Queen of the South v Hibernian

[whiskyhibby]

Are they actually saying Dobbie had a case? :faf:

That was never a foul by Newell, ridiculous that they’re even given that consideration


Refs need to start yellow carding blatant dives, seems like they have stopped giving cards for it

[hibbysam]

Allan Johnstone is a classless, ugly, jambo prick

Leave his looks out of it 👀😂

[dchibs]

Midfield have lost their shape the last 10 mins.... Gogic just needs to sit deeper. No need for everyone to be pushing up at 3-0.

Thought Gogic had a great game, his running and tackling and passing where good I don't think he gets the credit he sometimes merrits on here sometimes.

[Andy74]

Only complaint for me is that Wright came on for Bradley.

Would have been brilliant for the young man to get 10 minutes or so at the end when we were comfortable.

Wright is one of our players too.

[truehibernian]

Thought Gogic had a great game, his running and tackling and passing where good I don't think he gets the credit he sometimes merits on here sometimes.

Second half he was excellent :aok: first half he was slack in possession........suited him when Newell stepped up and took more of a grip of the game.

[hibbysam]

Second half he was excellent :aok: first half he was slack in possession........suited him when Newell stepped up and took more of a grip of the game.

Just the first 20 or so when the team was struggling. I’ll cut him some slack though as the pitch and conditions looked hellish. Three midfielders were composed thereafter and got a grip on the game.

[gaz1875]

Thought Gogic had a great game, his running and tackling and passing where good I don't think he gets the credit he sometimes merrits on here sometimes.

He was superb today. Gogic was on it right from the kick off while others were struggling a little. As the game progressed he was all over the place winning the ball and driving us forward. My player of the season so far.

[hibsbollah]

It’s worth considering that it was blowing a Gale, 45 mph gusts, windchill in the southwest around -10 earlier. Great performance on crap pitch in bad conditions.

[truehibernian]

Just the first 20 or so when the team was struggling. I’ll cut him some slack though as the pitch and conditions looked hellish. Three midfielders were composed thereafter and got a grip on the game.

Last 10 in the first half Gogic drove forward and seemed to set a tone. Second half, clearly Newell had been told to get on the ball more and get the ball wide as our full backs got more forward. Gave AG more space and he did a great defensive midfield job keeping things moving :aok: Played well.

[Brightside]

Thought Gogic had a great game, his running and tackling and passing where good I don't think he gets the credit he sometimes merrits on here sometimes.

Yep i thought he was class....loads of energy. We just lost our shape at the end.

[hibbysam]

Last 10 in the first half Gogic drove forward and seemed to set a tone. Second half, clearly Newell had been told to get on the ball more and get the ball wide as our full backs got more forward. Gave AG more space and he did a great defensive midfield job keeping things moving :aok: Played well.

Indeed. Seemed to take a quarter of the game to understand the conditions and how to play them. After that we were very good and the three midfielders were crucial to that.

[h1bs4life]

Took a bit of time to find our feet on an absolutely shocking pitch but after about 25 minutes only one team in it.
Poor goal to lose but we could have scored a lot more.
Gogic Man Of The Match for me , very professional performance.

[ACLeith]

He was superb today. Gogic was on it right from the kick off while others were struggling a little. As the game progressed he was all over the place winning the ball and driving us forward. My player of the season so far.

I thought before the game he would be a key player. dreadful pitch and weather against a decent team in a good run, we needed someone to boss the midfield. A key component who allows others to play the positive stuff.

[inglisavhibs]

Job done on a poor pitch. Second half was pretty much how we like to see Hibs play football. Queen’s goal was well taken. Stranraer next could be easier on a real pitch. First though, a wee trip to end sevco’s unbeaten run I hope.


:flag:
Stranraer’s pitch is not great! The stadium is in the middle of a public park and the surface is poor. Pitch is also pretty small and Stranraer will try and make it in to a battle. If we apply ourselves correctly we should be ok but any complacency will mean a tough game.

[weecounty hibby]

I switched the game off as soon as the final whistle went. Please tell me that none of the experts said that there was a case for a penalty! never in a million years was that a pen and I would have said the same if it admins of our players. Well done Hibs, potentially tricky game handled very well, could have and probably should have scored a few more, Doidge played well and glad to see him scoring again

[G15 Hibs]

I switched the game off as soon as the final whistle went. Please tell me that none of the experts said that there was a case for a penalty! never in a million years was that a pen and I would have said the same if it admins of our players.

Foster said that if it was a penalty then Dobbie must have had a hard time keeping his feet in the wind in the first half, or something along those lines, so I don't think he was impressed.

[PatHead]

Good professional performance. Not a failure in the team.
Gogic was my man of the match.
Next.......

[JimBHibees]

Excellent performance second half was an excellent display and should have scored more. Looked a well balanced team with loads of goal threat imo.

[B.H.F.C]

Excellent performance second half was an excellent display and should have scored more. Looked a well balanced team with loads of goal threat imo.

My one criticism would be that, for all the chances and good positions, it falls to the usual suspects to actually put the ball in the net. We could be doing with the likes of Newell and Irvine chipping in between now and the end of the season, it could make all the difference.

Quite liked the fact that Magennis looked like he really wanted a goal when he came on. He probably should have played Nisbet in when he went the other way himself, didn’t mind that at that stage of the game though.

[Crunchie]

Really happy with our performance tonight. Many (I think rightfully) pegged this as a tricky tie, but we've fair made it look easy. Well played.
It wasn't looking too great for half an hour of that first half but boy were they on it in the second, they were magnificent that second half and didn't give queen's a sniff. They've come through a very tricky tie and here's hoping for another trip to hampden.

[Crunchie]

I thought Gogic was superb tonight, and the show pony was much much better in the 2nd half, playing further forward he is a much better player and imposes his game on the match. :top marks
What's with the show pony pish? Joe has proved he's a cracking player, not so good since he came back from injury but his performance second half is what kind of player he is, show pony? give us peace with that please.

[Crunchie]

It’s worth considering that it was blowing a Gale, 45 mph gusts, windchill in the southwest around -10 earlier. Great performance on crap pitch in bad conditions.
Absolutely :top marks many a Hibs team over the years would have lost that game tonight. The lads dealt with the conditions and the opposition magnificently.

[blackpoolhibs]

What's with the show pony pish? Joe has proved he's a cracking player, not so good since he came back from injury but his performance second half is what kind of player he is, show pony? give us peace with that please.

Will do, when he starts doing it more consistently. For now he's a show pony most of the time, someone further up mentioned he was told to get on the ball more at half time, no he was not, he played a bit further forward and did what we all know he can, create and keep the ball moving quickly.

At no time would i imagine the manager told him to keep losing the ball, foul opponents and pass the ball backwards all the time.

I have never said he's all bad, he has great qualities, and when on form is one of the first names on the team sheet.

If he is playing just in front of the back 3/4 then in my opinion he's like a man short, a show pony taking the easy option every time and not influencing the game at all, and we are more open for teams to dominate our midfield, and more importantly, we end up launching the ball forward from either Hanlon or Porto because we've slowed the game down so much, every opposition player has been given time to get back into position.

Get Newell further forward or bring someone else in who can contribute more than he does in that deeper position.

[green day]

Will do, when he starts doing it more consistently. For now he's a show pony most of the time, someone further up mentioned he was told to get on the ball more at half time, no he was not, he played a bit further forward and did what we all know he can, create and keep the ball moving quickly.

At no time would i imagine the manager told him to keep losing the ball, foul opponents and pass the ball backwards all the time.

I have never said he's all bad, he has great qualities, and when on form is one of the first names on the team sheet.

If he is playing just in front of the back 3/4 then in my opinion he's like a man short, a show pony taking the easy option every time and not influencing the game at all, and we are more open for teams to dominate our midfield, and more importantly, we end up launching the ball forward from either Hanlon or Porto because we've slowed the game down so much, every opposition player has been given time to get back into position.

Get Newell further forward or bring someone else in who can contribute more than he does in that deeper position.

Couple of things -

You are right that Newell is so much better at playing the more forward role.

But last night it was obvious that the conditions would play a massive part in the first half - and imo Newell and Irvine were asked to sit a bit more and protect against the (inevitable) balls over the top. I think it was clever and us getting the goal when we did was a bonus.

2nd half, the conditions improved and Newell / Irvine were able to roam forward more, leaving Gogic in the holding role (which he did really well).

No surprise that Doig and Boyle then also got loads more room and we scooshed it.

I think it was a well thought out tactic, and players sometimes have to do the dirty work at points in a game to help the team. Once that is sorted, and we gained control, our class showed.

[hibbysam]

My one criticism would be that, for all the chances and good positions, it falls to the usual suspects to actually put the ball in the net. We could be doing with the likes of Newell and Irvine chipping in between now and the end of the season, it could make all the difference.

Quite liked the fact that Magennis looked like he really wanted a goal when he came on. He probably should have played Nisbet in when he went the other way himself, didn’t mind that at that stage of the game though.

So you liked the fact that Magennis ran into a blind alley and had a shot that was never going to trouble the keeper, yet criticise Newell when he got forward plenty, had one shot first half that was very unlucky to be blocked, and put another more difficult one second half just past the post, as well as sticking it on a plate for the clincher after winning the ball in our box and driving the length of the park. When we score 3 last night, and 2 most weeks, why does it matter who scores and doesn’t score? Goals for Newell don’t count double.

[B.H.F.C]

So you liked the fact that Magennis ran into a blind alley and had a shot that was never going to trouble the keeper, yet criticise Newell when he got forward plenty, had one shot first half that was very unlucky to be blocked, and put another more difficult one second half just past the post, as well as sticking it on a plate for the clincher after winning the ball in our box and driving the length of the park. When we score 3 last night, and 2 most weeks, why does it matter who scores and doesn’t score? Goals for Newell don’t count double.

We’re too reliant on the same players to score. Midfield (all of them) need to be chipping in more. Don’t see what’s overly critical about saying that to be honest. If you’re happy to point out these positive things from last night you’ll happily acknowledge all the weeks that we don’t see that kind of impact in the final third of course. Or maybe not eh.

As for my point on Magennis, I just liked seeing a midfielder showing a bit of intent. If it’s 0-0 at that point, I’m shouting at the telly.

[JimBHibees]

My one criticism would be that, for all the chances and good positions, it falls to the usual suspects to actually put the ball in the net. We could be doing with the likes of Newell and Irvine chipping in between now and the end of the season, it could make all the difference.

Quite liked the fact that Magennis looked like he really wanted a goal when he came on. He probably should have played Nisbet in when he went the other way himself, didn’t mind that at that stage of the game though.

Agree should have scored more and if their guy scores the glorious chance at 1 0 game changes when it should have been 2 or 3 at that point.

[hibbysam]

We’re too reliant on the same players to score. Midfield (all of them) need to be chipping in more. Don’t see what’s overly critical about saying that to be honest. If you’re happy to point out these positive things from last night you’ll happily acknowledge all the weeks that we don’t see that kind of impact in the final third of course. Or maybe not eh.

As for my point on Magennis, I just liked seeing a midfielder showing a bit of intent. If it’s 0-0 at that point, I’m shouting at the telly.

Those players score goals though. I’d far rather Newell feeding Doidge/Nisbet than the other way about. It’s obvious that strikers score the majority of our goals, Boyle played as a winger/wing back last night and scored.

Magennis showed intent, as did Newell twice.

I just don’t understand why we need others to score when we average 2 goals every single game. Surely the way we’re playing is working, when Doidge wasn’t scoring Boyle was, when Boyle wasn’t Nisbet was. Those 3 have nearly 40 goals between them. How many goals are we expecting the team to score?

[MWHIBBIES]

Will do, when he starts doing it more consistently. For now he's a show pony most of the time, someone further up mentioned he was told to get on the ball more at half time, no he was not, he played a bit further forward and did what we all know he can, create and keep the ball moving quickly.

At no time would i imagine the manager told him to keep losing the ball, foul opponents and pass the ball backwards all the time.

I have never said he's all bad, he has great qualities, and when on form is one of the first names on the team sheet.

If he is playing just in front of the back 3/4 then in my opinion he's like a man short, a show pony taking the easy option every time and not influencing the game at all, and we are more open for teams to dominate our midfield, and more importantly, we end up launching the ball forward from either Hanlon or Porto because we've slowed the game down so much, every opposition player has been given time to get back into position.

Get Newell further forward or bring someone else in who can contribute more than he does in that deeper position.
A show pony who takes the easy option every time? That's a new one.

[Crunchie]

Couple of things -

You are right that Newell is so much better at playing the more forward role.

But last night it was obvious that the conditions would play a massive part in the first half - and imo Newell and Irvine were asked to sit a bit more and protect against the (inevitable) balls over the top. I think it was clever and us getting the goal when we did was a bonus.

2nd half, the conditions improved and Newell / Irvine were able to roam forward more, leaving Gogic in the holding role (which he did really well).

No surprise that Doig and Boyle then also got loads more room and we scooshed it.

I think it was a well thought out tactic, and players sometimes have to do the dirty work at points in a game to help the team. Once that is sorted, and we gained control, our class showed.
I think you're absolutely spot on :top marks to the layman like me I just thought we were playing poorly the first half but as you and hibsbollah rightly point out the conditions played a huge part and some people might want to step back and reflect on that when criticising players. Huge credit must go to Jack and the players.

[B.H.F.C]

Those players score goals though. I’d far rather Newell feeding Doidge/Nisbet than the other way about. It’s obvious that strikers score the majority of our goals, Boyle played as a winger/wing back last night and scored.

Magennis showed intent, as did Newell twice.

I just don’t understand why we need others to score when we average 2 goals every single game. Surely the way we’re playing is working, when Doidge wasn’t scoring Boyle was, when Boyle wasn’t Nisbet was. Those 3 have nearly 40 goals between them. How many goals are we expecting the team to score?

Those players can’t and won’t score every week. When they’re snuffed out we need to offer something different because if one of them doesn’t score, we’re toiling. My comment was more general and not just in relation to last night, obviously. It’s not a case of everybody hitting double figures, but players like Newell, Irvine and Murphy (when fit) should be chipping in more often. Specifically relating to Newell, I’m sure even he and Ross spoke about him adding goals to his game earlier in the season.

[Hibernian Verse]

Those players can’t and won’t score every week. When they’re snuffed out we need to offer something different because if one of them doesn’t score, we’re toiling. My comment was more general and not just in relation to last night, obviously. It’s not a case of everybody hitting double figures, but players like Newell, Irvine and Murphy (when fit) should be chipping in more often. Specifically relating to Newell, I’m sure even he and Ross spoke about him adding goals to his game earlier in the season.

We're lucky we have 3 scoring, Barcelona have Messi on 23 goals and the next closest is Griezmann on 8 goals.

[JimBHibees]

that’s not what I heard, when the interviewer said Hibs dominated the 2nd half, he said “it’s easy to play when you are 2-0 up, we should have had a penalty and things would have been very different.”

That's what I heard also. At one point seemed to be arguing they should have been 2 1 up. Claiming it was a penalty was a joke. Also seemed to struggle to give us any credit. Pity they didn't have footage of his and Clarks faces when we broke and scored the second. :greengrin

[B.H.F.C]

We're lucky we have 3 scoring, Barcelona have Messi on 23 goals and the next closest is Griezmann on 8 goals.

And, without looking, a whole clutch of players will likely have chipped in with 2, 3 or 4 goals. Obviously the strikers are going to score the bulk of your goals, my point was just that I think we should be backing them up a bit better. Because, if we can, I think it can really be the difference between a good end to the season and a brilliant end to the season.

[B.H.F.C]

That's what I heard also. At one point seemed to be arguing they should have been 2 1 up. Claiming it was a penalty was a joke. Also seemed to struggle to give us any credit. Pity they didn't have footage of his and Clarks faces when we broke and scored the second. :greengrin

He definitely wasn’t for giving us any credit in that interview.

[hibbysam]

Those players can’t and won’t score every week. When they’re snuffed out we need to offer something different because if one of them doesn’t score, we’re toiling. My comment was more general and not just in relation to last night, obviously. It’s not a case of everybody hitting double figures, but players like Newell, Irvine and Murphy (when fit) should be chipping in more often. Specifically relating to Newell, I’m sure even he and Ross spoke about him adding goals to his game earlier in the season.

It’s not for the want of trying though. And those three are scoring majority of the weeks. Newell for the most part has played this season in a deeper two, dictating the play from deep and allowing the attacking players to do their jobs. Murphy has obviously struggled with fitness but still chipped in with a couple of assists during our good run, and Irvine the same.

I just don’t buy into this sharing goals thing. We’re scoring enough as a team, and where they come from are of no relevance to me. I’d much rather my front three scoring barrowloads with the rest of the team ensuring we aren’t losing any.

[matty_f]

That's what I heard also. At one point seemed to be arguing they should have been 2 1 up. Claiming it was a penalty was a joke. Also seemed to struggle to give us any credit. Pity they didn't have footage of his and Clarks faces when we broke and scored the second. :greengrin

I'm sure when he watches the game back, he'll reassess his view of the penalty incident, never a penalty in a million years.

We were totally dominant in the second half, it was really men against boys - think Queen of the South had the chance at 0-1 that Macey saved, but even that was just a ball over the top that caught us.

The game looked like men against boys once we found our feet in the match, 1-3 flattered Queens.

[JimBHibees]

He definitely wasn’t for giving us any credit in that interview.

Think that is what happens when you have listened to Jeffries for most of your career. :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

I'm sure when he watches the game back, he'll reassess his view of the penalty incident, never a penalty in a million years.

We were totally dominant in the second half, it was really men against boys - think Queen of the South had the chance at 0-1 that Macey saved, but even that was just a ball over the top that caught us.

The game looked like men against boys once we found our feet in the match, 1-3 flattered Queens.

Couldn't agree more. :aok:

[B.H.F.C]

It’s not for the want of trying though. And those three are scoring majority of the weeks. Newell for the most part has played this season in a deeper two, dictating the play from deep and allowing the attacking players to do their jobs. Murphy has obviously struggled with fitness but still chipped in with a couple of assists during our good run, and Irvine the same.

I just don’t buy into this sharing goals thing. We’re scoring enough as a team, and where they come from are of no relevance to me. I’d much rather my front three scoring barrowloads with the rest of the team ensuring we aren’t losing any.

It’s not about sharing the goals, it’s about adding to them. We’ve failed to score in a third of our league games and we’ve certainly not been averaging a couple of goals a game as you say. Better in the cups, albeit against lower league teams.

We’re obviously in a good position, I just think a couple of players stepping up to help out over the next 9 (hopefully) games can make all the difference.

[easty]

We're lucky we have 3 scoring, Barcelona have Messi on 23 goals and the next closest is Griezmann on 8 goals.

Quite a few SPL teams don't have 1 player with 10+ goals this season in all competitions. Celtic have 2. We have 3.

I'm not too concerned about where our goals come from.

[hibbysam]

It’s not about sharing the goals, it’s about adding to them. We’ve failed to score in a third of our league games and we’ve certainly not been averaging a couple of goals a game as you say. Better in the cups, albeit against lower league teams.

We’re obviously in a good position, I just think a couple of players stepping up to help out over the next 9 (hopefully) games can make all the difference.

The difference from what though? From third place? From reaching the latter stages of the cup again? All of which we’ve done when the team haven’t been chipping in? I’d see the point if we were struggling and we weren’t scoring enough goals, the fact we have three in double figures, McGinn has got a few, then we’ve a whole host of players on one isn’t an issue for me.

[B.H.F.C]

The difference from what though? From third place? From reaching the latter stages of the cup again? All of which we’ve done when the team haven’t been chipping in? I’d see the point if we were struggling and we weren’t scoring enough goals, the fact we have three in double figures, McGinn has got a few, then we’ve a whole host of players on one isn’t an issue for me.

The difference between getting over the line for third and winning at Hampden or against a team not from a lower league in the cup.

[calumhibee1]

The difference from what though? From third place? From reaching the latter stages of the cup again? All of which we’ve done when the team haven’t been chipping in? I’d see the point if we were struggling and we weren’t scoring enough goals, the fact we have three in double figures, McGinn has got a few, then we’ve a whole host of players on one isn’t an issue for me.

Maybe extra goals would see us reach even later stages of cup and have Europe tied up even quicker?

Whilst I agree with some of what you say - I’d say I’m somewhere in the middle ground between yourself and BHFC - we always seem to toil with goals from midfield. We could do with guys like Irvine and Newell chipping in more regardless of the fact our 3 main attackers have contributed a decent amount. They’re definitely capable.

[hibbysam]

The difference between getting over the line for third and winning at Hampden or against a team not from a lower league in the cup.

We’ve built up a 7 point lead with what we have so far, I’d say we’re doing fairly well. Our squad has the following; 14 goals, 12 goals, 10 goals, 4 goals, 3 goals, 2 goals and a load on 1 goal. 97% of clubs in Scotland would bite your hand off for that.

[B.H.F.C]

We’ve built up a 7 point lead with what we have so far, I’d say we’re doing fairly well. Our squad has the following; 14 goals, 12 goals, 10 goals, 4 goals, 3 goals, 2 goals and a load on 1 goal. 97% of clubs in Scotland would bite your hand off for that.

I’ve never said we weren’t doing well. Just that I think a few goals from midfield can help us do better.

[hibbysam]

I’ve never said we weren’t doing well. Just that I think a few goals from midfield can help us do better.

We’ve scored (by my calculations) 10 goals from midfield this season - honestly don’t see the problem. Just because they are all spread out. And that’s been without a boy that scored double figures last season from midfield.

[flash]

If we can keep Irvine and get a proper preseason into him I reckon he will become that midfield goal scorer.

[PatHead]

Hopefully McGinnis can add a few next season as well.

It would be great to have another player or two adding a few goals on what could be a very long season.

[blackpoolhibs]

Couple of things -

You are right that Newell is so much better at playing the more forward role.

But last night it was obvious that the conditions would play a massive part in the first half - and imo Newell and Irvine were asked to sit a bit more and protect against the (inevitable) balls over the top. I think it was clever and us getting the goal when we did was a bonus.

2nd half, the conditions improved and Newell / Irvine were able to roam forward more, leaving Gogic in the holding role (which he did really well).

No surprise that Doig and Boyle then also got loads more room and we scooshed it.

I think it was a well thought out tactic, and players sometimes have to do the dirty work at points in a game to help the team. Once that is sorted, and we gained control, our class showed.

My opinion on him has not been formed over 45 minutes last night. He needs to be be involved further forward for me or not start.

[hibbysam]

My opinion on him has not been formed over 45 minutes last night. He needs to be be involved further forward for me or not start.

Thankfully the boss understands that he’s an extremely good player whether further forward or deeper. Integral part of our side and one that can play in many systems.

[HibeeHibernian4]

Worth pointing out that we had a midfielder who contributed with thirteen goals in the only season he was consistently in the team, yet we've loaned him out to Turkey and don't seem to be wanting him back?

[blackpoolhibs]

Thankfully the boss understands that he’s an extremely good player whether further forward or deeper. Integral part of our side and one that can play in many systems.

Ah that old chestnut, I'm sure the manager loves seeing us give up the midfield so often, and understands why.

[Onion]

Good to see the Dobbie non-penalty shown 5 times in the 5 min BBC highlights, and not a single suggestion that Dobbie threw himself to the ground. Almost as if it's going to develop into an obvious pen, given enough showings and enough time :greengrin

[silverhibee]

Hearts released Josh Doig............let that sink in :faf:

Much snappier second half, quicker play, less floating passes, crisp and precise. Good goals too. On a tricky pitch, Joe Newell stepped up and took control of the game, with Gogic doing the dirty work and the simple stuff much better second 45.

Really pleased for Doidge, Boyle was hungry, but for me Doig was excellent first and second half and shows a maturity way beyond his years.

Really hope we can keep Doig for another season before we sell him for mega bucks, the lad has everything that a top English team will want, strong athletic and is learning and taking on board things each game, what a prospect and as you say, the tramps let him go. :greengrin :thumbsup:

[hibbysam]

Ah that old chestnut, I'm sure the manager loves seeing us give up the midfield so often, and understands why.

Even though we don’t.

[jacomo]

I’ve never said we weren’t doing well. Just that I think a few goals from midfield can help us do better.


It’s a circular argument.

We had two midfielders who could score goals for us - Allan and Mallan - and both are currently out on loan.

Maybe there is a way back for one of them, but right now they are out of the picture.

Further back we had Sam Stanton who can definitely score goals but we let him go.

It seems that finding a midfielder who can score goals, and contribute in other ways, and stay fit is an eternal quest!

[Jim44]

Good to see the Dobbie non-penalty shown 5 times in the 5 min BBC highlights, and not a single suggestion that Dobbie threw himself to the ground. Almost as if it's going to develop into an obvious pen, given enough showings and enough time :greengrin

I can’t understand why Dobbie wasn’t booked for obvious simulation.

[bigwheel]

I can’t understand why Dobbie wasn’t booked for obvious simulation.

There was some contact - not enough for a penalty ..but he was off balance and fell over. Didn’t think it was obvious simulation

[hibbysam]

There was some contact - not enough for a penalty ..but he was off balance and fell over. Didn’t think it was obvious simulation

He wasn’t off balance, he felt the arm and collapsed his feet. Simulation isn’t just diving with no contact, it’s also exaggerating a fall to gain an advantage. At no point does an arm touching your chest result in your legs collapsing, not naturally anyway.

[Peevemor]

He wasn’t off balance, he felt the arm and collapsed his feet. Simulation isn’t just diving with no contact, it’s also exaggerating a fall to gain an advantage. At no point does an arm touching your chest result in your legs collapsing, not naturally anyway.I don't think it was the arm at all (which certainly wouldn't have made him fall forward). I think he was either tripped or was pretending that he was tripped. Newell seemed to make very slight contact with his left foot, maybe even standing on his toes. Dobbie went down too easily though.