Lennon gone??

[easty]

I really don't understand why people can't get their heads around this mutual consent thing, to me it's pretty straightforward. Lennon overstepped the mark with his treatment of Flo and had a go at his boss Leeann. Now these 2 things aren't enough to sack him but it makes his ability to come back to work even more difficult. He's lost trust in a few players and cannot worked again with his boss, unlike other companies Lennon can't be moved to another department or office, so we pay him his due and wish him well.

:agree:

Seems pretty obvious to me.

[bigwheel]

I really don't understand why people can't get their heads around this mutual consent thing, to me it's pretty straightforward. Lennon overstepped the mark with his treatment of Flo and had a go at his boss Leeann. Now these 2 things aren't enough to sack him but it makes his ability to come back to work even more difficult. He's lost trust in a few players and cannot worked again with his boss, unlike other companies Lennon can't be moved to another department or office, so we pay him his due and wish him well.


yeah - good summary - also in Employment Law it's not all about right and wrongs, it's often more about following due process. You need to have been very disciplined with clear expectations, performance reviews, improvement plans, disciplinary procedure etc to exit someone from an org without a compromise agreement..Highly unlikely Hibs were in a clean position on this, in such a dynamic environment.

[Keith_M]

Departure to be confirmed today according to tabloids.

I now wish they'd just get on with it and announce the triumphant return of Terry Butcher.

[BSEJVT]

Thanks for expanding BJEJVT (what's that name about ? :) And now I see you're points - it does give more layers of the situation and I understand where you are coming from. Again, some really interesting thoughts..

I quite liked the big personality of Lennon - it often comes with big characters - He is a man with flaws and demons like us all..yet is perhaps bolder than most to face into them and be open. Think he is helpful for those who sometimes are battling some of these issues.

It certainly is all about the Hibs though - :aok::not worth

Thanks for reply

It is an old work logon id, a nom de plume like big wheel is for you.

Neil Lennon has an almost unique place in Scottish Football and IMO its a disgrace what he has suffered over the years. my interest in him as a person dates back only to his appointment as Hibs Manager so I don't know if he has always had his issues or whether they have been brought on by what he has suffered. Whatever is this case these issues wont have been helped by the nonsense he has had to put up with.

He has huge courage to deal with the crap he does on an ongoing basis but has had that snarling petulant aggressive streak about him even as a player. No doubt it made him the player that he was.

There is though always a yin to the yang and in his case that persona has undoubtedly helped make him the target he has become and again I think his way of dealing with that as you suggest is to front it up and put his head above the parapet.

I have increasingly felt that he has almost become a caricature of that and that has become his preferred route of dealing with situations and that he cant see beyond it and that is has damaged us and is damaging him also.

His continual public belittling of the players was as stupid as it was counter productive.

I hope that once this is resolved he has the chance to reset and take a step back and consider matters and his approach to things and arrives at the other side a happier and more contented man.

There is a very effective manager in there and IMO he needs to get out his own way a bit to let that re-emerge.

I am not sure either that Parker who seems very similar is the perfect foil for him either.

[SHODAN]

I now wish they'd just get on with it and announce the triumphant return of Terry Butcher.

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[hibbyfraelibby]

“Its understood...remainder of contract paid up in full”

Hardly screams a great deal for us

Wonder how accurate that is

I assumed the mutual consent was in exchange for a reduced payment


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His contract will have included bonus payment for league position, points total, cup run, qualification for Europe.

I suspect therefore it will be his "basic" paid in full and that will be nowhere near the £250k discussed elsewhere.

He will continue, as is now customary, to be paid monthly. If he gets another job before the contract term runs out payment stops.

Look to the 2020 accounts for confirmation.

[blackpoolhibs]

His contract will have included bonus payment for league position, points total, cup run, qualification for Europe.

I suspect therefore it will be his "basic" paid in full and that will be nowhere near the £250k discussed elsewhere.

He will continue, as is now customary, to be paid monthly. If he gets another job before the contract term runs out payment stops.

Look to the 2020 accounts for confirmation.

:agree: Just a newspaper talking bollox as usual.

[oldbutdim]

His contract will have included bonus payment for league position, points total, cup run, qualification for Europe.

I suspect therefore it will be his "basic" paid in full and that will be nowhere near the £250k discussed elsewhere.

He will continue, as is now customary, to be paid monthly. If he gets another job before the contract term runs out payment stops.

Look to the 2020 accounts for confirmation.


It also saves shelling out huge sums of cash to the lawyers who would be delighted to 'advise' and 'act' on a lengthy but lucrative (to them) legal battle.
These matters are all taken into account when negotiating a payoff - both parties are well aware of it.

[GloryGlory]

His contract will have included bonus payment for league position, points total, cup run, qualification for Europe.

I suspect therefore it will be his "basic" paid in full and that will be nowhere near the £250k discussed elsewhere.

He will continue, as is now customary, to be paid monthly. If he gets another job before the contract term runs out payment stops.

Look to the 2020 accounts for confirmation.

That's what I would think.

He will remain on the payroll until either he gets another job or his contract expires, whichever comes first.

[BILLYHIBS]

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Brilliant!

Should be on the Hibernian images through the years thread.........NOT!!

[hibeerealist]

O
https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/17394225.neil-lennon-and-Hibernian-set-to-part-company-by-mutual-consent-this-week-following -talks/

Dont shoot the messenger

Just putting out there what was on SSN last night and corroborated in today’s press. :greengrin


IF we pay NL’s contract up in full then that has to impact on available funds for players as effectively paying two managers for next 18 months, what a mess!

[pacoluna]

Mutual consent? That's puts to bed a lot of slanderous rumours then including the supposed derogatory remark he made to LD. Only us with green tinted specs can say we as a club have came out this whole debacle in a competent manner.

[madhatter]

Mutual consent? That's puts to bed a lot of slanderous rumours then including the supposed derogatory remark he made to LD. Only us with green tinted specs can say we as a club have came out this whole debacle in a competent manner.

Why? Because we haven't chosen to fight Lennon legally until the end of time or proceed into a smear campaign? Yeah, I guess because we've went for a settlement that suits both parties we stink as a club...

[Fergos]

Mutual consent? That's puts to bed a lot of slanderous rumours then including the supposed derogatory remark he made to LD. Only us with green tinted specs can say we as a club have came out this whole debacle in a competent manner.

What incompetence can be levelled at the Club?

[Waxy]

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tbgawa

[GloryGlory]

O


IF we pay NL’s contract up in full then that has to impact on available funds for players as effectively paying two managers for next 18 months, what a mess!

I would imagine Neil will get other employment opportunities in the next 18 months.

Could see him going to the Championship in England.

[steakbake]

Agree with much of the foregoing.

What I disagree with is that we somehow have bang average players.

We have got some good, proven players in the squad who at times have impressed when things were going our way.

We were climbing up the walls to get Kamberi back in, for example. Slivka is a player with some pedigree. Gauld is a real talent. Marciano is as solid as you can hope. Porteous, Gray, Stevenson... steady, competent players with Porteous in particular looking like a gem. Oli Shaw - has scored some telling goals and from St Mirren, looks like he's a good foil for Kamberi up front.

Some of the lustre has come off a number of the players and the performances have not been as hoped, but I think a manager whose head is totally in the game will get the best out of them.

I entirely disagree it is as big a rebuild job as after Calderwood, Butcher, Fenlon etc, if a rebuild job at all.

[pacoluna]

What incompetence can be levelled at the Club?


Supporters make Hibernian rite? Have you seen some of the outrageous slanderous rumours that have been wildly spread on this forum.

As for the board, not a whisper only media gossip, I'm sorry but that doesn't sit well with me.

[B.H.F.C]

Mutual consent? That's puts to bed a lot of slanderous rumours then including the supposed derogatory remark he made to LD. Only us with green tinted specs can say we as a club have came out this whole debacle in a competent manner.

No it doesn’t. It doesn’t tell us anything other than the fact they’ve both agreed to whatever they’ve agreed to so that it doesn’t go any further.

I’m not saying Lennon has done right or wrong, or that the club have done right or wrong, because I don’t have a clue what has happened.

But the fact it is mutual doesn’t really say anything IMO.

[steakbake]

No it doesn’t. It doesn’t tell us anything other than the fact they’ve both agreed to whatever they’ve agreed to so that it doesn’t go any further.

I’m not saying Lennon has done right or wrong, or that the club have done right or wrong, because I don’t have a clue what has happened.

But the fact it is mutual doesn’t really say anything IMO.

That's what it's supposed to say, to be honest - nothing.

It means they've reached an agreement they can both live with.

Move on.

Who is next?

[jacomo]

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Thanks.

Another fretful, sleepless night to look forward to...

[Fergos]

Supporters make Hibernian rite? Have you seen some of the outrageous slanderous rumours that have been wildly spread on this forum.

As for the board, not a whisper only media gossip, I'm sorry but that doesn't sit well with me.

The club cant be held responsible for rumours on a website.

Also the club are legally bound at the moment and id imagine that is why there has been no statement, acting professionally in essence.

GGTTH

[BILLYHIBS]

O


IF we pay NL’s contract up in full then that has to impact on available funds for players as effectively paying two managers for next 18 months, what a mess!

I had heard he had agreed a reduced payment with a confidentiality clause but just hearsay we will just have to wait on the official announcement

[SHODAN]

tbgawa

#tbgawa

[jacomo]

The club cant be held responsible for rumours on a website.

Also the club are legally bound at the moment and id imagine that is why there has been no statement, acting professionally in essence.

GGTTH


The club could have done a lot more to tell supporters what is going on, without breaking any legal restrictions.

[GloryGlory]

The club could have done a lot more to tell supporters what is going on, without breaking any legal restrictions.

Such as?

[GloryGlory]

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I'm BACKKKKKKK!:greengrin :greengrin

[Last Minute]

Such as?

tell supporters what is going on, without breaking any legal restrictions

[weecounty hibby]

Supporters make Hibernian rite? Have you seen some of the outrageous slanderous rumours that have been wildly spread on this forum.

As for the board, not a whisper only media gossip, I'm sorry but that doesn't sit well with me.
It really doesn't matter if it sits well with you or not. The club were following employment law and we're dealing with a confidential and personal matter that you had absolutely no right to know anything about

[SquashedFrogg]

The club could have done a lot more to tell supporters what is going on, without breaking any legal restrictions.

Seriously?

We know what's going on. Our manager is leaving. When he has officially left we will get a statement.

Seems sensible enough to me.

[blackpoolhibs]

tell supporters what is going on, without breaking any legal restrictions

Then the conjecture would continue as to what they didnt reveal. I know everything i need to know, he's suspended, they will reach some sort of deal and we will have a new manager soon.

I'm not sure there is anything else i need to know, and unless the club come out and tell us everything that happened, anything said will just be picked apart and ridiculed one way or the other depending on who you support in this.

[GloryGlory]

tell supporters what is going on, without breaking any legal restrictions

Such as what? Any and every discussion, phone call, e-mail, meeting, communication of any kind with Lennon and/or his representatives is confidential between the two parties.

What is going on is that an employer and an employee are discussing the terms of a Compromise Agreement. All of that is confidential. In no business or walk of life would those sort of discussions be conducted in the public domain.

[weecounty hibby]

tell supporters what is going on, without breaking any legal restrictions

We did know as much as we were entitled to though. That Neil wouldn't be in charge of he team and that May and Murray would. I don't get why it's so difficult for folk to understand. Football has to follow employment law like any other industry. When people are suspended from work where I work there is no statement made to the wider workforce or anyone else to tell them. Likewise when a decision is made for dismissal that is also not announced to the world

[hibsbollah]

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Thats the worst thing ive seen. Ever.

[Last Minute]

We did know as much as we were entitled to though. That Neil wouldn't be in charge of he team and that May and Murray would. I don't get why it's so difficult for folk to understand. Football has to follow employment law like any other industry. When people are suspended from work where I work there is no statement made to the wider workforce or anyone else to tell them. Likewise when a decision is made for dismissal that is also not announced to the world

It should to the shareholders

[weecounty hibby]

It should to the shareholders

Nonsense. I work in a company with approx 4000 employees in Scotland and another 15000 worldwide. Do you think that when one of them is suspended then we tell all of the shareholders? Even if it was an executive there would be no more released than what Hibs have done regarding Neil

[SquashedFrogg]

It should to the shareholders

Shareholders aren't entitled to any statement.

[GloryGlory]

It should to the shareholders

Why? The shareholders get their say at AGMs. They appoint directors to look after their interests. The directors appoint executives to carry out the agreed strategy and delegate authority for them to do so, including hiring and firing. The managers report back to the directors on the exercise of their authority. The directors report to the shareholders at the AGM of their running of the business.

The shareholders don't get consulted on every single transaction.

[weecounty hibby]

Why? The shareholders get their say at AGMs. They appoint directors to look after their interests. The directors appoint executives to carry out the agreed strategy and delegate authority for them to do so, including hiring and firing. The managers report back to the directors on the exercise of their authority. The directors report to the shareholders at the AGM of their running of the business.

The shareholders don't get consulted on every single transaction.
I am amazed at the total lack of understanding of how the real world works nowadays. Football is an industry that has to follow the same laws and regulations as any other. We may not all like that but that is how it is.

[J-C]

Mutual consent? That's puts to bed a lot of slanderous rumours then including the supposed derogatory remark he made to LD. Only us with green tinted specs can say we as a club have came out this whole debacle in a competent manner.

Mutual consent means we don't have to go through with all the legalities of sacking him without it actually being a sackable offense.
Something serious went on at EM on Friday, enough for LD to suspend Lennon, now whatever happened on Friday may not be enough to sack him outright but it makes his job untenable.

It's plainly obvious LD cannot and will not work again with Lennon due to whatever happened, so he has to leave and he has to be paid what he's due as it's not a sacking just that he cannot return to his place of work.

[Last Minute]

I am amazed at the total lack of understanding of how the real world works nowadays. Football is an industry that has to follow the same laws and regulations as any other. We may not all like that but that is how it is.

snippet from the Times today.

Clubs can and do provide off-the-record briefings to inform the media, and by extension their supporters, on cases far more sensitive and difficult than this one.

In three months’ time Hibs will be all over their fans again, imploring them to snap up season tickets in something like the huge numbers they were bought for the present campaign. But last Friday night and in the four full days since there has been no effort to offer context or illumination on why a highly popular manager was no longer on the premises. That “Hibernian FC can confirm” statement ran
to just 68 words and made no mention or Lennon nor the assistant who has gone with him, Garry Parker.

To hold up employment law as an impediment to providing any news whatsoever amounts to hiding. Hibs could put a little flesh on the bones — bones so far provided entirely by the mainstream media and fans on social media — without compromising either their own or Lennon’s position in this dispute. Remember, they have still to say a single thing about the manager. They have not even used his name once, let alone said he is suspended.

[Smartie]

Thats the worst thing ive seen. Ever.

It only needs the headline "UNFINISHED BUSINESS: BUTCHER BACK TO FINISH THE JOB AT EASTER ROAD" to be more terrifying.

[SquashedFrogg]

snippet from the Times today.

Clubs can and do provide off-the-record briefings to inform the media, and by extension their supporters, on cases far more sensitive and difficult than this one.

In three months’ time Hibs will be all over their fans again, imploring them to snap up season tickets in something like the huge numbers they were bought for the present campaign. But last Friday night and in the four full days since there has been no effort to offer context or illumination on why a highly popular manager was no longer on the premises. That “Hibernian FC can confirm” statement ran
to just 68 words and made no mention or Lennon nor the assistant who has gone with him, Garry Parker.

To hold up employment law as an impediment to providing any news whatsoever amounts to hiding. Hibs could put a little flesh on the bones — bones so far provided entirely by the mainstream media and fans on social media — without compromising either their own or Lennon’s position in this dispute. Remember, they have still to say a single thing about the manager. They have not even used his name once, let alone said he is suspended.

Man, you're really struggling to cope with receiving no club statement?

Sometimes we just have to wait. Relax. It'll all be fine.

[madhatter]

snippet from the Times today.

Clubs can and do provide off-the-record briefings to inform the media, and by extension their supporters, on cases far more sensitive and difficult than this one.

In three months’ time Hibs will be all over their fans again, imploring them to snap up season tickets in something like the huge numbers they were bought for the present campaign. But last Friday night and in the four full days since there has been no effort to offer context or illumination on why a highly popular manager was no longer on the premises. That “Hibernian FC can confirm” statement ran
to just 68 words and made no mention or Lennon nor the assistant who has gone with him, Garry Parker.

To hold up employment law as an impediment to providing any news whatsoever amounts to hiding. Hibs could put a little flesh on the bones — bones so far provided entirely by the mainstream media and fans on social media — without compromising either their own or Lennon’s position in this dispute. Remember, they have still to say a single thing about the manager. They have not even used his name once, let alone said he is suspended.

Do people not think Hibs might be protecting Lennons reputation in this? We don't know what led us here and keeping it mysterious is beneficial for all parties. Even a confirmation of the suspension could cause problems, Lennon may have asked Leeann to keep it all quiet. We know nothing and, until there is something worthwhile to say, I'm content with that.

[Tornadoes70]

What would put managers and players off from joining clubs is if they put private club business into the public domain. The club have a legal duty of care to itself and its present and past employees to maintain confidentiality. They can only publish factual non detailed statements.

This has has been said by umpteen folk on here now yet still some persist in wanting the club to engage in amateurish babbling that could result in calumny accusations ending in extremely costly litigation.

We all want the board to act in a professional manner that protects the club don't we?

Mon the Cabbage!!!

[pacoluna]

Mutual consent means we don't have to go through with all the legalities of sacking him without it actually being a sackable offense.
Something serious went on at EM on Friday, enough for LD to suspend Lennon, now whatever happened on Friday may not be enough to sack him outright but it makes his job untenable.

It's plainly obvious LD cannot and will not work again with Lennon due to whatever happened, so he has to leave and he has to be paid what he's due as it's not a sacking just that he cannot return to his place of work.

Once again more whataboutism to project the club in good light but discredit others.

It's a common theme on this forum with regards to Lennon.

[GloryGlory]

Do people not think Hibs might be protecting Lennons reputation in this? We don't know what led us here and keeping it mysterious is beneficial for all parties. Even a confirmation of the suspension could cause problems, Lennon may have asked Leeann to keep it all quiet. We know nothing and, until there is something worthwhile to say, I'm content with that.

It could be the parties have agreed a framework to get this sorted which includes "no public statements" by either side until an agreement is reached.

And once an agreement is reached, there will be an agreed statement but not until then.

[madhatter]

Once again more whataboutism to project the club in good light but discredit others.

It's a common theme on this forum with regards to Lennon.

Are you not doing the exact same the other way around?
Do you have information that proves Lennon is a saint and the club's custodians are incompetent?

[One Day Soon]

I'm wondering if an Admin Prick might like to tweak this thread title to 'Lennon going, going, gone??' in the light of the seemingly interminable time we have been enduring this?

[BoomtownHibees]

This was on Monaco’s website last week:

“Official press release from the club.
AS Monaco announces that it has decided to suspend first-team coach Thierry Henry.

Franck Passi will train the professional group this Friday.”

Something like the above is all that was needed from Hibs at the weekend. To make a “statement” about May and Murray taking the team on Sunday without even acknowledging the current management team was poor imo.

Would the above tell us anymore than we already know? Prob not but at least it would be actual confirmation from the club rather than reading it elsewhere

[pacoluna]

Are you not doing the exact same the other way around?
Do you have information that proves Lennon is a saint and the club's custodians are incompetent?

No I'm not. I've not made any slanderous remarks regarding our club nor have I started any wildly inaccurate rumours.

I voiced my opinion that the communication from the board to the supporters regarding the matter has not been successfull and therefore not particularly competent.

[The Modfather]

Once again more whataboutism to project the club in good light but discredit others.

It's a common theme on this forum with regards to Lennon.

The irony being yourself and a few others seem to go the other way and appear determined to deify Lennon at all costs. The majority of us meanwhile sit somewhere in the middle, Lennon did a good job but confident Dempster must have good reason to suspend/move Lennon out of the club.

[ElginHibbie]

No I'm not. I've not made any slanderous remarks regarding our club nor have I started any wildly inaccurate rumours.


Only us with green tinted specs can say we as a club have came out this whole debacle in a competent manner.

I'd say that is pretty inaccurate

[bigwheel]

I have no doubt RP/LD & co are trying to act in the best interest of our Club. And they should follow through on their chosen plan. Surely, most would acknowledge that it does not come over as an example of outstanding club/fans communication & engagement either. There isn't a formal obligation for them to communicate, but in terms of connecting with the fans - that said, it's not the best example we've seen.

It's in line with previous tbh...Hibs comms are OK..sometimes good, sometimes meh.

[pacoluna]

The irony being yourself and a few others seem to go the other way and appear determined to deify Lennon at all costs. The majority of us meanwhile sit somewhere in the middle, Lennon did a good job but confident Dempster must have good reason to suspend/move Lennon out of the club.

This keeps on being regurgitated when it's not true.

I called people out to give me examples of me "bashing stubbs" guess what? No reply.

Now I'll ask for people to quote me slandering or starting wild rumours about Hibs... I'll wait for a reply.

[Tornadoes70]

Its laughable really.

Those who're desperate for the gossip of what went on behind the scenes would rather the club left itself wide open to litigation. They've obviously never held positions of responsibility that involve legal repercussions if matters of confidentiality are disclosed.

Mon the Cabbage!!!

[GloryGlory]

Its laughable really.

Those who're desperate for the gossip of what went on behind the scenes would rather the club left itself wide open to litigation. They've obviously never held positions of responsibility that involve legal repercussions if matters of confidentiality are disclosed.

Mon the Cabbage!!!

Never mind the basic HR tenet that personnel issues are confidential between the individual employee and relevant management. You can't just go discussing an employee's personnel issues with all and sundry.

[SHODAN]

I'm wondering if an Admin Prick might like to tweak this thread title to 'Lennon going, going, gone??' in the light of the seemingly interminable time we have been enduring this?

Or just replace the question marks with a full stop when he is actually gone.

[One Day Soon]

Or just replace the question marks with a full stop if he ever is actually gone.

Fixed that for you.

[pacoluna]

Its laughable really.

Those who're desperate for the gossip of what went on behind the scenes would rather the club left itself wide open to litigation. They've obviously never held positions of responsibility that involve legal repercussions if matters of confidentiality are disclosed.

Mon the Cabbage!!!

Wild assumptions flying about now.

[The Modfather]

Wild assumptions flying about now.

You keep saying that but I can’t reconcile it to any of the posts you quote.

[bigwheel]

Its laughable really.

Those who're desperate for the gossip of what went on behind the scenes would rather the club left itself wide open to litigation. They've obviously never held positions of responsibility that involve legal repercussions if matters of confidentiality are disclosed.

Mon the Cabbage!!!


A company can communicate without sharing gossip or opening itself to litigation. Statement of facts would be fine. A quick example:

"We have currently asked Neil Lennon and Gary Parker to step down from duties. In the meantime time Eddie May and Grant Murray will take training and look after the first team. During this time, we ask you all to give Eddie, Grant and the team your full support. It's a sensitive situation, therefore you will appreciate we won't be commenting further until these matters are resolved."

[pacoluna]

You keep saying that but I can’t reconcile it to any of the posts you quote.

They've obviously never held positions of responsibility that involve legal repercussions if matters of confidentiality are disclosed.


Assumption.

[Sir David Gray]

A company can communicate without sharing gossip or opening itself to litigation. Statement of facts would be fine. A quick example:

"We have currently asked Neil Lennon and Gary Parker to step down from duties. In the meantime time Eddie May and Grant Murray will take training and look after the first team. During this time, we ask you all to give Eddie, Grant and the team your full support. It's a sensitive situation, therefore you will appreciate we won't be commenting further until these matters are resolved."

I don't see why something along those lines cannot be communicated.

[cabbageandribs1875]

No I'm not. I've not made any slanderous remarks regarding our club nor have I started any wildly inaccurate rumours.

I voiced my opinion that the communication from the board to the supporters regarding the matter has not been successfull and therefore not particularly competent.


well said :aok:

[SquashedFrogg]

A company can communicate without sharing gossip or opening itself to litigation. Statement of facts would be fine. A quick example:

"We have currently asked Neil Lennon and Gary Parker to step down from duties. In the meantime time Eddie May and Grant Murray will take training and look after the first team. During this time, we ask you all to give Eddie, Grant and the team your full support. It's a sensitive situation, therefore you will appreciate we won't be commenting further until these matters are resolved."

So basically tell us something we already know? I still can't fathon the desperate need for a statement.

[madhatter]

Wild assumptions flying about now.

Assumptions and implications are sort of similar. People have implied the board have been poor with dealing with this situation. They've clearly made assumptions of some sort in order to imply what they have. Even if they havent thrown their assumptions around. They've implied what they've inferred.

[bigwheel]

So basically tell us something we already know? I still can't fathon the desperate need for a statement.


personally, I'm not desperate for a statement - as you say it is implied that is the current situation (although we actually don't know)...but it would be normal good engagement practice to do something like that...in the modern world of social media, it could dampen speculation a little, and get some people to focus on support the intern management and team.

[One Day Soon]

Here's a speculative thought.

Lennon and Dempsey have a bust up which has been coming for weeks, maybe months. That bust up included something that merited an investigation - maybe something quite bad, maybe not. Either way the real reason it happened was a deteriorating relationship between the two which finally found the flash point it needed to be vented.

Dempster got what she wanted because it enabled her to get Lennon out the door without trying to sack him. Lennon got what he wanted because it enabled him to get out the door without being sacked. She's relieved because she feels he's had unreasonable expectations and demands, he's relieved because he feels she's been unreasonable about his expectations and demands.

Five days later the lawyers are the ones dealing with it all and mentally both of them have already moved well on past it all to what's next for both parties.

It is entirely possible that this could end up being a reasonably amicable parting of the ways in the medium to long term - perhaps even in the short term.

In the above completely theoretical circumstances it is to our advantage as a club to have Neil onside. He's very well connected in the game and knows a shed-load of managers and players, so it's quite possible people might pick his brains before considering joining us. Equally who is to say if he becomes aware of a player or prospect that he wouldn't recommend them to us if he thought they and we were a good fit?

I say all this simply to suggest that there are perhaps other good reasons why the club isn't issuing statements, may want to keep the events as quiet as possible and may settle financially in a way that works for both parties.

[madhatter]

So basically tell us something we already know? I still can't fathon the desperate need for a statement.

We mock Rangers for being top of the Statement League and yet we are always wanting one ourselves...

[GloryGlory]

Assumptions and implications are sort of similar. People have implied the board have been poor with dealing with this situation. They've clearly made assumptions of some sort in order to imply what they have. Even if they havent thrown their assumptions around. They've implied what they've inferred.

As if any statement will stop wild assumptions flying about.

[The Modfather]

They've obviously never held positions of responsibility that involve legal repercussions if matters of confidentiality are disclosed.


Assumption.

Seems like nitpicking to me and “wild assumptions” is a bit dramatic but as I don’t really care either way I’ll leave it there.

[Fergos]

The club could have done a lot more to tell supporters what is going on, without breaking any legal restrictions.

You must be more legally clued up them me, can you give an example of comms that the club could have undertook that would be legally sound?

[PatHead]

We mock Rangers for being top of the Statement League and yet we are always wanting one ourselves...
What we need is a statement about why we are not making statements.

[bigwheel]

What we need is a statement about why we are not making statements.


..."We understand there is a major demand from our support for a statement about the current situation. This statement is to confirm that at this time we confirm we won't be making any statements. Once this is resolved we will communicate further. It may or may not be a statement". :wink::greengrin

[Callum_62]

So basically tell us something we already know? I still can't fathon the desperate need for a statement.

We dont know it, not officially atleast


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[madhatter]

You must be more legally clued up them me, can you give an example of comms that the club could have undertook that would be legally sound?

...and bring clarity to the situation. No idea what a statement does until this is all resolved. Assumptions, accusations and rumours will continue until the end is reached. Statement should be made after papers are signed and everything is concluded. I hope this is soon so we can move on from this.

[Tobias Funke]

Here's a speculative thought.

Lennon and Dempsey have a bust up

Lets hope they Makepeace and move on from this.

[Fergos]

...and bring clarity to the situation. No idea what a statement does until this is all resolved. Assumptions, accusations and rumours will continue until the end is reached. Statement should be made after papers are signed and everything is concluded. I hope this is soon so we can move on from this.

The earliest the club could legally comment is when the settlement is agreed.

I would wage my last £ on it being generic and therefor legally sound, anything else could see the club end up in court.

GGTTH.

[SquashedFrogg]

We dont know it, not officially atleast


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But we do know. Our manager and his legal reps are in negotiations with the club to agree a settlement which will see him no longer manage Hibs.

Why would you need an official statement to tell you this?

[Iain G]

Lets hope they Makepeace and move on from this.

I hope Glynis Barber is signing ;-)

[Callum_62]

But we do know. Our manager and his legal reps are in negotiations with the club to agree a settlement which will see him no longer manage Hibs.

Why would you need an official statement to tell you this?

we know through media gossip

Why have any official statement then - the Sun will tell us everything we need to know

[MixuMac]

My guess is the statement when it eventually comes will be along the lines of - Hibernian Football Club, NL & GP have come to a mutual agreement to part ways with immediate effect.

[Jim44]

As suggested, any statement by Hibs will probably be innocuous, citing irreparable differences or something along those lines. This will leave Lennon an unsullied route to his next appointment. I have an uneasy feeling, however, that Hibs will come out of this, unjustifiably, with a bit of a dent in reputation.

[SquashedFrogg]

we know through media gossip

Why have any official statement then - the Sun will tell us everything we need to know

I don't read the Sun but will take your word for it.

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Not one for taking twitter as trustworthy news, however, it certainly sounds plausible. This has always been a matter concerning proper processes.

The board have taken the correct steps maintaining releasing statements only when absolutely necessary. Its a matter of listening to the legal advice.

Sounds very much as if an agreed statement will be released in due course.

Mon the Cabbage!!!

[Radium]

Not one for taking twitter as trustworthy news, however, it certainly sounds plausible. This has always been a matter concerning proper processes.

The board have taken the correct steps maintaining releasing statements only when absolutely necessary. Its a matter of listening to the legal advice.

Sounds very much as if an agreed statement will be released in due course.

Mon the Cabbage!!!

Agreed, source is a reasonable and suggested things will be coming to an end soon

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[04Sauzee]

Gordon Strachan has his say on the Hibs job

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/gordon-strachan-responds-to-speculation-linking-him-with-hibs-job-1-4864950/amp?__twitter_impression=true

[hibbyfraelibby]

I hope Glynis Barber is signing ;-)
Nah...legs are gone😏

[Northernhibee]

Gordon Strachan has his say on the Hibs job

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/gordon-strachan-responds-to-speculation-linking-him-with-hibs-job-1-4864950/amp?__twitter_impression=true

That sounds promising. Would be happy with that, particularly if his knowledge helps us bring in talented youngsters and get ahead of the curve on youth coaching ideas.

[GloryGlory]

That sounds promising. Would be happy with that, particularly if his knowledge helps us bring in talented youngsters and get ahead of the curve on youth coaching ideas.

Sounds like his ideas on developing young players fit the ethos at Hibs. But that is far away from also taking on all the duties of first team coach.

[sean04]

Just want this lennon business concluded so we can move on. New manager in place and get us back playing. Buzzing for Saturday

[Northernhibee]

Sounds like his ideas on developing young players fit the ethos at Hibs. But that is far away from also taking on all the duties of first team coach.

Bring in a decent assistant and that won’t be an issue imo, someone who can step into the hot seat and take some of the load off the manager.

I’d be really excited to get Gordon Strachan, thought he managed to do well with a really average Scotland team too.

[ScottB]

Gordon Strachan has his say on the Hibs job

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/gordon-strachan-responds-to-speculation-linking-him-with-hibs-job-1-4864950/amp?__twitter_impression=true

Sounds like he might want a job that’s more ‘upstairs’ so he could have time with the academy, but we’ve already got Craig and May.

Strachan as DoF with a young head couch?

[HoboHarry]

Sounds like he might want a job that’s more ‘upstairs’ so he could have time with the academy, but we’ve already got Craig and May.

Strachan as DoF with a young head couch?
Best idea sofa......

[Peevemor]

Sounds like he might want a job that’s more ‘upstairs’ so he could have time with the academy, but we’ve already got Craig and May.

Strachan as DoF with a young head couch?

Maybe he'd be happy to do the job until the end of the season. He also manages to slip in that he just happens to be in Edinburgh tomorrow. :hmmm:

[Jim44]

I’d be satisfied to see Strachan take over but, unfortunately, IMO, his conditions expressed here, don’t fit the bill. We need someone with 100% focus on the job. I think he’s knocking back speculation with a bag of feathers as opposed to a sledgehammer.

[Cameron1875]

As someone that followed Scotland away in the qualifiers for the last 2 campaigns, it actually scares me that he is linked to the job.

His idea of a good assistant is Mark Mcghee!

Some real low points with him at the helm and the good moments I find it hard to give him complete credit for as he stumbled on systems that worked for a bit before completely ballsing up i.e. Barry Bannan for 2 games whilst Mcgregor and Mcginn sat on their backsides.

Hopefully folk are having temporary amnesia regarding him as his best managerial days are long gone.

[w pilton hibby]

Gordon Strachan has his say on the Hibs job

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/gordon-strachan-responds-to-speculation-linking-him-with-hibs-job-1-4864950/amp?__twitter_impression=true


Gordon Strachan has his say on bullying in the workplace. He's all for it

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/gordon-strachan-neil-lennon-hibs-13928489

[Dr_Regal]

Gordon Strachan has his say on the Hibs job

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/gordon-strachan-responds-to-speculation-linking-him-with-hibs-job-1-4864950/amp?__twitter_impression=true

My interpretation of that, is that he would jump at the chance to manage Hibs.

[Radium]

Gordon Strachan has his say on bullying in the workplace. He's all for it

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/gordon-strachan-neil-lennon-hibs-13928489

"I think it’s only a problem if the players themselves aren’t playing well, or if the team is losing.
People who are successful talk about managers who drive them to the top, getting the most out of them.
 The ones that fail are the ones who say they got bullied.
"There’s a correlation between allegations of bullying and failure.
 I rarely see people who are successful and winning things come out and say they’re being bullied.
The other phrase that keeps coming up is “being disrespected”.

At least he didn't say they should just man up :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Jim44]

Gordon Strachan has his say on bullying in the workplace. He's all for it

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/gordon-strachan-neil-lennon-hibs-13928489

Adding fuel to the viewpoint that Rodgers and other Celtic-minded ex-players ( and probably others) have taken that Lennon was ‘just doing his best in the interest of the team’ and not bullying.

[Callum_62]

Adding fuel to the viewpoint that Rodgers and other Celtic-minded ex-players ( and probably others) have taken that Lennon was ‘just doing his best in the interest of the team’ and not bullying.

Maybe he was

And the blow up was with Leanne on a separate issue


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[highland hibbee]

As someone that followed Scotland away in the qualifiers for the last 2 campaigns, it actually scares me that he is linked to the job.

His idea of a good assistant is Mark Mcghee!

Some real low points with him at the helm and the good moments I find it hard to give him complete credit for as he stumbled on systems that worked for a bit before completely ballsing up i.e. Barry Bannan for 2 games whilst Mcgregor and Mcginn sat on their backsides.

Hopefully folk are having temporary amnesia regarding him as his best managerial days are long gone.


Interesting that hes got such an interest in youth football and young players.
I’m maybe wrong, but I don’t recall him putting many younger players into his Scotland teams.
and McGhee is surely a big no-no.
Ross County dealt with bullying in the workplace, a certain Jimmy Bone didn’t last long when he was overheard berating some of the younger players. His feet didn’t touch the ground on his way out. ( Allegedly) And that must be 20 years ago......

[Lago]

My interpretation of that, is that he would jump at the chance to manage Hibs.
Please no

[SlickShoes]

Amazing, shows the progress of the game in Scotland when Strachan claims to be interested in producing a world class footballer also thinks that the only people who complain about bullying are failures.

[BoomtownHibees]

The management team of Neil Lennon and Garry Parker has left the club by mutual consent.

They have not been dismissed and have not resigned.

The suspension, put in place to allow an internal review, was lifted by the club as part of this agreement. Despite widespread speculation, the club confirms that neither Neil nor Garry has been guilty of any misconduct or wrongdoing and no disciplinary process has been commenced.

However, Neil, Garry and the club now consider that it would be in the best interests of all parties to part amicably.

The club would like to place on notice its thanks to both Neil and Garry for their hard work and the success they have brought the club. Their period in charge has seen the club:

- restored to the top flight,

- reach the top 4 with a record points total,

- qualify for Europe,

- have their record season ticket sales since 1958

Neil and Garry would like to thank the club for having faith in them when they were appointed in 2016 and for their support over two and a half years. They would like to thank their players for their hard work and dedication and finally, the fans for their loyalty and support over their tenure.

Rod Petrie, Chairman said: “We are grateful to Neil and Garry for all their efforts and in particular for leading the club back to the top flight of Scottish football. We wish nothing but the best for Neil and Garry and their families for the future.”

Neil Lennon said: “I would like to thank the board, the coaching staff, the players and all the fans for making the last two and a half years so enjoyable. It has been my privilege to serve the club and I wish it every success in the future.”

[HoboHarry]

Here's the link for those craving a statement.....

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/9671

[Liberal Hibby]

My guess is the statement when it eventually comes will be along the lines of - Hibernian Football Club, NL & GP have come to a mutual agreement to part ways with immediate effect.

And we have a winner!

You're not an employment lawyer by chance? :wink:

[Crazyhorse]

Sounds like he might want a job that’s more ‘upstairs’ so he could have time with the academy, but we’ve already got Craig and May.

Strachan as DoF with a young head couch?

Cathro is available....

[IngolstadtHarry]

Here's the link for those craving a statement.....

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/9671

It was fairly clear from the start that the eventual statement would simply be a series of platitudes.

On the subject of Strachan, that has to be a no-no unless we want to be dealing with the next crisis a couple of months down the line.
In his Daily Record interview it hardly sounds like he's the sort of guy who would be prepared to put up with weeping and locker-clearing from the playing staff, or from the interference by people in suits at his training sessions.
He's another Lennon who'd be reading the riot act to slackers and the club has obviously decided that this isn't what's required in what we now term a 'head coach'.

[0762]

Gordon Strachan has his say on bullying in the workplace. He's all for it

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/gordon-strachan-neil-lennon-hibs-13928489

Not a huge fan of Strachan but this is a very good piece.

Raised voices in the dressing room are nothing new at any level. But when it's adult v adult the hair dryer is going to blowing at full blast. That will always happen in team sport.
Can't but think that there is more to this situation than what trickling out on social media and the press.

[madhatter]

I would be amazed if Hibs put out a statement along the lines of the one highlighted in bold.

Statement wasn't far off what I had said - exonerating Lennon. Statement makes sense for all parties but I fear the club will take most of the brunt from this. Real shame.

[HibeeHibernian4]

It was fairly clear from the start that the eventual statement would simply be a series of platitudes.

On the subject of Strachan, that has to be a no-no unless we want to be dealing with the next crisis a couple of months down the line.
In his Daily Record interview it hardly sounds like he's the sort of guy who would be prepared to put up with weeping and locker-clearing from the playing staff, or from the interference by people in suits at his training sessions.
He's another Lennon who'd be reading the riot act to slackers and the club has obviously decided that this isn't what's required in what we now term a 'head coach'.

Yeah except Strachan has shown throughout his managerial career that he's actually capable of setting up a team correctly and has a rudimentary understanding of tactics. Something which, for the last 6 months of his time at Hibs, you couldn't say of Lennon.

[BOB MARLEYS DUG]

I’m a lot more gutted than I thought I’d be. Especially after seeing the video of Macca scoring to make it 5-5 and Lenny doing the Airplane 😪

[Here’s Lucy!]

I’m a lot more gutted than I thought I’d be. Especially after seeing the video of Macca scoring to make it 5-5 and Lenny doing the Airplane 😪

Aye, that was some day! :not worth

[jacomo]

It was fairly clear from the start that the eventual statement would simply be a series of platitudes.

On the subject of Strachan, that has to be a no-no unless we want to be dealing with the next crisis a couple of months down the line.
In his Daily Record interview it hardly sounds like he's the sort of guy who would be prepared to put up with weeping and locker-clearing from the playing staff, or from the interference by people in suits at his training sessions.
He's another Lennon who'd be reading the riot act to slackers and the club has obviously decided that this isn't what's required in what we now term a 'head coach'.


Ffs dry your eyes mate.

I don’t know what went on anymore than you do but unlikely to be due to one heated row.

[BILLYHIBS]

Does anyone else think Lenny and Garry Parker have been working their ticket since the game at Tinycastle at the end of last season ?

I always felt from their actions and body language this season that they just didnae want to be here

Just saying likes!

Its great when a plan comes together

[IngolstadtHarry]

Ffs dry your eyes mate.

I don’t know what went on anymore than you do but unlikely to be due to one heated row.


I haven't the foggiest idea what you're havering about, son.

[EH26]

Does anyone else think Lenny and Garry Parker have been working their ticket since the game at Tinycastle at the end of last season ?

I always felt from their actions and body language this season that they just didnae want to be here

Just saying likes!

Its great when a plan comes together

Yes ,I think that's exactly whats been going on

[brianmc]

Does anyone else think Lenny and Garry Parker have been working their ticket since the game at Tinycastle at the end of last season ?

I always felt from their actions and body language this season that they just didnae want to be here

Just saying likes!

Its great when a plan comes together

I'd suggested that very thing to my daughter (who attends the games with me) a few weeks ago.
It was after yet another bizarre team selection and set up which left us both baffled, again!

Something behind the scenes has obviously been wrong for some time.
Pity really, but I never want to see anyone at our club so doesn't want to be there.
So thanks Lenny and see ya.

[Sir David Gray]

Statement wasn't far off what I had said - exonerating Lennon. Statement makes sense for all parties but I fear the club will take most of the brunt from this. Real shame.

Fair dos I don't personally believe anything in the statement but it's all we're going to get so best to forget about it and move on.

I can't get my head around how Lennon and Parker have managed to leave the club if neither of them resigned or were dismissed.

Surely these are the only two ways that one can leave an employer.

Either way I'm over it. It probably saves a messy court case taking place so from that perspective I'm happy with the outcome.

[WoreTheGreen]

Does anyone else think Lenny and Garry Parker have been working their ticket since the game at Tinycastle at the end of last season ?

I always felt from their actions and body language this season that they just didnae want to be here

Just saying likes!

Its great when a plan comes together

Yeah me I said weeks ago NL’s heart doesn’t seem to be in it anymore

[jacomo]

I haven't the foggiest idea what you're havering about, son.


Your extrapolation of Hibs supposed criteria for a new head coach based on a very limited understanding of the facts behind Lennon’s departure is ridiculous.

[IngolstadtHarry]

Your extrapolation of Hibs supposed criteria for a new head coach based on a very limited understanding of the facts behind Lennon’s departure is ridiculous.

Take a valium and try not to lose any sleep over it.

[Johnny Clash]

Fair dos I don't personally believe anything in the statement but it's all we're going to get so best to forget about it and move on.

I can't get my head around how Lennon and Parker have managed to leave the club if neither of them resigned or were dismissed.

Surely these are the only two ways that one can leave an employer.

Either way I'm over it. It probably saves a messy court case taking place so from that perspective I'm happy with the outcome.

I know what you mean. Can’t be a ‘redundancy’ either so must be some sort of ‘‘severence’. Either way both sides presumably must have agreed it’s the best solution in the circumstances.

[Leith Green]

Does anyone else think Lenny and Garry Parker have been working their ticket since the game at Tinycastle at the end of last season ?

I always felt from their actions and body language this season that they just didnae want to be here

Just saying likes!

Its great when a plan comes together


Its beginning to look like that could be the case.

[BSEJVT]

Fair dos I don't personally believe anything in the statement but it's all we're going to get so best to forget about it and move on.

I can't get my head around how Lennon and Parker have managed to leave the club if neither of them resigned or were dismissed.

Surely these are the only two ways that one can leave an employer.

Either way I'm over it. It probably saves a messy court case taking place so from that perspective I'm happy with the outcome.

Mutual consent means both parties came to an arrangement that it was time to part, nothing mysterious there.

[FitbaFolkKen]

Does anyone else think Lenny and Garry Parker have been working their ticket since the game at Tinycastle at the end of last season ?

I always felt from their actions and body language this season that they just didnae want to be here

Just saying likes!

Its great when a plan comes together

Yeah Lennon has been subdued ever since, dodging the media and then Leeann being quiet give the impression all was not well.

Some great times had, onto the next poor guy in charge of our great club!


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[Real Emerald]

Does anyone else think Lenny and Garry Parker have been working their ticket since the game at Tinycastle at the end of last season ?

I always felt from their actions and body language this season that they just didnae want to be here

Just saying likes!

Its great when a plan comes together

Its maybe just reading things into a situation that aren’t there but that’s exactly what I thought before this all blew up. The formations, tactics, outbursts and keeping himself away were so bizarre that made me think the same. Folk will always make things up in their own minds to justify strange goings on.

As he’s gone now I’m hoping it was all his fault that’s being kept secret rather than the board not backing him. We’ll probably never know know, onwards and upwards........hopefully 👍

[Peevemor]

Fair dos I don't personally believe anything in the statement but it's all we're going to get so best to forget about it and move on.

I can't get my head around how Lennon and Parker have managed to leave the club if neither of them resigned or were dismissed.

Surely these are the only two ways that one can leave an employer.

Either way I'm over it. It probably saves a messy court case taking place so from that perspective I'm happy with the outcome.The third way is, as stated, by mutual consent.

It's like a couple splitting up. He doesn't chuck her, she doesn't chuck him, they just decide that the relationship isn't working any more and decide to go their separate ways.

[CockneyRebel]

The third way is, as stated, by mutual consent.

It's like a couple splitting up. He doesn't chuck her, she doesn't chuck him, they just decide that the relationship isn't working any more and decide to go their separate ways.


If he doesn't get it after that succinct comparison then I'd give up on it.

[Peevemor]

If he doesn't get it after that succinct comparison then I'd give up on it.I was going to do my modern man thing and explain that it could also apply to same sex couples, where he doesn't chuck him and he doesn't chuck him or she doesn't chuck her nor does she chuck her, but I found it muddied the waters a bit.

[Hibbyradge]

As I have already told you, you are being totally disingenuous with this stat.

For a start, 38 games a season was only brought in by the SPL in the 2000/01 season.

Before this, the format was changed quite regularly, but most of the time the seasons were 30, 34 or 36 games long.

In Hibs' 144 year history, we did not play a league season in 25 of them, so let's eliminate those.

In Hibs' 144 year history, 9 seasons were played outside of the top flight. Quite a few of them amassed a bigger points total, but as Lennon's record points total was achieved in the top flight, we will disregard those seasons.

In Hibs' 144 year history, 66 of these seasons had fewer than 38 league games played, which makes it harder for higher points tallies to be achieved.

In Hibs' 144 year history, just 43 of Hibs' season have been in the top flight and have had 38 games or more in a season. Of these 39 seasons you are right in saying Lennon last season amassed the most points.

But let's not forget the introduction of two points for a win came in for the 1994/95 season. So let's have a look at some of the seasons where Hibs, often in fewer games, would have amassed more points than Lennon did (67) if three points for a win had been applied:

1924/25, 74 points (in the same number of games, 38)
1947/48, 70 points (in just 30 games, 8 fewer than Lennon had)
1949/50, 71 points (again in just 30 games, 8 fewer than Lennon had)
1950/51, 70 points (again in just 30 games, 8 fewer than Lennon had)
1973/74, 69 points (in just 34 games, 4 fewer than Lennon had)
1974/75, 69 points (again in just 34 games, 4 fewer than Lennon had)

And 1964/65 would've matched Lennon's total of 67 points.

So you can keep repeating it all you want, but it is absolutely hollow and devoid of any context outwith the past 20 years when three points for a win + 38 games has been a thing.

I hadn't seen that post.

Statistics, eh!

[BILLYHIBS]

I hadn't seen that post.

Statistics, eh!

I know HFC1875 flags it up over on the Lenny thread #161

The thread we are all trying to move on from :greengrin

[Hibbyradge]

I know HFC1875 flags it up over on the Lenny thread #161

The thread we are all trying to move on from :greengrin

Yes, that's where I saw the link.

I've decided not to move on.

I love Lenny so much that I hate him.

He was the best successful average failure of a manager Hibernian Football Club has ever had.

He really got Hibs and he knew he was bigger than the club although no one is.

I miss you Lenny although despite what I said earlier, I've moved on, although I haven't.

The future is green. Beige and green.

[BILLYHIBS]

Yes, that's where I saw the link.

I've decided not to move on.

I love Lenny so much that I hate him.

He was the best successful average failure of a manager Hibernian Football Club has ever had.

He really got Hibs and he knew he was bigger than the club although no one is.

I miss you Lenny although despite what I said earlier, I've moved on, although I haven't.

The future is green. Beige and green.

:faf:

[blackpoolhibs]

Yes, that's where I saw the link.

I've decided not to move on.

I love Lenny so much that I hate him.

He was the best successful average failure of a manager Hibernian Football Club has ever had.

He really got Hibs and he knew he was bigger than the club although no one is.

I miss you Lenny although despite what I said earlier, I've moved on, although I haven't.

The future is green. Beige and green.

:faf::faf:

[SHODAN]

There's now two Neil Lennon threads on the front page. Joy.

[Bostonhibby]

Yes, that's where I saw the link.

I've decided not to move on.

I love Lenny so much that I hate him.

He was the best successful average failure of a manager Hibernian Football Club has ever had.

He really got Hibs and he knew he was bigger than the club although no one is.

I miss you Lenny although despite what I said earlier, I've moved on, although I haven't.

The future is green. Beige and green.I don't know why but the thread got me thinking of that popular, but ultimately flawed genius, Lenny Beige.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190225/2e97ec5ea934e5552bfcf677427d4911.jpg

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[Hibbyradge]

I don't know why but the thread got me thinking of that popular, but ultimately flawed genius, Lenny Beige.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190225/2e97ec5ea934e5552bfcf677427d4911.jpg

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Popular but ultimately flawed ... :hmmm: