healthy contribution but the idea that those numbers are irreplaceable, even across a couple of players, is pretty ridiculous.

Why do you discount his penalty goals? Especially when he won the majority of those penalties himself.

If you look at all our goals scored in the 2 months before he left it reads:

All 3 goals v Rangers - Boyle hat trick, won penalty himself
Nisbet & Murphy v Saints - Suspended
Nisbet v Motherwell - not involved
Campbell v St Mirren - Rebound from a Boyle shot
McMullen OG v Dundee - Headed in a Boyle cross
Hanlon v Celtic - Boyle assist
Porteous v Aberdeen - Boyle Assist
Nisbet v D Utd - Boyle Assist
Cadden v D Utd - Boyle Assist
Murphy v D Utd - Boyle passed it to Murphy but won’t be credited with assist as Murphy played a one-two off the Utd defender before hitting it.

Of the 13 goals we scored he played a significant part in 10 of them.

[JohnM1875]

Maloney is going nowhere soon I reckon.

Actually think there's signs of improvement. I totally get their game plan changes after they go 1 up yesterday. But after their goal Kev has **** all to do. We battered them for large parts second half and were moving the ball much quicker and getting into the box.

Melkersen really has to score as well. Fell really sorry for the boy. But luckily he doesn't seem short of confidence so I'm sure it won't affect him too much

[LaMotta]

Not strictly true - the last manager was winning games most week late season and folk called him boring and picked out “fine margins” as one thing they didn’t like. Also complaints he didn’t go gung-ho in the media about his players and referees etc.

Doesn’t matter how well they’re doing someone will complain about something. Admittedly it’s amplified when we don’t win.

Yes fair points mate on reflection which wipes out my crispy duck line. I suppose it maybe backs up my line that says too much emphasis is sometimes placed on what managers say. I thought JR came across well the majority of the time.

I think what I'm getting at is for me this is the first time with a manager I'm really finding it hard to listen to him speak and then thinking how that translates to being in charge of a large group of young egotistical football players.

Maybe its ok behind the scenes. Maybe no one else agrees with me, it's just the way I see it.

If we get 2 wins in our next 2 games however he could perform his post match semi final interview through the medium of dance dressed in an easter bunny suit and I'd be fully behind him:greengrin

[Mike Berry]

Maloney is going nowhere soon I reckon.

Actually think there's signs of improvement. I totally get their game plan changes after they go 1 up yesterday. But after their goal Kev has **** all to do. We battered them for large parts second half and were moving the ball much quicker and getting into the box.

Melkersen really has to score as well. Fell really sorry for the boy. But luckily he doesn't seem short of confidence so I'm sure it won't affect him too muchI think you're spot on there. We are getting better, and second half we mostly battered them. But it is still frustrating to watch, which is why some people are pissed off. If we don't win the next 2 games though, a lot of fans will turn against Maloney. I'm still behind Maloney, because I think there's something potentially worthwhile going on at Hibs.

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[Skol]

Maloney is going nowhere soon I reckon.

Actually think there's signs of improvement. I totally get their game plan changes after they go 1 up yesterday. But after their goal Kev has **** all to do. We battered them for large parts second half and were moving the ball much quicker and getting into the box.

Melkersen really has to score as well. Fell really sorry for the boy. But luckily he doesn't seem short of confidence so I'm sure it won't affect him too much

What are these signs of improvement I am missing?

I see a team who do have a lot of the ball but they play it safe and rarely take a risk. As a result we don’t look like scoring until the odd occassion we do play an early ball into the danger zone. Like yesterdays goal.

[Unseen work]

What are folk actually hoping for?

Klopp in charge? A massive war chest to buy superstar players?

Things don't always work out the same as when your playing Football Manager FFS. Life's not that simple or easy.

We have a young manager, in his first job, trying to get us playing a system that will take time to bed in. You can see the players trying to do it.

We've played one up from for a long time but we've normally had fit strikers and it didn't particularly work under previous managers.

Now we're at the point that some fans are wanting to hound him out. As Hibs fans we have to have a lot of faith, hope and at the moment, an awful lot of charity. We just need to keep the faith

Thats the thing though, no one is expecting a Klopp or us to sign the best players. Suggesting some expect that is as bad as some suggesting the complete opposite.

Even though we’re in a transitional period, which we absolutely are, I still think it’s reasonable that we should have collected more points since he’s came in than we have. We’ve said we’ll get top 6 if only we beat Dundee, then St Johnstone, then Aberdeen, then United and now it’s down to we must beat Hearts.

You’d like to think we would have got a win in one of those games considering 3 of them are the bottom 3 in the league.

People aren’t expecting a miracle, more just a sign that we’re going in the right direction.

Yesterday was actually better, especially second half but I think the issue with many will be the damage/lost in faith has already happened and if we end up losing to Hearts, being in the bottom half of the table and out the Scottish cup I fear Maloney won’t win the fans back.

[Ronniekirk]

Yup. I’m not shouting for Maloney’s head, I’m just sick of watching a combination of ordinary players in Hibs strips, and laddies being asked to do mens’ jobs.

The boy Clarke was a bright spot today, for his goal and that he looked like a player that doesn’t hide and appears to have a bit of an appetite to play.

The fact he played almost 3/4 positions points to how short we are though, but in the saying of that I’d have put him up front for the last 15, so ineffectual was James Scott.

Bringing Scott on was a complete waste of time and an insult to young players trying to break through
He looked promising in his first game v Dundee and then couldn’t be bothered getting properly fit and had to be dropped from the squad
Maloney clearly doesn’t trust him to start a game so why not persevere with young Conner off the bench Someone kean to learn and wanting to try and impress
For me it sends out all the wrong messages and does Maloney no favours
Is there anyone that thinks Scott Deserves game time and brings anything to the team
Clarke has goals in his locker and we desperately need that just now


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[JohnM1875]

What are these signs of improvement I am missing?

I see a team who do have a lot of the ball but they play it safe and rarely take a risk. As a result we don’t look like scoring until the odd occassion we do play an early ball into the danger zone. Like yesterdays goal.

Think there's obvious signs of improvement recently (Pittodrie aside). Probably coinsides with having players coming back.

Think we're looking better going forward and moving the ball quicker, creating more chances and you can probably question the subs yesterday but you can't argue he went for the win.

Of course there's still spells where we play it safe as you say. But that happens at every team all over the world now. Football seems to have changed recently into this percentage based possession football and it's more boring for that.

[allezsauzee]

I would actually take some encouragement about Maloney's abilities as a manager from yesterday's game. While we dominated possession in the first half we were directionless in the last third. He made a sub and we seemed a lot more decisive in the 2nd half. I think he deserves credit for that. There was no lack of effort from the team yesterday and some better finishing and competent refereeing might have seen us get 3 points. Melkerson should have scored but remember he's just turned 19 and has never played at this level before. He's joined a new club in a foreign country with the season in full flow. I don't think we'd be relying on him to get the goals at this stage if Nisbet and Doidge were fit.

[Ronniekirk]

Anyone who actually thinks Maloney has to go is mental. Even worse are the folk that want Ross back. His football is the reason we are where we are.

Ask Aberdeen fans ,Glass was a young untried Manager Got off to a poor start but they stuck with him He steadied the ship got the January transfer window and they went back the way again then they had to bite the bullet as crowds were down and it was crystal clear he wasn’t going to get them into the top four and maybe not top six
For me the Jury is still out for Maloney
His saving grace is that what has happened to our three top scores was out his hands
But two defeats from Hearts in effect would end our season stone dead
An inexperienced Manager is then left to pick up the pieces and needs one hell of a summer transfer window with little time to gell a new team together
If results don’t go our way early he will be under immediate pressure
So I can understand why some are asking the questions they are
I will be at the Semi Final to support my team Just because we might get beat is no reason not to go Have seen plenty of defeats there in my 55 years of going to watch Hibs



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[J-C]

Just watching Sportscene and Maloney's interview is awful. Like he really struggles with them. How does he deliver a credible team talk when he can't string sentences together properly in post match interviews?


Really, I find his interviews are thoughtful rather than being hesitant. He doesn't just open his mouth and let the same old clichés come out, he stops to think about what he's about to say.
I watched the highlights last night and thought we were very dominant, some good attacking play in the 2nd half but for a little bit more composure should've scored at least another 2 goals. The subs bench shows how much recruitment we need to make us a far better team, we have a player on loan we can't send back, Allan who has regressed badly, Wright who's only playing due to lack of options, a young winger still settling in, a young defender similar to Hauge just settling in, Lewis and a backup keeper.

[Stevie Reid]

Why do you discount his penalty goals? Especially when he won the majority of those penalties himself.

If you look at all our goals scored in the 2 months before he left it reads:

All 3 goals v Rangers - Boyle hat trick, won penalty himself
Nisbet & Murphy v Saints - Suspended
Nisbet v Motherwell - not involved
Campbell v St Mirren - Rebound from a Boyle shot
McMullen OG v Dundee - Headed in a Boyle cross
Hanlon v Celtic - Boyle assist
Porteous v Aberdeen - Boyle Assist
Nisbet v D Utd - Boyle Assist
Cadden v D Utd - Boyle Assist
Murphy v D Utd - Boyle passed it to Murphy but won’t be credited with assist as Murphy played a one-two off the Utd defender before hitting it.

Of the 13 goals we scored he played a significant part in 10 of them.

I didn’t discount his penalty goals. I stated how many of his goals were penalties. Two very different things.

[WhileTheChief..]

I am certainly not calling for maloney to go as he needs to be given time

However I have yet to see much evidence that he will turn this around. That is what worries me

I accept we have had injuries and lost Boyle. These have not helped. Yesterday was a key game and the next two even more so now.

We all do, cause it’s facts!

The difference appears to be that some of us think we should have been doing a hell of a lot better despite this, whereas others will say these are the reasons we’ve been poor.

I think we’d still have been poor with Boyle here and a fully fit squad.

We should definitely have had better results despite us ‘transitioning’. Every squad in the league transitions every season, some just do it better than others!

[Key West]

Absolute garbage wanting Maloney to go, in managerial terms he is just in the door.

[gorgie greens]

Absolute garbage wanting Maloney to go, in managerial terms he is just in the door.

Exactly .What the club needs now is stability and a manager being given time, we have had the worse run of injuries i can remember along with losing our top scorer and supplier of goals. Refereeing has not done us much favours either .
Would give Malloney another 18 months minimum.

[Rondon]

Can we put this stupid post to bed now.

Maloneys not going anywhere even if he loses every game from now til the end of the season.

Shut up and support the team, this is diddy team talk!

[Ozyhibby]

Absolute garbage wanting Maloney to go, in managerial terms he is just in the door.

Seems to be the most common defence people are putting up for him.


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[bigwheel]

Exactly .What the club needs now is stability and a manager being given time, we have had the worse run of injuries i can remember along with losing our top scorer and supplier of goals. Refereeing has not done us much favours either .
Would give Malloney another 18 months minimum.

Teams make their own luck though …our form is no better than that which got Ross the boot ..Maloney’s impact has been completely underwhelming….not suggesting he should get the boot, but he’s got a “must do much better “ report card . Think we’ve won one league game in about 12-13 games …shocking

[Rondon]

Seems to be the most common defence people are putting up for him.


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What about the fact he took over a team in jan and has had multiple injuries, heavy lack of home atmosphere and a bunch of fans on his back after a couple of games putting even more pressure on him and the players. Players getting booed, and it’s also his first ever job.

How about all of that??????!

[bigwheel]

What about the fact he took over a team in jan and has had multiple injuries, heavy lack of home atmosphere and a bunch of fans on his back after a couple of games putting even more pressure on him and the players. Players getting booed, and it’s also his first ever job.

How about all of that??????!

Other than injuries , your defence of Maloney is mainly fans booing and lack of atmosphere ?

As for first job - that can get in the bin - not a good reason for not winning games

[bigwheel]

Maloney shouldn’t go - it’s a ridiculous post . But he’s not doing well enough. That’s for sure. One win in the last 7 or 8 at home . He’s tried to change things too much - a rookie manager mistake .. needs to wise up and get us playing with a bit more freedom . Too much tactics is the last thing we need just now . To finish outside the top six would be a massive failure . For Maloney and for the owners - would show their change has not worked this season …

[Is It On....]

It's tough to listen to Maloney after the game where he admits that it's 8 or 9 weeks now that he's been saying we need to improve our attacking play. And yet aside from shuffling the personnel a bit he continues to do the same things every week, same system, same lack of urgency, little support for our number 9, too many players behind the ball, too slow all over.

My friend sent me this post match transcript prediction before the game yesterday "We had a lot of possession in the first third and midfield, thought we let ourselves down with finishing and defensive but overall pleased with the performance despite the result and can't ask for more from players in terms of their commitment and effort"

We are in real trouble - our 4th top scorer this season has 3 goals - and we need both good recruitment in the summer and the manager to reflect on how he can get the best out of the players he has available at the start of the season.

[Key West]

Seems to be the most common defence people are putting up for him.


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Unless there's a massive injection of cash there's no short cut to being much better than our opponents, on every forum there's probably similar threads with fans wanting their managers out.

[bigwheel]

Unless there's a massive injection of cash there's no short cut to being much better than our opponents, on every forum there's probably similar threads with fans wanting their managers out.

We’ve got much more investment than more than half the division already …..performance in line with that would be fine and should be achievable

[Key West]

Maloney shouldn’t go - it’s a ridiculous post . But he’s not doing well enough. That’s for sure. One win in the last 7 or 8 at home . He’s tried to change things too much - a rookie manager mistake .. needs to wise up and get us playing with a bit more freedom . Too much tactics is the last thing we need just now . To finish outside the top six would be a massive failure . For Maloney and for the owners - would show their change has not worked this season …

Thought they played quite well yesterday, Melkerson should score with the late opportunity and everything is fine and then we have folk digging up stats without the details to put a different complexion on things when he misses.
Yes Maloney has to learn as he goes along as did Stubbs and other managers including Lennon that is the nature of the game.

[Key West]

We’ve got much more investment than more than half the division already …..performance in line with that would be fine and should be achievable

The investment is not enough to make us much better than the rest, even Celtic with their massive financial advantages struggle to beat ordinary teams including us recently.

[bigwheel]

Thought they played quite well yesterday, Melkerson should score with the late opportunity and everything is fine and then we have folk digging up stats without the details to put a different complexion on things when he misses.
Yes Maloney has to learn as he goes along as did Stubbs and other managers including Lennon that is the nature of the game.

Stubbs and particularly Lennon, played to the strengths of the players - and we played our best football in recent times as a result of that . Maloney is very technical and tactic heavy . For me, it’s been a big factor in how long it has taken for us to perform under him . Second half was decent , I agree about that . But yesterday was about result more than performance - we needed three points, and failed again .

[bigwheel]

The investment is not enough to make us much better than the rest, even Celtic with their massive financial advantages struggle to beat ordinary teams including us recently.

We don’t have to be much better..we just have to be consistently a little better ..we are Worse just now

[Northernhibee]

Other than injuries , your defence of Maloney is mainly fans booing and lack of atmosphere ?

As for first job - that can get in the bin - not a good reason for not winning games

Yep. None of this “he has a vision”, “he needs the summer window”, “you can’t keep sacking managers” and all that.

His job is to get Hibs winning football games. Mid to long term is the job of Ben Kensell and Steve Kean, guided by the managers input. Hibs shouldn’t be a vanity project to put on a CV. The squad desperately needed drastic work and we let ourselves get all giddy and distracted with the thought of a B team which would have waited to the summer.

He’s been backed very well in the winter window and we’ve gotten worse. We’re sticking with a system we can see does not suit us and has led to the majority of the football we play being some of the worst I’ve seen at Easter Road.

The more I see of him the more I think Hibs is just a little vanity project where the here and now urgently needs to be the absolute focus for us as we’re not in absolute free fall but not a million miles away from it. As I’ve said his objective is to get us winning games of football and he’s failing badly.

He can be punted but if he is then the follow up question has to be “who the hell thought it was a good idea?”.

[Rondon]

Other than injuries , your defence of Maloney is mainly fans booing and lack of atmosphere ?

As for first job - that can get in the bin - not a good reason for not winning games

Ok well take the first job but out then.

You genuinely think with the amount of injuries he’s had that’s not effected a poor team he inherited?

Look at Clarke yesterday, great example.

We are lacking a bit of creativity and support with crossing and goals from the midfield.

I watched that yesterday and think we aren’t that many players away from being a decent team.

But see this sack the manager after 3 months stuff it has to stop it’s embarrassing.

[LaMotta]

Ok well take the first job but out then.

You genuinely think with the amount of injuries he’s had that’s not effected a poor team he inherited?

Look at Clarke yesterday, great example.

We are lacking a bit of creativity and support with crossing and goals from the midfield.

I watched that yesterday and think we aren’t that many players away from being a decent team.

But see this sack the manager after 3 months stuff it has to stop it’s embarrassing.

If we win our next 2 games the manager out chat will be embarrasing.

If we lose them both then the most embarrasing thing will be us playing a set of meaningless bottom 6 fixtures in front of a 2/3rds empty Easter Road. Season ticket sales for next year would also take a hit, and the manager out chat becomes much more realistic.

[Key West]

We don’t have to be much better..we just have to be consistently a little better ..we are Worse just now

There's a fair bit of fine tuning going on just now and we've also lost key players, the indiscipline or poor officialdom aspect depending on how you see it hasn't helped. We've lost the previous goals of Boyle, Nisbet and Doidge when he was match fit and sharper.These are not excuses but details that are significant in relation to the poor stats.
My gripe is that we over complicate the game in this league, we need to mix it up more instead of believing totally in a passing game that is far to complex for the personal we actually have, it doesn't hurt to go from back to front now and again or running at your opponent more often as well as an emphasis on ball retention.Having a corner then working the ball back to the centre back because there is nothing obvious on is a nonsense, the game up here isn't that sophisticated, we're not playing Juventus every week.

[Rondon]

If we win our next 2 games the manager out chat will be embarrasing.

If we lose them both then the most embarrasing thing will be us playing a set of meaningless bottom 6 fixtures in front of a 2/3rds empty Easter Road. Season ticket sales for next year would also take a hit, and the manager out chat becomes much more realistic.


Listen, the chances of us beating hearts, by far 3rd best this season (no I’m not a jambo just being real) in the next 2 games with our team atm aren’t great.
I’m not judging maloney til he gets a full window in the summer.

And just to add, can people remember Duffy, Fenlon, and butcher?

They made Ross look like pep

[bigwheel]

There's a fair bit of fine tuning going on just now and we've also lost key players, the indiscipline or poor officialdom aspect depending on how you see it hasn't helped. We've lost the previous goals of Boyle, Nisbet and Doidge when he was match fit and sharper.These are not excuses but details that are significant in relation to the poor stats.
My gripe is that we over complicate the game in this league, we need to mix it up more instead of believing totally in a passing game that is far to complex for the personal we actually have, it doesn't hurt to go from back to front now and again or running at your opponent more often as well as an emphasis on ball retention.Having a corner then working the ball back to the centre back because there is nothing obvious on is a nonsense, the game up here isn't that sophisticated, we're not playing Juventus every week.

aligned with my views this - it’s the manager who has set this more specific technical approach to our game …the players won’t like it , they will want to be more free to do what they think is right .. it’s this complexity that I think is naive, and shows a lack of experience . It’s made it much harder to adapt to his way of playing.

[Key West]

aligned with my views this - it’s the manager who has set this more specific technical approach to our game …the players won’t like it , they will want to be more free to do what they think is right .. it’s this complexity that I think is naive, and shows a lack of experience . It’s made it much harder to adapt to his way of playing.

Agree and it is part of the learning process.

[B.H.F.C]

aligned with my views this - it’s the manager who has set this more specific technical approach to our game …the players won’t like it , they will want to be more free to do what they think is right .. it’s this complexity that I think is naive, and shows a lack of experience . It’s made it much harder to adapt to his way of playing.

I don’t think the complexity of what we are doing is his issue. I think we work the ball to the final third pretty well a lot of the time but it totally breaks down when we get there due to lack of quality in that area. Where I do have an issue with Maloney is that he’s just persisting with the same thing. I don’t think the forward players we have are going to suddenly develop the ability to do things they aren’t doing at the moment. For me, he just needs to do something just to have more bodies further up the park. There was one in the first half where there was a good ball getting Melkersen away and he ended up having to take the ball to the corner to let the rest of them catch up. Chance was gone by the time they did.

[bigwheel]

I don’t think the complexity of what we are doing is his issue. I think we work the ball to the final third pretty well a lot of the time but it totally breaks down when we get there due to lack of quality in that area. Where I do have an issue with Maloney is that he’s just persisting with the same thing. I don’t think the forward players we have are going to suddenly develop the ability to do things they aren’t doing at the moment. For me, he just needs to do something just to have more bodies further up the park. There was one in the first half where there was a good ball getting Melkersen away and he ended up having to take the ball to the corner to let the rest of them catch up. Chance was gone by the time they did.

All I’m saying is that our Players are following his defined tactics and approaches …he’s very specific as to what he wants (very detailed ). ….if it’s not working ( definitely too complex in my view) then it’s his doing .. he’s brought his beliefs to our team and it’s been a major change . Too much of a change , I’d argue . As a result we are not getting the best out of our players . Yesterday was a good example - it was all about result rather than performance . We didn’t get the win we needed . The fact we were better in the second half is of no real value . We are now in a hole for top six .

[Paulie Walnuts]

He’s been backed very well in the winter window and we’ve gotten worse. We’re sticking with a system we can see does not suit us and has led to the majority of the football we play being some of the worst I’ve seen at Easter Road.


He lost one of the best players in the league during the last window and got to replace him with guys with little first team experience. One of them had never played football on grass before.

I actually don’t blame Hibs for doing that but I’m not quite sure he was backed very well. He was left with a squad worse than the one that he started with.

[Northernhibee]

He lost one of the best players in the league during the last window and got to replace him with guys with little first team experience. One of them had never played football on grass before.

I actually don’t blame Hibs for doing that but I’m not quite sure he was backed very well. He was left with a squad worse than the one that he started with.

How many players did we bring in? We paid fees for Melkersen, Hauge, Mitchell - possibly more.

[Smartie]

I don’t think the complexity of what we are doing is his issue. I think we work the ball to the final third pretty well a lot of the time but it totally breaks down when we get there due to lack of quality in that area. Where I do have an issue with Maloney is that he’s just persisting with the same thing. I don’t think the forward players we have are going to suddenly develop the ability to do things they aren’t doing at the moment. For me, he just needs to do something just to have more bodies further up the park. There was one in the first half where there was a good ball getting Melkersen away and he ended up having to take the ball to the corner to let the rest of them catch up. Chance was gone by the time they did.

I don’t really “get” the 343 and the Maloney approach yet, but as I see it it is mainly breaking down around the 2 number 10s behind the striker.

To work, I think you need a peak Scott Allan and a Stevie Mallan+ playing there (ie still got the good shot but a whole lot more in addition). I also think you need your lone striker to be playing at the level of a peak Leigh Griffiths.

These players don’t exactly grow on trees for a club like Hibs and in the case of peak Allan and Griffiths, they’re amongst the best players we’ve had over the past couple of decades.

Currently we’re going with a 19 year old striker who is finding his feet and a couple of wingers in behind him. It’s hardly surprising imo that we don’t create much and that our greatest threat seems to come from our right wing back.

Until the good tackle in his own box late on and the good ball in for Melkerson’s sitter, I thought Mueller was woeful yesterday, really disappointing. Jasper was much quieter than he has been whilst he was on (I actually think he’s potentially a cracking player).

In my opinion we’re miles short of having the players able to play the way Maloney wants and I have doubts we’ll attract the players to do so.

We’ll see though.

[eastmainsmsh]

No doubting Shaun’s career and potential as a manager but it’s a results game after World Cup wouldn’t surprise me if Martinez has him at his next club will he be given a summer window

[A Hi-Bee]

Only 8 more pages to get to the 20 by tonight
:faf:

[Iain G]

Can we retitle the thread "Maloney has to go sign another forward and a midfielder for the number 6 role this summer" 😁

[Winston Ingram]

He has to go for me.

We took a huge risk appointing a rookie, and he’s performing like you’d expect a rookie to perform.

I’ve seen zero signs to suggest he’s going to turn it around.

Our football is so dull, we play with zero intensity and rarely look like scoring. His tactics and substitutions are mind boggling.

I’m sick to death watching us spend the vast majority of games passing the ball sideways and backwards on the half way line.

I’m absolutely dreading the next couple of games.

[SlickShoes]

Its quite funny that people keep listing the teams that are MUCH better than us, but in reality everyone from 4th down is as bad as eachother basically.

The only teams much better than us are old firm and hearts currently. We are having a terrible season, and its going to take a lot of work to get us back to our best, having a reasonably full squad would help, but we arent going to get that chance for a while.

Sacking manager after manager isn't realistic, and even if we did the new manager is not going to have his own players and still has to work with about 10 injuries and suspensions.

[SlickShoes]

He has to go for me.

We took a huge risk appointing a rookie, and he’s performing like you’d expect a rookie to perform.

I’ve seen zero signs to suggest he’s going to turn it around.

Our football is so dull, we play with zero intensity and rarely look like scoring. His tactics and substitutions are mind boggling.

I’m sick to death watching us spend the vast majority of games passing the ball sideways and backwards on the half way line.

I’m absolutely dreading the next couple of games.

That's not even remotely how yesterdays game went either, people are seeing what they want to see.

[A Hi-Bee]

Momentum is building, will we reach 20 pages in time, this debate is just so exiting and perhaps a wee bit close to call.
Should he stay or should he go now?

:faf:

[H18 SFR]

I liked Jack Ross - a lot, didn’t want him to go but was fearful when a section of the crowd started calling for him to be sacked at Livi that night.

I didn’t want Maloney but I’ve bought into the vision. If he loses one of the Derbies I can see the hounders starting their hounding, sadly, as no success in football is ever built in a matter of weeks, it takes time and plenty of it.

Hounders and going to hound, I just hope the supporters can support.

If Maloney is replaced the cycle will start again.

[Skol]

I liked Jack Ross - a lot, didn’t want him to go but was fearful when a section of the crowd started calling for him to be sacked at Livi that night.

I didn’t want Maloney but I’ve bought into the vision. If he loses one of the Derbies I can see the hounders starting their hounding, sadly, as no success in football is ever built in a matter of weeks, it takes time and plenty of it.

Hounders and going to hound, I just hope the supporters can support.

If Maloney is replaced the cycle will start again.

This is spot on IMO

We need to see something encouraging in the next two games though.

It’s funny how we all see things differently. I saw few positive signs yesterday. Others thought we looked good.

[B.H.F.C]

I liked Jack Ross - a lot, didn’t want him to go but was fearful when a section of the crowd started calling for him to be sacked at Livi that night.

I didn’t want Maloney but I’ve bought into the vision. If he loses one of the Derbies I can see the hounders starting their hounding, sadly, as no success in football is ever built in a matter of weeks, it takes time and plenty of it.

Hounders and going to hound, I just hope the supporters can support.

If Maloney is replaced the cycle will start again.

I’m no really in the Maloney out camp (yet) but you still need to deliver some form of results in the short term as well. His future is going to be defined in the next fortnight IMO. If he loses both, he can’t have any complaints if folk are on his back (not just based on those games but the fact he’s only won three league games).

[H18 SFR]

I’m no really in the Maloney out camp (yet) but you still need to deliver some form of results in the short term as well. His future is going to be defined in the next fortnight IMO. If he loses both, he can’t have any complaints if folk are on his back (not just based on those games but the fact he’s only won three league games).

Just out of interest, who would you replace him with if he doesn’t win in the immediate future?

[LeithMike]

For me, he just needs to do something just to have more bodies further up the park.

I completely agree with this. I wasn't there yesterday but in previous games I've seen our back 3 rarely cross the half way line which appears to be instruction from the management. We have two sitting central midfielders so that effectively leaves us with 5 players who are left to attack. This is easy to defend against for a mobile team who move up and down the park together (like Livingston).

We've got two decent wingers in Jasper and Mueller but they are being forced narrow and look a bit lost and struggle to pick up the ball with two wide midfielders in Cadden and Doig/Mitchell.

I think we'd get far more out of the team in a 4-3-3 /4-5-1 or even a 4-4-2 at the moment.

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[B.H.F.C]

Just out of interest, who would you replace him with if he doesn’t win in the immediate future?

I honestly have no idea but there are thousands of coaches and managers to choose from out there. I’d rather he just got a couple of positive results in the next fortnight and we could kick on from there.

[Waxy]

Lol he’s been here three months, hasnt reallly had a transfer window and has had a horrendous injury list.
Not to mention our best player being sold.
Get behind the club.

[H18 SFR]

Lol he’s been here three months, hasnt reallly had a transfer window and has had a horrendous injury list.
Not to mention our best player being sold.
Get behind the club.

Agree 100%

[ClermistonGreen]

Agree 100%
200%

[CapitalGreen]

I completely agree with this. I wasn't there yesterday but in previous games I've seen our back 3 rarely cross the half way line which appears to be instruction from the management. We have two sitting central midfielders so that effectively leaves us with 5 players who are left to attack. This is easy to defend against for a mobile team who move up and down the park together (like Livingston).

We've got two decent wingers in Jasper and Mueller but they are being forced narrow and look a bit lost and struggle to pick up the ball with two wide midfielders in Cadden and Doig/Mitchell.

I think we'd get far more out of the team in a 4-3-3 /4-5-1 or even a 4-4-2 at the moment.

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They were certainly getting across the half way line in Maloney’s first couple of of games. Unfortunately since then we’ve not once had our 3 first choice centre backs available at together, sometimes only having one of the three playing. This has probably resulted in a more safety first approach. Rocky was getting forward into the opposition half on a few occasions yesterday.

[Skol]

Lol he’s been here three months, hasnt reallly had a transfer window and has had a horrendous injury list.
Not to mention our best player being sold.
Get behind the club.

I agree with the injuries and losing Boyle. He did however have a full transfer window available to him.

[CapitalGreen]

I agree with the injuries and losing Boyle. He did however have a full transfer window available to him.

Boyle left on the 21st, he only had 10 days to try and replace him. Considering that in 3.5 years we haven’t come close to replacing the last player we sold for big money, replacing Boyle in 10 days was a big ask.

[Skol]

Boyle left on the 21st, he only had 10 days to try and replace him. Considering that in 3.5 years we haven’t come close to replacing the last player we sold for big money, replacing Boyle in 10 days was a big ask.

That’s a different point to not having a transfer window though.

Whilst it is true, they will have known of the bid before the sale went through. In addition there should have been a bit of forward planning for such an event.

[A Hi-Bee]

That’s a different point to not having a transfer window though.

Whilst it is true, they will have known of the bid before the sale went through. In addition there should have been a bit of forward planning for such an event.

Aye an that forward planning would be down to Maloney eh!

[Skol]

Aye an that forward planning would be down to Maloney eh!

He was in the job for a month before before Boyle left. If he didn’t do any forward a planning in that month then that’s a worry although I agree that he didn’t have as much time as ideal. However there must have been some thinking within the club.

[Hermit Crab]

If we lose to hearts and end up bottom 6 and then lose the semi final the following week then he will struggle to keep his job. We will have went from challenging for 3rd, to aiming for 4th to battling to avoid a potential relegation playoff. He was a risky appointment and so far the gamble has nowhere near paid off.

[CapitalGreen]

That’s a different point to not having a transfer window though.

Whilst it is true, they will have known of the bid before the sale went through. In addition there should have been a bit of forward planning for such an event.

There’s only so much forward planning you can do. Identifying replacements is one thing, the replacements being available and wanting to join when they are needed is another.

[Winston Ingram]

Lol he’s been here three months, hasnt reallly had a transfer window and has had a horrendous injury list.
Not to mention our best player being sold.
Get behind the club.

If he’s not had a transfer window, who was in charge during the last one?

[JohnM1875]

I 100% think Maloney will and should stay. But the 'not had a transfer window' stuff is strange. Sure we lost Boyle. But we signed Clarke, Mitchell, Jasper, Rocky and Hendo in January. All of which I actually think are good to decent signings.

Thought Rocky and Clarke in particular were good yesterday.

[Hermit Crab]

I 100% think Maloney will and should stay. But the 'not had a transfer window' stuff is strange. Sure we lost Boyle. But we signed Clarke, Mitchell, Jasper, Rocky and Hendo in January. All of which I actually think are good to decent signings.

Thought Rocky and Clarke in particular were good yesterday.


I thinks he's a bit of a bomb scare. Very casual and he scares me when facing his own own goal with an attacker chasing him down.

[Bristolhibby]

If we lose to hearts and end up bottom 6 and then lose the semi final the following week then he will struggle to keep his job. We will have went from challenging for 3rd, to aiming for 4th to battling to avoid a potential relegation playoff. He was a risky appointment and so far the gamble has nowhere near paid off.

Behave, he’s had what, 3 months?

Crazy reactions on this thread. I’ve never Sean a season like it for injuries and suspensions and losing Boyler at Christmas.

C’mon, let’s get back to this dimension.

J

[brog]

I 100% think Maloney will and should stay. But the 'not had a transfer window' stuff is strange. Sure we lost Boyle. But we signed Clarke, Mitchell, Jasper, Rocky and Hendo in January. All of which I actually think are good to decent signings.

Thought Rocky and Clarke in particular were good yesterday.

I agree, but most of our winter window signings were for the future. We didn't expect our Scotland striker to be out for months and I'm sure Maloney didn't expect Doidge to be so out of it. Similarly he wouldn't have expected our Captain and McGinn to be missing for such an extended period. Most of the above, plus Melkersen would have been eased in gently, instead they're regulars.

[JohnM1875]

I thinks he's a bit of a bomb scare. Very casual and he scares me when facing his own own goal with an attacker chasing him down.

I said the exact same before the game yesterday. Was saying I don't think we should actually trigger the option to buy. But I thought it was his best game in a Hibs shirt yesterday and hope he keeps that level up.

[Hermit Crab]

Behave, he’s had what, 3 months?

Crazy reactions on this thread. I’ve never Sean a season like it for injuries and suspensions and losing Boyler at Christmas.

C’mon, let’s get back to this dimension.

J


The harsh reality of this is if we lose to hearts in these two games the season is over. Its thats simple. He will have then lost a vast majority of the fans too. That is hard to recover from.

[BoomtownHibees]

The harsh reality of this is if we lose to hearts in these two games the season is over. Its thats simple. He will have then lost a vast majority of the fans too. That is hard to recover from.

What if we lose both but still get top 6?

[Hermit Crab]

What if we lose both but still get top 6?


Very unlikely outcome, we'd need Ross County, Aberdeen , Motherwell, Livingston and St Mirren to lose or draw and hope we pick up at least a point at Tynecaatle. Its a big ask for everything to go in our favour.

Livingston v Motherwell - Home win

Aberdeen v Ross County - Home win

St Mirren v Rangers - Away win


IMO of course

Can hearts not secure 3rd next week and resign us to the bottom 6? Double whammy for us.

Absolute disaster of a season regardless.

[HoboHarry]

I honestly have no idea but there are thousands of coaches and managers to choose from out there. I’d rather he just got a couple of positive results in the next fortnight and we could kick on from there.

Always the same answer when posters start shouting about firing the coach, rarely any realistic ideas about who would replace him. Oh and the notion that there are thousands of coaches out there available, qualified, risk free and willing to come to Hibs is laughable

[JohnM1875]

Very unlikely outcome, we'd need Ross County, Aberdeen , Motherwell, Livingston and St Mirren to lose or draw and hope we pick up at least a point at Tynecaatle. Its a big ask for everything to go in our favour.

Motherwell v Livingston - Home win

Aberdeen v Ross County - Home win

St Mirren v Rangers - Away win


IMO of course

Motherwell are away to Livi at are they not? All on the Aberdeen - County game for me seeing as Motherwell are above us anyway.

[Hermit Crab]

Motherwell are away to Livi at are they not? All on the Aberdeen - County game for me seeing as Motherwell are above us anyway.


Aye, post edited. We still need a lot to go for us next week.

[JohnM1875]

Aye, post edited. We still need a lot to go for us next week.

Completely agree. The only positive to take from it I guess is its still in our own hands. But we need a performance and result otherwise it'll be bottom six I reckon.

[BoomtownHibees]

Very unlikely outcome, we'd need Ross County, Aberdeen , Motherwell, Livingston and St Mirren to lose or draw and hope we pick up at least a point at Tynecaatle. Its a big ask for everything to go in our favour.

Livingston v Motherwell - Home win

Aberdeen v Ross County - Home win

St Mirren v Rangers - Away win


IMO of course

Can hearts not secure 3rd next week and resign us to the bottom 6? Double whammy for us.

Absolute disaster of a season regardless.

Aberdeen v Ross County - draw
Livingston not to win v Motherwell
Huns to beat St Mirren

Don’t lose by 5 at Tynecastle. Probably our best hope as don’t see us winning next week.

But agree about the disaster of a season part

[Callum_62]

Aberdeen v Ross County - draw
Livingston not to win v Motherwell
Huns to beat St Mirren

Don’t lose by 5 at Tynecastle. Probably our best hope as don’t see us winning next week.

But agree about the disaster of a season partWe might still win the Scottish Cup

Wouldnt label that a disaster

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[B.H.F.C]

Always the same answer when posters start shouting about firing the coach, rarely any realistic ideas about who would replace him. Oh and the notion that there are thousands of coaches out there available, qualified, risk free and willing to come to Hibs is laughable

Equally, one of the big reasons for not getting rid of a manager is the old ‘who would replace him’ argument. There will never be any shortage of interest when the Huns job comes up. I’m not, at this moment, even looking for Maloney to be binned. But if he was to lose both these games to Hearts it would be really difficult for him to come back from and he couldn’t really have any argument if he was (based on our inability to win or even score goals regularly).

[Paulie Walnuts]

How many players did we bring in? We paid fees for Melkersen, Hauge, Mitchell - possibly more.

We did indeed. Melkersen had never kicked a ball on grass before, we actually said that Hague was for the development team when he signed.

He might well have got to bring players in but he also had a wonderful player sold from underneath him. The players coming in were never going to be able to replace Boyle and in the case of Melkersen, he was clearly not going to be able to play straight away. We’ve now been left with a poorer squad.

I’m not sure that can be dressed up as being very well backed. Being very well backed would have been more along the lines of keeping Boyle and also adding to the squad. Losing a player for £3m and a fraction of that money being spent isn’t great backing.

[JohnM1875]

We did indeed. Melkersen had never kicked a ball on grass before, we actually said that Hague was for the development team when he signed.

He might well have got to bring players in but he also had a wonderful player sold from underneath him. The players coming in were never going to be able to replace Boyle and in the case of Melkersen, he was clearly not going to be able to play straight away. We’ve now been left with a poorer squad.

I’m not sure that can be dressed up as being very well backed. Being very well backed would have been more along the lines of keeping Boyle and also adding to the squad. Losing a player for £3m and a fraction of that money being spent isn’t great backing.

Maloney was backed in January. I'd be surprised if that isn't the most we've ever spent in a January transfer window.

He has a lot that has gone against him with injuries and losing Boyle. But backing isn't one of them. Fully expect him to be backed again in the summer.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Maloney was backed in January. I'd be surprised if that isn't the most we've ever spent in a January transfer window.

He has a lot that has gone against him with injuries and losing Boyle. But backing isn't one of them. Fully expect him to be backed again in the summer.

We can spend what we like. We lost £3m worth of player though and brought in nothing like that. We’re a poorer squad now than we were before January. It’s not a criticism of Hibs but calling it ‘really well backed’ so you can use it as a stick to beat Maloney with is conveniently missing out the £3m hole in our team he’s been left with.

[Northernhibee]

We did indeed. Melkersen had never kicked a ball on grass before, we actually said that Hague was for the development team when he signed.

He might well have got to bring players in but he also had a wonderful player sold from underneath him. The players coming in were never going to be able to replace Boyle and in the case of Melkersen, he was clearly not going to be able to play straight away. We’ve now been left with a poorer squad.

I’m not sure that can be dressed up as being very well backed. Being very well backed would have been more along the lines of keeping Boyle and also adding to the squad. Losing a player for £3m and a fraction of that money being spent isn’t great backing.

Name me one person surprised when the sale of Boyle was announced. News of the Saudi interest was there for weeks.

It’s all fair and well saying we signed loads of players not ready for first team action but - newsflash - we chose to focus on a vanity project instead when we knew the first team was threadbare and we were away to lose Boyle.

Either Maloney went along with it, chose that as his plan of action, or needed to shout about it and be stronger to ensure that we fixed our first team issues before a B team idea we all of a sudden got giddy and distracted by.

Very serious questions to be asked of the recruitment and football departments in this mess as well.

[Sir David Gray]

Very unlikely outcome, we'd need Ross County, Aberdeen , Motherwell, Livingston and St Mirren to lose or draw and hope we pick up at least a point at Tynecaatle. Its a big ask for everything to go in our favour.

Livingston v Motherwell - Home win

Aberdeen v Ross County - Home win

St Mirren v Rangers - Away win


IMO of course

Can hearts not secure 3rd next week and resign us to the bottom 6? Double whammy for us.

Absolute disaster of a season regardless.

Motherwell are ahead of us by a point anyway so we don't need them to lose and in fact because they're playing Livingston we want Motherwell to pick up at least a point.

If we lose to Hearts then we'll still make the top six as long as St Mirren don't beat Rangers, Aberdeen and Ross County draw and Livingston either lose to Motherwell or draw (and we avoid a five goal defeat to Hearts).

I personally think Aberdeen will beat Ross County so we will likely need a win next week.

[JohnM1875]

We can spend what we like. We lost £3m worth of player though and brought in nothing like that. We’re a poorer squad now than we were before January. It’s not a criticism of Hibs but calling it ‘really well backed’ so you can use it as a stick to beat Maloney with is conveniently missing out the £3m hole in our team he’s been left with.

We were never going to be able to replace Boyle in January especially how late in the window we lost him. But because we didn't directly replace Boyle doesn't mean he wasn't backed. We signed six players who are regular starters in January. To me, that's backing.

[blackpoolhibs]

We did indeed. Melkersen had never kicked a ball on grass before, we actually said that Hague was for the development team when he signed.

He might well have got to bring players in but he also had a wonderful player sold from underneath him. The players coming in were never going to be able to replace Boyle and in the case of Melkersen, he was clearly not going to be able to play straight away. We’ve now been left with a poorer squad.

I’m not sure that can be dressed up as being very well backed. Being very well backed would have been more along the lines of keeping Boyle and also adding to the squad. Losing a player for £3m and a fraction of that money being spent isn’t great backing.

Utter nonsence, we spent a small fortune on players not ready for 1st team football, but thats ok as we MIGHT have a decent team next season?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Utter nonsence, we spent a small fortune on players not ready for 1st team football, but thats ok as we MIGHT have a decent team next season?

What on earth are you talking about, who mentioned next season? Or it being ok? :confused:

Infact my post specifically suggests that Maloney could argue he wasn’t given adequate backing because a good few of the players signed weren’t going to be available instantly to replace a player who carried the team.

I’m actually not even sure who you’re arguing with, myself or Northernhibee.

Strange post.

[WhileTheChief..]

Momentum is building, will we reach 20 pages in time, this debate is just so exiting and perhaps a wee bit close to call.
Should he stay or should he go now?

:faf:

Just ignore this thread and go read the Maloney Must Stay one. You'll find more people there that agree with you

How many pages do you think it will get to?

[blackpoolhibs]

What on earth are you talking about, who mentioned next season? Or it being ok? :confused:

Infact my post specifically suggests that Maloney could argue he wasn’t given adequate backing because a good few of the players signed weren’t going to be available instantly to replace a player who carried the team.

I’m actually not even sure who you’re arguing with, myself or Northernhibee.

Strange post.
I’m not sure that can be dressed up as being very well backed

Utter nonsence, we've spent big with fee's and wages, on the off chance our novice manager might be successfull some time in the future.

Why did he not bring in players for the here and now, especially as he lost Boyle?

[Paulie Walnuts]

I’m not sure that can be dressed up as being very well backed

Utter nonsence, we've spent big with fee's and wages, on the off chance our novice manager might be successfull some time in the future.

Why did he not bring in players for the here and now, especially as he lost Boyle?

That’s why we spent money? On the off chance our novice manager might be successful in future? :confused:

And it’s my post that’s apparently nonsense? :faf:

[Keith_M]

We might still win the Scottish Cup

Wouldnt label that a disaster

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And I could (theoretically, of course) get a call from Kaley Cuoco to ask me to move to her mansion in California and be her love slave for the rest of my days.

I'm not betting on either of those things happening, though.

[truehibernian]

Shaun Maloney has the right ideas as to how he wants the side to play, and given he has only had the winter window, one which is notoriously hard to get players in, he needs time and a few windows before any real judgement can be made. I don't think he was/is happy with the squad he inherited and he is rightly trying to balance praising those here and giving them an opportunity to prove him wrong. In summer I can see him being ruthless and the likes of Scott, Wright, Allan, and Doidge will go.

The midfield area needs pace, power and creativity through the lines. We need two additional strikers and start the season with four competing for one or two places up top. We also need to add two centre halves. That's around 7 players in already.

I'm optimistic about Maloney's future and the squad looking very different next season. Some of the possession football is good, the players can't be accused of not trying, they pushed to the 94th minute to get a winner yesterday and looked by far the better side second half. United have been impressive away from home this season too. Need that midfield refreshed and please :pray: can we start the season having four strikers !!!!

[B.H.F.C]

Shaun Maloney has the right ideas as to how he wants the side to play, and given he has only had the winter window, one which is notoriously hard to get players in, he needs time and a few windows before any real judgement can be made. I don't think he was/is happy with the squad he inherited and he is rightly trying to balance praising those here and giving them an opportunity to prove him wrong. In summer I can see him being ruthless and the likes of Scott, Wright, Allan, and Doidge will go.

The midfield area needs pace, power and creativity through the lines. We need two additional strikers and start the season with four competing for one or two places up top. We also need to add two centre halves. That's around 7 players in already.

I'm optimistic about Maloney's future and the squad looking very different next season. Some of the possession football is good, the players can't be accused of not trying, they pushed to the 94th minute to get a winner yesterday and looked by far the better side second half. United have been impressive away from home this season too. Need that midfield refreshed and please :pray: can we start the season having four strikers !!!!

I think it’s pretty clear he doesn’t rate Doidge. Not actually seen anything mentioned about him but presume he missed yesterday through injury. Can’t imagine with no other strikers he’d have just bombed him out the squad.

[Paulie Walnuts]

We were never going to be able to replace Boyle in January especially how late in the window we lost him. But because we didn't directly replace Boyle doesn't mean he wasn't backed. We signed six players who are regular starters in January. To me, that's backing.

We also sold the player that carried the team after 3 games of him being in the job. To me that isn’t backing.

A bit of backing here mixed with a bit of not backing there doesn’t equate to really well backed in my eyes as was initially suggested.

[Hibiza]

Stick in Shaun - we / you not far away. Harry , Demi and Kyle fit a top four was there .

[truehibernian]

I think it’s pretty clear he doesn’t rate Doidge. Not actually seen anything mentioned about him but presume he missed yesterday through injury. Can’t imagine with no other strikers he’d have just no bed him out the squad.

I like Doidge, I do however think he rushed back and came back too soon from injury, whether that was the player wanting to because we were on a poor run I don't know - but he is a good player and offers a lot in a front two.

I think we need experience and more power however in that area. Oh for a Mixu :greengrin

[JohnM1875]

We also sold the player that carried the team after 3 games of him being in the job. To me that isn’t backing.

A bit of backing here mixed with a bit of not backing there doesn’t equate to really well backed in my eyes as was initially suggested.

So by your definition the only way for Maloney to be backed was to directly replace your best player like for like?

[Paulie Walnuts]

So by your definition the only way for Maloney to be backed was to directly replace your best player like for like?

Or don’t sell him 3 games into the new managers tenure when the player in question is not a kick in the arse off a one man team? It’s hardly giving a new manager the tools to do a good job is it?

[JohnM1875]

Or don’t sell him 3 games into the new managers tenure when the player in question is not a kick in the arse off a one man team? It’s hardly giving a new manager the tools to do a good job is it?

There's absolutely no way the club were going to refuse Boyle that opportunity. Its literally life changing for him and his family. Boyle wanted it and we got great money for him.

We then went on to sign six first team players to add to a squad desperately needing depth.

I won't ever argue with someone stating the importance of Boyle. You're spot on that we miss his quality.

[Paulie Walnuts]

There's absolutely no way the club were going to refuse Boyle that opportunity. Its literally life changing for him and his family. Boyle wanted it and we got great money for him.

We then went on to sign six first team players to add to a squad desperately needing depth.

I won't ever argue with someone stating the importance of Boyle. You're spot on that we miss his quality.

They might well not have. And as I’ve said, I don’t blame the club for taking the deal.

The club could have rejected the deal though and said he could go in the summer when we’d have a much better chance of replacing him/signing better players.

Regardless of whether they’d have ever rejected it or not though, I think the club has to accept that with selling Boyle and the £3m we brought in, we also massively hamstrung the new manager. Doing that isn’t backing him very well to me. The new signings helped to soften the blow, but overall I would never in a million years call the transfer window we had backing him very well. I’m sure the club will be more than aware of that when making any decisions on Maloney as well.

[CentreLine]

Just out of interest, who would you replace him with if he doesn’t win in the immediate future?

I did not want to see JR sacked but since he was, I would have replaced him with Jim Goodwin. That ship has sailed too though, so, those that can handle yet another ‘transition’ should get behind SM and see where it takes us.

[JohnM1875]

They might well not have. And as I’ve said, I don’t blame the club for taking the deal.

The club could have rejected the deal though and said he could go in the summer when we’d have a much better chance of replacing him/signing better players.

Regardless of whether they’d have ever rejected it or not though, I think the club has to accept that with selling Boyle and the £3m we brought in, we also massively hamstrung the new manager. Doing that isn’t backing him very well to me. I’m sure the club will be more than aware of that when making any decisions on Maloney as well.

I do get your point. But for me the only way I could say Maloney hasn't been backed would be if we sold Boyle then didn't sign folk. But we did. We signed over half a starting 11 in January. Melkersen is so young so maybe just under a starting 11.

Anyway, I don't think Maloney should be judged on that either really, considering Clarke and Mitchell signed then almost immediately got injured.

[Is It On....]

Momentum is building, will we reach 20 pages in time, this debate is just so exiting and perhaps a wee bit close to call.
Should he stay or should he go now?

:faf:

Or go Straight to Hell...

[A Hi-Bee]

I think it’s pretty clear he doesn’t rate Doidge. Not actually seen anything mentioned about him but presume he missed yesterday through injury. Can’t imagine with no other strikers he’d have just bombed him out the squad.

Think he is out ill, anyway he has not even been half the player he was before, not sure if he ever will be, sad to say.

:flag::flag:

[CentreLine]

I thinks he's a bit of a bomb scare. Very casual and he scares me when facing his own own goal with an attacker chasing him down.

Did you see that mazy run he went on in the second half. Thought I was watching Jim Black

[hibsbollah]

It's not unfortunately and one of the reasons we are heading for the embarrassment of the bottom six.

My point was, it’s not a commonplace result historically, and in isolation a point against the Arabs at home isn’t anything to be calling for the managers head over. It’s the Huns and the Tims that get to do that. We got a point. We have two defining derbies coming up that will shape our season. In fact, the point could be handy for top six. Performances aren’t there yet but sacking the manager is just baby talk if you ask me. Grow a collective pair.

[Tyler Durden]

Or don’t sell him 3 games into the new managers tenure when the player in question is not a kick in the arse off a one man team? It’s hardly giving a new manager the tools to do a good job is it?

Maloney was well aware that Boyle would be likely to leave when he took the job. Of course he’s been well backed.

[MWHIBBIES]

What if we lose both but still get top 6?

Then it will still be utter *****.

Sneaking top 6 to get pumped in the games, after losing a semi to Hearts is pretty much my idea of hell.

[Alfred E Newman]

I’m not sure that can be dressed up as being very well backed

Utter nonsence, we've spent big with fee's and wages, on the off chance our novice manager might be successfull some time in the future.

Why did he not bring in players for the here and now, especially as he lost Boyle?

As I pointed out on the transfer thread and was shot down for saying it, bringing in signings who we hope will develop into good players is ok but pinning all your hopes on them is a recipe for disaster. There has to be a balance to it.

[The Modfather]

I completely agree with this. I wasn't there yesterday but in previous games I've seen our back 3 rarely cross the half way line which appears to be instruction from the management. We have two sitting central midfielders so that effectively leaves us with 5 players who are left to attack. This is easy to defend against for a mobile team who move up and down the park together (like Livingston).

We've got two decent wingers in Jasper and Mueller but they are being forced narrow and look a bit lost and struggle to pick up the ball with two wide midfielders in Cadden and Doig/Mitchell.

I think we'd get far more out of the team in a 4-3-3 /4-5-1 or even a 4-4-2 at the moment.

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To add to the 5 non creative players you mention. Cadden & Doig, who I both like and are real athletes, don’t actually score or assist very often despite the good work they do and the positions they get into. That effectively leaves 3 positions we’re solely reliant on to create. With a pool of Mitchell,Henderson, Nisbet, Doidge, Melkerson, Mueller & Jasper to pick a 3 from. None of which have convinced and only shown fleeting glimpses of quality. It’s not surprising we’re so toothless in front of goal IMO.

Clarke looks like he might add a goal threat but that’s pretty damning when our new defender/wingback looks like he could be our biggest goal threat. Jasper is raw but I think he can be moulded into a good player. Same with Melkerson. It’s maybe unfair to judge Mueller until he has a pre season and a proper position but I’ve not seen anything special from him.

Newell is the one who bugs me. For all the talent and platitudes he gets, he’s one of our most experienced players. When does he ever take a game like yesterday by the scruff of the neck and make the difference. He plays within his comfort zone IMO when we need him to break forward and get ahead of the ball and get into the box consistently.

[Smartie]

To add to the 5 non creative players you mention. Cadden & Doig, who I both like and are real athletes, don’t actually score or assist very often despite the good work they do and the positions they get into. That effectively leaves 3 positions we’re solely reliant on to create. With a pool of Mitchell,Henderson, Nisbet, Doidge, Melkerson, Mueller & Jasper to pick a 3 from. None of which have convinced and only shown fleeting glimpses of quality. It’s not surprising we’re so toothless in front of goal IMO.

Clarke looks like he might add a goal threat but that’s pretty damning when our new defender/wingback looks like he could be our biggest goal threat. Jasper is raw but I think he can be moulded into a good player. Same with Melkerson. It’s maybe unfair to judge Mueller until he has a pre season and a proper position but I’ve not seen anything special from him.

Newell is the one who bugs me. For all the talent and platitudes he gets, he’s one of our most experienced players. When does he ever take a game like yesterday by the scruff of the neck and make the difference. He plays within his comfort zone IMO when we need him to break forward and get ahead of the ball and get into the box consistently.

I thought Newell was coming onto a game yesterday when he went off, but during the first half he was as anonymous as he’s ever been. That was a large chunk of the game where he really had minimal impact.

Rather than being someone who proactively influences games, I’m starting to think he gets carried along and looks good when we play well and disappears when we don’t. That’s not what we need from a key player in a key position.

[The Modfather]

I thought Newell was coming onto a game yesterday when he went off, but during the first half he was as anonymous as he’s ever been. That was a large chunk of the game where he really had minimal impact.

Rather than being someone who proactively influences games, I’m starting to think he gets carried along and looks good when we play well and disappears when we don’t. That’s not what we need from a key player in a key position.

I’ve thought that for a long time. When we’re playing well he is good, when we’re not playing well or having one of those horror show performances we were/are capable of he’s as bad/anonymous as everyone else. He’s proven that he’s not someone who can lead the team out of a bad performance he just follows the flow of everyone else.

He’s the least of our midfield problems, but as I’ve said before I still see him as closer to part of the problem than part of the solution. Both midfield positions/all 3 positions, depending on formations, would be my priority and starting point in the summer rebuild.

[Hermit Crab]

Then it will still be utter *****.

Sneaking top 6 to get pumped in the games, after losing a semi to Hearts is pretty much my idea of hell.

Thats exactly what would happen. Horrendous.

[FitbaFolkKen]

Always the same answer when posters start shouting about firing the coach, rarely any realistic ideas about who would replace him. Oh and the notion that there are thousands of coaches out there available, qualified, risk free and willing to come to Hibs is laughable

To be fair we had a qualified coach with the best top flight win rate we had for 50 years and we hounded him out.


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[Mike Berry]

To be fair we had a qualified coach with the best top flight win rate we had for 50 years and we hounded him out.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYeah, but he's gone.

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[FitbaFolkKen]

Yeah, but he's gone.

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Aye he is, bit unfortunate that.


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[Mike Berry]

Aye he is, bit unfortunate that.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkNo point in talking about it really. It's over and done with.

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[fife hfc]

He has to go for me.

We took a huge risk appointing a rookie, and he’s performing like you’d expect a rookie to perform.

I’ve seen zero signs to suggest he’s going to turn it around.

Our football is so dull, we play with zero intensity and rarely look like scoring. His tactics and substitutions are mind boggling.

I’m sick to death watching us spend the vast majority of games passing the ball sideways and backwards on the half way line.

I’m absolutely dreading the next couple of games.This is how I feel. How people think yesterdays football was good, shows how far standards have fallen in the last few seasons. Our attacking play is almost non existent and we very rarely put teams under any sustained pressure. Yes to me the football is boring and Maloney decision making is totally baffling. I want him to succeed but just can't see it. I also believe we could easily get pulled into the play off place if we, more than likely, finish in the bottom six.

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[madhatter]

To be fair we had a qualified coach with the best top flight win rate we had for 50 years and we hounded him out.


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Would he have had that win rate across a season if it wasn't largely played behind closed doors? We'll never know but we can know that a fair few of those wins in that good season under Jack Ross were tight, marginal, and with Doidge, Nisbet and Boyle all scoring fairly freely. Take Boyle out of Jack Ross team and I think you would end up with what we currently have under Maloney - we've been slow, ponderous and unentertaining in attack for a while. That season under Jack Ross we also did not require as many changes in the defence as we've had this season, every week we have a different defence.

Did we hound him out or did Ron Gordon just want a change after Jack Ross (not his man) endured a horrendous run of form which did not look like stopping. Let's be honest, it was spiralling. Even then he split the fanbase, some were behind him. Some were not. Most were just done with Hibs and sitting at home in a mood or walking away from ER ranting. Jack Ross being hounded out of Hibs is a hyperbole.

[PolmontHibby]

Would he have had that win rate across a season if it wasn't largely played behind closed doors? We'll never know but we can know that a fair few of those wins in that good season under Jack Ross were tight, marginal, and with Doidge, Nisbet and Boyle all scoring fairly freely. Take Boyle out of Jack Ross team and I think you would end up with what we currently have under Maloney - we've been slow, ponderous and unentertaining in attack for a while. That season under Jack Ross we also did not require as many changes in the defence as we've had this season, every week we have a different defence.

Did we hound him out or did Ron Gordon just want a change after Jack Ross (not his man) endured a horrendous run of form which did not look like stopping. Let's be honest, it was spiralling. Even then he split the fanbase, some were behind him. Some were not. Most were just done with Hibs and sitting at home in a mood or walking away from ER ranting. Jack Ross being hounded out of Hibs is a hyperbole.

Cannot really comment on a lot of the opinions expressed, but what can be said based on actual results is that Jack Ross had a very decent record season 2019/20 in front of crowds (and without Boyle banging in as many goals) before lockdown occurred - in fact the best win % over those games since the Mowbray reign. He seemed to have the skill set to get the best out of Allan and Doidge during those games.

[overdrive]

Did we hound him out or did Ron Gordon just want a change after Jack Ross (not his man) endured a horrendous run of form which did not look like stopping.

I’ve seen this said a few times on here that either Ross wasn’t Gordon’s man or he was here before Gordon bought the club.

Gordon sacked Heckingbottom, Ross was definitely his man (yes Dempster will have lead that process but he will absolutely have had a big input and signed off on that appointment.

[Callum_62]

Gash league
No fans

Is that why we finished 3rd now?

Gosh.

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[FitbaFolkKen]

Would he have had that win rate across a season if it wasn't largely played behind closed doors? We'll never know but we can know that a fair few of those wins in that good season under Jack Ross were tight, marginal, and with Doidge, Nisbet and Boyle all scoring fairly freely. Take Boyle out of Jack Ross team and I think you would end up with what we currently have under Maloney - we've been slow, ponderous and unentertaining in attack for a while. That season under Jack Ross we also did not require as many changes in the defence as we've had this season, every week we have a different defence.

Did we hound him out or did Ron Gordon just want a change after Jack Ross (not his man) endured a horrendous run of form which did not look like stopping. Let's be honest, it was spiralling. Even then he split the fanbase, some were behind him. Some were not. Most were just done with Hibs and sitting at home in a mood or walking away from ER ranting. Jack Ross being hounded out of Hibs is a hyperbole.

Are you actually saying it’s the fans fault the results are worse? Or are you saying it isn’t Jack Ross’s fault doing when we played well, that was down to the players, but it is his fault when they didn’t play well? It can’t be both. You also can’t take players out, that’s the squad and by and large he tailored it to get successful results. Playing to a strength, Boyle, should be commended as opposed to rigidly sticking to systems.

We didn’t require many defensive changes? Maybe we just managed the player conditioning well that season? Why can we only seem to look at things ina negative light instead of looking back and thinking maybe we did something well there?

Spiralling is interesting, we use that run of 1 win in 9, but disregard a fantastic performance against rangers. Yet our form has been garbage with one league win this year.

If we are being honest, it will be a long time before we see a manager achieve the standards Jack did.

I’m happy to move forward and hope Maloney does well but the fact so many of our support seem so keen to think we can do better than a manager that finishes 3rd, and gets semi final, final, final in three cup competitions is ludicrous.

[Hermit Crab]

You think this thread is full of knee jerks and bed wetters? Read this beauty.

https://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/topic/334089-gvb-out/

[Hibernia&Alba]

I think it's far too soon to discuss sacking the guy. I agree his brand of football thus far is poor to watch and that it's a slog, but give him a chance. It takes time to for new ideas to take effect; it's a process. I think we need to give Maloney a reasonable amount of time before deeming his tenure a failure. A bit of patience and let's see if we can develop.

[madhatter]

Are you actually saying it’s the fans fault the results are worse? Or are you saying it isn’t Jack Ross’s fault doing when we played well, that was down to the players, but it is his fault when they didn’t play well? It can’t be both. You also can’t take players out, that’s the squad and by and large he tailored it to get successful results. Playing to a strength, Boyle, should be commended as opposed to rigidly sticking to systems.

We didn’t require many defensive changes? Maybe we just managed the player conditioning well that season? Why can we only seem to look at things ina negative light instead of looking back and thinking maybe we did something well there?

Spiralling is interesting, we use that run of 1 win in 9, but disregard a fantastic performance against rangers. Yet our form has been garbage with one league win this year.

If we are being honest, it will be a long time before we see a manager achieve the standards Jack did.

I’m happy to move forward and hope Maloney does well but the fact so many of our support seem so keen to think we can do better than a manager that finishes 3rd, and gets semi final, final, final in three cup competitions is ludicrous.

I'm trying to argue realistically (without "good old days" mindset) on Jack Ross' time to give some perspective on why Maloney needs more time and why it might be a more difficult time for Maloney. Nothing else.

League has changed since our good season. Yes, we can give credit for what we did well but ultimately we gave ourselves too much and patted ourselves on the back when every other team strengthened. The club and Jack Ross were ridiculous in the summer transfer window. Really stupid, we had to strengthen and now we pay the price.

Managed player conditioning? Have no idea how that feeds into injuries like Nisbet's. Add in our idiotic suspensions this season as well. McGinn, Porteous and Hanlon have all had at least 1 each.

People got criticised for wanting Jack Ross gone. Alot of "no manager is ever good enough for Hibs due to fans". I'd like to spin that back on those that said that, we've now got a section of our support that are almost saying "no manager will ever be as good as Jack Ross".

He comes up in conversations why our current manager should get the sack after 3 months in the job. When someone gives a breakdown on why things are different now to then, we then get a rendition of how good Jack Ross was.

When does Jack Ross stop being the benchmark? That says more about the club, our history and fan base than anything else. Have 1 good season and it'll be a long time until anybody else matches that...

Jack Ross is gone. Unbelievable that we have threads about "Why did we sack Jack Ross?" and "Maloney has to go". Happy to move on? I find that hard to believe. Some of your phrasing around Jack Ross makes him sound like a hero. Every manager from now on has no chance.

[Since452]

I'm trying to argue realistically (without "good old days" mindset) on Jack Ross' time to give some perspective on why Maloney needs more time and why it might be a more difficult time for Maloney. Nothing else.

League has changed since our good season. Yes, we can give credit for what we did well but ultimately we gave ourselves too much and patted ourselves on the back when every other team strengthened. The club and Jack Ross were ridiculous in the summer transfer window. Really stupid, we had to strengthen and now we pay the price.

Managed player conditioning? Have no idea how that feeds into injuries like Nisbet's. Add in our idiotic suspensions this season as well. McGinn, Porteous and Hanlon have all had at least 1 each.

People got criticised for wanting Jack Ross gone. Alot of "no manager is ever good enough for Hibs due to fans". I'd like to spin that back on those that said that, we've now got a section of our support that are almost saying "no manager will ever be as good as Jack Ross".

He comes up in conversations why our current manager should get the sack after 3 months in the job. When someone gives a breakdown on why things are different now to then, we then get a rendition of how good Jack Ross was.

When does Jack Ross stop being the benchmark? That says more about the club, our history and fan base than anything else. Have 1 good season and it'll be a long time until anybody else matches that...

Jack Ross is gone. Unbelievable that we have threads about "Why did we sack Jack Ross?" and "Maloney has to go". Happy to move on? I find that hard to believe. Some of your phrasing around Jack Ross makes him sound like a hero. Every manager from now on has no chance.

I don't blame Ross for the summer transfer window. He publicly stated on a few occasions that he needed more attacking and defensive options. You don't do that unless you're getting frustrated. The club them gave him James Scott and Nathan Wood. Really, really poor. We had a great chance to build on our league form last season by signing one or two good players, we didn't need wholesale changes, and blew it, while, like you say, other teams strengthened. Trying to hijack the Barrie McKay deal last minute when he'd been talking to Hearts for weeks summed it up.

I liked Ross on the whole but I think he lost control with the players discipline towards the end. Too many red cards and stupid mistakes creeping in. That on top of playing games so close together because of the Covid cancellations and injuries was a recipe for disaster.

[JimBHibees]

To add to the 5 non creative players you mention. Cadden & Doig, who I both like and are real athletes, don’t actually score or assist very often despite the good work they do and the positions they get into. That effectively leaves 3 positions we’re solely reliant on to create. With a pool of Mitchell,Henderson, Nisbet, Doidge, Melkerson, Mueller & Jasper to pick a 3 from. None of which have convinced and only shown fleeting glimpses of quality. It’s not surprising we’re so toothless in front of goal IMO.

Clarke looks like he might add a goal threat but that’s pretty damning when our new defender/wingback looks like he could be our biggest goal threat. Jasper is raw but I think he can be moulded into a good player. Same with Melkerson. It’s maybe unfair to judge Mueller until he has a pre season and a proper position but I’ve not seen anything special from him.

Newell is the one who bugs me. For all the talent and platitudes he gets, he’s one of our most experienced players. When does he ever take a game like yesterday by the scruff of the neck and make the difference. He plays within his comfort zone IMO when we need him to break forward and get ahead of the ball and get into the box consistently.

The last Derby would be one game.

[JimBHibees]

I think it's far too soon to discuss sacking the guy. I agree his brand of football thus far is poor to watch and that it's a slog, but give him a chance. It takes time to for new ideas to take effect; it's a process. I think we need to give Maloney a reasonable amount of time before deeming his tenure a failure. A bit of patience and let's see if we can develop.

That's what should happen and hopefully will.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Maloney was well aware that Boyle would be likely to leave when he took the job. Of course he’s been well backed.

Was he? Where did you see that?

[superfurryhibby]

Was he? Where did you see that?

C”mon , no one is that naive.

Not everything has to be written on tablets of stone. I would suggest that Boyle’s departure was no surprise to anyone connected to the club and that the incoming manager would be well aware.

[Paulie Walnuts]

C”mon , no one is that naive.

Not everything has to be written on tablets of stone. I would suggest that Boyle’s departure was no surprise to anyone connected to the club and that the incoming manager would be well aware.

It wasn’t a huge surprise. He is an outstanding player.

It also wouldn’t have been a huge surprise had he stayed though. He’d done it through enough windows previously.

[matty_f]

Name me one person surprised when the sale of Boyle was announced. News of the Saudi interest was there for weeks.

It’s all fair and well saying we signed loads of players not ready for first team action but - newsflash - we chose to focus on a vanity project instead when we knew the first team was threadbare and we were away to lose Boyle.

Either Maloney went along with it, chose that as his plan of action, or needed to shout about it and be stronger to ensure that we fixed our first team issues before a B team idea we all of a sudden got giddy and distracted by.

Very serious questions to be asked of the recruitment and football departments in this mess as well.

That’s just nonsense.

Clarke, Bashiri, Jasper, Mitchell - all signed for the here and now. Melkersen wasn’t going to be ready to play immediately but was planned to hit the first team this season, bear in mind when he signed we had Doidge returning and Nisbet available, with Mueller already recently joined.

We signed Hauge, Delferriere for the development team, along with the player who went straight to Charlseton Battery, so can we just nip this myth in the bud that we ignored the first team for the sake of signing development players.

[Fergus52]

This is how I feel. How people think yesterdays football was good, shows how far standards have fallen in the last few seasons. Our attacking play is almost non existent and we very rarely put teams under any sustained pressure. Yes to me the football is boring and Maloney decision making is totally baffling. I want him to succeed but just can't see it. I also believe we could easily get pulled into the play off place if we, more than likely, finish in the bottom six.

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Sorry but the second half we did exactly that - Dundee utd barely had the ball in our defensive third the whole 45 minutes.

We had sustained possession around their box almost the whole second half and created several chances from it, were very unlucky not to win with a clear penalty not given and Melkersen's sitter.

Result was frustrating but we played some good stuff in the second half, anyone saying otherwise has the blinkers on and can't see past the dropped points.

[Northernhibee]

That’s just nonsense.

Clarke, Bashiri, Jasper, Mitchell - all signed for the here and now. Melkersen wasn’t going to be ready to play immediately but was planned to hit the first team this season, bear in mind when he signed we had Doidge returning and Nisbet available, with Mueller already recently joined.

We signed Hauge, Delferriere for the development team, along with the player who went straight to Charlseton Battery, so can we just nip this myth in the bud that we ignored the first team for the sake of signing development players.
I have to respectfully disagree. The full focus of the scouting team available to us should have been on sorting the most glaring issues and it doesn’t feel like we have achieved that.

If we want a B team then that should wait to the summer. That was a crisis window and I’m not convinced we’ve come out of it well - Bushiri, Jasper, Henderson, Melkersen unquestionably have potential to be good players but aren’t there yet.

Only Clarke and Mitchell on top of the existing agreement for me are absolutely first team ready (though Henderson is somewhere between the two, potentially Jasper too).

[GreenCastle]

I don't blame Ross for the summer transfer window. He publicly stated on a few occasions that he needed more attacking and defensive options. You don't do that unless you're getting frustrated. The club them gave him James Scott and Nathan Wood. Really, really poor. We had a great chance to build on our league form last season by signing one or two good players, we didn't need wholesale changes, and blew it, while, like you say, other teams strengthened. Trying to hijack the Barrie McKay deal last minute when he'd been talking to Hearts for weeks summed it up.

I liked Ross on the whole but I think he lost control with the players discipline towards the end. Too many red cards and stupid mistakes creeping in. That on top of playing games so close together because of the Covid cancellations and injuries was a recipe for disaster.

This for me.

Finishing 3rd - we didn’t push on.

The club recruited badly and as a result - Ross and Mathie lost their jobs.

I said at the start of the season Hearts recruited and had a better squad than us and we can now see why as they sit 16 points ahead of us.

16 points..that’s ridiculous and can easily get bigger.

I see similar traits to Hecky with Maloney - some decent football a few wins but missing real substance and structure. It feels a bit like a glorified coaching experiment with a young group of players.

I really hope he turns it around but fans want wins and not making top and losing semi he will be under serious pressure from fans and the board.

[I'm Spartacus]

You think this thread is full of knee jerks and bed wetters? Read this beauty.

https://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/topic/334089-gvb-out/

OH. MY. GOD.

Thanks for sharing, that is a class read.

[Since452]

OH. MY. GOD.

Thanks for sharing, that is a class read.

Calling a guy who won a **** load of trophies with them as a player a loser hahaha. Cheered me up.

[Tyler Durden]

I’ve thought that for a long time. When we’re playing well he is good, when we’re not playing well or having one of those horror show performances we were/are capable of he’s as bad/anonymous as everyone else. He’s proven that he’s not someone who can lead the team out of a bad performance he just follows the flow of everyone else.

He’s the least of our midfield problems, but as I’ve said before I still see him as closer to part of the problem than part of the solution. Both midfield positions/all 3 positions, depending on formations, would be my priority and starting point in the summer rebuild.

You regularly come out with this and are given examples but you're not interested. By your logic Newell never deserves any credit, he's only playing well cos the rest of the team played well. It's daft.

3 examples of top of my head.

* SC semi final vs Hearts. Team playing pretty poor. Newell drives us forward and wins a penalty in extra time. Nisbet missed so Newell gets no credit.
* First game of this season. 2-1 down at HT due to Gogic. Newell drives us forward plays a big part in Hibs equaliser and overall comeback to win the game.
* 2-2 vs Rangers at Easter Road last season. 2-1 down. Newell was superb and helped us fight back to draw. Also excellent in the 1-0 away loss at Ibrox.

Newell is definitely someone who leads by example. He can be inconsistent and he needs to improve that but he's here to stay.

[SaulGoodman]

If he goes, there will be trouble.

[FitbaFolkKen]

I'm trying to argue realistically (without "good old days" mindset) on Jack Ross' time to give some perspective on why Maloney needs more time and why it might be a more difficult time for Maloney. Nothing else.

League has changed since our good season. Yes, we can give credit for what we did well but ultimately we gave ourselves too much and patted ourselves on the back when every other team strengthened. The club and Jack Ross were ridiculous in the summer transfer window. Really stupid, we had to strengthen and now we pay the price.

Managed player conditioning? Have no idea how that feeds into injuries like Nisbet's. Add in our idiotic suspensions this season as well. McGinn, Porteous and Hanlon have all had at least 1 each.

People got criticised for wanting Jack Ross gone. Alot of "no manager is ever good enough for Hibs due to fans". I'd like to spin that back on those that said that, we've now got a section of our support that are almost saying "no manager will ever be as good as Jack Ross".

He comes up in conversations why our current manager should get the sack after 3 months in the job. When someone gives a breakdown on why things are different now to then, we then get a rendition of how good Jack Ross was.

When does Jack Ross stop being the benchmark? That says more about the club, our history and fan base than anything else. Have 1 good season and it'll be a long time until anybody else matches that...

Jack Ross is gone. Unbelievable that we have threads about "Why did we sack Jack Ross?" and "Maloney has to go". Happy to move on? I find that hard to believe. Some of your phrasing around Jack Ross makes him sound like a hero. Every manager from now on has no chance.

Some of your phrasing makes him sound incompetent, the truth is always somewhere in the middle.

To be fair one good season is a tough act to follow with us.

Usually, when a manager goes it is because there has been a clamour to remove him, with Ross there were some who thought he had credit in the bank. I'm one of those. Of course I want Maloney to succeed, I just dislike the fact that the last couple of years get spoken about in derogatory terms when in fact they are about as good as they get for us apart from winning a cup.

[Alfred E Newman]

If he goes, there will be trouble.

If we lose the next two games there will be trouble

[Hibbyradge]

If he goes, there will be trouble.

If he stays it will be double.

[madhatter]

Some of your phrasing makes him sound incompetent, the truth is always somewhere in the middle.

To be fair one good season is a tough act to follow with us.

Usually, when a manager goes it is because there has been a clamour to remove him, with Ross there were some who thought he had credit in the bank. I'm one of those. Of course I want Maloney to succeed, I just dislike the fact that the last couple of years get spoken about in derogatory terms when in fact they are about as good as they get for us apart from winning a cup.

I dislike that Jack Ross gets better protection and acclaim on here than Alan Stubbs. Hopefully I'm wrong but I think it might be a longer time until a manager gets us winning the cup again than another manager getting us 3rd. I'm greedy and want both.

I want us to improve as a club and get better players, coaches and managers. I have great trepidation at the moment as things are not going well at the club. We are transitioning, just not sure what to yet. Maloney is included in that mix. The club and he need time but unfortunately they need to get it right soon. Strong end to season and massive summer window or we're going to plod along for years (without serious investment).

[LaMotta]

I dislike that Jack Ross gets better protection and acclaim on here than Alan Stubbs. Hopefully I'm wrong but I think it might be a longer time until a manager gets us winning the cup again than another manager getting us 3rd. I'm greedy and want both.

I want us to improve as a club and get better players, coaches and managers. I have great trepidation at the moment as things are not going well at the club. We are transitioning, just not sure what to yet. Maloney is included in that mix. The club and he need time but unfortunately they need to get it right soon. Strong end to season and massive summer window or we're going to plod along for years (without serious investment).

Jack Ross was not a million miles away from having a statue of himself built outside Easter Road. He was close to 4 trophies in the space of 12 months - even 2 would have been unbelievable.

It can be fine lines between success and failure in football - Nisbet's penalty goes in v Hearts, Jackson Irvine puts us in front v St J in the league cup semi rather hitting the post, an in form Darren McGregor gets the nod for the final and stops Saints scoring a header rather than being benched, Ross keeps his job for the Celtic LC final....

Some of that was down to bad luck for Ross, but some of it clear managerial fault ie not working out how to beat St Johnstone after numerous attempts. Ross will surely be kicking himself at how it turned out at Hibs and how he will be remembered.

Alan Stubbs will always be a legend because he got us over the line .

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

This thread is mental. I would agree if SM went on a run of horrendous defeats but I just don’t understand the impatience.

Let’s see what the summer transfer brings and then re-assess after the first two rounds of playing teams in the league. Then we’ll have a far better idea of whether or not this appointment has been good or bad.

[LeithMike]

You regularly come out with this and are given examples but you're not interested. By your logic Newell never deserves any credit, he's only playing well cos the rest of the team played well. It's daft.

3 examples of top of my head.

* SC semi final vs Hearts. Team playing pretty poor. Newell drives us forward and wins a penalty in extra time. Nisbet missed so Newell gets no credit.
* First game of this season. 2-1 down at HT due to Gogic. Newell drives us forward plays a big part in Hibs equaliser and overall comeback to win the game.
* 2-2 vs Rangers at Easter Road last season. 2-1 down. Newell was superb and helped us fight back to draw. Also excellent in the 1-0 away loss at Ibrox.

Newell is definitely someone who leads by example. He can be inconsistent and he needs to improve that but he's here to stay.Not a big fan of commenting on individual players on the main board but will try and be balanced. I don't think there is any doubt that Newell is a good footballer. In the games I've seen he's very good when Hibs are in top in games and have lots of time and space in midfield. Two of the teams where we get this this are Rangers (they are usually open and spreadout) and Motherwell. I don't think its a coincidence that Hibs and, in particular, Newell, fare better in these games.

Against teams that are compact, either through the high press like Celtic and Livingston or sitting in against St Johnstone then I think Hibs, and Newell, in particular, tend to struggle.

The semi-final with Hearts was a really poor Hearts team so I would put down to a one off but agree Newell was one of our better performers. That was a championship team though and unrecognisable from the current Hearts side.

I don't think Newell tries any less hard in certain games, I just don't think they all suit him. He is a good footballer but I generally feel he's not quick or mobile enough for central midfield - particularly if we are limiting ourselves to two players there. I think I would play one of him and JDH but not sure which (prob JDH as he's stronger and more mobile). I think its a worry when Maloney wants to sign another "6" when what we're really crying out for is an "8" (if not two 8s). Josh Campbell added a bit of this but our struggles saw his confidence dip. Maybe going to 3 in the middle would give Newell a freer role and more time and space to play his game?

Our midfield has been relatively poor for a while now and we need a proper midfielder who goes box to box in the middle of the park. I know I'll get slated for this but we could do a lot worse than McGeouch and Omeonga. I'm not a fan of bringing ex players back but those two would improve us no end and maybe help Newell too.

The long contracts that have been handed out at Hibs though are highly questionable and I am not convinced the football department and manager are on the same page.

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[B.H.F.C]

This thread is mental. I would agree if SM went on a run of horrendous defeats but I just don’t understand the impatience.

Let’s see what the summer transfer brings and then re-assess after the first two rounds of playing teams in the league. Then we’ll have a far better idea of whether or not this appointment has been good or bad.

I’m not calling for him to go yet, but I do understand the impatience because it’s been dreadful. That said, I thought it was dreadful before he came in and I think he’s had a fair bit go against him. He needs results in the next fortnight though.

[The Modfather]

You regularly come out with this and are given examples but you're not interested. By your logic Newell never deserves any credit, he's only playing well cos the rest of the team played well. It's daft.

3 examples of top of my head.

* SC semi final vs Hearts. Team playing pretty poor. Newell drives us forward and wins a penalty in extra time. Nisbet missed so Newell gets no credit.
* First game of this season. 2-1 down at HT due to Gogic. Newell drives us forward plays a big part in Hibs equaliser and overall comeback to win the game.
* 2-2 vs Rangers at Easter Road last season. 2-1 down. Newell was superb and helped us fight back to draw. Also excellent in the 1-0 away loss at Ibrox.

Newell is definitely someone who leads by example. He can be inconsistent and he needs to improve that but he's here to stay.

I’m not sure I do ignore examples given. I actually remember a midweek draw with St Mirren last season in another one of those random games where the whole team failed to turn up. That game I thought Newell stood out and was excellent. Constantly driving forward with the ball and driving us up the park. That was everything I want to see from Newell that night.

I could list many examples of our performances where the whole team didn’t turn up and Newell was as culpable as everyone else but not looking to drag us into petty point scoring. He is often talked about as among the best midfielders in the league and all manner of stats are shown to back that up. That’s why I find it so frustrating how often he can be indistinguishable from his midfield partners and part of a midfield that is anonymous. I don’t think it’s particularly unfair to view him as a good player when the team are playing well but struggles along with everyone else when the team aren’t playing well.

He’s a good player and could be part of a good midfield. However the majority of his time here he’s been part of a midfield that’s been less than the sum of its parts, IMO, and I don’t see him as someone I would look to build the midfield around.

[Winston Ingram]

This thread is mental. I would agree if SM went on a run of horrendous defeats but I just don’t understand the impatience.

Let’s see what the summer transfer brings and then re-assess after the first two rounds of playing teams in the league. Then we’ll have a far better idea of whether or not this appointment has been good or bad.

He’s been in charge for 14 league games and he’s made us worse.

Our football is brutally dull, we rarely look like scoring, his subs are baffling, there are no obvious signs of progress and he genuinely doesn’t look like he knows what he’s doing.

I’d agree we should give him time if he showed any signs of improvement but I can’t see any.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He’s been in charge for 14 league games and he’s made us worse.

Our football is brutally dull, we rarely look like scoring, his subs are baffling, there are no obvious signs of progress and he genuinely doesn’t look like he knows what he’s doing.

I’d agree we should give him time if he showed any signs of improvement but I can’t see any.

We’re higher in the league than we were when Jack Ross left. That’s a sign of progress and a fairly obvious one at that.

[blackpoolhibs]

We’re higher in the league than we were when Jack Ross left. That’s a sign of progress and a fairly obvious one at that.

How do we fare from when Maloney took over?

[Tyler Durden]

I’m not sure I do ignore examples given. I actually remember a midweek draw with St Mirren last season in another one of those random games where the whole team failed to turn up. That game I thought Newell stood out and was excellent. Constantly driving forward with the ball and driving us up the park. That was everything I want to see from Newell that night.

I could list many examples of our performances where the whole team didn’t turn up and Newell was as culpable as everyone else but not looking to drag us into petty point scoring. He is often talked about as among the best midfielders in the league and all manner of stats are shown to back that up. That’s why I find it so frustrating how often he can be indistinguishable from his midfield partners and part of a midfield that is anonymous. I don’t think it’s particularly unfair to view him as a good player when the team are playing well but struggles along with everyone else when the team aren’t playing well.

He’s a good player and could be part of a good midfield. However the majority of his time here he’s been part of a midfield that’s been less than the sum of its parts, IMO, and I don’t see him as someone I would look to build the midfield around.

Fair play. See you back here in 6 months to repeat the same debate again 😆

[Tyler Durden]

Not a big fan of commenting on individual players on the main board but will try and be balanced. I don't think there is any doubt that Newell is a good footballer. In the games I've seen he's very good when Hibs are in top in games and have lots of time and space in midfield. Two of the teams where we get this this are Rangers (they are usually open and spreadout) and Motherwell. I don't think its a coincidence that Hibs and, in particular, Newell, fare better in these games.

Against teams that are compact, either through the high press like Celtic and Livingston or sitting in against St Johnstone then I think Hibs, and Newell, in particular, tend to struggle.

The semi-final with Hearts was a really poor Hearts team so I would put down to a one off but agree Newell was one of our better performers. That was a championship team though and unrecognisable from the current Hearts side.

I don't think Newell tries any less hard in certain games, I just don't think they all suit him. He is a good footballer but I generally feel he's not quick or mobile enough for central midfield - particularly if we are limiting ourselves to two players there. I think I would play one of him and JDH but not sure which (prob JDH as he's stronger and more mobile). I think its a worry when Maloney wants to sign another "6" when what we're really crying out for is an "8" (if not two 8s). Josh Campbell added a bit of this but our struggles saw his confidence dip. Maybe going to 3 in the middle would give Newell a freer role and more time and space to play his game?

Our midfield has been relatively poor for a while now and we need a proper midfielder who goes box to box in the middle of the park. I know I'll get slated for this but we could do a lot worse than McGeouch and Omeonga. I'm not a fan of bringing ex players back but those two would improve us no end and maybe help Newell too.

The long contracts that have been handed out at Hibs though are highly questionable and I am not convinced the football department and manager are on the same page.

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My post was focused on the specific point about Newell never performing when the chips are down.

I actually agree with most of your points. I think we’d immediately improve if we went to 3-5-2 and for example stuck Harry Clarke in CM and got him running beyond the striker. And I think we should be getting Newell into the box much more.

But Maloney isn’t gonna do that.

[Winston Ingram]

We’re higher in the league than we were when Jack Ross left. That’s a sign of progress and a fairly obvious one at that.

The only teams we have gained more points than this year are Motherwell and Dundee.

https://twitter.com/doggersaints/status/1511036149493649413?s=21&t=tAVfMPK8N8u_8ibqEgcSHA

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[Hibees1973]

The only teams we have gained more points than this year are Motherwell and Dundee.

https://twitter.com/doggersaints/status/1511036149493649413?s=21&t=tAVfMPK8N8u_8ibqEgcSHA

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These are eye-watering stats.

Even if he loses the next 2 games, Maloney is going nowhere.

ST sales will be shocking next season. Hibs are difficult to watch just now. The Yams are no great shakes but sadly this Hibs team won't be able to muster a win against them when it counts.

[LaMotta]

The only teams we have gained more points than this year are Motherwell and Dundee.

https://twitter.com/doggersaints/status/1511036149493649413?s=21&t=tAVfMPK8N8u_8ibqEgcSHA

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Maloney out - Malky Mackay in.:greengrin

[jacomo]

I’m not calling for him to go yet, but I do understand the impatience because it’s been dreadful. That said, I thought it was dreadful before he came in and I think he’s had a fair bit go against him. He needs results in the next fortnight though.


The impatience was there before Maloney arrived, as you rightly say.

You and others who were complaining so much about Jack Ross have uncorked something here and it’s not good.

Patience is required.

[B.H.F.C]

The impatience was there before Maloney arrived, as you rightly say.

You and others who were complaining so much about Jack Ross have uncorked something here and it’s not good.

Patience is required.

I was far from being one of the most vocal critics as far as Ross was concerned. I didn’t think he could have any complaints when he did go and I thought he needed to after the Livingston game. But up until then I wasn’t really fussed either way.

I do want Maloney to get the summer but he’s going to need to do something to buy that time and patience.

[JamesHFC]

Maloney out - Malky Mackay in.:greengrin

Malky is actually a decent manager. His past would probably cost him the opportunity of coming here though.

[Greenio]

He will get the rest of this season
Fully backed in the summer
Then till October

The only thing that will change that is if we get relegated....not boos, not poor attendance, not protests, not short term panic merchants.

We've progressed under Maloney imo and will continue to

[bigwheel]

He will get the rest of this season
Fully backed in the summer
Then till October

The only thing that will change that is if we get relegated....not boos, not poor attendance, not protests, not short term panic merchants.

We've progressed under Maloney imo and will continue to

He’s got to get more time. Would be a huge issue if they were to exit him so quickly . But there has been little, if any progress. His results have been relegation standard .

[Since452]

He will get the rest of this season
Fully backed in the summer
Then till October

The only thing that will change that is if we get relegated....not boos, not poor attendance, not protests, not short term panic merchants.

We've progressed under Maloney imo and will continue to

The only progression we've made is finding a new way not to win many games of football.

[JimBHibees]

This thread is mental. I would agree if SM went on a run of horrendous defeats but I just don’t understand the impatience.

Let’s see what the summer transfer brings and then re-assess after the first two rounds of playing teams in the league. Then we’ll have a far better idea of whether or not this appointment has been good or bad.

Agree totally it is imo very unfair.

[JimBHibees]

He’s been in charge for 14 league games and he’s made us worse.

Our football is brutally dull, we rarely look like scoring, his subs are baffling, there are no obvious signs of progress and he genuinely doesn’t look like he knows what he’s doing.

I’d agree we should give him time if he showed any signs of improvement but I can’t see any.

Let's see what he is like when he has a full squad to pick from and has had a proper preseason and summer window. No one is saying the form is good but there have been good parts such as defensively tighter, some performances last derby, Celtic at home, Motherwell away, Dundee United second half and also individual performances. We simply cannot just be sacking managers without giving them a proper go. Personally think it will get better.

[JimBHibees]

The impatience was there before Maloney arrived, as you rightly say.

You and others who were complaining so much about Jack Ross have uncorked something here and it’s not good.

Patience is required.

Absolutely the potential getting rid of Ross early especially at the first sign of genuine fan moaning at a game. Even though the ones chanting it probably totalled 30 has probably created some sort of entitlement that they can get rid of the next guy at the first sign of trouble. Not a good position to be in.

[madhatter]

Absolutely the potential getting rid of Ross early especially at the first sign of genuine fan moaning at a game. Even though the ones chanting it probably totalled 30 has probably created some sort of entitlement that they can get rid of the next guy at the first sign of trouble. Not a good position to be in.

I think the entitlement passes onto those that backed Jack Ross as well. He's the benchmark we measure all managers against now,for some reason, and used as a reason why Maloney will never be good enough.

People have a right to be expectant though. Ron Gordon talks about us being like Sevilla and Atletico Madrid while we have the form of Getafe. Club continually talk a good game while regularly delivering the opposite to what they say. Ron Gordon is making fans expectant which feeds the entitlement. Not a good position to be in either unless the club and Maloney deliver something.

The situation this season is exactly what Ron Gordon said he wanted to minimise - good season, bad season, bad season, good season.

Maloney needs time but club needs to steady the ship this summer, likely with serious investment in first team.

[McGruber]

We’re higher in the league than we were when Jack Ross left. That’s a sign of progress and a fairly obvious one at that.

Maloney took over at Hibs when we were 5th, we are now 6th. Only a win at Tynecastle will prevent a bottom 6 finish and best possible finish of 7th. We are picking up less points in the last quarter of a season than every team in the bottom 6 other than Dundee. The previous manager lost his job after a run of 9 points out of 36. Maloney is now on a run of 9 points out of 36. If we don't win at the weekend Maloney will have the worst run of results since Terry Butcher - worse than at any point under Ross & Heckingbottom. An obvious sign of progress.... really!

Maloney needs to win one of the derbys to save himself. Bottom 6, dumped out by Hearts again at Hampden which will live long in the memories regardless of what follows and the worst run of results since relegation season has to be failure.

[Mike Berry]

Maloney took over at Hibs when we were 5th, we are now 6th. Only a win at Tynecastle will prevent a bottom 6 finish and best possible finish of 7th. We are picking up less points in the last quarter of a season than every team in the bottom 6 other than Dundee. The previous manager lost his job after a run of 9 points out of 36. Maloney is now on a run of 9 points out of 36. If we don't win at the weekend Maloney will have the worst run of results since Terry Butcher - worse than at any point under Ross & Heckingbottom. An obvious sign of progress.... really!

Maloney needs to win one of the derbys to save himself. Bottom 6, dumped out by Hearts again at Hampden which will live long in the memories regardless of what follows and the worst run of results since relegation season has to be failure.I'd like to see Maloney given time, but at the same time I think the board will struggle to support him if we slip into the bottom 6 and lose at Hampden. In that scenario, season ticket sales would be awful, as would merchandise sales and the rest. It's not all that long ago we were regularly getting crowds around 7,000 or less. However, the worst hasn't happened yet and it might not happen. I think we've a decent chance of winning both games, and I prefer to try and stay positive.

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[James Stephen]

He will get the rest of this season
Fully backed in the summer
Then till October

The only thing that will change that is if we get relegated....not boos, not poor attendance, not protests, not short term panic merchants.

We've progressed under Maloney imo and will continue to

Season 2022/23 will then be another transition year...

Just wait for 23/24 though, all that long term planning is going to pay off big time.

[Callum_62]

Season 2022/23 will then be another transition year...

Just wait for 23/24 though, all that long term planning is going to pay off big time.Hibs, hearts, Aberdeen will consistently be in transition

Its how we manage it that will determine our success

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[Jones28]

Season 2022/23 will then be another transition year...

Just wait for 23/24 though, all that long term planning is going to pay off big time.

How will it be? We have a closed season and transfer window between the end of this and the start of the next season.

[Skol]

I think the entitlement passes onto those that backed Jack Ross as well. He's the benchmark we measure all managers against now,for some reason, and used as a reason why Maloney will never be good enough.

People have a right to be expectant though. Ron Gordon talks about us being like Sevilla and Atletico Madrid while we have the form of Getafe. Club continually talk a good game while regularly delivering the opposite to what they say. Ron Gordon is making fans expectant which feeds the entitlement. Not a good position to be in either unless the club and Maloney deliver something.

The situation this season is exactly what Ron Gordon said he wanted to minimise - good season, bad season, bad season, good season.

Maloney needs time but club needs to steady the ship this summer, likely with serious investment in first team.

The reason maloney is being questioned is current form. Look at the post just after yours which shows the current state of play and it is not pretty reading.

That said ,I agree we cannot be making another knee jerk reaction and we have to support maloney and give him time to get over the injuries, get another window and then see how next season goes.

Sadly though I have not seem much to make me think anything other than we will be looking for anew manager

[Malthibby]

Missed the game because I was down south, wife said on the 'phone that we played okay, good second half & should have won.
Get back up, come on here & it's 'Maloney must go.'
Don't know whether some folk's expectations are so unrealistically high that disappointment is almost instantaneous but it must be a sorry place to be.
Hang onto some hope first & save disappointment for later, it will come eventually
but there may be some good times first.
GG

[Paulie Walnuts]

Missed the game because I was down south, wife said on the 'phone that we played okay, good second half & should have won.
Get back up, come on here & it's 'Maloney must go.'
Don't know whether some folk's expectations are so unrealistically high that disappointment is almost instantaneous but it must be a sorry place to be.
Hang onto some hope first & save disappointment for later, it will come eventually
but there may be some good times first.
GG

I thought we were pretty decent on Saturday. Nothing earth shattering and longer term it would be about the minimum I’d expect from us but considering how things have been going I think you have to acknowledge that it was a decent improvement.

The result was obviously disappointing but I’d say we done just about everything other than get a winner. We also had a penalty that we didn’t get and missed an absolute sitter with the last kick of the ball.

We need to start turning draws into wins but there was a bit to be positive about on Saturday imo. The only real negative for me was that we didn’t win. Of course that’s a important negative though.

[Alfred E Newman]

Missed the game because I was down south, wife said on the 'phone that we played okay, good second half & should have won.
Get back up, come on here & it's 'Maloney must go.'
Don't know whether some folk's expectations are so unrealistically high that disappointment is almost instantaneous but it must be a sorry place to be.
Hang onto some hope first & save disappointment for later, it will come eventually
but there may be some good times first.
GG
Given our resources we don't expect to be struggling to stay out the bottom six come April. That is not having high expectations and it is understandable that a large section of the support are not happy.

[James Stephen]

How will it be? We have a closed season and transfer window between the end of this and the start of the next season.

I was responding to the person who said he will be sacked in October, which Hibs have a lot of form for.

[Skol]

Missed the game because I was down south, wife said on the 'phone that we played okay, good second half & should have won.
Get back up, come on here & it's 'Maloney must go.'
Don't know whether some folk's expectations are so unrealistically high that disappointment is almost instantaneous but it must be a sorry place to be.
Hang onto some hope first & save disappointment for later, it will come eventually
but there may be some good times first.
GG

For me its the longer term trend

First half we were poor but second half we improved, but without looking like scoring. United by then were just defending their point though. We could have won following a later sitter being missed.

Take out the first 2 games and cup ties and look at the league record and there is not much to be excited about. A few encouraging 0-0 draws is about as good as it gets.

Yes the injuries have been a factor and also so has losing boyle.

[Coco Bryce]

Missed the game because I was down south, wife said on the 'phone that we played okay, good second half & should have won.
Get back up, come on here & it's 'Maloney must go.'
Don't know whether some folk's expectations are so unrealistically high that disappointment is almost instantaneous but it must be a sorry place to be.
Hang onto some hope first & save disappointment for later, it will come eventually
but there may be some good times first.
GG

Or maybe your wife is just easily pleased :greengrin

[wookie70]

We’re higher in the league than we were when Jack Ross left. That’s a sign of progress and a fairly obvious one at that.That has to do with the other teams not us. He is achieving less points per game albeit only by a small margin and more substantial margin in terms of average golas per league game. He has made us worse compared to the league results under Jack Ross this season

[ahibby]

That has to do with the other teams not us. He is achieving less points per game albeit only by a small margin and more substantial margin in terms of average golas per league game. He has made us worse compared to the league results under Jack Ross this season

He has us higher in the league without Martin Boyle, our top scorer this season, something we can't say about JR. I'd say he has done it with a younger side too, with the introduction of Melkerson and Jasper. The side is crying out for an experienced box player, and maybe one other creative and experienced midfielder. It's fine having young players for the future, but they luck cunning and physicality required to boss the opponents box.

[Paulie Walnuts]

That has to do with the other teams not us. He is achieving less points per game albeit only by a small margin and more substantial margin in terms of average golas per league game. He has made us worse compared to the league results under Jack Ross this season

Isn’t that the exact same as when people said we were only third because of the rest of the league being ***** under JR and they’re rightfully shot down?

What we finished last season with was only enough to get 3rd place 1 other season out of the last 5, so surely that’s down to the other teams that we got 3rd and not us in that case?

We’ve picked up enough points under Maloney to have us in 6th place, regardless of what other teams have or haven’t done, much the same as we picked up enough points under JR to get us to 3rd place, again, regardless of what other teams have or haven’t done or whether it would usually be enough.

[Since452]

For Maloney to get punted, it would be an admission from Ron/Ben that they got it horribly wrong. That isn't going to happen. Not this early anyway.

[Alfred E Newman]

Isn’t that the exact same as when people said we were only third because of the rest of the league being ***** under JR and they’re rightfully shot down?

What we finished last season with was only enough to get 3rd place 1 other season out of the last 5, so surely that’s down to the other teams that we got 3rd and not us in that case?

We’ve picked up enough points under Maloney to have us in 6th place, regardless of what other teams have or haven’t done, much the same as we picked up enough points under JR to get us to 3rd place, again, regardless of what other teams have or haven’t done or whether it would usually be enough.
You've lost me there. :confused:

[Paulie Walnuts]

You've lost me there. :confused:

Wookie said we are where we are in the league because of the other teams, not us. People have suggested similar, that we were only 3rd last year because of a lack of quality from the other teams. They get shot down for that and understandably so yet it’s now being used as a stick to beat Maloney with.

We finished third last season with a fairly low points total so if the idea we only finished there because the league was crap is ever going to be relevant then last season was one season it could be applied to. It shouldn’t be though, because we were there on merit, much like we’re 6th on merit this season.

Last season we done enough to finish 3rd. That was because of what Hibs done.

This season we’re currently 6th. That’s because of what Hibs have done.

[Jim44]

Fur coat and ‘nae knickers’. Sums us up at the moment.

[Greenwich_Hibby]

Ron was following his mate Dave at Aberdeen with the young coach, and that backfired. See how long it is before we go for the 'proven coach'. Not seeing anything on the pitch to suggest the change in manager from Ross was the right thing to do.

[Unseen work]

I can see Maloney being similar to Arteta at Arsenal.

Playing some brilliant football and get some very good wins including beater the “better teams” in the league.

But also having the odd blip against the poorer teams.

[wookie70]

Wookie said we are where we are in the league because of the other teams, not us. People have suggested similar, that we were only 3rd last year because of a lack of quality from the other teams. They get shot down for that and understandably so yet it’s now being used as a stick to beat Maloney with.

We finished third last season with a fairly low points total so if the idea we only finished there because the league was crap is ever going to be relevant then last season was one season it could be applied to. It shouldn’t be though, because we were there on merit, much like we’re 6th on merit this season.

Last season we done enough to finish 3rd. That was because of what Hibs done.

This season we’re currently 6th. That’s because of what Hibs have done.

My point was specific to the amount of points per game we have won under Maloney compared to Ross. The only reason we are a place higher is none of the teams below us have taken advantage. If Ross had continued at the same rate he was performing in the league this season we would be in fifth with a point more having scored 6 or so more goals. Scoring less goals and gaining less points can't surely be seen as progress regardless of league position.

[blackpoolhibs]

My point was specific to the amount of points per game we have won under Maloney compared to Ross. The only reason we are a place higher is none of the teams below us have taken advantage. If Ross had continued at the same rate he was performing in the league this season we would be in fifth with a point more having scored 6 or so more goals. Scoring less goals and gaining less points can't surely be seen as progress regardless of league position.

We are not a place higher when Maloney took over, when he took over we were 5th.

[wookie70]

We are not a place higher when Maloney took over, when he took over we were 5th.

We were 7th (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59099920) when Ross was sacked and 7th when Maloney took charge (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59618451)

[Caversham Green]

Being in sixth place doesn't really mean a whole lot when there's only three points between fifth and tenth and the club in tenth place could move above us with a single win. If we lose on Saturday we almost certainly won't be sixth any longer.

[Caversham Green]

We were 7th (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59099920) when Ross was sacked

That was when Ross was sacked - we gained four points under David Gray before Maloney took over.

[wookie70]

That was when Ross was sacked - we gained four points under David Gray before Maloney took over. We did but when SM took over we were 7th (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59618451)

[Iain G]

That was when Ross was sacked - we gained four points under David Gray before Maloney took over.

Yeah he had as climbing the White Ladder

[Caversham Green]

We did but when SM took over we were 7th (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59618451)

Fair enough, I didn't know one way or the other - just making the point.

[Turkish Green]

It is all down to ST sales. Two losses to Hearts will drive away potential ST sales. Will RG accept this without a reaction. When sacking JR a more experienced manager than SM should have been appointed.

It may be premature when a Top 6 place is still achievable but staying away from 11th place is the main target. I can still remember the downward spiral under Butcher following the disasterously named demolition derby.

[J-C]

Fair enough, I didn't know one way or the other - just making the point.

If you didn't know, why are you arguing the point? Just for an arguement sake.

[Winston Ingram]

For Maloney to get punted, it would be an admission from Ron/Ben that they got it horribly wrong. That isn't going to happen. Not this early anyway.

https://twitter.com/scotlandsky/status/1511716318692716546?s=21&t=iPHFWig8sulkBhQjB1H8Eg

He seems to be having a pop at the hierarchy here. That might change Ron/Ben’s attitude

[JimBHibees]

https://twitter.com/scotlandsky/status/1511716318692716546?s=21&t=iPHFWig8sulkBhQjB1H8Eg

He seems to be having a pop at the hierarchy here. That might change Ron/Ben’s attitude

Just recognising the impact of Boyle leaving I think wouldn't call it a pop to be honest.

[GreenCastle]

https://twitter.com/scotlandsky/status/1511716318692716546?s=21&t=iPHFWig8sulkBhQjB1H8Eg

He seems to be having a pop at the hierarchy here. That might change Ron/Ben’s attitude

Interesting interview.

The thought of having a 19 year old (Melkersen) lead the line in 2 massive games is slightly worrying. Although he’s a talent we will surely need to use Doidge at some point.

[007]

https://twitter.com/scotlandsky/status/1511716318692716546?s=21&t=iPHFWig8sulkBhQjB1H8Eg

He seems to be having a pop at the hierarchy here. That might change Ron/Ben’s attitude

Doesn't seem like he's having a pop to me. Perhaps you're seeing/hearing things you want to see/hear, that aren't really there at all.

[Caversham Green]

If you didn't know, why are you arguing the point? Just for an arguement sake.

I wasn't arguing the point, I was just saying that Wookie had picked the wrong match to make his point - he's now cleared that up.

If you mean my post before the one you quoted, all I was saying there was that being in sixth place with the league being the way it is isn't the great achievement some are making it out to be. I didn't mention moving up or down because I didn't know. I do now.

[Brightside]

Doesn't seem like he's having a pop to me. Perhaps you're seeing/hearing things you want to see/hear, that aren't really there at all.

I dont think hes having a pop but they all knew Boyle was more than likely going to go - seems odd that they didn't have other players ready to move for. Did we not apparently sack mathie for that kind of last minute slackness. Its not new for a CEO to blame people further down the chain to cover up for their own mis-management.

[CapitalGreen]

I dont think hes having a pop but they all knew Boyle was more than likely going to go - seems odd that they didn't have other players ready to move for. Did we not apparently sack mathie for that kind of last minute slackness. Its not new for a CEO to blame people further down the chain to cover up for their own mis-management.

Mathie had 3 windows to bring in a replacement centre back when Adam Jackson left and eventually ended up with Nathan Wood on loan as his replacement and ended up having to play Darren McGregor away in Europe which was an absolute disaster. I’m not sure that’s really comparable to replacing Boyle in one window where we didn’t even know if our valuation would be met with 10 days to go.

[Danderhall Hibs]

https://twitter.com/scotlandsky/status/1511716318692716546?s=21&t=iPHFWig8sulkBhQjB1H8Eg

He seems to be having a pop at the hierarchy here. That might change Ron/Ben’s attitude

I took it more as a pop (if you want to call it that) at JR for having a one man team.

[Since452]

Didn't see anything in that interview where i thought he was having a pop at anyone. One of his better interviews actually. Seems like he's becoming a bit more comfortable in front of the press.

[MWHIBBIES]

I took it more as a pop (if you want to call it that) at JR for having a one man team.

Which would be totally wrong tbh

[Fergus52]

I can see Maloney being similar to Arteta at Arsenal.

Playing some brilliant football and get some very good wins including beater the “better teams” in the league.

But also having the odd blip against the poorer teams.

Took Arteta a very long time to get playing that good football though, hopefully Maloney can do it quicker.

[MWHIBBIES]

Took Arteta a very long time to get playing that good football though, hopefully Maloney can do it quicker.

I think that was mainly due to him wanting a real overhaul in mentality and personality in the squad. Hopefully we don't need that.

[blackpoolhibs]

We did but when SM took over we were 7th (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59618451)

Aye you are right, yet we were on a bit of an improvement in results, bar the cup final we drew away at St Mirren then won against Dundee, we then won His first two games and then we've gone into a slump worse than anything we've seen since Butcher.

But yes you were right, we were 7th when he took over, and still in contention with a fight for 3rd place. How is that shaping up now?

We have not improved at all since he took over, and the football is still pish, so much so we dont even bother with scoring much now.

Still there is always next season.

[CapitalGreen]

Aye you are right, yet we were on a bit of an improvement in results, bar the cup final we drew away at St Mirren then won against Dundee, we then won His first two games and then we've gone into a slump worse than anything we've seen since Butcher.

But yes you were right, we were 7th when he took over, and still in contention with a fight for 3rd place. How is that shaping up now?

We have not improved at all since he took over, and the football is still pish, so much so we dont even bother with scoring much now.

Still there is always next season.

We had equally poor runs under Lennon, Hecky and Ross which included more defeats and more goals conceded. During those previous runs too we were rarely the better team. In our recent draws and our defeat to St Mirren we have arguably been the better team just not created/taken enough chances to get the victory.

Lennon - 14 league games, 2 wins & 6 defeats.

Hecky - 10 league games without a win, 5 defeats conceding 22 goals. Also had 3 cup games during that run, none of which we won over 90 mins and concede another 8 goals.

Ross - 1 win in 9 league games, 7 defeats, 14 goals conceded.

Maloney has mitigating factors in losing Boyle and the worst injury crisis I can remember in my time following Hibs.

[Skol]

I have just read this quote from Maloney and I am scratching my head to work out what he is saying as he seems to cover all bases

'Anything can happen at Hampden, we are more capable of beating Hearts this weekend and at Hampden. I think we have to be honest, it can go either way.'

Anyway, put that aside I find myself feeling quite positive about tomorrow and I know we have a good squad that have not performed to their ability of late. The occasion tomorrow will change that and Hibs will win 2-1.

[Stokesy's on fire]

Took Arteta a very long time to get playing that good football though, hopefully Maloney can do it quicker.

And Arteta still had a lot of money to play with

[FitbaFolkKen]

We had equally poor runs under Lennon, Hecky and Ross which included more defeats and more goals conceded. During those previous runs too we were rarely the better team. In our recent draws and our defeat to St Mirren we have arguably been the better team just not created/taken enough chances to get the victory.

Lennon - 14 league games, 2 wins & 6 defeats.

Hecky - 10 league games without a win, 5 defeats conceding 22 goals. Also had 3 cup games during that run, none of which we won over 90 mins and concede another 8 goals.

Ross - 1 win in 9 league games, 7 defeats, 14 goals conceded.

Maloney has mitigating factors in losing Boyle and the worst injury crisis I can remember in my time following Hibs.

Hecky was without Boyle a lot too was he not?


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[mokie]

And Arteta still had a lot of money to play with

Doesn't matter how much money he had to play with. When things started off badly he still had to keep the players onside and keep them buying into his ideas etc etc.......... He managed that , weeded out the imposters and now they are pushing on..

Maloney has to do all of the above..........

[Paulie Walnuts]

Hecky was without Boyle a lot too was he not?


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He was. Not sure Boyle played many games for him at all.

[jacomo]

Interesting interview.

The thought of having a 19 year old (Melkersen) lead the line in 2 massive games is slightly worrying. Although he’s a talent we will surely need to use Doidge at some point.


I do like the cut of his jib. This guy has ambition and might go very far in his management career.

I worry that he’s not pragmatic enough and - like Jack - isn’t the kind of motivational general who can inspire the team to play beyond themselves.

However, it would be madness to make another change now, we need to see this experiment through otherwise it’s been a massive waste of time.

[HoboHarry]

And Arteta still had a lot of money to play with
Pointless statement. He was, and still is, up against teams with far more money to spend, just like SM is.