Jack Ross

[yerauldda]

New 2 year deal.

[yerauldda]

That’ll be Jack Ross..

[JDT]

That’ll be Jack Ross..

Jack Rose does sound more exotic though

[Callum_62]

A rose by any other name

Good news

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[Hibernian Verse]

I'm absolutely delighted. It's good to have stability around the club and I'm sure they've covered their arse just incase it goes pearshaped at some point.

[04Sauzee]

Good to have some continuity at the club and he must feel like he's being backed by the club. Happy with this.

[S4uzee]

A lot to prove

[hibsbollah]

I'm absolutely delighted. It's good to have stability around the club and I'm sure they've covered their arse just incase it goes pearshaped at some point.

A lot of buttock metaphors in there.
Is this a McGinn thread?

[hibsbollah]

A lot to prove

:dunno: in what way?

[The Spaceman]

Really, really happy with that. It’s clear he’s a very good manager - 3rd, a cup final and two cup semi finals is as good a season as we’ve had in the past 30 years. He’s building a solid foundation here and we will only get stronger. Stability is key just now whilst Hearts and Aberdeen look set to be in a bit of a transition.

[Leitherhibs]

The Head Coach that has taken us from a relegation battle to third in one season signing a new contract should be universally considered a great move by the club, yet for some he still has a "point to prove" - Funny old game is football.

[Jones28]

:dunno: in what way?

WiNiNG sIlVeRWaRE

[Steve88]

WiNiNG sIlVeRWaRE

Patience. Tiny tiny steps...:agree:

[blackpoolhibs]

Great news, more of the same please Jack.:top marks

[Since452]

Outstanding news. Best manager we've had in a very long time. Let's him continue to build.

[Stuart93]

WiNiNG sIlVeRWaRE

Hmm. In all fairness, we had two fantastic opportunities to do it and failed on both occasions.

Happy enough he’s signed a new deal as there has been progress. Unsure if we’ll get a better chance at silverware as we did last season but I reckon our derby record this season will have a big part to play, either rightly or wrongly.

[Percy Vere]

Fantastic
Hibs need a period of stability and success.
Jack be the man

[hibsbollah]

WiNiNG sIlVeRWaRE

Is your caps lock broken or are you doing all your typing today in the style of a ransom note? :faf:

I think he could have us third, miss out on silverware again and still feel safe in his job to be honest. Aside from Gerard and yon St Johnstone manager I can’t think of any boss under less pressure than Ross.

[Bostonhibby]

Happy with this, he will keep us going in the right direction.

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[GreenCastle]

Jack added: “I’m very happy at Hibernian and I have been well supported by my staff, the players and the Board. “

Sly dig at the fans or just forgot to mention the fans..

Happy he’s renewed though this season will be a challenge - stronger league - x3 derbies minimum plus a new managers at Celtic and Aberdeen. It’s been discussed for pages on here what merits as a successful season. Consistency in the league - derby wins and hopefully continued cup runs to later stages / ideally winning a trophy would be perfect. High expectations but we have to keep pushing on.

[Callum_62]

A lot to proveHas he?

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[Since452]

The Head Coach that has taken us from a relegation battle to third in one season signing a new contract should be universally considered a great move by the club, yet for some he still has a "point to prove" - Funny old game is football.

Mental. Some still upset we lost a cup final to St Johnstone it seems. If only we'd lost at home in the QF to St Johnstone like Rangers did. Relegation fodder to Europe and cup finals in what? 2 seasons? Keep building Jack.

[04Sauzee]

I know stats aren't everything but looking at the 16 full times managers that we have had since and including Alex Miller , Jack Ross has the 2nd best win rate percentage with only Alan Stubbs fairing better and he only managed us in the Championship.

[Stuart93]

Mental. Some still upset we lost a cup final to St Johnstone it seems. If only we'd lost at home in the QF to St Johnstone like Rangers did. Relegation fodder to Europe and cup finals in what? 2 seasons? Keep building Jack.

Some still upset at the way we lost to st johnstone.

I’m not too fussed about it now and excited for the new season but can understand why some people would still be upset at losing the SC final to st J without looking as if we tried a leg.

[blackpoolhibs]

Some still upset at the way we lost to st johnstone.

I’m not too fussed about it now and excited for the new season but can understand why some people would still be upset at losing the SC final to st J without looking as if we tried a leg.

I was upset, now i'm not, i'm over it. No amount of me being upset will change the result or the performance.

[Stuart93]

I was upset, now i'm not, i'm over it. No amount of me being upset will change the result or the performance.

And that’s fair enough, as am I. But I can understand some people still having gripe at the way we performed in the cup final.

[bingo70]

Mental. Some still upset we lost a cup final to St Johnstone it seems. If only we'd lost at home in the QF to St Johnstone like Rangers did. Relegation fodder to Europe and cup finals in what? 2 seasons? Keep building Jack.

Do you really think it’s the cup final in isolation that people are upset about?

It’s the cup final combined with the semi final loss to St Johnstone, the semi final loss to Hearts and the league defeat at home to Hearts when we were battered at a time they were losing to everyone.

That combined with not the most entertaining brand of football I can understand why many aren’t doing cartwheels about this.

He finished third last season and he deserves credit for the team he built. Once the dust had settled from the cup final, nobody wanted him sacked and quite rightly so. That doesn’t mean everyone has taken to him again all of a sudden though.

I think he does have a lot to prove this season, you can scoff at that all you want but wait and see the reaction if we lose the first derby. If we win that derby he’ll also get plenty praise BTW. To me that’s pretty much the definition of having something to prove.

[MWHIBBIES]

Fully deserved after a very good first full season

[SHODAN]

Good.

[blackpoolhibs]

Do you really think it’s the cup final in isolation that people are upset about?

It’s the cup final combined with the semi final loss to St Johnstone, the semi final loss to Hearts and the league defeat at home to Hearts when we were battered at a time they were losing to everyone.

That combined with not the most entertaining brand of football I can understand why many aren’t doing cartwheels about this.

He finished third last season and he deserves credit for the team he built. Once the dust had settled from the cup final, nobody wanted him sacked and quite rightly so. That doesn’t mean everyone has taken to him again all of a sudden though.

I think he does have a lot to prove this season, you can scoff at that all you want but wait and see the reaction if we lose the first derby. If we win that derby he’ll also get plenty praise BTW. To me that’s pretty much the definition of having something to prove.

Progress Bingo, when we start slipping backwards, then that will be the time to get stuck into him. Since he arrived, we've made big strides forward, yes we have had bad results, but which manager we've had hasn't?

I cant think of any Hibs manager who's won every derby game, or not lost them, so when it does happen and it will, we should just accept that he's going to get slaughtered, probably because he never wins any big games. :wink:

[Allez Hibs]

Has he?

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Yes, very much so.

[JimBHibees]

Really, really happy with that. It’s clear he’s a very good manager - 3rd, a cup final and two cup semi finals is as good a season as we’ve had in the past 30 years. He’s building a solid foundation here and we will only get stronger. Stability is key just now whilst Hearts and Aberdeen look set to be in a bit of a transition.

That is where I am he is building something and making incremental progress both in terms of results and the quality of the signings in the main.

[Allez Hibs]

Do you really think it’s the cup final in isolation that people are upset about?

It’s the cup final combined with the semi final loss to St Johnstone, the semi final loss to Hearts and the league defeat at home to Hearts when we were battered at a time they were losing to everyone.

That combined with not the most entertaining brand of football I can understand why many aren’t doing cartwheels about this.

He finished third last season and he deserves credit for the team he built. Once the dust had settled from the cup final, nobody wanted him sacked and quite rightly so. That doesn’t mean everyone has taken to him again all of a sudden though.

I think he does have a lot to prove this season, you can scoff at that all you want but wait and see the reaction if we lose the first derby. If we win that derby he’ll also get plenty praise BTW. To me that’s pretty much the definition of having something to prove.

Good post.

Jack Ross needs to prove himself in the tougher league this season.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Ok whose in for him or sniffing around?

[Peevemor]

Good post.

Jack Ross needs to prove himself in the tougher league this season.

And if he does, his detractors will just shift the goalposts and say that the league wasn't tough after all.

[JimBHibees]

I was upset, now i'm not, i'm over it. No amount of me being upset will change the result or the performance.

Agree it is gone now, new season time to move on.

[Vault Boy]

Good news.

[Heisenberg]

Brilliant news.

[Hibernian Verse]

A lot of buttock metaphors in there.
Is this a McGinn thread?

People do say I talk out my behind so it must be rubbing off on me :greengrin

[CraigHibee]

Yip, happy with that 💚

[S4uzee]

Do you really think it’s the cup final in isolation that people are upset about?

It’s the cup final combined with the semi final loss to St Johnstone, the semi final loss to Hearts and the league defeat at home to Hearts when we were battered at a time they were losing to everyone.

That combined with not the most entertaining brand of football I can understand why many aren’t doing cartwheels about this.

He finished third last season and he deserves credit for the team he built. Once the dust had settled from the cup final, nobody wanted him sacked and quite rightly so. That doesn’t mean everyone has taken to him again all of a sudden though.

I think he does have a lot to prove this season, you can scoff at that all you want but wait and see the reaction if we lose the first derby. If we win that derby he’ll also get plenty praise BTW. To me that’s pretty much the definition of having something to prove.

Spot on. 3 very poor results/performances is not just “one of those things” and I had forgot about that Derby before lockdown

[bingo70]

Good post.

Jack Ross needs to prove himself in the tougher league this season.

See, I’m not sure i agree with that.

There’ll be tougher games this season, no doubt about that but he can only compete in the league he’s in. We did that well for the most part last season.

There’s still big areas of concern for me though and until he addresses them I don’t think I’ll completely buy into this Hibs team or him as our manager.

I personally don’t see the need to give him another 2 year deal now but in the greater scheme of things I don’t think it’ll make any difference really so if it makes some folk happy then fine. Doesn’t change anything in my book though, if he does badly he’ll still get sacked. If he does well other clubs will still take him. Compensation for a manager is minimal normally anyway.

[BILLYHIBS]

Do you really think it’s the cup final in isolation that people are upset about?

It’s the cup final combined with the semi final loss to St Johnstone, the semi final loss to Hearts and the league defeat at home to Hearts when we were battered at a time they were losing to everyone.

That combined with not the most entertaining brand of football I can understand why many aren’t doing cartwheels about this.

He finished third last season and he deserves credit for the team he built. Once the dust had settled from the cup final, nobody wanted him sacked and quite rightly so. That doesn’t mean everyone has taken to him again all of a sudden though.

I think he does have a lot to prove this season, you can scoff at that all you want but wait and see the reaction if we lose the first derby. If we win that derby he’ll also get plenty praise BTW. To me that’s pretty much the definition of having something to prove.

This but beating Hearts is not the be all and end all

We need to finish third by playing fast exciting entertaining attractive attacking football not the sterile behind closed doors stuff where every team had sussed our style by season end and panic mode had set in with no plan B

Jack Ross needs to prove to us he is not a ‘Loser’ by beating Celtic The Rangers Aberdeen and Hearts and winning trophies

Bring it on !

[Callum_62]

The

This but beating Hearts is not the be all and end all

We need to finish third by playing fast exciting entertaining attractive attacking football not the sterile behind closed doors stuff where every team had sussed our style by season end and panic mode had set in with no plan B

Jack Ross needs to prove to us he is not a ‘Loser’ by beating Celtic The Rangers Aberdeen and Hearts and winning trophies

Bring it on !He's not a loser as he finished best of the rest over the course of a full season

Someone should really start a poll

[emoji57]

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[Allez Hibs]

See, I’m not sure i agree with that.

There’ll be tougher games this season, no doubt about that but he can only compete in the league he’s in. We did that well for the most part last season.

There’s still big areas of concern for me though and until he addresses them I don’t think I’ll completely buy into this Hibs team or him as our manager.

I personally don’t see the need to give him another 2 year deal now but in the greater scheme of things I don’t think it’ll make any difference really so if it makes some folk happy then fine. Doesn’t change anything in my book though, if he does badly he’ll still get sacked. If he does well other clubs will still take him. Compensation for a manager is minimal normally anyway.

I think the new contract for Jack Ross along with reading the Mathie interview it all makes sense now.

[Since452]

Good post.

Jack Ross needs to prove himself in the tougher league this season.

Is it really a tougher league this season?

[Scouse Hibee]

Good post.

Jack Ross needs to prove himself in the tougher league this season.

The tougher league?

[Allez Hibs]

Is it really a tougher league this season?

Yes. Our Derby record makes it a tougher league alone.

[Since452]

The

This but beating Hearts is not the be all and end all

We need to finish third by playing fast exciting entertaining attractive attacking football not the sterile behind closed doors stuff where every team had sussed our style by season end and panic mode had set in with no plan B

Jack Ross needs to prove to us he is not a ‘Loser’ by beating Celtic The Rangers Aberdeen and Hearts and winning trophies

Bring it on !

Beating Hibs is the be all and end all for Hearts and they get themselves relegated all the time. I'd rather not be utterly consumed by our city rivals and see the bigger picture i.e Europe and the latter stages of cups consistently.

[Peevemor]

Yes. Our Derby record makes it a tougher league alone.

There's nothing like looking at the bigger picture and keeping an open mind...and that's nothing like it.

[BILLYHIBS]

He's not a loser as he finished best of the rest over the course of a full season

Someone should really start a poll

[emoji57]

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A poll for what?

[bingo70]

Is it really a tougher league this season?

Removing ourselves from the Jack Ross conversation for a second I don’t think there’s any doubt it will be.

Hearts will be a sterner test than Hamilton. St Johnstone came out the traps very slowly last season and we don’t need to talk about how much they improved later in the season. Same applies with Motherwell.

Celtic unlikely to be as bad as they were last year, Dundee Utd another year in and established in the league.

I don’t see any obvious ‘whipping boys’ this season.

Same will apply to all teams though so not sure we’ll see that much difference in terms of points totals, I think it will be a harder league this year though.

[Scouse Hibee]

Yes. Our Derby record makes it a tougher league alone.

So Hearts come back and Jack Ross has to prove himself after finishing third last year, nah not for me no tougher this coming season than it was the last.

[Allez Hibs]

Removing ourselves from the Jack Ross conversation for a second I don’t think there’s any doubt it will be.

Hearts will be a sterner test than Hamilton. St Johnstone came out the traps very slowly last season and we don’t need to talk about how much they improved later in the season. Same applies with Motherwell.

Celtic unlikely to be as bad as they were last year, Dundee Utd another year in and established in the league.

I don’t see any obvious ‘whipping boys’ this season.

Same will apply to all teams though so not sure we’ll see that much difference in terms of points totals, I think it will be a harder league this year though.

So it is a tougher league this season.

The points we take off Hearts will be far fewer than we would have off Hamilton etc.

[bingo70]

So Hearts come back and Jack Ross has to prove himself after finishing third last year, nah not for me no tougher this coming season than it was the last.

Do you not think Hearts will be better than Hamilton?

Straight away that makes it a tougher League IMO. Nothing to do with them being our rivals.

[superfurryhibby]

Is it really a tougher league this season?

Our performances in those games will be a big factor in defining the kind of season we have. Even if they end up bottom six, they will be more likely to take points from us than the likes of St Mirren, Dundee etc.

Ross has the challenge of raised expectation for this coming season. We have spent money and will no doubt do so again during the current window. I'm hoping for improvement this season. Beating Hearts and competing v the OF, as well as winning a cup, or at least not capitulating to the likes St Johnstone in the biggest game we can play in.

[Allez Hibs]

So Hearts come back and Jack Ross has to prove himself after finishing third last year, nah not for me no tougher this coming season than it was the last.

How many points we taking off them then?

[hibsbollah]

Yes. Our Derby record makes it a tougher league alone.

Hearts in, Hamilton out. Are Hearts better than Hamilton? Yes, without a doubt, from a quick glance we’ve not lost against them for 4 years, something like 9 games, and they were fighting relegation every year. Hearts have a bigger budget and a few top players with a lot of experience.

However I’m not sure there’s any need to call it ‘the new tougher league’, like they are world beaters. Last season they were in the top league they were relegated for being *****, 8 points adrift and they were honking last season against honking opposition from what I saw. If anyone’s scared of a new tougher league it should be them.

[Peevemor]

Removing ourselves from the Jack Ross conversation for a second I don’t think there’s any doubt it will be.

Hearts will be a sterner test than Hamilton. St Johnstone came out the traps very slowly last season and we don’t need to talk about how much they improved later in the season. Same applies with Motherwell.

Celtic unlikely to be as bad as they were last year, Dundee Utd another year in and established in the league.

I don’t see any obvious ‘whipping boys’ this season.

Same will apply to all teams though so not sure we’ll see that much difference in terms of points totals, I think it will be a harder league this year though.

You could be right but it could easily go the other way too.

Celtic should be better but we didn't beat them last season anyway (L1 D3).
Aberdeen & Dundee Utd. with new, inexperienced managers could both go either way.
Hearts might be tough but hey - Robbie Replay, nuff said!
Our record against St Johnstone can't get very much worse.

Plus fans are back which will have an effect - again either way.

[Since452]

How many points we taking off them then?

Who knows? We've won one and lost one against Hearts in the league under Ross. Will probably be a lottery as these games usually are regardless of form.

[Since452]

Removing ourselves from the Jack Ross conversation for a second I don’t think there’s any doubt it will be.

Hearts will be a sterner test than Hamilton. St Johnstone came out the traps very slowly last season and we don’t need to talk about how much they improved later in the season. Same applies with Motherwell.

Celtic unlikely to be as bad as they were last year, Dundee Utd another year in and established in the league.

I don’t see any obvious ‘whipping boys’ this season.

Same will apply to all teams though so not sure we’ll see that much difference in terms of points totals, I think it will be a harder league this year though.

Looking at it from a purely "rivals" point of view. Celtic and Aberdeen are in transition, Dundee United have a rookie managing them and Hearts are a bit of an unknown but the general consensus amongst that lot is they aren't particularly positive about their chances this season. St Johnstone will be lucky to keep their defence and Livingston won't go on a mental run this season. I'd say it's about the same as last season.

[Lago]

Really, really happy with that. It’s clear he’s a very good manager - 3rd, a cup final and two cup semi finals is as good a season as we’ve had in the past 30 years. He’s building a solid foundation here and we will only get stronger. Stability is key just now whilst Hearts and Aberdeen look set to be in a bit of a transition.
Turn the semi finals into finals & the finals into wins.

[Wilson]

Deserves it on the back of managing the team to third place. Here is hoping we can repeat the feat as well as kicking on in Europe.

[Hibernian Verse]

This but beating Hearts is not the be all and end all

We need to finish third by playing fast exciting entertaining attractive attacking football not the sterile behind closed doors stuff where every team had sussed our style by season end and panic mode had set in with no plan B

Jack Ross needs to prove to us he is not a ‘Loser’ by beating Celtic The Rangers Aberdeen and Hearts and winning trophies

Bring it on !

Which part of panic mode does beating Aberdeen 1-0 at Pitoddrie, followed by a 0-0 draw with Celtic fall under?

[Peevemor]

Which part of panic mode does beating Aberdeen 1-0 at Pitoddrie, followed by a 0-0 draw with Celtic fall under?

Exactly - it's like Groundhog Day!

[Hibernian Verse]

Exactly - it's like Groundhog Day!

I don't mind Jack Ross getting pelters for things he's done wrong (within reason), but making stuff up to fit a narrative...jeez.

[Alex Trager]

This but beating Hearts is not the be all and end all

We need to finish third by playing fast exciting entertaining attractive attacking football not the sterile behind closed doors stuff where every team had sussed our style by season end and panic mode had set in with no plan B

Jack Ross needs to prove to us he is not a ‘Loser’ by beating Celtic The Rangers Aberdeen and Hearts and winning trophies

Bring it on !

See, I am still miffed by the cup final ‘performance’ as much as the next guy.

But I don’t think we fell apart at the end of the season. Far from it to be honest.

We won the semi with ease. We beat the sheep up there for the first time in 9 year and finished comfortably third.

I never seen any end of season panic mode

[BILLYHIBS]

Which part of panic mode does beating Aberdeen 1-0 at Pitoddrie, followed by a 0-0 draw with Celtic fall under?

Livi, Motherwell, Hearts, St Johnstone ( twice) and could easily with a bit of luck beat a poor Celtic twice especially at home

The last home derby was an embarrassment my granny has more fight and she’s been deid thirty years

:greengrin

[Pretty Boy]

It would be hell of a boring if we all just agreed.

Ross has done a decent job, from that point of view he deserves a new contract. I don't have to be particularly enthused about the idea watching his team for the next few years though. If others feel the end result is the only concern or genuinely enjoyed watching us last season then I'm not going to say you're wrong but I personally can't get all that excited about this news.

From a stability point of view it's good and there is every chance it could prove to be from a performance one as well. Time will tell.

[BILLYHIBS]

See, I am still miffed by the cup final ‘performance’ as much as the next guy.

But I don’t think we fell apart at the end of the season. Far from it to be honest.

We won the semi with ease. We beat the sheep up there for the first time in 9 year and finished comfortably third.

I never seen any end of season panic mode
Yip Jack Ross seemed to think we played well in the Final couldn’t fault the players or tactics :rolleyes:

[Peevemor]

Yip Jack Ross seemed to think we played well in the Final couldn’t fault the players or tactics :rolleyes:

Luckily there's more to football than post match interviews.

[Callum_62]

Yip Jack Ross seemed to think we played well in the Final couldn’t fault the players or tactics :rolleyes:Believe then I have a bridge to sell

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[blackpoolhibs]

This but beating Hearts is not the be all and end all

We need to finish third by playing fast exciting entertaining attractive attacking football not the sterile behind closed doors stuff where every team had sussed our style by season end and panic mode had set in with no plan B

Jack Ross needs to prove to us he is not a ‘Loser’ by beating Celtic The Rangers Aberdeen and Hearts and winning trophies

Bring it on !

That has to be right up there with the most bullcrap i've read on here, and i've written some bullcrap in my time.

[Squealing pig]

Great news best manager for a long time

[blackpoolhibs]

Is this new tougher league only tougher for us?:confused:

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

It would be hell of a boring if we all just agreed.

Ross has done a decent job, from that point of view he deserves a new contract. I don't have to be particularly enthused about the idea watching his team for the next few years though. If others feel the end result is the only concern or genuinely enjoyed watching us last season then I'm not going to say you're wrong but I personally can't get all that excited about this news.

From a stability point of view it's good and there is every chance it could prove to be from a performance one as well. Time will tell.

Couldn't agree more PB.

[BILLYHIBS]

That has to be right up there with the most bullcrap i've read on here, and i've written some bullcrap in my time.
As another poster has pointed out the football on offer was eye bleeding and he spurned three gilt edged opportunities to deliver silverware

It is only finishing third that keeps him in my good books :greengrin

You know where the ignore button is

[blackpoolhibs]

It would be hell of a boring if we all just agreed.

Ross has done a decent job, from that point of view he deserves a new contract. I don't have to be particularly enthused about the idea watching his team for the next few years though. If others feel the end result is the only concern or genuinely enjoyed watching us last season then I'm not going to say you're wrong but I personally can't get all that excited about this news.

From a stability point of view it's good and there is every chance it could prove to be from a performance one as well. Time will tell.

That surely is the aim, and we start from a better place than a lot of previous managers. The foundations are there for this manager to improve us even more, and hopefully the odd trophy with some attractive football.

As you say, time will tell, i also feel with fans actually in the stadium, it wont feel as sterile as it has watching on tv, and emotions will impact on peoples views on how we've played, rather than this black or white viewpoint we see now.

[blackpoolhibs]

As another poster has pointed out the football on offer was eye bleeding and he spurned three gilt edged opportunities to deliver silverware

It is only finishing third that keeps him in my good books :greengrin

You know where the ignore button is

No chance, i love reading bull. :wink:

[Since452]

Every manager has a shelf life at a club before a natural decline. A good example is McInnes at Aberdeen. But what I'd give to have a good 4 or 5 seasons regularly competing for 3rd and getting to cup finals. Would do the club wonders. Was a rarity for Hibs finishing 3rd but next step is to try and do it consistently. That would be outstanding. We have a chance to do that under Ross. Has he made mistakes? Undoubtedly, but you learn through experience. We have a really solid foundation to push on as a club on and off the park, I'm excited for the future and it's about bloody time.

[BILLYHIBS]

No chance, i love reading bull. :wink:
:thumbsup:

[Scouse Hibee]

How many points we taking off them then?

I can’t find my crystal ball just now.

[silverhibee]

That surely is the aim, and we start from a better place than a lot of previous managers. The foundations are there for this manager to improve us even more, and hopefully the odd trophy with some attractive football.

As you say, time will tell, i also feel with fans actually in the stadium, it wont feel as sterile as it has watching on tv, and emotions will impact on peoples views on how we've played, rather than this black or white viewpoint we see now.

Our home form will have to improve under Ross, fans back in the ground, that mob in the West when things aren’t going well will let him know these dull performances aren’t good enough if they continue from last season., :greengrin

[Scouse Hibee]

Do you not think Hearts will be better than Hamilton?

Straight away that makes it a tougher League IMO. Nothing to do with them being our rivals.

Newly promoted Hearts will make it a much tougher league will they? Pretty sure they will play all the other teams too, not just Hibs. I have no idea if they will be better than Hamilton, they were pretty crap the season before last though.

[calumhibee1]

Newly promoted Hearts will make it a much tougher league will they? Pretty sure they will play all the other teams too, not just Hibs. I have no idea if they will be better than Hamilton, they were pretty crap the season before last though.

I think it’ll be a higher standard of league, but then as you say, that goes for everybody.

The problem with Hearts is that other teams have no problems tucking them away. We do though, regardless of how ***** they are so in that regard it does become a slightly tougher league for us.

[FilipinoHibs]

Ross out now!

[CMurdoch]

I think this continuity is positive.
Ross still has a few Lennon and Heckenbottom era players for one more season. That cycle will end next summer and from thereon Ross will have only players signed in his time plus those already here who he wanted to keep and gave new contracts to.
He has gradually moved on those players he doesn't want. That started with Vela and this summer has seen Mallan, James, Murray & Gray leave the first team.
I think we will be 3rd again this season if we can hold onto Nisbet & Boyle or replace them well which would be a tough ask.

[Allez Hibs]

Newly promoted Hearts will make it a much tougher league will they? Pretty sure they will play all the other teams too, not just Hibs. I have no idea if they will be better than Hamilton, they were pretty crap the season before last though.
Think you are missing the point as to why Hearts being back in the league makes it tougher for Hibs.

Our record against them is woeful. The season they were relegated they beat us 2/3 times with us taking 3 points off them.

Say we were to play Hamilton instead that is easily 7/9 points lost for us against the field. That's why it is tougher for us and especially Jack Ross as he will be under the spotlight in derbies.

Historically, we will do well to take 4 points off them this season.

[Peevemor]

Think you are missing the point as to why Hearts being back in the league makes it tougher for Hibs.

Our record against them is woeful. The season they were relegated they beat us 2/3 times with us taking 3 points off them.

Say we were to play Hamilton instead that is easily 7/9 points lost for us against the field. That's why it is tougher for us and especially Jack Ross as he will be under the spotlight in derbies.

Historically, we will do well to take 4 points off them this season.

Especially from people like yourself.

[calumhibee1]

Especially from people like yourself.

The whole club should be under the spotlight in derbies from everybody.

They’re huge games. We’re best of the rest, they’re newly promoted. The expectation on Hibs should be sky high.

[Peevemor]

The whole club should be under the spotlight in derbies from everybody.

They’re huge games. We’re best of the rest, they’re newly promoted. The expectation on Hibs should be sky high.

Does that mean compulsory hysterics if a result doesn't go our way?

[calumhibee1]

Does that mean compulsory hysterics if a result doesn't go our way?

It means there’ll be valid criticism if our record against them is ****.

That’s the way it is when you’re meant to be the best of the rest.

[Allez Hibs]

Especially from people like yourself.

I want us to be winning Derbies, yes.

Not least when they are bottom of the league staring relegation in the face or when they are in the league below and they have barely played a competitive match and we are playing them in a Scottish Cup Semi Final.

[Brightside]

As another poster has pointed out the football on offer was eye bleeding and he spurned three gilt edged opportunities to deliver silverware

It is only finishing third that keeps him in my good books :greengrin

You know where the ignore button is

No it wasn’t.

[Scouse Hibee]

Think you are missing the point as to why Hearts being back in the league makes it tougher for Hibs.

Our record against them is woeful. The season they were relegated they beat us 2/3 times with us taking 3 points off them.

Say we were to play Hamilton instead that is easily 7/9 points lost for us against the field. That's why it is tougher for us and especially Jack Ross as he will be under the spotlight in derbies.

Historically, we will do well to take 4 points off them this season.

I’m not missing the point at all, I just don’t agree with you. Do you think Hearts will take more points of other teams than Hamilton did?

[Brightside]

Does that mean compulsory hysterics if a result doesn't go our way?

It’s just another game. But as we’ve heard from many on here they would happily be bottom 6 as long as we beat Hearts. And that’s just a crazy attitude to have.

[superfurryhibby]

Think you are missing the point as to why Hearts being back in the league makes it tougher for Hibs.

Our record against them is woeful. The season they were relegated they beat us 2/3 times with us taking 3 points off them.

Say we were to play Hamilton instead that is easily 7/9 points lost for us against the field. That's why it is tougher for us and especially Jack Ross as he will be under the spotlight in derbies.

Historically, we will do well to take 4 points off them this season.

That isn't strictly accurate. Someone posted a summary of our derby record these past ten seasons or so and there isn't much in it. That said we do have the weight of history associated with the fixture and as well all know, our overall record is dismal.

[Peevemor]

It’s just another game. But as we’ve heard from many on here they would happily be bottom 6 as long as we beat Hearts. And that’s just a crazy attitude to have.

It's not just another game either - but it certainly isn't the be all and end all.

[Allez Hibs]

It's not just another game either - but it certainly isn't the be all and end all.

Fine margins, I'm sure we'll come good eventually in Derbies.

[MWHIBBIES]

This but beating Hearts is not the be all and end all

We need to finish third by playing fast exciting entertaining attractive attacking football not the sterile behind closed doors stuff where every team had sussed our style by season end and panic mode had set in with no plan B

Jack Ross needs to prove to us he is not a ‘Loser’ by beating Celtic The Rangers Aberdeen and Hearts and winning trophies

Bring it on !

Why do we need to finish 3rd by playing a different style than the one that had us 3rd this season?

[Allez Hibs]

I’m not missing the point at all, I just don’t agree with you. Do you think Hearts will take more points of other teams than Hamilton did?

Point missed. Doesn't matter how they perform against other teams. But, it matters how they perform against us as our record isn't great in Derbies which makes it tougher against them than against a team like Hamilton.

It matters how many they'll take off us.

[BILLYHIBS]

No it wasn’t.
You think?

Most of the games I watched on HIBS Pass were uninspiring to say the least

I did enjoy Aberdeen away a result that gave me hope for the Cup Final but it was not to be

Let’s just say if it continues in the same vein the fans in the ground will become restless if results don’t go our way and Ross will be forced to make changes in personnel and shape quicker and sooner to influence games to ensure a positive result

Let’s just see what happens

[BILLYHIBS]

Why do we need to finish 3rd by playing a different style than the one that had us 3rd this season?
It is the HIBS way :greengrin

See my post #103

[bingo70]

Why do we need to finish 3rd by playing a different style than the one that had us 3rd this season?

Some people see football as a results business. Some people see football as being in the entertainment business. I’m not saying one or the other is right or wrong, I just think different people look for different things.

Finishing 3rd was great but did I enjoy last season? Nope.

That might change when we’re back in stadiums next season but I’m not convinced, even if we do finish 3rd again.

[superfurryhibby]

Why do we need to finish 3rd by playing a different style than the one that had us 3rd this season?

I'll take third and the same approach again. That said, it was pretty dull at times. Hopefully Ross will have the savvy to take the team forward with new signings and a more entertaining style of play.

[Allez Hibs]

Some people see football as a results business. Some people see football as being in the entertainment business. I’m not saying one or the other is right or wrong, I just think different people look for different things.

Finishing 3rd was great but did I enjoy last season? Nope.

That might change when we’re back in stadiums next season but I’m not convinced, even if we do finish 3rd again.

We didn't win a cup playing a style that was to grind out results going against the tradition of the club.

[superfurryhibby]

Why do we need to finish 3rd by playing a different style than the one that had us 3rd this season?

I'll take third and the same approach again. That said, it was pretty dull at times. Hopefully Ross will have the savvy to take the team forward with new signings and a more entertaining style of play.

[WillowbraeHibby]

We didn't win a cup playing a style that was to grind out results going against the tradition of the club.

:top marks

[Callum_62]

We didn't win a cup playing a style that was to grind out results going against the tradition of the club.Is it our tradition?

How many seasons in the past 30 years have we actually played flair football?

IMHO its as much a myth as 'Hibs class'

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[Rumble de Thump]

Jack Ross has performed much better for us than most of our other head coaches/managers.

[bingo70]

We didn't win a cup playing a style that was to grind out results going against the tradition of the club.

Very much preaching to the converted here.

I’m sure people will come along soon with stats to say why we were actually exciting to watch but it wasn’t my experience of watching us last season.

There’s obviously a balance to be had, nobody wants to watch an attacking team finishing near the bottom of the league. Hopefully we’ve laid the foundations and we can now build on last season to play a more entertaining brand of football. Another season the same as last season will be considered a success to many people and I get why, it’s just not what I’m after.

[Scouse Hibee]

Point missed. Doesn't matter how they perform against other teams. But, it matters how they perform against us as our record isn't great in Derbies which makes it tougher against them than against a team like Hamilton.

It matters how many they'll take off us.

Point missed? Again you have spectacularly missed the point or just chosen to ignore it.

[Silky]

Do you really think it’s the cup final in isolation that people are upset about?

It’s the cup final combined with the semi final loss to St Johnstone, the semi final loss to Hearts and the league defeat at home to Hearts when we were battered at a time they were losing to everyone.

That combined with not the most entertaining brand of football I can understand why many aren’t doing cartwheels about this.

He finished third last season and he deserves credit for the team he built. Once the dust had settled from the cup final, nobody wanted him sacked and quite rightly so. That doesn’t mean everyone has taken to him again all of a sudden though.

I think he does have a lot to prove this season, you can scoff at that all you want but wait and see the reaction if we lose the first derby. If we win that derby he’ll also get plenty praise BTW. To me that’s pretty much the definition of having something to prove.

Why does winning a Derby define a season? He could win all four (or three!) and take us down. Is that progress?

[Andy74]

Very much preaching to the converted here.

I’m sure people will come along soon with stats to say why we were actually exciting to watch but it wasn’t my experience of watching us last season.

There’s obviously a balance to be had, nobody wants to watch an attacking team finishing near the bottom of the league. Hopefully we’ve laid the foundations and we can now build on last season to play a more entertaining brand of football. Another season the same as last season will be considered a success to many people and I get why, it’s just not what I’m after.

We are an attacking team and we try and pass the ball.

Won’t always work and there is an opposition on the park but that’s what we are trying to do.

[bingo70]

Why does winning a Derby define a season? He could win all four (or three!) and take us down. Is that progress?

I can only speak for myself but winning derbies and trophies are creating memories you remember for a long time. We’re never going to win the league or much silverware so having special moments within a season are just what I enjoy.

I know you were exaggerating to make a point with the last bit but it’s missing the point. Nobody wants to see Hibs get relegated or near the bottom of the league but winning derbies.

We are a better team than hearts just now, we just want that to be reflected in matches against them. If we don’t then I don’t see what wrong with questioning why we’re not.

It would also be nice to see us punching above our weight and beating the old firm now and again, as much worse Hibs teams than this one has done a lot throughout my lifetime.

[bingo70]

We are an attacking team and we try and pass the ball.

Won’t always work and there is an opposition on the park but that’s what we are trying to do.

Did you enjoy watching us last season? If you did then that’s great but I never.

I suppose that’s my point ultimately. Good end result but I didn’t enjoy how we got there.

[B.H.F.C]

Newly promoted Hearts will make it a much tougher league will they? Pretty sure they will play all the other teams too, not just Hibs. I have no idea if they will be better than Hamilton, they were pretty crap the season before last though.

Think we’ll finish above Hearts but I’m almost certain we’ll drop points to them which we didn’t against the team they are replacing. Games against Hearts will will be tougher than the games we had against Hamilton last season so tougher for us in that respect.

[Allez Hibs]

I can only speak for myself but winning derbies and trophies are creating memories you remember for a long time. We’re never going to win the league or much silverware so having special moments within a season are just what I enjoy.

I know you were exaggerating to make a point with the last bit but it’s missing the point. Nobody wants to see Hibs get relegated or near the bottom of the league but winning derbies.

We are a better team than hearts just now, we just want that to be reflected in matches against them. If we don’t then I don’t see what wrong with questioning why we’re not.

It would also be nice to see us punching above our weight and beating the old firm now and again, as much worse Hibs teams than this one has done a lot throughout my lifetime.

Agreed.

There was a time when we would take the game to the Old Firm at home and had a good record against them. Mowbray, Collins, Stubbs and Lennon. We also knew we were beating Hearts at home under Stubbs and Lennon.

[bingo70]

Agreed.

There was a time when we would take the game to the Old Firm at home and had a good record against them. Mowbray, Collins, Stubbs and Lennon. We also knew we were beating Hearts at home under Stubbs and Lennon.

Even Jim Duffy’s team beat Celtic.

[Brightside]

I can only speak for myself but winning derbies and trophies are creating memories you remember for a long time. We’re never going to win the league or much silverware so having special moments within a season are just what I enjoy.

I know you were exaggerating to make a point with the last bit but it’s missing the point. Nobody wants to see Hibs get relegated or near the bottom of the league but winning derbies.

We are a better team than hearts just now, we just want that to be reflected in matches against them. If we don’t then I don’t see what wrong with questioning why we’re not.

It would also be nice to see us punching above our weight and beating the old firm now and again, as much worse Hibs teams than this one has done a lot throughout my lifetime.
Plenty people on here said they’d happily be bottom 6 as long as we beat Hearts.

[bingo70]

Plenty people on here said they’d happily be bottom 6 as long as we beat Hearts.

I don’t remember seeing that and tbh I would doubt if ‘plenty’ would take that view. The odd person here or there maybe but it’s not reflective of the majority of people who still have concerns about Jack Ross as manager.

[CMurdoch]

Think you are missing the point as to why Hearts being back in the league makes it tougher for Hibs.

Our record against them is woeful. The season they were relegated they beat us 2/3 times with us taking 3 points off them.

Say we were to play Hamilton instead that is easily 7/9 points lost for us against the field. That's why it is tougher for us and especially Jack Ross as he will be under the spotlight in derbies.

Historically, we will do well to take 4 points off them this season.

Past games against Hearts with different players on both sides are no guide to future fixture results between them.
They should be the 5th strongest team in the league this season which means matches between us will be tough but I expect Hibs to take no less than equal points against them in the probable 4 league games.

[superfurryhibby]

Plenty people on here said they’d happily be bottom 6 as long as we beat Hearts.

Plenty of people say this without it really being based on what plenty of people have actually said :wink:

[Greenio]

Great news.

Class manager that will only get better and prove many people wrong

Let's all get behind him until he starts taking us backwards eh

[wookie70]

Agreed.

There was a time when we would take the game to the Old Firm at home and had a good record against them. Mowbray, Collins, Stubbs and Lennon. We also knew we were beating Hearts at home under Stubbs and Lennon.

Hearts beat us at ER under Lennon although it was at the tail end of his tenure.

[CapitalGreen]

Hearts beat us at ER under Lennon although it was at the tail end of his tenure.

They also knocked us out the cup under Lennon too.

[Caversham Green]

Even Jim Duffy’s team beat Celtic.

So did Craig Levein's Hearts.

So, would you rather have Jim Duffy, Craig Levein or Jack Ross as Hibs manager?

[The Spaceman]

We apparently don’t play attacking enough football according to some geniuses on here even though we comfortably out scored every single team beneath us (you know, third place?). Clueless.

[Hibs90]

I think an extension to his deal is fair based on league performance but the jury is still out for me and it would take a lot to change my mind even more so after the cup final.

[CapitalGreen]

We didn't win a cup playing a style that was to grind out results going against the tradition of the club.

The tradition of the club for best part of the last 50 years is underperforming in the league and winning a trophy once a decade if we’re lucky.

[CapitalGreen]

I think an extension to his deal is fair based on league performance but the jury is still out for me and it would take a lot to change my mind even more so after the cup final.

No it will be based on cup performances too. We haven’t failed to reach the semi final stage of any cup competition since Ross became manager.

[bingo70]

So did Craig Levein's Hearts.

So, would you rather have Jim Duffy, Craig Levein or Jack Ross as Hibs manager?

It’s almost as if there’s no middle ground 😂

[calumhibee1]

I don’t remember seeing that and tbh I would doubt if ‘plenty’ would take that view. The odd person here or there maybe but it’s not reflective of the majority of people who still have concerns about Jack Ross as manager.

It’s certainly not something I seen at all either.

I did see plenty people say they’d take a cup and mid table like St Johnstone but I never saw anyone saying they’d take bottom 6 for a derby win.

[MJ hibs]

I think an extension to his deal is fair based on league performance but the jury is still out for me and it would take a lot to change my mind even more so after the cup final.

This! He is tactically quite naive, the final showed that. Also, in the league we only just finished above the dons who didn't really score for half a season.

A couple things in his favour: I don't know who could come in and be much better and his teams don't look like they will drop into the bottom six.

[Callum_62]

Also, in the league we only just finished above the dons who didn't really score for half a season.


Hibs - 63

Aberdeen - 56

St J - 45

Livi - 45

Thats 7 points (3 games) ahead of Aberdeen in 4th and a whopping 18 points (6 games) ahead of both St Js and Livi


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[BILLYHIBS]

I think an extension to his deal is fair based on league performance but the jury is still out for me and it would take a lot to change my mind even more so after the cup final.
:agree:

[Hibernian Verse]

This! He is tactically quite naive, the final showed that.

What about the times we beat the opposition? Surely he was tactically spot on in those games?

I take it he was just lucky though to finish 3rd.

[The Modfather]

We apparently don’t play attacking enough football according to some geniuses on here even though we comfortably out scored every single team beneath us (you know, third place?). Clueless.

Surely there’s a more constructive way you could have made your point? There’s an interesting debate to be had, even if it’s been done to death, but needlessly aggressive tones don’t help a constructive debate.

[Hibernian Verse]

Surely there’s a more constructive way you could have made your point? There’s an interesting debate to be had, even if it’s been done to death, but needlessly aggressive tones don’t help a constructive debate.

People get passive aggressive on here because of exactly what you say - it has been done to death.

Can't we all just look forward to the new season!?

:flag:

[Caversham Green]

It’s almost as if there’s no middle ground 😂

You chose Duffy as a comparative, so let's take Levein out of the equation - Duffy who managed to beat Celtc or Ross who hasn't (yet)?

[MJ hibs]

What about the times we beat the opposition? Surely he was tactically spot on in those games?

I take it he was just lucky though to finish 3rd.


I said tactically naive not clueless. We have recruited well and against most SPL teams that extra quality is enough. The final was worrying because we had really struggled attacking wise against St J on more than one occasion and he didn't change it.

[Allez Hibs]

Hibs - 63

Aberdeen - 56

St J - 45

Livi - 45

Thats 7 points (3 games) ahead of Aberdeen in 4th and a whopping 18 points (6 games) ahead of both St Js and Livi


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The test will be when Hearts are in the league. That will cause a points swing.

[Peevemor]

The test will be when Hearts are in the league. That will cause a points swing.

You're really keeching your pants about them coming up aren't you? I reckon they'll be as crap as they have been for years.

[CLASS OF 72 -73]

Hmm. In all fairness, we had two fantastic opportunities to do it and failed on both occasions.

Happy enough he’s signed a new deal as there has been progress. Unsure if we’ll get a better chance at silverware as we did last season but I reckon our derby record this season will have a big part to play, either rightly or wrongly.

Fully agree not sure we will ever have a better chance

[Allez Hibs]

You're really keeching your pants about them coming up aren't you? I reckong they'll be as crap as they have been for years.

The Derby games next season will define Jack Ross in the eyes of the supporters. There needs to be an improvement in them.

[Peevemor]

The Derby games next season will define Jack Ross in the eyes of the supporters. There needs to be an improvement in them.

Speak for yourself.

[Caversham Green]

You're really keeching your pants about them coming up aren't you? I reckong they'll be as crap as they have been for years.

That's what's getting me - people terrified of Hearts because they've beaten us in the past. Right now we have much better players than them, a much better manager than them and much better momentum than them.

We might not beat them every time we meet them but we'll win more than we'll lose.

[CapitalGreen]

The test will be when Hearts are in the league. That will cause a points swing.

Do Hearts only have the potential to take points off us? Are Aberdeen, Livi, Saints etc immune from dropping points against Hearts too?

[Fergus52]

Agreed.

There was a time when we would take the game to the Old Firm at home and had a good record against them. Mowbray, Collins, Stubbs and Lennon. We also knew we were beating Hearts at home under Stubbs and Lennon.

Our performances against the old firm last season were all fine.

We deserved at least two wins, ref cheated us out of it twice against rangers and also in the 2-2 game v Celtic where mcginns handball was never a pen.

Criticising Ross for derbys and big cup games is fair enough imo, but I can't understand anyone who thinks we were rubbish against the old firm last season.

[The Spaceman]

Honestly, who would people have in ahead of Jack Ross as our manager? 😂 “CaLlUm DaViDsOn”. Might be safer supporting Celtic or Manchester City.

[bingo70]

That's what's getting me - people terrified of Hearts because they've beaten us in the past. Right now we have much better players than them, a much better manager than them and much better momentum than them.

We might not beat them every time we meet them but we'll win more than we'll lose.

Didn’t help us the last two times we played them though.

I fear the derby games as I think they’ll be more up for them than us. Sorry, I know you’re not meant to admit thinking like that but I think they will be.

Hopefully I’m wrong and we blow them away like we should be capable of doing but I just have my doubts.

[Allez Hibs]

Didn’t help us the last two times we played them though.

I fear the derby games as I think they’ll be more up for them than us. Sorry, I know you’re not meant to admit thinking like that but I think they will be.

Hopefully I’m wrong and we blow them away like we should be capable of doing but I just have my doubts.

Yep, sensible realistic post.

[Caversham Green]

Didn’t help us the last two times we played them though.

I fear the derby games as I think they’ll be more up for them than us. Sorry, I know you’re not meant to admit thinking like that but I think they will be.

Hopefully I’m wrong and we blow them away like we should be capable of doing but I just have my doubts.

Serious question - what's replay Robbie's record against Hibs like?

I can only remember one draw (from 2-0 up with ten minutes to go) followed by a hefty defeat.

[Smartie]

Our performances against the old firm last season were all fine.

We deserved at least two wins, ref cheated us out of it twice against rangers and also in the 2-2 game v Celtic where mcginns handball was never a pen.

Criticising Ross for derbys and big cup games is fair enough imo, but I can't understand anyone who thinks we were rubbish against the old firm last season.

I didn’t think we were rubbish against Rangers or Celtic - over the piece we were actually pretty decent - but it’s a fact that at no point were we good enough to beat either of them.

Ross’ record of winning big games is his biggest weakness right now, but he’s done well enough over the piece to earn the chance to rectify that.

[Since90+2]

Didn’t help us the last two times we played them though.

I fear the derby games as I think they’ll be more up for them than us. Sorry, I know you’re not meant to admit thinking like that but I think they will be.

Hopefully I’m wrong and we blow them away like we should be capable of doing but I just have my doubts.

Then surely question needs to be asked why is that the case. Why would they be more up for it than us? Is that down to the manager? The players? Or does Hibs fans saying things like that (not just on here but in general) add to underlying feeling?

[Since452]

Plenty people on here said they’d happily be bottom 6 as long as we beat Hearts.

If rather lose to Hearts every time we play them if it ment Europe every season. They are irrelevant to me.

[hibbysam]

If rather lose to Hearts every time we play them if it ment Europe every season. They are irrelevant to me.

That’s it for me. Obviously not every time, but our proof is over the course of a season, not one off games against them.

[Since452]

Hibs - 63

Aberdeen - 56

St J - 45

Livi - 45

Thats 7 points (3 games) ahead of Aberdeen in 4th and a whopping 18 points (6 games) ahead of both St Js and Livi


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Some would say we "skooshed" 3rd. Including putting Aberdeen in their place at Pittodrie.

[Since452]

I didn’t think we were rubbish against Rangers or Celtic - over the piece we were actually pretty decent - but it’s a fact that at no point were we good enough to beat either of them.

Ross’ record of winning big games is his biggest weakness right now, but he’s done well enough over the piece to earn the chance to rectify that.

My Rangers mate (I know I know) said Hibs gave them their hardest games last season. He watches them more than me obviously but I thought we did well against them.

[Hibernian Verse]

Some would say we "skooshed" 3rd. Including putting Aberdeen in their place at Pittodrie.

There is no way we skooshed third with a tactically naive manager. It was sheer luck and don't let facts, stats & figures get in the way of a good old roasting of the manager please.

[calumhibee1]

Do Hearts only have the potential to take points off us? Are Aberdeen, Livi, Saints etc immune from dropping points against Hearts too?

History would probably suggest that Hearts take a lot more points off us than they should. We can be slightly above them in the league, miles above them in the league, similar to them or miles behind them but more often than not they come out on top over the season. I ’d imagine Hamilton rarely come out on top over the season against us. I think that’s why people think a trade of Hamilton for Hearts isn’t a good thing for us.

I’m not sure the others have the same sort of issues against Hearts, especially when they’re supposed to be better than them as we are.

[davhibby]

We were nowhere near as bad to watch last season as some made out, however I would say that there were quite a few games where we were flat and I think the lack of crowds played a big part in that.

The main thing for me though is that it was clear that JR went in to last season with the main aim of making us harder to beat and not leak as many goals as we had the season before, he managed that pretty well. This season I think he’ll be looking to build on that and improve our play in the midfield forward.

[WhileTheChief..]

Is this new tougher league only tougher for us?:confused:

Think it was only us and Rangers that Hearts beat in the league last time they were up?

Some folk seem to be getting a tad precious here.

To say that the league will be harder for us with Hearts in it than Hamilton seems fairly obvious to me. Pretty much everyone would usually agree on that when looking at a fixture list

It’s not a slight on Jack Ross.

[WhileTheChief..]

It’s just another game. But as we’ve heard from many on here they would happily be bottom 6 as long as we beat Hearts. And that’s just a crazy attitude to have.

Where? Who said that? When?

Nowhere, no-one, ever.

[JimBHibees]

I didn’t think we were rubbish against Rangers or Celtic - over the piece we were actually pretty decent - but it’s a fact that at no point were we good enough to beat either of them.

Ross’ record of winning big games is his biggest weakness right now, but he’s done well enough over the piece to earn the chance to rectify that.

We were good enough to beat Celtic but a catastrophic last minute error gifted them the equaliser.

[CapitalGreen]

Think it was only us and Rangers that Hearts beat in the league last time they were up?

Some folk seem to be getting a tad precious here.

To say that the league will be harder for us with Hearts in it than Hamilton seems fairly obvious to me. Pretty much everyone would usually agree on that when looking at a fixture list

It’s not a slight on Jack Ross.

Of course that’s likely to be true. It’s people ignoring that it will also be more difficult for the likes of Aberdeen, Saints and Livi too is what I’m taking issue with.

[WhileTheChief..]

That's what's getting me - people terrified of Hearts because they've beaten us in the past. Right now we have much better players than them, a much better manager than them and much better momentum than them.

We might not beat them every time we meet them but we'll win more than we'll lose.

This just makes it harder to take when they beat us!

When Romanov was in charge we blamed the defeats on them overspending. We constantly heard that things would be different when it was a level playing field.

Our record against them certainly improved under Lennon and Stubbs but they have been such a shambles during the Budge era that we really should have been wiping the floor with them consistently.

I’d love it if we started doing that this season with Jack Ross in charge. Who wouldn’t?!!

[IWasThere2016]

Jury's oot for me.. still perplexed by SC Final 'thinking'

Good luck to him though :flag:

[S4uzee]

Honestly, who would people have in ahead of Jack Ross as our manager? 😂 “CaLlUm DaViDsOn”. Might be safer supporting Celtic or Manchester City.

Why do people type like that these days? I see it a lot but don’t get it

[CapitalGreen]

This just makes it harder to take when they beat us!

When Romanov was in charge we blamed the defeats on them overspending. We constantly heard that things would be different when it was a level playing field.

Our record against them certainly improved under Lennon and Stubbs but they have been such a shambles during the Budge era that we really should have been wiping the floor with them consistently.

I’d love it if we started doing that this season with Jack Ross in charge. Who wouldn’t?!!

Jack Ross has the same win % against Hearts as Lennon did at 33%

[jacomo]

There is no way we skooshed third with a tactically naive manager. It was sheer luck and don't let facts, stats & figures get in the way of a good old roasting of the manager please.


Aberdeen did absolutely fall to pieces though. That is a salient fact.

[Hibernian Verse]

Why do people type like that these days? I see it a lot but don’t get it

It's to show sarcasm.

[Since452]

Jack Ross has the same win % against Hearts as Lennon did at 33%

Aye but but Lennon did an airplane

[CapitalGreen]

Why do people type like that these days? I see it a lot but don’t get it

https://mashable.com/article/capitalizing-first-letter-words-trend

[Hibernian Verse]

Aberdeen did absolutely fall to pieces though. That is a salient fact.

So we were better than Aberdeen and we finished above them. We could have fallen to pieces too, but we didn't. That is a salient fact.

[we are hibs]

Why do people type like that these days? I see it a lot but don’t get itTo try and fail to be funny.

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[WhileTheChief..]

Cool.

I’m a huge fan of Jack Ross. Delighted he’s staying longer with us and thought he was the right man for us from day one.

[CapitalGreen]

Aberdeen did absolutely fall to pieces though. That is a salient fact.

Yup and we didn’t. For all the love of Stubbs and Lennon’s times at the club, we had a habit of falling to pieces in league when it came to the crunch games at the end of the season.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Aye but but Lennon did an airplane


and a Damn fine one at that :cb

[WhileTheChief..]

Aye but but Lennon did an airplane

Oops, missed that!

Was I or somebody else meant to bite?:na na:

[jacomo]

So we were better than Aberdeen and we finished above them. We could have fallen to pieces too, but we didn't. That is a salient fact.


Indeed we were better than a s*** Aberdeen, no argument there.

[Rumble de Thump]

If the best we can do in slagging off our club and head coach is that we were better than our rivals then the club and head coach are probably doing ok.

[Crunchie]

New 2 year deal.
Delighted with that but would like to have seen 3.

[LancsHibs]

Do you really think it’s the cup final in isolation that people are upset about?

It’s the cup final combined with the semi final loss to St Johnstone, the semi final loss to Hearts and the league defeat at home to Hearts when we were battered at a time they were losing to everyone.

That combined with not the most entertaining brand of football I can understand why many aren’t doing cartwheels about this.

He finished third last season and he deserves credit for the team he built. Once the dust had settled from the cup final, nobody wanted him sacked and quite rightly so. That doesn’t mean everyone has taken to him again all of a sudden though.

I think he does have a lot to prove this season, you can scoff at that all you want but wait and see the reaction if we lose the first derby. If we win that derby he’ll also get plenty praise BTW. To me that’s pretty much the definition of having something to prove.

This 100%. Couldn’t have put it better

[Inconsequential]

and a Damn fine one at that :cb Well, it wasn't really that good tbh. He never left the ground... FACT. :agree:

[Nicho87]

Meh

[blackpoolhibs]

Are any of these folk who wanted him out, and predicted Livi and the sheep were going to finish easily above us happy about this news? :faf:

[B.H.F.C]

Meh

Same for me. Doesn’t excite me but understand why we’ve done it.

Hope I can start enjoying it a bit more when I’m back in the ground.

[Wilson]

Are any of these folk who wanted him out, and predicted Livi and the sheep were going to finish easily above us happy about this news? :faf:

I'm quite happy and said it was deserved further up.

I was quite keen that we competed for third and looked like we could. No surprise that I shot my bolt when we were struggling.

Ross achieved third and that achievement shouldn't be understated - we don't do it often enough. Every credit to him. I'm hoping for good things for hibs under Jack Ross. I reserve the right to chuck my toys out if the pram at a couple of defeats notice though!

[ahibby]

Are any of these folk who wanted him out, and predicted Livi and the sheep were going to finish easily above us happy about this news? :faf:

Did you intentiinally miss out those who predicted we would lose to St Johnston in the cup final?

[ahibby]

This 100%. Couldn’t have put it better

Some are happy to accept many dire home performances as long as we finish third. Some just cant forgive many dire home performances. Doesnt matter either way though because he must be the best we can do. Looking firward to those vastly imoroved home oerformances or purple face, whichever, haha.

[matty_f]

Brilliant bit of business, imho. He’s a very good manager and we’ll see that over the next couple of seasons.

[bigwheel]

Considering some of the garbage we have had managing our club , Jack Ross is a shining messiah…committed, thoughtful and good at his job …. Looking forward to further improvements next year and beyond

[blackpoolhibs]

I'm quite happy and said it was deserved further up.

I was quite keen that we competed for third and looked like we could. No surprise that I shot my bolt when we were struggling.

Ross achieved third and that achievement shouldn't be understated - we don't do it often enough. Every credit to him. I'm hoping for good things for hibs under Jack Ross. I reserve the right to chuck my toys out if the pram at a couple of defeats notice though!

That's the point, he's only one defeat away from hysterical abuse.


Did you intentiinally miss out those who predicted we would lose to St Johnston in the cup final?

A broken watch is right twice a day.

[The Modfather]

Are any of these folk who wanted him out, and predicted Livi and the sheep were going to finish easily above us happy about this news? :faf:

What are you looking for in constantly referencing a small number of posters who had an opinion at a point in time? An opinion that was proven to be incorrect. Oneupmanship? Folk to argue with?

I haven’t seen a single post where folk think this is bad news. The majority agree it’s good news. A small number, me included, are a bit “meh”, but that’s about it.

Ross has earned the right to continue to improve us, and depending on how far we go in Europe also some mitigation if it has an impact on our league campaign. He ticks nearly all boxes on paper, but the style last season isn’t one that I particularly enjoy. That’s my biggest stumbling block and why I haven’t taken to him in the same way as Mowbray. Despite Mowbrays many flaws.

[Nicho87]

Same for me. Doesn’t excite me but understand why we’ve done it.

Hope I can start enjoying it a bit more when I’m back in the ground.

I’m hoping the football just gets more attacking and exciting - I think Ross could be here for five years but he could be in danger of becoming a mcinnes and playing eye bleeding football for the driver of results.

I want to see the hibs way

[ahibby]

That's the point, he's only one defeat away from hysterical abuse.



A broken watch is right twice a day.

A watch doesn,t observe the majority if Hibs matches in a season so not a good comparison nor analogy.

[blackpoolhibs]

What are you looking for in constantly referencing a small number of posters who had an opinion at a point in time? An opinion that was proven to be incorrect. Oneupmanship? Folk to argue with?

I haven’t seen a single post where folk think this is bad news. The majority agree it’s good news. A small number, me included, are a bit “meh”, but that’s about it.

Ross has earned the right to continue to improve us, and depending on how far we go in Europe also some mitigation if it has an impact on our league campaign. He ticks nearly all boxes on paper, but the style last season isn’t one that I particularly enjoy. That’s my biggest stumbling block and why I haven’t taken to him in the same way as Mowbray. Despite Mowbrays many flaws.

This guy just cant win, there is an underlying view even on this thread that he will be given time, but you and everyone who's like you, just cant take to him, will be on his case whenever we lose our next match.

I'm of the opinion he'd be as well leaving now, he's not being given a proper chance. Any manager who'd done as well as he has should in my opinion be given 100% support from the support, he must feel like he's pissing into the wind.

[Peevemor]

I’m hoping the football just gets more attacking and exciting - I think Ross could be here for five years but he could be in danger of becoming a mcinnes and playing eye bleeding football for the driver of results.

I want to see the hibs wayTwo and a half strikers with 50 goals between them.

Top scorers in the league outwith the OF.

3rd in the league.

Cup semis & finals.

OK, I accept it might not be the much feted "Hibs way", but I'll take it to start with.

[bingo70]

This guy just cant win, there is an underlying view even on this thread that he will be given time, but you and everyone who's like you, just cant take to him, will be on his case whenever we lose our next match.

I'm of the opinion he'd be as well leaving now, he's not being given a proper chance. Any manager who'd done as well as he has should in my opinion be given 100% support from the support, he must feel like he's pissing into the wind.

There’s no denying he’s under pressure to win big game next season.

If he wants to manage at big clubs he needs to deal with that.

[ahibby]

I’m hoping the football just gets more attacking and exciting - I think Ross could be here for five years but he could be in danger of becoming a mcinnes and playing eye bleeding football for the driver of results.

I want to see the hibs way

Reminiscent of the old adagw ' if you want entertainment then go to the cinema'

[S4uzee]

This guy just cant win, there is an underlying view even on this thread that he will be given time, but you and everyone who's like you, just cant take to him, will be on his case whenever we lose our next match.

I'm of the opinion he'd be as well leaving now, he's not being given a proper chance. Any manager who'd done as well as he has should in my opinion be given 100% support from the support, he must feel like he's pissing into the wind.

Come on. How can anyone view the results and performances of the 3 major cup games last season as doing well. He couldn’t learn from playing St. Johnstone. 3 games in a row yes 3, we lost 1-0 to St.Johnstone barely creating a chance and before that losing 3-0

[ancient hibee]

Two and a half strikers with 50 goals between them.

Top scorers in the league outwith the OF.

3rd in the league.

Cup semis & finals.

OK, I accept it might not be the much feted "Hibs way", but I'll take it to start with.

Aye but it’s not the Hibs way which in my experience is sometimes playing attractive,exciting football but most of the time losing as many games as we win and festering around the middle of the table.Remember when Petrie used to get castigated because we were constantly around fifth or sixth.That was the Hibs way.

[ahibby]

Two and a half strikers with 50 goals between them.

Top scorers in the league outwith the OF.

3rd in the league.

Cup semis & finals.

OK, I accept it might not be the much feted "Hibs way", but I'll take it to start with.

I am only curious, did you watch every home game last season?

[cabbageandribs1875]

Well, it wasn't really that good tbh. He never left the ground... FACT. :agree:


it was only a kid-on plane tbf :( the copter was on the main stand roof copter pad if he was really wanting to take off

[The Modfather]

This guy just cant win, there is an underlying view even on this thread that he will be given time, but you and everyone who's like you, just cant take to him, will be on his case whenever we lose our next match.

I'm of the opinion he'd be as well leaving now, he's not being given a proper chance. Any manager who'd done as well as he has should in my opinion be given 100% support from the support, he must feel like he's pissing into the wind.

I’m not sure you’re particularly interested in any objective debate. In a post where I specifically called out he’s earned leeway for the upcoming season if we do well in in Europe. Your reply goes on to talk about him being as well leaving now.

I’m not sure your summary of those who are still to be fully won over is reflective of the vast majority of what’s posted on hibs.net. Best we just agree to disagree.

[Smartie]

I’m hoping the football just gets more attacking and exciting - I think Ross could be here for five years but he could be in danger of becoming a mcinnes and playing eye bleeding football for the driver of results.

I want to see the hibs way

I quite like watching a hard-fought, ground out victory when I'm there in person.

It's a much harder watch on tv.

Some of the away wins in particular last season would have been great to be at.

It hasn't been 1970 Brazil so far, but I'm willing to cut him a fair bit of slack on the "entertaining football" front. I think even Ross himself has acknowledged that he's needed to get us functional and picking up results before working on style.

For me, and I know folk will come on and defend his record, the main thing he has to improve is the big game record. We need to be doing better against Hearts and at Hampden. If he starts to do that then I'll be delighted, and tbh he can do that playing any sort of football he likes.

[Peevemor]

I am only curious, did you watch every home game last season?Very nearly. I think I missed the odd half here and there due to dodgy midweek kick off times.

[Inconsequential]

it was only a kid-on plane tbf :( the copter was on the main stand roof copter pad if he was really wanting to take off Oh, it was just a kid-on plane. Didn't realise that! Wasn't too bad then.... nah, it still wasn't very good.

Now, the Jack Ross doubters what exactly do you want? Third place was achieved the first time in many, many years and the club reached cup semis and finals. Is that not in reality all Hibs can achieve in Scottish football? Nah, Aberdeen's collapse enabled Hibs to finish third blah, blah, blah. Well, many times Aberdeen were third and Hibs collapsed to the Championship. Be grateful for where the club is now. GGTTH, PERSEVERE.

[lord bunberry]

Considering some of the garbage we have had managing our club , Jack Ross is a shining messiah…committed, thoughtful and good at his job …. Looking forward to further improvements next year and beyond
:top marksSome people need to be careful what they wish for. I’m convinced Jack Ross will bring silverware to Easter Road.

[hibsbollah]

Reminiscent of the old adagw ' if you want entertainment then go to the cinema'

It’s not really an adage. That would suggest lots of people used to say it. It was only Bobby Williamson, and he was an odd one. I think it was only memorable because it was weird.

[Just_Jimmy]

This guy just cant win, there is an underlying view even on this thread that he will be given time, but you and everyone who's like you, just cant take to him, will be on his case whenever we lose our next match.

I'm of the opinion he'd be as well leaving now, he's not being given a proper chance. Any manager who'd done as well as he has should in my opinion be given 100% support from the support, he must feel like he's pissing into the wind.not been given a proper chance? come on now... he was backed with money and signings significantly so when other clubs were struggling to survive during the pandemic and cutting costs. Hibernian fans back the club and therefore Ross in huge numbers. he was given every opportunity to succeed and he can't say he wasn't backed by anyone.

he finished third which I'm grateful for but he blew two winnable semi finals and probably the best chance we'll get at a Scottish cup in our lifetime. he brought with him a reputation as a manager who struggles in big games and so far that's still not been laid to rest.

I'm not pro or anti jack Ross. I'm happy with our league finish and I'm content that we've went for continuity in testing times. I wish him every success. I just don't believe it's fair to say he's not been backed.

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[B.H.F.C]

Oh, it was just a kid-on plane. Didn't realise that! Wasn't too bad then.... nah, it still wasn't very good.

Now, the Jack Ross doubters what exactly do you want? Third place was achieved the first time in many, many years and the club reached cup semis and finals. Is that not in reality all Hibs can achieve in Scottish football? Nah, Aberdeen's collapse enabled Hibs to finish third blah, blah, blah. Well, many times Aberdeen were third and Hibs collapsed to the Championship. Be grateful for where the club is now. GGTTH, PERSEVERE.

Shouldn’t bite but I will.

I want to enjoy watching us again. I didn’t last season and whilst acknowledging that was partly down to the circumstances and not being there, I just didn’t enjoy watching us a fair bit of the time.

I don’t think we finished third because Aberdeen collapsed (although them scoring 1 goal in 10 games or whatever it was undoubtedly helped). I think we finished third because we were the third best team in the league. Totally disagree that last season was all we can achieve, St Johnstone did a bloody cup double. We under achieved with the opportunities we passed up IMO.

I’m looking forward to watching Scott Allan again, I hope he can provide some of what I thought was missing. I hope we can add more goals from other areas in the team. Loads of talk about last season being the foundations, I hope it turns out that way and we kick on rather than it being the height of our achievements.

[blackpoolhibs]

not been given a proper chance? come on now... he was backed with money and signings significantly so when other clubs were struggling to survive during the pandemic and cutting costs. Hibernian fans back the club and therefore Ross in huge numbers. he was given every opportunity to succeed and he can't say he wasn't backed by anyone.

he finished third which I'm grateful for but he blew two winnable semi finals and probably the best chance we'll get at a Scottish cup in our lifetime. he brought with him a reputation as a manager who struggles in big games and so far that's still not been laid to rest.

I'm not pro or anti jack Ross. I'm happy with our league finish and I'm content that we've went for continuity in testing times. I wish him every success. I just don't believe it's fair to say he's not been backed.

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I mean backed by the fans, there have been a noisy band of folk who have never got behind him.

[Callum_62]

There’s no denying he’s under pressure to win big game next season.

If he wants to manage at big clubs he needs to deal with that.But he's won big games already

It seems to a constant stick to beat him with

Ofcourse we want to beat hearts next year as we do every year


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[Eyrie]

Good decision by Hibs.

[blackpoolhibs]

But he's won big games already

It seems to a constant stick to beat him with

Ofcourse we want to beat hearts next year as we do every year


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He has to win EVERY big game.

[Just_Jimmy]

I mean backed by the fans, there have been a noisy band of folk who have never got behind him.on a public message board. he's never had the crowd at a game. I'm not sure he'd lose any sleep over that.

he's been well backed by the majority. for the most part he's delivered.

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[Smartie]

But he's won big games already

It seems to a constant stick to beat him with

Ofcourse we want to beat hearts next year as we do every year


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He has won some but not nearly enough.

It's a fair criticism, especially when you take into consideration his time at Sunderland.

[bingo70]

But he's won big games already

It seems to a constant stick to beat him with

Ofcourse we want to beat hearts next year as we do every year


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Is this the bit where people pretend they don’t know what big games are?

I’m not saying he’s lost every one but his record in them is poor and if he wants to win over all the fans, that’s what he needs to improve IMO.

It’s interesting in this debate imo, the people who aren’t completely won over by him aren’t asking for him to be sacked, there’s nothing hysterical or any abuse going his way, just some people providing arguments why they’re not totally convinced. The people defending Ross are becoming very precious about any sort of criticism and almost exaggerating any criticism into some sort of hate campaign that doesn’t exist.

It’s not as black and white as Jack Ross good or Jack Ross bad. He’s done lots of good things but if he doesn’t sort the things he’s done bad so far, he won’t win over all the fans.

[MWHIBBIES]

Come on. How can anyone view the results and performances of the 3 major cup games last season as doing well. He couldn’t learn from playing St. Johnstone. 3 games in a row yes 3, we lost 1-0 to St.Johnstone barely creating a chance and before that losing 3-0

No manager looks very good if you ignore all the positive things

[Callum_62]

He has won some but not nearly enough.

It's a fair criticism, especially when you take into consideration his time at Sunderland.I wonder how he compares to the previous 3 mangers or so in terms of points against Aberdeen, hearts and the OF

I seen someone mentioned above that he has the same win percentage against hearts as Lennon


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[S4uzee]

No manager looks very good if you ignore all the positive things

That particular negative far outweighs any positive

[Danderhall Hibs]

Is this the bit where people pretend they don’t know what big games are?.

No it’s the bit where when big games won get listed then dismissed as not big games.

Hearts at tiny 0-2
Aberdeen at home 3-0 and 2-0
Aberdeen away to clinch 3rd 0-1
Dundee united cup semi 2-0

These games don’t get mentioned when the big game chat comes out.

I wish some of our fans would try and get behind the club, manager, team and support them rather than moaning at every possible opportunity.

[MWHIBBIES]

That particular negative far outweighs any positive

''far outweights'' it? Seriously?

It sucks we lost the cup final, it definitely does. It does not far outweight an excellent league season and European football. It does not far outweight keeping out best players and building a strong squad. Why do you ever bother being a Hibs fan if only cup wins will please you?



First full season in charge and 3rd place and a cup final isn't a good achievement? What planet are you actually on?

[MWHIBBIES]

No it’s the bit where when big games win get listed then dismissed as not big games.

Hearts at tiny 0-2
Aberdeen at home 3-0 and 2-0
Aberdeen away to clinch 3rd 0-1
Dundee united cup semi 2-0

These games get mentioned when the big game chat comes out.

I wish some of our fans would try and get behind the club, manager, team and support them rather than moaning at every possible opportunity.

Wow, cant be counting the semi final he won mate. Only the ones he lost were big games.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Wow, cant be counting the semi final he won mate. Only the ones he lost were big games.

I know - waiting on the “but Aberdeen were rubbish” comments also.

[bingo70]

No it’s the bit where when big games win get listed then dismissed as not big games.

Hearts at tiny 0-2
Aberdeen at home 3-0 and 2-0
Aberdeen away to clinch 3rd 0-1
Dundee united cup semi 2-0

These games get mentioned when the big game chat comes out.

I wish some of our fans would try and get behind the club, manager, team and support them rather than moaning at every possible opportunity.

So just everyone talking about how brilliant and perfect Hibs are all the time?

You and Peevemor can start a group chat for that if that’s what you want to do, I’ll continue giving my opinion as I see things.

As for the big games you’ve listed, you’ll see that people aren’t saying we’ve lost all of them, but he needs to do better in them.

If you want to ignore that then fine but we both know if he doesn’t improve on that record then he won’t win over all of the fans.

[Northernhibee]

No it’s the bit where when big games won get listed then dismissed as not big games.

Hearts at tiny 0-2
Aberdeen at home 3-0 and 2-0
Aberdeen away to clinch 3rd 0-1
Dundee united cup semi 2-0

These games get mentioned when the big game chat comes out.

I wish some of our fans would try and get behind the club, manager, team and support them rather than moaning at every possible opportunity.

We need a like or deafening applause button.

[S4uzee]

''far outweights'' it? Seriously?

It sucks we lost the cup final, it definitely does. It does not far outweight an excellent league season and European football. It does not far outweight keeping out best players and building a strong squad. Why do you ever bother being a Hibs fan if only cup wins will please you?



First full season in charge and 3rd place and a cup final isn't a good achievement? What planet are you actually on?

No cup final is a good achievement if you lose and put in that type of performance and can’t even get a reaction after half time. I assume you’re the type of supporter who sees Hampden as a “at least we got there” even if we get beat

[B.H.F.C]

So just everyone talking about how brilliant and perfect Hibs are all the time?

You and Peevemor can start a group chat for that if that’s what you want to do, I’ll continue giving my opinion as I see things.

As for the big games you’ve listed, you’ll see that people aren’t saying we’ve lost all of them, but he needs to do better in them.

If you want to ignore that then fine but we both know if he doesn’t improve on that record then he won’t win over all of the fans.

I think, generally, he gets praise when merited. Two Aberdeen wins this year he got plenty praise.

Hampden record is crap. One win in four having not played the Old Firm isn’t good with what was up for grabs.

Yet to beat either of the Old Firm.

Only played Hearts three times but the two defeats were dismal. Improve that record this year folk will be much happier.

50/50 record with Aberdeen is fair enough and a step in the right direction against them since the turn of the year.

I know there’ll be loads of folk talking about all the other big games he won but in all my time supporting Hibs they’ve always been the biggest ones. In my mind at least. Certainly don’t expect us to win them all. Think we should win more often though.

[MWHIBBIES]

No cup final is a good achievement if you lose and put in that type of performance and can’t even get a reaction after half time. I assume you’re the type of supporter who sees Hampden as a “at least we got there” even if we get beat

No, I'm one of those lunatics, absolute ****ing NUTTERS who accepts that 3rd place, a cup final, and a cup semi in a managers first full season is very good.

[eastterrace]

He has to win EVERY big game. I just can’t see him succeeding as he would need to get 3rd again and get to and win a final to improve from last year. A few early defeats and lose to hearts then the pitchforks will be out.

[Smartie]

No it’s the bit where when big games won get listed then dismissed as not big games.

Hearts at tiny 0-2
Aberdeen at home 3-0 and 2-0
Aberdeen away to clinch 3rd 0-1
Dundee united cup semi 2-0

These games get mentioned when the big game chat comes out.

I wish some of our fans would try and get behind the club, manager, team and support them rather than moaning at every possible opportunity.

All of which he should be given credit for.

His track record of not slipping up on banana skins, meaning he actually reaches the big games later on in tournaments isn't something to be sniffed at either. I've watched Hibs lose to enough utter mince over the years to learn to appreciate a hard won cup tie at Alloa.

But do you REALLY think his record in the big games is good enough? 1 win at Hampden last season out of 4 games against Livi, United and St Johnstone twice? Credit to him for the Hearts win - but the 2 we lost have been against a couple of the pishest Hearts sides in living memory. Does he not deserve to take a bit of criticism for those?

We played well at times against the OF but we didn't ever do enough to win.

It's not unreasonable to point out that he needs to do a bit better in these games imo. I'm pretty sure he'll be desperate to do better in these games himself, as good a reason as any why I'm delighted he's got the extended deal.

[bingo70]

I think, generally, he gets praise when merited. Two Aberdeen wins this year he got plenty praise.

Hampden record is crap. One win in four having not played the Old Firm isn’t good with what was up for grabs.

Yet to beat either of the Old Firm.

Only played Hearts three times but the two defeats were dismal. Improve that record this year folk will be much happier.

50/50 record with Aberdeen is fair enough and a step in the right direction against them since the turn of the year.

I know there’ll be loads of folk talking about all the other big games he won but in all my time supporting Hibs they’ve always been the biggest ones. In my mind at least. Certainly don’t expect us to win them all. Think we should win more often though.

Thank you.

Absolutely spot on and again, a fairly balanced and measured argument in the discussion.

[WhileTheChief..]

I wish some of our fans would try and get behind the club, manager, team and support them rather than moaning at every possible opportunity.

The overwhelming majority do.

There’s hardy been any moaning at all about JR on this board for ages but it’s being made out by some that we’re all against him.

It’s a total over exaggeration.

A handful of posts on Twitter and folk are getting all worked up? Why not just shrug your shoulders and brush it off as dafties posting nonsense?!

[Danderhall Hibs]

All of which he should be given credit for.

His track record of not slipping up on banana skins, meaning he actually reaches the big games later on in tournaments isn't something to be sniffed at either. I've watched Hibs lose to enough utter mince over the years to learn to appreciate a hard won cup tie at Alloa.

But do you REALLY think his record in the big games is good enough? 1 win at Hampden last season out of 4 games against Livi, United and St Johnstone twice? Credit to him for the Hearts win - but the 2 we lost have been against a couple of the pishest Hearts sides in living memory. Does he not deserve to take a bit of criticism for those?

We played well at times against the OF but we didn't ever do enough to win.

It's not unreasonable to point out that he needs to do a bit better in these games imo. I'm pretty sure he'll be desperate to do better in these games himself, as good a reason as any why I'm delighted he's got the extended deal.

I’d like him to win more/all as well. Doesn’t happen though.

I’m realistic enough to not expect or demand that we beat Rangers and Celtic more than once in a season. I’m not sure why anyone would expect to beat them every/the majority of the time.

It’s the blatant disregard for the big games won that I don’t get.

[Danderhall Hibs]

The overwhelming majority do.

There’s hardy been any moaning at all about JR on this board for ages but it’s being made out by some that we’re all against him.

It’s a total over exaggeration.

A handful of posts on Twitter and folk are getting all worked up? Why not just shrug your shoulders and brush it off as dafties posting nonsense?!

I wish I could. Generally have a low tolerance for idiocy though.

[Peevemor]

The overwhelming majority do.

There’s hardy been any moaning at all about JR on this board for ages but it’s being made out by some that we’re all against him.

It’s a total over exaggeration.

A handful of posts on Twitter and folk are getting all worked up? Why not just shrug your shoulders and brush it off as dafties posting nonsense?!Because it's the close season.

As someone else said, he's always only one game away from being slaughtered by the usual suspects.

People need to step back and look at the bigger picture.

[S4uzee]

No, I'm one of those lunatics, absolute ****ing NUTTERS who accepts that 3rd place, a cup final, and a cup semi in a managers first full season is very good.

We got beat from St.Johnstone twice … if you class that as very good then fair enough

[MWHIBBIES]

We got beat from St.Johnstone twice … if you class that as very good then fair enough

We lost the playoffs to Falkirk in 2016. And a cup final to Ross County. Do you ignore all the positives from that season too?

I don't ignore all the good things because of the bad. He clearly had a very good first full season. One of the best in recent memory from a Hibs manager.

[bingo70]

I’d like him to win more/all as well. Doesn’t happen though.

I’m realistic enough to not expect or demand that we beat Rangers and Celtic more than once in a season. I’m not sure why anyone would expect to beat them every/the majority of the time.

It’s the blatant disregard for the big games won that I don’t get.

He got loads of praise for winning those games?

If you also think beating Aberdeen and Dundee Utd carries the same weighting as beating Hearts then you’re deliberately missing the point.

Aberdeen games were big games, he did well to win them and he deserves the credit for that. It’s not the same as beating a hearts or the old firm though, you, and everybody knows that. Even if the Aberdeen games were very important in terms of finishing 3rd.

Dundee United were absolutely ***** last season, again though, he deserves credit for getting the win, also again though, it’s not the same and won’t be remembered the same way as beating Hearts or the old firm and as such won’t be remembered the same way.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Because it's the close season.

As someone else said, he's always only one game away from being slaughtered by the usual suspects.

People need to step back and look at the bigger picture.

One contract extension and it’s all dragged back up. Imagine when we lose a game - it’ll be horrendous. Some are desperate to hound him out.

[WhileTheChief..]

I wish I could. Generally have a low tolerance for idiocy though.

Ooft, you should stay off here, let alone Twitter :greengrin :wink:

[Danderhall Hibs]

He got loads of praise for winning those games?

If you also think beating Aberdeen and Dundee Utd carries the same weighting as beating Hearts then you’re deliberately missing the point.

Aberdeen games were big games, he did well to win them and he deserves the credit for that. It’s not the same as beating a hearts or the old firm though, you, and everybody knows that. Even if the Aberdeen games were very important in terms of finishing 3rd.

Dundee United were absolutely ***** last season, again though, he deserves credit for getting the win, also again though, it’s not the same and won’t be remembered the same way as beating Hearts or the old firm and as such won’t be remembered the same way.

Hearts are ***** aren’t they? What handicap is applied for that? Need to think that through just in case we beat them in September.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Ooft, you should stay off here, let alone Twitter :greengrin :wink:

:hilarious I’m nowhere near Twitter - that’s where the unmoderated madness happens. I can only imagine how mental it is.

[wookie70]

I think Ross has done enough to get the extension. There are definitely signs of something being built. While the football is a bit more pragmatic and dull it feels a bit like the Stubbs era. Player signings are making sense and are looking more hit than miss and we appear to have some organisation to our play. He is professional and looks like he has the player group fully behind him.

No doubt we have underperformed in big games imo. Not them all but too many. I would say level par for the three semi finals, given the opponents, would have been two final appearances and level par for those would have been one bit of silverware. I am talking about the opponents in those games not the occasions of finals etc as nine times out of ten we would have to have played the Uglies.

I dearly hope he was building a base last year and a few key signings will give us a bit more spark. I'm not really looking forward to a team that plays best on the break although that can be very exciting. A third place finish and getting to the stage of the cups we should get to, based on the opposition we face, will be another good season. If we get such fantastic draws in the cups I really think we should win one but unlikely we will be so lucky again for a very long time.

I hope the crowds will make the fitba more entertaining as it was pretty dull last year and that wasn't all down to the players and management.

[bingo70]

One contract extension and it’s all dragged back up. Imagine when we lose a game - it’ll be horrendous. Some are desperate to hound him out.

Nothings been dragged back up. Nothing has been horrendous and nobody is hounding him out. You’re being dramatic because it suits your side of the argument to make it sound like we’re hysterically abusing him or something.

There’s just been some fairly moderate discussion about the job he did last season but people such as yourself seem unwilling to have a reasonable discussion looking at both sides.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Nothings been dragged back up. Nothing has been horrendous and nobody is hounding him out. You’re being dramatic because it suits your side of the argument to make it sound like we’re hysterically abusing him or something.

There’s just been some fairly moderate discussion about the job he did last season but people such as yourself seem unwilling to have a reasonable discussion looking at both sides.

Aye that’s right. As Blackpool says he’s one game away from being hounded again - supporters sitting waiting with the knives. Terrible.

[bingo70]

Aye that’s right. As Blackpool says he’s one game away from being hounded again - supporters sitting waiting with the knives. Terrible.

FWIW I think he’s one derby loss away from the knives being out. If he doesn’t want that to happen he needs to make sure we win the next derby.

Lose to Motherwell on the opening day of the season then the knives won’t be out, hysterical nonsense to suggest that’s the case.