He’s out of his depth

[Since452]

Maloney should go? Isn’t that just bonkers?

Hearts wanting Cathro binned after 8 games was bonkers too?

[Since452]

So now no one gets a chance? It’s instant impact or out the door?

Ron has set the bar sacking our last manager.

[The Modfather]

Ron has set the bar sacking our last manager.

Ross got sacked after 2 years. Maloney has been here 8 games.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Ross got sacked after 2 years. Maloney has been here 8 games.

He was but he was sacked after a bad 8 week (?) run.

[Brightside]

Oh so hilarious, except he's 38 and not the only one fed up with sections of our support, ER is toxic nowadays and its spread to .net.

Toxic. Really? I think we will be fine. As long as there isn’t a rugby game on.

[The Modfather]

He was but he was sacked after a bad 8 week (?) run.

If Maloney goes on a similar run two years in when it’s his team, regardless of what he’s achieved before then, I think he’d have little complaints if he was also sacked.

[Danderhall Hibs]

If Maloney goes on a similar run two years in when it’s his team, regardless of what he’s achieved before then, I think he’d have little complaints if he was also sacked.

We wouldn’t let him have 2 years of the current style and results would we? The new owner has shown he’s ruthless so he’ll be expected to turn this round well before then.

[The Modfather]

We wouldn’t let him have 2 years of the current style and results would we? The new owner has shown he’s ruthless so he’ll be expected to turn this round well before then.

Ron has sacked one manager (did he sack Heckingbottom?) when, IMO, after 2 years it was clear he wasn’t turning things around and we weren’t really going anywhere under Ross. I’m not sure that equates to him being ruthless and trigger happy.

Maloney can be questioned in the here and now but I’d be astonished if after 8 games mid way through a season Ron was thinking about firing the man he hired because we still have all the failings and frailties Maloney inherited.

[Paulie Walnuts]

No. Ron wants us to be best of the rest. We binned the guy who got us that because his form wasn't good enough this season. We look worse under Maloney.

All you care about is results. You’ve said it before and it was your justification for wanting to keep Jack Ross. It’s time for you to stand by that and accept that we have got better based on the only metric that you say you care about rather than repeating that we’re worse now than we were under JR.

He’s gone. And if Maloney goes, you’ll be disappointed to hear it won’t be JR who replaces him. He’s gone for good.

[jacomo]

Oh so hilarious, except he's 38 and not the only one fed up with sections of our support, ER is toxic nowadays and its spread to .net.


The irony here is that it’s probably the same folk hounding Ross who are now hounding Maloney.

So it’s not about there being two separate camps, Jack v Shaun. The divide is between those who support the team (no matter their personal opinion) and those who shout abuse at ER or online.

I’m far from convinced by our new guy but I wouldn’t shout abuse at ER or on social media at him or our previous manager. How about you?

[Jones28]

Hearts wanting Cathro binned after 8 games was bonkers too?


Ron has set the bar sacking our last manager.

Ah yes, Hearts fans, famously known throughout the world for being reasoned, or famous in almost nowhere but their own city for having delusions of grandeur and a complex about everything being bigger than their local rivals. Those people you mean?

He may have set the bar higher than our previous owner, but to sack someone after 8 games? Come on.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Ron has sacked one manager (did he sack Heckingbottom?) when, IMO, after 2 years it was clear he wasn’t turning things around and we weren’t really going anywhere under Ross. I’m not sure that equates to him being ruthless and trigger happy.

Maloney can be questioned in the here and now but I’d be astonished if after 8 games mid way through a season Ron was thinking about firing the man he hired because we still have all the failings and frailties Maloney inherited.

I'd be very surprised as well but then I was surprised last time too, especially after a rare 3rd place finish and consecutive cup finals. It's set a high bar.

I think LD sacked Hecky and appointed Ross.

[jacomo]

All you care about is results. You’ve said it before and it was your justification for wanting to keep Jack Ross. It’s time for you to stand by that and accept that we have got better based on the only metric that you say you care about rather than repeating that we’re worse now than we were under JR.

He’s gone. And if Maloney goes, you’ll be disappointed to hear it won’t be JR who replaces him. He’s gone for good.


Way too small a sample size of games to talk about metrics lol. Jack has a win percentage that rivals any Hibs manager this century but you choose to ignore that one.

Hecky enjoyed an initial bounce but it was clear to me that we’d made a mistake appointing him.

I don’t have that feeling this time, but take away those first two wins and our start under Shaun doesn’t look very good at all.

[jacomo]

I'd be very surprised as well but then I was surprised last time too, especially after a rare 3rd place finish and consecutive cup finals. It's set a high bar.

I think LD sacked Hecky and appointed Ross.


Correct, although Ron may well have had an influence in Hecky’s dismissal.

The unprecedented thing for me is sacking our manager the week before a major cup final. Never something I thought Hibs would do. We are in unchartered water here.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Way too small a sample size of games to talk about metrics lol. Jack has a win percentage that rivals any Hibs manager this century but you choose to ignore that one.

Hecky enjoyed an initial bounce but it was clear to me that we’d made a mistake appointing him.

I don’t have that feeling this time, but take away those first two wins and our start under Shaun doesn’t look very good at all.

Removing someone’s wins makes them look bad? Of course it does.

If you took all Jack Ross’ wins away from him and only used his last 9 games he wouldn’t look good either. If people are that desperate to slaughter Maloney that they’ll just remove his wins and say ‘hey he looks bad’ then he’s on a hiding to nothing.

[we are hibs]

I wouldn’t read too much into the very vocal tiny minority who are already wanting Maloney binned (even if they follow up their posts claiming they don’t want him binned, which they clearly do).


One of them posted before JR was sacked that results was all that matters to them yet Maloney has started his career better than JR finished his and now they can’t wait to tell us how we’re not any better and we should have kept JR. I mean it’s quite simply not true and if you’re going to stick up for JR by claiming results are all that you care about then you better be prepared to stick by that for the new man.

8 points from the same amount of games that JR picked up 4 points in. In fact, just in case anyone forgot how bad it got under Jack Ross, Maloney could lose his next 3 league games and he would still have picked up DOUBLE the amount of points JR picked up in his last 9 league games in his first 9. That’s how ****ing bad we were. That’s why Jack Ross got sacked, that’s why Jack Ross didn’t deserve the final, that’s why Jack Ross didn’t deserve the transfer window and that’s why Jack Ross is unemployed.

5th place to JRs 7th. By absolutely every factual measure, we’re a better team than Jack Ross’ team that he finished up with. Someone that only cares about results wanting to keep JR/pining for him to come back and wanting SM sacked? Laughable.


The same poster even declared before we knew who the new manager was going to be that he wouldn’t be able take to the new man because he wasn’t Jack Ross. It’s laughable really.

Theres 3 or 4 posters on this thread who seem to be more invested in JR than they are in Hibs. Let them spout their crap all they want, they’ll try and make enough noise to make it look like Hibs fans want Maloney binned already when it’s blatantly not the case. And for the avoidance of any doubt for these posters - if Maloney gets binned, you still don’t be getting Jack Ross back.

Let’s get behind him. There’s absolutely a lot to be unhappy about so far, but the reaction is utterly ridiculous. We’ve even got folk asking why SM should be given time when JR wasn’t. This is the same JR who had 2 years in the job, 3 Hampden horror results, numerous Easter Road horror results, next to never lay a glove on the Old Firm… and yet we’re told he wasn’t given time? How did he continue on in the job after all these dreadful results if he wasn’t given time? The guy had more horrible results and/or performances than I could count on my hands. He had more than enough time and was given plenty opportunities to rectify results that were a hell of a lot worse than the Livi and St Mirren ones from the last week.Agree 100%.


The same people who kept giving it how boring and tedious it was that people were constantly on Ross back are now doing the same to Maloney without a hint of irony.


I personally wont be judging him either way until next season; when hes had a summer window to make proper major changes to the squad. I reckon/hope hes using quite a few players out of necessity at the minute rather than rating them as part of his future plans as there is quite a few imo that arent close to being good enough. He might turn out to be a dud, he might not. Its far too early to say either way yet.


I actually read on here yesterday (cant remember who posted it) that we have taken 16 points from the last 51 points available (17 league games) which has come under 2 managers since the end of September. Thats dismal and not just a bad run. people expect that to just change overnight?

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[jacomo]

Removing someone’s wins makes them look bad? Of course it does.

If you took all Jack Ross’ wins away from him and only used his last 9 games he wouldn’t look good either. If people are that desperate to slaughter Maloney that they’ll just remove his wins and say ‘hey he looks bad’ then he’s on a hiding to nothing.


Shaun’s run of games so far is too short to talk about metrics.

Your claim that he has unquestionably improved results is a nonsense for that reason.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Shaun’s run of games so far is too short to talk about metrics.

Your claim that he has unquestionably improved results is a nonsense for that reason.

He’s picked up more points in his first however many games than JR did in the same amount of games when he left. It’s an undeniable fact that results have improved.

If I wanted to dig even deeper into it, I could also point out that JR played more teams below us in the league at the time of playing them in that run than Maloney has and also got to play Celtic at home rather than away like Maloney has. A more difficult run with double the points picked up. Results have improved. That much is undeniable yet still some posters will give it a go.

He’s managed more than enough games it seems for people to want him sacked or sit here and slaughter him. If that’s the case, he’s had more than enough games to say our results have improved

[Stevie Reid]

I wouldn’t read too much into the very vocal tiny minority who are already wanting Maloney binned (even if they follow up their posts claiming they don’t want him binned, which they clearly do).


One of them posted before JR was sacked that results was all that matters to them yet Maloney has started his career better than JR finished his and now they can’t wait to tell us how we’re not any better and we should have kept JR. I mean it’s quite simply not true and if you’re going to stick up for JR by claiming results are all that you care about then you better be prepared to stick by that for the new man.

8 points from the same amount of games that JR picked up 4 points in. In fact, just in case anyone forgot how bad it got under Jack Ross, Maloney could lose his next 3 league games and he would still have picked up DOUBLE the amount of points JR picked up in his last 9 league games in his first 9. That’s how ****ing bad we were. That’s why Jack Ross got sacked, that’s why Jack Ross didn’t deserve the final, that’s why Jack Ross didn’t deserve the transfer window and that’s why Jack Ross is unemployed.

5th place to JRs 7th. By absolutely every factual measure, we’re a better team than Jack Ross’ team that he finished up with. Someone that only cares about results wanting to keep JR/pining for him to come back and wanting SM sacked? Laughable.


The same poster even declared before we knew who the new manager was going to be that he wouldn’t be able take to the new man because he wasn’t Jack Ross. It’s laughable really.

Theres 3 or 4 posters on this thread who seem to be more invested in JR than they are in Hibs. Let them spout their crap all they want, they’ll try and make enough noise to make it look like Hibs fans want Maloney binned already when it’s blatantly not the case. And for the avoidance of any doubt for these posters - if Maloney gets binned, you still don’t be getting Jack Ross back.

Let’s get behind him. There’s absolutely a lot to be unhappy about so far, but the reaction is utterly ridiculous. We’ve even got folk asking why SM should be given time when JR wasn’t. This is the same JR who had 2 years in the job, 3 Hampden horror results, numerous Easter Road horror results, next to never lay a glove on the Old Firm… and yet we’re told he wasn’t given time? How did he continue on in the job after all these dreadful results if he wasn’t given time? The guy had more horrible results and/or performances than I could count on my hands. He had more than enough time and was given plenty opportunities to rectify results that were a hell of a lot worse than the Livi and St Mirren ones from the last week.

In the league, Maloney's points per game and goals scored per game since he came in are both lower than Ross' were for this season when he was sacked. 7 games is of course a ridiculously small sample for any manager to be judged on - just as the tail end of JR's time as manager is not representative of his tenure overall.

[Paulie Walnuts]

In the league, Maloney's points per game and goals scored per game since he came in are both lower than Ross' were for this season when he was sacked. 7 games is of course a ridiculously small sample for any manager to be judged on - just as the tail end of JR's time as manager is not representative of his tenure overall.

JR didn’t get sacked for his overall tenure this season, he got sacked for an atrocious run that he showed no signs of fixing. If he’d carried on picking up points at the same rate as his PPG average over his whole tenure or even the games he managed this season then he’d still be here.

[jacomo]

He’s picked up more points in his first however many games than JR did in the same amount of games when he left. It’s an undeniable fact that results have improved.

If I wanted to dig even deeper into it, I could also point out that JR played more teams below us in the league at the time of playing them in that run than Maloney has and also got to play Celtic at home rather than away like Maloney has. A more difficult run with double the points picked up. Results have improved. That much is undeniable yet still some posters will give it a go.

He’s managed more than enough games it seems for people to want him sacked or sit here and slaughter him. If that’s the case, he’s had more than enough games to say our results have improved


And still you continue…

Rather than slagging off your fellow supporters, you could make a positive case for Maloney instead of just repeating the same drivel?

[Paulie Walnuts]

And still you continue…

Rather than slagging off your fellow supporters, you could make a positive case for Maloney instead of just repeating the same drivel?

An improvement in results
An improvement in league placing
His signings that have made it on the park so far have all looked at least decent.
Progressed in the cup

[Stevie Reid]

JR didn’t get sacked for his overall tenure, he got sacked for an atrocious run that he showed no signs of fixing. If he’d carried on picking up points at the same rate as his PPG average over his whole tenure then he’d still be here.

Of course. And if Maloney carries on picking up points at the same rate that he's started, he won't be here very long. You'd said he'd improved us in every way possible - he really hasn't, and has a very long way to go.

Hopefully it will all click, but Maloney is currently 4 games (two of which are against the Old Firm) away from matching the atrocious run that cost Ross his job - but with none of the credit that JR had in the bank. That's ridiculously short term thinking of course, but so was the Ross sacking.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Of course. And if Maloney carries on picking up points at the same rate that he's started, he won't be here very long. You'd said he'd improved us in every way possible - he really hasn't, and has a very long way to go.

Hopefully it will all click, but Maloney is currently 4 games (two of which are against the Old Firm) away from matching the atrocious run that cost Ross his job - but with none of the credit that JR had in the bank. That's ridiculously short term thinking of course, but so was the Ross sacking.

He’s improved us from what he took over from. Jack Ross wasn’t delivering the results he was at the start of the season, so that’s not what Maloney was taking over. If Ross had been delivering those results, Maloney wouldn’t have been taking over at all. He was taking over a team on an atrocious run of form. That’s why JR was sacked. Since then our form has improved.

[Stevie Reid]

He’s improved us from what he took over from. Jack Ross wasn’t delivering the results he was at the start of the season, so that’s not what Maloney was taking over. If Ross had been delivering those results, Maloney wouldn’t have been taking over at all. He was taking over a team on an atrocious run of form. That’s why JR was sacked. Since then our form has improved.

He hasn't. We took 8 points from the seven league games prior to him taking over. And we've taken 8 point from his seven games since.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He hasn't. We took 8 points from the seven league games prior to him taking over. And we've taken 8 point from his seven games since.

And 4 of them were under a caretaker manager. He’s improved us since JR who took 4 points from his last 9. It’s JR that people have been comparing him to/claiming should still be here when slaughtering Maloney. Not David Gray.

[B.H.F.C]

He hasn't. We took 8 points from the seven league games prior to him taking over. And we've taken 8 point from his seven games since.

4 of the points in the 7 games prior to Maloney taking over would have been under Gray as opposed to Ross though.

When Ross left we seemed to get a short term boost taking 10 from 12 before the players reverted to type. Predominantly playing the same players as the first half of the season due to another poor window, the same things will happen.

[Stevie Reid]

And 4 of them were under a caretaker manager. He’s improved us since JR who took 4 points from his last 9. It’s JR that people have been comparing him to/claiming should still be here when slaughtering Maloney. Not David Gray.

Gray had two league games as caretaker manager. And funnily enough, they both count. They're definitely in the equation with regards to what Maloney came into.

[Stevie Reid]

4 of the points in the 7 games prior to Maloney taking over would have been under Gray as opposed to Ross though.

When Ross left we seemed to get a short term boost taking 10 from 12 before the players reverted to type. Predominantly playing the same players as the first half of the season due to another poor window, the same things will happen.

I'm well aware of that. It's still factored into the debate though.

[SlickShoes]

Like someone already pointed out, we still look quite bad and we still have all the issues we did under Ross because you can't just replace everyone instantly.

However, despite how bad we look, our league position is better and by winning only 2 games in the league, we are technically doing better. No one is pretending this is actually good though. The manager needs time, you don't just turn around months of terrible performances and mistakes. Despite Maloney changing the way we play you still see the same issues plaguing us.

The recruitment under Jack Ross was terrible, I didn't think it was as bad as it was but I went back and looked at all his signings and the quality level is poor.

The only positives are Paul McGinn, Nisbet?, Magennis(when he has been fit, so not sure you can even really count him since he has barely played), Doyle Hayes has been OK. Everyone else has either already been shipped out or one of our worst players, a couple of them started OK then just got progressively worse.

It is no shock that the recruitment team is no longer here.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Like someone already pointed out, we still look quite bad and we still have all the issues we did under Ross because you can't just replace everyone instantly.

However, despite how bad we look, our league position is better and by winning only 2 games in the league, we are technically doing better. No one is pretending this is actually good though. The manager needs time, you don't just turn around months of terrible performances and mistakes. Despite Maloney changing the way we play you still see the same issues plaguing us.

The recruitment under Jack Ross was terrible, I didn't think it was as bad as it was but I went back and looked at all his signings and the quality level is poor.

The only positives are Paul McGinn, Nisbet?, Magennis(when he has been fit, so not sure you can even really count him since he has barely played), Doyle Hayes has been OK. Everyone else has either already been shipped out or one of our worst players, a couple of them started OK then just got progressively worse.

It is no shock that the recruitment team is no longer here.

Agree.

One of the positives so far of Maloneys reign is that the players we’ve signed in January all look like they could contribute something. We’ve also got probably the two that on paper look the best signings still to play - Melkerson and Clarke. It’s the players that were already here that will be the issue for the rest of the season imo with a good few of them being nowhere near good enough.

[AL-Qaholik]

Terry Butcher Mk. II

Needs emptied, immediately.

Enough is enough.