Hibs 0 Motherwell 2

[Alfred E Newman]

David Tanner nodding off there while old Lex is doing his summary.

[wookie70]

Pity you can't get an away season ticket without buying a home one.

[Brightside]

We will win all out away games and keep 3rd place. Our pitch is appalling. Our level of football at home is miles behind our away games.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Can the admins please put "Bad day at the office" on the swear filter so we don't have to see it every 2nd post.



all you've done is now guarantee the jokers will pounce

[SRHibs]

Performances like this are frustrating but like any team positioned 3rd in the league, we are going to lose games now and then. Motherwell finished 3rd 2 seasons ago, yet still shipped a total of 9 goals over the course of 3 games vs Hamilton, taking 1 point from 9. Last season, Aberdeen lost to plenty of smaller teams at home, and have only just recently got hammered by Ross County, then Livingston.

There was a lack of quality today, not a lack of effort. We are still in the driving seat for 3rd.

I think Doig would've made a huge difference today. They clearly didn't see Stevenson as any sort of threat, as they afforded him all the time in the world to ping balls in from the left, however they were all a bit tame.

[easty]

Performances like this are frustrating but like any team positioned 3rd in the league, we are going to lose games now and then. Motherwell finished 3rd 2 seasons ago, yet still shipped a total of 9 goals over the course of 3 games vs Hamilton, taking 1 point from 9. Last season, Aberdeen lost to plenty of smaller teams at home, and have only just recently got hammered by Ross County, then Livingston.

There was a lack of quality today, not a lack of effort. We are still in the driving seat for 3rd.

I think there was a massive lack of effort by us in the first half.

[Bridge hibs]

This is really crap, and a right sickener given what a win would have meant for the league.

However - to those posters who are just jumping on now to put the boot into a team that've just won 4 on the trot and are sitting in 3rd place, get a grip of yourselves. I'll never understand why some folk just want to revel in misery and do nothing but take swipes at a club they're meant to support. Absolutely cringe worthy.Bang on mate, 3rd in lleague, a shocker by all means today, but **** me the mob of misery are out in force !!

[Magpie]

I’m really disappointed with today but I’m not going to dwell on it too much. We are still 4 points ahead of Aberdeen with a game in hand. Learn from today and move onto the next game.

[Lago]

Gullan scores for Raith.
Strange that his game time at Hibs was so limited

[Iain G]

thankfully no more home games until the split, could we maybe forgo our probable 3 home games after it



ross jack will be dreading the return of fans

So we will be out of the office?

[H18S NX]

Well done Motherwell,deserved the points,we were a shambles today,we really must try and up the pace in our games,today was not a good watch.

[JohnMcM]

Can the admins please put "Bad day at the office" on the swear filter so we don't have to see it every 2nd post.

They can’t, they’re having a bad day at the office:greengrin

[hhibs]

Performances like this are frustrating but like any team positioned 3rd in the league, we are going to lose games now and then. Motherwell finished 3rd 2 seasons ago, yet still shipped a total of 9 goals over the course of 3 games vs Hamilton, taking 1 point from 9. Last season, Aberdeen lost to plenty of smaller teams at home, and have only just recently got hammered by Ross County, then Livingston.

There was a lack of quality today, not a lack of effort. We are still in the driving seat for 3rd.

I think Doig would've made a huge difference today. They clearly didn't see Stevenson as any sort of threat, as they afforded him all the time in the world to ping balls in from the left, however they were all a bit tame.




Yep thought that myself,we missed young Josh ,his energy and attitude might just of got the team going....which is a pretty awful indictment on the other players.

[scoopyboy]

Correct. He was only on for 2 mins and banged one in on 91 mins.

Wonder why he wasn't on for the first 89, there has to be a reason surely

[Hibernia&Alba]

Motherwell a very poor team and struggling; Hibs at home and going for a third place finish. Yes, our act of charity was inevitable. How many times have we seen it? Today was a real chance to build a nice points gap over Aberdeen...

[A Hi-Bee]

So we will be out of the office?

Not if working from home..:grr::grr:

[Sir David Gray]

One of the biggest issues for me is our inability to come from behind and win. I realise most teams will go on to win if they go ahead in a game but since we went 1-0 down at home to Hamilton on 22nd January last year and came back to win 2-1 our record, we have been behind in 15 league games and our record is;

W - 0
D - 4
L - 11

For comparison, during the same period, we have failed to win 6 games where we have had the lead at some point in the match - 4 draws and 2 defeats.

[B.H.F.C]

3 tough away games now up to the split. Strangely we seem to get better results away from home.

Maybe down to not having this ‘we don’t need certain players at home to certain teams’ attitude.

[1875Sean]

Strange that his game time at Hibs was so limited

To be fair he was on the bench for Raith, if he isn’t starting for them he shouldn’t be in our first team

[NAE NOOKIE]

That was brutal, the first goal was always coming as we started like a team who either couldn't be arsed or thought we just had to turn up to win and we blew any chance of a comeback by giving away a piss poor goal straight after half time.

We have a striker who looks like he couldn't score in a barrel o' fannies and another one justifying his 3 million quid price tag by being kept out of the team by that striker.

The bottom line is every time we put together a run of form we screw it up by losing to teams we should be beating, every time we are presented with a chance to open the gap with Aberdeen, as we were today, we blow it. Third place is still in our hands, but unless we can fix this habit of failing to capitalise on opportunities to put ourselves out of sight I wouldn't go celebrating 3rd just yet ..... frustrating isn't the word :brickwall

[Alfred E Newman]

Motherwell a very poor team and struggling; Hibs at home and going for a third place finish. Yes, our act of charity was inevitable. How many times have we seen it? Today was a real chance to build a nice points gap over Aberdeen...

They were not poor today though. Whether that was down to the Hibs formation or lack of urgency is up for debate but they were up for it from the start and fully deserved their win.

[BILLYHIBS]

Love how Joe Joe Super Joe keeps calling Lexo ‘Boss’ :greengrin

Best two players he ever played with at Easter Road?

John Collins and Michael O’Neill

[Alfred E Newman]

We will win all out away games and keep 3rd place. Our pitch is appalling. Our level of football at home is miles behind our away games.

The pitch didn't seem to hamper Motherwell.

[Hibernia&Alba]

One of the biggest issues for me is our inability to come from behind and win. I realise most teams will go on to win if they go ahead in a game but since we went 1-0 down at home to Hamilton on 22nd January last year and came back to win 2-1 our record, we have been behind in 15 league games and our record is;

W - 0
D - 4
L - 11

For comparison, during the same period, we have failed to win 6 games where we have had the lead at some point in the match - 4 draws and 2 defeats.


Very good point :top marks

[Since452]

I know we won a cup under Alex Miller and he left a long, long time ago but I still can't get over the playing for a draw tactics against the likes of Raith Rovers and derby record. Annoyed at myself for holding it against the man but I do.

[Hibees1973]

My thinking prior today was that Aberdeen would definitely lose.

I was thinking way ahead that if we won today 3rd would be within touching distance. Couldn’t help contemplating a couple of European trips later in the year (hopefully better placed with covid).

As I got a bit ahead of myself I then realised we would blow it.

All we have done is give Aberdeen more hope. McInnes has said that on Radio Scotland just now.

Next 3 games are away which probably is not a bad thing given our pitch is a bloody disgrace.

God I hope we get 3rd.

[A Hi-Bee]

That was brutal, the first goal was always coming as we started like a team who either couldn't be arsed or thought we just had to turn up to win and we blew any chance of a comeback by giving away a piss poor goal straight after half time.

We have a striker who looks like he couldn't score in a barrel o' fannies and another one justifying his 3 million quid price tag by being kept out of the team by that striker.

The bottom line is every time we put together a run of form we screw it up by losing to teams we should be beating, every time we are presented with a chance to open the gap with Aberdeen, as we were today, we blow it. Third place is still in our hands, but unless we can fix this habit of failing to capitalise on opportunities to put ourselves out of sight I wouldn't go celebrating 3rd just yet ..... frustrating isn't the word :brickwall

Hibs at their best we **** up with a surprising regularity it is more than just frustrating it is ****ing awful at times.:fuming::fuming:

[Since452]

One of the biggest issues for me is our inability to come from behind and win. I realise most teams will go on to win if they go ahead in a game but since we went 1-0 down at home to Hamilton on 22nd January last year and came back to win 2-1 our record, we have been behind in 15 league games and our record is;

W - 0
D - 4
L - 11

For comparison, during the same period, we have failed to win 6 games where we have had the lead at some point in the match - 4 draws and 2 defeats.

Scoring first against us is as good as a win for the opposition.

[A Hi-Bee]

I know we won a cup under Alex Miller and he left a long, long time ago but I still can't get over the playing for a draw tactics against the likes of Raith Rovers and derby record. Annoyed at myself for holding it against the man but I do.

Dont worry about it once a hun always a hun...
:greengrin

[Stuart93]

Seen today coming, team badly needing three points and are known for their hard working midfield and we just can’t seem to deal with that at Easter road especially. 7 wins in 16 at home isn’t good enough. Today was unfortunately typical of us when we had a great chance to really consolidate 3rd place & I’d thought we’d moved on from results like we’d had beforehand vs livi & Ross county

Oh well, beer opened dinner on best not to let it ruin your Saturday. Massive game next week now.

[Hibernia&Alba]

They were not poor today though. Whether that was down to the Hibs formation or lack of urgency is up for debate but they were up for it from the start and fully deserved their win.

Yes, Motherwell fully deserved to win, which makes it even more annoying. They outplayed us.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

6 wins from 17 home league matches.

Probably the fans fault.

[James70]

Can't blame the pitch as it's the same for both sides.Can't blame the fans for getting on the players backs. Jack Ross is the man who picks the team and decides on formation and tactics. Our home form has been completely unacceptable,not just the odd loss to a top 6 side but to teams struggling at the bottom. Can he not see what the problem is and fix it?

[BSEJVT]

Doidge has been appalling today and has been for most of the season, 3rd place or not he is no where near good enough to be a regular starter for us. His finishing, as a centre forward is embarrassing. Even his goals last season about 80% of them were Sclaffs, hit off him or bundled over the line from 2 yards, nearly missing

Couldn’t agree more

[J-C]

Has Ross said anything after the game, I switched it off when the final whistle went.

[Allez Hibs]

One of the biggest issues for me is our inability to come from behind and win. I realise most teams will go on to win if they go ahead in a game but since we went 1-0 down at home to Hamilton on 22nd January last year and came back to win 2-1 our record, we have been behind in 15 league games and our record is;

W - 0
D - 4
L - 11

For comparison, during the same period, we have failed to win 6 games where we have had the lead at some point in the match - 4 draws and 2 defeats.

Jack Dross football right there.

[Peevemor]

Jack Dross football right there.GTF with that pish!

[Billy Whizz]

Has Ross said anything after the game, I switched it off when the final whistle went.

Nothing on bbc Scotland either

[hibsbollah]

Jack Dross football right there.

I think you’re just having a bad day at the office, it will come good.

[Stevie Reid]

After the Livi loss at home we were three points behind Aberdeen, who had a game in hand. Been a good few weeks, today was very disappointing but we are still in better form than Aberdeen.

[Allez Hibs]

One of the biggest issues for me is our inability to come from behind and win. I realise most teams will go on to win if they go ahead in a game but since we went 1-0 down at home to Hamilton on 22nd January last year and came back to win 2-1 our record, we have been behind in 15 league games and our record is;

W - 0
D - 4
L - 11

For comparison, during the same period, we have failed to win 6 games where we have had the lead at some point in the match - 4 draws and 2 defeats.

Not to mention two Cup Semi Finals we went behind in too.

[Allez Hibs]

GTF with that pish!

Bad day at the office?

[Allez Hibs]

I think you’re just having a bad day at the office, it will come good.

Indeed, small margins.

[Just_Jimmy]

still 4 points clear with a game in hand.

no drama yet.

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[Robbo6-2]

Who is actually surprised by the result and performance.

Been on cards all season.

Yes we are in 3rd place but if anyone actually enjoys the football on show they are telling porkies.
We have played loads of times like today and manage to scrap the 3 points. Your luck will run out eventually.

[Lago]

To be fair he was on the bench for Raith, if he isn’t starting for them he shouldn’t be in our first team
I know, but he's only just back at Starks Park, I think he'll be getting a start soon.

[Peevemor]

Bad day at the office?It got worse after you appeared.

We must have lost or something.

[Jones28]

Jack Dross football right there.

Can we drop the Jack Dross pish please? It’s not helpful or insightful and winds folk up.

[hibbysam]

One of the biggest issues for me is our inability to come from behind and win. I realise most teams will go on to win if they go ahead in a game but since we went 1-0 down at home to Hamilton on 22nd January last year and came back to win 2-1 our record, we have been behind in 15 league games and our record is;

W - 0
D - 4
L - 11

For comparison, during the same period, we have failed to win 6 games where we have had the lead at some point in the match - 4 draws and 2 defeats.

Not a whole lot of difference then other than 2 defeats when leading? Out of curiosity who were they against? And how many have we won after leading?

[Peevemor]

Can we drop the Jack Dross pish please? It’s not helpful or insightful and winds folk up.He'll be pleased with himself then.

[Heisenberg]

Can we drop the Jack Dross pish please? It’s not helpful or insightful and winds folk up.

I think that last part is exactly why a certain few posters have picked it up and run with it.

We’ve been poor in a number of games this season (like all teams) but we are 3rd in the league. The manager certainly doesn’t deserve the ***** nickname treatment at this stage.

[Hiber-nation]

Who is actually surprised by the result and performance.

Been on cards all season.

Yes we are in 3rd place but if anyone actually enjoys the football on show they are telling porkies.
We have played loads of times like today and manage to scrap the 3 points. Your luck will run out eventually.

I keep trying to convince myself that the style of football is fine and its no fans, not being there and watching on a crap stream that makes it worse. But I'm not so sure. It's enough to get 3rd on away form which has been great but there have been quite a few really poor performances this season, all at home bar the Cup semi.

[Allez Hibs]

Can we drop the Jack Dross pish please? It’s not helpful or insightful and winds folk up.

Not a wind up. But on the other hand are lifelong Hibs fans not allowed to be dissapointed by stats posted on this thread and stats that have been discussed at length on other threads.

Tomorrow St Johnstone can become Scotland's 2nd most successful club since 2010 by doing the cup double and being the only other club to win 2 or more major trophies. That's remarkable.

The stats about when Hibs go behind are eye opening as look at the game last week when the three points were handed on a plate. It just seems that we can't grind a result out and when we go behind forget it.

Trends suggest that we need to pick up points before the top 6 as we all know our record against top 6 sides whoever they may be. Looking like Old Firm at Home and Aberdeen at Pittodrie.

[Cat Stanton]

Jack Dross football right there.

What do you do when Hibs win? Sit miserably depressed, drumming your fingers, waiting desperately until the next time you can moan about the manager?

Jeezo, what tiresome pish.

[Ronniekirk]

The pitch didn't seem to hamper Motherwell.

Exactly we need to stop using this as an excuse
Motherwell were spot on with formation tactics and attitude Played some decent football and score two well worked goals
They then defended well although we made it easy fir them but playing in so many crosses that they won’t most of the time
We were poor but still created a few decent chances but didn’t tAke them
We just didn’t look confident which is strange off the back of four wins
Out muscled in midfield in first half


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[Allez Hibs]

What do you do when Hibs win? Sit miserably depressed, drumming your fingers, waiting desperately until the next time you can moan about the manager?

Jeezo, what tiresome pish.

I'm curious now, so we are not allowed to criticise the manager?

[Jones28]

Not a wind up. But on the other hand are lifelong Hibs fans not allowed to be dissapointed by stats posted on this thread and stats that have been discussed at length on other threads.

Tomorrow St Johnstone can become Scotland's 2nd most successful club since 2010 by doing the cup double and being the only other club to win 2 or more major trophies. That's remarkable.

The stats about when Hibs go behind are eye opening as look at the game last week when the three points were handed on a plate. It just seems that we can't grind a result out and when we go behind forget it.

Trends suggest that we need to pick up points before the top 6 as we all know our record against top 6 sides whoever they may be. Looking like Old Firm at Home and Aberdeen at Pittodrie.

All valid points. But youre giving a manager a pathetic nick name when we are clear in third. Why?

[hibbysam]

Not a wind up. But on the other hand are lifelong Hibs fans not allowed to be dissapointed by stats posted on this thread and stats that have been discussed at length on other threads.

Tomorrow St Johnstone can become Scotland's 2nd most successful club since 2010 by doing the cup double and being the only other club to win 2 or more major trophies. That's remarkable.

The stats about when Hibs go behind are eye opening as look at the game last week when the three points were handed on a plate. It just seems that we can't grind a result out and when we go behind forget it.

Trends suggest that we need to pick up points before the top 6 as we all know our record against top 6 sides whoever they may be. Looking like Old Firm at Home and Aberdeen at Pittodrie.

We can’t grind out results? The biggest criticism of the team this season has been ‘grinding out results while playing poorly’. We’ve won 7 times by a single goal this season.

18 games this season we have led in the league, 15 wins 3 draws (2 vs old firm and one the last minute equaliser by United). It seems it’s quite common that the team that scores first don't generally lose the game.

[Allez Hibs]

All valid points. But youre giving a manager a pathetic nick name when we are clear in third. Why?

Think the points in my post cover my doubts.

[Peevemor]

Think the points in my post cover my doubts.Hopefully we'll win our next match and you'll disappear again.

[Hiber-nation]

Today shows how much we rely on Martin Boyle. His first 2 dribbles took him straight into the Motherwell defender and after that he struggled. For some players today just giving it to Boyle was too easy an option.

[Jones28]

Think the points in my post cover my doubts.

But we’re third?

Anyway welcome back, nice to see you again after you so kindly ****ed off for February.

[Sir David Gray]

Not a whole lot of difference then other than 2 defeats when leading? Out of curiosity who were they against? And how many have we won after leading?

At Ibrox and Pittodrie last season - probably some mitigating circumstances for both to be fair since one was against Rangers and the other one at Pittodrie was after we went down to 10 men.

We have gone on to win 17 of the 23 league games in this period where we have had the lead.

[hibbysam]

At Ibrox and Pittodrie last season - probably some mitigating circumstances for both to be fair since one was against Rangers and the other one at Pittodrie was after we went down to 10 men.

We have gone on to win 17 of the 23 league games in this period where we have had the lead.

Just worked out our stats when scoring first this season 15 wins and 3 draws. It’s a reason I wouldn’t use the ‘not turning losing the first goal into a win’ as a stick to beat Ross with, no team seems to do so.

[Heisenberg]

Just worked out our stats when scoring first this season 15 wins and 3 draws. It’s a reason I wouldn’t use the ‘not turning losing the first goal into a win’ as a stick to beat Ross with, no team seems to do so.

Sure Stephen Robinson said the same just before he left Motherwell, think it was something like 90% of teams will go on to win/draw in this league if they take the lead. I have no idea how true that is and do not have the patience to properly look into it.

[Billy Whizz]

67% possession today, really surprised it was that high

[Ronniekirk]

67% possession today, really surprised it was that high

In the second half when they were 2 0 Uo they were content to let us have possession as they seemed to be able to contain us with ease primarily by putting two sometime three guy on Boyle


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[Hibiza]

I like Jack Ross but he never manages to change a game. Been proved ,unfortunately many times.

[Peevemor]

I like Jack Ross but he never manages to change a game. Been proved ,unfortunately many times.Never? There's been a few times that he's changed things for the better.

[Smartie]

Never? There's been a few times that he's changed things for the better.

There seemed to be more instances last season but I feel like we’re beaten every time we go behind.

It just seems to be the way his teams play - get in front and they normally have just about enough to stay there, go behind and it’s a struggle to find a way back into the game as it becomes a bit desperate.

[Clarence]

There seemed to be more instances last season but I feel like we’re beaten every time we go behind.

It just seems to be the way his teams play - get in front and they normally have just about enough to stay there, go behind and it’s a struggle to find a way back into the game as it becomes a bit desperate.

That’s a decent observation. I honk that’s what people find most frustrating with this team. We seem to lack a bit of bouncebackability when we go behind.

[Peevemor]

That’s a decent observation. I honk that’s what people find most frustrating with this team. We seem to lack a bit of bouncebackability when we go behind.Beep beep?

[Hibiza]

Not a wind up. But on the other hand are lifelong Hibs fans not allowed to be dissapointed by stats posted on this thread and stats that have been discussed at length on other threads.

Tomorrow St Johnstone can become Scotland's 2nd most successful club since 2010 by doing the cup double and being the only other club to win 2 or more major trophies. That's remarkable.

The stats about when Hibs go behind are eye opening as look at the game last week when the three points were handed on a plate. It just seems that we can't grind a result out and when we go behind forget it.

Trends suggest that we need to pick up points before the top 6 as we all know our record against top 6 sides whoever they may be. Looking like Old Firm at Home and Aberdeen at Pittodrie.

Great post. Spot on

[Clarence]

Beep beep?

Haha. I wondered what you were on about then realised that I had goosed my post up.

[Sir David Gray]

Just worked out our stats when scoring first this season 15 wins and 3 draws. It’s a reason I wouldn’t use the ‘not turning losing the first goal into a win’ as a stick to beat Ross with, no team seems to do so.

It's a wee bit different from the measurement I was using which was "going behind at any time".

I've had a look at the other teams this season when they have gone behind in a game and I believe it's;

Aberdeen;

W - 2
D - 1
L - 9

Celtic;

W - 3
D - 4
L - 4

Dundee Utd;

W - 2
D - 2
L - 12

Hamilton

W - 1
D - 4
L - 17

Kilmarnock

W - 1
D - 3
L - 20

Livingston

W - 2
D - 3
L - 11

Motherwell

W - 1
D - 0
L - 15

Rangers

W - 1
D - 2
L - 0

Ross County

W - 1
D - 2
L - 18

St Johnstone

W - 2
D - 4
L - 13

St Mirren

W - 1
D - 4
L - 12

[hibbysam]

It's a wee bit different from the measurement I was using which was "going behind at any time".

I've had a look at the other teams this season when they have gone behind in a game and I believe it's;

Aberdeen;

W - 2
D - 1
L - 9

Celtic;

W - 3
D - 4
L - 4

Dundee Utd;

W - 2
D - 2
L - 12

Hamilton

W - 1
D - 4
L - 17

Kilmarnock

W - 1
D - 3
L - 20

Livingston

W - 2
D - 3
L - 11

Motherwell

W - 1
D - 0
L - 15

Rangers

W - 1
D - 2
L - 0

Ross County

W - 1
D - 2
L - 18

St Johnstone

W - 2
D - 4
L - 13

St Mirren

W - 1
D - 4
L - 12

No sure if I want us to go behind a few more times so we can get that win on the board or hope we go in front in the rest of our games to avoid that issue 😂 but yeah, the 90% that someone quoted Robinson on earlier seems fairly accurate.

[Bangkok Hibby]

Sorry but you are an absolute slaver, why embarrass yourself so much on a public forum ? No wonder you are ridiculed by so many on here 😆

No need! As you say its a public forum. The guy has opinions, sometimes overly negative, many times spot on. I'm sure he's not embarrassed.
If this place was full of overt positivity after every crap performance that would be embarrassing.

[NOLA]

If we don’t score first we are toast. Horrible


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[Clarence]

It's a wee bit different from the measurement I was using which was "going behind at any time".

I've had a look at the other teams this season when they have gone behind in a game and I believe it's;

Aberdeen;

W - 2
D - 1
L - 9

Celtic;

W - 3
D - 4
L - 4

Dundee Utd;

W - 2
D - 2
L - 12

Hamilton

W - 1
D - 4
L - 17

Kilmarnock

W - 1
D - 3
L - 20

Livingston

W - 2
D - 3
L - 11

Motherwell

W - 1
D - 0
L - 15

Rangers

W - 1
D - 2
L - 0

Ross County

W - 1
D - 2
L - 18

St Johnstone

W - 2
D - 4
L - 13

St Mirren

W - 1
D - 4
L - 12

That’s eye opening and a bit of an indictment of our sport. I wonder it home teams are now less likely to make a comeback with fans being absent from stadia.

[Bridge hibs]

No need! As you say its a public forum. The guy has opinions, sometimes overly negative, many times spot on. I'm sure he's not embarrassed.
If this place was full of overt positivity after every crap performance that would be embarrassing.Yes, correct, Ive removed my post, still no need for the Jack Dross crap though, a bit immature and just a cheap shot, yes the performance was a shocker yesterday but the players played the biggest part of that

[Bangkok Hibby]

Yes, correct, Ive removed my post, still no need for the Jack Dross crap though, a bit immature and just a cheap shot, yes the performance was a shocker yesterday but the players played the biggest part of that

Indeed, it can all get a bit silly can't it.
Big of you to remove the post. We are all Hibs despite our varying take on games/players. Some get way more frustrated than others and that's OK 🙏🏻

[Crunchie]

I wish Cliff would just commentate and keep his words of wisdom to himself. He's doing my nut in.

If I was sitting next to him I'd move.
Try listening to him on radio commentary it's chronic. Jock Brown does the Motherwell tv, it's like night and day to ours.

[Dalianwanda]

I'm curious now, so we are not allowed to criticise the manager?

You can criticise all you want (and you do)..Calling him names is just a bit infantile though and does nothing but detract from other points you make.

[Crunchie]

As dissapointing as it is, like countless other games in our history we'll consign this one to the bin, dust ourselves off and go again. It happens.
Spot on mate, some will find it another unforgivable defeat though :confused:

[Dmas]

Spot on mate, some will find it another unforgivable defeat though :confused:

The unforgivable thing isn’t getting beat, we’re hibs there’s no one here thinking we’ll win every game, what is unforgivable for me anyway is how we are consistently out worked by teams, Motherwell livi ross county st.j all recent examples of teams working hard for each other and playing to a high tempo making us look rank rotten.

I’m sure the manager isn’t sending the team out to be playing that slowly at least I hope he’s not so why is it happening so much

[Crunchie]

The unforgivable thing isn’t getting beat, we’re hibs there’s no one here thinking we’ll win every game, what is unforgivable for me anyway is how we are consistently out worked by teams, Motherwell livi ross county st.j all recent examples of teams working hard for each other and playing to a high tempo making us look rank rotten.

I’m sure the manager isn’t sending the team out to be playing that slowly at least I hope he’s not so why is it happening so much
I'm certain Jack is raging at the soft goals we concede, and the sitters being missed, there's only so much he can do once the game starts. I have complete confidence in Jack as manager to sort it out.

[calumhibee1]

I'm certain Jack is raging at the soft goals we concede, and the sitters being missed, there's only so much he can do once the game starts. I have complete confidence in Jack as manager to sort it out.

Of course. But when we seem to be developing a habit of these type of performances then we need to work on it before the game starts. For the great position we find ourselves in we seem to have developed a bit of a habit of throwing in fairly frequent abominations.

[Sir David Gray]

That’s eye opening and a bit of an indictment of our sport. I wonder it home teams are now less likely to make a comeback with fans being absent from stadia.

Now the stats where teams specifically lose the first goal rather than just go behind at any time in a match;

Aberdeen

W - 2
D - 0
L - 9

Celtic

W - 3
D - 4
L - 4

Dundee Utd

W - 2
D - 2
L - 11

Hamilton

W - 1
D - 4
L - 15

Hibs

W - 0
D - 2
L - 8

Kilmarnock

W - 1
D - 3
L - 17

Livingston

W - 2
D - 2
L - 8

Motherwell

W - 1
D - 0
L - 14

Rangers

W - 1
D - 2
L - 0

Ross County

W - 1
D - 1
L - 16

St Johnstone

W - 2
D - 4
L - 10

St Mirren

W - 1
D - 4
L - 10

[G B Young]

Of course. But when we seem to be developing a habit of these type of performances then we need to work on it before the game starts. For the great position we find ourselves in we seem to have developed a bit of a habit of throwing in fairly frequent abominations.

I didn't see yesterday's game and by some accounts we weren't as awful as we were in the Ross County and Livi home defeats, but you're right about the way we seem to drop in these sort of dire results too regularly. It's as though you sense the players feel that four wins on the bounce is enough to have made up for the previous bad run and that they can down tools again. While I like Jack Ross and think that overall he's doing a good job I rarely feel I can adopt a confident mentality about this Hibs team.

I do wonder how big an impact the lack of crowds has had in terms of negating home advantage, but by and large we'll would suffer at most a couple of dismal home defeats to clubs well below us in the table during normal times. This season you just feel we could slip up to anyone. Strangely enough the one game I felt confident about of late was the win over Aberdeen, on paper a far tougher challenge than yesterday's.

What's the issue? Tactics? Mentality? I've asked it before, but why is that when we slip up the whole team appears to suffer a collective off-day? I don't expect footballers to play at the top of their game every week but you'd think that, bearing in mind we're good enough to be sitting in third place after nearly 30 games, if a couple of players were off form then the rest would be able to shoulder the responsibility of securing three points against we should be beating.

All very frustrating. Even drawing those County, Livi and Motherwell home games would have ensured we were sitting a lot more comfortably.

[Dmas]

I didn't see yesterday's game and by some accounts we weren't as awful as we were in the Ross County and Livi home defeats, but you're right about the way we seem to drop in these sort of dire results too regularly. It's as though you sense the players feel that four wins on the bounce is enough to have made up for the previous bad run and that they can down tools again. While I like Jack Ross and think that overall he's doing a good job I rarely feel I can adopt a confident mentality about this Hibs team.

I do wonder how big an impact the lack of crowds has had in terms of negating home advantage, but by and large we'll would suffer at most a couple of dismal home defeats to clubs well below us in the table during normal times. This season you just feel we could slip up to anyone. Strangely enough the one game I felt confident about of late was the win over Aberdeen, on paper a far tougher challenge than yesterday's.

What's the issue? Tactics? Mentality? I've asked it before, but why is that when we slip up the whole team appears to suffer a collective off-day? I don't expect footballers to play at the top of their game every week but you'd think that, bearing in mind we're good enough to be sitting in third place after nearly 30 games, if a couple of players were off form then the rest would be able to shoulder the responsibility of securing three points against we should be beating.

All very frustrating. Even drawing those County, Livi and Motherwell home games would have ensured we were sitting a lot more comfortably.

Yesterday’s game was over on 46mins it didn’t look as awful because we where casing the game for so long but those 46mins Motherwell blitzed is let’s not make excuses, over ran us completely and the warning signs where there a good 10mins before the first goal was scored but the team didn’t seem to try and match that, I’m not blaming JR for me he put out a better team than Motherwell my gripe is why the players in hibs shirts don’t step it up in times like this, the ross county game we where harried and hunted forced into mistakes but we still tried to Labour about the ball was slow moving etc etc why? Paul Hanlon a few times in the first half yesterday made some decent dribbles out tight spaces of 3/4 Motherwell players hounding him how come neither of those times did we exploit any gaps in their team, too many times it comes across as teams wanting the points more than we do it’s ridiculous

[Allez Hibs]

Of course. But when we seem to be developing a habit of these type of performances then we need to work on it before the game starts. For the great position we find ourselves in we seem to have developed a bit of a habit of throwing in fairly frequent abominations.

We clearly have a good squad in relative terms to the rest of the league, and when we've had similar good squads before 7 or 8 times out of 10 we would get run of the mill league games at home won against the lesser sides effectively won in the first 30 mins or first half. Winning convincingly against these teams. That's where we want to get to, as for whatever reason the home record isn't great. Combine that with our away form and we'd be doing really well.

I do agree it's tiring and not always relevant criticising the manager. Do the players need to have more of a stronger mentality as Jack Ross has mentioned they need to realise how good they are?

[MWHIBBIES]

The unforgivable thing isn’t getting beat, we’re hibs there’s no one here thinking we’ll win every game, what is unforgivable for me anyway is how we are consistently out worked by teams, Motherwell livi ross county st.j all recent examples of teams working hard for each other and playing to a high tempo making us look rank rotten.

I’m sure the manager isn’t sending the team out to be playing that slowly at least I hope he’s not so why is it happening so much

So much? Its happening a lot less than most Hibs managers for the last 50 years.

[Dmas]

So much? Its happening a lot less than most Hibs managers for the last 50 years.

Aye ok we’re having a good season so yesterday RC, Livi, St.J those performances don’t matter?

We where 12 points behind Celtic at one point there’s 9 points from
3 home games that we should have banked a good season could have been a lot better eh

[MWHIBBIES]

Aye ok we’re having a good season so yesterday RC, Livi, St.J those performances don’t matter?

We where 12 points behind Celtic at one point there’s 9 points from
3 home games that we should have banked a good season could have been a lot better eh

No, I never that that.

Obviously we should've won them but maybe we shouldn't have won a few other games. In this season, with no fans, and our managers first full year, saying we ''should'' win games is based purely on size of clubs etc and not too much logic. Celtic have no doubt dropped many points they should've got as well. Mentioning us finishing 2nd is just silly, massive expectation and no something that should be held against the side in any way.

This league season has been really positive. The team don't need ''if you won this or that game'' patter right now. They need full support to achieve European groupstages, something with the potentially to massively move the club forward.

[Dmas]

No, I never that that.

Obviously we should've won them but maybe we shouldn't have won a few other games. In this season, with no fans, and our managers first full year, saying we ''should'' win games is based purely on size of clubs etc and not too much logic. Celtic have no doubt dropped many points they should've got as well. Mentioning us finishing 2nd is just silly, massive expectation and no something that should be held against the side in any way.

This league season has been really positive. The team don't need ''if you won this or that game'' patter right now. They need full support to achieve European groupstages, something with the potentially to massively move the club forward.

I never said anything about finishing 2nd what I did say was beating teams below us in the league at home would have made a good season better, finishing 2nd would be silly but as a fan even a few weeks of hibs putting pressure on Celtic would have been great wouldn’t it.

Again I don’t expect to win them all, but I don’t expect to turn up and see us out worked and out fought by teams below us as consistent as it’s becoming, how can we expect to make group stages of EL if we cant adjust to a tempo of a game?

[MWHIBBIES]

I never said anything about finishing 2nd what I did say was beating teams below us in the league at home would have made a good season better, finishing 2nd would be silly but as a fan even a few weeks of hibs putting pressure on Celtic would have been great wouldn’t it.

Again I don’t expect to win them all, but I don’t expect to turn up and see us out worked and out fought by teams below us as consistent as it’s becoming, how can we expect to make group stages of EL if we cant adjust to a tempo of a game?

Its not becoming consistent. Since our promotion Hamilton, Kilmarnock, Motherwell, Ross County, St Mirren and Livi have a combined 4 wins at Easter Road. 3 of them during this dreadfully unpredictable season in which we have away form better than most title winners over the last 20 years.

[hibsbollah]

Im reading this thread and it boils down to, sometimes you lose some games. How many games you lose depends on how good you are. We're better than we've been for a long time, but we dont win every game. There are lots of factors as to why we lose some games. Some people get angrier than other people when we lose games. Thats basically it.

[blackpoolhibs]

Im reading this thread and it boils down to, sometimes you lose some games. How many games you lose depends on how good you are. We're better than we've been for a long time, but we dont win every game. There are lots of factors as to why we lose some games. Some people get angrier than other people when we lose games. Thats basically it.
:greengrin:top marks

[Onion]

Im reading this thread and it boils down to, sometimes you lose some games. How many games you lose depends on how good you are. We're better than we've been for a long time, but we dont win every game. There are lots of factors as to why we lose some games. Some people get angrier than other people when we lose games. Thats basically it.

Accepted but losing 0-2, 0-3 at home to struggling teams is not normal even for Hibs and that's maybe why folk are getting a tad fractious. Every game feels like a lottery, whether it's Celtic or Hamilton at the moment and it has more to do with Hibs attitude than the opposition. This season especially, we seem to be winning games we expect to draw or lose and losing games we should be winning.

[blackpoolhibs]

Accepted but losing 0-2, 0-3 at home to struggling teams is not normal even for Hibs and that's maybe why folk are getting a tad fractious. Every game feels like a lottery, whether it's Celtic or Hamilton at the moment and it has more to do with Hibs attitude than the opposition. This season especially, we seem to be winning games we expect to draw or lose and losing games we should be winning.

I disagree, this season we are just winning more games than we normally do, which give some folk more hope than they should realistically have.

So when we do lose a game, it's a disaster of horrendous proportions.

[Clarence]

Now the stats where teams specifically lose the first goal rather than just go behind at any time in a match;

Aberdeen

W - 2
D - 0
L - 9

Celtic

W - 3
D - 4
L - 4

Dundee Utd

W - 2
D - 2
L - 11

Hamilton

W - 1
D - 4
L - 15

Hibs

W - 0
D - 2
L - 8

Kilmarnock

W - 1
D - 3
L - 17

Livingston

W - 2
D - 2
L - 8

Motherwell

W - 1
D - 0
L - 14

Rangers

W - 1
D - 2
L - 0

Ross County

W - 1
D - 1
L - 16

St Johnstone

W - 2
D - 4
L - 10

St Mirren

W - 1
D - 4
L - 10

That’s the key stat for me. That’s why I start to tidy the messy cupboard or rearrange my sock drawer when we lose the first goal. This will be a big factor in the perception of Jack Ross by a number of fans who see him as not turning up for big games. It’s not that we don’t turn up, as we have had a good points return, it’s that we may as well stick on the hollyoaks omnibus if we lose the first goal.

[hibbysam]

That’s the key stat for me. That’s why I start to tidy the messy cupboard or rearrange my sock drawer when we lose the first goal. This will be a big factor in the perception of Jack Ross by a number of fans who see him as not turning up for big games. It’s not that we don’t turn up, as we have had a good points return, it’s that we may as well stick on the hollyoaks omnibus if we lose the first goal.

And if we score the first goal you can do all the same things as it’s a given that we will go on to win the game. My house is going to be spotless every Saturday now 😂

[cabbageandribs1875]

has anyone worked out as to why we're not great at ER :confused: some blame the pitch, same for both teams i say, when we're away the home side is obliged to attack more but that's twice this season Motherwell have been the better side at Easter Road imo, Hamilton last game up until going down to ten, looked the better side, indeed even with only 10 they impressed me, so what is wrong with some of our home performances, tactics, or what :dunno:

[we are hibs]

has anyone worked out as to why we're not great at ER :confused: some blame the pitch, same for both teams i say, when we're away the home side is obliged to attack more but that's twice this season Motherwell have been the better side at Easter Road imo, Hamilton last game up until going down to ten, looked the better side, indeed even with only 10 they impressed me, so what is wrong with some of our home performances, tactics, or what :dunno:Well its obviously not the fans at fault as so many on here were quick to rush too for years with their "toxic support" pish. Actually think the players miss the fans. They give them a kick up the arse when needed but can also spur the team on when they see something to get behind and encourage.


Its probably because we dont know how to break teams down when we have most of the ball. We are far more suited to counter attacking with the players we have. We really need scott allan up to speed and starting games as players like him can be the difference with his vision and passing ability when at Easter Road. We also seriously lack a plan B. Plan A seems to be get the ball outwide and hope for the best. But as soon as teams double up on the wings we look completely lost.




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[cabbageandribs1875]

Well its obviously not the fans at fault as so many on here were quick to rush too for years with their "toxic support" pish. Actually think the players miss the fans. They give them a kick up the arse when needed but can also spur the team on when they see something to get behind and encourage.


Its probably because we dont know how to break teams down when we have most of the ball. We are far more suited to counter attacking with the players we have. We really need scott allan up to speed and starting games as players like him can be the difference with his vision and passing ability when at Easter Road. We also seriously lack a plan B. Plan A seems to be get the ball outwide and hope for the best. But as soon as teams double up on the wings we look completely lost.




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fair enough but does that mean changing our tactics at home then, normally when a team sticks a couple of players on one player it should mean space available elsewhere, i do agree with the lack of plan B, i have a funny feeling if we start winning at home next season it will probably mean our away form will revert back to type, this seasons away form/tactics/whatever has been exceptional, if only we had picked up more points at home as well :(

[Sir David Gray]

And if we score the first goal you can do all the same things as it’s a given that we will go on to win the game. My house is going to be spotless every Saturday now 😂

After scoring the first goal;

Aberdeen

W - 11
D - 3
L - 0

Celtic

W - 17
D - 2
L - 0

Dundee Utd

W - 6
D - 4
L - 1

Hamilton

W - 5
D - 0
L - 2

Hibs

W - 15
D - 3
L - 0

Kilmarnock

W - 6
D - 1
L - 3

Livingston

W - 9
D - 2
L - 3

Motherwell

W - 7
D - 5
L - 1

Rangers

W - 25
D - 1
L - 0

Ross County

W - 6
D - 3
L - 2

St Johnstone

W - 6
D - 2
L - 3

St Mirren

W - 9
D - 2
L - 2

[hibbysam]

After scoring the first goal;

Aberdeen

W - 11
D - 3
L - 0

Celtic

W - 17
D - 2
L - 0

Dundee Utd

W - 6
D - 4
L - 1

Hamilton

W - 5
D - 0
L - 2

Hibs

W - 15
D - 3
L - 0

Kilmarnock

W - 6
D - 1
L - 3

Livingston

W - 9
D - 2
L - 3

Motherwell

W - 7
D - 5
L - 1

Rangers

W - 25
D - 1
L - 0

Ross County

W - 6
D - 3
L - 2

St Johnstone

W - 6
D - 2
L - 3

St Mirren

W - 9
D - 2
L - 2

Quality stats!