Hibs v The Hun

[Hibs90]

Game was there for the taking, and I do feel if the manager was more pro active to go try win it, then we could have because performance was certainly there and they weren’t at their best. It did look like we were settling for the draw.

Penalty incident aside, it’s a missed opportunity for me.

We can’t just keep losing games though. Great win on a Saturday and a good performance, good performance tonight and we walk away empty handed. We have 4 games coming up where should be looking to take maximum points barring any situations and players can stay fit.

[Pagan Hibernia]

We have 4 very winnable league games coming up now

then the Final

then 3 tough Christmas fixtures

then the Derby.

[Bristolhibby]

Well it's current

So we beat motherwell shall we quote points gained back to the start of the losing streak?

Just keep quoting back to then to make it look worse?

What about being top of the league at the start of october

Can't go back that far ofcourse

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How about we go back as far as the start of the season?

J

[Jim44]

in the semi final we had three shots (one was a penalty) and three goals.

tonight we had a couple of efforts on goal and a couple of other decent positions that we didn’t take advantage of.

we defended well in both games.

We had far more possession tonight than we did at Hampden. there was very little in it.

You’re far too sensible to be posting this realistic common sense amid all the anti JR vitriol.

[e2los]

If we had won there would be complaints about something random.

This is the team that wins the League cup on the 19th!

:flag:

[Unseen work]

Average age of our team must be low. Hiw many stray passes from K N.

Mentioned this on another thread, for a very young team from midfield to front.

Cadden - 25
JDH - 22
Newell - 28
Campbell - 21
Doig - 19

Nisbet - 24
Boyle - 28

Agree re Nisbet, normally so good at them but some of his cross pitch balls were awful and put us in unnecessary danger.

[Silky]

What about managers that walk themselves? We've had a lot of those this century too so that point doesn't really hold up as it literally always is a two year cycle. We are at that point now so next please...

Two year cycle? Wow. That's a constant transition. No stability. No real time to make a mark, set a foundation, build a squad Just a constant transition lurching from one no mark manager to the next, wasting wads of cash having clearout after clearout to start again. But what nobody ever tells us. Who's next? Who is the next unfortunate to push our revolving door?

[Brightside]

The state of this thread. Embarrassing.

Ross is the last person you can blame for the defeat tonight. He got everything spot on for me.

Correct. Some “fans” should be embarrassed. Very good performance against the league leaders.

[tamig]

I’m not getting this hold on to a draw, we were the better team second half.

I was watching it thinking we were the team that was going to win.

Just because he doesn’t bring on Scott Allan doesn’t mean he’s settling.
Doesn’t suit the narrative of some bud. Any excuse to have a pop at the manager.

[Silky]

This place is comedy gold. The Ross hating knee jerkers should plant their feet firmly on the ground and seriously look at the big picture. Which Messiah will appear from a puff of smoke to keep them happy and get us challenging for top three. :faf:

Thats the thing! They have no idea. There's never a credible alternative put out there. There is no massiah. He wouldn't be given the time.

[JohnMcM]

We have 4 very winnable league games coming up now

then the Final

then 3 tough Christmas fixtures

then the Derby.

Will you please send a spoonful of your confidence to some of the posters on here. Thank you:aok:

[Fergus52]

It's clear that Jack Ross is the modern day Alex Miller. The lack of subs, being brave while the game was in the balance is what frustrates me with him.

He was clearly settling for a point. With the number of games we've had recently not to mention coming up it really is baffling why he didn't make any subs about 65mins in.


Horrendous shout with the comparison to miller.

Miller who came higher than 5th once in a ten year stint, usually finishing 8th or 9th.

Miller who has a win percentage of less than 35% compared to jack ross' 50%.

Come back with that comparison once Ross has us finishing 9th in the league.

[90274]

Horrendous shout with the comparison to miller.

Miller who came higher than 5th once in a ten year stint, usually finishing 8th or 9th.

Miller who has a win percentage of less than 35% compared to jack ross' 50%.

Come back with that comparison once Ross has us finishing 9th in the league.

Miller won the League Cup in 1991, Final again in 1993, Scottish Cup Semi Final 89,93,95. Had Hibs challenging for the league after January 93/94 and nearly finished 2nd in 94/95.

[Callum_62]

How about we go back as far as the start of the season?

JFair

So we could possibly be 5th, 1 point behind 4th if we win our games in hand

We are also into a cup final

Slightly below average in the league and great in the Cup

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[Fergus52]

Miller won the League Cup in 1991, Final again in 1993, Scottish Cup Semi Final 89,93,95. Had Hibs challenging for the league after January 93/94 and nearly finished 2nd in 94/95.

If you're counting getting to cup semi finals and finals as a success then Ross has almost as many in about a fifth of the time.

"Challenging" for the league in January means nothing if we finish 5th come the end of the season.

You might think their style of football is similar but Ross wins far more games, this team is never coming 8th or 9th.

[The Modfather]

Thought we did ok tonight, a bit toothless but solid enough and competed well. Thought it was a definite penalty, but don’t think Porteous did too much wrong either. Just a situation where the attacker holds all the cards and the defender has to either leave it to the keeper to make a save or make a tackle from an unfavourable position.

Difficult to criticise too much, but equally not too much to get overly excited about. Ross’ time in a nutshell for me.

[madhatter]

January window will define JRs future at Hibs. Always seems like we are a couple of injuries away from a collapse.

No idea what we would've done had Hanlon had to go off in the first half.

I understand JR reluctance to making subs. I wouldn't have wanted to take Campbell off for Murphy or Allan either. Campbell gives us good balance and work rate in midfield and Murphy and Allan breaks that.

Massive window ahead. 1-3 quality signings while rotating some squad fillers out and we can hopefully hit the ground running.

[Callum_62]

January window will define JRs future at Hibs. Always seems like we are a couple of injuries away from a collapse.

No idea what we would've done had Hanlon had to go off in the first half.

I understand JR reluctance to making subs. I wouldn't have wanted to take Campbell off for Murphy or Allan either. Campbell gives us good balance and work rate in midfield and Murphy and Allan breaks that.

Massive window ahead. 1-3 quality signings while rotating some squad fillers out and we can hopefully hit the ground running.Agree with this, our squad is lacking depth

Murphy and Allan are both OK but we lose alot of mobility with them

We need magennis back ASAP and to add to our squad

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[Stuart93]

This place is comedy gold. The Ross hating knee jerkers should plant their feet firmly on the ground and seriously look at the big picture. Which Messiah will appear from a puff of smoke to keep them happy and get us challenging for top three. :faf:

Aren’t people unhappy though because we shouldn’t need a messiah to have us challenging for top 3/3rd?

We should be doing better than we currently are. Surely that can’t be argued against.

[Fergus52]

Aren’t people unhappy though because we shouldn’t need a messiah to have us challenging for top 3/3rd?

We should be doing better than we currently are. Surely that can’t be argued against.

We should 100% be doing better than we are in the league, but that fact doesn't make the Ross out chat after tonight any less ridiculous for me.

[ElginHibbie]

January window will define JRs future at Hibs. Always seems like we are a couple of injuries away from a collapse.

No idea what we would've done had Hanlon had to go off in the first half.

I understand JR reluctance to making subs. I wouldn't have wanted to take Campbell off for Murphy or Allan either. Campbell gives us good balance and work rate in midfield and Murphy and Allan breaks that.

Massive window ahead. 1-3 quality signings while rotating some squad fillers out and we can hopefully hit the ground running.

This is my thinking as well, hopefully the club realise they screwed up in summer and we get decent business done

There is the danger the damage could be done before then in terms of losing (more) of the fans support in Ross, but last 4 games are showing promising signs post Covid scare and with next 4 being ones we should be expecting to win I'm hopeful league position will look better come January and we can continue to build on that with decent additions

[NC1875]

We should 100% be doing better than we are in the league, but that fact doesn't make the Ross out chat after tonight any less ridiculous for me.

It’s not just after tonight though

[matty_f]

I can’t believe ( well i can) that folk are having a go at Ross for that tonight. I thought we were good and well worth a point. If it had been 1-0 in our favour i don’t think Rangers would have felt robbed but a draw would have been fair enough.

Night and day to the Celtic defeat a few weeks ago.

[Stuart93]

We should 100% be doing better than we are in the league, but that fact doesn't make the Ross out chat after tonight any less ridiculous for me.

Na I agree. Can’t be calling for JR’s head after tonight. But to suggest we need a messiah to compete for 3rd is nonsense

[Callum_62]

Aren’t people unhappy though because we shouldn’t need a messiah to have us challenging for top 3/3rd?

We should be doing better than we currently are. Surely that can’t be argued against.Ofcourse, we have just came out of a really poor run of Results

5 loses in a row is never acceptable

We still ain't that far behind where we wnat to be if we can start getting back to winnings ways

We had a poor month or 2 but we were exactly where we wanted to be at the start of October

As I said above, overall a bit below average in the league and great in the Cup would be my assessment

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[bigwheel]

I can’t believe ( well i can) that folk are having a go at Ross for that tonight. I thought we were good and well worth a point. If it had been 1-0 in our favour i don’t think Rangers would have felt robbed but a draw would have been fair enough.

Night and day to the Celtic defeat a few weeks ago.

Yes you can Matty - and you know there are a couple who will be delighted to get the chance to do it

It is so boring zzzzzzzzzzzz

[Pilrig_Sauzee]

Here we go. I thought we competed well for a lot of that match, most off it really. I think Rangers were there for the taking and looked rattled at times, but then looked really quick and on it at others. We might have gambled a little earlier and pushed things, but I can see why he didn’t make subs till later . Another day the penalty doesn’t happen. Another day we get more of a break. Overall i saw a decent match against the league leaders, but frustrated we ended up with nothing; no one wants to lose against them. I am generally a glass half-full guy though. From those around me in the FF stand, I never got a sense of “ffs Ross” or “ffs Hibs”. And that happens without too mich prompting normally.

[green day]

I can’t believe ( well i can) that folk are having a go at Ross for that tonight. I thought we were good and well worth a point. If it had been 1-0 in our favour i don’t think Rangers would have felt robbed but a draw would have been fair enough.

Night and day to the Celtic defeat a few weeks ago.

Exactly, and apart from the Ross County match, we have been good since our enforced break.

Could do with a win on Saturday though...............

[Stuart93]

Ofcourse, we have just came out of a really poor run if Resukts

5 loses in a row is never acceptable

We still ain't that far behind where we wnat to be if we can start getting back to winnings ways

We had a poor month or 2 but we were exactly where we wanted to be at the start if October

As I said above, overall a bit below average in the league and great in the Cup would be my assessment

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Agree with that. My concern is it seems to be hanging a bit on “if we win our games in hand”.

[Callum_62]

Agree with that. My concern is it seems to be hanging a bit on “if we win our games in hand”.Well ofcourse we need to claw back some points that we lost with the 5 game losing streak

I think the last 3 games we have played pretty well, regardless of the end result

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[B.H.F.C]

Agree with that. My concern is it seems to be hanging a bit on “if we win our games in hand”.

It’s not just a case of winning the games in hand either, we need to match the teams we’re chasing in the other games as well.

Saturday a big one if we want to push up the league. We’ve got some winnable fixtures coming up, need to get on a run.

[Fergus52]

It’s not just after tonight though

Well most of the posters currently calling for it have been silent since the cup semi final, so tonight must have changed something?

[GRA]

Just back from the game. Thought we played well for the most part and more than matched the league leaders for large parts of the game which is encouraging.

However, was a bit miffed at no subs till we conceded. Given our schedule of games it was clear we needed some subs on the last 20-25 minutes to match the fresh legs of Rangers, not simply reactive once we went one down.

[Stuart93]

Well ofcourse we need to claw back some points that we lost with the 5 game losing streak

I think the last 3 games we have played pretty well, regardless of the end result

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I never seen the game tonight unfortunately but seen most of it on Saturday and was impressed by how we played.

Need to carry it in to saturdays game. I’d quite like to see Doidge and Nisbet up top. Quite looking forward to getting back to ER as I’ve not been for a while, ask me again at full time though haha.

[ahibby]

Lack of squad depth
7 subs
4 were signed by Ross
1 of which got 5 minutes

Telling

Bur like he saud, the subs needed for this game Halberg and Magennis were not available.

[The Captain....]

Miller won the League Cup in 1991, Final again in 1993, Scottish Cup Semi Final 89,93,95. Had Hibs challenging for the league after January 93/94 and nearly finished 2nd in 94/95.Wouldn't mind watching the football we played under old Lexo wi Keef, Darren, Crunchie and Michael O'Neil again. Was a great side to watch. More the exception than the rule unfortunately under him but credit where its due.

Not that I'm a Ross out man..his record in league finishes and Cup semis and finals mean there is no chance in hell the board would even consider getting rid.

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[Smartie]

I can’t believe ( well i can) that folk are having a go at Ross for that tonight. I thought we were good and well worth a point. If it had been 1-0 in our favour i don’t think Rangers would have felt robbed but a draw would have been fair enough.

Night and day to the Celtic defeat a few weeks ago.

I don’t think he’s had a horror show and been hopelessly culpable for a bad defeat.

He was just a bit tentative when in a good position to make a bid to win the game. It’s also just after the game and folk will be reacting a bit emotionally.

He’s not immune to criticism after tonight and tbh, over the piece we played fairly well.

It’s just that feeling that we’ll have more night like that under him - getting into positions to achieve something, then not quite managing it.

[St.Kristopher]

I can’t believe ( well, i can) that folk are having a go at Ross for that tonight. I thought we were good and well worth a point. If it had been 1-0 in our favour i don’t think Rangers would have felt robbed, but a draw would have been fair enough.

Night and day to the Celtic defeat a few weeks ago.

Agree 100%, Matty. I know we have had the beating of Rangers over the last five years at times but to expect to beat them twice in a row with two key players out for us is crazy. We gave them a good game and were unlucky not to come away with something. I have no idea how people can expect to win against Rangers and want the manager out if it doesn’t go our way.

[B.H.F.C]

Agree 100%, Matty. I know we have had the beating of Rangers over the last five years at times but to expect to beat them twice in a row with two key players out for us is crazy. We gave them a good game and were unlucky not to come away with something. I have no idea how people can expect to win against Rangers and want the manager out if it doesn’t go our way.

I didn’t expect to beat them before the game. But I thought we missed an opportunity to do so based on how it went.

I thought we merited a point but also I thought it was very similar to the Ross County game last week where we were offering nothing in the final third and only tried to change that when reacting to losing a goal, when it was too late.

We need to start scoring goals or we’re going to be miles off it in the league.

[madhatter]

Agree 100%, Matty. I know we have had the beating of Rangers over the last five years at times but to expect to beat them twice in a row with two key players out for us is crazy. We gave them a good game and were unlucky not to come away with something. I have no idea how people can expect to win against Rangers and want the manager out if it doesn’t go our way.

Does anybody genuinely want JR gone because of tonight in isolation? I cannot believe that's the case.

People are annoyed. JR's stay at Hibs will follow the same rules as almost every manager to ever grace the game of football and especially those at clubs aspiring to grow - league position at the end of the season (providing no relegation battle).

Sadly JR and Hibs are underperforming at the moment. Win games in hand and things will look much better but easier said than done.

[Jim44]

Na I agree. Can’t be calling for JR’s head after tonight. But to suggest we need a messiah to compete for 3rd is nonsense

Ok, messiah my word, rightly or wrongly, but, realistically, who is out there who is going to do the business? I don’t think we are that bad, in fact, I find a lot of our play very good. I can honestly say that my disappointment with recent results is anywhere near the despair and futility I felt with some of our erstwhile managerial imposters.

[Stevie Reid]

I don’t think he’s had a horror show and been hopelessly culpable for a bad defeat.

He was just a bit tentative when in a good position to make a bid to win the game. It’s also just after the game and folk will be reacting a bit emotionally.

He’s not immune to criticism after tonight and tbh, over the piece we played fairly well.

It’s just that feeling that we’ll have more night like that under him - getting into positions to achieve something, then not quite managing it.

0-0 draw would have likely been the fairest reflection of the game tonight. Thought we were the better team when they got the winner.

Funnily enough, our group were having the sub chat with 15 mins to go, Allan and Murphy were suggested and my inclination was not to bring them on unless we went behind - thought the team still had lots of energy, and that we may have left ourselves vulnerable if we’d taken Cadden and Campbell off.

I wouldn’t hold anything against Ross tonight, I thought we played well and deserved a point without question. Disappointing to lose, but happy with the level of performance.

Should be a decent contest on Saturday, having Doidge back will make big difference. He’d have caused Rangers problems tonight.

[pacoluna]

Clear as day that subs should have been made round the 70th minute, game was calling out for the pace of Murphy, cadden should have been hooked.

[oneone73]

The pace of Murphy??

[wookie70]

0-0 draw would have likely been the fairest reflection of the game tonight. Thought we were the better team when they got the winner.

Funnily enough, our group were having the sub chat with 15 mins to go, Allan and Murphy were suggested and my inclination was not to bring them on unless we went behind - thought the team still had lots of energy, and that we may have left ourselves vulnerable if we’d taken Cadden and Campbell off.

I wouldn’t hold anything against Ross tonight, I thought we played well and deserved a point without question. Disappointing to lose, but happy with the level of performance.

Should be a decent contest on Saturday, having Doidge back will make big difference. He’d have caused Rangers problems tonight.

Pretty much matches my view. I think we looked like scoring more than they did up until Porteous had a brain fart. He had competed well and were causing them problems down their left. The midfield three all played well and I thought leaving it as it was was probably the right choice. I might have taken Boyle off as he was honking and never worked as hard as normal. Possibly stick Murphy on and give him a free role. We deserved a point tonight and that is the third game on the spin against them where Porteous has played really well but made errors that have cost us. What we needed tonight was to be able to bring on an Arfield type player who would have kept the legs in the team but offered a forward threat. When we did make the subs we pretty much fell to pieces with Allan and Murphy losing the ball cheaply and no shape to us going forward or defending. They never had any time to do much though. Take it on the chin and at least we move into a busy period looking like we are playing ok and now just need to start creating a few more chances.

[pacoluna]

The pace of Murphy??

Yes the guy who can actually get to the byline

[pacoluna]

Ross's interview just annoys me, laughing about the penalty incident. Wish he would show some balls, he's too nice.

[Stuart93]

Ok, messiah my word, rightly or wrongly, but, realistically, who is out there who is going to do the business? I don’t think we are that bad, in fact, I find a lot of our play very good. I can honestly say that my disappointment with recent results is anywhere near the despair and futility I felt with some of our erstwhile managerial imposters.

I’m not sure mate, suppose that would be the boards job to find someone who they think could better JR

Yep I think over the course of the last 3/4 games our play has improved. We still need more of a cutting edge though. 1 shot on target tonight isn’t great.

It’s nowhere near butcher levels of performance

[B.H.F.C]

Pretty much matches my view. I think we looked like scoring more than they did up until Porteous had a brain fart. He had competed well and were causing them problems down their left. The midfield three all played well and I thought leaving it as it was was probably the right choice. I might have taken Boyle off as he was honking and never worked as hard as normal. Possibly stick Murphy on and give him a free role. We deserved a point tonight and that is the third game on the spin against them where Porteous has played really well but made errors that have cost us. What we needed tonight was to be able to bring on an Arfield type player who would have kept the legs in the team but offered a forward threat. When we did make the subs we pretty much fell to pieces with Allan and Murphy losing the ball cheaply and no shape to us going forward or defending. They never had any time to do much though. Take it on the chin and at least we move into a busy period looking like we are playing ok and now just need to start creating a few more chances.

It fell to pieces because the goal left us chasing, not because of the subs.

I think we had someone who could have come on and offered something in the final third like Arfield did but chose not to use him. I don’t think it would have left us lacking legs in the middle of the park either (although we seemed to be lacking them leading up to the penalty anyway).

Can understand why he went with that team to night but really hope it’s not the same midfield on Saturday.

[jacomo]

I didn’t expect to beat them before the game. But I thought we missed an opportunity to do so based on how it went.

I thought we merited a point but also I thought it was very similar to the Ross County game last week where we were offering nothing in the final third and only tried to change that when reacting to losing a goal, when it was too late.

We need to start scoring goals or we’re going to be miles off it in the league.


:agree:

Not a bad performance by any means but Rangers make a double substitution shortly after the hour to try and win it and our management team chit chat in the dug out.

Too cautious, even when we know having a go is the key to these games.

[Northernhibee]

I think we got it right, went man for man and pressed hard. Just needed a break of the ball to go the right way.

It wasn’t the sort of game for Scott Allan and can fully understand how Ross kept it as it was.

[O'Rourke3]

While not good enough in front of goal I haven't seen a performance like that from a ref since Bobby Davidson.

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[B.H.F.C]

I think we got it right, went man for man and pressed hard. Just needed a break of the ball to go the right way.

It wasn’t the sort of game for Scott Allan and can fully understand how Ross kept it as it was.

Understand why we went the way we did but thought it was exactly the sort of game for him later on. They took a defensive midfielder off for an offensive midfielder and it made a big difference for them. We did it too late.

[shetlandhibee]

Understand why we went the way we did but thought it was exactly the sort of game for him later on. They took a defensive midfielder off for an offensive midfielder and it made a big difference for them. We did it too late.
:top marks:top marks

[Jones28]

What a ****ing ridiculous post, there is not one post saying Ross out, but are questioning his subs and whether he was happy with a point. Overly happy clappers like yourself is more irritating that reading posts from all the moaners.

It’s just so ****ing predictable 😂

[Shrekko]

I don’t think he’s had a horror show and been hopelessly culpable for a bad defeat.

He was just a bit tentative when in a good position to make a bid to win the game. It’s also just after the game and folk will be reacting a bit emotionally.

He’s not immune to criticism after tonight and tbh, over the piece we played fairly well.

It’s just that feeling that we’ll have more night like that under him - getting into positions to achieve something, then not quite managing it.


You do realise that Rangers have better players than us aye?

It's probably to the players and managers credit that it was a 50/50 game but because we lose a late penalty it's because we're not adventurous enough?

We gave ourselves a good chance to win the game and it could have happened with the players we had on at the start. But folk have this simplistic idea that if we throw on Allan and Murphy we'll be slicing them to bits because they are attacking players. We might actually be exposing ourselves to an even greater extent by having them on.

People talk about JR doing this and that like it's some kind of computer game that takes no account of any opposition that he has total control over everything that happens on the pitch.

I honestly have no idea who we could ever bring in that would satisfy a section of our fans... the one's that seem to believe we have a divine right to challenge for everything completely ignoring the fact we're up against 2 teams with 10 times our resources. Last year our good League form was being disregarded as if it was nothing ... but yet it seems to be all important this season! The narrative gets twisted to suit constantly- the fact is some people just want him out.

[CropleyisGod]

You do realise that Rangers have better players than us aye?

It's probably to the players and managers credit that it was a 50/50 game but because we lose a late penalty it's because we're not adventurous enough?

We gave ourselves a good chance to win the game and it could have happened with the players we had on at the start. But folk have this simplistic idea that if we throw on Allan and Murphy we'll be slicing them to bits because they are attacking players. We might actually be exposing ourselves to an even greater extent by having them on.

People talk about JR doing this and that like it's some kind of computer game that takes no account of any opposition that he has total control over everything that happens on the pitch.

I honestly have no idea who we could ever bring in that would satisfy a section of our fans... the one's that seem to believe we have a divine right to challenge for everything completely ignoring the fact we're up against 2 teams with 10 times our resources. Last year our good League form was being disregarded as if it was nothing ... but yet it seems to be all important this season! The narrative gets twisted to suit constantly- the fact is some people just want him out.

Well said sir

[Hibernia&Alba]

I thought we deserved a point. We were well organised and worked hard all game; so frustrating to throw it away like that near the end, but Porteous has those crazy moments whereby his concentration lapses. It was a nailed on penalty. I feel for the team, because they earned a draw in that game. You can work hard for 85 minutes, only to see it undone in a split second.

Encouraging performance, however. If we can keep that level of performance going, we'll win more than we'll lose.

[JammyDoidger]

Well said sir

Jack ross has found a team and system that looks competitive again, Murphy and Allan are impact players, for games like Saturday against saints, not at 0-0 in a tense affair against the sticky's, jack ross got it right tonight for me. Bring them on earlier and I think rangers would have had a more more joy against us. On to Saturday. Same shape, same team if possible, kick on.

[Since452]

I blame Jack Ross for not subbing Porteous off before he gave away the penalty 😉

[PeeJay]

If there are no players with any real quality then what difference will subs make?

Fair point - wasn't clear enough - they were on the bench .. came on too late

[NC1875]

Understand why we went the way we did but thought it was exactly the sort of game for him later on. They took a defensive midfielder off for an offensive midfielder and it made a big difference for them. We did it too late.

And in taking that defensive midfielder off left a perfect hole for Scott Allan to play in. Jack Ross was too cautious again, it’s like he doesn’t actually believe in his own team. Go and try and win the game.

[JammyDoidger]

The best way I can think of that would bring attention to the refereeing performances is to boycott the next game against them home and away, home would be a bigger impact, if it's on tv and there's literally no hibs fans there, because we are sick fed up of dodgy refereeing performances against that lot, that would make the headlines that's for sure.

[Brightside]

Rangers played tight and compact. We competed with them the whole game. We played some very good football. We were dominating the midfield so it totally makes sense to not make changes. Anyone not thinking that was an excellent performance against the top team in the league is clearly running with an anti Jack Ross agenda. Every single player worked hard and performed well and our tactics were bang on. We just didn’t get the goals needed. And before anyone says it. YES we did create chances especially in the second half.

[JimBHibees]

Rangers played tight and compact. We competed with them the whole game. We played some very good football. We were dominating the midfield so it totally makes sense to not make changes. Anyone not thinking that was an excellent performance against the top team in the league is clearly running with an anti Jack Ross agenda. Every single player worked hard and performed well and our tactics were bang on. We just didn’t get the goals needed. And before anyone says it. YES we did create chances especially in the second half.

Agree with that thought we competed well.

[MWHIBBIES]

I think it's extremely daft to go after a manager who loses a close, one off game. Any individual match can go either way with the smallest things making a difference.

Ross has got us 2 wins, 2 losses since we've returned to playing. Mostly importantly, he's got us 4 very competitive performances and ultimately, won the really big game that we'll always look back on fondly.

No Hibs manager can win every week but we're definitely competing well and if we keep doing that, we'll find consistent results again. We have 4 very winnable games coming up. 3 wins and a draw would see us right back up the league. Time to go again.

[Brightside]

You do realise that Rangers have better players than us aye?

It's probably to the players and managers credit that it was a 50/50 game but because we lose a late penalty it's because we're not adventurous enough?

We gave ourselves a good chance to win the game and it could have happened with the players we had on at the start. But folk have this simplistic idea that if we throw on Allan and Murphy we'll be slicing them to bits because they are attacking players. We might actually be exposing ourselves to an even greater extent by having them on.

People talk about JR doing this and that like it's some kind of computer game that takes no account of any opposition that he has total control over everything that happens on the pitch.

I honestly have no idea who we could ever bring in that would satisfy a section of our fans... the one's that seem to believe we have a divine right to challenge for everything completely ignoring the fact we're up against 2 teams with 10 times our resources. Last year our good League form was being disregarded as if it was nothing ... but yet it seems to be all important this season! The narrative gets twisted to suit constantly- the fact is some people just want him out.

Great post.

[B.H.F.C]

Rangers played tight and compact. We competed with them the whole game. We played some very good football. We were dominating the midfield so it totally makes sense to not make changes. Anyone not thinking that was an excellent performance against the top team in the league is clearly running with an anti Jack Ross agenda. Every single player worked hard and performed well and our tactics were bang on. We just didn’t get the goals needed. And before anyone says it. YES we did create chances especially in the second half.

What chances did we create in the second half? I recall Newell putting one across the face of goal and there was one that dropped to Cadden that was a half chance at very best.

I think it was a decent performance which probably merited a point but all this pish about being anti JR if you don’t think it was excellent is just that. Nobody can deny we competed but we certainly didn’t dominate.

[JohnM1875]

Popped on the highlights cause I wanted to see the pen incident again. The third angle of the pen, the refs best one incidentally, I'm not sure there's any contact at all! No wonder Porto is furious.

[jacomo]

You do realise that Rangers have better players than us aye?

It's probably to the players and managers credit that it was a 50/50 game but because we lose a late penalty it's because we're not adventurous enough?

We gave ourselves a good chance to win the game and it could have happened with the players we had on at the start. But folk have this simplistic idea that if we throw on Allan and Murphy we'll be slicing them to bits because they are attacking players. We might actually be exposing ourselves to an even greater extent by having them on.

People talk about JR doing this and that like it's some kind of computer game that takes no account of any opposition that he has total control over everything that happens on the pitch.

I honestly have no idea who we could ever bring in that would satisfy a section of our fans... the one's that seem to believe we have a divine right to challenge for everything completely ignoring the fact we're up against 2 teams with 10 times our resources. Last year our good League form was being disregarded as if it was nothing ... but yet it seems to be all important this season! The narrative gets twisted to suit constantly- the fact is some people just want him out.


I think you are over reacting.

Rangers made positive substitutions after 60 minutes. We didn’t. They went on to win the game.

We know our manager is competent, but a number of us are frustrated by his innate caution.

This doesn’t seem an especially controversial thing to say but you are determined to make an argument it seems.

[jacomo]

Popped on the highlights cause I wanted to see the pen incident again. The third angle of the pen, the refs best one incidentally, I'm not sure there's any contact at all! No wonder Porto is furious.


I’d like to see it again because I have to say it looked pretty clear cut.

[JimBHibees]

I think you are over reacting.

Rangers made positive substitutions after 60 minutes. We didn’t. They went on to win the game.

We know our manager is competent, but a number of us are frustrated by his innate caution.

This doesn’t seem an especially controversial thing to say but you are determined to make an argument it seems.

Fair to say also Rangers subs didn't really change the game in any meaningful way. Son and I discussed this last night at the match with about 20 to go and I was saying Ross would be scared of changing it as we were doing well and they weren't threatening while he was of the opinion he wouldn't change it. Damned if he does damned if he doesn't.

[JohnM1875]

I’d like to see it again because I have to say it looked pretty clear cut.

Thought the exact same from the west upper and even on the first few angles of the replay. But in he third there's no contact.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPPswTplKfI&ab_channel=HibernianFootballClub

Pen incident starts around 4:40 mark

[J-C]

It’s just so ****ing predictable 😂


There will always be posters not happy about a manager/player and there's nothing you can do about that, do what I and most others do and just ignore it, I'm pretty sure your constant positivity annoys all the moaners.

I thought we played quite well without really threatening, Porteous gave the ref a reason to give a penalty but I too thought Ross was slow in making the subs and it looked like he was happy with a point before the penalty was given, it forced his hand, for me that's poor management.

[JimBHibees]

I’d like to see it again because I have to say it looked pretty clear cut.

First tv angle looks like no contact one behind the goal looked like some minimal contact on his boot.

[hibsbollah]

I’d like to see it again because I have to say it looked pretty clear cut.

Having watched it, I think it’s both a dive AND a pen. But I think we all know it wouldn’t have been given at the other end.

[90274]

17 points from 69 points in games v Rangers Celtic Hearts Aberdeen. 4 draws from 14 games v the Old Firm, that's 4 points from 42 available points. Not to mention 3 points from 21 available in the last 7 league games. He needs league results and fast.

Last night for me sums everything up about Jack Ross and is a replica of Sunderland til I die. Take a chance and try and win the game, be pro active not reactive. This is why a number of fans will never take to him.

We need the feeling back of being on the upward trajectory and like we are going somewhere again. Massive few months ahead for Jack Ross with the window and rest of the league season with so much riding on it.

[B.H.F.C]

There will always be posters not happy about a manager/player and there's nothing you can do about that, do what I and most others do and just ignore it, I'm pretty sure your constant positivity annoys all the moaners.

I thought we played quite well without really threatening, Porteous gave the ref a reason to give a penalty but I too thought Ross was slow in making the subs and it looked like he was happy with a point before the penalty was given, it forced his hand, for me that's poor management.

There is more people talking about people being negative and and wanting Ross out than there is actual posts about it.

[Tambo]

Bit disappointed we never came away with a point even though we never created a lot but I thought we played well off the ball and in the second half we was much the better team on the ball.

Definitely a dive from the Kent the ugly Hun.

[Smartie]

You do realise that Rangers have better players than us aye?

It's probably to the players and managers credit that it was a 50/50 game but because we lose a late penalty it's because we're not adventurous enough?

We gave ourselves a good chance to win the game and it could have happened with the players we had on at the start. But folk have this simplistic idea that if we throw on Allan and Murphy we'll be slicing them to bits because they are attacking players. We might actually be exposing ourselves to an even greater extent by having them on.

People talk about JR doing this and that like it's some kind of computer game that takes no account of any opposition that he has total control over everything that happens on the pitch.

I honestly have no idea who we could ever bring in that would satisfy a section of our fans... the one's that seem to believe we have a divine right to challenge for everything completely ignoring the fact we're up against 2 teams with 10 times our resources. Last year our good League form was being disregarded as if it was nothing ... but yet it seems to be all important this season! The narrative gets twisted to suit constantly- the fact is some people just want him out.

I do realise they have better players than us and I thought Hibs made a good effort last night - as they have done the past half dozen or so times we've played Rangers.

Over the piece I'd expect us to take the odd scudding from them. I'd expect them to narrowly beat us fairly regularly, then I'd expect us to get the odd point and the odd win.

What frustrated me last night wasn't that we didn't play well or that we deserved more - it was just that I thought we got into a good position to win the game, had players on the bench who could have given us that bit extra in order to do so but then we din't use them. I thought that last night was worth a gamble.

Other people have a different opinion and FWIW I respect that and understand it.

This isn't monkey suit on or demonstrate in the plaza stuff (that maybe happens if we struggle to pick up points over the next 4 winnable games though).

I just felt it was a bit meek having done very well to get ourselves into a decent position - and I think that's a feature of Jack Ross football.

Over the piece it was a good performance against a good team and other than that I don't have many complaints.

[90274]

There is more people talking about people being negative and and wanting Ross out than there is actual posts about it.

If anyone is negative it's the manager.

In the game and it's there for the taking with 15 mins to go. I think the majority would want us to bring on a couple of players and try and win the game, beat the champions at home and send the fans home happy with a much needed 3 points.

If it ended up as it did last night, so be it but at least we showed initiative and hypothetically a manager who would come out and say along the lines of - "yeah well the game was there to be won, we tried to win the game but were sucker punched. We need points just now so we tried to win the game.... "

The fans would respect that I think more than what happened last night - hoping for a point.

[Brightside]

17 points from 69 points in games v Rangers Celtic Hearts Aberdeen. 4 draws from 14 games v the Old Firm, that's 4 points from 42 available points. Not to mention 3 points from 21 available in the last 7 league games. He needs league results and fast.

Last night for me sums everything up about Jack Ross and is a replica of Sunderland til I die. Take a chance and try and win the game, be pro active not reactive. This is why a number of fans will never take to him.

We need the feeling back of being on the upward trajectory and like we are going somewhere again. Massive few months ahead for Jack Ross with the window and rest of the league season with so much riding on it.

Do you not get bored of this.

[Rumble de Thump]

If anyone is negative it's the manager.

In the game and it's there for the taking with 15 mins to go. I think the majority would want us to bring on a couple of players and try and win the game, beat the champions at home and send the fans home happy with a much needed 3 points.

If it ended up as it did last night, so be it but at least we showed initiative and hypothetically a manager who would come out and say along the lines of - "yeah well the game was there to be won, we tried to win the game but were sucker punched. We need points just now so we tried to win the game.... "

The fans would respect that I think more than what happened last night - hoping for a point.

We were trying to win the game for the whole game.

[Brightside]

There will always be posters not happy about a manager/player and there's nothing you can do about that, do what I and most others do and just ignore it, I'm pretty sure your constant positivity annoys all the moaners.

I thought we played quite well without really threatening, Porteous gave the ref a reason to give a penalty but I too thought Ross was slow in making the subs and it looked like he was happy with a point before the penalty was given, it forced his hand, for me that's poor management.

When we play well those posters (well one in particular) still claim we are a negative football team. It’s just complete and utter bollocks. We aren’t a negative team.

[Heisenberg]

If anyone is negative it's the manager.

In the game and it's there for the taking with 15 mins to go. I think the majority would want us to bring on a couple of players and try and win the game, beat the champions at home and send the fans home happy with a much needed 3 points.

If it ended up as it did last night, so be it but at least we showed initiative and hypothetically a manager who would come out and say along the lines of - "yeah well the game was there to be won, we tried to win the game but were sucker punched. We need points just now so we tried to win the game.... "

The fans would respect that I think more than what happened last night - hoping for a point.

You’d have 100% been on here slating him if he’d brought on Allan/Murphy and we’d been opened right up and lost the game. We were more than matching them without making changes, I’d have liked Allan on too but can see why we kept it the same.

[Cod Boy]

Cadden was getting plenty space on the right I don’t know why he didn’t move Boyle there for a while in second half as he has the pace the get past them.

[Smartie]

When we play well those posters (well one in particular) still claim we are a negative football team. It’s just complete and utter bollocks. We aren’t a negative team.

We're not a negative team.

But we're not a "throw everything at trying to win the game once we've got into a decent position to do so" team either.

Whatever happens, if you lose then the team and the manager get a bit of criticism. But I think the manager gets less criticism and a bit more love from the fans if we lose that game having a bit more of a go than losing it the way we did.

Murphy and Allan are flawed players, we all know that. Throwing them on might well have cost us the game.

All we were lacking was a bit of guile in the final third and with legs tiring, we had men on the bench who might have made the difference.

Might.

We'll never know.

[flash]

Do you not get bored of this.

He might not but I certainly do. I couldn't make it last night and had to watch on the box.
I thought we worked our socks off and reduced them to a couple of decent chances.
We had a spell in the second half where we were pinning them back and it seemed pretty obvious to me why we didn't make any changes.
Our decision making around the opposition penalty area isn't always the best but that's a minor criticism.
Thought it was a pretty clear penalty but am off to have another look!

[Keith_M]

Last night's game was very close, with very little between the two teams. That was because the players we had on the pitch for most of the game were giving their all, closing down the Rangers players at every opportunity.

There is a possibility that making a change would have turned the game in our favour, but it could just as easily have turned the game in Rangers favour.

Imagine the meltdown on here if Ross had brought on a couple of subs and Rangers went on to win.

[J-C]

Last night's game was very close, with very little between the two teams. That was because the players we had on the pitch for most of the game were giving their all, closing down the Rangers players at every opportunity.

There is a possibility that making a change would have turned the game in our favour, but it could just as easily have turned the game in Rangers favour.

Imagine the meltdown on here if Ross had brought on a couple of subs and Rangers went on to win.


It was clear one or two players were tiring due to the number of games played, Rangers made their subs and were getting further forward and getting far more possession compared to the 1st half, that's when Ross should've made his subs which were only made after we lost the penalty, he was happy with the point and that's why a good few are unhappy with him.

[Jones28]

There will always be posters not happy about a manager/player and there's nothing you can do about that, do what I and most others do and just ignore it, I'm pretty sure your constant positivity annoys all the moaners.

I thought we played quite well without really threatening, Porteous gave the ref a reason to give a penalty but I too thought Ross was slow in making the subs and it looked like he was happy with a point before the penalty was given, it forced his hand, for me that's poor management.

Maybe you're right and I should ignore it more, it just gets my back up that these posters are nowhere to be seen after good results but jump on their keyboards saying the same thing week in week out. They dont take any nuance from any matches, its like the copy & paste replies that they apply to any match.

It ruins threads.

[Since90+2]

I don't think we played that badly. The game was fairly even when we lost the goal so I can see why Ross didn't change things.

We didn't create many chances again though which is a worry. Our midfield is fairly need and tidy and they keep their shape well but there's definitely a lack of cutting edge.

[Fergus52]

There is more people talking about people being negative and and wanting Ross out than there is actual posts about it.

There were several posters calling for Ross to be sacked last night, lots of people are obviously going to respond to that if they strongly disagree.

[jacomo]

Fair to say also Rangers subs didn't really change the game in any meaningful way. Son and I discussed this last night at the match with about 20 to go and I was saying Ross would be scared of changing it as we were doing well and they weren't threatening while he was of the opinion he wouldn't change it. Damned if he does damned if he doesn't.


There’s no guarantee of anything, but they made changes to try and affect the game.

Josh Campbell was diligent and ran hard all night, but didn’t create anything really or threaten them. For me, the obvious move was to sub him for Scott and give them a different problem to worry about.

As I say, it might not work, but we have a manager who’d rather try and hold on for a point than go for all 3.

[J-C]

Maybe you're right and I should ignore it more, it just gets my back up that these posters are nowhere to be seen after good results but jump on their keyboards saying the same thing week in week out. They dont take any nuance from any matches, its like the copy & paste replies that they apply to any match.

It ruins threads.


See it just doesn't bother me, there as as many so called happy clappers counteracting the bed wetters, some will never be happy until we win the league and all the cups and others are just as happy seeing us compete and get the odd cup run and Euro spot every few years.

I tend to be positive and negative if and when the games we play deserve it. Last night we competed well but certain players looked leggy after all the games we've just played, Ross could've been more proactive and made changes earlier but I think he was happy with the point and was forced into the changes after we lost the penalty. I think that's what annoys certain posters, Ross can be overly cautious at times instead of taking the game by the throat and going for it, it was a regular moan by many Sunderland fans.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Having watched it, I think it’s both a dive AND a pen. But I think we all know it wouldn’t have been given at the other end.

It's very possible it wouldn't have been given against the Old Firm, but it was a penalty. Such a shame to concede it so late.

[Jones28]

See it just doesn't bother me, there as as many so called happy clappers counteracting the bed wetters, some will never be happy until we win the league and all the cups and others are just as happy seeing us compete and get the odd cup run and Euro spot every few years.

I tend to be positive and negative if and when the games we play deserve it. Last night we competed well but certain players looked leggy after all the games we've just played, Ross could've been more proactive and made changes earlier but I think he was happy with the point and was forced into the changes after we lost the penalty. I think that's what annoys certain posters, Ross can be overly cautious at times instead of taking the game by the throat and going for it, it was a regular moan by many Sunderland fans.

I would describe myself as trying to see the positives, but I'll stick the boot in when I feel its merited. I just don't think we had the bodies on the bench that Ross felt would have made that big an influence on the game - hence the lack of changes. If anyone came on I thought it would have been Gogic tbh, to try and shore up the midfield. I don't disagree that we could have made a change, but I think Ross felt the options we had weren't right for the circumstances. If he had made changes and we'd lost by 2/3 breakaway goals would he have gotten plaudits for losing but having a go? I have my doubts on that tbh.

Rangers did to us last night what we did to them at hampden: defend deep and use the pace going forward, get back in numbers and make your tackles; don't be afraid to launch it in behind if you see the opportunity. It was much more utilitarian than Gerrard's Rangers and I think the will be doing what they can to win the league, style doesn't matter.

We matched them all over the park and actually I think we came the closest to scoring (Goldson brilliant clearance) and got caught out by a very soft/non-penalty.

Ross is a pragmatic manager and I'm sure if prior to the St Johnston game someone said you'll take 4 points in the next 2 games we all would have snapped their hand off for it. I do get that in the cold light of day it's different game by game but sometimes I look at these things in the round. I said after the ross county game that we needed 2 points from the games against St Johnstone and Rangers, then 6 points from our next 12 in the build up to the final. With the game against Saints being as good as it was and the performance last night I'm pretty happy with the trajectory we seem to have gotten ourselves on.

Onwards and upwards.

[wookie70]

See it just doesn't bother me, there as as many so called happy clappers counteracting the bed wetters, some will never be happy until we win the league and all the cups and others are just as happy seeing us compete and get the odd cup run and Euro spot every few years.

I tend to be positive and negative if and when the games we play deserve it. Last night we competed well but certain players looked leggy after all the games we've just played, Ross could've been more proactive and made changes earlier but I think he was happy with the point and was forced into the changes after we lost the penalty. I think that's what annoys certain posters, Ross can be overly cautious at times instead of taking the game by the throat and going for it, it was a regular moan by many Sunderland fans.

When we discussed it at the game we could see positives in sticking and twisting. We were doing pretty well and looked to have as much a chance of snatching a winner as the The Thes. One thing I did say was that Ross could make the sub as it would be seen to be a positive move even if it changed the game and we ended up being over run. That might help with the false narrative that he is a negative manager. I'm glad he didn't as it shows he is managing the team and not listening to the crowd. Heck said regarding Allan that fans always expected him to play and that saw him shoehorned into positions. I get the feeling Heck was playing him to avoid the fans criticism. Ross plays what he thinks will get the best result and that is how it should be. An error by Porteous cost us the point, it was a stupid tackle and not needed as he had men back and it could have been defended much better. One mistake on a night where he and the other defenders played very well, that is football against the top teams.

[B.H.F.C]

I would describe myself as trying to see the positives, but I'll stick the boot in when I feel its merited. I just don't think we had the bodies on the bench that Ross felt would have made that big an influence on the game - hence the lack of changes. If anyone came on I thought it would have been Gogic tbh, to try and shore up the midfield. I don't disagree that we could have made a change, but I think Ross felt the options we had weren't right for the circumstances. If he had made changes and we'd lost by 2/3 breakaway goals would he have gotten plaudits for losing but having a go? I have my doubts on that tbh.

Rangers did to us last night what we did to them at hampden: defend deep and use the pace going forward, get back in numbers and make your tackles; don't be afraid to launch it in behind if you see the opportunity. It was much more utilitarian than Gerrard's Rangers and I think the will be doing what they can to win the league, style doesn't matter.

We matched them all over the park and actually I think we came the closest to scoring (Goldson brilliant clearance) and got caught out by a very soft/non-penalty.

Ross is a pragmatic manager and I'm sure if prior to the St Johnston game someone said you'll take 4 points in the next 2 games we all would have snapped their hand off for it. I do get that in the cold light of day it's different game by game but sometimes I look at these things in the round. I said after the ross county game that we needed 2 points from the games against St Johnstone and Rangers, then 6 points from our next 12 in the build up to the final. With the game against Saints being as good as it was and the performance last night I'm pretty happy with the trajectory we seem to have gotten ourselves on.

Onwards and upwards.

We need more than two wins from our next four if we have aspirations of pushing up the league and competing for third.

[jacomo]

When we discussed it at the game we could see positives in sticking and twisting. We were doing pretty well and looked to have as much a chance of snatching a winner as the The Thes. One thing I did say was that Ross could make the sub as it would be seen to be a positive move even if it changed the game and we ended up being over run. That might help with the false narrative that he is a negative manager. I'm glad he didn't as it shows he is managing the team and not listening to the crowd. Heck said regarding Allan that fans always expected him to play and that saw him shoehorned into positions. I get the feeling Heck was playing him to avoid the fans criticism. Ross plays what he thinks will get the best result and that is how it should be. An error by Porteous cost us the point, it was a stupid tackle and not needed as he had men back and it could have been defended much better. One mistake on a night where he and the other defenders played very well, that is football against the top teams.


Jack Ross is a cautious manager. I don’t think that’s a false narrative at all.

I’m not trying to put a value judgement on that - it can be both a positive and a negative thing. But the evidence is pretty strong.

As for Scott, yes fans love to see him play and are disappointed when he only gets 5 minutes. He’s not a certain starter for us anymore but, again, we all know what he can bring to a game.

[hibee-boys]

Just seen the replay of the penalty incident, thought it looked like one from the east stand and the replay has confirmed it. Clear contact, irrelevant how slight it was, we’d be screaming for that if it had been one of our players. Feel for Ryan because he was having a great game.

[HH81]

Just seen the replay of the penalty incident, thought it looked like one from the east stand and the replay has confirmed it. Clear contact, irrelevant how slight it was, we’d be screaming for that if it had been one of our players. Feel for Ryan because he was having a great game.

There was a slight touch but there was the camera angle right behind the ref so was perfect for his view, this showed no contact slowed down or normal speed so the ref guessed.

I reckon that's why he never booked him.

My issue was you could see he was giving them a game changing decision and then it came.

[Ozyhibby]

Ross's interview just annoys me, laughing about the penalty incident. Wish he would show some balls, he's too nice.

What’s he meant to say? It’s a penalty all day long? You want him to lay into Porteous in public?


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[Ozyhibby]

Can’t believe people are criticising Ross. 3rd in the league and a couple of cup finals in the last couple of years is a fantastic record.


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[Heisenberg]

Can’t believe people are criticising Ross. 3rd in the league and a couple of cup finals in the last couple of years is a fantastic record.


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It’s just the way football is. I’ve seen Callum Davidson get stick from St Johnstone fans this season because they have been poor. Can’t deny this league campaign hasn’t been very good, JR will admit that himself, and we need to start picking up results if we want to stay in touch with those above us and compete for Europe.

I don’t think he deserves much criticism for last night though, I can see why he didn’t make any changes.

[I_Love_Latapy]

I thought both teams were excellent tonight. The pressing from both teams was outstanding and that’s why it was turned over so much. That was a good performance form Hibs.
Porteous was outstanding right up till the second he cost us the game and after that it doesn’t matter how good he was. Needs to cut out these errors.


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Agree with this. Cadden had kept Kent penned back all game but this time Chris was up the pitch, Kent got free and Porto got drawn in.

[Northernhibee]

It’s just the way football is. I’ve seen Callum Davidson get stick from St Johnstone fans this season because they have been poor. Can’t deny this league campaign hasn’t been very good, JR will admit that himself, and we need to start picking up results if we want to stay in touch with those above us and compete for Europe.

I don’t think he deserves much criticism for last night though, I can see why he didn’t make any changes.
Quite frankly I consider Scott Allan a notable downgrade on the three midfielders who started. He has a blinder of a game every so often but not often enough to warrant an automatic starting place.

[jeffers]

Quite frankly I consider Scott Allan a notable downgrade on the three midfielders who started. He has a blinder of a game every so often but not often enough to warrant an automatic starting place.

Certainly not a downgrade in terms of creating chances, something we failed to make of any note last night. And given he’s often only brought on for 5-10 minutes at the end of games how is he expected to warrant an automatic starting place ?

And fwiw I probably would have started with last night’s team, but I certainly didn’t expect the Huns to allow us to do what we did to them at Hampden, so I was looking for a change to be made much earlier than we did. I agree with those who view Ross as a cautious manager.

[B.H.F.C]

Quite frankly I consider Scott Allan a notable downgrade on the three midfielders who started. He has a blinder of a game every so often but not often enough to warrant an automatic starting place.

You’re comparing totally different players. We don’t look like we will score goals with that midfield three because we have next to no creativity. He does stuff for they can’t do and they do stuff he doesn’t do. Balance of the three is wrong.

Folk are getting carried away with needing legs in the team and forgetting you need to score goals to win games at the moment IMO. There seems to be an idea that if someone like Allan was to play any part against a team like Rangers we’d be overrun and totally fold. We were totally controlling the game at Ibrox with him in the team until the red card and managing to do both sides of the game though.

[Jones28]

We need more than two wins from our next four if we have aspirations of pushing up the league and competing for third.

That was the circumstances in which I would have suggested he was in danger of being sacked, not of where we want to be as a club.

[Northernhibee]

You’re comparing totally different players. We don’t score goals with that midfield three because we have next to no creativity. He does stuff for they can’t do and they do stuff he doesn’t do. Balance of the three is wrong.

Folk are getting carried away with needing legs in the team and forgetting you need to score goals to win games at the moment IMO. There seems to be an idea that if someone like Allan was to play any part against a team like Rangers we’d be overrun and totally fold. We were totally controlling the game at Ibrox with him in the team until the red card and managing to do both sides of the game though.

We scored three against Rangers last time out with that midfield three.

People equate Scott Allan of 2021 with the Scott Allan of 2017 and they’re not the same player.

[jeffers]

You’re comparing totally different players. We don’t score goals with that midfield three because we have next to no creativity. He does stuff for they can’t do and they do stuff he doesn’t do. Balance of the three is wrong.

Folk are getting carried away with needing legs in the team and forgetting you need to score goals to win games at the moment IMO. There seems to be an idea that if someone like Allan was to play any part against a team like Rangers we’d be overrun and totally fold. We were totally controlling the game at Ibrox with him in the team until the red card and managing to do both sides of the game though.

I don’t want to restart the Scott Allan debate and I know we are on the same page regarding him. It’s fair to say though that the midfield doesn’t have anywhere near enough creativity or goal threat and if Magennis was fit Josh Campbell wouldn’t be starting.

[Since452]

Can’t believe people are criticising Ross. 3rd in the league and a couple of cup finals in the last couple of years is a fantastic record.


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I agree but that's football. Win and everyone is happy. Lets hope that's how we all feel on Saturday evening.

[B.H.F.C]

We scored three against Rangers last time out with that midfield three.

People equate Scott Allan of 2021 with the Scott Allan of 2017 and they’re not the same player.

That game fell perfect for us. That midfield three doesn’t get us scoring and up the league IMO.

It’s nothing to do with looking at the Allan of years ago. Folk are disregarding his positive contributions this year.

Apart from playing less, what is so different to the 17/18 version?

[B.H.F.C]

I don’t want to restart the Scott Allan debate and I know we are on the same page regarding him. It’s fair to say though that the midfield doesn’t have anywhere near enough creativity or goal threat and if Magennis was fit Josh Campbell wouldn’t be starting.

Agree. For me it’s not about having Scott Allan in the team. It’s about having someone who can do something in the final third. As I’ve said, I just think the balance is wrong and we’re getting too hung up on players doing the other side of the game.

[truehibernian]

I don’t want to restart the Scott Allan debate and I know we are on the same page regarding him. It’s fair to say though that the midfield doesn’t have anywhere near enough creativity or goal threat and if Magennis was fit Josh Campbell wouldn’t be starting.

Last night was hard working and no lack of effort. What let JR down, and he’s done this before - a sheer lack of ‘reading the room’ and capitalising psychologically when we’ve had players coming off a high. By that I mean after 70 minutes, putting Murphy and Allan on, after their match winning performances on Saturday, would have lifted the crowd, caused The Rangers to rethink formation, and given us a right good chance of winning, having two lads who must have been chomping at the bit to get on.

Jack is a good manager, but he’ll never win me over with his constant conservatism and counter attack approach - if he wants to succeed here and beyond Hibs he must start being more adventurous in his game decision making and also look at signing real creativity in the midfield area. That’s where we are desperately lacking.

[jacomo]

Quite frankly I consider Scott Allan a notable downgrade on the three midfielders who started. He has a blinder of a game every so often but not often enough to warrant an automatic starting place.


He doesn’t have an automatic starting place though.

What he does still possess is the ability to unlock an opponent’s defence and make an impact. He should have had 30 mins last night, not 5.

[jacomo]

Last night was hard working and no lack of effort. What let JR down, and he’s done this before - a sheer lack of ‘reading the room’ and capitalising psychologically when we’ve had players coming off a high. By that I mean after 70 minutes, putting Murphy and Allan on, after their match winning performances on Saturday, would have lifted the crowd, caused The Rangers to rethink formation, and given us a right good chance of winning, having two lads who must have been chomping at the bit to get on.

Jack is a good manager, but he’ll never win me over with his constant conservatism and counter attack approach - if he wants to succeed here and beyond Hibs he must start being more adventurous in his game decision making and also look at signing real creativity in the midfield area. That’s where we are desperately lacking.


Mueller and Tait both look like promising signings. The key is using them properly.

[Jones28]

Last night was hard working and no lack of effort. What let JR down, and he’s done this before - a sheer lack of ‘reading the room’ and capitalising psychologically when we’ve had players coming off a high. By that I mean after 70 minutes, putting Murphy and Allan on, after their match winning performances on Saturday, would have lifted the crowd, caused The Rangers to rethink formation, and given us a right good chance of winning, having two lads who must have been chomping at the bit to get on.

Jack is a good manager, but he’ll never win me over with his constant conservatism and counter attack approach - if he wants to succeed here and beyond Hibs he must start being more adventurous in his game decision making and also look at signing real creativity in the midfield area. That’s where we are desperately lacking.

We tried to get in McGrath and will be bringing in Tait in January, I think Ross knows we need a more creative midfield.

[Jones28]

That game fell perfect for us. That midfield three doesn’t get us scoring and up the league IMO.

It’s nothing to do with looking at the Allan of years ago. Folk are disregarding his positive contributions this year.

Apart from playing less, what is so different to the 17/18 version?


So the game fell perfectly and it was nothing to do with what Ross and Hibs actually did?

[blackpoolhibs]

How far does it go until hibs genuianly consider Ross is the common denominator?

6 defeats in 7

Like, genuianly?
I think that's genuinely bad.

[jacomo]

So the game fell perfectly and it was nothing to do with what Ross and Hibs actually did?


Are you trying to start a row too?

We were well set up and in a decent shape. We grew into the game in the second half but failed to seize the initiative when we were on top.

Trying to goad people by demanding complete loyalty to JR or nothing is ridiculous. He’s a decent manager, but his unwillingness at times to let us off the leash is infuriating.

[90274]

So the game fell perfectly and it was nothing to do with what Ross and Hibs actually did?

We were in a position to win the game with 15 minutes to go.

We ultimately didn't sieze the opportunity in front of us and took nothing from the game.

[MWHIBBIES]

How far does it go until hibs genuianly consider Ross is the common denominator?

6 defeats in 7

Like, genuianly?

Everyone is the common denominator. No one has joined or left in that time.

[500miles]

That game fell perfect for us. That midfield three doesn’t get us scoring and up the league IMO.

It’s nothing to do with looking at the Allan of years ago. Folk are disregarding his positive contributions this year.

Apart from playing less, what is so different to the 17/18 version?

A serious heart condition.

[Northernhibee]

He doesn’t have an automatic starting place though.

What he does still possess is the ability to unlock an opponent’s defence and make an impact. He should have had 30 mins last night, not 5.
The problem is that he’s inconsistent at that too.

In the cup game vs Dundee United he got himself about a lot and got his goal and was brilliant. Against St Johnstone he was influential.

In the 0-3 league loss against Dundee United he was honking and hooked at half time. I don’t know if it’s attitude or fitness but when we have a consistent midfield three out of options of Newell, Campbell, JDH and Maggenis I don’t see where his place in the team is.

I’ve loved his time at the club, we have some great memories of his time here but I’m not going to be gutted if he moves on when his contract expires.

[Tambo]

We need more than two wins from our next four if we have aspirations of pushing up the league and competing for third.

10 points is a minimum for the next four League games and I know every game is a must win but Saturday is a big one.

[jacomo]

The problem is that he’s inconsistent at that too.

In the cup game vs Dundee United he got himself about a lot and got his goal and was brilliant. Against St Johnstone he was influential.

In the 0-3 league loss against Dundee United he was honking and hooked at half time. I don’t know if it’s attitude or fitness but when we have a consistent midfield three out of options of Newell, Campbell, JDH and Maggenis I don’t see where his place in the team is.

I’ve loved his time at the club, we have some great memories of his time here but I’m not going to be gutted if he moves on when his contract expires.


Well, his place last night was on the bench, ready to come on and affect the game if called upon.

In this 3-5-2 formation his natural position is right there, behind the strikers.

Of course none of us have seen him in training this week and know what condition he’s in. But Jack did call on him eventually - the frustration for me is that he didn’t do it sooner.

[B.H.F.C]

So the game fell perfectly and it was nothing to do with what Ross and Hibs actually did?

I clearly never said that.

My point is that to win with that set up you need the first goal IMO. It went perfectly. Beyond perfectly.

Obviously we executed it well and I think he was right to go with the same team as the semi final last night. I don’t, however, think that is the way to play every week which we’re currently trying to do.

[B.H.F.C]

A serious heart condition.

Aye we all know about it, but according to him he’s fit and healthy and good to go. I don’t see him doing anything differently to before he had that. He used to create and score goals (which he does now) and wasn’t the best when we didn’t have it (which he isn’t now). I don’t think that’s why he’s not being used more.

[Callum_62]

Aye we all know about it, but according to him he’s fit and healthy and good to go. I don’t see him doing anything differently to before he had that. He used to create and score goals (which he does now) and wasn’t the best when we didn’t have it (which he isn’t now). I don’t think that’s why he’s not being used more.You genuinly don't see a physical difference in Scott Allan from then to now?

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[Tyler Durden]

10 points is a minimum for the next four League games and I know every game is a must win but Saturday is a big one.

I think it's pretty unfair to suggest 10 points is a minimum from those games.

We could take 8 points and be sitting within 3/4 points of Hearts heading into the Xmas week. I would say anything within 6 points of 3rd place ahead of the winter break would be a good result after the Covid break and various other issues we've had.

Edit - I do agree though that Saturday feels like a "must win".

[B.H.F.C]

You genuinly don't see a physical difference in Scott Allan from then to now?

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He looks slightly heavier. I don’t see him doing anything different in his time on the pitch though. If anything, his contribution is more consistent in relation to number of minutes on the pitch.

[BS44]

Aye we all know about it, but according to him he’s fit and healthy and good to go. I don’t see him doing anything differently to before he had that. He used to create and score goals (which he does now) and wasn’t the best when we didn’t have it (which he isn’t now). I don’t think that’s why he’s not being used more.

Allan is obviously a yard off the pace compared to earlier in his career, and can no longer handle a high intensity 90 minutes.

[B.H.F.C]

Allan is obviously a yard off the pace compared to earlier in his career, and can no longer handle a high intensity 90 minutes.

I don’t see it. I really don’t.

He’s handled the few games he’s started absolutely fine but that seems to be getting totally overlooked. And also, if you look back to when he played previously, he was subbed with a fair degree of regularity.

He could be sharper but he’ll only get that with games. He wouldn’t have made the contribution he has when he’s played this season if he was really a yard off it.

[BoomtownHibees]

Allan is obviously a yard off the pace compared to earlier in his career, and can no longer handle a high intensity 90 minutes.

Could he handle that high intensity 90 minutes even in his early Hibs career?

[Smartie]

The problem is that he’s inconsistent at that too.

In the cup game vs Dundee United he got himself about a lot and got his goal and was brilliant. Against St Johnstone he was influential.

In the 0-3 league loss against Dundee United he was honking and hooked at half time. I don’t know if it’s attitude or fitness but when we have a consistent midfield three out of options of Newell, Campbell, JDH and Maggenis I don’t see where his place in the team is.

I’ve loved his time at the club, we have some great memories of his time here but I’m not going to be gutted if he moves on when his contract expires.

I'd go along with the inconsistent angle here.

Sometimes he's looked perfectly normal, just like the Scott Allan of old - never loved getting stuck into the defensive side of the game but had a great drop of the shoulder, a wee burst of pace and a terrific weight of pass.

On occasion he's looked chunky, sluggish and frankly miles off the pace.

It did take him a few months to get up to speed when he first joined but once he was up to speed he was almost unstoppable at times.

I can't make my mind up about his long-term value but from week to week I don't know if he's going to be chunky and sluggish or having the sort of end product that other midfielders can only dream of having.

As a romantic and a fan, I'd be inclined to find space in the team for him every week. My livelihood doesn't depend on the team I pick winning football matches though.

[truehibernian]

Could he handle that high intensity 90 minutes even in his early Hibs career?

He should have been given 20 minutes yesterday off the high of being part of two assists and a win on Saturday, as should Murphy have. Not even in hindsight, simply because both would have made The Rangers think, and the crowd would have got a burst in energy for that period I reckon.

Motherwell game is a right tough fixture and having watched their game v United on Tuesday they’re going to be up for it. Hopefully that waterlogged pitch caused a few more aches and strains than we would have picked up last night.

[B.H.F.C]

He should have been given 20 minutes yesterday off the high of being part of two assists and a win on Saturday, as should Murphy have. Not even in hindsight, simply because both would have made The Rangers think, and the crowd would have got a burst in energy for that period I reckon.

Motherwell game is a right tough fixture and having watched their game v United on Tuesday they’re going to be up for it. Hopefully that waterlogged pitch caused a few more aches and strains than we would have picked up last night.

Higher calibre of opposition but I thought it was very similar to the Ross County game. Comfortable in the second half but not really doing anything and the game drifting a bit. Both games crying out for something a bit different if you want to go on to try and win it but that something different only comes as a reaction when it’s too late.

Both teams brought on subs who, albeit with a bit of fortune, scored a goal to turn one point in to three. I think we need to be a bit braver or we’ll continue to struggle in front of goal.

[Since90+2]

I don’t see it. I really don’t.

He’s handled the few games he’s started absolutely fine but that seems to be getting totally overlooked. And also, if you look back to when he played previously, he was subbed with a fair degree of regularity.

He could be sharper but he’ll only get that with games. He wouldn’t have made the contribution he has when he’s played this season if he was really a yard off it.

I do think he's physical capabilities have dropped off IMO. He was never a John McGinn type player but he used to have a turn of pace and could ride physical challenges.

I think he's probably regressed in that area.

Even with that drop off he's still our most creative player after Boyle. I'm not sure if that says more about him or the squad though.

[B.H.F.C]

I do think he's physical capabilities have dropped off IMO. He was never a John McGinn type player but he used to have a turn of pace and could ride physical challenges.

I think he's probably regressed in that area.

Even with that drop off he's still our most creative player after Boyle. I'm not sure if that says more about him or the squad though.

He’s going to have lost a bit of something from hardly playing in a year. He can still go past folk as we’ve seen as recently as Saturday, not just the goal but he’s had a burst to the byline and cut back for Murphy a minute before that as well.. Games to get more sharpness and I don’t think it’d be an issue based on what I’ve seen when he’s got on the park.

[BS44]

Could he handle that high intensity 90 minutes even in his early Hibs career?

He could at least handle 90 minutes previously but is nowhere near that these days.

[BoomtownHibees]

He could at least handle 90 minutes previously but is nowhere near that these days.

How do we know that? Get him games and get his match fitness to its peak and see where that takes him/us.

I’d rather we got a good hour out of someone likely to create/score goals than continue with the current midfield 3 who don’t give us either

[jacomo]

He could at least handle 90 minutes previously but is nowhere near that these days.


He was regularly one of the first to be subbed even in his first spell with us.

I’m not sure we’ve ever seen him as a 90 minute player.

[truehibernian]

Higher calibre of opposition but I thought it was very similar to the Ross County game. Comfortable in the second half but not really doing anything and the game drifting a bit. Both games crying out for something a bit different if you want to go on to try and win it but that something different only comes as a reaction when it’s too late.

Both teams brought on subs who, albeit with a bit of fortune, scored a goal to turn one point in to three. I think we need to be a bit braver or we’ll continue to struggle in front of goal.

Totally agree BHFC and you’ve encapsulated what I was trying to say really.

I want Jack to be braver and make more of a statement of intent when games are level. No manager, player or fan is comfortable at 0-0 either, certainly not this Hibs fan. I’m not faulting the effort and industry yesterday, just Jack’s apparent reluctance to make offensively minded changes when games are in the balance. It’s that kind of thing that can hurt opponents psychologically too and cause them to adapt. He’s a good manager, and he’s learning all the time about these players too, but frustration will mount unless he becomes more clinical and flexible. Not gung-ho, but shifting away from conservatism at crucial points in games. It’s just my outlook on football, rather go for the win attaching and if we lose doing so, we’ll, we went for it. I think The Rangers got out of jail yesterday.

[B.H.F.C]

He could at least handle 90 minutes previously but is nowhere near that these days.

Longest he’s spent on the park this season was 85 minutes v St Johnstone. We managed to avoid being overrun, despite his lack of legs, and he was our best player on the day.

[Jones28]

I clearly never said that.

My point is that to win with that set up you need the first goal IMO. It went perfectly. Beyond perfectly.

Obviously we executed it well and I think he was right to go with the same team as the semi final last night. I don’t, however, think that is the way to play every week which we’re currently trying to do.

Its not our aim to play like that every week, thats obvious. Against lesser teams we at least have an even share of the ball or more. Against Rangers and hopefully Celtic in a few weeks we play a higher press, sit a bit deeper and try to turn the ball around quickly so Boyle can use his pace.

[Since90+2]

Longest he’s spent on the park this season was 85 minutes v St Johnstone. We managed to avoid being overrun, despite his lack of legs, and he was our best player on the day.

As a one off game though. I have my doubts whether or not he could play a near 90 minutes in a consecutive run of games in a tight schedule.

[B.H.F.C]

Its not our aim to play like that every week, thats obvious. Against lesser teams we at least have an even share of the ball or more. Against Rangers and hopefully Celtic in a few weeks we play a higher press, sit a bit deeper and try to turn the ball around quickly so Boyle can use his pace.

We set up with the same team against Ross County and St Johnstone (except Gullan in for Boyle) as we did against Rangers. Same players, same shape. Naturally you have a bit more of the ball but no great difference in the way we played for me and lacking in quality in the final third.

[B.H.F.C]

As a one off game though. I have my doubts whether or not he could play a near 90 minutes in a consecutive run of games in a tight schedule.

It was one game but it was less than 72 hours since he’d played over an hour at Tannadice, scoring and assisting, which was four days after he’d come on and changed the game at home to St Mirren and got man of the match despite only playing 45 minutes.

If he has a run of games and doesn’t do anything, fair enough. I don’t think he’s had that opportunity though.

[Nicho87]

Sad that our most technically gifted player can’t get a look in

Chucked on with 4 minutes to play was a disgrace

[Northernhibee]

We talk about opportunities but you have to take them. Scott Allan worked his way back into the team and then put in an absolutely honking display against Dundee United.

Against Celtic, Josh Campbell got a chance and took it with both hands. He - along with the other two midfielders - have been excellent since and don't deserve to lose their starting place.

Scott showed he still deserves an opportunity when one of the starting three slip up against St Johnstone but he'll have to wait.

The consistency of JDH, Newell and Campbell has been very impressive.

[Since90+2]

It was one game but it was less than 72 hours since he’d played over an hour at Tannadice, scoring and assisting, which was four days after he’d come on and changed the game at home to St Mirren and got man of the match despite only playing 45 minutes.



Sounds as though he's potentially at his best when not being asked to play 90 minutes. He undoubtedly would have benefited from playing 30 minutes less in 1 game and 45 minutes less in the other.

The club monitor fitness levels and track each player methodically. I'd be surprised if they didn't know what his limitations physically are.

[B.H.F.C]

We talk about opportunities but you have to take them. Scott Allan worked his way back into the team and then put in an absolutely honking display against Dundee United.

Against Celtic, Josh Campbell got a chance and took it with both hands. He - along with the other two midfielders - have been excellent since and don't deserve to lose their starting place.

Scott showed he still deserves an opportunity when one of the starting three slip up against St Johnstone but he'll have to wait.

The consistency of JDH, Newell and Campbell has been very impressive.

The whole team were honking against Dundee Utd. Then most of them were honking at Aberdeen the next week and at home to Celtic a few days later. Allan seems to be held to a different standard.

[Northernhibee]

The whole team were honking against Dundee Utd. Then most of them were honking at Aberdeen the next week and at home to Celtic a few days later. Allan seems to be held to a different standard.

You're very right about that last sentence.

[B.H.F.C]

Sounds as though he's potentially at his best when not being asked to play 90 minutes. He undoubtedly would have benefited from playing 30 minutes less in 1 game and 45 minutes less in the other.

The club monitor fitness levels and track each player methodically. I'd be surprised if they didn't know what his limitations physically are.

I’d look at it the other way and say he was just building things up nicely. 45, 65, then pretty much a full game.

What he’s playing at the moment isn’t his limitations, no chance. He’s not getting more minutes for footballing reasons IMO.

[Ronniekirk]

Mueller and Tait both look like promising signings. The key is using them properly.

But untested at this level It will take them time to adjust so a bit of patience may be needed
If we fall to far behind the third placed team by start of transfer window there may be a temptation to go for short term signings with experience to try and claw back the deficit
I would rather we keep our eye on the medium to longer term and stick to recruiting promising young talent for the future with the odd player with A few years experience that we think k we can make a better player and who would improve the team eg McGrath from st Mirren
Clearly if we have to sell someone this window then we need a like for like replacement if possible


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[B.H.F.C]

You're very right about that last sentence.

Aye, can’t understand why the midfielder who has probably most consistently done his job this season seems to be so overlooked. Still, all the runners and grafters will soon fill those empty seats up at ER I’m sure.

[Since90+2]

I’d look at it the other way and say he was just building things up nicely. 45, 65, then pretty much a full game.

What he’s playing at the moment isn’t his limitations, no chance. He’s not getting more minutes for footballing reasons IMO.

I'd have to disagree. If Scott Allan had the fitness levels of Josh Campbell or Kyle Mageniss (or indeed Newell) then he'd be starting.

[Northernhibee]

Aye, can’t understand why the midfielder who has probably most consistently done his job this season seems to be so overlooked. Still, all the runners and grafters will soon fill those empty seats up at ER I’m sure.

Scott Allan isn't a consistent player. If he was, at his peak he'd have been on a massive sum in the Premiership down south.

[B.H.F.C]

Scott Allan isn't a consistent player. If he was, at his peak he'd have been on a massive sum in the Premiership down south.

He is averaging a goal/assist for every 75 minutes played this season. How much more consistent can he be? It’s now a case that if he doesn’t come on and change a game he’s labelled as brutal, inconsistent or whatever.

If he’s inconsistent, what are all these guys that have been playing week in, week out when we’ve been losing?

[JimBHibees]

Sad that our most technically gifted player can’t get a look in

Chucked on with 4 minutes to play was a disgrace

It wasn't really Scott is gifted but is nowhere near our most effective player and hasn't been for a while.

[Ronniekirk]

10 points is a minimum for the next four League games and I know every game is a must win but Saturday is a big one.

It has to be our aspiration ,but other teams see we are losing a lot of games and if they can play a system that nullifies Boyle they know we can be vulnerable at the back as the game progresses
And with three games a week and not a lot of options off the bench it’s a big ask
Murphy needs more game time to get match fit as Will Doidge But we need to manage that so neither breaks down agin this month
McGennis is s big miss and Gogic seems to be so far out the picture that if Halberg is fit he would be better getting game time . However he was about to leave before injured so can see him being moved on inJanuary Window



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[B.H.F.C]

I'd have to disagree. If Scott Allan had the fitness levels of Josh Campbell or Kyle Mageniss (or indeed Newell) then he'd be starting.

I don’t think it’s as black and white. Players have different attributes and you need to find a balance. As I said elsewhere, as much as I’m sticking up a fair bit for Allan, it’s not all about getting Scott Allan in the team for me. I just think we need someone that compliments the others and gives us that creativity that they lack, whoever that might be and at the moment Allan is the only one it really could be. Playing with that three in that system we’ll still get the odd result but won’t get them consistently IMO.

He’s not going to get to a good level of fitness without playing.

[MWHIBBIES]

Mueller and Tait both look like promising signings. The key is using them properly.

Surely thats the key to any player ever?

[tmb1875]

Honestly don’t get some folk on here, Scott Allan has more goals and assists than jdh, newell and Campbell combined. They’ve all had more minutes than him. You want to watch folk do plenty running go to an athletics track you want to watch your team score goals get Allan in the starting 11. The guy himself has said he wants to start and never been fitter. Lazy narrative that he can’t tackle etc.. he would be no worse than joe newell off the ball that’s for sure.


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[MWHIBBIES]

Honestly don’t get some folk on here, Scott Allan has more goals and assists than jdh, newell and Campbell combined. They’ve all had more minutes than him. You want to watch folk do plenty running go to an athletics track you want to watch your team score goals get Allan in the starting 11. The guy himself has said he wants to start and never been fitter. Lazy narrative that he can’t tackle etc.. he would be no worse than joe newell off the ball that’s for sure.


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He would. Newall is very good off the ball.

He also gets more goals and assists than Mcginn ever did. Not a good argument

[EI255]

Scunnred to say the least

F T O F and the S F AFTR to be precise.

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[tmb1875]

He would. Newall is very good off the ball.

He also gets more goals and assists than Mcginn ever did. Not a good argument

Wrong, mcginn chipped in with goals and assists at hibs and even more so now at villa/Scotland. Look at his stats .
They’re midfielders there job is to provide the strikers with opportunities to score and help protect the defence from runs into our box aswell as setting up attacks. Newell not good off the ball, however what he does do well sometimes is recover from the hole he put himself in. Ie not tracking a runner but when someone else slows down that runner newell nips in will get the ball sometimes, there chance in the box in the 2nd half where there player shot into the side netting perfectly sums newell up off the ball for me.
Again only in my opinion.


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Honestly don’t get some folk on here, Scott Allan has more goals and assists than jdh, newell and Campbell combined. They’ve all had more minutes than him. You want to watch folk do plenty running go to an athletics track you want to watch your team score goals get Allan in the starting 11. The guy himself has said he wants to start and never been fitter. Lazy narrative that he can’t tackle etc.. he would be no worse than joe newell off the ball that’s for sure.


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He is way worse than Newell off the ball.

Newell, as well as being very fit and athletic is very defensively sharp and keeps shape very well. That's not Allan's game at all.

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He’s not been played as centre mid for jr so how would you know. He’s said himself numerous times he’s better a wee bit deeper and more central to make things happen. Anyway it won’t matter what I think just my thoughts.


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He’s not been played as centre mid for jr so how would you know. He’s said himself numerous times he’s better a wee bit deeper and more central to make things happen. Anyway it won’t matter what I think just my thoughts.


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Because I've watched him over many years at Hibs? How else are we forming opinions on players? What a strange thing to say.

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He is way worse than Newell off the ball.

Newell, as well as being very fit and athletic is very defensively sharp and keeps shape very well. That's not Allan's game at all.

Yep. Newell has had a great season on the pitch for us thus far. It’s the number 10 role that is up for grabs.