The Rangers Dossier Delayed

[murray26]

Amateurs in every sense of the word.. best ignored..

[007]

It’s not just them, Hearts fans seem to be in agreement with everything Rangers say

Nothing new there then.

[FilipinoHibs]

Its actually crazy.
They should be only talking about facts and giving a balanced view.
They’re not. They’ve taken a stance against people employed to run the SPFL.
Why?

Stop listening a long time ago. The audience must be shrinking to Rangers and Hearts fan.

[Bostonhibby]

I just think they’re the epitome of bitter.
Bitterness is a part of human nature but these guys are the opposite of love thy neighbour.
Imagine being at a rangers party?They are absolutely joyless.

What exactly is the point of them participating in sport in Scotland or indeed Scotland generally?

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[04Sauzee]

Stewart Robertson does seem a bit dim going on the radio saying they hadn't claimed any club hand been bullied or coerced yet it's in one of their many statements.

[Waxy]

They are absolutely joyless.

What exactly is the point of them participating in sport in Scotland or indeed Scotland generally?

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It might actually come to the point where clubs rssign and form a breakaway league just to get away from. Stuff european places. We dont do nothing anyway now.

[Bostonhibby]

It might actually come to the point where clubs rssign and form a breakaway league just to get away from. Stuff european places. We dont do nothing anyway now.Can see the sense in it, all that's required then is permanent transfers to Northern Ireland for all those who seem to have guarding some walls over there as the pinnacle of their sad existences.

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[jacomo]

Can see the sense in it, all that's required then is permanent transfers to Northern Ireland for all those who seem to have guarding some walls over there as the pinnacle of their sad existences.

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Sounds great. The 3 Huns can all go play in Norn Iron.

[007]

It might actually come to the point where clubs rssign and form a breakaway league just to get away from. Stuff european places. We dont do nothing anyway now.

Rangers, Hearts and Stranraer playing each other 18 times. Maybe Dundee and Inverness would be allowed in too.

[greenpaper55]

Can see the sense in it, all that's required then is permanent transfers to Northern Ireland for all those who seem to have guarding some walls over there as the pinnacle of their sad existences.

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We can but dream , what the OF forget is they need opponents every week otherwise they are playing each other constantly. If only the other tams realise what power they had !

[04Sauzee]

This made me laugh.

[SquashedFrogg]

The BBC Sport used to offer more of a well balanced broadsheet style of programming but they went down the antagonistic talk radio style of broadcasting back when they had Jim Traynor’s your call back in the mid 2000s. It’s been going down hill ever since. And anyone who disagrees with me can call 0800....

Listen to Nicola Sturgeon's briefing then read the BBC headlines after. *It's almost as if the reporters have typed their reports the day before.

*Of course they have.

My cat could work in the Scottish media.

[greenpaper55]

Listen to Nicola Sturgeon's briefing then read the BBC headlines after. It's almost as if the reporters have typed their reports the day before.

My cat could work in the Scottish media.

Brian Taylor is in love with Nicola, read his reports and weep !

[Billy Whizz]

Stewart Robertson does seem a bit dim going on the radio saying they hadn't claimed any club hand been bullied or coerced yet it's in one of their many statements.

What’s Robertson’s background to getting a seat on The Rangers board

[Irish_Steve]

Rangers, Hearts and Stranraer playing each other 18 times. Maybe Dundee and Inverness would be allowed in too.

The Fartz would still be bottom of that league

[HoboHarry]

What’s Robertson’s background to getting a seat on The Rangers board
Rolling up a trouser leg, seating himself on a goat and knowing the words to Billy Boys.....

[Eyrie]

We can but dream , what the OF forget is they need opponents every week otherwise they are playing each other constantly. If only the other tams realise what power they had !

That is the single most frustrating thing about Scottish football.

Just tell the pair of them to FOAD if they don't like it.

[Brunswickbill]

Not sure on this but is not the case when it was explained that to null and void the league would be catastrophic and cost a fortune.

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Yes he did allude to that on Saturday Sportsound. It was along the lines that, at the time that the Board of the SPFL put their resolution, there was still talk of null and voiding the league. (Let's guess who were the two main proponents, who had the most to gain? That's right, Hertz and Sevco for different reason) He made it clear that there would have been severe financial implications and that that was an issue that was considered when the resolution to call the leagues was made by the SPFL Board. BBC seems to have lost sight of the fact that the Board comprises representatives of the senior football clubs and is not some dictatorial conspiracy aimed at sabotaging Scottish fitba. The programme has been a one-sided disgrace over the last few weeks. Michael Stewart started off as as one of their gang largely based, I think, on his support for Hertz, but realized what fools they were making of themselves. He was sensible to avoid tonight's sh*tshow and let English and Thomson make themeselves sound like bufoons.

[Man Down Under]

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[Clarence]

I actually really enjoyed Jim Traynor's Your Call, folk that called in were hilarious (though a lot of them didn't mean to be).

It’s the same principle as Jerry Springer / Jeremy Kyle. Wind up some radges and watch the fireworks ensue. Which undoubtedly provides a giggle here and there but would make a proper journalist like Bob Crampsey turn in his grave.

[Badabing]

Having endured the 30+ minutes of the podcast the bits that actually had me shouting at the iPad was that Neil Doncaster must be relieved by the contents of the dossier. Firstly why would he be relieved as he already knew what the facts were. Secondly if if he is to feel relieved then all the other tosh they were spouting is irrelevant.

[jacomo]

It’s the same principle as Jerry Springer / Jeremy Kyle. Wind up some radges and watch the fireworks ensue. Which undoubtedly provides a giggle here and there but would make a proper journalist like Bob Crampsey turn in his grave.


And it turns out Traynor is one of the worst radges of all.

He bears a big responsibility for how Sevco have conducted themselves.

[JimBHibees]

What’s Robertson’s background to getting a seat on The Rangers board

Was at Motherwell with Leanne I think

[Fratelli]

Having endured the 30+ minutes of the podcast the bits that actually had me shouting at the iPad was that Neil Doncaster must be relieved by the contents of the dossier. Firstly why would he be relieved as he already knew what the facts were. Secondly if if he is to feel relieved then all the other tosh they were spouting is irrelevant.

Exactly my thoughts at the time as well. The skewed, biased narrative is shocking with only Chris McLauchlin offering a tiny bit of balance. Remember, this is a ‘dossier’ from The Rangers and we all know their track record of lies during their short life! Looking forward to the SPFL response and their filleting of the claims...

[JimBHibees]

Exactly my thoughts at the time as well. The skewed, biased narrative is shocking with only Chris McLauchlin offering a tiny bit of balance. Remember, this is a ‘dossier’ from The Rangers and we all know their track record of lies during their short life! Looking forward to the SPFL response and their filleting of the claims...

Don't think SPFL need to say anything more than they did yesterday that there isn't a shred of evidence against their people. Bring on the meeting on Tuesday and assuming a landslide vote against Rangers motion for another investigation.

[Rumble de Thump]

How many clubs need to vote in favour of an investigation? The guy at Motherwell seems to have made his feelings clear and doesn't seem to think an investigation is needed.

[brog]

Don't think SPFL need to say anything more than they did yesterday that there isn't a shred of evidence against their people. Bring on the meeting on Tuesday and assuming a landslide vote against Rangers motion for another investigation.

Which unfortunately suits Rangers 'victim' agenda. They don't care about an investigation, they only want to ensure they sell another 40k + seasons & that their rabid support is deflected from looking at their post break results. It's classic deflection.

[Since90+2]

Rangers say they want the league to be run as a democracy and not a dictatorship.

Emm that's exactly what is happening already? The clubs voted in a democratic vote and decided to end the leagues. We are also having another vote on whether an external investigation needs to take place , I am assuming as this is a democratic vote they will accept the result and move on if it doesn't go in their favour?

[Since90+2]

How many clubs need to vote in favour of an investigation? The guy at Motherwell seems to have made his feelings clear and doesn't seem to think an investigation is needed.

75% of the 42 clubs. In other words it has absolutely no chance of passing , Rangers know this already but they don't actually care. It's all about keeping in with their fans who are that daft they can't see past the propaganda.

[ScottB]

Rangers say they want the league to be run as a democracy and not a dictatorship.

Emm that's exactly what is happening already? The clubs voted in a democratic vote and decided to end the leagues. We are also having another vote on whether an external investigation needs to take place , I am assuming as this is a democratic vote they will accept the result and move on if it doesn't go in their favour?

They’ll be up for abandoning the 11-1 voting structure then, for democracy.

[mjhibby]

Having endured the 30+ minutes of the podcast the bits that actually had me shouting at the iPad was that Neil Doncaster must be relieved by the contents of the dossier. Firstly why would he be relieved as he already knew what the facts were. Secondly if if he is to feel relieved then all the other tosh they were spouting is irrelevant.

It is excruciating to listen to. On the ball actually in their jokey way discuss it a little. There were many clues the dossier was manure. The show should have just asked a few pertinent questions.
1. What were Sevcos motives. (Cough) Stopping nine and then ten in a row.
2.Why did hertz and Stranraer back them without seeing any evidence. (Cough)avoiding relegation.
3. Why are we wasting precious weeks on this while our game faces its biggest threat in its history.
4. How bad does Scottish football look to the rest of the world.
Just a few of many things sportsound never discusses but 80% of fans are thinking.Until it stops pandering to a club they are banned from then it will become more and more of an irrelevance. The fact that a few folk are listening to superscoreboard says it all.

[The Count]

Which unfortunately suits Rangers 'victim' agenda. They don't care about an investigation, they only want to ensure they sell another 40k + seasons & that their rabid support is deflected from looking at their post break results. It's classic deflection.

Spot on my man.Only wish the media would call it as such.

[GreenCastle]

75% of the 42 clubs. In other words it has absolutely no chance of passing , Rangers know this already but they don't actually care. It's all about keeping in with their fans who are that daft they can't see past the propaganda.

Yup.

This is all about playing up to the fans and delaying Celtic winning league.

I could understand if it was 1 point different but Celtic are miles ahead and could even win a quadruple treble.

Hearts and Stranraer should be getting hammered too - joke they even entertained this and double standards about the good of the game when it’s all about self interest and them avoiding relegation.

[Since90+2]

They’ll be up for abandoning the 11-1 voting structure then, for democracy.

Good point. Hopefully a journalist can actually pose a question like this rather than kissing their arse.

[EdinMike]

Day two. There’s two days of this !?

[GRA]

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The Rangers fans remind me of Trump supporters. Their boss comes out with contradictory statements and daily lies to deflect from some harsh realities, yet they relay what their leader says in blind faith without any rational thinking. Quite sad really....

[steviehibsleith]

Exactly my thoughts at the time as well. The skewed, biased narrative is shocking with only Chris McLauchlin offering a tiny bit of balance. Remember, this is a ‘dossier’ from The Rangers and we all know their track record of lies during their short life! Looking forward to the SPFL response and their filleting of the claims...

Looking forward to SPFL response also
Firstly the Dundee vote scandal which looked bad turns out to be Nelms fault no real wrongdoing but need to learn from it
Then loans/advance payments which they then explain going close to calling Budge a liar

Bullying ? Well Robertson was backtracking on radio Clyde last night already

The 10 million not disclosed . There in negotiations as are every football league with television rights why discuss it till resolved. Sky etc will negotiate they no that no fans at games means everyone watches on TV. As soon as football back on TV my sports package is back

SPFL put out within a hour looked at dossier nothing in here ....
All just accusations with some journalists saying there’s something there ... really wait till SPFL put together evidence and clear it up like they did with Dundee and loans.

[neil7908]

They’ll be up for abandoning the 11-1 voting structure then, for democracy.

Someone really needs to put this question to them directly. Democracy is based on majority rule - you get the most votes and you win.

Let's see them championing 7-5 majority voting SPL going forward.

[Rumble de Thump]

I think certain members of the SPFL board need to initiate some defamation lawsuits to begin putting this to bed. I expect this will happen soon after the clubs vote against an investigation and the league is called.

[CentreLine]

Love the fact the The Rangers don't see the irony in dictating, in a very dictatorial way, to the SPFL that it should be run as a democracy not a dictatorship.

[DickEDastardly]

Gerette. The best a Hun can get.

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Brilliant!!!


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[Ozyhibby]

Yup.

This is all about playing up to the fans and delaying Celtic winning league.

I could understand if it was 1 point different but Celtic are miles ahead and could even win a quadruple treble.

Hearts and Stranraer should be getting hammered too - joke they even entertained this and double standards about the good of the game when it’s all about self interest and them avoiding relegation.

To be fair, they have done better at delaying Celtic winning the league than Steven Gerrard managed.


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[Onion]

How many clubs need to vote in favour of an investigation? The guy at Motherwell seems to have made his feelings clear and doesn't seem to think an investigation is needed.

Hold an investigation, answer all the Rangers questions and prove there were a few things omitted from the resolution or that should have been disclosed. What does that change ? Clubs are SILL left in the position of choosing : Null & void, end early or carry on dreaming of playing this season out in empty stadiums with different squads - and all the costs that goes with that.

The sheer desperation of The Rangers and Hearts is palpable. The SPFL should put them over their knee and smack them both with a 19 page dossier. Let's end this madness.

[gaz1875]

Was it 19 pages or 200 pages? the DR is still saying 200 page dossier.

[Peevemor]

Was it 19 pages or 200 pages? the DR is still saying 200 page dossier.Their part was 19 pages and there could well have been 180 pages of other documents attached in appendix.

[gaz1875]

Their part was 19 pages and there could well have been 180 pages of other documents attached in appendix.


I see thanks.

[Tug Wilson]

It is excruciating to listen to. On the ball actually in their jokey way discuss it a little. There were many clues the dossier was manure. The show should have just asked a few pertinent questions.
1. What were Sevcos motives. (Cough) Stopping nine and then ten in a row.
2.Why did hertz and Stranraer back them without seeing any evidence. (Cough)avoiding relegation.
3. Why are we wasting precious weeks on this while our game faces its biggest threat in its history.
4. How bad does Scottish football look to the rest of the world.
Just a few of many things sportsound never discusses but 80% of fans are thinking.Until it stops pandering to a club they are banned from then it will become more and more of an irrelevance. The fact that a few folk are listening to superscoreboard says it all.

5. Why didn't The Rangers raise the issue of the £10m potential liability prior to the vote. (cough) because that would expose the £25m potential liability created by a null and void season.

Now that null and void is dead in the water, they are making an issue of it.

Laughable.

[EskbankHibby]

Rangers are just angry and the whole dossier is just them howling at the moon.

Scattergun approach never works, they might have had a chance had the focused on governance of vote but shouting about bullying and coercion then contradicting themselves and moving on to governance/fairness/transparency is laughable.

They're just angry that Celtic are winning loads and they (Rangers) went bust, that's it, that's all.

It's like the pished guy in the corner of the pub looking for an argument when he's been there since 12pm and you arrive at 6pm.

Why would anyone engage with that?

[Ozyhibby]

Tom English now arguing Sevco never alleged bullying and coercion.
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Spiers taking him to task.


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[McSwanky]

Tom English now arguing Sevco never alleged bullying and coercion.
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Spiers taking him to task.


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I have gone from laughing about this yesterday to having the same feeling of despair I have with the UK government and Trump.

It's now the norm to simply ignore/contradict things that you said something in the past as it doesn't suit today's argument. It's horrible, and creates this sense of nobody knowing what's really the truth any more.

Absolutely pointless arguing with people that do this, as they just switch their reality to whatever will win them support amongst their followers.

***ing sick of it.

[we are hibs]

Tom English eh? What an absolute cretin of a man.

[JimBHibees]

Which unfortunately suits Rangers 'victim' agenda. They don't care about an investigation, they only want to ensure they sell another 40k + seasons & that their rabid support is deflected from looking at their post break results. It's classic deflection.

It's certainly deflection not sure about any of it being classic anything. :greengrin

[GonzoReturns]

Tom English eh? What an absolute cretin of a man.

He’s Chucky Budges bitch

[Billy Whizz]

He’s Chucky Budges bitch

He’s either Rangers, Hearts, or Stranraer’s next Media Manager

[Spike Mandela]

Love the fact the The Rangers don't see the irony in dictating, in a very dictatorial way, to the SPFL that it should be run as a democracy not a dictatorship.

This is the essence of what all this is about. The old Rangers, pre liquidation used to run the show along with Celtic and dictated all matters to all other clubs.

Since 2012 the power vacuum for them has been intolerable and they are lashing out in the only way they know how along with their desperate little friends.

[Spike Mandela]

@Kheredine...

The @spfl has just issued a 5 page rebuttal of @RangersFC dossier to all member clubs : “Rangers' managing director Stewart Robertson has launched a series of attacks on the SPFL Board.. we are united in firmly rejecting his false characterisation of SPFL governance.”

Re potential £10m ‘clawback’ from TV/sponsors, @spfl:”That was not reported to (clubs) because it is simply not the case. The central complaint of Rangers is simply wrong & based on a complete misunderstanding of the situation the League and broadcast partners find themselves in”

Re other ways of clubs getting money (loans) @spfl: “Those who..suggest there were other ‘simpler’ means of getting money into clubs’ hands are being either economical with the truth or..demonstrating a lamentable lack of understanding of the current reality of Scottish Football”

Re dossier claim that @AberdeenFC negotiated a concession prior to @spfl vote , @spfl: “This is categorically false. “

[Spike Mandela]

@Kheredine....

The @spfl response to the ‘cease and desist requests to @RangersFC chairman Douglas Park , a thread ... “In a phone call on the evening of 10 April, Rangers chairman Douglas Park made a very serious allegation and threat to act in a particular way to the SPFL Chief Executive...”

“This allegation has been entirely unsupported by any evidence, either then or since. The allegation was so serious and defamatory that the League’s Legal Counsel, Rod McKenzie immediately sought a commitment from the Rangers Company Secretary that it would not be repeated...”

“On no conceivable basis could this be considered as ‘bullying Rangers into silence’. “

And re the @spfl @ScottishFA letter to @UEFA , @spfl: “This is correct. The letter sent jointly by SPFL & SFA was based on feedback from clubs & club reps on the SPFL Board. It was an honest and open assessment of what the vast majority of SPFL clubs were saying at that time”

[Peevemor]

@Kheredine...

The @spfl has just issued a 5 page rebuttal of @RangersFC dossier to all member clubs : “Rangers' managing director Stewart Robertson has launched a series of attacks on the SPFL Board.. we are united in firmly rejecting his false characterisation of SPFL governance.”

Re potential £10m ‘clawback’ from TV/sponsors, @spfl:”That was not reported to (clubs) because it is simply not the case. The central complaint of Rangers is simply wrong & based on a complete misunderstanding of the situation the League and broadcast partners find themselves in”

Re other ways of clubs getting money (loans) @spfl: “Those who..suggest there were other ‘simpler’ means of getting money into clubs’ hands are being either economical with the truth or..demonstrating a lamentable lack of understanding of the current reality of Scottish Football”

Re dossier claim that @AberdeenFC negotiated a concession prior to @spfl vote , @spfl: “This is categorically false. “Excellent. If nothing else it shows that Stewart Robertson shouldn't be on the SPFL board due to his inability to understand what's going on and why.

[Bostonhibby]

To be fair, they have done better at delaying Celtic winning the league than Steven Gerrard managed.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkHe did a pretty good job of delaying Liverpool as well.

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[Billy Whizz]

Excellent. If nothing else it shows that Stewart Robertson shouldn't be on the SPFL board due to his inability to understand what's going on and why.

Exactly, but he’s heaven sent to be on the Rangers board

[JohnMcM]

@Kheredine...

The @spfl has just issued a 5 page rebuttal of @RangersFC dossier to all member clubs : “Rangers' managing director Stewart Robertson has launched a series of attacks on the SPFL Board.. we are united in firmly rejecting his false characterisation of SPFL governance.”

Re potential £10m ‘clawback’ from TV/sponsors, @spfl:”That was not reported to (clubs) because it is simply not the case. The central complaint of Rangers is simply wrong & based on a complete misunderstanding of the situation the League and broadcast partners find themselves in”

Re other ways of clubs getting money (loans) @spfl: “Those who..suggest there were other ‘simpler’ means of getting money into clubs’ hands are being either economical with the truth or..demonstrating a lamentable lack of understanding of the current reality of Scottish Football”

Re dossier claim that @AberdeenFC negotiated a concession prior to @spfl vote , @spfl: “This is categorically false. “


As as quickly as we can, we must pass the shovel to The The's.:greengrin:greengrin They'll keep digging away at that hole they are in up to their shoulders at the moment.

[JimBHibees]

He did a pretty good job of delaying Liverpool as well.

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:greengrin

[The Harp Awakes]

Tom English now arguing Sevco never alleged bullying and coercion.
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English clearly on the Hun and mini Hun payroll. Requires an independent inquiry.

[007]

Don't think SPFL need to say anything more than they did yesterday that there isn't a shred of evidence against their people. Bring on the meeting on Tuesday and assuming a landslide vote against Rangers motion for another investigation.

There are questions/accusations which I think the SPFL need to issue something further on to provide clarification. The £10m question for example. I've not seen or heard anything on this previously but that doesn't mean clubs were not made aware of it. I'm not sure it is that big a deal as it isn't a surprise that there's potentially such a clause in the broadcast agreement and no doubt the amount would be a lot bigger in Rangers preferred scenario of null and void. I'd expect clubs would want to hear what the SPFL's full response before deciding on how to vote.

[007]

Here is the SPFL's further response.

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/18436655.spfl-directors-hit-back-rangers-baseless-damaging-self-serving-attacks-following-release-dossier/

[steviehibsleith]

There are questions/accusations which I think the SPFL need to issue something further on to provide clarification. The £10m question for example. I've not seen or heard anything on this previously but that doesn't mean clubs were not made aware of it. I'm not sure it is that big a deal as it isn't a surprise that there's potentially such a clause in the broadcast agreement and no doubt the amount would be a lot bigger in Rangers preferred scenario of null and void. I'd expect clubs would want to hear what the SPFL's full response before deciding on how to vote.
The full SPFL statement sent to clubs today explaining all the dossier questions sorry can’t copy it but the 10 million is guff and still negotiating . It’s on kickback

[007]

The full SPFL statement sent to clubs today explaining all the dossier questions sorry can’t copy it but the 10 million is guff and still negotiating . It’s on kickback

Yeah, posted it above, probably while you were typing. As you say, guff. SPFL have swatted it away.

[FilipinoHibs]

5. Why didn't The Rangers raise the issue of the £10m potential liability prior to the vote. (cough) because that would expose the £25m potential liability created by a null and void season.

Now that null and void is dead in the water, they are making an issue of it.

Laughable.

£21 million for TV fees for the season 79% of season completed. TV companies could ask for £2 million rebate. £10 million is utter crap.

[greenpaper55]

Reading the reply it looks like The Rangers are in trouble for breaching confidentiality rules, disclosed stuff from the SPFL that was not for the public view !

[greenpaper55]

Finally the BBC has the reply, they probably wanted English to have a read before showing it !

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52590660

[007]

"In a phone call on the evening of 10 April, Rangers chairman Douglas Park made a very serious allegation and threat to act in a particular way to the SPFL Chief Executive. This allegation has been entirely unsupported by any evidence, either then or since. The allegation was so serious and defamatory that the League’s Legal Counsel, Rod McKenzie immediately sought a commitment from the Rangers Company Secretary that it would not be repeated. "

Douglas Park threatening Neil Doncaster. Would be interested to know more about that.

[RyeSloan]

Devastating responses from the SPFL board...tearing apart the flimsy dossier one point at a time.

Rangers have made a total erse of themselves and as the response makes clear left themselves open to a few counter claims themselves.

Reading between the lines there is obviously quite a number of clubs far from happy with their nonsense and will take great pleasure in giving it back to them after the EGM.

[007]

Finally the BBC has the reply, they probably wanted English to have a read before showing it !

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52590660

Wonder if Tom English, Michael Stewart and co have managed to get their heads round why they couldn't do any further payments to clubs without ending the season.

[Oscar T Grouch]

That's the huns been ripped a new one. I have a feeling they'll be heavily sanctioned for all this, along with their co-accusers. I think the SPFL have had enough of it. Their response certainly reads that way. Where's ma popcorn? :greengrin

[Bishop Hibee]

Murdoch MacLennan going in with a robust but fair challenge. Send the Huns down too!

[007]

Rangers claim that Aberdeen negotiated a concession from Neil Doncaster prior to voting, that Premiership clubs would be consulted prior to the SPFL Board calling the Premiership. This is laughable, Dave Cormack said himself on Sportsound that he asked Neil Doncaster this and said ND replied he would have to take it to the board.

Rangers complaining that the Scottish Cup is going to be played to a finish. Hearts support this document - they must be running scared. 😂

[Spike Mandela]

All the clubs, including Hibs, have nobody to blame but themselves that this nonsense is happening.

When they all moved on so swiftly from the desperately needed independent inquiry into the SFA’s handling of the EBT scandal it led Rangers to feel they are invincible and can ride roughshod over the rest of the league members.

The time to hold them accountable along with their enablers in the media and the SFA has long since passed.

[Keith_M]

I just noticed that the number of users currently viewing this forum is 1690

Spooky or what!

[Hibeesmad]

So what is likely to be the punishment for The Rangers? Nothing? Fine? Points reduction?

[007]

All the clubs, including Hibs, have nobody to blame but themselves that this nonsense is happening.

When they all moved on so swiftly from the desperately needed independent inquiry into the SFA’s handling of the EBT scandal it led Rangers to feel they are invincible and can ride roughshod over the rest of the league members.

The time to hold them accountable along with their enablers in the media and the SFA has long since passed.

Totally agree they should be held accountable however I'm afraid they might well get away with as the SPFL will rightly think they have more important matters to deal with. What they should do, once the EGM votes no to an investigation, is say that this isn't the end of it but it will be parked for now and will be revisited once Scottish football is back on its feet, with a view some kind of sanction. Not expecting that the SPFL would do that though meaning Rangers will be again trying to chuck their weight about over something else not too far down the line.

Once we get the expected no vote next week it will be interesting to see if Rangers take it to court or if they just put out statement after statement grumbling about this and that. Certainly don't expect them to just shut up about it.

[Rumble de Thump]

Sevco will be humiliated into silence.

[tamig]

"In a phone call on the evening of 10 April, Rangers chairman Douglas Park made a very serious allegation and threat to act in a particular way to the SPFL Chief Executive. This allegation has been entirely unsupported by any evidence, either then or since. The allegation was so serious and defamatory that the League’s Legal Counsel, Rod McKenzie immediately sought a commitment from the Rangers Company Secretary that it would not be repeated. "

Douglas Park threatening Neil Doncaster. Would be interested to know more about that.
Is that not just about the hun calling for his suspension? I suspect it wasn’t a threat to put the head on him or something similar.

[007]

Is that not just about the hun calling for his suspension? I suspect it wasn’t a threat to put the head on him or something similar.

Suppose it could be. You never know when it comes to Rangers and what they'd say or do.

[bringbackbenny]

Douglas Park threatening Neil Doncaster. Would be interested to know more about that.


Is Douglas Park the ex Hearts Director?

[Peevemor]

Is Douglas Park the ex Hearts Director?The one and only. He was also a stadium in Hamilton.

[HoboHarry]

The one and only. He was also a stadium in Hamilton.

:top marks:greengrin

[Bostonhibby]

The one and only. He was also a stadium in Hamilton.[emoji23]



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[Waxy]

The one and only. He was also a stadium in Hamilton.

And the park down the road with no dogs in it.

[Jim44]

Was he not also a ‘coach’ in Hamilton?:greengrin

[Bostonhibby]

Was he not also a ‘coach’ in Hamilton?:greengrinSingle decker though,nothing up top.

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[The Count]

Sevco will be humiliated into silence.

They dont do humility and are also agressive last word freaks.They have their audience to pander too so watch with interest.Many laughs to come if it was not so bloody sad.

[Ozyhibby]

Is Douglas Park the ex Hearts Director?

I think it’s the Hearts directors son?


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[Rumble de Thump]

They dont do humility and are also agressive last word freaks.They have their audience to pander too so watch with interest.Many laughs to come if it was not so bloody sad.

A court order should do the trick then :flag:

[Crazyhorse]

All the clubs, including Hibs, have nobody to blame but themselves that this nonsense is happening.

When they all moved on so swiftly from the desperately needed independent inquiry into the SFA’s handling of the EBT scandal it led Rangers to feel they are invincible and can ride roughshod over the rest of the league members.

The time to hold them accountable along with their enablers in the media and the SFA has long since passed.

Totally agree. The ‘let’s move on’ merchants produced a situation where this phoney zombie team thought they were bigger than the football leagues in Scotland. That clown Doncaster was at the centre of it. But the collective gutless behaviour from the other clubs still taints the football culture in Scotland.

[Peevemor]

I think it’s the Hearts directors son?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkSo he's the new Douglas Park?

[Crazyhorse]

So he's the new Douglas Park?

👏

[Ozyhibby]

Totally agree. The ‘let’s move on’ merchants produced a situation where this phoney zombie team thought they were bigger than the football leagues in Scotland. That clown Doncaster was at the centre of it. But the collective gutless behaviour from the other clubs still taints the football culture in Scotland.

There were plenty on here supportive of the let’s move on strategy. Appeasement never works. Didn’t work for Chamberlain with the Nazi’s, won’t work now for Sevco. They are a cancer that needs cut out. Unpleasant for everyone but it’s the only way to save the patient.


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[Ozyhibby]

So he's the new Douglas Park?

[emoji23][emoji122]


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[Ozyhibby]

One of the Sevco allegations is that Doncaster refused to take a call from Douglas Park.

In fact he called him back two minutes later.

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[bringbackbenny]

So he's the new Douglas Park?

You have won the Internet for today 😅

[A Hi-Bee]

Call the league done from this Tuesday and ban the hun for a good long time, relegate the diet hun and lets move on and prepare for whatever kind of game we can manage next year.

[Ozyhibby]

Call the league done from this Tuesday and ban the hun for a good long time, relegate the diet hun and lets move on and prepare for whatever kind of game we can manage next year.

If it wasn’t for the tv deal they probably would. I think they can afford to wait on them going bust though.


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[Bishop Hibee]

According to Tom English, ‘Scottish football is at war with itself.’ Ignore the fact that the vote to end the lower leagues went through with a democratic vote. Rangers are the ones at war with Scottish football because they can’t handle the fact the new version is incapable of winning trophies. English has lost the plot completely. Making things up like a pound shop Trump.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52521281

[bod]

Rangers claim that Aberdeen negotiated a concession from Neil Doncaster prior to voting, that Premiership clubs would be consulted prior to the SPFL Board calling the Premiership. This is laughable, Dave Cormack said himself on Sportsound that he asked Neil Doncaster this and said ND replied he would have to take it to the board.

Rangers complaining that the Scottish Cup is going to be played to a finish. Hearts support this document - they must be running scared. 😂

The tash said on sportsound last Saturday that the cup would be played eventually .

[A Hi-Bee]

According to Tom English, ‘Scottish football is at war with itself.’ Ignore the fact that the vote to end the lower leagues went through with a democratic vote. Rangers are the ones at war with Scottish football because they can’t handle the fact the new version is incapable of winning trophies. English has lost the plot completely. Making things up like a pound shop Trump.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52521281

Tam English gets paid to make things up-Never

[mjhibby]

According to Tom English, ‘Scottish football is at war with itself.’ Ignore the fact that the vote to end the lower leagues went through with a democratic vote. Rangers are the ones at war with Scottish football because they can’t handle the fact the new version is incapable of winning trophies. English has lost the plot completely. Making things up like a pound shop Trump.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52521281

Exactly my thoughts. Beyond juvenile what’s he and the BBC Scotland guys put on their website. Farcical.

[truehibernian]

According to Tom English, ‘Scottish football is at war with itself.’ Ignore the fact that the vote to end the lower leagues went through with a democratic vote. Rangers are the ones at war with Scottish football because they can’t handle the fact the new version is incapable of winning trophies. English has lost the plot completely. Making things up like a pound shop Trump.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52521281

Thing is BH, 40 other clubs disagree with Mr English and see it for what it is - The Rangers and Hearts putting self-interest before the game, trying to appease their fans (as their fans would expect them to fight it regardless), and throwing a cat amongst the pigeons with futile efforts to prevent 9 in a row and relegation. It's that simple. The Rangers have thrown millions at three managers now and not won a domestic title or cup - hence they are spewing the usual nonsense in the vain hope that Scottish football will turn on each other and the SPFL. The Rangers will stop at nothing, and stoop as low as they can, to prevent anything that hands Celtic the title.

The problem is, The Rangers have thrown a vegan cat into a crowd of curious pigeons who don't really show any signs of flying away from, or being scared by the 'threat' :aok:

[Irish_Steve]

According to Tom English, ‘Scottish football is at war with itself.’ Ignore the fact that the vote to end the lower leagues went through with a democratic vote. Rangers are the ones at war with Scottish football because they can’t handle the fact the new version is incapable of winning trophies. English has lost the plot completely. Making things up like a pound shop Trump.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52521281

In the first paragraph, TE talks about a withered old hag, maybe he`s seen the light after all lol

[greenpaper55]

English is biased, " The dossier wasn't the howitzer Rangers were hoping for, but neither was it the popgun that the SPFL laughably claimed it to be in their statement of Thursday morning."
So the SPFL statement is laughable ? ! He needs to be sacked ASAP.

[truehibernian]

In the first paragraph, TE talks about a withered old hag, maybe he`s seen the light after all lol

Someone at the BBC should be asking why TE and CM haven't interviewed Peter Lawell for his views - they have been absolutely silent on the matter yet not an attempt or a mention on any podcast that they are trying to get their stance. I think that would start a 'war of words and opinion' - not a dossier that Hans Christian Anderson would be proud of :aok:

[Ronniekirk]

Sevco will be humiliated into silence.

I doubt it Statements are now a way of life fir them They won’t desist imo


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[Ronniekirk]

According to Tom English, ‘Scottish football is at war with itself.’ Ignore the fact that the vote to end the lower leagues went through with a democratic vote. Rangers are the ones at war with Scottish football because they can’t handle the fact the new version is incapable of winning trophies. English has lost the plot completely. Making things up like a pound shop Trump.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52521281

It’s a shame I used to like him and thought he was fair snd more like an old fashioned investigative journalist
But don’t listen to him these days and this event just reminds me why


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[007]

According to Tom English, ‘Scottish football is at war with itself.’ Ignore the fact that the vote to end the lower leagues went through with a democratic vote. Rangers are the ones at war with Scottish football because they can’t handle the fact the new version is incapable of winning trophies. English has lost the plot completely. Making things up like a pound shop Trump.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52521281

If the vote next week is roughly 50/50 then he's right. If it Rangers and Hearts plus 1 or 2 others versus the rest, then it is a handful of disgruntled clubs venting their spleans because they're not getting their way. Therefore pish, as is the new norm, from TE.

[Kato]

It’s a shame I used to like him and thought he was fair snd more like an old fashioned investigative journalist
But don’t listen to him these days and this event just reminds me why


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[007]

According to Tom English, ‘Scottish football is at war with itself.’ Ignore the fact that the vote to end the lower leagues went through with a democratic vote. Rangers are the ones at war with Scottish football because they can’t handle the fact the new version is incapable of winning trophies. English has lost the plot completely. Making things up like a pound shop Trump.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52521281

TE says "Two clubs are alleging bullying on the part of two other clubs."

I've seen Rangers allege bullying against Dundee and Inverness but who is the other club to allege the bullying?

[jacomo]

According to Tom English, ‘Scottish football is at war with itself.’ Ignore the fact that the vote to end the lower leagues went through with a democratic vote. Rangers are the ones at war with Scottish football because they can’t handle the fact the new version is incapable of winning trophies. English has lost the plot completely. Making things up like a pound shop Trump.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52521281


Absolute coward. Earlier this week he was taking sides... now he’s reporting it as civil war ‘whichever side you are on’.

As a journalist, you are either an impartial reporter on events or you have an investigative zeal because you are determined to speak truth to power.

Tom English has been clearly pro Hearts and supporting the Rangers allegations, but now he’s trying to switch track. Pathetic.

[jacomo]

So what is likely to be the punishment for The Rangers? Nothing? Fine? Points reduction?


A points deduction will allow them to play the victim card.

However, Robertson obviously has to step down from the SPFL board, and I would love individuals who have been implicated of wrongdoing to pursue libel actions against them.

Widespread, sustained mockery is needed too.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/1315943/rangers-spfl-cowdenbeath-donald-findlay-qc/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Donald Finlay has his say.


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[Smartie]

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/1315943/rangers-spfl-cowdenbeath-donald-findlay-qc/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Donald Finlay has his say.


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He's not a man I have a great deal of love for, but he has spoken sense throughout this episode and if anyone can talk sense into the hysterical faction within Ibrox then it is him.

I'm quietly impressed with the idea tbh.

[mixumatosis]

Right, can we all (especially you Dundee Courier) settle on one simple, incontrovertible fact here.

An inquiry is what happens when you want answers to numerous questions with a common theme.

An enquiry is when you phone up to find out if a shop has trousers in stock in your size.

And I don't care what any online dictionary says.

[high bee]

Right, can we all (especially you Dundee Courier) settle on one simple, incontrovertible fact here.

An inquiry is what happens when you want answers to numerous questions with a common theme.

An enquiry is when you phone up to find out if a shop has trousers in stock in your size.

And I don't care what any online dictionary says.

Looks like Rangers only wanted an enquiry anyway, seeing as their dossier is a collection of statements with the question “Why was this not disclosed?”

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p08cnsld

Today’s podcast


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[CMurdoch]

Right, can we all (especially you Dundee Courier) settle on one simple, incontrovertible fact here.

An inquiry is what happens when you want answers to numerous questions with a common theme.

An enquiry is when you phone up to find out if a shop has trousers in stock in your size.

And I don't care what any online dictionary says.

Excellent. You don't see this kind of qualitat on here often.
Can you now sort out the dimwits on this site who constantly use the word seen instead of saw in their posts. They dae ma box in!

[mixumatosis]

Excellent. You don't see this kind of qualitat on here often.
Can you now sort out the dimwits on this site who constantly use the word seen instead of saw in their posts. They dae ma box in!

In this respect i am a single issue zealot. You will have to fight your own good fight when it comes to seen saws.

[allezsauzee]

[QUOTE=Ozyhibby;6165759]https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/1315943/rangers-spfl-cowdenbeath-donald-findlay-qc/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Donald Finlay has his say.

Why does this "feud" need to be resolved? The SPFL are the governing body, The Rangers are one club who want the whole thing to revolve around them. If they don't like the rules, they can find someone else to play football with.

[Smartie]

[QUOTE=Ozyhibby;6165759]https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/1315943/rangers-spfl-cowdenbeath-donald-findlay-qc/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Donald Finlay has his say.

Why does this "feud" need to be resolved? The SPFL are the governing body, The Rangers are one club who want the whole thing to revolve around them. If they don't like the rules, they can find someone else to play football with.

From what I’ve gathered over the past few days Donald Findlay agrees.

It’s not in anyone’s interests, certainly not Rangers’ for them to continue to behave like this.

Hopefully he can talk some sense into them.

FWIW there have been a few things the SPFL could have done a bit better throughout this debacle. Certainly nothing that merited dossiers or allegations of corruption but it hasn’t exactly been model governance.

[CMurdoch]

In this respect i am a single issue zealot. You will have to fight your own good fight when it comes to seen saws.

No such thing as a single issue pedant :wink:

[Irish_Steve]

Excellent. You don't see this kind of qualitat on here often.
Can you now sort out the dimwits on this site who constantly use the word seen instead of saw in their posts. They dae ma box in!

Or the ones that use them instead of those!!

[Joe6-2]

[QUOTE=allezsauzee;6166053]

From what I’ve gathered over the past few days Donald Findlay agrees.

It’s not in anyone’s interests, certainly not Rangers’ for them to continue to behave like this.

Hopefully he can talk some sense into them.

FWIW there have been a few things the SPFL could have done a bit better throughout this debacle. Certainly nothing that merited dossiers or allegations of corruption but it hasn’t exactly been model governance.

Yeah, like tell the rangers to f*** off

[Iain G]

Or the ones that use them instead of those!!

Those that have seen some of them saws?

[Keith_M]

Those that have seen some of them saws?


People that write* 'of' when they mean 'have'.

e.g. I should 'of' known that Hearts Fans are stupid.**

'of' is not even a verb!



* As well as making the mistake in writing, some people even use the wrong word when they speak.
** Well of course they're stupid; they're Hearts Fans, for goodness sake!

[Brunswickbill]

[QUOTE=allezsauzee;6166053]

From what I’ve gathered over the past few days Donald Findlay agrees.

It’s not in anyone’s interests, certainly not Rangers’ for them to continue to behave like this.

Hopefully he can talk some sense into them.

FWIW there have been a few things the SPFL could have done a bit better throughout this debacle. Certainly nothing that merited dossiers or allegations of corruption but it hasn’t exactly been model governance.

I have a suspicion that the Sevco sh*tstirrers will view the whole thing as a job well done. Their single objective was to raise questions over the validity of their Glasgow chums getting the league title. They have kicked a big enough stink to let their bluenose legions have endless whataboutery lines to be able to deny that 9IAR ever happened.

[Keith_M]

Here's another pet hate.


People that quote other people's posts and mess up the 'QUOTE' tag. Then people quote that quote, then other people quote that quote.....

....meaning you eventually don't know who wrote what.

[Aldo]

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[nonshinyfinish]

[QUOTE=Keith_M;6166300]Here's another pet hate.


People that quote other people's posts and mess up the 'QUOTE' tag. Then people quote that quote, then other people quote that quote.....

....meaning you eventually don't know who wrote what.[/QED

Nightmare.

[PatHead]

Nightmare.[/QUOTE]

I know

[Keith_M]

[QUO=nonshinyfinish;6166314]UOTE=Keith_M;6166300]Here's another pet hate.


People that quote other people's posts and mess up the 'QUOTE' tag. Then people quote that quote, then other people quote that quote.....

....meaning you eventually don't know who wrote what.[/QED

Nightmare.


Who said that?





Nightmare.[/QUOTE]




I know[/QUOTE]

[Carheenlea]

Huns should break away to form their own Sporting Integrity League

https://twitter.com/clydessb/status/1258847668153069571?s=21

“Ah think Linfield would be interested”

:lolrangers:

[tamig]

People that write* 'of' when they mean 'have'.

e.g. I should 'of' known that Hearts Fans are stupid.**

'of' is not even a verb!



* As well as making the mistake in writing, some people even use the wrong word when they speak.
** Well of course they're stupid; they're Hearts Fans, for goodness sake!
I hate the of vs have thing. Quite a lot of if on here which really lowers the standards imo.

Mikey Stewart has a bad habit of verbalising it too. Not something I’d have expected from him - although he is a hertz man at the end of the day.

[RyeSloan]

Rangers starting their spin now...tellingly looks like the have moved from the aggressors to the ones being attacked.


Bennett believes the league have made "a concerted attempt to isolate Rangers" and criticised the treatment of the club's managing director Stewart Robertson, who is a member of the SPFL board.


All said without a hint of irony I’m sure!

[Phil MaGlass]

The Hundesliga :agree:

[Onion]

Huns should break away to form their own Sporting Integrity League

https://twitter.com/clydessb/status/1258847668153069571?s=21

“Ah think Linfield would be interested”

:lolrangers:

Just when you think the Huns have peaked in terms of comedy value, they come out with this :greengrin Next they'll be trying to trademark "Sporting Integrity" just for them.

[ballengeich]

I hate the of vs have thing. Quite a lot of if on here which really lowers the standards imo.

Mikey Stewart has a bad habit of verbalising it too. Not something I’d have expected from him - although he is a hertz man at the end of the day.

We should also deal with talk of loosing a game.

[Ozyhibby]

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[H18 SFR]

Huns should break away to form their own Sporting Integrity League

https://twitter.com/clydessb/status/1258847668153069571?s=21

“Ah think Linfield would be interested”

:lolrangers:

First reply - Hundesliga 😂😂😂

[Ozyhibby]

Sevco QC letter explaining why Doncaster and McKenzie should be sacked.

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Sevco QC letter explaining why Doncaster and McKenzie should be sacked.

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Is he getting paid by the comma?

[greenginger]

Anyone care to draft a letter explaining why Sevco should be expelled from Scottish football permanently.

[Ozyhibby]

Is he getting paid by the comma?

Lawyers love that stuff. That and square brackets.[emoji23]


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[Ozyhibby]

Statement from the pars now.

https://www.dafc.co.uk/story.php?t=Chairman`s_Statement_&ID=11909

Hibs are heading to league 2 of the statement league.


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[Mibbes Aye]

[QUOTE=Keith_M;6166300]Here's another pet hate.


People that quote other people's posts and mess up the 'QUOTE' tag. Then people quote that quote, then other people quote that quote.....

....meaning you eventually don't know who wrote what.[/QED

Nightmare.

I am not sure who I am replying to, but I agree

[Bostonhibby]

Sevco's QC tells me one thing, in these difficult times the fee earning barristers are doing their bit to keep their income flowing, an equally impressive and lengthy version will exist or soon exist for the SPFL.

Lots of words on behalf of sevco but that's all it is until they actually issue proceedings rather than endlessy bluster and threaten they might.

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[H18 SFR]

Statement from the pars now.

https://www.dafc.co.uk/story.php?t=Chairman`s_Statement_&ID=11909

Hibs are heading to league 2 of the statement league.


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Calm, measured, and a clear attempt to de-escalate.

ICT seem to be the common denominator here don’t you think.

[007]

Sevco QC letter explaining why Doncaster and McKenzie should be sacked.

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Thanks Ozy. For me the 1st 4 pages are too blurry to read.

[Spike Mandela]

Thanks Ozy. For me the 1st 4 pages are too blurry to read.

The QC was banking on that, it’s what he presented to Rangers.😂

[Lago]

Thanks Ozy. For me the 1st 4 pages are too blurry to read.

I couldn't be bothered reading any of it, it's irrelevant, think Scottish football is goosed to be honest.

[Speedway]

I couldn't be bothered reading any of it, it's irrelevant, think Scottish football is goosed to be honest.

How many decades have we been saying that for?

[Ozyhibby]

So far, no club outside those that voted against the original resolution have said they will vote for the Sevco resolution tomorrow. They result could be just as clear cut.


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[CapitalGreen]

Sevco QC letter explaining why Doncaster and McKenzie
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Does the QC have a name or is that being withheld?

[JimBHibees]

So far, no club outside those that voted against the original resolution have said they will vote for the Sevco resolution tomorrow. They result could be just as clear cut.


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Should take the vote then call the league immediately. 10 min meeting tops :greengrin

[greenginger]

So far, no club outside those that voted against the original resolution have said they will vote for the Sevco resolution tomorrow. They result could be just as clear cut.


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And Sevco whilst demanding democracy in the SPFL won’t accept the result of the vote. :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.afc.co.uk/2020/05/11/club-statement-monday-11th-may/

Dons statement now.[emoji849]


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[H18 SFR]

https://www.afc.co.uk/2020/05/11/club-statement-monday-11th-may/

Dons statement now.[emoji849]


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Offt, they are voting with the Huns.

[CentreLine]

Sevco QC letter explaining why Doncaster and McKenzie should be sacked.

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Ozzyhibby, thanks for posting. Unfortunately I cannot read this in its present form as the letters are too small and only blur too much when expanded. Are you able to post again but larger or in a form that will expand? Cheers

[JimBHibees]

There is some rational in Dons statement however emboldening Rangers and others at this time to me is a very dangerous move. May be a bit of game playing Aberdeen and probably other premiership teams vote for motion knowing it has little chance of getting passed. Is it 11 to 1 in prem or 75% across the board.

[Ozyhibby]

Offt, they are voting with the Huns.

Think it was expected as they backed one a couple weeks ago on the radio. And their new chairman appears to love the limelight.


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[The Count]

I know Scotland football has more pressing issues.However i just wonder after reading Aberdeens statement whether the best way to "call" the Huns is to have the enquiry.Its then thrown out as a crock of **** and the Huns are exposed as ********s.They must know its going to be a no vote so would it put them off guard if it was a Yes vote.Just trying to out think the Huns tactics.But then again the far bigger picture is saving all our clubs but will a No vote let us move on?Hope it does bur somehow i dont think so

[Peevemor]

Offt, they are voting with the Huns.

They're not saying that they agree with what the huns are saying, just that an investigation would clear up whether there has been any wrondoing.

Personally I see their point but wouldn't vote for the huns' motion.

[Smartie]

There is some rational in Dons statement however emboldening Rangers and others at this time to me is a very dangerous move. May be a bit of game playing Aberdeen and probably other premiership teams vote for motion knowing it has little chance of getting passed. Is it 11 to 1 in prem or 75% across the board.

There is.

I mean - go back a few months, how many of us would have said we were entirely satisfied with the governance of our game? Not many, nothing was ever put to bed after the last Sevco fiasco. It is a bit unusual that we've suddenly found ourselves on the side of Neil Doncaster but there you go.

Aberdeen have been played by Rangers here though. Rangers whipped up a frenzy, got clubs going for each others' throats and as a result will now have a reasonable level of support amongst clubs for their "independent" inquiry to be held.

Rangers won't be satisfied until Scottish football is run (once more) by King Billy, Derek Johnstone and the Rev I M Jolly.

It was quite funny - myself and a few friends were trading stories of our (limited) personal experiences of some of the characters involved in this fiasco over the weekend and they really weren't great. I don't think we want too much of the control of our game to be in the hands of Scott Gardiner, Douglas Park or the like, put it that way.

As an aside, and somewhat controversially - none of us have had a bad experience with Anne Budge - quite the opposite.

[Ozyhibby]

I know Scotland football has more pressing issues.However i just wonder after reading Aberdeens statement whether the best way to "call" the Huns is to have the enquiry.Its then thrown out as a crock of **** and the Huns are exposed as ********s.They must know its going to be a no vote so would it put them off guard if it was a Yes vote.Just trying to out think the Huns tactics.But then again the far bigger picture is saving all our clubs but will a No vote let us move on?Hope it does bur somehow i dont think so

So call an inquiry when there is no evidence (this one) but deny one when there is (inquiry into Rangers uefa license2011)?
That would sum up Scottish football right enough.
I’m happy for there to be an inquiry into the governance of the game but it needs to be into every aspect of what has gone on for the last 10 years. Anything less and we are just letting Sevco run the game.


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[Smartie]

So call an inquiry when there is no evidence (this one) but deny one when there is (inquiry into Rangers uefa license2011)?
That would sum up Scottish football right enough.
I’m happy for there to be an inquiry into the governance of the game but it needs to be into every aspect of what has gone on for the last 10 years. Anything less and we are just letting Sevco run the game.


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Maybe there is some genius in calling the hun bluff?

"Right - this 5 way agreement. Tell us more..."

[Since452]

Aberdeen can do what they like and so can others. Matters not a jot

[Ozyhibby]

Maybe there is some genius in calling the hun bluff?

"Right - this 5 way agreement. Tell us more..."

That’s it for me. Let’s see everything and then we can look at how to improve things.


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[Lago]

How many decades have we been saying that for?
I've can't remember it being as bad as this in 40 years supporting Hibs.

[Bostonhibby]

Offt, they are voting with the Huns.If you can't beat them join them, and they certainly don't beat them very often.

Huns bitches in every respect

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[Since452]

https://www.afc.co.uk/2020/05/11/club-statement-monday-11th-may/

Dons statement now.[emoji849]


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Setanta all over again

[weecounty hibby]

Just been texting my mate about this. Let's have a truly independent inquiry, let's get everything out in the open. No stone unturned. EBTs, 5 way agreements, the Hun accounts being ok to play in Europe? Go for it is what I say
Unfortunately what will happen is that the government n will use their media lackeys to spin it to them being the good guys and being shafted. **** the huns and all who follow them

[Onion]

An independent enquiry will take weeks if not months to conclude.

During that time, clubs - egged on by the media extremists - will be tearing each other apart while earning no money, selling no tickets and unable to manage their businesses (transfers etc).

Then you have the problem of who should run the enquiry. There will be disagreement over that as well. And who picks up the costs for it and where does that money come from. It cannot under any circumstances come from The Rangers or any group of clubs. That immediately introduces a potential conflict of interests.

And what if the enquiry shows that the Resolution vote was flawed ? What then. Another vote on the same matter ? Will another vote change anything ?

And will the "losers" gracefully accept the outcome of the enquiry ?

IMO this has all the hallmarks of the Reconstruction Taskforce - simply a delaying tactic to avoid the inevitable outcome for the aggrieved few. The sooner the Prem is called the better. Then, if the majority want to spend their time chasing shadows around reconstruction and witch hunts, then knock yourselves out.

[Spike Mandela]

https://www.afc.co.uk/2020/05/11/club-statement-monday-11th-may/

Dons statement now.[emoji849]


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Honourable but foolish. The time to have an independent inquiry was when there was a call to have one into the SFA handling of the EBT scandal and the alledged whitewash, cover up, complicity and corruption but no our gallant heroes from Hibs and Aberdeen were the first to urge ‘moving on’ with unseemly haste.

They have now created this bitter, emboldened entity from Ibrox lashing out at anything that dares to suggest their club died, or that they are cheats or that they are bigots etc etc. Cheered on by their army of hacks happy to do their bidding and ask them no difficult questions.

This should have been nipped in the bud years ago. The SPFL member clubs have nobody to blame but themselves for this complete and utter embarrassment of a farce.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

An independent enquiry will take weeks if not months to conclude.

During that time, clubs - egged on by the media extremists - will be tearing each other apart while earning no money, selling no tickets and unable to manage their businesses (transfers etc).

Then you have the problem of who should run the enquiry. There will be disagreement over that as well. And who picks up the costs for it and where does that money come from. It cannot under any circumstances come from The Rangers or any group of clubs. That immediately introduces a potential conflict of interests.

And what if the enquiry shows that the Resolution vote was flawed ? What then. Another vote on the same matter ? Will another vote change anything ?

And will the "losers" gracefully accept the outcome of the enquiry ?

IMO this has all the hallmarks of the Reconstruction Taskforce - simply a delaying tactic to avoid the inevitable outcome for the aggrieved few. The sooner the Prem is called the better. Then, if the majority want to spend their time chasing shadows around reconstruction and witch hunts, then knock yourselves out.

100%. If we don't conclude the Prem league tomorrow we may as well switch the light off for Scottish football.

[660]

Aberdeen huns of the north

[Jim44]

Aberdeen are boxing clever by not burning all bridges with Rangers. The worst case scenario is that, when this whole thing finally explodes and gets even messier than it is just now, there could very well be a split in the leagues. I know that sounds fanciful and laughable just now but I’m sure Scottish football is heading for something which was unimaginable three months ago, just as the way the Coronavirus has created a world crisis we could never have dreamed possible. Look out for a binge of political manoeuvring in football circles in the next few weeks.

[Brightside]

No issue with an enquiry. But it will happen once the league standings are confirmed.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Call the league first, contemplate your navel second...

[Since90+2]

Aberdeen are boxing clever by not burning all bridges with Rangers. The worst case scenario is that, when this whole thing finally explodes and gets even messier than it is just now, there could very well be a split in the leagues. I know that sounds fanciful and laughable just now but I’m sure Scottish football is heading for something which was unimaginable three months ago, just as the way the Coronavirus has created a world crisis we could never have dreamed possible. Look out for a binge of political manoeuvring in football circles in the next few weeks.

There is absolutely no chance the league will split. None.

[The Count]

The media can make the gulity look innocent.
This is what has been happening in Scotland for years the media has an unhealthy leaning towards the establistment clubs.What ever way this vote goes Rangers and Hearts will be portrayed as the innocent clubs.You will not beat in the media people have tried for years to no avail unfortunately

[Onion]

Aberdeen are boxing clever by not burning all bridges with Rangers. The worst case scenario is that, when this whole thing finally explodes and gets even messier than it is just now, there could very well be a split in the leagues. I know that sounds fanciful and laughable just now but I’m sure Scottish football is heading for something which was unimaginable three months ago, just as the way the Coronavirus has created a world crisis we could never have dreamed possible. Look out for a binge of political manoeuvring in football circles in the next few weeks.

Ignore talk of breakaway leagues from the likes of Hearts, this just is never going to happen for no other reason than The Rangers are nothing without Celtic and vice versa. They absolutely rely each other to support their religious, bigoted proposition and their appeal to TV broadcasters. The clubs need to toss out The Rangers "evidence" and treat it with the disdain it deserves.

[660]

There is absolutely no chance the league will split. None.

Pretty much

[truehibernian]

No issue with an enquiry. But it will happen once the league standings are confirmed.

I've huge issues with The Rangers paying for it though. This is a club remember that in the past wanted to see articles that were going to be published about them prior to final publication so they could edit or amend. Can you not see The Rangers asking the 'independent' review, "how's the report going...can we see it so far".......and then making their opinion known prior to any final report ? Because I certainly can.

All 42 clubs should contribute to the cost of a review - not just one or two. Then it is truly impartial.

[ancient hibee]

Just been texting my mate about this. Let's have a truly independent inquiry, let's get everything out in the open. No stone unturned. EBTs, 5 way agreements, the Hun accounts being ok to play in Europe? Go for it is what I say
Unfortunately what will happen is that the government n will use their media lackeys to spin it to them being the good guys and being shafted. **** the huns and all who follow them

I’m a bit perplexed.Which government is getting involved?

[Numptie]

Needs 9 - There are 3 definite fors - Rangers, Hearts and Aberdeen - are there another 6 that will support them??

[hibbyfraelibby]

Needs 9 - There are 3 definite fors - Rangers, Hearts and Aberdeen - are there another 6 that will support them??

Needs 33 not 9 surely (75%)

[Ozyhibby]

Needs 33 not 9 surely (75%)

Yes, needs 33. No chance it passes.


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[Numptie]

75% of Premiership clubs to vote in favour (9), 75% of championship clubs to vote in favour (8) and 75% of League 1 and 2 combined (15). Not a total of 75%, it's within each league - or group of leagues.

[Onion]

Yes, needs 33. No chance it passes.


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As you say, not a chance. Just more hot air and posturing by Sevco. There might actually come a point in time, when Sevco have a valid case, but their credibility with EVERYONE will be so shot, they'll be ignored.

Sevco - Masters of deflection and lies since 2012.

[hibbyfraelibby]

75% of Premiership clubs to vote in favour (9), 75% of championship clubs to vote in favour (8) and 75% of League 1 and 2 combined (15). Not a total of 75%, it's within each league - or group of leagues.

So if 3 Championship teams vote against 7.5% of the membership can scupper it even if every other team vote in favour? Now Dundee United and Dunfermline Athletic only need one other Championship club to support them and Alloa are being targetted by the ICT bully boy. Mmmm

[Ozyhibby]

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SPFL QC opinion on Null and Void.


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[Tug Wilson]

So if 3 Championship teams vote against 7.5% of the membership can scupper it even if every other team vote in favour? Now Dundee United and Dunfermline Athletic only need one other Championship club to support them and Alloa are being targetted by the ICT bully boy. Mmmm

I doubt any league group is going to achieve 75% for the resolution.

Be interesting if any get over 50%

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[weecounty hibby]

I’m a bit perplexed.Which government is getting involved?

Autocorrect, tried to type the Hun and got government. Hmmm maybe auto correct is cleverer than I thought! 😃

[007]

I understand why people would want the investigation to go ahead, so it can prove Rangers were in the wrong and so it puts the matter to bed. I would rather the clubs chucked it out just now. As far as I'm concerned Rangers don't have any credibility. They have a track record of coming out with ridiculous claims and statements along with all the other stuff EBTs etc. My concern is that the more votes they get tomorrow the more credibility it gives them. Even if an independent inquiry went ahead and found there was absolutely nothing in any of their allegations, they wouldn't accept it and would claim it was flawed in some way so the matter wouldn't be put to bed.

I don't believe for a minute that all they are concerned about is the good governance of the SPFL. If the Resolution a month ago had one more no vote and failed would they still be going on this crusade? The most likely reasons for their actions are revenge on Neil Doncaster, to deflect away from the 9 in a row, to downgrade Celtic's title so they can say it doesn't count and demand an asterisk next to it and probably other reasons but unlikely that ensuring good governance us one of them.

Scottish football is in a crisis at the moment and an investigation will waste time and money and hinder us getting football back up and running again. They couldn't have chosen a worse time to decide all of a sudden they are the moral arbiters of Scottish football.

The SPFL isn't perfect, particularly on matters such as sectarianism however over the years the SFA and SPL/SPFL boards have been made up of numerous people, with many clubs having had representatives on the SPFL board and none of them have managed to deal with sectarianism.

In the 2 interviews with Neil Doncaster I've heard on the radio he's come across as a very credible guy so I'd be more inclined to believe him over anything Rangers allege. The recent criticism of him all seems to be coming from clubs who have been unlucky with how the calling of the leagues has impacted them. It is understandable that they're unhappy but they seem to have bought into the Rangers and the media hyperbole. I don't think I've seen any criticism from any clubs that have essentially been neither negatively or positively impacted. Hopefully those clubs will make their decision based on their own experiences in dealing with Neil Doncaster and Rod McKenzie.

There are representatives from 6 other clubs on the SPFL board an each one of them have signed the letters responding to Rangers allegations when writing to the clubs. These are all professional people and those I've heard on the radio or seen statements from all come across as credible and with integrity. Les Gray for example, even though I didn't agree with reconstruction, I still thought he came across on Sportsound very well and you'd respect what he had to say. As far as I'm concerned it says a heck of a lot that not a single one of them is siding with Rangers.

[Victor]

Surely Doncaster is an employee of the SPFL and as such can be ‘sacked’ by the members if they think he is inept or corrupt or whatever. Why do they not have a vote of confidence on him and if they think he is rubbish, remove him? This would save any enquiry.


Obviously this vote should not take place until after the premier league has been called and Hearts are relegated!


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[ancient hibee]

Autocorrect, tried to type the Hun and got government. Hmmm maybe auto correct is cleverer than I thought! 😃

The future is Orange.

[The 90+2]

Surely Doncaster is an employee of the SPFL and as such can be ‘sacked’ by the members if they think he is inept or corrupt or whatever. Why do they not have a vote of confidence on him and if they think he is rubbish, remove him? This would save any enquiry.


Obviously this vote should not take place until after the premier league has been called and Hearts are relegated!


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They should have a vote of confidence in him and give him a wage rise to infuriate the mob more, he’s not done anything wrong this time (so he will get sacked due to the irony)

[Ozyhibby]

Meeting starts at 11am tomorrow. Results by 3pm.
Dundee due to vote on Friday.


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[Ozyhibby]

Statement from Brechin.


https://brechincity.com/bcfc/p/n/2277

Because why not?


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[grunt]

Brechin saying that comments in the dossier about their Chairman's role in the vote are untrue.

2277 (https://brechincity.com/bcfc/p/n/2277).

[Scotty Leither]

I think what's p!ssing me off about this whole charade is that the 3 clubs at the centre of it, Sevco, Hearts and Dundee are all squealing about "governance" when between the 3 of them they have one liquidation, and 3 administration events to their name, and also hooked up with various charlatans in the shape of Craig Whyte, Romanov, and Di Stefano.

3 utter fantasists who sold the Light Blue, Dark Blue and Maroon masses a "vision" which was built on a pile of debt, never repaid and nary a hint of contrition from any of them when it all went belly-up, and especially from that mob across the road, who wouldn't change a single thing supposing Romanov was to walk in the door and do it all again.

I can understand other clubs not wanting to wade into this and call them out for it as the whole thing is becoming poisonous, but our esteemed media have short memories where these 3 are concerned, and abandoned any precept of "balance" in pursuit of sensationalist and hysterical headlines a long time ago.

I hope the resolution does get booted out, the leagues are called and Sevco can continue to bark at the moon, and Hearts can pursue their claim with some ambulance chasing lawyer on the recommendation of Leslie Deans.

Get it done this week SPFL, and then the adults can get back to the business of planning for the future.

Oh aye, and while they're at it, hit that rabble rouser from Inverness with a disrepute charge and a points penalty and hefty fine for good measure.

[Clarence]

You have to feel a wee bit sorry for these new clubs like The Rangers as they have no chance of influencing the establishment.

[theonlywayisup]

The views of Charles Patterson, Sky TV presenter.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11792/11986636/coronavirus-spfl-clubs-to-decide-on-independent-investigation

All 42 SPFL clubs will vote on Tuesday to decide whether an investigation should be launched into the conduct of the SPFL. Sky Sports News reporter Charles Paterson looks at some of the key issues facing the clubs and the governing body.

Tuesday marks another fork in the road for the future of the 2019-2020 Scottish Premiership season. An Extraordinary General Meeting of all 42 SPFL clubs will decide whether to launch an independent investigation into April's vote to end the season.

The resolution, proposed by Rangers and backed by Hearts and Stranraer, requires at least 32 votes - a minimum of nine Premiership clubs, eight Championship clubs and 15 clubs in Leagues One and Two combined must vote in favour for an investigation to be launched.

The embattled SPFL executives have warned an investigation would be time-consuming, expensive and potentially damaging for clubs struggling to stay afloat during the Covid-19 pandemic.

Six of the seven club representatives on the SPFL board signed a letter refuting Rangers' claims, while warning of an "incalculable cost to the game" if the requisitioners chose to pursue their case.

The numbers don't appear to stack up for those seeking an inquiry. Two Premiership clubs represented on the SPFL board, Motherwell and Hamilton, seem certain to vote against and another top-flight club has already privately expressed their intention to do the same. If one more follows suit, the resolution is sunk.

Some clubs have issue with the matters voted upon in April, others are incandescent about the early release of the results, and the question-marks over Dundee's voting U-turn.

Clubs across all four divisions, and those in the Highland and Lowland Leagues, have been scathing in their criticism about failed league reconstruction talks, which were torpedoed by Premiership clubs last week.

Rangers are at the forefront of those seeking more detailed answers than those provided by the SPFL's internal inquiry, conducted by Deloitte.

Their much-anticipated "dossier of evidence" released last Thursday was lengthy and detailed, and focused on complaints around process and governance, but did not appear to provide any seismic revelations.

The Ibrox club have offered to fund the independent investigation if it's approved and appear determined to take their case as far as possible.

Their original accusations of "coercion and bullying" in the immediate aftermath of the April vote have been vehemently denied by chief executive Neil Doncaster and the majority of the SPFL board - the awkwardness of the situation is enhanced by the fact that Stewart Robertson, Rangers' managing director, sits on that board.

Many clubs are also unhappy at the basic rhetoric of the SPFL in recent week. Of the many things Doncaster and his fellow executives have been accused of, one of the few they have accepted is the league's communications could have been better handled.

Going forward, the SPFL must examine how it communicates with clubs and supporters - but the structure of the league hierarchy is also up for debate.

There are no club representatives on the three-person English Premier League (EPL) board, in Scotland, seven clubs are represented and voted onto the board on an annual basis.

Historically, clubs in England are guided away from voting on big issues, with matters of significant importance deferred to the FA board if necessary.

The last vote in the EPL was in 2017, on altering the dates of the summer transfer window, the SPFL is about to conduct its second vote in five weeks.

One Premiership owner told me in late March, before the SPFL's resolution was even on the table, that any decision to end the season "should be made by the elected board and not by the clubs - involving 42 voices will only create problems".

That owner has been proved correct, and spectacularly so, but the reason clubs could vote was based on the league's own laws - which, of course, only the clubs can vote to change.

Would this scenario have unfolded if the SPFL board had made an executive decision themselves - or indeed if the government had decreed, as in France or the Netherlands, that there would be no sport until September?

There would certainly have been dissenting voices against and maybe even calls for an investigation or threats of legal action - but it would have also been a demonstration of strong leadership. The protests would likely have dissipated. Instead, a civil war has erupted.

[Jim44]

I think what's p!ssing me off about this whole charade is that the 3 clubs at the centre of it, Sevco, Hearts and Dundee are all squealing about "governance" when between the 3 of them they have one liquidation, and 3 administration events to their name, and also hooked up with various charlatans in the shape of Craig Whyte, Romanov, and Di Stefano.

3 utter fantasists who sold the Light Blue, Dark Blue and Maroon masses a "vision" which was built on a pile of debt, never repaid and nary a hint of contrition from any of them when it all went belly-up, and especially from that mob across the road, who wouldn't change a single thing supposing Romanov was to walk in the door and do it all again.

I can understand other clubs not wanting to wade into this and call them out for it as the whole thing is becoming poisonous, but our esteemed media have short memories where these 3 are concerned, and abandoned any precept of "balance" in pursuit of sensationalist and hysterical headlines a long time ago.

I hope the resolution does get booted out, the leagues are called and Sevco can continue to bark at the moon, and Hearts can pursue their claim with some ambulance chasing lawyer on the recommendation of Leslie Deans.

Get it done this week SPFL, and then the adults can get back to the business of planning for the future.

Oh aye, and while they're at it, hit that rabble rouser from Inverness with a disrepute charge and a points penalty and hefty fine for good measure.

Nicely put. :aok:

[Sergio sledge]

The views of Charles Patterson, Sky TV presenter.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11792/11986636/coronavirus-spfl-clubs-to-decide-on-independent-investigation

All 42 SPFL clubs will vote on Tuesday to decide whether an investigation should be launched into the conduct of the SPFL. Sky Sports News reporter Charles Paterson looks at some of the key issues facing the clubs and the governing body.

Tuesday marks another fork in the road for the future of the 2019-2020 Scottish Premiership season. An Extraordinary General Meeting of all 42 SPFL clubs will decide whether to launch an independent investigation into April's vote to end the season.

The resolution, proposed by Rangers and backed by Hearts and Stranraer, requires at least 32 votes - a minimum of nine Premiership clubs, eight Championship clubs and 15 clubs in Leagues One and Two combined must vote in favour for an investigation to be launched.

The embattled SPFL executives have warned an investigation would be time-consuming, expensive and potentially damaging for clubs struggling to stay afloat during the Covid-19 pandemic.

Six of the seven club representatives on the SPFL board signed a letter refuting Rangers' claims, while warning of an "incalculable cost to the game" if the requisitioners chose to pursue their case.

The numbers don't appear to stack up for those seeking an inquiry. Two Premiership clubs represented on the SPFL board, Motherwell and Hamilton, seem certain to vote against and another top-flight club has already privately expressed their intention to do the same. If one more follows suit, the resolution is sunk.

Some clubs have issue with the matters voted upon in April, others are incandescent about the early release of the results, and the question-marks over Dundee's voting U-turn.

Clubs across all four divisions, and those in the Highland and Lowland Leagues, have been scathing in their criticism about failed league reconstruction talks, which were torpedoed by Premiership clubs last week.

Rangers are at the forefront of those seeking more detailed answers than those provided by the SPFL's internal inquiry, conducted by Deloitte.

Their much-anticipated "dossier of evidence" released last Thursday was lengthy and detailed, and focused on complaints around process and governance, but did not appear to provide any seismic revelations.

The Ibrox club have offered to fund the independent investigation if it's approved and appear determined to take their case as far as possible.

Their original accusations of "coercion and bullying" in the immediate aftermath of the April vote have been vehemently denied by chief executive Neil Doncaster and the majority of the SPFL board - the awkwardness of the situation is enhanced by the fact that Stewart Robertson, Rangers' managing director, sits on that board.

Many clubs are also unhappy at the basic rhetoric of the SPFL in recent week. Of the many things Doncaster and his fellow executives have been accused of, one of the few they have accepted is the league's communications could have been better handled.

Going forward, the SPFL must examine how it communicates with clubs and supporters - but the structure of the league hierarchy is also up for debate.

There are no club representatives on the three-person English Premier League (EPL) board, in Scotland, seven clubs are represented and voted onto the board on an annual basis.

Historically, clubs in England are guided away from voting on big issues, with matters of significant importance deferred to the FA board if necessary.

The last vote in the EPL was in 2017, on altering the dates of the summer transfer window, the SPFL is about to conduct its second vote in five weeks.

One Premiership owner told me in late March, before the SPFL's resolution was even on the table, that any decision to end the season "should be made by the elected board and not by the clubs - involving 42 voices will only create problems".

That owner has been proved correct, and spectacularly so, but the reason clubs could vote was based on the league's own laws - which, of course, only the clubs can vote to change.

Would this scenario have unfolded if the SPFL board had made an executive decision themselves - or indeed if the government had decreed, as in France or the Netherlands, that there would be no sport until September?

There would certainly have been dissenting voices against and maybe even calls for an investigation or threats of legal action - but it would have also been a demonstration of strong leadership. The protests would likely have dissipated. Instead, a civil war has erupted.

That's a pretty fair article, I'd agree with him at the end, having all 42 clubs voting on things is one of the main reasons we are in this situation, there's absolutely no chance of getting full agreement with those numbers involved.

There should be a democratically elected board which then makes the decisions without putting it out to clubs for a vote.

[Jim44]

I understand why people would want the investigation to go ahead, so it can prove Rangers were in the wrong and so it puts the matter to bed. I would rather the clubs chucked it out just now. As far as I'm concerned Rangers don't have any credibility. They have a track record of coming out with ridiculous claims and statements along with all the other stuff EBTs etc. My concern is that the more votes they get tomorrow the more credibility it gives them. Even if an independent inquiry went ahead and found there was absolutely nothing in any of their allegations, they wouldn't accept it and would claim it was flawed in some way so the matter wouldn't be put to bed.

I don't believe for a minute that all they are concerned about is the good governance of the SPFL. If the Resolution a month ago had one more no vote and failed would they still be going on this crusade? The most likely reasons for their actions are revenge on Neil Doncaster, to deflect away from the 9 in a row, to downgrade Celtic's title so they can say it doesn't count and demand an asterisk next to it and probably other reasons but unlikely that ensuring good governance us one of them.

Scottish football is in a crisis at the moment and an investigation will waste time and money and hinder us getting football back up and running again. They couldn't have chosen a worse time to decide all of a sudden they are the moral arbiters of Scottish football.

The SPFL isn't perfect, particularly on matters such as sectarianism however over the years the SFA and SPL/SPFL boards have been made up of numerous people, with many clubs having had representatives on the SPFL board and none of them have managed to deal with sectarianism.

In the 2 interviews with Neil Doncaster I've heard on the radio he's come across as a very credible guy so I'd be more inclined to believe him over anything Rangers allege. The recent criticism of him all seems to be coming from clubs who have been unlucky with how the calling of the leagues has impacted them. It is understandable that they're unhappy but they seem to have bought into the Rangers and the media hyperbole. I don't think I've seen any criticism from any clubs that have essentially been neither negatively or positively impacted. Hopefully those clubs will make their decision based on their own experiences in dealing with Neil Doncaster and Rod McKenzie.

There are representatives from 6 other clubs on the SPFL board an each one of them have signed the letters responding to Rangers allegations when writing to the clubs. These are all professional people and those I've heard on the radio or seen statements from all come across as credible and with integrity. Les Gray for example, even though I didn't agree with reconstruction, I still thought he came across on Sportsound very well and you'd respect what he had to say. As far as I'm concerned it says a heck of a lot that not a single one of them is siding with Rangers.

:agree:

[007]

Statement from Brechin.


https://brechincity.com/bcfc/p/n/2277

Because why not?


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Yeah, everyone seems to be getting in on the act. That said, you can see why in this case because they're saying Rangers dossier contains totally fabricated evidence. Looks like they might have sexed up the dossier after all.

[Onion]

That's a pretty fair article, I'd agree with him at the end, having all 42 clubs voting on things is one of the main reasons we are in this situation, there's absolutely no chance of getting full agreement with those numbers involved.

There should be a democratically elected board which then makes the decisions without putting it out to clubs for a vote.

At the very least, those clubs who agree to be a member of the 42 must abide and fully accept the results of any democratic vote. No one is asking them to be happy with the outcome but they must at least respect and accept it. Anyone (incl Hearts) threatening legal action against all the other clubs should result in immediate expulsion.

There should be no question of them continuing to be a member. Their position is untenable.

[Del Boy]

Interesting that the BBC Website have not bothered to report Brechin’s statement, but are quick to promote statements from the angry accusers to the top of their sports page. Similarly the ICT statement accusing Dunfermline was their top story yesterday whereas Dunfermline’s angry response was not given the same prominence. The BBC sportsound coverage of the whole affair has been heavily weighted towards the minority clubs as well - Leslie Deans whining on Saturday was almost as ridiculous as having the Northern Ireland MP bigot on the previous week.

Also, Tom English has come across as an absolute twat over the whole saga.

[Barney McGrew]

Tomorrow will be statement o’clock all day

[Waxy]

That's a pretty fair article, I'd agree with him at the end, having all 42 clubs voting on things is one of the main reasons we are in this situation, there's absolutely no chance of getting full agreement with those numbers involved.

There should be a democratically elected board which then makes the decisions without putting it out to clubs for a vote.
I’m quite happy there’s democratic votes by the clubs on major decisions.
You’ll never get full agreement anyway ever.
Putting a small amount of people in charge leaves it open to go miles away from what the majority want. If that could happen anywhere it would happen in Scotland first.

[Swedish hibee]

Got my popcorn ready for tomorrow...

[CapitalGreen]

How good is it to support a club that’s well run, which is focussed on helping the community during this difficult time and planning how we can bring football back.

[Since452]

Tears and snotters from Ibrox and the PBS tomorrow. Can't wait.

[Del Boy]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/secret-inverness-plan-null-void-22011151.amp?__twitter_impression=true

truly bizarre behaviour from ICT, until you remember that Scott Gardiner is more concerned about the club he supports than the club who employs him.

[jacomo]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/secret-inverness-plan-null-void-22011151.amp?__twitter_impression=true

truly bizarre behaviour from ICT, until you remember that Scott Gardiner is more concerned about the club he supports than the club who employs him.


‘Null and void’ benefits 4 clubs at the expense of all others. Where is the sense in that?

Is Gardiner doing this because he’s a massive Hun or has he been promised something from Sevco if he delivers the goods for them?

It seems that he was advocating a plan that would directly cost his employers a serious amount of money. How do the ICT board feel about that?

[Del Boy]

Remember Gardiner on sportsound the day after the initial vote practically in tears because Dundee hadn’t voted and he was claiming he was worried sick about people at Partick losing their jobs etc and sportsound (particularly Tom English) lapped it all up, the guy couldn’t give a **** about Partick- he is utterly obsessed with Sevco.

Every time Tom English says he’s been speaking to a “championship source” it is this cretin.

[Bostonhibby]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/secret-inverness-plan-null-void-22011151.amp?__twitter_impression=true

truly bizarre behaviour from ICT, until you remember that Scott Gardiner is more concerned about the club he supports than the club who employs him.Certainly reads like they've got a bit of a cuckoo in the nest[emoji6]

Guess it's up to Inverness's board to work out how good a job he's doing of managing their interests and image.

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[The 90+2]

Remember Gardiner on sportsound the day after the initial vote practically in tears because Dundee hadn’t voted and he was claiming he was worried sick about people at Partick losing their jobs etc and sportsound (particularly Tom English) lapped it all up, the guy couldn’t give a **** about Partick- he is utterly obsessed with Sevco.

Every time Tom English says he’s been speaking to a “championship source” it is this cretin.

English lapped it up because Gardiner is putting the best interests of the club he represents behind the hearts and huns agenda. He’s a total utter snake of a guy and why his opinions are taken serious having been a complete flop everywhere is crazy.

[007]

Remember Gardiner on sportsound the day after the initial vote practically in tears because Dundee hadn’t voted and he was claiming he was worried sick about people at Partick losing their jobs etc and sportsound (particularly Tom English) lapped it all up, the guy couldn’t give a **** about Partick- he is utterly obsessed with Sevco.

Every time Tom English says he’s been speaking to a “championship source” it is this cretin.

Yes, this is a very interesting turn of events. Can't wait to hear Sportsound and English ignore it completely.

I would like to see an independent investigation into Inverness's behaviour. Wonder if they've been promised any glamour friendlies/loan players.

[HoboHarry]

Looks like he's already been fitted the compulsory brown brogues needed to fit in at Sevco.....

[we are hibs]

Gardiner is a snake. Hes the one leaking "info" to English. There is dodgy dealings going on but day by day its becoming more apparent its not by those accused and more those who have been accusing.

[Brunswickbill]

I reckon Sevco want the independent inquiry to be thrown out. They know that they have scraped around to make a case and that there is no chance of an inquiry finding anything of any substance. If SPFL are given a clean bill of health it exposes them as frauds. If, on the other hand, the inquiry is thrown out, they can forever claim corruption of the SPFL to support the assertion that Celtic were awarded the league title unfairly.

[McSwanky]

I reckon Sevco want the independent inquiry to be thrown out. They know that they have scraped around to make a case and that there is no chance of an inquiry finding anything of any substance. If SPFL are given a clean bill of health it exposes them as frauds. If, on the other hand, the inquiry is thrown out, they can forever claim corruption of the SPFL to support the assertion that Celtic were awarded the league title unfairly.It's lose - lose here IMO.

Inquiry gets thrown out : "everyone is against us, the game is corrupt"

Inquiry goes ahead and finds no wrong doing by SPFL : "the inquiry wasn't independent, the game is corrupt"

There is nothing that can happen now that will result in contrition from them, it's gone too far for that and their fans wouldn't accept a climb down.

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[Jim44]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/secret-inverness-plan-null-void-22011151.amp?__twitter_impression=true

truly bizarre behaviour from ICT, until you remember that Scott Gardiner is more concerned about the club he supports than the club who employs him.

It seems clear that Gardiner either supports Rangers or has strong affinity with them. I think all Rangers supporters would consider this acceptable and neither here nor there.
However, on the front page of FF Fanzine they have an article today, decrying John Nelms for being a Celtic supporter or at least has strong affinities with Celtic.

For a man who has recently become the subject of so much interest in Scottish football, John Nelms is largely unknown to most Scottish football fans.
He came to Dundee alongside his pal Tim Keys – Keys is the son of James H Keys the owner of the massive industrial Johnson Controls company.
Neither are native Texans but met when Keys’ son joined a football club coached by Nelms. The club was a pay-for-play franchised offshoot of the Houston Dynamos MLS team. At the time Nelms was living in rented accommodation in Austin. Once Keys started to look for a soccer club to invest in Nelms would rise alongside him.
After being courted by St Mirren, Keys decided to settle on Dundee FC and along with a couple of other investors new shares and funds were issued and in all, by various means, somewhere between £650,000 and £850,000 were invested by new funds and buying existing shares.
Since then Mr Nelms has flourished as managing director of Dundee FC – so much so that he now lives with his family in an 8,000 square feet mansion formerly owned by the DC Thomson publishing family.
He’s also taken on a directorship of a brewing company – which coincidentally he came into contact with through a beer festival which is hosted at Dens Park every year.
His profile also rose as he became more active within the corridors of power in Scottish football – almost immediately, in 2015, there was the curious episode where the SPFL suddenly considered the idea of Celtic playing a league game in America to showcase the SPFL and Dundee were keen to assist. This would of course require some tinkering with regulations so that teams not playing the same in the same venues would not suffer a sporting disadvantage.
In season 2016-17 Dundee were awarded a Dundee v Celtic match for 19th March – the weekend of St Patrick’s Day.
In the last season Dundee were in Premiership (2018-19) some may consider it very curious and wonderfully coincidental that the SPFL’s super duper Canadian fixture computer again generated a Dundee v Celtic match for *St Patrick’s Day weekend – March 16th. How lucky was that?
And this would, or course, be really lovely for John. This is not his first spell in Scotland. His father was a contractor working for the US Navy at the Faslane submarine yards for three years during formative years. Years in which John became a Celtic fan and still proudly shows close friends a picture of himself in their colours.
All in all, a wonderful series of coincidences don’t you think?

[JimBHibees]

‘Null and void’ benefits 4 clubs at the expense of all others. Where is the sense in that?

Is Gardiner doing this because he’s a massive Hun or has he been promised something from Sevco if he delivers the goods for them?

It seems that he was advocating a plan that would directly cost his employers a serious amount of money. How do the ICT board feel about that?

No way on earth the other clubs would have voted that through though it does suggest ulterior motives. Very odd behaviour as that would have effectively ruled out any chance of his club gaining promotion to top league. Smells corrupt.

[Barney McGrew]

It seems clear that Gardiner either supports Rangers or has strong affinity with them.

It’s widely known that he’s a Rangers supporter and ex Rangers and Hearts employee.

Obviously that will have nothing to do with how he’s dealing with this crisis.

[JimBHibees]

I reckon Sevco want the independent inquiry to be thrown out. They know that they have scraped around to make a case and that there is no chance of an inquiry finding anything of any substance. If SPFL are given a clean bill of health it exposes them as frauds. If, on the other hand, the inquiry is thrown out, they can forever claim corruption of the SPFL to support the assertion that Celtic were awarded the league title unfairly.

They wouldn't accept the investigation outcomes though if it went against them. Let's vote it out and let them moan. Shambles of a club.

The one interesting aspect of this whole thing has been the complete silence from Celtic.

[JimBHibees]

It seems clear that Gardiner either supports Rangers or has strong affinity with them. I think all Rangers supporters would consider this acceptable and neither here nor there.
However, on the front page of FF Fanzine they have an article today, decrying John Nelms for being a Celtic supporter or at least has strong affinities with Celtic.

For a man who has recently become the subject of so much interest in Scottish football, John Nelms is largely unknown to most Scottish football fans.
He came to Dundee alongside his pal Tim Keys – Keys is the son of James H Keys the owner of the massive industrial Johnson Controls company.
Neither are native Texans but met when Keys’ son joined a football club coached by Nelms. The club was a pay-for-play franchised offshoot of the Houston Dynamos MLS team. At the time Nelms was living in rented accommodation in Austin. Once Keys started to look for a soccer club to invest in Nelms would rise alongside him.
After being courted by St Mirren, Keys decided to settle on Dundee FC and along with a couple of other investors new shares and funds were issued and in all, by various means, somewhere between £650,000 and £850,000 were invested by new funds and buying existing shares.
Since then Mr Nelms has flourished as managing director of Dundee FC – so much so that he now lives with his family in an 8,000 square feet mansion formerly owned by the DC Thomson publishing family.
He’s also taken on a directorship of a brewing company – which coincidentally he came into contact with through a beer festival which is hosted at Dens Park every year.
His profile also rose as he became more active within the corridors of power in Scottish football – almost immediately, in 2015, there was the curious episode where the SPFL suddenly considered the idea of Celtic playing a league game in America to showcase the SPFL and Dundee were keen to assist. This would of course require some tinkering with regulations so that teams not playing the same in the same venues would not suffer a sporting disadvantage.
In season 2016-17 Dundee were awarded a Dundee v Celtic match for 19th March – the weekend of St Patrick’s Day.
In the last season Dundee were in Premiership (2018-19) some may consider it very curious and wonderfully coincidental that the SPFL’s super duper Canadian fixture computer again generated a Dundee v Celtic match for *St Patrick’s Day weekend – March 16th. How lucky was that?
And this would, or course, be really lovely for John. This is not his first spell in Scotland. His father was a contractor working for the US Navy at the Faslane submarine yards for three years during formative years. Years in which John became a Celtic fan and still proudly shows close friends a picture of himself in their colours.
All in all, a wonderful series of coincidences don’t you think?

How messed up is that thinking. A guy from Texas dad supported Celtic. Absolutely laughable. Slightly more tenuous than Gardiners links to Rangers.

[Bostonhibby]

It seems clear that Gardiner either supports Rangers or has strong affinity with them. I think all Rangers supporters would consider this acceptable and neither here nor there.
However, on the front page of FF Fanzine they have an article today, decrying John Nelms for being a Celtic supporter or at least has strong affinities with Celtic.

For a man who has recently become the subject of so much interest in Scottish football, John Nelms is largely unknown to most Scottish football fans.
He came to Dundee alongside his pal Tim Keys – Keys is the son of James H Keys the owner of the massive industrial Johnson Controls company.
Neither are native Texans but met when Keys’ son joined a football club coached by Nelms. The club was a pay-for-play franchised offshoot of the Houston Dynamos MLS team. At the time Nelms was living in rented accommodation in Austin. Once Keys started to look for a soccer club to invest in Nelms would rise alongside him.
After being courted by St Mirren, Keys decided to settle on Dundee FC and along with a couple of other investors new shares and funds were issued and in all, by various means, somewhere between £650,000 and £850,000 were invested by new funds and buying existing shares.
Since then Mr Nelms has flourished as managing director of Dundee FC – so much so that he now lives with his family in an 8,000 square feet mansion formerly owned by the DC Thomson publishing family.
He’s also taken on a directorship of a brewing company – which coincidentally he came into contact with through a beer festival which is hosted at Dens Park every year.
His profile also rose as he became more active within the corridors of power in Scottish football – almost immediately, in 2015, there was the curious episode where the SPFL suddenly considered the idea of Celtic playing a league game in America to showcase the SPFL and Dundee were keen to assist. This would of course require some tinkering with regulations so that teams not playing the same in the same venues would not suffer a sporting disadvantage.
In season 2016-17 Dundee were awarded a Dundee v Celtic match for 19th March – the weekend of St Patrick’s Day.
In the last season Dundee were in Premiership (2018-19) some may consider it very curious and wonderfully coincidental that the SPFL’s super duper Canadian fixture computer again generated a Dundee v Celtic match for *St Patrick’s Day weekend – March 16th. How lucky was that?
And this would, or course, be really lovely for John. This is not his first spell in Scotland. His father was a contractor working for the US Navy at the Faslane submarine yards for three years during formative years. Years in which John became a Celtic fan and still proudly shows close friends a picture of himself in their colours.
All in all, a wonderful series of coincidences don’t you think?All very sinister when you reflect on the history of sevco's latest owner, for example. Not to mention some of the teams their supporters have a liking for.

They probably wish they had a clean pair of American hands backing them rather than a multiple convicted tax fraudster who wasn't around for the long term.

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[James Stephen]

Looks like he's already been fitted the compulsory brown brogues needed to fit in at Sevco.....

Funny, i noticed that too!

They do say you should dress for the job you want, not the one you have...

[Jim44]

They wouldn't accept the investigation outcomes though if it went against them. Let's vote it out and let them moan. Shambles of a club.

The one interesting aspect of this whole thing has been the complete silence from Celtic.


The Rangers muppets on FF will have you believe this is because Lawwell has been too busy personally organising and orchestrating the whole scenario. :rolleyes:

[Onion]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/secret-inverness-plan-null-void-22011151.amp?__twitter_impression=true

truly bizarre behaviour from ICT, until you remember that Scott Gardiner is more concerned about the club he supports than the club who employs him.

100% self interest. No reconstruction, so let's stop his beloved Hearts getting relegated and at same time increase ICT chances of promotion next season.

These clubs who squeal about self interest and try to portray themselves as "advancing the game", "being fair", champions of "sporting integrity" are just brazen liars.

[green day]

The one interesting aspect of this whole thing has been the complete silence from Celtic.

Whatever any of us think of Celtic, there is one truth to them - they never release a statement unless they feel that Celtic FC or their fans have been "wronged" in some way.

So far, every decision has fallen the right way (for them), so its sit back and light a cigar time for them.

They have a ton of cash in the bank and are the one club that may survive this crisis - so have no need to issue the kind of tear stained nonsense of their neighbours.

Once the league is called and they are deemed Champions, they will release something.

[Barney McGrew]

It’s widely known that he’s a Rangers supporter and ex Rangers and Hearts employee.

Obviously that will have nothing to do with how he’s dealing with this crisis.

It’s probably worth mentioning that he’s John Brown’s business partner, has a dog called Cooper and says brown brogues are his footwear of choice :faf:

No conflict of interest at all, definitely not, honest.

[weecounty hibby]

It seems clear that Gardiner either supports Rangers or has strong affinity with them. I think all Rangers supporters would consider this acceptable and neither here nor there.
However, on the front page of FF Fanzine they have an article today, decrying John Nelms for being a Celtic supporter or at least has strong affinities with Celtic.

For a man who has recently become the subject of so much interest in Scottish football, John Nelms is largely unknown to most Scottish football fans.
He came to Dundee alongside his pal Tim Keys – Keys is the son of James H Keys the owner of the massive industrial Johnson Controls company.
Neither are native Texans but met when Keys’ son joined a football club coached by Nelms. The club was a pay-for-play franchised offshoot of the Houston Dynamos MLS team. At the time Nelms was living in rented accommodation in Austin. Once Keys started to look for a soccer club to invest in Nelms would rise alongside him.
After being courted by St Mirren, Keys decided to settle on Dundee FC and along with a couple of other investors new shares and funds were issued and in all, by various means, somewhere between £650,000 and £850,000 were invested by new funds and buying existing shares.
Since then Mr Nelms has flourished as managing director of Dundee FC – so much so that he now lives with his family in an 8,000 square feet mansion formerly owned by the DC Thomson publishing family.
He’s also taken on a directorship of a brewing company – which coincidentally he came into contact with through a beer festival which is hosted at Dens Park every year.
His profile also rose as he became more active within the corridors of power in Scottish football – almost immediately, in 2015, there was the curious episode where the SPFL suddenly considered the idea of Celtic playing a league game in America to showcase the SPFL and Dundee were keen to assist. This would of course require some tinkering with regulations so that teams not playing the same in the same venues would not suffer a sporting disadvantage.
In season 2016-17 Dundee were awarded a Dundee v Celtic match for 19th March – the weekend of St Patrick’s Day.
In the last season Dundee were in Premiership (2018-19) some may consider it very curious and wonderfully coincidental that the SPFL’s super duper Canadian fixture computer again generated a Dundee v Celtic match for *St Patrick’s Day weekend – March 16th. How lucky was that?
And this would, or course, be really lovely for John. This is not his first spell in Scotland. His father was a contractor working for the US Navy at the Faslane submarine yards for three years during formative years. Years in which John became a Celtic fan and still proudly shows close friends a picture of himself in their colours.
All in all, a wonderful series of coincidences don’t you think?
At last, the smoking gun!! It is a great big Fenian conspiracy, the clues have been there all along. Dundee got to okay celtic on St Paddys day. You cannot argue with that kind of evidence. It's as clear as the sash on their shoulders that it is all those big bad kafflick Celtic supporters that have done it. Obviously aided and abetted by the tarriers at Easter Road. I mean look at how they have single handedly sent hearts down.
What a bunch of total roasters. I really worry about how many of these ****wits are walking the streets without supervision

[CentreLine]

It seems clear that Gardiner either supports Rangers or has strong affinity with them. I think all Rangers supporters would consider this acceptable and neither here nor there.
However, on the front page of FF Fanzine they have an article today, decrying John Nelms for being a Celtic supporter or at least has strong affinities with Celtic.

For a man who has recently become the subject of so much interest in Scottish football, John Nelms is largely unknown to most Scottish football fans.
He came to Dundee alongside his pal Tim Keys – Keys is the son of James H Keys the owner of the massive industrial Johnson Controls company.
Neither are native Texans but met when Keys’ son joined a football club coached by Nelms. The club was a pay-for-play franchised offshoot of the Houston Dynamos MLS team. At the time Nelms was living in rented accommodation in Austin. Once Keys started to look for a soccer club to invest in Nelms would rise alongside him.
After being courted by St Mirren, Keys decided to settle on Dundee FC and along with a couple of other investors new shares and funds were issued and in all, by various means, somewhere between £650,000 and £850,000 were invested by new funds and buying existing shares.
Since then Mr Nelms has flourished as managing director of Dundee FC – so much so that he now lives with his family in an 8,000 square feet mansion formerly owned by the DC Thomson publishing family.
He’s also taken on a directorship of a brewing company – which coincidentally he came into contact with through a beer festival which is hosted at Dens Park every year.
His profile also rose as he became more active within the corridors of power in Scottish football – almost immediately, in 2015, there was the curious episode where the SPFL suddenly considered the idea of Celtic playing a league game in America to showcase the SPFL and Dundee were keen to assist. This would of course require some tinkering with regulations so that teams not playing the same in the same venues would not suffer a sporting disadvantage.
In season 2016-17 Dundee were awarded a Dundee v Celtic match for 19th March – the weekend of St Patrick’s Day.
In the last season Dundee were in Premiership (2018-19) some may consider it very curious and wonderfully coincidental that the SPFL’s super duper Canadian fixture computer again generated a Dundee v Celtic match for *St Patrick’s Day weekend – March 16th. How lucky was that?
And this would, or course, be really lovely for John. This is not his first spell in Scotland. His father was a contractor working for the US Navy at the Faslane submarine yards for three years during formative years. Years in which John became a Celtic fan and still proudly shows close friends a picture of himself in their colours.
All in all, a wonderful series of coincidences don’t you think?


One for the older posters.
You may remember the long, ridiculous, story about “why the Russian flag is red”. Well this is right up there with that sense of logic. It has to be a wind up.

[EI255]

Hope The manky mob, the peepul, from Guvin won't be too disappointed after the clubs don't vote in their favour today. Ain't gonna happen.

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[Spike Mandela]

[/B]

The Rangers muppets on FF will have you believe this is because Lawwell has been too busy personally organising and orchestrating the whole scenario. :rolleyes:

Has there been a Celtic statement throughout any of this extended farce? They must be sitting back purring with delight watching all this nonsense going on. It’s all a win/win for them.

Hibs should do the same, keep our mouths shut and not intrude into other people’s personal grief, unless we are brought into it by their false accusations.

[007]

Brechin saying that comments in the dossier about their Chairman's role in the vote are untrue.

2277 (https://brechincity.com/bcfc/p/n/2277).

It seems either Brechin are lying on Rangers are. If it is Brechin then the other League 2 clubs will come out and refute the Brechin statement.

Same with the Dunfermline statement about the accusations of bullying.

https://www.dafc.co.uk/story.php?t=Chairman%60s_Statement_&ID=11909

If Dunfermline are wrong then the other 5 Championship clubs mentioned in their statement will come out and refute it.

If the dossier is wrong about both of the above then there are serious doubts over the veracity of the whole dossier.

[G B Young]

I've asked it before but why the **** are Rangers so bothered about all this in the first place?! I can get why Hearts are trying anything they can to weasel out of relegation, but Rangers? What's their gripe? Are they really going to all this bother because they can't handle Celtic (deservedly) being declared champions? If so, pathetic doesn't do justice to their behaviour in the current global climate.

[Jim44]

Another of their conspiracy theories is that it will be manipulated today for Rangers to win and an independent enquiry set up. This enquiry however will be engineered to find the SPFL clear of any underhandedness and Doncaster to be completely exonerated.

[Bostonhibby]

At last, the smoking gun!! It is a great big Fenian conspiracy, the clues have been there all along. Dundee got to okay celtic on St Paddys day. You cannot argue with that kind of evidence. It's as clear as the sash on their shoulders that it is all those big bad kafflick Celtic supporters that have done it. Obviously aided and abetted by the tarriers at Easter Road. I mean look at how they have single handedly sent hearts down.
What a bunch of total roasters. I really worry about how many of these ****wits are walking the streets without supervisionHad to deal with 3 in professional life, one really decent guy.

2 absolute bellends with no judgement. Dishing out masonic handshakes at first meetings.

Absolutely slagging of a Hibby in a coffee room before a meeting on a decent sized contract. Little did they know that their contract pitch was to another Hibby who had moved from working in house to independently consulting and advising the client they were pitching to.

The questions about their brand image and slogan along with how they'd be able to convey a message to all their people about how they'd treat all customers the same was one of my career highlights.

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