Jack Ross

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Fourth highest win percentage of all time. (Managing 10 + games)

Games Won Win Rate

Jock Stein 50 31 62.00%
Alan Stubbs 100 59 59.00%
John Halligan 11 6 54.55%
Jack Ross 83 44 53.01%

Wonder what the big game win rate comparison is. 🤔

[CallumLaidlaw]

Wonder what the big game win rate comparison is. [emoji848]

Depends what you class as a big game. Individual opinions on that tend to change depending on folks agenda.


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[Ringothedog]

Wonder what the big game win rate comparison is. 🤔

Every Hibs manager in history-100%
Jack Ross- 0%
I thought it would be obvious

[007]

Every Hibs manager in history-100%
Jack Ross- 0%
I thought it would be obvious

😂

[Since452]

I think Ross and Hibs are a very good fit. I can see him being at the club for a good period of time and i think Ron Gordon will be keen to make sure that happens. If we were to finish 3rd this season again (which is a strong possibility) it would be the first time in my lifetime that has happened. Would also be a potential game changer with European group stage football. If he achieves that then surely he is right up there in terms of Hibs managers. His toughest task will be when we inevitably sell players on.

[Allez Hibs]

Depends what you class as a big game. Individual opinions on that tend to change depending on folks agenda.


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I'd say they are games against Rangers, Celtic, Hearts, Aberdeen, all semi finals and finals.

[Allez Hibs]

I think Ross and Hibs are a very good fit. I can see him being at the club for a good period of time and i think Ron Gordon will be keen to make sure that happens. If we were to finish 3rd this season again (which is a strong possibility) it would be the first time in my lifetime that has happened. Would also be a potential game changer with European group stage football. If he achieves that then surely he is right up there in terms of Hibs managers. His toughest task will be when we inevitably sell players on.

No reason why we can't finish 3rd again. Would be great to have another crack at trying to get into a group stage which would be a game changer.

[Hibernian Verse]

No reason why we can't finish 3rd again. Would be great to have another crack at trying to get into a group stage which would be a game changer.

If we finish 3rd and one of the top 3 win the Scottish Cup then we'd go straight in to the Europa Conference Groups if we lost the playoff round of the Europa.

[Allez Hibs]

If we finish 3rd and one of the top 3 win the Scottish Cup then we'd go straight in to the Europa Conference Groups if we lost the playoff round of the Europa.

What an incentive for the club.

[Alfred E Newman]

He gets my 100% backing.
However I didn’t like his tactic second half. He brought on Gogic and played one up top to hit them on the break.
Risky strategy that almost worked but it meant giving up a lot of possession
in the midfield area and invite waves of attack.
I’d prefer us to be on the front foot, attacking them, controlling the game.

Make up your mind. You didn't like the change at half time yet you agree it almost paid off. In fact, if it hadn't been for Craig Gordon it probably would have. Going by the first half we were never going to control the game.

[FilipinoHibs]

I think he has to go. Only 2nd with a chance of going top on Saturday. Stopping the Gorgie thieves.

[Andy74]

He gets my 100% backing.
However I didn’t like his tactic second half. He brought on Gogic and played one up top to hit them on the break.
Risky strategy that almost worked but it meant giving up a lot of possession
in the midfield area and invite waves of attack.
I’d prefer us to be on the front foot, attacking them, controlling the game.

He didn’t really change the shape at half time. He swapped Magennis for Scott with Gogic moving in to where Magennis had been playing. Getting Magennis further forward was a positive.

We changed shape for the last 20 to 25 to a 442.

[calumhibee1]

He didn’t really change the shape at half time. He swapped Magennis for Scott with Gogic moving in to where Magennis had been playing. Getting Magennis further forward was a positive.

We changed shape for the last 20 to 25 to a 442.

Yeah I thought the half time change helped us as well. I’m not a huge fan of Gogic at all but Magennis being behind the forward especially was a big improvement on the first half.

[Danderhall Hibs]

I'd say they are games against Rangers, Celtic, Hearts, Aberdeen, all semi finals and finals.

So the Dundee United game next week isn’t big?

Also think having expectations of beating Rangers and Celtic regularly are unfair and put a negative slant on the stats - have we ever beaten them regularly (even in the days when budgets were more comparable)?

[One Day Soon]

That could be me you’re talking about and if so, fair enough, I’ll take it on the chin.

With jack Ross last season I was up and down a lot with him and it wouldn’t take much for me to get on his back again.

I do think it’s different this season, well it is for me anyway. I think the football was so crap last year I just hated watching Hibs. I thought we were murder. We obviously kept getting good results though so I continually had to hold my hands up.

This season though I feel he’s got much more credit in the bank for when we have an inevitable bad result as I’m enjoying watching us play. I think we’re playing a really entertaining brand of football now and I just don’t think we were last season, despite what some stats say.

I had arguments with people last season as for me, it’s not just about results, I want to be entertained and get good results. I know lots of people don’t care about that and would be happy with winning 1-0 every week regardless of how we played. That’s fine but it’s not what I’m after.

I think as a manager he’ll continue to win over the doubters if we keep on playing how we have been this season.


I agree with this.

I had two criticisms last season - style of play and mentality/performance/outcomes in the bigger games. The style of play looks to be much improved, lets see how that goes. How he does/we do in the big games remains to be seen.

I'd expect the steam and squad to keep improving between now and January and then further improvements in that window. We should be threatening in the cups and if we do lose in finals, semis etc the one thing I don't want to see is performances like those against Hearts and St Johnstone in the cups last year and the infuriating 'fine margins' chat that went with it.

And if there's another episode where he says he needs to add eg a middle to forward player in his squad it would be helpful if the club would deliver it.

[MikeyS]

I'd say they are games against Rangers, Celtic, Hearts, Aberdeen, all semi finals and finals.

So next week's game that you called big earlier is no longer a big game?🤷🏻*♂️ you don't half tie yourself in knots on here over Jack Ross.

Like Andy said earlier, it's probably easier for all if you just stick to not liking him.

[Allez Hibs]

We should be threatening in the cups and if we do lose in finals, semis etc the one thing I don't want to see is performances like those against Hearts and St Johnstone in the cups last year and the infuriating 'fine margins' chat that went with it.

Couldn't agree more.

[Allez Hibs]

So next week's game that you called big earlier is no longer a big game?🤷🏻*♂️ you don't half tie yourself in knots on here over Jack Ross.

Like Andy said earlier, it's probably easier for all if you just stick to not liking him.

Think I said it's important to get back to Hampden and see what happens from there.

Think it would be easier for everyone if the fans that are 100% behind Jack Ross didn't get themselves in a pickle and all worked up about fans who they think might have a different opinion to them.

[J-C]

Can't deny Ross's record last season and so far this season, I wasn't overly enamoured by the style of football we played last season but I suppose it was necessary until he got in the players he wanted, possibly having no fans either didn't help.

I've liked the way he's went about his business looking for players with speed, legs, talent etc, and the performances have been pretty decent so far, I also think Ross looks more relaxed and happier than last season.

[Since452]

So next week's game that you called big earlier is no longer a big game?🤷🏻*♂️ you don't half tie yourself in knots on here over Jack Ross.

Like Andy said earlier, it's probably easier for all if you just stick to not liking him.

It will only be a big game if we don't win it

[Stuart93]

Was happy with our league finish last season. Done well in cups until a point too. Thought we could’ve & should’ve played a lot better in the semi of league cup/final of Scottish cup. Performances weren’t even notable. I wasn’t overly impressed with our style of play or could really take to JR.

There’s been a massive difference at the start of the season particularly the way we’re playing. Not sure if actually being at the game makes it better than watching it on tele? Who knows but I’ve definitely taken to the team and JR a lot more so far and think the signing of JDH, Magennis finding form and keeping our big players have all helped. Looking forward to seeing how things pan out

[calumhibee1]

Was happy with our league finish last season. Done well in cups until a point too. Thought we could’ve & should’ve played a lot better in the semi of league cup/final of Scottish cup. Performances weren’t even notable. I wasn’t overly impressed with our style of play or could really take to JR.

There’s been a massive difference at the start of the season particularly the way we’re playing. Not sure if actually being at the game makes it better than watching it on tele? Who knows but I’ve definitely taken to the team and JR a lot more so far and think the signing of JDH, Magennis finding form and keeping our big players have all helped. Looking forward to seeing how things pan out

I think we just are playing a better brand of football.

A lot was made of the fact folk said they didn’t enjoy watching us last season and people reckoned it would be because we weren’t there. We have been much better to watch on the TV this season though and we’re scoring more goals. I reckon it has been as simple as our style of play is better this season really, helped massively by Gogic and Irvine being replaced by JDH and a performing Magennis.

[RyeSloan]

Yeah I thought the half time change helped us as well. I’m not a huge fan of Gogic at all but Magennis being behind the forward especially was a big improvement on the first half.

Not sure it did what he expected it to at first. For a good 25 mins we were too deep.

I think it was when Porto went down for treatment the TV showed Ross calling over a few players and going tonto at them on the touch line.

After that we were much better and were probably finally doing what he asked them to do a HT.

Anyway on the wider point I never really got the Ross criticism on here previously and think anyone still having doubts would be rather misguided.

[Since452]

Not sure it did what he expected it to at first. For a good 25 mins we were too deep.

I think it was when Porto went down for treatment the TV showed Ross calling over a few players and going tonto at them on the touch line.

After that we were much better and were probably finally doing what he asked them to do a HT.

Anyway on the wider point I never really got the Ross criticism on here previously and think anyone still having doubts would be rather misguided.

That was encouraging to see to be honest. I'm in no way wanting the Lennon style antics but it was good to see him going a bit radge. There is no doubt Ross can kick a few ***** if needed.

[Allez Hibs]

That was encouraging to see to be honest. I'm in no way wanting the Lennon style antics but it was good to see him going a bit radge. There is no doubt Ross can kick a few ***** if needed.

Yep, very good to see.

[MWHIBBIES]

Have to say, I'm not sure I see such a drastic change in style as everyone else. Maybe a little bit more fluid, but we played some excellent football last season. I never understood all the moaning about our style.

Ross is doing a very good job

[CallumLaidlaw]

Have to say, I'm not sure I see such a drastic change in style as everyone else. Maybe a little bit more fluid, but we played some excellent football last season. I never understood all the moaning about our style.

Ross is doing a very good job

I think the shift from 3-5-2 to 4-2-3-1 has made us more expansive. Having JDH and a fit Magennis definitely helps that.


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[Peevemor]

Have to say, I'm not sure I see such a drastic change in style as everyone else. Maybe a little bit more fluid, but we played some excellent football last season. I never understood all the moaning about our style.

Ross is doing a very good job

JDH & Magennis are the difference IMO, not any big change in JR's tactics.

[PatHead]

I'd say they are games against Rangers, Celtic, Hearts, Aberdeen, all semi finals and finals.

Not Aberdeen because we have beaten them.😁

[Allez Hibs]

Not Aberdeen because we have beaten them.😁

We haven't even played them this season?

[Kato]

Have to say, I'm not sure I see such a drastic change in style as everyone else. Maybe a little bit more fluid, but we played some excellent football last season. I never understood all the moaning about our style.

Ross is doing a very good jobSame here, it wasnt exactly Bertie Auld "take no chances" stuff.

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[Smartie]

JDH & Magennis are the difference IMO, not any big change in JR's tactics.

Yep, I agree with this.

The midfield has been a bit of an issue since that summer when we lost McGinn, McGeouch and Allan. We've had various shades of partial fix since then but it's never been quite right.

Bringing in JDH and Magennis getting fully fit and taking to his new role like a duck to water has meant that Ross has effectively "fixed" the midfield problem. It's a hugely important part of the team and it's working better than it has in a long time.

Given we're adding that to a goalkeeper who looks the part, a defence that is looking as tight as it did last season, the threat out wide from Boyle and Murphy looking quite potent when they play and a striker in Nisbet looking like he's kicking on a level and it's no surprise that we look like we're playing better football.

When we played poorly last season - like in the cup final - it was normally the case that we were toiling in midfield. Struggling to take the ball off the defence, struggling to create anything for the strikers - we've not had a performance like that this season, even when we've had to play without a first pick in either Newell or JDH.

I'm delighted Ross is answering his critics, of whom I once was. There's nothing indecisive or flip-floppy about giving him praise when it appears he's doing things right and giving him criticism when it appears he's not. I didn't have much of a problem with the football last season, especially given it was a weird season with no fans and we were generally picking up results. I've never had a problem with anything he's said to the media and quite like his calm, studied approach, which I've always preferred to windmilling arms, hairdryer treatment and tantrums.

His team turned up on Saturday and it is a tick in the positive column but he needs to build on that with more good results in big games.

Ross, for me, is clearly an excellent manager (if not yet the finished article, which almost no manager is) and my criticism is now aimed more at the recruitment side. They have to perform in January, in order to make sure that our excellent manager has everything he needs to succeed at Hibs. One of the reasons we are in such a good position is because they have performed so well in recent seasons, they now need to continue to build on that.

My frustrations come from us being as close as we are to being a really, really good side but it is tempered with a bit of caution about how thin the squad is. We're close to being a cracking side (our first XI with everyone fit probably is one) but we're only a key injury or two away from being a very average one. A bit of good luck and we should have a great season, much more bad luck and we could end up underachieving, which would be a great shame from here.

[matty_f]

Can't deny Ross's record last season and so far this season, I wasn't overly enamoured by the style of football we played last season but I suppose it was necessary until he got in the players he wanted, possibly having no fans either didn't help.

I've liked the way he's went about his business looking for players with speed, legs, talent etc, and the performances have been pretty decent so far, I also think Ross looks more relaxed and happier than last season.
I don’t think we’ve had a manager that tried to sign a player without legs, to be honest.

[Ringothedog]

I don’t think we’ve had a manager that tried to sign a player without legs, to be honest.

We’ve had plenty that have had no talent though

[J-C]

I don’t think we’ve had a manager that tried to sign a player without legs, to be honest.


I think you know what I mean, energy. We seemed to be slow and ponderous at times but with Magennis having a good pre season and the signing of JDH, we seem to be on the front foot even more, even Newell seems to be more attack minded. I also think the change to a 4231/433 has made us more expansive and the players seem to be enjoying it, unfortunately our depth in the squad is poor in the midfield and as we seen on sunday, it didn't function as well as it should, he even tried playing Scott in the AM role Magennis has been playing. Losing Hallberg was a blow to our squad depth and Allan seems to be miles out the picture, I'd like to see young Campbell get a few minutes on the pitch and we seen by us going for McGrath Ross feels that area is needing strengthened.

All in all I'm happy with the direction Ross is taking us and I can see us being busy in January with possibly Gocic, Allan and Wright being replaced, plus we have Mueller coming in, it's the most excited I've been about Hibs a while.

[blackpoolhibs]

JDH & Magennis are the difference IMO, not any big change in JR's tactics.

To be fair, he's obviously seen the players we did have for those midfield places, and brought both of them in to improve us there. Any tactic we employ are really only as good as the players you have, and Ross has improved us all over the park since the day he arrived.

[Peevemor]

To be fair, he's obviously seen the players we did have for those midfield places, and brought both of them in to improve us there. Any tactic we employ are really only as good as the players you have, and Ross has improved us all over the park since the day he arrived.You won't get any argument from me on that front. The problem now is that it's more & more difficult to improve the squad within our budget, especially if we keep hanging on to our better players. We'll still have the odd bad result (all teams do) and any progress will be gradual.

We'll have to show a bit of patience yet, but even as it stands we have Mueller & the return of Doidge to look forward to.

[matty_f]

I think you know what I mean, energy. We seemed to be slow and ponderous at times but with Magennis having a good pre season and the signing of JDH, we seem to be on the front foot even more, even Newell seems to be more attack minded. I also think the change to a 4231/433 has made us more expansive and the players seem to be enjoying it, unfortunately our depth in the squad is poor in the midfield and as we seen on sunday, it didn't function as well as it should, he even tried playing Scott in the AM role Magennis has been playing. Losing Hallberg was a blow to our squad depth and Allan seems to be miles out the picture, I'd like to see young Campbell get a few minutes on the pitch and we seen by us going for McGrath Ross feels that area is needing strengthened.

All in all I'm happy with the direction Ross is taking us and I can see us being busy in January with possibly Gocic, Allan and Wright being replaced, plus we have Mueller coming in, it's the most excited I've been about Hibs a while.

It was just a joke, should probably have stuck a smilie on to make it obvious that i wasn’t serious :aok:

[jacomo]

I don’t think we’ve had a manager that tried to sign a player without legs, to be honest.


Seriously?

Sectarianism is bad enough. There should be no place for leg discrimination in 21st century Scotland.

[blackpoolhibs]

You won't get any argument from me on that front. The problem now is that it's more & more difficult to improve the squad within our budget, especially if we keep hanging on to our better players. We'll still have the odd bad result (all teams do) and any progress will be gradual.

We'll have to show a bit of patience yet, but even as it stands we have Mueller & the return of Doidge to look forward to.

We will get beat this season, and we will probably lose a game against ross county or livi, but we will win a lot more games and be challenging again for Europe. Where i will slightly disagree is it being more difficult again to improve us on our budget.

I feel we will sell one or two players next summer, but i do think we will be then trading in a better bargain bucket than normal, and the standard of player we will be bringing in will be higher with less risk or gamble.

And remember next seasons 3rd place team is guaranteed Europe until xmas.

Of course every signing is a gamble, but you know what i mean. :greengrin

[J-C]

It was just a joke, should probably have stuck a smilie on to make it obvious that i wasn’t serious :aok:

Whooshed me there 😁👍

[Since452]

Another "big game" win to add to his list of big game wins.

[Peevemor]

Another "big game" win to add to his list of big game wins.

And the 4th semi-final appearance in a row under his management.

[bingo70]

Another "big game" win to add to his list of big game wins.

I’ve already admitted my position on Ross and I’ve really come round to him but posts like this really annoy me. It’s deliberately missing the point you know people on the other side of the argument are making.

Last night was a big game and a great game to win, as Peevemor has just said he should rightly get credit for yet another semi final appearance. Last year we got fortunate with the cup draws IMO but last night was a tough away fixture we did very well to get through.

That said, when people are talking about the lack of big game success, first of all, nobody is saying we lose every one of them. Secondly, it’s pretty clear people are referring to game at Hampden to get us to a final or win silverware, games against the hearts, old firm or important league fixtures against our closest rivals.

Not all ‘big games’ have the same weighting. If he’s going to win over everybody, he’s going to have to win more games like I mentioned above….. games like last night will certainly help though.

[CallumLaidlaw]

I’ve already admitted my position on Ross and I’ve really come round to him but posts like this really annoy me. It’s deliberately missing the point you know people on the other side of the argument are making.

Last night was a big game and a great game to win, as Peevemor has just said he should rightly get credit for yet another semi final appearance. Last year we got fortunate with the cup draws IMO but last night was a tough away fixture we did very well to get through.

That said, when people are talking about the lack of big game success, first of all, nobody is saying we lose every one of them. Secondly, it’s pretty clear people are referring to game at Hampden to get us to a final or win silverware, games against the hearts, old firm or important league fixtures against our closest rivals.

Not all ‘big games’ have the same weighting. If he’s going to win over everybody, he’s going to have to win more games like I mentioned above….. games like last night will certainly help though.

So just the big games that people want to use in their agenda then?

Last night was a bigger game than the Hearts game last week.


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[Danderhall Hibs]

I’ve already admitted my position on Ross and I’ve really come round to him but posts like this really annoy me. It’s deliberately missing the point you know people on the other side of the argument are making.

Last night was a big game and a great game to win, as Peevemor has just said he should rightly get credit for yet another semi final appearance. Last year we got fortunate with the cup draws IMO but last night was a tough away fixture we did very well to get through.

That said, when people are talking about the lack of big game success, first of all, nobody is saying we lose every one of them. Secondly, it’s pretty clear people are referring to game at Hampden to get us to a final or win silverware, games against the hearts, old firm or important league fixtures against our closest rivals.

Not all ‘big games’ have the same weighting. If he’s going to win over everybody, he’s going to have to win more games like I mentioned above….. games like last night will certainly help though.

Sounds like the folk you’re talking about are tying themselves up in knots to be honest.

[flash]

I’ve already admitted my position on Ross and I’ve really come round to him but posts like this really annoy me. It’s deliberately missing the point you know people on the other side of the argument are making.

Last night was a big game and a great game to win, as Peevemor has just said he should rightly get credit for yet another semi final appearance. Last year we got fortunate with the cup draws IMO but last night was a tough away fixture we did very well to get through.

That said, when people are talking about the lack of big game success, first of all, nobody is saying we lose every one of them. Secondly, it’s pretty clear people are referring to game at Hampden to get us to a final or win silverware, games against the hearts, old firm or important league fixtures against our closest rivals.

Not all ‘big games’ have the same weighting. If he’s going to win over everybody, he’s going to have to win more games like I mentioned above….. games like last night will certainly help though.

Big game weighting. Come on Bingo.

[bingo70]

So just the big games that people want to use in their agenda then?

Last night was a bigger game than the Hearts game last week.


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No and you know fine well the difference between beating Dundee Utd and beating Hearts and the difference that would make to how some people feel about Ross.

Folk pretending beating Dundee Utd is as important to beating Hearts is twisting an argument to suit an agenda, even if in the greater scheme of things, the result was more important.

Last nights win was great and I’ve already agreed it was a big game. It’ll be quickly forgotten about though.

IMO to truly win over everybody he needs to create memories that last a long time. That happens when you beat the likes of Hearts, Rangers, Celtic or win silverware.

I remember wins against the old firm from when I was a kid (there’s not many derby wins from that period unfortunately 😂), I couldn’t tell you who we beat in the quarter finals of cups we didn’t win.

[bingo70]

Big game weighting. Come on Bingo.

Are you suggesting that all big games carry the same importance with fans?

[flash]

Are you suggesting that all big games carry the same importance with fans?

I am suggesting that people will always find a way not to acknowledge the great job the manager is doing if they really want to. You have to win big games to get to big games.

[Allez Hibs]

No and you know fine well the difference between beating Dundee Utd and beating Hearts and the difference that would make to how some people feel about Ross.

Folk pretending beating Dundee Utd is as important to beating Hearts is twisting an argument to suit an agenda, even if in the greater scheme of things, the result was more important.

Last nights win was great and I’ve already agreed it was a big game. It’ll be quickly forgotten about though.

IMO to truly win over everybody he needs to create memories that last a long time. That happens when you beat the likes of Hearts, Rangers, Celtic or win silverware.

I remember wins against the old firm from when I was a kid (there’s not many derby wins from that period unfortunately 😂), I couldn’t tell you who we beat in the quarter finals of cups we didn’t win.

Very good post 👍

[Keith_M]

Maybe somebody could produce a chart of the order of big games.

e.g.

1) Beating Real Madrid in the Champions League Final
2) Beating Bayern in the Champions League Final
...
10) Beating Ross County in the Champions League Final
...
187) Beating Hearts in the League
...
10345) Beating St Mirren in the League

[bingo70]

I am suggesting that people will always find a way not to acknowledge the great job the manager is doing if they really want to. You have to win big games to get to big games.

Yeah, and that’s why he’ll rightly get praise for last night.

[Keith_M]

Yeah, and that’s why he’ll rightly get praise for last night.


:aok:

[flash]

Very good post 👍

Approval from Allez Hibs or the .net kiss of death as it's otherwise known.

[bingo70]

Approval from Allez Hibs or the .net kiss of death as it's otherwise known.

Aye, that crossed my mind 😂

Is it too late to jump to the other side of the argument? 😉

[flash]

Yeah, and that’s why he’ll rightly get praise for last night.

He is shaping up to be our best manager since Eddie Turnbull. Not sure he wants or needs the hard won approval of those who will never fully support him.

[flash]

Aye, that crossed my mind 😂

Is it too late to jump to the other side of the argument? 😉

Nah stick to your guns. I know you are playing devil's advocate.

[BILLYHIBS]

Maybe somebody could produce a chart of the order of big games.

e.g.

1) Beating Real Madrid in the Champions League Final
2) Beating Bayern in the Champions League Final
...
10) Beating Ross County in the Champions League Final
...
187) Beating Hearts in the League
...
10345) Beating St Mirren in the League

I would’ve settled for beating Ross County in a League Cup Final

:cb

[Smartie]

Rangers at Hampden.

He could get a few monkeys off his back by winning that one.

We’ve got a month of big games coming up so it’s a great time for him to shrug this reputation off.

Rijeka apart, our performances and results in the biggest games this season (Motherwell away, Hearts away, last night) have been decent.

It was also interesting to see him go apoplectic when we were shrinking back last night. I’d wondered if that was an ill-advised JR tactical move but it may be a players thing and nowt to do with him.

Anyway - he’s stuck his neck on the Hampden block again. Good for him.

[ahibby]

I hope I never see the day when Hibs fans take pride and satisfaction from results over good ninety minute performances. Personally my reason for watching footie isnt about results but seeing skillfull, confident and well matched teams. Any poor performance feels like a loss to me.

[flash]

I hope I never see the day when Hibs fans take pride and satisfaction from results over good ninety minute performances. Personally my reason for watching footie isnt about results but seeing skillfull, confident and well matched teams. Any poor performance feels like a loss to me.

What about if we are crap and we get beat too.

[HFC93]

And the 4th semi-final appearance in a row under his management.

They only count as big games when we lose. That's how it works with Jack Ross critics.

[Pretty Boy]

I think Ross is largely popular now. I haven't seen many people have a go at him here or elsewhere in a long while. Even after the European exit he was largely absolved of almost any blame, and rightly so.

There are quite literally half a dozen people on both sides of the argument determined to continue the debate, such as it is, at every opportunity. Beyond that I don't think a thread like this would be near the front page if the aforementioned handful didn't bump it back up every other week.

[bingo70]

They only count as big games when we lose. That's how it works with Jack Ross critics.

What a lot of pish.

[Allez Hibs]

I hope I never see the day when Hibs fans take pride and satisfaction from results over good ninety minute performances. Personally my reason for watching footie isnt about results but seeing skillfull, confident and well matched teams. Any poor performance feels like a loss to me.

What about if it's a cup final?

[Allez Hibs]

I think Ross is largely popular now. I haven't seen many people have a go at him here or elsewhere in a long while. Even after the European exit he was largely absolved of almost any blame, and rightly so.

There are quite literally half a dozen people on both sides of the argument determined to continue the debate, such as it is, at every opportunity. Beyond that I don't think a thread like this would be near the front page if the aforementioned handful didn't bump it back up every other week.

Thats the nature of the beast with the job he has at Hibs. If you get to 4 straight semi finals, I think it's fair enough for the fans to want silverware.

As a club it's our 5th straight semi final.
14th visit to Hampden from 2012.

1 cup win in 5 finals.

Given those numbers, he's here to deliver a trophy.

The club is the biggest it's been in about 50 years, attendance wise, commercially, international players, league finishes, cup semi finals and finals. I think it's fair to say expectations as a club might have increased a little now that we have Ron as owner. Fans need to accept that too. No use continually just getting to semi finals, silverware is there to be won. Even Willie Miller was on the radio last night saying he thought Hibs and Hearts could challenge this season.

Given Nisbet is now our only recognised striker and what's on offer this season its little wonder Mathie is away.

Nobody is having a pop at Jack Ross, but let's not forget he's here to deliver success or Ron will get someone that can.

[Pretty Boy]

Thats the nature of the beast with the job he has at Hibs. If you get to 4 straight semi finals, I think it's fair enough for the fans to want silverware.

As a club it's our 5th straight semi final.
14th visit to Hampden from 2012.

1 cup win in 5 finals.

Given those numbers, he's here to deliver a trophy.

I think it's more just the cyclical nature of internet discussion when everything is on record and can be cast up at any opportunity really.

We have people pretending any cup ties, quarter finals, semi finals etc aren't big games. We have others failing to understand Bingos fair point about some big games being bigger than others in the eyes of a fanbase, even if that is in an emotive sense rather than reality.

It's not really a criticism because that's why this place exists but if people are really determined to have the last word on this then they are going to be disappointed. John Collins hasn't been employed by Hibs for well over a decade yet the mention of his name the other day still provoked an argument about his tenure with little ground conceded by people who were saying the same things 14 years ago.

I had my opinion on Ross last season, I've got my opinion on him now. Whilst I'll argue my point I don't need other people to constantly affirm that I am right or tell me I'm wrong because neither is likely to change my mind. Equally there comes a time to let things lie because the point of debate is lost when we reach the position we did on this thread about 15 pages ago; that being that the most vocal are also the most entrenched. This thread could run for another 1000 pages and the same points would still be being repeated but with even less likelihood of a consensus being reached among the handful making them.

[GRA]

Thats the nature of the beast with the job he has at Hibs. If you get to 4 straight semi finals, I think it's fair enough for the fans to want silverware.

As a club it's our 5th straight semi final.
14th visit to Hampden from 2012.

1 cup win in 5 finals.

Given those numbers, he's here to deliver a trophy.

The club is the biggest it's been in about 50 years, attendance wise, commercially, international players, league finishes, cup semi finals and finals. I think it's fair to say expectations as a club might have increased a little now that we have Ron as owner. Fans need to accept that too. No use continually just getting to semi finals. Even Eillie Miller was on the radio last night saying he thought Hibs and Hearts could challenge this season.

He's getting closer to that goal. The more experience the lads have of playing at Hampden the greater the chance of winning and greater the chance of getting a trophy. Better to at least be in those positions than to consistently be getting knocked out early doors.

This will be the first time we've been at Hampden as major underdogs under Ross' management. Who knows, may even work in our favour this time!

[Edinburgh Green]

They only count as big games when we lose. That's how it works with Jack Ross critics.

lol, that's some take. :crazy:

[Since452]

lol, that's some take. :crazy:

I genuinely think that is pretty accurate for some folk

[RyeSloan]

I hope I never see the day when Hibs fans take pride and satisfaction from results over good ninety minute performances. Personally my reason for watching footie isnt about results but seeing skillfull, confident and well matched teams. Any poor performance feels like a loss to me.

It’s an age old debate but I bet most people would have taken St Johnstones dull as dishwater approach last season in exchange for being double cup winners.

On a on going basis and week in week out of course we want to see good football played but on one off games, and in particular in the cups, the result is paramount.

If I’m the next cup final we are in are you seriously saying you would take no pride or satisfaction from winning the cup because we played poorly but won?

I’d rather that all day long compared to having been brilliant but somehow the fates conspiring against us and losing!

[ekhibee]

I like Ross, and I think this is good news. I would say there are areas where we could improve, and IMO performances and dropped points against the likes of Dundee and St Mirren underlines that, but we've had a good start to the season even allowing for that and Doidge's long term injury. For me, Ross needs to take that extra step and win a trophy, but he's been a good manager for us so far, and I hope he's learned from defeats in previous competitions.

[EVENTUALLY]

I'm interested to see what he does regarding tactical formation and team selection on Sunday. Last season St. Johnstone pretty much spoiled Hibs season and did it comfortably and regularly. But for the saints it could have been a fabulous season. What has he learned to beat them and how will he adapt to the saints approach should they go in front. This would never in the normal scheme of things be viewed as a big game at this stage of the season but it is a very important one for Jack Ross.

[Heisenberg]

I'm interested to see what he does regarding tactical formation and team selection on Sunday. Last season St. Johnstone pretty much spoiled Hibs season and did it comfortably and regularly. But for the saints it could have been a fabulous season. What has he learned to beat them and how will he adapt to the saints approach should they go in front. This would never in the normal scheme of things be viewed as a big game at this stage of the season but it is a very important one for Jack Ross.

St Johnstone have made themselves into a very difficult opponent, Sunday will be tough. They’ve only lost twice away from home in over twenty games. They will be targeting that ball to Rooney at the back post I’d imagine.

Horrible side to play against but hopefully the reintroduction of Allan can make a difference in breaking them down.

[superfurryhibby]

I'm interested to see what he does regarding tactical formation and team selection on Sunday. Last season St. Johnstone pretty much spoiled Hibs season and did it comfortably and regularly. But for the saints it could have been a fabulous season. What has he learned to beat them and how will he adapt to the saints approach should they go in front. This would never in the normal scheme of things be viewed as a big game at this stage of the season but it is a very important one for Jack Ross.

Me too. Player for player we are better than St Johnstone, but we obviously struggled against them last season. It will be a big test for us and hopefully Ross has worked out how to counteract their tactics and game plan. A win will be a great statement of intent and show progress.

[Danderhall Hibs]

What a lot of pish.

Dundee United in the SC semi wasn’t that big last season but St Johnstone in the LC was.

I think it’s something to do with the sliding scale thing.

[Pretty Boy]

Dundee United in the SC semi wasn’t that big last season but St Johnstone in the LC was.

I think it’s something to do with the sliding scale thing.

Maybe I'm oversimplifying it but is it not simply because there was a finality about the latter but not the former.

By that I mean beating Dundee Utd created an even bigger opportunity and thus a bigger game so in many ways it became a step on a path rather than a stand alone event. Losing to St Johnstone was the end of the road so the dissection could begin. I think that's just the nature of knockout football, every win creates a bigger opportunity so arguably relegates the status of the game that's gone before. It's a bit like playing the lottery. If you buy a ticket for £2 and won £25 from 3 numbers you would be quite happy. If you matched the 1st 3 numbers drawn you would start to view it differently though, get the 1st 4 and you start to dream, 5 and you think it's on and by that point not getting the 6th would start to feel a bit disappointing as the £3M you were dreaming of became £15k or whatever. It's still an achievement but it's tinged with a bit of what might have been. Of course the difference is you are unlikely to be in that position again with the lottery whereas in football we are back there already.

That doesn't mean you aren't a total idiot if you try to argue beating Dundee Utd last season wasn't winning a big game of course.

[Shrekko]

I hope I never see the day when Hibs fans take pride and satisfaction from results over good ninety minute performances. Personally my reason for watching footie isnt about results but seeing skillfull, confident and well matched teams. Any poor performance feels like a loss to me.

I don’t know what age you are but you must have experienced a lot of pain watching Hibs.

I know some of our more romantic fans want to believe we’re like Brazil more often than not but for around 90 percent of my time watching is we’ve been horrible. At the moment we are a good team however.

When did we pick up this section of fans who think regular semi’s and finals and high league finishes are ‘mediocrity’ and not good enough? Did they drop on to the earth from space?

[SHODAN]

One day we'll hit another patch of not going to Hampden for like five years or something. Enjoy them while they're here. :aok:

[bingo70]

Dundee United in the SC semi wasn’t that big last season but St Johnstone in the LC was.

I think it’s something to do with the sliding scale thing.

Don’t know why you need to take such an attitude about it to be honest.

Dundee united game in the semi final was a big game and he got lots of credit for winning it.

Nobody has said he has lost every big game.

It’s also pretty obvious that he can do better in games that people consider the important or big matches.

The semi final and finals against St Johnstone were terrible, as much for the performance than the result. Even then though, they didn’t attract criticism because of those performances in isolation, it was on top of losing a couple of big derbies and failing to beat the old firm sides.

In all honesty, I know I’m wasting my time typing this as you’ll automatically just start to pretend again that you don’t know what a big game is as it suits your argument to ignore it.

[hibbydog]

Maybe I'm oversimplifying it but is it not simply because there was a finality about the latter but not the former.

By that I mean beating Dundee Utd created an even bigger opportunity and thus a bigger game so in many ways it became a step on a path rather than a stand alone event. Losing to St Johnstone was the end of the road so the dissection could begin. I think that's just the nature of knockout football, every win creates a bigger opportunity so arguably relegates the status of the game that's gone before. It's a bit like playing the lottery. If you buy a ticket for £2 and won £25 from 3 numbers you would be quite happy. If you matched the 1st 3 numbers drawn you would start to view it differently though, get the 1st 4 and you start to dream, 5 and you think it's on and by that point not getting the 6th would start to feel a bit disappointing as the £3M you were dreaming of became £15k or whatever. It's still an achievement but it's tinged with a bit of what might have been. Of course the difference is you are unlikely to be in that position again with the lottery whereas in football we are back there already.

That doesn't mean you aren't a total idiot if you try to argue beating Dundee Utd last season wasn't winning a big game of course.

That's a really good analogy and sums up how I feel about Hibs.

We're better than most, and we're in a good place at the moment. But it's always tinged with dissapointment on the big ocassion.

Ach weel

[Crunchie]

I don’t know what age you are but you must have experienced a lot of pain watching Hibs.

I know some of our more romantic fans want to believe we’re like Brazil more often than not but for around 90 percent of my time watching is we’ve been horrible. At the moment we are a good team however.

When did we pick up this section of fans who think regular semi’s and finals and high league finishes are ‘mediocrity’ and not good enough? Did they drop on to the earth from space?
Utterly bizarre, I've been watching Hibs since the early 70s and this is most definitely one of our better eras. Anyone not happy with what Jack is doing with us is either at it or hasn't got a clue.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Maybe I'm oversimplifying it but is it not simply because there was a finality about the latter but not the former.

By that I mean beating Dundee Utd created an even bigger opportunity and thus a bigger game so in many ways it became a step on a path rather than a stand alone event. Losing to St Johnstone was the end of the road so the dissection could begin. I think that's just the nature of knockout football, every win creates a bigger opportunity so arguably relegates the status of the game that's gone before. It's a bit like playing the lottery. If you buy a ticket for £2 and won £25 from 3 numbers you would be quite happy. If you matched the 1st 3 numbers drawn you would start to view it differently though, get the 1st 4 and you start to dream, 5 and you think it's on and by that point not getting the 6th would start to feel a bit disappointing as the £3M you were dreaming of became £15k or whatever. It's still an achievement but it's tinged with a bit of what might have been. Of course the difference is you are unlikely to be in that position again with the lottery whereas in football we are back there already.

That doesn't mean you aren't a total idiot if you try to argue beating Dundee Utd last season wasn't winning a big game of course.

Agree with that. I think I argued at points last year that we’d (for JRs sake) have been better getting put out the cups earlier last year.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Don’t know why you need to take such an attitude about it to be honest.

Dundee united game in the semi final was a big game and he got lots of credit for winning it.

Nobody has said he has lost every big game.

It’s also pretty obvious that he can do better in games that people consider the important or big matches.

The semi final and finals against St Johnstone were terrible, as much for the performance than the result. Even then though, they didn’t attract criticism because of those performances in isolation, it was on top of losing a couple of big derbies and failing to beat the old firm sides.

In all honesty, I know I’m wasting my time typing this as you’ll automatically just start to pretend again that you don’t know what a big game is as it suits your argument to ignore it.

I know what a big game is - it’s those folk you described in your post earlier that are getting a bit confused and tying themselves up in knots.

[jacomo]

They only count as big games when we lose. That's how it works with Jack Ross critics.


Tedious line of argument this.

Football debates now seem to be just endless ad hominem attacks.

[Andy74]

Tedious line of argument this.

Football debates now seem to be just endless ad hominem attacks.

It is a reasonable point though. If you get through some big games they then don’t count because the next one is bigger.

If you lose them they count as big games though. Unless we win trophies I suspect his winning of quarters and semis don’t really get credited too much.

[Since452]

Agree with that. I think I argued at points last year that we’d (for JRs sake) have been better getting put out the cups earlier last year.

To me it felt like there was less made of Hearts being pumped out an early round of the Scottish Cup by Brora Rangers than there was of us losing the final to St Johnstone so i totally get what you mean. Would there have been such an outcry about big games etc if we'd lost to Stranraer in the early rounds? Probably not. Jack Ross's win ratio in cup games must be pretty spectacular but only the final and semi defeats are mentioned.

[calumhibee1]

One day we'll hit another patch of not going to Hampden for like five years or something. Enjoy them while they're here. :aok:

To be fair a trip to Hampden is only ever enjoyable when we win.

With that in mind, it’s over to JR and the players to make sure that happens.

[calumhibee1]

To me it felt like there was less made of Hearts being pumped out an early round of the Scottish Cup by Brora Rangers than there was of us losing the final to St Johnstone so i totally get what you mean. Would there have been such an outcry about big games etc if we'd lost to Stranraer in the early rounds? Probably not. Jack Ross's win ratio in cup games must be pretty spectacular but only the final and semi defeats are mentioned.

You’re surprised that a bigger deal was made of a cup final defeat than an early round defeat in a cup? :confused:

Surely by their very nature a bigger deal is going to be made of a cup final result regardless of what way that result goes. It’s a cup final. It’s kind of how it goes..

[B.H.F.C]

It is a reasonable point though. If you get through some big games they then don’t count because the next one is bigger.

If you lose them they count as big games though. Unless we win trophies I suspect his winning of quarters and semis don’t really get credited too much.

Works the other way round when some folk want to count the big ones won but not the ones lost.

We handled the derby well and we got the result last night so hopefully we see that continue in these type of games.

[Since452]

You’re surprised that a bigger deal was made of a cup final defeat than an early round defeat in a cup? :confused:

Surely by their very nature a bigger deal is going to be made of a cup final result regardless of what way that result goes. It’s a cup final. It’s kind of how it goes..

My point is Ross took more grief for losing a final than he would have for going out in an earlier round.

[bingo70]

My point is Ross took more grief for losing a final than he would have for going out in an earlier round.

Same applies to Fenlon in the 5-1 cup final.

He’d have been better going out in the semi final too but I don’t remember that being much of a defence of his spell at Hibs.

Alex Millers spell in the 90s will largely be defined by a lot of people for his poor derby record despite the state of us when he took over, winning silverware and qualifying for Europe a couple of times.

[Pretty Boy]

My point is Ross took more grief for losing a final than he would have for going out in an earlier round.

That's just conjecture though. Largely because his record in cups is so good that we just don't know what the reaction will be when it isn't.

I'm not sure if it was you who posted a page or so back that there wasn't that big a deal made about Hearts losing to Brora. Maybe among Hibs fans because, beyond being something to laugh at, it didn't really concern us.

Among Hearts fans it led to banners being draped over bridges, an extensive poster campaign, online hysteria and a protest at the ground. All demanding the same thing, the head of the manager and the chairperson.

[Smartie]

I think the draw has been quite kind to Jack Ross there.

If he loses to Rangers then there will be a reasonable amount of understanding and forgiveness, whereas if he wins it will be considered to be a fantastic result.

St Johnstone would have been the nightmare draw for him as he would have been under massive pressure to win with no sort of defeat being tolerable, against an ugly side who we often struggle against.

[calumhibee1]

My point is Ross took more grief for losing a final than he would have for going out in an earlier round.

Of course. And he’d have got much more credit for winning it than he’d have got for winning in the earlier rounds. I hesitate to say it, but these things happen because they’re big games… there’s a lot more to lose and a lot more to gain than there is in the 3rd round and peoples reactions will always reflect that.

[blackpoolhibs]

To be fair a trip to Hampden is only ever enjoyable when we win.

With that in mind, it’s over to JR and the players to make sure that happens.

Ross and the players cant make sure it happens, dont know why anyone would say that, they can try but there are many other factors that have to be considered.

[Stonewall]

lol, that's some take. :crazy:

it really isn’t.

[Shrekko]

I think the draw has been quite kind to Jack Ross there.

If he loses to Rangers then there will be a reasonable amount of understanding and forgiveness, whereas if he wins it will be considered to be a fantastic result.

St Johnstone would have been the nightmare draw for him as he would have been under massive pressure to win with no sort of defeat being tolerable, against an ugly side who we often struggle against.

What a lot of us can’t understand is why there is this seemingly relentless focus on JR to the point that it’s all about him.

His overall body of work is such that it’s clear he’s doing a great job.

Don’t recall managers like Lennon or Mowbray having fingers pointed at them in this way and they didn’t come too close to winning a cup at Hibs.

Looking back at our Hampden games last season - we should have beaten Hearts and had the first St Johnstone game wrapped up by half time. Can’t see how players missing penalties and open goals is down to his management to be honest.

[calumhibee1]

Ross and the players cant make sure it happens, dont know why anyone would say that, they can try but there are many other factors that have to be considered.

Ok, I’ll rephrase it. JR and the players are the only ones who can make it happen. It’s down to them to win the game.

[SHODAN]

Judging by the micro-analysis of every game to rake out some kind of negative I assume most people either weren't here during the **** years of 2010-14, or have repressed those memories entirely.

[Allez Hibs]

What a lot of us can’t understand is why there is this seemingly relentless focus on JR to the point that it’s all about him.

His overall body of work is such that it’s clear he’s doing a great job.

Don’t recall managers like Lennon or Mowbray having fingers pointed at them in this way and they didn’t come too close to winning a cup at Hibs.

Looking back at our Hampden games last season - we should have beaten Hearts and had the first St Johnstone game wrapped up by half time. Can’t see how players missing penalties and open goals is down to his management to be honest.

See last home Derby before Hearts were relegated and subsequent Semi Final v Hearts then Semi Final and Final v St Johnstone.

[Peevemor]

See last home Derby before Hearts were relegated and subsequent Semi Final v Hearts then Semi Final and Final v St Johnstone.Scratched record. Can we maybe move on?

[bigwheel]

Judging by the micro-analysis of every game to rake out some kind of negative I assume most people either weren't here during the **** years of 2010-14, or have repressed those memories entirely.

Ha! So true ..


there are those who explore negatives in an interesting way, and then there are those who simply thrive when creating a negative tone in these boards …

We have lost one game this season - in Europe when we went down to ten men..the league campaign is going well, and we are in the first semi final of the season ..yet you’d think by some of these threads we were fighting relegation …incredible really ..

[WhileTheChief..]

Judging by the micro-analysis of every game to rake out some kind of negative I assume most people either weren't here during the **** years of 2010-14, or have repressed those memories entirely.

We've moved on from these days thankfully.

It's only right that we apply higher standards than we did back then.

Otherwise we might as well just to say "each well, it's better than when Bertie Auld was manager, let's just enjoy things"!

[GRA]

What a lot of us can’t understand is why there is this seemingly relentless focus on JR to the point that it’s all about him.

His overall body of work is such that it’s clear he’s doing a great job.

Don’t recall managers like Lennon or Mowbray having fingers pointed at them in this way and they didn’t come too close to winning a cup at Hibs.

Looking back at our Hampden games last season - we should have beaten Hearts and had the first St Johnstone game wrapped up by half time. Can’t see how players missing penalties and open goals is down to his management to be honest.
:top marks
I'm baffled too. Since he joined he's got the best win % outside the Old Firm, reached at least the semis of every domestic cup and led us to our highest league finish for 16 years in his first full season.

Compared to some of the dross we've witnessed over the last decade these are good times. Yet when games go against us (sometimes decided by the finer margins) people can't wait to stick the boot in. Bizarre.

[Shrekko]

See last home Derby before Hearts were relegated and subsequent Semi Final v Hearts then Semi Final and Final v St Johnstone.

I’d already commented on 2 of the games - we should have won them.

Like I say - Im more than happy with his overall body of work which is how I’ll judge him. If you think a a manger at Hibs can’t be deemed a success unless we’re winning silverware left and right then I disagree.

We’ve had a couple of bitter disappointments in the last couple of years - tough to take but nothing is tougher than watching us being dross every week in front of about 6000 fans. Glad that’s a distant memory.

[jacomo]

It is a reasonable point though. If you get through some big games they then don’t count because the next one is bigger.

If you lose them they count as big games though. Unless we win trophies I suspect his winning of quarters and semis don’t really get credited too much.



Nah it’s not.

I think the Hibs fanbase and owner are generally united in the view that Hibs *should* be getting to domestic cup semi finals regularly.

This is not to dismiss last nights result - it’s great - but we were favourites to go through, no?

[oneone73]

Nah it’s not.

I think the Hibs fanbase and owner are generally united in the view that Hibs *should* be getting to domestic cup semi finals regularly.

This is not to dismiss last nights result - it’s great - but we were favourites to go through, no?

Would that be because Jack Ross has built a fine team?

[CallumLaidlaw]

Nah it’s not.

I think the Hibs fanbase and owner are generally united in the view that Hibs *should* be getting to domestic cup semi finals regularly.

This is not to dismiss last nights result - it’s great - but we were favourites to go through, no?

Yeah we were and yes we think we should. But that’s not how football works is it. To get to the semis of 4 cup competitions in a row is brilliantly consistent.

We probably now take for granted our consistency in cup competitions. Last night meant we’ve reached the semis 12 times in 11 seasons. Been in 5 finals in the last 10 seasons. Outside of the Old Firm that is tremendous. Unfortunately that means we rightly expect more from being deeper in those competitions, and a 20% success rate in finals is pretty poor.


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[SHODAN]

We've moved on from these days thankfully.

It's only right that we apply higher standards than we did back then.

Otherwise we might as well just to say "each well, it's better than when Bertie Auld was manager, let's just enjoy things"!

We should absolutely set a high standard, but we're second, unbeaten and in another semi final. Don't get it tbh.

[G15 Hibs]

Otherwise we might as well just to say "each well, it's better than when Bertie Auld was manager, let's just enjoy things"!

That *is* how I feel a lot of the time when watching Hibs when we're doing well. I like just enjoying it. I hope that's permitted.

[weecounty hibby]

Judging by the micro-analysis of every game to rake out some kind of negative I assume most people either weren't here during the **** years of 2010-14, or have repressed those memories entirely.

I've been watching Hibs for 48 years now and really wish that 2010 to 2014 were our only really **** years!!! The last few years have been good, JR has us performing at a consistently high level since he cam in

[WhileTheChief..]

We should absolutely set a high standard, but we're second, unbeaten and in another semi final. Don't get it tbh.

Agreed, I'm loving it just now. Great times for us and I only see things getting better :thumbsup:

[Since452]

If any support deserved a few years of consistent success it's us. I genuinely think we'll get that under Jack, Ben and Ron. The club will become the biggest it's ever been in my lifetime.

[JimBHibees]

Seems like we are not allowed to enjoy significant wins like last night. They all aren't good enough when you have but what about these games we lost in the past. The past has gone enjoy the moment. What a way to run your life. :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

Judging by the micro-analysis of every game to rake out some kind of negative I assume most people either weren't here during the **** years of 2010-14, or have repressed those memories entirely.

Agree try living through the 80s as a Hibee absolutely horrific.

[The Veteran]

This is a good team, make no mistake about that. And the good news is that we’re only going to get better.

[superfurryhibby]

Agree try living through the 80s as a Hibee absolutely horrific.

A decade to forget. Auld, Stanton, Blackley and the early years of Miller.

We should enjoy what we are building, it doesn't happen that often.

[Since452]

Agree try living through the 80s as a Hibee absolutely horrific.

To make it worse Aberdeen and Dundee United were going through their glory years and Hearts almost won the league. Definitely a decade to forget.

[JimBHibees]

To make it worse Aberdeen and Dundee United were going through their glory years and Hearts almost won the league. Definitely a decade to forget.

Think we got to Hampden once in that decade so would suggest we maybe appreciate where we are at present a wee bit more.

[BILLYHIBS]

Agree try living through the 80s as a Hibee absolutely horrific.

Even then we managed to knock Rangers out of the League Cup at the semi final stage 2-0 at Easter Road and 0-1 away in the second leg

They don’t like it up em!

[miy00015]

Absolutely in no way taking JR, the current team, and the last couple seasons for granted in saying this. I do worry that sitting in defending tight leads the way we have done a few times now isn’t the best option, considering how dangerous we look when we go for teams. Admittedly I am yet another armchair manager, just wish JR and Hibs would look to break faster and push up more.

[Allez Hibs]

Nah it’s not.

I think the Hibs fanbase and owner are generally united in the view that Hibs *should* be getting to domestic cup semi finals regularly.

This is not to dismiss last nights result - it’s great - but we were favourites to go through, no?

Fully agree. With the size of our club now expectations have increased not just plodding along happy go lucky.

[Andy74]

Absolutely in no way taking JR, the current team, and the last couple seasons for granted in saying this. I do worry that sitting in defending tight leads the way we have done a few times now isn’t the best option, considering how dangerous we look when we go for teams. Admittedly I am yet another armchair manager, just wish JR and Hibs would look to break faster and push up more.

It happens to all teams at times - 3-0 at half time seldom delivers a 6-0 at full time.

Scott Allan talked after the game of Dundee Utd shooting down the slope with nothing to lose. They pushed full backs high up the pitch and they get momentum.

[blackpoolhibs]

Fully agree. With the size of our club now expectations have increased not just plodding along happy go lucky.

We were never plodding along happy go lucky, when we were pish we said we were pish, it's just now that we are decent, some folk cant bring themselves to say so.

[Allez Hibs]

Absolutely in no way taking JR, the current team, and the last couple seasons for granted in saying this. I do worry that sitting in defending tight leads the way we have done a few times now isn’t the best option, considering how dangerous we look when we go for teams. Admittedly I am yet another armchair manager, just wish JR and Hibs would look to break faster and push up more.

Easier said than done, it's difficult for a manager to get them pushed up during a match when it's happening. During a match a defence can just sit naturally deeper and all of a sudden the dynamic of the match has changed.

[SHODAN]

We were never plodding along happy go lucky, when we were pish we said we were pish, it's just now that we are decent, some folk cant bring themselves to say so.

To be fair, if I held the belief that we'll somehow beat Hearts 4-0 before every single derby I'd probably be disappointed too.

[Brightside]

If any support deserved a few years of consistent success it's us. I genuinely think we'll get that under Jack, Ben and Ron. The club will become the biggest it's ever been in my lifetime.

I’m not sure why we deserve success more than any other team?

[Allez Hibs]

Scratched record. Can we maybe move on?

Now, that is the question. Another Semi Final for Jack Ross, another shot at glory. Can he deliver this time?

42 years since losing to Rangers at Hampden and generally a good record in Semi Finals against them.

[Allez Hibs]

I’m not sure why we deserve success more than any other team?

Really?

Have you seen the number of semi finals and finals we have lost?

The club is crying out for a successful purple patch. The cup record in the last 10 years is unreal and we've only won one.

[Eyrie]

Really?

Have you seen the number of semi finals and finals we have lost?

The club is crying out for a successful purple patch. The cup record in the last 10 years is unreal and we've only won one.

For context, can you name the last five Hibs managers to win a major trophy?

[jgl07]

For context, can you name the last five Hibs managers to win a major trophy?
At a guess I would say:

Alan Stubbs
John Collins
Alex Miller
Eddie Turnbull
Hugh Shaw

[Viva_Palmeiras]

It’s a cup game saint !
oh Greavsie you kill me !

im as disappointed as the next Hibee but if we keep in keep in the door it’s the only way we learn to take the next step. We must use our previous experience no point in beating ourselves up about what could have Nd maybe should have been.

[jgl07]

For context, can you name the last five Hibs managers to win a major trophy?
At a guess I would say:

Alan Stubbs
John Collins
Alex Miller
Eddie Turnbull
Hugh Shaw

[Eyrie]

At a guess I would say:

Alan Stubbs
John Collins
Alex Miller
Eddie Turnbull
Hugh Shaw

That's who I was thinking of.

Be interesting to see what Allez Hibs makes of that list, which represents our last twenty seven managers and almost seventy four years.

[O'Rourke3]

For context, can you name the last five Hibs managers to win a major trophy?Good question already answered by others.

What's then a minor trophy? Championship/ Division 1? Adds Lennon, McLeish and Ormond into the mix.

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[StockholmHibs]

Me too. Player for player we are better than St Johnstone, but we obviously struggled against them last season. It will be a big test for us and hopefully Ross has worked out how to counteract their tactics and game plan. A win will be a great statement of intent and show progress.
I hear that player for player phrase being trotted out all the time on hear. Always seems to be said against St Johnstone and them. And yet they are the two teams we struggle most against.
Have we really got better players than them?

[Since452]

I hear that player for player phrase being trotted out all the time on hear. Always seems to be said against St Johnstone and them. And yet they are the two teams we struggle most against.
Have we really got better players than them?

Yes

[calumhibee1]

I hear that player for player phrase being trotted out all the time on hear. Always seems to be said against St Johnstone and them. And yet they are the two teams we struggle most against.
Have we really got better players than them?

They’re *****. They’ve got 1 league win all season. They seem to be the worst possible style of team for us to play against but I keep seeing that nobody will find it easy to play against them. We may continue to struggle due to their style but a few teams will piss all over them. They’re really not very good.