Ross County v Hibs

[B.H.F.C]

:agree:

Failure to take our chances killed us tonight - was nothing to do with fight, desire, tactics or the manager as people are claiming.

Could easily have scored at least 3 or 4 before their flukey goal.

Nisbet's three clear cut chances, Boyle's volley, penalty shout on Hanlon, and his shot that hit the post. We created enough to win the game and on another night we would have had the game tied up at half time.

Football is a game of fine margins and we came off on the wrong side tonight, we played much better overall than we did against Aberdeen or Dundee utd imo.

Can’t get points because of what you could have done.

First half was reasonable. Second half was dreadful. Created nothing more than a couple of half chances, didn’t test the keeper, didn’t react to going a goal behind and lost the plot after the red card.

We need to find some points from somewhere or we’ll find ourselves in a bit of bother.

[silverhibee]

Nonsense. I don't think Doidge even seen the County player. It was momentum that brought them together, it certainly wasn't in any way malicious.

He left his foot in and raked it down the County’s player, defo a red.

[A Hi-Bee]

So kicking someone from behind who is running at full tilt and who has no idea the contact is coming is lesser than pushing off someone. I think Doidge deserved a red but so did their no 2 in the first half. To allow that tackle to be a yellow means players will always make it. Football really needs to think about rules which promote attacking play. Rugby does everything to make the game more attractive and football seems to enjoy a game where cheats prosper

you forget who runs the game in Scotland, it aint gonna change anytime soon.

[Unseen work]

The only criticism i would have tonight is taking Nisbet off.

For me he was having a good game and was lot more like his old self. His link up play was good and although he missed chances I felt one was coming.

Now Ross can turn and say he’s scored 2 all season and missed heaps tonight so deserved to be subbed. But tonight and against Rangers was more like the form I was used to seeing from him.

For me the sub was Doidge for Cadden (who was having a good game) and Boyle out wide.

[Ronniekirk]

Genuinely still think we'll be fighting for third come the end of the season. The league is so open this year anyone can beat anyone and it means we still have a chance at third.

The frustrating thing is we really should have went all in last transfer window and been out of sight in third. Poor recruitments that's cost us so far.

I can’t share your optimism
With three games a week ,a small squad with injured players snd now two players suspended for next two games we are likely to be on seven league defeats in a row and still in bottom six
A few more injuries would deplete us further
It’s looking like a very difficult December to me


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[Ray_]

I thought he was unlucky as he didn't see the guy coming, even Tam on Hibs TV thought he was unlucky, don't think it was intentional.

Tam on TV changed his mind when he saw him kick out.

[Smartie]

Genuinely still think we'll be fighting for third come the end of the season. The league is so open this year anyone can beat anyone and it means we still have a chance at third.

The frustrating thing is we really should have went all in last transfer window and been out of sight in third. Poor recruitments that's cost us so far.

I think we’re as likely to be relegated as we are to put a decent challenge in for 3rd. I genuinely don’t know which, or whether it will be something in between.

This squad is paper thin and desperately short of depth. There’s a core of a decent team and the odd bit of quality but it’s miles off being a squad that you can rely on to pick up consistent results.

We have an awful lot of football to play over the next month with a squad that’s just not fit for purpose.

We might turn it around from January on and I wouldn’t be surprised if we put on a decent counter attacking performance and won the cup.

Biggest problem is going forward. Going into the weekend without Boyle and Doidge and having to play Nisbet is a frightening prospect.

As much fun as the weekend was, we’re still a shambles imo…

[CMac1988]

an astonishing state of affairs given how the entire club was feeling on Sunday night

Reality is Sunday just made us forget recent results and how we've been playing.

We've become a one man team. Win your battles against Boyle and keep him quiet and you've all but won the game. Our defence and keeper are prone to making amateurish mistakes and our £5million striker has been posted missing most of the season. Midfield don't work hard enough off the ball.

Yet on Sunday. The defence found a way to defend and block almost everything thrown at them. Nisbet despite not scoring chased and harried lost causes. The midfield were closing everyone down and putting their bodies on the line. Why can't we do that more often?

Away to County in Dingwall and we're back to normal service. Slow to start but start to get a good footing in the game. Despite not playing well we're edging the game. Switch off for a minute and boom! The whole thing crumbles. Ross has been on a hiding to nothing for a while but finally managed to garner a little favour after Sunday. Unfortunately for him it's all undone and he's back in the hot seat. Something needs to change and fast.

[JohnM1875]

Out of curiosity, what justifies a straight red for dissent? More often than not it is a yellow. If you're Liam Craig and Steven Naismith it isn't even a polite warning.

Is it really a case of what you've said?

I totally get what you're saying and you see it happening all the time without any repercussion. But it's just so stupid from Boyle. He must know better than anyone he's out best player and we rely on him so much. Just needs to let it go and get down the tunnel.

[Mainstandman]

Out of curiosity, what justifies a straight red for dissent? More often than not it is a yellow. If you're Liam Craig and Steven Naismith it isn't even a polite warning.

Is it really a case of what you've said?

I think if you say the refs a cheat or such like you’re off. If you say he’s **** or just sweary complain that’s a yellow. I could be wrong though

[silverhibee]

Or maybe we just failed to take our chances and lost to a freak goal? the over reactions on here are unreal.

And if County had taken there chances they would have still beat us, they missed a few absolute sitters in the 2 nd half.

[wookie70]

Well in the rules of the game, yes. I don’t necessarily disagree that fouls like the one in first half (assuming we’re talking about same one) SHOULD be looked at as reds, but they aren’t.

Violent conduct like Doidge’s kick-out always will be a red.

*edit - the one on the sideline over the top of the ball could have been a red for dangerous play though.

I'm aware of the rules. Hacking a player's Achilles when he is running at full tilt clearly endangers a player. I agree that most refs take the easy way out but that foul should be a straight red. Any tackle of that nature when it is impossible to get the ball should be a red. I'd argue both of the two definitions could fit that foul on Boyle and we see it pretty much every game. It was a lunge and it could easily have caused an injury

"A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.

[JohnM1875]

I can’t share your optimism
With three games a week ,a small squad with injured players snd now two players suspended for next two games we are likely to be on seven league defeats in a row and still in bottom six
A few more injuries would deplete us further
It’s looking like a very difficult December to me


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I just honestly don't think we were that bad at all tonight. Take a few good chances first half and it's a completely different game. The luckiest goal that you'll ever see from them as well.

I do worry about the suspensions and fixture pileup though. I just can't see anyone else putting in a proper run of results that they'll be too far gone come January to catch.

[Inconsequential]

Got to feel for the fans going up there, cold November evening.

Poor 2nd half and typical hibs. Not good enough. The Hibs fans that travelled can actually take consolation that Dingwall is actually two degrees warmer tonight than Edinburgh. The team not so hot though.

[madhatter]

I totally get what you're saying and you see it happening all the time without any repercussion. But it's just so stupid from Boyle. He must know better than anyone he's out best player and we rely on him so much. Just needs to let it go and get down the tunnel.

Definitely, Boyle should've just left the pitch.

I still don't know how this rule gets applied though. If we are talking about a referee's feelings being hurt so it becomes a red card then the game has gone bonkers. Dissent needs to have a fixed level unless it is discriminatory abuse of some kind. If Boyle just said he was hopeless at his job (in a stronger manner) and got a red for it then game is finished.

Yellow for dissent. If they don't stop then second yellow. Straight red for dissent is mental.

Is there not supposed to be a stepped approach to dealing with dissent as well?

[silverhibee]

I thought he was unlucky as he didn't see the guy coming, even Tam on Hibs TV thought he was unlucky, don't think it was intentional.

Hate to say it big chap but it looked like he new what he was doing, Tam and the other dude commentating were a couple of slavers tonight.

Was defo a red.

[J-C]

Hate to say it big chap but it looked like he new what he was doing, Tam and the other dude commentating were a couple of slavers tonight.

Was defo a red.

I think I missed the 2nd part of his movement, seen the replay but it showed not much, if he's made another movement with his boot, then fair enough he deserves the red, TBH I was getting distracted by other things at that point in the game, couldn't get back on .net due to the numbers.

[Shanksaidno]

I just honestly don't think we were that bad at all tonight. Take a few good chances first half and it's a completely different game. The luckiest goal that you'll ever see from them as well.

I do worry about the suspensions and fixture pileup though. I just can't see anyone else putting in a proper run of results that they'll be too far gone come January to catch.




We were actually good in first half .. if Hanlons goes in ir Nisbet n

[Glory Lurker]

Calm down with all the relegation chat, btw. We might not have a good season, we might have a brutal run down to the break, but even if we do we’ll do enough in the window to avoid the worst.

[J-C]

And if County had taken there chances they would have still beat us, they missed a few absolute sitters in the 2 nd half.


Macey made a couple of really good saves and they missed a couple of sitters, could easily have been a 4-0 drubbing.

[Northernhibee]

I will say that I do consider that a total freak goal to concede.

[Shanksaidno]

I just honestly don't think we were that bad at all tonight. Take a few good chances first half and it's a completely different game. The luckiest goal that you'll ever see from them as well.

I do worry about the suspensions and fixture pileup though. I just can't see anyone else putting in a proper run of results that they'll be too far gone come January to catch.




We were actually good in first half .. if Hanlons goes in or Nisbet made better efforts we are ahead and in control. Ross Co werent in the game at that stage. We lose a crap goal and the game changes and the legs start to go. The suspensions are actually as bad as or wrse than the result itself

[Halmyre Hibee]

Knew this would be a tough game after the highs of Sunday. Unfortunately we don’t have the quality or depth of squad to deal with the amount of games in quick succession. Our recruitment team have paid the price for that and hopefully we can add a few more in January in addition to Tait & Mueller. In the meantime get ready for a rollercoaster of performances in the next month. Hopefully we can get a few points soon or pressure is on.

[HH81]

Can’t keep blaming refs, he was poor tonight for both teams, we were poor, Nisbet is just pretty average just now and nothing happening for him, he had the cheek to complain when he got subbed, Doidge was stupid to kick out like that and has no complaints about his red, Boyle should be fined 2 weeks wages for his stupidity after the whistle went, to be honest we could have lost more goals in the 2nd half, Ross is now under massive pressure, the league is our bread and butter and we need to stay in it, our form just now in the league is very worrying.

Spot on Silver. Nisbet is no where near as good as is made out on here.

Ref poor for both sides. Very poor evening and need to won Saturday.

[The Harp Awakes]

Or maybe we just failed to take our chances and lost to a freak goal? the over reactions on here are unreal.

Overreacting? Really? I've already made the point that we were brilliant on Sunday. The Manager and players deserved all the plaudits they got for the win.

We've also now have had 5 meek league defeats in a row. How many league defeats will it take for it not to be an overreaction? 7, 9, 11?

The point I'm making is the massive difference in the level of performance game to game is inexplicable. Needs addressed by the Manager.

[madhatter]

Calm down with all the relegation chat, btw. We might not have a good season, we might have a brutal run down to the break, but even if we do we’ll do enough in the window to avoid the worst.

Easy to say. January is an awkward window to do substantial moves and this cannot be doing morale much good. We could be bottom 3 by the end of December with a large portion of the season behind us.

Boyle and Doidge getting reds hasn't helped at all.

[WeeRussell]

Spot on Silver. Nisbet is no where near as good as is made out on here.

Ref poor for both sides. Very poor evening and need to won Saturday.

He must be pretty bad then as I only ever read that he’s sh**e and ‘not as good as he thinks he is’.

[wookie70]

We were actually good in first half .. if Hanlons goes in ir Nisbet n

I thought that too. Considering the huge effort on Sunday it isn't surprising we ran out of gas after a decent first half.

The subs made us so much worse. Allan lost the ball every time he got it and never ran the length of himself. Doidge looks weeks away from being ready and was an idiot for the red and Gullan was a desperate sub and I don't think he touched the ball. Cadden had been our best chance of creating something and we moved him to the left where he fell out the game completely. Nisbet was getting into great positions and playing well albeit his finishing was poor. Ross hasn't many options off the bench and not using subs with the run of games we are going to have will be impossible. The lack of discipline from Doidge and Boyle was really unprofessional and will hurt us beyond tonight

[HH81]

The Hibs fans that travelled can actually take consolation that Dingwall is actually two degrees warmer tonight than Edinburgh. The team not so hot though.

There was one Hibs fan in shorts at the game Sunday, do you think tonight would have seen any short wearers?

[Selkirkhibs]

The only criticism i would have tonight is taking Nisbet off.

For me he was having a good game and was lot more like his old self. His link up play was good and although he missed chances I felt one was coming.

Now Ross can turn and say he’s scored 2 all season and missed heaps tonight so deserved to be subbed. But tonight and against Rangers was more like the form I was used to seeing from him.

For me the sub was Doidge for Cadden (who was having a good game) and Boyle out wide.

Agreed.

After Nisbet was taken off we struggled to create anything whereas before then we were the team on the front foot. Thought Doig had a decent shift up and down the left side.

A bad night at the office but we'll bounce back, no doubt about it.

[SteveHFC]

There was one Hibs fan in shorts at the game Sunday, do you think tonight would have seen any short wearers?

There was one fan sitting a few rows down from me wearing shorts.

[HH81]

There was one fan sitting a few rows down from me wearing shorts.

You should have had yours on too 😁.

Safe trip back pal.

[Glory Lurker]

Easy to say. January is an awkward window to do substantial moves and this cannot be doing morale much good. We could be bottom 3 by the end of December with a large portion of the season behind us.

Boyle and Doidge getting reds hasn't helped at all.

That’s all correct, but I don’t believe we are the worst or second worst team in the league. It’s been a stinking run and, yes, it wouldn’t be a surprise if it continues for at least two games or so but we’re sensing danger in late November, not like 2013/14 when the cracks were getting papered over in to January. The club will be reacting already.

[007]

Hate to say it big chap but it looked like he new what he was doing, Tam and the other dude commentating were a couple of slavers tonight.

Was defo a red.

The other dude called it right by saying the red was for the 2nd movement of Doidge's leg, the sort of kick/push. On looking at it again after the match, Tam agreed.

[madhatter]

That’s all correct, but I don’t believe we are the worst or second worst team in the league. It’s been a stinking run and, yes, it wouldn’t be a surprise if it continues for at least two games or so but we’re sensing danger in late November, not like 2013/14 when the cracks were getting papered over in to January. The club will be reacting already.

Hope they are reacting and seriously scrutinising this.

All this talk about being a development club and giving out a rousing call for fans to come out and support the team while the team is woeful is a bit ridiculous.

Some of the chat coming from the club honestly reminds me of the "infrastructure" days. Get big money for our golden generation. Invest in infrastructure and struggle to bring through exceptional youth since.

Hibs need stability but it needs to be in a positive trajectory. May be proven wrong but Kean's appointment and the large influence Jack Ross seems to have with Ron Gordon has me worried. Hopefully I'm wrong but Mathie really has been thrown under the bus with this and I doubt he was behind all the failings of the transfer window - I wouldn't put it past the club trying to be cheap and save money (seen it many times before).

[CMurdoch]

There was one fan sitting a few rows down from me wearing shorts.

Must be a postman. They are hard as ****.
Shorts in all weather.

[Glory Lurker]

There was one fan sitting a few rows down from me wearing shorts.

You sure it was a fan, and not just one of the team who didn’t fancy it?

[Mickey Weir]

Back to earth with a bump. Sunday now feels a long time ago and was clearly a one off.

We had a tough run of games coming up but it has just got harder without our two best players for the next two.

This just feels like typical Hibs and I'm worried.

[Coco Bryce]

Just seen JRs after match interview.

Usual boring bland repetitive bollocks...

[Danderhall Hibs]

Hate to say it big chap but it looked like he new what he was doing, Tam and the other dude commentating were a couple of slavers tonight.

Was defo a red.

Tam in particular- I sat “correcting” him over and over again. Like he was watching a different camera angle from me.

[A Hi-Bee]

Back to earth with a bump. Sunday now feels a long time ago and was clearly a one off.

We had a tough run of games coming up but it has just got harder without our two best players for the next two.

This just feels like typical Hibs and I'm worried.

Just chill, its just a game of football, Hibs will return soon, been that way for the 60 odd years I have seen them.
GGTTH
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[tamig]

Doidge is the clearest red you will see. He will be lucky not to get a linger ban.

Away man. Lucky not to get a longer ban? What pish.

[darwenhibby]

Last two games have pretty much summed up Hibs!
On our day we can beat anyone but also culpable to lose to anyone
Think we beat ourselves again however the free kick they played out to Spittal was a foul to Hibs initially and then 2 Hibs players give away daft fouls.
Boyle was daft but you can understand his frustrations when he gets lumps kicked out of him every week

[tamig]

Macey made a couple of really good saves and they missed a couple of sitters, could easily have been a 4-0 drubbing.

Their missed sitters came when we were chasing the game and down to ten. Of course they were going to get chances late on.

[Hibernia&Alba]

The league form is getting worrying. Ross needs desperately needs a win from somewhere, otherwise he will soon be out of a job. He won't last on cup results alone.

[Brightside]

Away man. Lucky not to get a longer ban? What pish.

He deliberately kicked out at the player after the tackle. Sent off for Violent Conduct. Once Jack watches it there is now way he will appeal it. It was a crazy kick out by Doidge. None of us can defend that.

[Alfred E Newman]

Back to earth with a bump. Sunday now feels a long time ago and was clearly a one off.

We had a tough run of games coming up but it has just got harder without our two best players for the next two.

This just feels like typical Hibs and I'm worried.
Give up

[Crunchie]

Macey made a couple of really good saves and they missed a couple of sitters, could easily have been a 4-0 drubbing.
That was after they scored and we were down to 10 men, we would have won had we taken our earlier chances in the game. We were far from poor last night and all things considered we were very unlucky to lose that game.

[Brightside]

That was after they scored and we were down to 10 men, we would have won had we taken our earlier chances in the game. We were far from poor last night and all things considered we were very unlucky to lose that game.

Spot on.

[Crunchie]

Overreacting? Really? I've already made the point that we were brilliant on Sunday. The Manager and players deserved all the plaudits they got for the win.

We've also now have had 5 meek league defeats in a row. How many league defeats will it take for it not to be an overreaction? 7, 9, 11?

The point I'm making is the massive difference in the level of performance game to game is inexplicable. Needs addressed by the Manager.
That wasn't a meek defeat though, that was as dominant an away performance your likely to see from Hibs other than scoring. I think as Jack said they run out of legs last night, the freak goal and sending off capped an unlucky loss.
We haven't lost 7,9 or 11 so let's not panic just yet. Injuries and suspensions have played a big part in those losses, I've every faith in Jack and the players to turn it around.

[B.H.F.C]

That was after they scored and we were down to 10 men, we would have won had we taken our earlier chances in the game. We were far from poor last night and all things considered we were very unlucky to lose that game.

The second half was dreadful. We had nothing other than a couple of half chances. We lost a dreadful goal, our reaction to losing the goal was dreadful and our reaction to losing Doidge was dreadful.

We just let the game drift along. We’re now five defeats on the bounce with a fixture pile up and last night was against the poorest team we’ll face. Last night was a bad night and the total lack of goals in that team is going to cost us (unfortunately we don’t get any points for creating a few chances).

[Mikey_1875]

The second half was dreadful. We had nothing other than a couple of half chances. We lost a dreadful goal, our reaction to losing the goal was dreadful and our reaction to losing Doidge was dreadful.

We just let the game drift along. We’re now five defeats on the bounce with a fixture pile up and last night was against the poorest team we’ll face. Last night was a bad night and the total lack of goals in that team is going to cost us (unfortunately we don’t get any points for creating a few chances).

Completely agree r.e letting the game drift along. After 10/15 of the second half it was clear that the game would be fizzling out into a 0-0 or a lucky 1-0 for either team so it was then that we had to be aggressive in going after the game to get the win. To make a straight swap without making us more attacking at the time seemed odd to me.

I realise the Nisbet sub seems a divisive issue but what I would argue is that why was it not until after we conceded that we put Boyle out wide and went with Doidge and Gullan up top in order to chase an equaliser? We should have been chasing a winner much earlier and surely a combo of Doidge, Boyle and Nisbet is worth more of a chance than Gullan who unfortunately isn’t making any impact at all in games.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Away man. Lucky not to get a longer ban? What pish.


spot on

[Ronniekirk]

I just honestly don't think we were that bad at all tonight. Take a few good chances first half and it's a completely different game. The luckiest goal that you'll ever see from them as well.

I do worry about the suspensions and fixture pileup though. I just can't see anyone else putting in a proper run of results that they'll be too far gone come January to catch.

I only saw last 25 minutes of the game ,but how many times do a club need a win badly and they get it against us Can’t just be coincidence



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[Ronniekirk]

Definitely, Boyle should've just left the pitch.

I still don't know how this rule gets applied though. If we are talking about a referee's feelings being hurt so it becomes a red card then the game has gone bonkers. Dissent needs to have a fixed level unless it is discriminatory abuse of some kind. If Boyle just said he was hopeless at his job (in a stronger manner) and got a red for it then game is finished.

Yellow for dissent. If they don't stop then second yellow. Straight red for dissent is mental.

Is there not supposed to be a stepped approach to dealing with dissent as well?

You would need to know what he said .Persistent Verbal assault using totally unacceptable language He may have warned him if you continue doing this it will be a straight red
Assume club will consider appeal if they don’t view it a straight red


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[green with envy]

What did Boyle do… I switched off at full time

I'd also like to know. Never thought my morning could get any worse after that performance & result. Left straight after the final whistle for the 3.5hr miserable drive home and now sitting at work after only 4 hours kip, now to find this out.:confused:

[B.H.F.C]

Completely agree r.e letting the game drift along. After 10/15 of the second half it was clear that the game would be fizzling out into a 0-0 or a lucky 1-0 for either team so it was then that we had to be aggressive in going after the game to get the win. To make a straight swap without making us more attacking at the time seemed odd to me.

I realise the Nisbet sub seems a divisive issue but what I would argue is that why was it not until after we conceded that we put Boyle out wide and went with Doidge and Gullan up top in order to chase an equaliser? We should have been chasing a winner much earlier and surely a combo of Doidge, Boyle and Nisbet is worth more of a chance than Gullan who unfortunately isn’t making any impact at all in games.

I thought the subs (or non subs) were poor. It had a feel of accepting a point for me.

[Cod Boy]

I don’t think Gullan touched the ball when he came on

[Heisenberg]

I don’t think Gullan touched the ball when he came on

Simply not good enough for this level. Ridiculous we’re still relying on him off the bench.

[tamig]

He deliberately kicked out at the player after the tackle. Sent off for Violent Conduct. Once Jack watches it there is now way he will appeal it. It was a crazy kick out by Doidge. None of us can defend that.

It was silly. Your comment around a potentially longer ban was nonsense.