Lennon gone??

[J-C]

Kamberi family were over at Christmas, player was unhappy and wanted out, certain senior players went for a meal with the family and promised to look out for the lad. This has bullying written all over it, if Lennon had a problem all he had to do was get rid this window.

[we are hibs]

Well at least we’ll win our next 7 or games on the bounce now that Lennon’s away.

He’s the reason we’ve been crap all season and that our strikers don’t score right?

Flo and Jamie will show us good and proper tomorrow.


Well I mean firstly Maclaren was still with Australia so won't be here today

Secondly absolutely no one said it was Lennon's fault that the strikers weren't scoring. More the shan midfield he chucked behind them. Then lumping it up to kamberi with no support and expecting him to perform miracles. Quite clear he had a problem with kamberi and by the sounds of it the way he was acting towards him was verging on bullying and the players backed their team mate up. Let's be honest it wouldn't be out of character for Lennon would it?

[Lee Marvin]

That Sun piece reads as if was dictated by Lennon's PR team. "It wisnae me honest, the young forward I've been talking ***** about all season is the real bully." There's no way it's true.

Lennon or parker have contacted media themselves by the looks of things. Zero chance they are suspended due to an verbal altercation

[Lee Marvin]

Kamberi family were over at Christmas, player was unhappy and wanted out, certain senior players went for a meal with the family and promised to look out for the lad. This has bullying written all over it, if Lennon had a problem all he had to do was get rid this window.

Even from the outside it's patently obviously that he has been bullying him.

I ve wanted lennon gone for months and delighted he has.

Great manager when sun is shining, terrible with clouds overhead.

[Libby Hibby]

The media are alluding to it being a Lennon v Kamberi issue. However, this is probably the final straw in a long list of flash points since Hearts away last season. The berating of players publically, both individually and collectively, the constant formation changes leads to an unsettled side, the chopping and changing of playing personnel have all caused disharmony.

Lennon will argue he has been trying to find a winning formula and whilst partly true, anyone that knows football will know that constant change leads to confusion. Chuck in Lennons temperament, we will have a situation where the players are fearful of making a mistake.

Confusion and fearful of making a mistake unfortunately leads to tepid, inept and poor performances which we have been subject too recently. Have a the players beeen good enough this season? Probably not. Has Lennon been over critical? Probably yes.

It is just not one incident but a culmanation of things. Lennon and Hibs are just not suited at present. A fiery relationship which is on the road to a messy break up.

[Borderhibbie76]

Even from the outside it's patently obviously that he has been bullying him.

I ve wanted lennon gone for months and delighted he has.

Great manager when sun is shining, terrible with clouds overhead.Excellent summary of Lennon and bang on

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[bingo70]

Even from the outside it's patently obviously that he has been bullying him.

I ve wanted lennon gone for months and delighted he has.

Great manager when sun is shining, terrible with clouds overhead.

Your last sentence sums it up well imo

He’s done a good job at hibs over the last couple of years but I think it’s clear his time was up at hibs, not because of the results, it was just obvious the environment at Hibs was all wrong. In a successful side everybody needs to be in it together and it’s clear he’d created an ‘us and them’ mentality between the management and players. The public flogging ofncertain players was an attempt to get the fans on the management side.

I think the players will feel like a weight has been lifted from their shoulders now.

[SMAXXA]

Neil Lennon is responsible for this. That’s a fact.

I don’t think he is solely responsible yes service and up on his own at times has been difficult for him but he needs to take responsibility as he has been mince this seasons basic things like taking a ball and holding it in, work rate not as good, finishing poor is all irrelevant to formations or service imo.

If he’s no wanting to play for the manager and is demotivated that’s another question but if that’s the case he needs to look at himself as a professional footballer who should give his all to be on his A game every time regardless of circumstances.

Seems for some with Flo it’s suddenly all NL fault and if we are being honest Lennon was only saying what everyone else was who was watching Flo’s Performances. Has he took that criticism too far as a manager from a man management perspective yeah seems to be a case there.

[James Stephen]

Im glad there is a game today.

Lenny is now history, fondly remembered, but ended badly, as it was always likely to with him.

He wad good for us, but now he has gone.

[JimBHibees]

Kamberi family were over at Christmas, player was unhappy and wanted out, certain senior players went for a meal with the family and promised to look out for the lad. This has bullying written all over it, if Lennon had a problem all he had to do was get rid this window.

Interesting that really surprised we didnt then offload him in the window however hopefully a new manager can get the best out of him as his performances have been poor no doubt.

[bigwheel]

I don’t think he is solely responsible yes service and up on his own at times has been difficult for him but he needs to take responsibility as he has been mince this seasons basic things like taking a ball and holding it in, work rate not as good, finishing poor is all irrelevant to formations or service imo.

If he’s no wanting to play for the manager and is demotivated that’s another question but if that’s the case he needs to look at himself as a professional footballer who should give his all to be on his A game every time regardless of circumstances.

Seems for some with Flo it’s suddenly all NL fault and if we are being honest Lennon was only saying what everyone else was who was watching Flo’s Performances. Has he took that criticism too far as a manager from a man management perspective yeah seems to be a case there.

Whilst I think the man management of Flo has been very poor, I agree with this summary. Kamberi looks a fraction of last seasons player..he has not upped his game when we needed him this season..it will be interesting to see how he performs now ..

[calumhibee1]

Im glad there is a game today.

Lenny is now history, fondly remembered, but ended badly, as it was always likely to with him.

He wad good for us, but now he has gone.

Likewise. I’m really looking forward to today. Not expecting vintage football but I reckon we will get a result.

[SMAXXA]

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1078352/Hibernian-Neil-Lennon-Florian-Kamberi-Scottish-Premiership
Scott Burns I know is close to the club so this is probably as close to the truth you’re going to get.

The situation is fairly simple in one sense, where there has been an accusation of bullying or harassment in the workplace, as responsible employers the club have a duty to investigate these claims and suspended Lennon to allow for investigations to take place. Hence why no comments from the club. Outcomes may be claims unfounded, claims proven and Lennon disciplined or contract terminated either way the club is in a very difficult and sensitive situation and people need to be patient.

Hibs have done nothing wrong here and there seems to be a sense of ach it’s football players need to have thick skin and take the flak which I agree to an extent in any job but there becomes a tipping point where that criticism descends into something more and problems arise.

[JimBHibees]

I don’t think he is solely responsible yes service and up on his own at times has been difficult for him but he needs to take responsibility as he has been mince this seasons basic things like taking a ball and holding it in, work rate not as good, finishing poor is all irrelevant to formations or service imo.

If he’s no wanting to play for the manager and is demotivated that’s another question but if that’s the case he needs to look at himself as a professional footballer who should give his all to be on his A game every time regardless of circumstances.

Seems for some with Flo it’s suddenly all NL fault and if we are being honest Lennon was only saying what everyone else was who was watching Flo’s Performances. Has he took that criticism too far as a manager from a man management perspective yeah seems to be a case there.

Agree not all one way he needs to up his game, basics like holding the ball and protecting it seem to have disappeared from him though likely a confidence issue also.

[Lee Marvin]

The default line now is that flo has been poor, which is true. However, this narrative is brought up due to Lennon's relentless lambasting of the player.

Has flo been any worse than hanlon, Slivka, horgan, mallan, hyndman, Boyle, milligan, mcgregor, maclaren?

I'd suggest probably not.

[ManlyOz]

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1078352/Hibernian-Neil-Lennon-Florian-Kamberi-Scottish-Premiership

After speaking to my youth player mate this is exactly what he said happened, real shame it came to this.

[bingo70]

The default line now is that flo has been poor, which is true. However, this narrative is brought up due to Lennon's relentless lambasting of the player.

Has flo been any worse than hanlon, Slivka, horgan, hyndman, Boyle, milligan, mcgregor, maclaren?

I'd suggest probably not.

It’s become a fact the Flo hasn’t put the effort in on the park which I’ve just not seen at all, he’s been working as hard as he ever did, he’s just been less effective because of the way he’s been played and the resulting lack of confidence.

The livi game summed it up for me, he dropped Kamberi which is fair enough, however we were absolutely stinking up front until he came on, as soon as he did we were immediately much more threatening which suggests Flo made a positive difference.

Flo then gets the blame for losing a goal because he was outmuscled about 70 yards from our own goal and because he missed a pen, something which some of the best players in the world do sometimes.

A positive manager with softer people skills will go a long way with this side imo.

[Barney McGrew]

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1078352/Hibernian-Neil-Lennon-Florian-Kamberi-Scottish-Premiership

After speaking to my youth player mate this is exactly what he said happened, real shame it came to this.

Scott Burns is usually spot on when it comes to Hibs stuff, and that’s a pretty balanced piece IMO.

There’s obviously stuff been going on in the background for ages, but the last line is interesting and suggests they’d not expected to have to replace him until this all kicked off.

[we are hibs]

It’s become a fact the Flo hasn’t put the effort in on the park which I’ve just not seen at all, he’s been working as hard as he ever did, he’s just been less effective because of the way he’s been played and the resulting lack of confidence.

The livi game summed it up for me, he dropped Kamberi which is fair enough, however we were absolutely stinking up front until he came on, as soon as he did we were immediately much more threatening which suggests Flo made a positive difference.

Flo then gets the blame for losing a goal because he was outmuscled about 70 yards from our own goal and because he missed a pen, something which some of the best players in the world do sometimes.

A positive manager with softer people skills will go a long way with this side imo.


It's a myth he wasn't trying. But you could also see how increasingly pissed off he was getting everytime he didn't win a long ball or he wasn't getting the pass at the right time.

[bingo70]

It's a myth he wasn't trying. But you could also see how increasingly pissed off he was getting everytime he didn't win a long ball or he wasn't getting the pass at the right time.

Probably because for every game that passed that he received terrible service he knew he was going to get hammered by Lennon for the rest of the teams failings.

[greenpaper55]

Scotsman saying the same

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/hibernian/florian-kamberi-cleared-his-locker-at-hibs-after-neil-lennon-rant-1-4863120

[J-C]

Probably because for every game that passed that he received terrible service he knew he was going to get hammered by Lennon for the rest of the teams failings.

The Express seems to suggest he'd had enough and said he wouldn't play for Lennon again, he was almost going to jack it in at Christmas but Gray talked him round, good captaincy there. There also seems to be a culmination of events in the past few months that's brought this to a head, Lennon's signing targets which the recruitment disagreed with, what targets and why the disagreement.

[Hibernian Verse]

Inb4 Kamberi scores in a vital win today.

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[Callum_62]

It's the Sun ffs, how many times are we going to read bu**** like this before it sinks in that actually, they don't know anymore than we do?

Let me guess- other rags that lean towards the club are right though yeah?

If the board are sick if lennon or do think hes not the man for the job - sack him

Its another wavering half action move.




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[flash]

Let me guess- other rags that lean towards the club are right though yeah?

If the board are sick if lennon or do think hes not the man for the job - sack him

Its another wavering half action move.




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It's a necessary legal move under the circumstances.

[SlickShoes]

Lennons hairdryer treatment is something you can only do short term to motivate someone. If that’s his long term plan on how to get the best out of any player then I’m glad he’s been moved on. This is the kind of coaching that makes kids stop playing football altogether, it’s not the 70s and 80s anymore and no one is a snow flake because they won’t stand there and take verbal abuse right in their face repeatedly.

[Callum_62]

It's a necessary legal move under the circumstances.

How many managers get sacked? All the time with minimal fuss

“The legal action” is an attempt to reduce or stop a pay off

Folk love the term Hibs class too

If Lennon has done half the stuff that folk seem to believe then a sacking for
GM is a no brainer

Instead we have a limbo type situation where everything is up in the air, right at the end of the transfer window


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[Tyler Durden]

The default line now is that flo has been poor, which is true. However, this narrative is brought up due to Lennon's relentless lambasting of the player.

Has flo been any worse than hanlon, Slivka, horgan, mallan, hyndman, Boyle, milligan, mcgregor, maclaren?

I'd suggest probably not.

Correct. People also forget that Flo was excellent up until the Derby. Did well in the European games and had 4 goals in 5 games in the league.

He's rightly been criticised for poor hold up and too easy brushed off the ball. But in that Derby he was physical and giving 110% - too psyched up arguably. He was very harshly sent off and Lennon seemed to fail to defend him after the game at all. Instead he was hung up on his own issues.

People saying Flo has been cr@p all season are off the mark. He's gone downhill since November, which coincides with Lennons erratic behaviour. Kamberi certainly not faultless but he actually responded well to Parker's initial criticism. Took it on the chin, was professional and came back quite well in the wins against Hamilton and Celtic. For Lennon to continue to single him out after was madness and it is bullying basically.

[Not In The Know]

Kamberi family were over at Christmas, player was unhappy and wanted out, certain senior players went for a meal with the family and promised to look out for the lad. This has bullying written all over it, if Lennon had a problem all he had to do was get rid this window.

People forget flo is not a senior player he’s a young lad who’s not even had a full season as a main striker. Lennon should be protecting him not using him as a focal point for all his negative emotions and quite frankly failures.

Lets not forget we are 8 points from the top 6 with only one round of fixtures to go. That horrendous.

[calumhibee1]

How many managers get sacked? All the time with minimal fuss

“The legal action” is an attempt to reduce or stop a pay off

Folk love the term Hibs class too

If Lennon has done half the stuff that folk seem to believe then a sacking for
GM is a no brainer

Instead we have a limbo type situation where everything is up in the air, right at the end of the transfer window


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He cannot be sacked for what is presumably gross misconduct without an investigation. It’s not legally possible for Hibs to do it. Meaning he has to be suspended. If he’s done something worthy of gross misconduct then why on earth would Hibs just pay him off anyway? Especially if he’s on as much money as people claim he is.

[WhileTheChief..]

So basically Flo has value to the club meaning that Lennon had to go.

All the chat about no one is bigger than the club? Apparently Flo is.

How does the next manager deal with him? If he says anything that Flo doesn’t like he’s leaving himself wide open to Flo or other players running to LD.

The players rule now and any future manager is screwed already.

The club have got this spectacularly wrong.

[calumhibee1]

Correct. People also forget that Flo was excellent up until the Derby. Did well in the European games and had 4 goals in 5 games in the league.

He's rightly been criticised for poor hold up and too easy brushed off the ball. But in that Derby he was physical and giving 110% - too psyched up arguably. He was very harshly sent off and Lennon seemed to fail to defend him after the game at all. Instead he was hung up on his own issues.

People saying Flo has been cr@p all season are off the mark. He's gone downhill since November, which coincides with Lennons erratic behaviour. Kamberi certainly not faultless but he actually responded well to Parker's initial criticism. Took it on the chin, was professional and came back quite well in the wins against Hamilton and Celtic. For Lennon to continue to single him out after was madness and it is bullying basically.

:agree:

Flo hasn’t been great recently but he was decent earlier in the season. As our season has turned into a meltdown Flos performances have suffered. It’s been clear as day he can’t play as a lone striker, 30 yards away from the midfield trying to deal with long punts but we’ve continued with it anyway for months. Then slaughtered him for not playing well.

[Callum_62]

He cannot be sacked for what is presumably gross misconduct without an investigation. It’s not legally possible for Hibs to do it. Meaning he has to be suspended. If he’s done something worthy of gross misconduct then why on earth would Hibs just pay him off anyway? Especially if he’s on as much money as people claim he is.

So when i go into the office the morn & start launching chairs and grabbing folk by the throat - il just be sent home pending an investigation?


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[calumhibee1]

So basically Flo has value to the club meaning that Lennon had to go.

All the chat about no one is bigger than the club? Apparently Flo is.

How does the next manager deal with him? If he says anything that Flo doesn’t like he’s leaving himself wide open to Flo or other players running to LD.

The players rule now and any future manager is screwed already.

The club have got this spectacularly wrong.

What would you have done differently? Let Flo go and Lennon carry on? To do that we would have had to just totally ignore whatever it is that Lennon has done. Seeing as he’s been suspended it must have been fairly serious. Surely that would be treating Lennon as being bigger than the club?

[calumhibee1]

So when i go into the office the morn & start launching chairs and grabbing folk by the throat - il just be sent home pending an investigation?


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You would. You’d certainly be sacked eventually but yes, that’s exactly what would happen.

[Tyler Durden]

So basically Flo has value to the club meaning that Lennon had to go.

All the chat about no one is bigger than the club? Apparently Flo is.

How does the next manager deal with him? If he says anything that Flo doesn’t like he’s leaving himself wide open to Flo or other players running to LD.

The players rule now and any future manager is screwed already.

The club have got this spectacularly wrong.

You've got it the wrong way around. If LD backed Lennon here, what's to stop him signing more players that he treats similarly and runs down? There is a code of conduct and Lennon seems to have breached it.

Putting that to one side, is it rational behaviour to lambast your only recognised striker 2 days before a game?

Does it not ring alarm bells with you that senior players felt they had to intervene?

[Callum_62]

You would. You’d certainly be sacked eventually but yes, that’s exactly what would happen.

In that case, Youve just written my next resignation letter for me [emoji23][emoji23]

Whats involved in the investigation?


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[Tyler Durden]

So when i go into the office the morn & start launching chairs and grabbing folk by the throat - il just be sent home pending an investigation?


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Yes you would.

[southsider]

To find out that he, whilst Hibs head coach was due to go on a chat night on 19/2 to talk about another Club (seltik) makes me glad he is history. We are toiling and he wants to p@ss about doing this cr@p. You have plenty time on your hands now Neil. Goodbye.

[neil7908]

Correct. People also forget that Flo was excellent up until the Derby. Did well in the European games and had 4 goals in 5 games in the league.

He's rightly been criticised for poor hold up and too easy brushed off the ball. But in that Derby he was physical and giving 110% - too psyched up arguably. He was very harshly sent off and Lennon seemed to fail to defend him after the game at all. Instead he was hung up on his own issues.

People saying Flo has been cr@p all season are off the mark. He's gone downhill since November, which coincides with Lennons erratic behaviour. Kamberi certainly not faultless but he actually responded well to Parker's initial criticism. Took it on the chin, was professional and came back quite well in the wins against Hamilton and Celtic. For Lennon to continue to single him out after was madness and it is bullying basically.

This. Flo is a top player and we had a really good start to the season but Lennon has not been able to handle this bad run of form that started with the 6-0 Hamilton game.

Apart from maybe Efe and Porteous could you single out one other impressive, consistent performer since then?

So why has it always been Flo? Why hasn't it Mallan, Milligan, Boyle, Hyndman, Horgan etc got torn a new one and lambasted in public?

Guys like the Gray, McGregor and Bartley care about this club, more than Lennon I'd imagine and if they have gone to Dempster it'll be for a good reason, not just cause Lennon had 'high standards'.

He's been erratic since the Tynecastle loss at the end of last season. He threatened to leave then and us fans and the club backed him. He did it again and we still stood by him. He called all of the players rejects and again we explained it away. There is no way his is all about Lennon being ambitious and the board failing to match that.

[Callum_62]

I expect Levein will be suspended soon for his blatant public bullying of there new 7 foot striker


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[WestStandMoaner]

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1078352/Hibernian-Neil-Lennon-Florian-Kamberi-Scottish-Premiership

After speaking to my youth player mate this is exactly what he said happened, real shame it came to this.


If ths this is true it will be the second time players have got rid of a manager at hibs and that cannot be right.

i think LD has been looking for an excuse, if Lennon has been the problem for the players then we should see a vast improvement from them today

[neil7908]

In that case, Youve just written my next resignation letter for me [emoji23][emoji23]

Whats involved in the investigation?


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Is it not petty obvious?

If senior staff in your office saw you behave this way you may well be dismissed immediately. If however you as a manager behaved in his manner only in front of staff underneath you and they then went to HR or your boss it would be there word against yours. So they've have to investigate. That would likely involve statements from all present to try and establish a clear narrative about what happen. HR would also be involved.

[The Leith Dutch]

So when i go into the office the morn & start launching chairs and grabbing folk by the throat - il just be sent home pending an investigation?


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As others have pointed out that's exactly what would happen.
It would likely be resolved quicker in your case if you're a regular member of staff rather than someone senior.
Also, you're less likely to have a highly paid legal team to cause issues for your company.

[bingo70]

If ths this is true it will be the second time players have got rid of a manager at hibs and that cannot be right.

i think LD has been looking for an excuse, if Lennon has been the problem for the players then we should see a vast improvement from them today

Do you really think that’s how it works?

The preparation for this game has been shocking and it won’t have been an enjoyable day or two for the players. Their confidence is rock bottom and it can take weeks of good management to restore that.

With regards to the players having too much power, everyone has got a breaking point and if they feel one of their team mates is being bullied or picked on and it’s got to the point that player can’t even stand to be at the club any more then I commend them for sticking up for their team mate, that’s what good team mates doo.

[WhileTheChief..]

You've got it the wrong way around. If LD backed Lennon here, what's to stop him signing more players that he treats similarly and runs down? There is a code of conduct and Lennon seems to have breached it.

Putting that to one side, is it rational behaviour to lambast your only recognised striker 2 days before a game?

Does it not ring alarm bells with you that senior players felt they had to intervene?

Our next manager will be walking on egg shells from day one. He won’t know which players he can trust and who will run to LD at the first hint of being upset.

I just cant take the players side here. Lennon was right with his boy band chat on day 1, most of us agreed with him but we’ve gone full circle and apparently want that back again.

I’m absolutely gutted. I thought we’d learnt. I thought we’d toughened up as a club and yet it’s all out the window now.

Back to being nicely nicey with ER being turned into a community centre.

Gutted.

[bingo70]

Our next manager will be walking on egg shells from day one. He won’t know which players he can trust and who will run to LD at the first hint of being upset.

I just cant take the players side here. Lennon was right with his boy band chat on day 1, most of us agreed with him but we’ve gone full circle and apparently want that back again.

I’m absolutely gutted. I thought we’d learnt. I thought we’d toughened up as a club and yet it’s all out the window now.

Back to being nicely nicey with ER being turned into a community centre.

Gutted.

Couldn’t disagree with you more.

[Colr]

Lennons hairdryer treatment is something you can only do short term to motivate someone.

That’s about right and once you’ve lost respect it has no chance of working at all.

[Speedway]

Instead of looking at it from the managers side or the players side, how about the club’s side?

We’re spending bigger money than normal given to us by bigger crowds than normal, to deliver 8th.

The manager keeps criticising the players publically and the board and staff privately.

The saleable assets and club employees have had enough of the manager.

The manager decides whether he wants to show up, do the press or reconsider his position every few months.

Which is the club being held to ransom to the most. Manager? Or players?

[mcfly]

If ths this is true it will be the second time players have got rid of a manager at hibs and that cannot be right.

i think LD has been looking for an excuse, if Lennon has been the problem for the players then we should see a vast improvement from them today

No one knows for sure what happened.

Different papers saying different things. Some supporting players others supporting Lennon.

Even the fans are split in who they support. However the big thing is he is now no longer in charge, v unlikely will return and we will get a new manager.

Hibs will move on, and we will all stay fans.

All fans can do is back the team and hope they are happier and play well today.

The bigger issue for me is that we need new players and fast or this could quickly turn into a relegation battle

[Heisenberg]

Our next manager will be walking on egg shells from day one. He won’t know which players he can trust and who will run to LD at the first hint of being upset.

I just cant take the players side here. Lennon was right with his boy band chat on day 1, most of us agreed with him but we’ve gone full circle and apparently want that back again.

I’m absolutely gutted. I thought we’d learnt. I thought we’d toughened up as a club and yet it’s all out the window now.

Back to being nicely nicey with ER being turned into a community centre.

Gutted.

Thoroughly disagree. Lennon has been a shambles since the derby at the end of last season. Constant outbursts in the press and threats to leave every time we get a result he doesn’t like. His tactical decision making has also been baffling all season.

He’s clearly lost the support of the players. That’s down to him. It’s his fault. He’s their manager and is responsible for looking after them efficiently and getting them to perform. We’re on a run of 3 wins in 15 games and not once has he taken any sort of responsibility. He shifts the blame every time with Kamberi being his main target.

It’s been coming and I’m glad it now looks to be over. He did a good job last season but he’s built his own team this season and it’s been rotten.

[SMAXXA]

I expect Levein will be suspended soon for his blatant public bullying of there new 7 foot striker


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Am no sure what’s so hard to comprehend Callum? As I’ve said before there criticism and to a point where that goes to far or is continuous and can become constrieved as bullying or harassment.

Clubs in these situations can’t just sack someone without going through due process and diligence to ensure they don’t inadvertently dismiss or punish someone incorrectly.

[WhileTheChief..]

What would you have done differently? Let Flo go and Lennon carry on? To do that we would have had to just totally ignore whatever it is that Lennon has done. Seeing as he’s been suspended it must have been fairly serious. Surely that would be treating Lennon as being bigger than the club?

I said in an earlier post that I really hope Lennon has done something so outrageously bad that the club had no other course of action open to them.

From reading online though that doesn’t appear to be the case. In simple terms he’s upset some players and has been suspended.

That’s the bottom line right?

I don’t see how any of you can take the clubs side if that’s the case.

[jeffers]

If ths this is true it will be the second time players have got rid of a manager at hibs and that cannot be right.

i think LD has been looking for an excuse, if Lennon has been the problem for the players then we should see a vast improvement from them today

I don't think that's right mate. The senior players have been there since NL arrived and nothing like this happened before. I admire them for defending Flo and if anything it shows they are still all together as a group. It must have got to the stage where they've thought enough is enough. As others have said if NL didn't rate Flo, then he should have dropped him and made moves to get him sold, constant berating and bullying is not how to get the best out of a player. Asides from anything else Flo has been playing through an injury.

[scooby]

Couldn’t disagree with you more.

Agree, Lennon is the problem here.

[mcfly]

Our next manager will be walking on egg shells from day one. He won’t know which players he can trust and who will run to LD at the first hint of being upset.

I just cant take the players side here. Lennon was right with his boy band chat on day 1, most of us agreed with him but we’ve gone full circle and apparently want that back again.

I’m absolutely gutted. I thought we’d learnt. I thought we’d toughened up as a club and yet it’s all out the window now.

Back to being nicely nicey with ER being turned into a community centre.

Gutted.

Utter rubbish.

The majority of the team is Lennons signings so is he not responsible?

He turns up for interviews when we are winning but where is he when the team is doing poorly?

Take your Lennon blinkers off - both the manager and players are at fault here.

Sadly the only losers here are the fans as we have paid good money in big numbers for this shambles....

[Speedway]

I said in an earlier post that I really hope Lennon has done something so outrageously bad that the club had no other course of action open to them.

From reading online though that doesn’t appear to be the case. In simple terms he’s upset some players and has been suspended.

That’s the bottom line right?

I don’t see how any of you can take the clubs side if that’s the case.

So far it appears to not be what NL has done but rather how he’s gone about doing it, that has caused the problem.

[Callum_62]

Instead of looking at it from the managers side or the players side, how about the club’s side?

We’re spending bigger money than normal given to us by bigger crowds than normal, to deliver 8th.

The manager keeps criticising the players publically and the board and staff privately.

The saleable assets and club employees have had enough of the manager.

The manager decides whether he wants to show up, do the press or reconsider his position every few months.

Which is the club being held to ransom to the most. Manager? Or players?

In that case - sack him


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[WhileTheChief..]

Thoroughly disagree. Lennon has been a shambles since the derby at the end of last season. Constant outbursts in the press and threats to leave every time we get a result he doesn’t like. His tactical decision making has also been baffling all season.

He’s clearly lost the support of the players. That’s down to him. It’s his fault. He’s their manager and is responsible for looking after them efficiently and getting them to perform. We’re on a run of 3 wins in 15 games and not once has he taken any sort of responsibility. He shifts the blame every time with Kamberi being his main target.

It’s been coming and I’m glad it now looks to be over. He did a good job last season but he’s built his own team this season and it’s been rotten.

That’s a different argument though. I agree with most of what you’ve said here.

But he’s not been suspended for results or tactics.

Apparently he’s been suspended for the way he spoke to Flo and/or other players.

That’s what I disagree with, no matter what was said. It’s words. Players need to ****** grow a set and could have proved him wrong on the pitch.

Instead they ran greeting to LD.

[neil7908]

Instead of looking at it from the managers side or the players side, how about the club’s side?

We’re spending bigger money than normal given to us by bigger crowds than normal, to deliver 8th.

The manager keeps criticising the players publically and the board and staff privately.

The saleable assets and club employees have had enough of the manager.

The manager decides whether he wants to show up, do the press or reconsider his position every few months.

Which is the club being held to ransom to the most. Manager? Or players?

Extremely well put. How would folk react if Flo was getting interviewed after a game and kept suggesting he was planning on leaving, or that Hibs weren't matching his ambitions (ie he was too big for us)? Flo has kept everything behind the scenes and it's gotten so bad that senior players, some of whom were managed by Butcher and Malpas FFS felt it was bad enough they had to step in.

There's a point actually, should we get Butcher and Malpas back? They were the old school type of manager who blasted the players. It worked so well last time afterall.

[Speedway]

That’s a different argument though. I agree with most of what you’ve said here.

But he’s not been suspended for results or tactics.

Apparently he’s been suspended for the way he spoke to Flo and/or other players.

That’s what I disagree with, no matter what was said. It’s words. Players need to ****** grow a set and could have proved him wrong on the pitch.

Instead they ran greeting to LD.

In which case we’re saying that ‘sir’ David Gray is the Mikey Stewart weasel here?

[scooby]

I said in an earlier post that I really hope Lennon has done something so outrageously bad that the club had no other course of action open to them.

From reading online though that doesn’t appear to be the case. In simple terms he’s upset some players and has been suspended.

That’s the bottom line right?

I don’t see how any of you can take the clubs side if that’s the case.

Lennon has clearly lost the plot, and he's not about to admit any responsibility for the current situation.
I'm glad the players have had the balls to stand up to him, it's clearly time for a change of management and approach.

[jeffers]

That’s a different argument though. I agree with most of what you’ve said here.

But he’s not been suspended for results or tactics.

Apparently he’s been suspended for the way he spoke to Flo and/or other players.

That’s what I disagree with, no matter what was said. It’s words. Players need to ****** grow a set and could have proved him wrong on the pitch.

Instead they ran greeting to LD.

Do you think guys like David Gray, Marvin Bartley and Darren MacGregor are sensitive wee souls who go running to the board simply because the manager shouted at them ? Or do you think it more likely they'd had enough of seeing a team mate being constantly bullied ? I know what I believe.

[bigwheel]

I said in an earlier post that I really hope Lennon has done something so outrageously bad that the club had no other course of action open to them.

From reading online though that doesn’t appear to be the case. In simple terms he’s upset some players and has been suspended.

That’s the bottom line right?

I don’t see how any of you can take the clubs side if that’s the case.

You are taking a different perspective than most on here..so thanks for putting in some different points. With all events, it is likely that neither one side or the other that is in the right.

It does appear to be more about language, tone and behaviour rather than physical violence. So in a sense you could well have a decent challenge here. It can't have been just this incident. Feels like a culmination of a number of events - so was this being managed by the club? We were all talking about this Lennon / Kamberi thing - what had Craig and Dempster done to try to manage Lennon to get it right? We don't know..if nothing, then they've got this wrong too.

Equally, players complaining about their manager is troubling. Never seems to me to suggest they are looking deep at themselves too..Lennon is a born winner. Even his detractors would recognise that...is it that these players are uncomfortable with his demands? will we get someone in with that level of desire?

To me, it feels like there are stories and elements that suggest all parties, Lennon and the players and the club could well have handled this situation better..


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[Heisenberg]

That’s a different argument though. I agree with most of what you’ve said here.

But he’s not been suspended for results or tactics.

Apparently he’s been suspended for the way he spoke to Flo and/or other players.

That’s what I disagree with, no matter what was said. It’s words. Players need to ****** grow a set and could have proved him wrong on the pitch.

Instead they ran greeting to LD.

Your right, it is words (apparently, could be more but no one actually knows). The thing is though, he’s been at it all season. Maybe Flo finally snapped and told him he’d had enough of being singled out and stormed off. I’m glad our senior players reported the managers behaviour to his superiors because that’s how it would work in every day life too.

Football being seen as different is ridiculous and players being told they should just “man up” and “grow a set” isn’t going to wash in this day and age. Especially if their manager has had a personal vendetta against them in private/public for months.

[The Leith Dutch]

Our next manager will be walking on egg shells from day one. He won’t know which players he can trust and who will run to LD at the first hint of being upset.

I just cant take the players side here. Lennon was right with his boy band chat on day 1, most of us agreed with him but we’ve gone full circle and apparently want that back again.

I’m absolutely gutted. I thought we’d learnt. I thought we’d toughened up as a club and yet it’s all out the window now.

Back to being nicely nicey with ER being turned into a community centre.

Gutted.

If that's the case we'd have made the wrong appointment imo.

A good manager would never be walking on egg shells - he'd have confidence and trust that his own methods, selections and man management would bring results.
He'd also trust himself to identify players that can be trusted and to have the dressing room show him backing and loyalty (which is a far more natural state for football players than speaking to the MD on a day to day basis).

Most players don't want to be running the club or undermining the manager.
They want someone they can play for.

[madhatter]

That’s a different argument though. I agree with most of what you’ve said here.

But he’s not been suspended for results or tactics.

Apparently he’s been suspended for the way he spoke to Flo and/or other players.

That’s what I disagree with, no matter what was said. It’s words. Players need to ****** grow a set and could have proved him wrong on the pitch.

Instead they ran greeting to LD.

Players need to grow a set but when Lennon decides he doesn’t fancy doing an interview we all understand and are concerned for his mental health? I guess it’s fine because Lennon is a born winner though, eh? You do understand that having a boss that routinely just shouts rubbish at you may impact your mental health...those words may even had taken a pop at your personal situation, heritage or even race but I guess they are, as you say, words.

Football players are human too. I’m guessing most on here would go to HR if they encountered a problem with their boss? Or am I the odd one out and you all just end up eventually causing a mass brawl at your work place?

[SMAXXA]

Players need to grow a set but when Lennon decides he doesn’t fancy doing an interview we all understand and are concerned for his mental health? I guess it’s fine because Lennon is a born winner though, eh? You do understand that having a boss that routinely just shouts rubbish at you may impact your mental health...those words may even had taken a pop at your personal situation, heritage or even race but I guess they are, as you say, words.

Football players are human too. I’m guessing most on here would go to HR if they encountered a problem with their boss? Or am I the odd one out and you all just end up eventually causing a mass brawl at your work place?

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[calumhibee1]

That’s a different argument though. I agree with most of what you’ve said here.

But he’s not been suspended for results or tactics.

Apparently he’s been suspended for the way he spoke to Flo and/or other players.

That’s what I disagree with, no matter what was said. It’s words. Players need to ****** grow a set and could have proved him wrong on the pitch.

Instead they ran greeting to LD.

This is exactly the kind of attitude society is thankfully getting away from. Thankfully Hibs won't be any different in that regard.

[Bangkok Hibby]

Our next manager will be walking on egg shells from day one. He won’t know which players he can trust and who will run to LD at the first hint of being upset.

I just cant take the players side here. Lennon was right with his boy band chat on day 1, most of us agreed with him but we’ve gone full circle and apparently want that back again.

I’m absolutely gutted. I thought we’d learnt. I thought we’d toughened up as a club and yet it’s all out the window now.

Back to being nicely nicey with ER being turned into a community centre.

Gutted.

Can't agree. Looks like our senior players had enough of some in the side being constantly bad mouthed by a bully of a boss. For all we know SDG maybe had a word in private first and thats why he's out of favour.
They are professional footballers doing the right thing for their team mates and the club. There is no suggestion this is something any other manager will encounter.

[superfurryhibby]

Instead of looking at it from the managers side or the players side, how about the club’s side?

We’re spending bigger money than normal given to us by bigger crowds than normal, to deliver 8th.

The manager keeps criticising the players publically and the board and staff privately.

The saleable assets and club employees have had enough of the manager.

The manager decides whether he wants to show up, do the press or reconsider his position every few months.

Which is the club being held to ransom to the most. Manager? Or players?

All of this and more.

Favouritism to the detriment of results and lack of any clear strategy or game plan. The buck stops with the manager.

[ballengeich]

Equally, players complaining about their manager is troubling. Never seems to me to suggest they are looking deep at themselves too..Lennon is a born winner. Even his detractors would recognise that...is it that these players are uncomfortable with his demands? will we get someone in with that level of desire?



I don't think that people complain about criticism from a manager if they can see justification in it. Trouble comes when a manager victimises subordinates to conceal, principally from himself, that team failures are being caused by his own limitations in organising his staff to get the best from them. That's what I think has been happening.

I don't know what born winner means. No-one likes losing, but it's got to be more than blaming other people when things aren't going how you want.

[SHODAN]

This is exactly the kind of attitude society is thankfully getting away from. Thankfully Hibs won't be any different in that regard.

Yup.

If your whole man-management strategy is based on telling people they're **** until they play better, don't be surprised when they either 1. Stand up to you (cause guess what, adults can have their own developed opinions and perspectives) or 2. Get so demotivated that they believe they're **** and play like ****.

[WestStandMoaner]

Do you really think that’s how it works?

The preparation for this game has been shocking and it won’t have been an enjoyable day or two for the players. Their confidence is rock bottom and it can take weeks of good management to restore that.

With regards to the players having too much power, everyone has got a breaking point and if they feel one of their team mates is being bullied or picked on and it’s got to the point that player can’t even stand to be at the club any more then I commend them for sticking up for their team mate, that’s what good team mates doo.

Cannot see why it needs to take weeks, I do not think it is too much to ask to see an improvement at least in attitude today. You either want to win or you don't. You mention the team sticking by each other, I don't have a problem with that but we could go through a lot of managers if every time a hibs manager does not get on with a player the team complain and we change the manager. It is not going to do the club any good keeping and recruiting managers.

Anyway need to go I'm off to see the hibs and hopefully I get to see an improvement and win.

[Peevemor]

We hear all the time that training ground bust-ups are a common occurance and are quickly forgotten but in reality people aren't like that. If you've had a big fall-out with someone then any kiss and make up semblance of normality afterward is just kiddie-on, there will always be a current of bad feeling under the surface.

If Lennon had "lost" the majority of the squad then the club had to act.

And maybe his suspension isn't due to how he spoke to the players but how he spoke to Leeann when confronted about his behaviour. I get the impression that the Lennon/Dempster relationship is purely professional, I'm not sure they get on that well and this is probably the latest in a series of heated exchanges between the two.

[MWHIBBIES]

So basically Flo has value to the club meaning that Lennon had to go.

All the chat about no one is bigger than the club? Apparently Flo is.

How does the next manager deal with him? If he says anything that Flo doesn’t like he’s leaving himself wide open to Flo or other players running to LD.

The players rule now and any future manager is screwed already.

The club have got this spectacularly wrong.

:faf:

Or Lennon has actually bullied the guy and he has rightly complained.

You know those young lads who were being sexually assaulted by coaches at English clubs (Crew, Chelsea among others). Imagine if they had complained and the guy had been suspended. Is that the club getting it spectacularly wrong as well?

There are alot more signs pointing to Lennon bullying Kamberi than there are players abusing their power.

[calumhibee1]

I don't think that people complain about criticism from a manager if they can see justification in it. Trouble comes when a manager victimises subordinates to conceal, principally from himself, that team failures are being caused by his own limitations in organising his staff to get the best from them. That's what I think has been happening.

I don't know what born winner means. No-one likes losing, but it's got to be more than blaming other people when things aren't going how you want.

:agree:

I don't buy into the born winner thing, and I may be wrong, but I reckon a lot of the born winner chat stems from the fact he blows his top a lot if things aren't going well and regularly shows very visible moments of passion. That doesn't make him any more of a winner than someone who is more introverted in there will to win.

I'm not saying he's not a winner, but next to nobody gets to professional level of sport by not being someone who wants to win. It's not something that's exclusive to NL.

[660]

He’s a born winner, 3 out of 15 times

[calumhibee1]

Cannot see why it needs to take weeks, I do not think it is too much to ask to see an improvement at least in attitude today. You either want to win or you don't. You mention the team sticking by each other, I don't have a problem with that but we could go through a lot of managers if every time a hibs manager does not get on with a player the team complain and we change the manager. It is not going to do the club any good keeping and recruiting managers.

Anyway need to go I'm off to see the hibs and hopefully I get to see an improvement and win.

I'm fairly optimistic about today and I do think there could be an improvement. I think a lot of the players, none more so than Flo, will feel a weight off their shoulders.

There confidence could well be shot though and that does take a bit of time to rebuild.

[WhileTheChief..]

So the overwhelming consensus is that the players were right in this instance?

Some of you should go back amd read the match day threads from this season. Every one of them is stacked full of fans slating players, some of it is ridiculously hostile.

Now you’re all on the players side with you arms around them offering understanding and comfort?!

You can’t have it both ways.

[WhileTheChief..]

:faf:

Or Lennon has actually bullied the guy and he has rightly complained.

You know those young lads who were being sexually assaulted by coaches at English clubs (Crew, Chelsea among others). Imagine if they had complained and the guy had been suspended. Is that the club getting it spectacularly wrong as well?

There are alot more signs pointing to Lennon bullying Kamberi than there are players abusing their power.

Shouting at players to child abuse is quite a leap. I’m not going to bite :na na:

[MWHIBBIES]

Shouting at players to child abuse is quite a leap. I’m not going to bite :na na:

If Lennon was indeed bullying Flo then there is alot more to that than shouting at him.

I'm comparing the situations and your ridiculous opinion that employees cant complain. Would you complain at your job if you were being bullied or is that snowflake stuff?

[Speedway]

So the overwhelming consensus is that the players were right in this instance?

Some of you should go back amd read the match day threads from this season. Every one of them is stacked full of fans slating players, some of it is ridiculously hostile.

Now you’re all on the players side with you arms around them offering understanding and comfort?!

You can’t have it both ways.

The slating was for performances delivered.

The support is for treatment received.

Can you not see the difference?

[Bangkok Hibby]

So the overwhelming consensus is that the players were right in this instance?

Some of you should go back amd read the match day threads from this season. Every one of them is stacked full of fans slating players, some of it is ridiculously hostile.

Now you’re all on the players side with you arms around them offering understanding and comfort?!

You can’t have it both ways.

Pretty sure I havent slagged the players this season but feel free to check. What I cant stand though is a manager who resorts to relentless bullying. I think your maybe not grasping just how beaten and broken the players are just now. Good for them for standing together.

[WhileTheChief..]

The slating was for performances delivered.

The support is for treatment received.

Can you not see the difference?

I can.

So far the only mention of bullying has been on here.

It’s pure speculation and a horrible allegation to through about.

[Hibs90]

I can.

So far the only mention of bullying has been on here.

It’s pure speculation and a horrible allegation to through about.

If anyone 'needs to get a grip' its you and your attitude to a very sensitive subject.

[WhileTheChief..]

If Lennon was indeed bullying Flo then there is alot more to that than shouting at him.

I'm comparing the situations and your ridiculous opinion that employees cant complain. Would you complain at your job if you were being bullied or is that snowflake stuff?

These comparison of footballers to our normal working environments are tedious.

I’ve never once, anywhere, said employees can’t complain, you made that up.

[MWHIBBIES]

These comparison of footballers to our normal working environments are tedious.

I’ve never once, anywhere, said employees can’t complain, you made that up.

Are footballers not just normal human beings, with emotions and feelings? Just because they earn a bit more than you or me doesn't change that.

[WhileTheChief..]

If anyone 'needs to get a grip' its you and your attitude to a very sensitive subject.

You’ve lost me?

Who said anything about getting a grip? What’s the sensitive subject?

[WhileTheChief..]

Are footballers not just normal human beings, with emotions and feelings? Just because they earn a bit more than you or me doesn't change that.

Man, you’re making me argue about points I haven’t made!

Yes they are and I never mentioned anything about money.

[gaz1875]

Instead of looking at it from the managers side or the players side, how about the club’s side?

We’re spending bigger money than normal given to us by bigger crowds than normal, to deliver 8th.

The manager keeps criticising the players publically and the board and staff privately.

The saleable assets and club employees have had enough of the manager.

The manager decides whether he wants to show up, do the press or reconsider his position every few months.

Which is the club being held to ransom to the most. Manager? Or players?

That is exactly how I see it. Threatening to leave, saying the signing he makes aren't good enough, refusing to do press conferences when we loose, club has no ambition, and this is all down to Flo KamberI? Yeah sure NL maybe have a look at yourself and see if it could possibly be something you are doing.

[MWHIBBIES]

Man, you’re making me argue about points I haven’t made!

Yes they are and I never mentioned anything about money.Why are you just dismissing accusations of bullying then?

[hibbyfraelibby]

If Lennon was indeed bullying Flo then there is alot more to that than shouting at him.

I'm comparing the situations and your ridiculous opinion that employees cant complain. Would you complain at your job if you were being bullied or is that snowflake stuff?

Bullying in any form is unacceptable. Football is no different. We can all make our own decisions based on the very public record of verbatim comments of a certain employee of Hibernian FC towards another employee of Hibernian FC.

We can also all reflect what we as individuals would do if we witnessed bullying in our workplace, and what our obligations and moral responsibilty would be in such circumstances.

From what has emerged so far, mainly through back channel briefing by one party to his friends in the media, is that colleagues of an employee who seemed to be getting bullied by another employee took their concerns to the allegedly bullying employee's line manager in accordance with the formal internal processes of the company and in the process another employee has also be placed on precautionary suspension to protect them and others from any implication of impropiety whilst the process is on going.

Those who have suffered or witnessed bullying will know that one form of abuse can easily lead to otherd.

If the "facts" emerging reflect what has actually occured then it is clear the club is acting responsibly, exercising its duty of care and that colleagues have had the courage and moral backbone to come forward to raise the issue despite the obvious threat to their own well being and careers.

[BoomtownHibees]

Man, you’re making me argue about points I haven’t made!

Yes they are and I never mentioned anything about money.

You said the players should “grow a set”. Is that what you would expect to be told at your work if you complained of bullying?

[WhileTheChief..]

So bullying has now been confirmed?

Apologies then, I thought that was just rumour on here.

[Hibs90]

That’s a different argument though. I agree with most of what you’ve said here.

But he’s not been suspended for results or tactics.

Apparently he’s been suspended for the way he spoke to Flo and/or other players.

That’s what I disagree with, no matter what was said. It’s words. Players need to ****** grow a set and could have proved him wrong on the pitch.

Instead they ran greeting to LD.


You’ve lost me?

Who said anything about getting a grip? What’s the sensitive subject?


See your quote above.

"Need to ****ing grow a set"
"ran greeting to LD"

How would you feel if your boss constantly had a go at you?

[WhileTheChief..]

See your quote above.

"Need to ****ing grow a set"
"ran greeting to LD"

How would you feel if your boss constantly had a go at you?

See above, apologies, again.

I did work somewhere with an arse of a boss who constantly had a go. I left.

[madhatter]

Man, you’re making me argue about points I haven’t made!

Yes they are and I never mentioned anything about money.

You said the players need to grow a set did you not?

Really don’t understand supporting the manager in this case, we’ve seen him berate a single player more than others, we’ve seen him select his favourite players over others, we’ve seen him threaten to leave the club (in a manner suggesting he’s doing us all a favour by being around even though he is paid). The picture I’m getting from Lennon is almost a superiority complex where he’s not trying to be a positive change factor, instead he is attacking those who don’t have the same mindset or mentality.

We don’t know what has happened but if Gray, Hanlon, Bartley, McGregor and other senior pros were either directly involved with reporting to Dempster or indirectly involved by talking Kamberi round from leaving, my money is on the manager being at fault. Those senior pros have worked under other forceful managers so if they are unhappy now something has clearly happened beyond the norm.

[greenpaper55]

Listened to Packy Bonnar yesterday on the radio who has done a lot of UEFA workshops and he was saying the landscape has changed dramatically out there in recent times. For to long managers and coaches got away with murder the way they treated players but the modern employment laws has changed everything and they apply to footballers as much as anyone else. The only one who rubbished these ideas was Willie Miller who still thinks it's ok to throw things at players and verbally abuse them if they don't pull their weight...surprise surprise.

[WhileTheChief..]

Being a bit devilish for a moment, if we had won 12 of our last 15 games do you think LD would have taken the same decision?

Would you all still be backing the club and the players?

I really hope were not using this as en excuse to get rid.

[James Stephen]

Instead of looking at it from the managers side or the players side, how about the club’s side?

We’re spending bigger money than normal given to us by bigger crowds than normal, to deliver 8th.

The manager keeps criticising the players publically and the board and staff privately.

The saleable assets and club employees have had enough of the manager.

The manager decides whether he wants to show up, do the press or reconsider his position every few months.

Which is the club being held to ransom to the most. Manager? Or players?

This is the best post ive read on the subject, and illustrates the position Hibs are in perfectly.

[ballengeich]

Being a bit devilish for a moment, if we had won 12 of our last 15 games do you think LD would have taken the same decision?

Would you all still be backing the club and the players?

I really hope were not using this as en excuse to get rid.

If we'd won 12 of the last 15 the situation would not have occurred. Whatever actually happened has been a by-product of performance failure.

[Smartie]

TBH I'm yet to hear any factual evidence that sways me one way or the other, so I'm keeping an open mind.

As far as I'm concerned anything might have happened, anyone may be mainly culpable and anyone may be innocent.

WTC is ploughing a lonely furrow here and I disagree with much of what he is saying, however his most recent post did strike a chord with me. Would be here if we were 2 points off the top and had won 14 of our last 15 games? No, we would not.

"I really hope were not using this as en excuse to get rid."

Me neither.

It will all come out in the wash.

[hibbyfraelibby]

So bullying has now been confirmed?

Apologies then, I thought that was just rumour on here.

I would say it is "alleged or suspected" whilst the internal enquiry is on going, but there is sufficient on the record and published evidence from the past months to indicate sufficient grounds to support the contention inappropriate behaviour is at the heart of speculation.

[madhatter]

Being a bit devilish for a moment, if we had won 12 of our last 15 games do you think LD would have taken the same decision?

Would you all still be backing the club and the players?

I really hope were not using this as en excuse to get rid.

Yes, she would, otherwise the club aren’t following the law. Imagine the scandal in the future if the club hadn’t taken action based on employee complaints about another employee’s conduct.

If a player was in the wrong then I would back the manager. Clearly multiple players being in the wrong over our notorious manager is quite unlikely though. As many have stated, this has been coming.

Lennon is not shouting from touchline anymore. Players are not interacting with the management team on the touchline anymore. Players are unhappy, it is clear to see.

[jacomo]

So the overwhelming consensus is that the players were right in this instance?

Some of you should go back amd read the match day threads from this season. Every one of them is stacked full of fans slating players, some of it is ridiculously hostile.

Now you’re all on the players side with you arms around them offering understanding and comfort?!

You can’t have it both ways.


You’re having a shocker on here this weekend, you really are.

Look through my posts and you will see consistent, unwavering support for Lennon. Doesn’t mean I was not alarmed in recent months and see there has clearly been a complete breakdown in his relationship with the players.

There is no need to berate fellow fans and be so argumentative about it.

[bigwheel]

Yes, she would, otherwise the club aren’t following the law. Imagine the scandal in the future if the club hadn’t taken action based on employee complaints about another employee’s conduct.

If a player was in the wrong then I would back the manager. Clearly multiple players being in the wrong over our notorious manager is quite unlikely though. As many have stated, this has been coming.

Lennon is not shouting from touchline anymore. Players are not interacting with the management team on the touchline anymore. Players are unhappy, it is clear to see.

Really? I bet there have been flash points and occasional fisticuffs at training and in dressing rooms a number of times this season and before ...

Whilst employment law covers football, there are different standards common place ...if LD hadn’t wanted Lennon to go , she would have handled it differently imo... not suggesting she is wrong , but am suggesting she has taken the opportunity that presented itself to move towards his exit

[WhileTheChief..]

Ach, you may all be right.

I’m still gutted though. It’s been the best few years I’ve experienced as a Hibs fan and I loved having him as manager.

I’m not just talking about results. I like how he raised the profile of our club. I loved listening to him talking football and usually agreed with the way he called things.

But what I liked the most was when when he arrived and talked about the boy band thing.

I 100% agreed with him then amd still do now. I think he helped us grow up as a club. The media took us more seriously for example.

My worry from this episode is that we have somehow slipped right back into that. Ok I maybe shouldn’t use phrases like namby pamby, running greeting or whatever, but that’s pretty tame stuff really.

I’m not into the whole community club, family friendly thing. I want us to try and be an elite professional football club and I think that’s what Lennon was all about.

I don't feel feel at all optimistic about the immediate future and unless LD pulls a rabbit out the hat we will start to go backwards, starting with ST sales shortly.

[madhatter]

Really? I bet there have been flash points and occasional fisticuffs at training and in dressing rooms a number of times this season and before ...

Whilst employment law covers football, there are different standards common place ...if LD hadn’t wanted Lennon to go , she would have handled it differently imo... not suggesting she is wrong , but am suggesting she has taken the opportunity that presented itself to move towards his exit

You are comparing it in isolation though. If we had won 12 out of 15, moral would be high and the number of “fisticuffs” events would be low. We are talking about a team with low moral, a lone striker that is having a barren run and we are talking about routine confidence bashing/berating (as rumours go and public interviews suggest). Why would our striker be getting constant non-stop criticism when we’ve won 12 out of 15? Honestly this is hypothetical and so many factors just wouldn’t be the same.

Abuse escalates, it is very unlikely a single occurrence. It is the prevalence of the abuse that causes different types of abuse. Did the manager think Kamberi wasn’t reacting to one type of abuse so tried a different one this time? We don’t know. Fact is if it is abuse then Leeann would do the same regardless of any hypothetical scenario, she has a duty of care.

[WhileTheChief..]

You’re having a shocker on here this weekend, you really are.

There is no need to berate fellow fans and be so argumentative about it.

Well, I’m shocked by the events, so, you know, emotions and that.

And ive apologised twice on this thread already. That’s enough :na na:

[flash]

Ach, you may all be right.

I’m still gutted though. It’s been the best few years I’ve experienced as a Hibs fan and I loved having him as manager.

I’m not just talking about results. I like how he raised the profile of our club. I loved listening to him talking football and usually agreed with the way he called things.

But what I liked the most was when when he arrived and talked about the boy band thing.

I 100% agreed with him then amd still do now. I think he helped us grow up as a club. The media took us more seriously for example.

My worry from this episode is that we have somehow slipped right back into that. Ok I maybe shouldn’t use phrases like namby pamby, running greeting or whatever, but that’s pretty tame stuff really.

I’m not into the whole community club, family friendly thing. I want us to try and be an elite professional football club and I think that’s what Lennon was all about.

I don't feel feel at all optimistic about the immediate future and unless LD pulls a rabbit out the hat we will start to go backwards, starting with ST sales shortly.
Whilst I don't agree with a lot of this post there's nothing wrong with fighting your corner against the majority viewpoint.
It also takes a bit of character to admit some of the stuff you said previously was maybe not the right way to get your point across.
Hope this doesn't sound patronising as it is genuine on my part.

[WhileTheChief..]

^See, you’re throwing the word abuse around now?

Abuse and bullying. This is pretty strong stuff.

Has as anyone actually said that that is what has happened? I’ve maybe missed it online or in the papers but so far there is no suggestion of that.

Crossed the line? Maybe, probably. But abuse and bullying??

[bigwheel]

You are comparing it in isolation though. If we had won 12 out of 15, moral would be high and the number of “fisticuffs” events would be low. We are talking about a team with low moral, a lone striker that is having a barren run and we are talking about routine confidence bashing/berating (as rumours go and public interviews suggest). Why would our striker be getting constant non-stop criticism when we’ve won 12 out of 15? Honestly this is hypothetical and so many factors just wouldn’t be the same.

Abuse escalates, it is very unlikely a single occurrence. It is the prevalence of the abuse that causes different types of abuse. Did the manager think Kamberi wasn’t reacting to one type of abuse so tried a different one this time? We don’t know. Fact is if it is abuse then Leeann would do the same regardless of any hypothetical scenario, she has a duty of care.

Those are fair points - you are right to suggest the likelihood of it happening after a winning running is much less

That said, I still stand by my view that LD would not be exiting Lennon if we were flying ..

She does have a duty of care - but arguments and sometimes physicality happens (rightly or wrongly ) in football environments- so let’s not suggest this is all about great employer process here. They obviously want to exit him and they are taking this opportunity. Not saying it’s the wrong call, just recognising what it is .

[madhatter]

Ach, you may all be right.

I’m still gutted though. It’s been the best few years I’ve experienced as a Hibs fan and I loved having him as manager.

I’m not just talking about results. I like how he raised the profile of our club. I loved listening to him talking football and usually agreed with the way he called things.

But what I liked the most was when when he arrived and talked about the boy band thing.

I 100% agreed with him then amd still do now. I think he helped us grow up as a club. The media took us more seriously for example.

My worry from this episode is that we have somehow slipped right back into that. Ok I maybe shouldn’t use phrases like namby pamby, running greeting or whatever, but that’s pretty tame stuff really.

I’m not into the whole community club, family friendly thing. I want us to try and be an elite professional football club and I think that’s what Lennon was all about.

I don't feel feel at all optimistic about the immediate future and unless LD pulls a rabbit out the hat we will start to go backwards, starting with ST sales shortly.

Totally understand you wanting the club to have a winning mentality but management to achieve that doesn’t mean slagging the players constantly.

Players and people aren’t the same as they used to be. Do you think Messi and Neymar respond to verbals? I don’t know them but I doubt it. I remember the phrases, “they are playing for the manager” and “the gaffer asked us to get the win no matter what and we’ve done it”. That’s part of having a winning mentality, doing anything they can for their teammates and their manager. If they don’t like the manager anymore then that’s gone.

It is sad, there were good things that happened over the past 2 year. We’ll find out what’s to happen shortly I guess. Hope we are quick about it though, we need direction.

[madhatter]

^See, you’re throwing the word abuse around now?

Abuse and bullying. This is pretty strong stuff.

Has as anyone actually said that that is what has happened? I’ve maybe missed it online or in the papers but so far there is no suggestion of that.

Crossed the line? Maybe, probably. But abuse and bullying??

What leads to “fisticuffs” then if it isn’t verbal abuse? People have been stating arguments and physical confrontation are commonplace in a football club, surely verbal abuse is the source of that? Forceful criticism of Kamberi’s performance in front of his peers would be classed as abuse. Maybe that didn’t happen, I don’t know but I know verbal abuse is commonplace especially in a struggling football team.

Routine targeted verbal abuse from a person in a superior position would then be classified as bullying as far as I’m concerned.

Maybe nothing has happened in this regard but Lennon, like any manager, has definitely thrown verbals at our players. Both sides of the argument suggest he has. The only difference is the wording used to describe it. One is winning mentality and the players need to be stronger, the other is he has overstepped a mark with the verbals.

[jacomo]

Ach, you may all be right.

I’m still gutted though. It’s been the best few years I’ve experienced as a Hibs fan and I loved having him as manager.

I’m not just talking about results. I like how he raised the profile of our club. I loved listening to him talking football and usually agreed with the way he called things.

But what I liked the most was when when he arrived and talked about the boy band thing.

I 100% agreed with him then amd still do now. I think he helped us grow up as a club. The media took us more seriously for example.

My worry from this episode is that we have somehow slipped right back into that. Ok I maybe shouldn’t use phrases like namby pamby, running greeting or whatever, but that’s pretty tame stuff really.

I’m not into the whole community club, family friendly thing. I want us to try and be an elite professional football club and I think that’s what Lennon was all about.

I don't feel feel at all optimistic about the immediate future and unless LD pulls a rabbit out the hat we will start to go backwards, starting with ST sales shortly.


Don’t disagree with any of this.

But Lennon wasn’t able to cut out those occasional listless performances from Hibs, so arguably his chat about the ‘boy band’ mentality was a bit empty.

I am also gutted at the way things have panned out. Big problems for the club to fix.

[jacomo]

Well, I’m shocked by the events, so, you know, emotions and that.

And ive apologised twice on this thread already. That’s enough :na na:


:aok:

[WhileTheChief..]

I’ll bow out and leave you guys in peace but if “verbals” get eliminated from sports then the games up!

From the playground upwards, verbals have always been part of it.

Soon we’ll be eliminating competition from sports. Everyone’s equal. We’re all winners.

[Crab apple]

Stevie Mallan in today’s Sunday Times talking about Lennon. Presumably before the events of Friday. Sorry can’t post the link.

“He’s a straight talker. He’ll tell you as it is. If you’re not doing well, he’ll tell you, and if you are, he’ll praise you to the heavens. That’s what you want - a manager who’s not going to beat about the bush and will let you know. If you’re not helping the team, you will probably be out of the team.”

[Chorley Hibee]

Stevie Mallan in today’s Sunday Times talking about Lennon. Presumably before the events of Friday. Sorry can’t post the link.

“He’s a straight talker. He’ll tell you as it is. If you’re not doing well, he’ll tell you, and if you are, he’ll praise you to the heavens. That’s what you want - a manager who’s not going to beat about the bush and will let you know. If you’re not helping the team, you will probably be out of the team.”

Mallan hasn't been helping the team one iota yet retains his place every week.

[Smartie]

Stevie Mallan in today’s Sunday Times talking about Lennon. Presumably before the events of Friday. Sorry can’t post the link.

“He’s a straight talker. He’ll tell you as it is. If you’re not doing well, he’ll tell you, and if you are, he’ll praise you to the heavens. That’s what you want - a manager who’s not going to beat about the bush and will let you know. If you’re not helping the team, you will probably be out of the team.”

I don't know what would give Stevie Mallan that impression.

[Radium]

League table after we beat Hamilton 6-0 and St Johnstone shipped 6 to Celtic

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Late injury to Gray means we start with 3 at the back at Celtic. Week later we draw a bitter derby and NL is subjected to graffiti and coin throwing.

Wheels continue to come off and the mantra becomes about the players and in particular Flo.

Win against Celtic at the start of December but the month ends with defeat at home.

Off to Dubai and Gray makes an appearance. Gauld on loan. Allan on precontract and usual transfer rumours. Fairly straightforward win against Elgin and things are looking alright.

Bizarre lineup against Motherwell and a fairly limp performance.

Throughout this period Tommy Wright has taken StJ from 9 points behind to 8 points in front. (with 4 players we deemed not to be good enough)

What’s the point, our coaches have not got enough out of the squad (acknowledging injuries etc) whilst Wright has left us in the dust. Can’t find anything that has Wright calling out players in public. His public comments after the 0-6

"We started nice and bright, but then the game totally flipped. After that we didn't make a tackle until Steven Anderson came on.

"The players need to be braver on the ball, because they are good enough. There were too many cheap turnovers."

Hate to think how our coaches would have dealt with the interview.

I am disappointed that it has not worked out but they are looking like a sunshine coaching team who can’t rebuild (without an endless cheque book)








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[BlackSheep]

I have it on good word that nothing out of the ordinary happened.

Why do you think the coaching staff are backing Lennon? Regardless of loyalties if there was any sort of bullying involved then I’m pretty sure Lennon would have their backing!

[The 90+2]

The situation is fairly simple in one sense, where there has been an accusation of bullying or harassment in the workplace, as responsible employers the club have a duty to investigate these claims and suspended Lennon to allow for investigations to take place. Hence why no comments from the club. Outcomes may be claims unfounded, claims proven and Lennon disciplined or contract terminated either way the club is in a very difficult and sensitive situation and people need to be patient.

Hibs have done nothing wrong here and there seems to be a sense of ach it’s football players need to have thick skin and take the flak which I agree to an extent in any job but there becomes a tipping point where that criticism descends into something more and problems arise.

Totally agree. And it’s not an isolated incident either.

[The 90+2]

I have it on good word that nothing out of the ordinary happened.

Why do you think the coaching staff are backing Lennon? Regardless of loyalties if there was any sort of bullying involved then I’m pretty sure Lennon would have their backing!

Nothing out the ordinary in relation to Lennon being manager perhaps. Parker is always going to back Lennon as would Murray who he brought to the club.

[BoomtownHibees]

Nothing out the ordinary in relation to Lennon being manager perhaps. Parker is always going to back Lennon as would Murray who he brought to the club.

Murray was at Hibs before Lennon came in

[Iain G]

I’ll bow out and leave you guys in peace but if “verbals” get eliminated from sports then the games up!

From the playground upwards, verbals have always been part of it.

Soon we’ll be eliminating competition from sports. Everyone’s equal. We’re all winners.

Just because it's always been there doesn't mean it's right or justifiable! Thankfully the world is changing in a positive way and people cannot act this way in a work environment, regardless if you are a footballer or an office worker people have rights to not be subjected to abuse or victimisation and feel safe in their working environment.

If Lennon has gone beyond what is reasonable then the club have done the right thing as a responsible employer.

[blackpoolhibs]

Will you not? What a poor shame.

Just letting you know i managed to make it through the night, did have a fair bit of alcohol, that could have helped.

[proud_and_green]

Sorry P+ G that was not for you don’t know how I managed that! I was reading all this stuf about NL when I got back from the pub last night and could not believe some of the stuff being written about our manager.

one in particular I took issue with and wrote that post, ha ha seems your post copped the blame but it was for another poster (probably a yam infiltrator).

Thanks HibeeR, no problems, apology accepted. I re-read my post several times and couldn't quite understand it so that makes sense now!

Cheers

[heretoday]

I reckon I could be quite liberating to get shot of NL.

New young manager, different dynamic....

[jacomo]

Surely Leeann will speak about this tomorrow and tell us wtf is going on?

Understandable and correct that the St Mirren match took priority, but now us Hibs supporters deserve some information l.

I am assuming that Lennon is finished.

[ScottB]

Surely Leeann will speak about this tomorrow and tell us wtf is going on?

Understandable and correct that the St Mirren match took priority, but now us Hibs supporters deserve some information l.

I am assuming that Lennon is finished.

Until any internal disciplinary process is complete, I can’t think she’ll be able to say much.

[Billy Whizz]

Until any internal disciplinary process is complete, I can’t think she’ll be able to say much.

I’ll presuming they’ll be meeting up soon, for both sides sake

[jacomo]

Until any internal disciplinary process is complete, I can’t think she’ll be able to say much.


Well you say what you can.

Big test for the club, this. Going back to the old ways of zero communication isn’t really on.

[ScottB]

Well you say what you can.

Big test for the club, this. Going back to the old ways of zero communication isn’t really on.

I don’t suspect the club are sat thinking ‘let’s tell the fans as little as possible, good stuff!’

At this point, the lawyers might be advising them to say nothing, even saying Neil was suspended, if the process determines he shouldn’t have been, could cause problems, for instance.

I’m assuming what’s made it into the media has been leaked from Neil’s side or even players, but any official statement the club makes about this process will have lawyers crawling all over it. Frustrating for us, of course, but better a few days of that than the club being open to being sued by Lennon later etc.

[Heisenberg]

https://bit.ly/2G1MZ5Q

Gray downplaying any bust up in the team meeting as “nothing out of the ordinary”, which is what I’d expect him to say. Don’t see Lennon coming back so hopefully it gets resolved ASAP.

[madhatter]

https://bit.ly/2G1MZ5Q

Gray downplaying any bust up in the team meeting as “nothing out of the ordinary”, which is what I’d expect him to say. Don’t see Lennon coming back so hopefully it gets resolved ASAP.

Hope so. I have a feeling it’ll be confirmed in the next couple of days. I also have a feeling we’ll see Strachan on a short term deal until the summer.

[JeMeSouviens]

Until any internal disciplinary process is complete, I can’t think she’ll be able to say much.

Once it’s complete there’ll almost certainly be a settlement with confidentiality on both sides. If the full story ever comes out it won’t be soon.

[JeMeSouviens]

https://bit.ly/2G1MZ5Q

Gray downplaying any bust up in the team meeting as “nothing out of the ordinary”, which is what I’d expect him to say. Don’t see Lennon coming back so hopefully it gets resolved ASAP.

Think someone on the radio mentioned an altercation with club officials, so the team meeting may only have been the start of it.

[The 90+2]

Once it’s complete there’ll almost certainly be a settlement with confidentiality on both sides. If the full story ever comes out it won’t be soon.

What happens when we are interviewing new guys and they ask what happened? Not being able to say or communicate strains new management already.

[Hibeesmad]

I think Lennon being unhappy with the board for not bringing in the targets he would like may have something to do with it. Maybe something has been said which has caused an argument.

[Paisley Hibby]

Instead of looking at it from the managers side or the players side, how about the club’s side?

We’re spending bigger money than normal given to us by bigger crowds than normal, to deliver 8th.

The manager keeps criticising the players publically and the board and staff privately.

The saleable assets and club employees have had enough of the manager.

The manager decides whether he wants to show up, do the press or reconsider his position every few months.

Which is the club being held to ransom to the most. Manager? Or players?

Best post on this thread.

[Coco Bryce]

Believe me. The players (youth & seniors) and all coaching staff have been well warned to say nothing about Fridays car crash. My mates laddie won't even tell his auld man what happened.

[The Leith Dutch]

What happens when we are interviewing new guys and they ask what happened? Not being able to say or communicate strains new management already.

I'd imagine the new guys would expect to be getting interviewed by a professional organisation.
You know, the kind that didn't share private information about previous employees.

[Sir David Gray]

What happens when we are interviewing new guys and they ask what happened? Not being able to say or communicate strains new management already.

I highly doubt that anyone who is applying for the manager's job is going to ask Leeann Dempster what happened with Lennon during their interview.

That would just be a nonsense.

[Tornadoes70]

I highly doubt that anyone who is applying for the manager's job is going to ask Leeann Dempster what happened with Lennon during their interview.

That would just be a nonsense.

:greengrin

''I'm no gonna be manager unless you tell me what happened between yirselves and Lennon!''

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[WhileTheChief..]

So all the bullying chat now confirmed as mince.

Or do we not believe SDG?

Or do we not believe it cause it’s in a paper?!

[Ozyhibby]

So all the bullying chat now confirmed as mince.

Or do we not believe SDG?

Or do we not believe it cause it’s in a paper?!

Or we could just wait and see. He’s gone now though.


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[Michael]

You've got to read between the lines.

[Johnny Clash]

You've got to read between the lines.

‘So our captain says he was shocked to hear of Neil Lennons ban and he then stated the relationship between the players and the gaffer have not changed! What’s there to read between the lines ?

Previously there’s been a load of posters proclaiming David led the charge to the board demanding Lenny’s head on a spike. I’ve lost count the number of comments assuming that line was true. It clearly is a load of p*sh. A hibs player of great stature has given honest quotes so that’ll do for me - I don’t need to read between any lines to try distort the truth

[The 90+2]

‘So our captain says he was shocked to hear of Neil Lennons ban and he then stated the relationship between the players and the gaffer have not changed! What’s there to read between the lines ?

Previously there’s been a load of posters proclaiming David led the charge to the board demanding Lenny’s head on a spike. I’ve lost count the number of comments assuming that line was true. It clearly is a load of p*sh. A hibs player of great stature has given honest quotes so that’ll do for me - I don’t need to read between any lines to try distort the truth

He never once said he was shocked.

[Johnny Clash]

He never once said he was shocked.

I appreciate SDG’s comments must make difficult reading for you mate but he clearly says he and the hibs players were shocked to learn of Lenny’s suspension!.

[The 90+2]

I appreciate SDG’s comments must make difficult reading for you mate but he clearly says he and the hibs players were shocked to learn of Lenny’s suspension!.

Doesn’t at all. He says there’s always a bit shock when a manager is punted or a meeting saying the managers gone. Of course there is. You think it’s the first time the players have had arguments with Lennon before just moving on and nothing happens?

You can’t seriously suggest he’s been suspended for nothing to do with a altercation with the players? Especially when pundits close to Lennon have used it to slate the likes of Flo.

Sir Dave was probably more shocked to be recalled to the first team overall. Let’s hope a new contract is now being prepared for our legend.

[cabbageandribs1875]

What happens when we are interviewing new guys and they ask what happened? Not being able to say or communicate strains new management already.


you serious ?

[Callum_62]

I wonder what happened in Dempsters office

[Johnny Clash]

Doesn’t at all. He says there’s always a bit shock when a manager is punted or a meeting saying the managers gone. Of course there is. You think it’s the first time the players have had arguments with Lennon before just moving on and nothing happens?

You can’t seriously suggest he’s been suspended for nothing to do with a altercation with the players? Especially when pundits close to Lennon have used it to slate the likes of Flo.

Sir Dave was probably more shocked to be recalled to the first team overall. Let’s hope a new contract is now being prepared for our legend.

Nonsense. People sticking the boot into Lenny were absolutely acting on bull****t stories about a players revolt led by SDG after some horrendous blood bath of a meeting involving the players, Lenny and LD. Our Captain has now just exploded that myth . If you can bare to read the full article, SDG says he and the players were SHOCKED because the meeting had been nothing out the ordinary and that the players had the same relationship with Lenny as they always had.

[Smartie]

Nonsense. People sticking the boot into Lenny were absolutely acting on bull****t stories about a players revolt led by SDG after some horrendous blood bath of a meeting involving the players, Lenny and LD. Our Captain has now just exploded that myth . If you can bare to read the full article, SDG says he and the players were SHOCKED because the meeting had been nothing out the ordinary and that the players had the same relationship with Lenny as they always had.

The club have tightened and closed ranks.

David Gray is going with the party line, that the players were shocked and the meeting had been fairly normal. Hibs need to play if that they had no prior intention of sacking the manager so they can put it all down to a subsequent "incident of gross misconduct" and punt him without paying any compo.

IMO.

Hibs are good at this stuff. Not very nice, but good.

This would be a good outcome for us as fans, as Lennon will be able to openly tell his side of the story as well as us having a few quid extra for players.

[The 90+2]

you serious ?

Yes. “So Ms Dempster I’ve heard lots of stories about you not backing Lennon in terms of players signed or in terms of his management, why do I want to come to an environment like such?”

Sorry, I can’t possibly say..

[The 90+2]

Nonsense. People sticking the boot into Lenny were absolutely acting on bull****t stories about a players revolt led by SDG after some horrendous blood bath of a meeting involving the players, Lenny and LD. Our Captain has now just exploded that myth . If you can bare to read the full article, SDG says he and the players were SHOCKED because the meeting had been nothing out the ordinary and that the players had the same relationship with Lenny as they always had.

You can believe all you want the players wouldn’t have had any clue the HC eventually left and nothing was wrong. Bash on.

[Tornadoes70]

Yes. “So Ms Dempster I’ve heard lots of stories about you not backing Lennon in terms of players signed or in terms of his management, why do I want to come to an environment like such?”

Sorry, I can’t possibly say..

Serious candidates for highly paid managerial positions will have already carried out due diligence and will certainly seek assurances regarding available transfer budgets etc but only an idiot would ask the questions you're alleging might be asked.

Behave.

[FitbaFolkKen]

I wonder what happened in Dempsters office

Carnage! Spilt red wine, couple of bags of sweeties, mentions of goalkeeping school, ripped up Whittakers contract, chucked some chairs about and had a wrestle with Cumdog then jumped a taxi to George Street. Dodged the fare and ran off, had a rammy with a punter but the coppers caught them and they are claiming mistaken identity.

Just the usual.....

[HoboHarry]

Carnage! Spilt red wine, couple of bags of sweeties, mentions of goalkeeping school, ripped up Whittakers contract, chucked some chairs about and had a wrestle with Cumdog then jumped a taxi to George Street. Dodged the fare and ran off, had a rammy with a punter but the coppers caught them and they are claiming mistaken identity (even though they couldnae spell their mistaken identity name).

Just the usual.....
Fixed that for you.....

[DR1875]

I must admit, this has been far more entertaining than any football we have seen this season. Good old Hibees! In over 40 years it's never stopped being entertaining!

[FitbaFolkKen]

Fixed that for you.....

Haha I forgot that part!

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It's called playing with a straight bat. SDG would have given that interview with the full knowledge of the club.

[JimBHibees]

It's called playing with a straight bat. SDG would have given that interview with the full knowledge of the club.

Yes they will have agreed the club kine knowing they would be asked about it especially given it was a tv game. As you say playing a straight bat and rightly so.

[MWHIBBIES]

Is 2 wins in 14 not grounds for suspension?

[B.H.F.C]

Nonsense. People sticking the boot into Lenny were absolutely acting on bull****t stories about a players revolt led by SDG after some horrendous blood bath of a meeting involving the players, Lenny and LD. Our Captain has now just exploded that myth . If you can bare to read the full article, SDG says he and the players were SHOCKED because the meeting had been nothing out the ordinary and that the players had the same relationship with Lenny as they always had.

You don’t actually believe that David Gray, club captain, only found out about this on Sky Sports?

He was hardly going to say anything else was he?

[DetroitHibs]

It's called playing with a straight bat. SDG would have given that interview with the full knowledge of the club.

So is SDG telling the truth or lying :confused:

[Peevemor]

You don’t actually believe that David Gray, club captain, only found out about this on Sky Sports?

He was hardly going to say anything else was he?

Even Tam McManus seemed to know before the story went public.

[CentreLine]

So is SDG telling the truth or lying :confused:

I just feel it is not in the best interests of any player to be associated with a “revolt” against a manager. It may be a short career but the same people can pop up in different places. Similarly, any potential later move might be affected if a new employer thought you might tell tales out of school. Least said soonest mended

[DetroitHibs]

I just feel it is not in the best interests of any player to be associated with a “revolt” against a manager. It may be a short career but the same people can pop up in different places. Similarly, any potential later move might be affected if a new employer thought you might tell tales out of school. Least said soonest mended

Personally I think he's telling the truth. He could easily have said no comment, or I'm under instructions from the club not to discuss that matter. He didn't have to come out and say what he did. So by the reckoning, he's either telling the truth, or the club have put him up to making up that story.

[Coco Bryce]

The club have tightened and closed ranks.

David Gray is going with the party line, that the players were shocked and the meeting had been fairly normal. Hibs need to play if that they had no prior intention of sacking the manager so they can put it all down to a subsequent "incident of gross misconduct" and punt him without paying any compo.

IMO.

Hibs are good at this stuff. Not very nice, but good.

This would be a good outcome for us as fans, as Lennon will be able to openly tell his side of the story as well as us having a few quid extra for players.

This 100%

EVERYONE at the club has been told to keep quiet about friday's exploits.

[SonOfDavidFrancey]

SDG will be a manager some day soon.

Jackshun meanwhile writing jacksh*t in rhe record. No need to read it. Summary: He brings it on himself but maybe he doesn’t. Hibs were maybe right or maybe wrong.

Scottish football journalism at its best. Sources are on lockdown so they just make it up.

Meanwhile we can expect more from Commons and co.

[calumhibee1]

SDG will be a manager some day soon.

Jackshun meanwhile writing jacksh*t in rhe record. No need to read it. Summary: He brings it on himself but maybe he doesn’t. Hibs were maybe right or maybe wrong.

Scottish football journalism at its best. Sources are on lockdown so they just make it up.

Meanwhile we can expect more from Commons and co.

And also according to KJ, this could be the end of Lennons career. And so Hibs should be ashamed of themselves... not Lennon. Logic.

[Heisenberg]

And also according to KJ, this could be the end of Lennons career. And so Hibs should be ashamed of themselves... not Lennon. Logic.

I liked the bit in his article where he was trying to aim a wee threat at Hibs by saying Lennon was speaking with the sharpest legal people money can buy over the weekend.

Lennon/his agent have obviously gone into overdrive since Friday. It’s been particularly noticeable in the Daily Record.

[calumhibee1]

I liked the bit in his article where he was trying to aim a wee threat at Hibs by saying Lennon was speaking with the sharpest legal people money can buy over the weekend.

Lennon/his agent have obviously gone into overdrive since Friday. It’s been particularly noticeable in the Daily Record.

:agree:

For a guy who openly admits he doesn’t know a lot he seems to be making out like he knows everything.

[B.H.F.C]

I liked the bit in his article where he was trying to aim a wee threat at Hibs by saying Lennon was speaking with the sharpest legal people money can buy over the weekend.

Lennon/his agent have obviously gone into overdrive since Friday. It’s been particularly noticeable in the Daily Record.

That article is laughable and that clown should never be allowed to set foot in ER again.

[One Day Soon]

It is extremely unlikely that David Gray's interview was part of a co-ordinated club plan to create and maintain some story about what happened. Apart from anything else the first rule of news management is that you either state nothing so that things cannot be misinterpreted or alternatively you issue a statement so that only the words you wish to say are made available.

This is far more likely to be what it is, Gray saying what he saw. It doesn't fit some folk's agenda so it has to be trashed - with the implication being that the club captain is lying, by proxy, to the fans.

As in other contexts it is perfectly possible that two things have happened at the same time. The first being that the circumstances Gray narrates were exactly as described and the second being that a separate incident has taken place, perhaps between Dempster and Lennon, from which the suspension has arisen.

The Hibernian version of Lennon has been no saint and his record has not been one of unalloyed glory, but equally he has not been a dud and he has had his achievements. The unsavoury attempt to rewrite history by some who clearly detest him personally is just ludicrous.

[Johnny Clash]

It is extremely unlikely that David Gray's interview was part of a co-ordinated club plan to create and maintain some story about what happened. Apart from anything else the first rule of news management is that you either state nothing so that things cannot be misinterpreted or alternatively you issue a statement so that only the words you wish to say are made available.

This is far more likely to be what it is, Gray saying what he saw. It doesn't fit some folk's agenda so it has to be trashed - with the implication being that the club captain is lying, by proxy, to the fans.

As in other contexts it is perfectly possible that two things have happened at the same time. The first being that the circumstances Gray narrates were exactly as described and the second being that a separate incident has taken place, perhaps between Dempster and Lennon, from which the suspension has arisen.

The Hibernian version of Lennon has been no saint and his record has not been one of unalloyed glory, but equally he has not been a dud and he has had his achievements. The unsavoury attempt to rewrite history by some who clearly detest him personally is just ludicrous.

Excellent post. SDG’s comments are the only factual reports to come out thus far and his statement of the FACTs have ripped right through all the bile that’s been trotted out by folk who know absolutely zilch about what happened. Even when SDG gives a very clear statement some start scrambling about to tarnish his words. F****** zoomers!

[California-Hibs]

Highest league points total in our 144 year history.

Longest unbeaten home run in our 144 year history.

Competing for 2nd right up till the last day of the season.

Our best mini European run in years.

Unbeaten at Ibrox in his tenure.

........ id be delighted if it could be fixed.
Massive loss.

[DetroitHibs]

Absolutely mind boggling how people can still take the side of the board, whom have basically released nothing of what happened, over SDG. Even Eddie May doesn't want the job and by all accounts the back room staff are all behind Neil. Either the club captain is telling the truth, or he's lying to save face for the club. SDG doesn't come across as a liar or someone who would do that.

[B.H.F.C]

Absolutely mind boggling how people can still take the side of the board, whom have basically released nothing of what happened, over SDG. Even Eddie May doesn't want the job and by all accounts the back room staff are all behind Neil. Either the club captain is telling the truth, or he's lying to save face for the club. SDG doesn't come across as a liar or someone who would do that.

How could anybody possibly ‘take a side’ when they have no idea what has happened? And when there is a disaplinary process ongoing why would you expect the board to say anything? Maybe could have released a generic statement that he has been suspended pending investigation at a push.

Eddie May not wanting the job is hardly a surprise. He’s got a senior position at the club and is on record as saying he doesn’t want to manage again.

[Smartie]

I don't really see the SDG vs the board bit here?

If anything I think they are 100% aligned with each other.

It would be in the best interests of both parties to either come up with a story and stick to it or to stay silent.

SDG's version of events is far from unbelievable so I don't think anyone is accusing him of lying.

The only truth we know at this stage is that none of us have a clue what went on, and can only speculate.

[One Day Soon]

Absolutely mind boggling how people can still take the side of the board, whom have basically released nothing of what happened, over SDG. Even Eddie May doesn't want the job and by all accounts the back room staff are all behind Neil. Either the club captain is telling the truth, or he's lying to save face for the club. SDG doesn't come across as a liar or someone who would do that.

There's one thing for sure whatever the truth of what's happened, David Gray isn't ever going to be anyone's stooge.

[B.H.F.C]

It is extremely unlikely that David Gray's interview was part of a co-ordinated club plan to create and maintain some story about what happened. Apart from anything else the first rule of news management is that you either state nothing so that things cannot be misinterpreted or alternatively you issue a statement so that only the words you wish to say are made available.

This is far more likely to be what it is, Gray saying what he saw. It doesn't fit some folk's agenda so it has to be trashed - with the implication being that the club captain is lying, by proxy, to the fans.

As in other contexts it is perfectly possible that two things have happened at the same time. The first being that the circumstances Gray narrates were exactly as described and the second being that a separate incident has taken place, perhaps between Dempster and Lennon, from which the suspension has arisen.

The Hibernian version of Lennon has been no saint and his record has not been one of unalloyed glory, but equally he has not been a dud and he has had his achievements. The unsavoury attempt to rewrite history by some who clearly detest him personally is just ludicrous.

I agree with your last paragraph. Certain people are happy to forget or play down the achievements of Lennon’s first two seasons to suit themselves.

As for the bit about Gray I think he was merely being diplomatic in that interview and it’s no surprise that the captain was the one sent out to do the press in the circumstances. When Tam McManus was alluding to it on Twitter earlier on Friday evening i really doubt David Gray only found out about it on Sky at 10 o’clock.

[SHODAN]

I'll only believe Gray if he comes out and says "What happens in the dressing room stays in the dressing room" 236826260 times.

[One Day Soon]

I don't really see the SDG vs the board bit here?

If anything I think they are 100% aligned with each other.

It would be in the best interests of both parties to either come up with a story and stick to it or to stay silent.

SDG's version of events is far from unbelievable so I don't think anyone is accusing him of lying.

The only truth we know at this stage is that none of us have a clue what went on, and can only speculate.


The only thing David Gray's comments conflict with is a river of pi5h about what happened which has been pushed by a number of people over the last few days. It doesn't conflict with the Board or LD because they have been sensible enough to say nowt - which I sincerely hope continues.

[Juniper Greens]

Highest league points total in our 144 year history.

Longest unbeaten home run in our 144 year history.

Competing for 2nd right up till the last day of the season.

Our best mini European run in years.

Unbeaten at Ibrox in his tenure.

........ id be delighted if it could be fixed.
Massive loss.

It is a massive loss, based on the results from last season. This season hasn't been good enough.
The points total, adjusting for 3 point wins, we have bettered many times.
Was it our longest unbeaten run at home? If so, superb
Competing for second was great, but he bottled it at tynecastle at the end of that season, which was so disappointing and I just couldn't understand so much about that game.
The asteras results were superb. That was the run though.

We will march on. Noting there is now a ship to steady

[DetroitHibs]

How could anybody possibly ‘take a side’ when they have no idea what has happened? And when there is a disaplinary process ongoing why would you expect the board to say anything? Maybe could have released a generic statement that he has been suspended pending investigation at a push.

Eddie May not wanting the job is hardly a surprise. He’s got a senior position at the club and is on record as saying he doesn’t want to manage again.

So what's all this "playing with a straight bat" pish? Our club captain is either telling the truth as he saw it, or spinning a yarn. As fans we deserve to be clued in as to what's going on. I think some forget that without as fans, the club would cease to exist. WE are the most important thing to the club, just as the club is the most important thing to us. Not players, managers or board members.

[B.H.F.C]

So what's all this "playing with a straight bat" pish? Our club captain is either telling the truth as he saw it, or spinning a yarn. As fans we deserve to be clued in as to what's going on. I think some forget that without as fans, the club would cease to exist. WE are the most important thing to the club, just as the club is the most important thing to us. Not players, managers or board members.

It surprises me that the haven’t released the generic bit about him being suspended. But beyond that, what do you actually expect?

[calumhibee1]

So what's all this "playing with a straight bat" pish? Our club captain is either telling the truth as he saw it, or spinning a yarn. As fans we deserve to be clued in as to what's going on. I think some forget that without as fans, the club would cease to exist. WE are the most important thing to the club, just as the club is the most important thing to us. Not players, managers or board members.

We can’t be clued in. The club simply cannot do that right now. Once it’s all over I’d suspect confidentiality clauses will mean they can’t do it then either.

[we are hibs]

I take it David Gray wasn't one of the "senior players who went to speak to dempster" then? Looking at all the senior players at the club you have:

Whittaker
Gray
McGregor
Hanlon
Stevenson
Bartley


Who are all currently at the club. I can't imagine any of them having anything other than a thick skin so if they've complained about their manager then obviously something has happened that is out of the ordinary.

[wookie70]

So what's all this "playing with a straight bat" pish? Our club captain is either telling the truth as he saw it, or spinning a yarn. As fans we deserve to be clued in as to what's going on. I think some forget that without as fans, the club would cease to exist. WE are the most important thing to the club, just as the club is the most important thing to us. Not players, managers or board members.

He might be saying something to stop being asked and to keep him and the players neutral. Surely we have heard Lennon say one thing and do the other enough times to know that Managers and players just want to get through the press conference without giving anything away.

[DetroitHibs]

It surprises me that the haven’t released the generic bit about him being suspended. But beyond that, what do you actually expect?

They don't need to give details. Maybe say an incident took place between the manager and player, or manager and staff member. Surely someone on the board should have addressed the situation by now and actually given a verbal statement.

[One Day Soon]

They don't need to give details. Maybe say an incident took place between the manager and player, or manager and staff member. Surely someone on the board should have addressed the situation by now and actually given a verbal statement.

For the good of the club I really would not want them to be saying anything. Get a deal done and then move on. Washing linen in public is not good for the players or the club as a whole. It's frustrating for fans but in our longer term best interests I think.

[DetroitHibs]

For the good of the club I really would not want them to be saying anything. Get a deal done and then move on. Washing linen in public is not good for the players or the club as a whole. It's frustrating for fans but in our longer term best interests I think.

I can understand that, I just don't think it's right. We are left to speculate after the facts, there's never a clear indication of what actually took place. To this day we don't know what happened with the Collins situation. Did the players meet with Petrie and get him fired? Did Stokes go tonto with a fire extinguisher.

[Lemonade]

As club captain , Sir David represents the whole club. He's not exactly going to spill the beans during a TV interview the day after the alleged incident just to appease the fans. He cannot say anything that will have an effect on the ongoing investigation .
We , as fans , seem to think we are entitled to know everything about the club but this cannot be the case.
The board know what they are doing and know what processes to follow.

I have no problem if SDG massaged the facts , if he indeed did.
He will have had the clubs interest at heart.

[Ozyhibby]

I can understand that, I just don't think it's right. We are left to speculate after the facts, there's never a clear indication of what actually took place. To this day we don't know what happened with the Collins situation. Did the players meet with Petrie and get him fired? Did Stokes go tonto with a fire extinguisher.

We will never find out because one expense Petrie never holds back on is money for confidentiality clauses. Rod loves secrecy.


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[Peevemor]

We will never find out because one expense Petrie never holds back on is money for confidentiality clauses. Rod loves secrecy.


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Can you name another top flight club in Europe that doesn't? Or just have a dig at the board if you want... :yawn2:

[J-C]

Far too many people getting their knickers in a twist over differing interviews and press reports.

1. There was a heated team meeting, no one really knows what exactly happened during it but it was enough for young Flo to clear his locker and say he was never going to play for Lennon again.
2. Leeann got involved, we don't know exactly who went to see her but Lennon was summoned to her office for talks re meeting with players.
3. The meeting with Leeann and Lennon may have been very heated and certain unsavoury things have been said.
4. Lennon and his assistant have been suspended from their duties.

Now you can bet your bottom dollar that Leeann has told every employee at Hibs to keep quiet and and if asked by the press to say nothing untowards has happened.

You don't get suspended from a high profile job like this if you haven't done something either serious or it's been a culmination of things, if Lennon has been on a final warning then maybe it's been the final straw for Leeann.

Legally Hibs have to be careful with any information coming out of ER, they'll want this to be kept in house and any pay off will more than likely have a secrecy clause written in so Lennon can't go blabbing.

We may never know what actually happened, who said what and what exactly Lennon has been fired for, there's many rumours some right and some wrong, it's best not to get too uptight about all the ins and outs of what happened, something went wrong and Lennon has paid for it with his job, he's a volatile character.

[DetroitHibs]

Can you name another top flight club in Europe that doesn't? Or just have a dig at the board if you want... :yawn2:

Why is it so offensive round these parts to have a dig at the board? I utterly despise Petrie and want him gone, that's just my opinion though.

[SquashedFrogg]

Why is it so offensive round these parts to have a dig at the board? I utterly despise Petrie and want him gone, that's just my opinion though.

Not necessarily an offensive view, more a repetitive theme which becomes quite nauseating after a while.

We get you hate Petrie.

[Smartie]

So what's all this "playing with a straight bat" pish? Our club captain is either telling the truth as he saw it, or spinning a yarn. As fans we deserve to be clued in as to what's going on. I think some forget that without as fans, the club would cease to exist. WE are the most important thing to the club, just as the club is the most important thing to us. Not players, managers or board members.

I don't think we do. It sounds like something Isa from Still Game would say, "fowk deserve tae ken".

What we deserve is for the board, NL and SDG to act in the best interests of the club. If any of them don't do so then a parting of the ways is inevitable.

There is still a lot of mistrust of Petrie amongst our fanbase, I get that. But at times like this we really need to trust the club to do what is right. None of us can have reasonable cause to doubt either LD or SDG who have both been magnificent servants of our club and got most things right during their time with us.

If working in our best interests involves keeping quiet and keeping us in the dark for a bit then we're just going to have to suck that up.

[Dublin07]

Why is it so offensive round these parts to have a dig at the board? I utterly despise Petrie and want him gone, that's just my opinion though.

I don't think it's offensive at all. I think the point is though that the unprofessional behaviour of the head coach over many months has nothing to do with the board. In fact I think up to now they have been very supportive employers.

[FitbaFolkKen]

I take it David Gray wasn't one of the "senior players who went to speak to dempster" then? Looking at all the senior players at the club you have:

Whittaker
Gray
McGregor
Hanlon
Stevenson
Bartley


Who are all currently at the club. I can't imagine any of them having anything other than a thick skin so if they've complained about their manager then obviously something has happened that is out of the ordinary.

Whittaker complained about starting too many games.


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[Johnny Clash]

He might be saying something to stop being asked and to keep him and the players neutral. Surely we have heard Lennon say one thing and do the other enough times to know that Managers and players just want to get through the press conference without giving anything away.

Just wondering why supporters can’t simply accept David Gray is actually telling the truth?

What our club captain has said is clear and easy to understand. He could have opted for ‘no comment’ but he decided it was more honourable to get some of the facts out there to destroy the made up bile that’s been spouted. Just imagine for a second that SDG is telling the truth? ... and he’s hearing/reading all this nonsense of a bloodbath and the players have supposedly turned on Neil Lennon? Standing up and getting the truth out there is a typical SDG thing to do - we’ll done that man!

[Captain Trips]

Far too many people getting their knickers in a twist over differing interviews and press reports.

1. There was a heated team meeting, no one really knows what exactly happened during it but it was enough for young Flo to clear his locker and say he was never going to play for Lennon again.
2. Leeann got involved, we don't know exactly who went to see her but Lennon was summoned to her office for talks re meeting with players.
3. The meeting with Leeann and Lennon may have been very heated and certain unsavoury things have been said.
4. Lennon and his assistant have been suspended from their duties.

Now you can bet your bottom dollar that Leeann has told every employee at Hibs to keep quiet and and if asked by the press to say nothing untowards has happened.

You don't get suspended from a high profile job like this if you haven't done something either serious or it's been a culmination of things, if Lennon has been on a final warning then maybe it's been the final straw for Leeann.

Legally Hibs have to be careful with any information coming out of ER, they'll want this to be kept in house and any pay off will more than likely have a secrecy clause written in so Lennon can't go blabbing.

We may never know what actually happened, who said what and what exactly Lennon has been fired for, there's many rumours some right and some wrong, it's best not to get too uptight about all the ins and outs of what happened, something went wrong and Lennon has paid for it with his job, he's a volatile character.

If point 1 is roughly accurate then I can see why people above NL needed to step in if players are doing that to get to bottom of it and from there it has possibly escalated.

[flash]

Just wondering why supporters can’t simply accept David Gray is actually telling the truth?

What our club captain has said is clear and easy to understand. He could have opted for ‘no comment’ but he decided it was more honourable to get some of the facts out there to destroy the made up bile that’s been spouted. Just imagine for a second that SDG is telling the truth? ... and he’s hearing/reading all this nonsense of a bloodbath and the players have supposedly turned on Neil Lennon? Standing up and getting the truth out there is a typical SDG thing to do - we’ll done that man!
Alternatively the fact that he said the meeting was just line every other one might not have been meant as a good thing.

[LiviHibee]

I suppose, but theres ways of talking politically to stop rumours and not cross the line. Also theres a few ex players tourned journos/pundits who know players and staff and know whats happened, whats to stop them talking?

Listening to Radio Scotland this morning it sounds like matters came to a head when NL and LD met, and the suspension followed from this meeting. Thankfully the sports correspondent was doubtful that WGS will be the next Hibs manager.

[makaveli1875]

I cant believe LD would suspend Lennon for shouting at Kamberi , theres got to be more to it than that . Managers have punched players and kept their jobs .
its all speculation and conspiracy theories just now . The truth will surely come out soon enough .

[MWHIBBIES]

So what's all this "playing with a straight bat" pish? Our club captain is either telling the truth as he saw it, or spinning a yarn. As fans we deserve to be clued in as to what's going on. I think some forget that without as fans, the club would cease to exist. WE are the most important thing to the club, just as the club is the most important thing to us. Not players, managers or board members.
No we don't. I'm a fan of game of thrones, I pay to watch that. Do I deserve to know what's going on with that behind the scenes?

[Coco Bryce]

If point 1 is roughly accurate then I can see why people above NL needed to step in if players are doing that to get to bottom of it and from there it has possibly escalated.

Point 1 was mentioned in the papers on Saturday. Flo emptied his locker as he had had enough and was walking. Senior players talked him out of it seemingly.

I think it's what happened after this in Dempster's office is where the real problem occurred.

[Hibrandenburg]

Our next manager will be walking on egg shells from day one. He won’t know which players he can trust and who will run to LD at the first hint of being upset.

I just cant take the players side here. Lennon was right with his boy band chat on day 1, most of us agreed with him but we’ve gone full circle and apparently want that back again.

I’m absolutely gutted. I thought we’d learnt. I thought we’d toughened up as a club and yet it’s all out the window now.

Back to being nicely nicey with ER being turned into a community centre.

Gutted.

I've been saying similar for years. Our manager's seat in the dugout is an ejector seat and the players know it. They're supposed to be professional footballers with a bit of backbone in them, ER is not a nursery for bairns with special needs. If you can't take a bollocking from the boss then you should be nowhere near the dressing room.

That said, Lennon would appear to be a one trick horse when it comes to motivating players who've lost belief in themselves but he obviously still had belief in Kamberi otherwise he wouldn't have kept selecting him for the team.

There's more to this story than we know but one thing is for sure is that the next manager will have to play clappy clappy handies with some of the team otherwise there'll be dummies thrown out the pram again.

[The Baldmans Comb]

I can understand that, I just don't think it's right. We are left to speculate after the facts, there's never a clear indication of what actually took place. To this day we don't know what happened with the Collins situation. Did the players meet with Petrie and get him fired? Did Stokes go tonto with a fire extinguisher.

The answer is yes and yes.

Numerous players and ex players have talked freely about both incidents.

The meeting between LD and NL was the reason for the suspension and the Kamberi/Team meeting merely the catalyst.

[Peevemor]

The answer is yes and yes.

Numerous players and ex players have talked freely about both incidents.

Except Collins wasn't fired. :confused:

[BSEJVT]

Lennon was from the get go a ticking time bomb,

The board have obviously got fed up with continually trying to defuse that bomb and let it go off and Lennon is now paying the price for his actions.

There is a lengthy rap sheet of discretions to take into consideration, regular and obnoxious drunken behaviour being just part of it.

He was a dead man walking after his Tynecastle outburst last season and it would probably have been better for all concerned if he had left then.

Like the boy that cried wolf once to often he has overplayed his hand and got called out.

[Callum_62]

Lennon was from the get go a ticking time bomb,

The board have obviously got fed up with continually trying to defuse that bomb and let it go off and Lennon is now paying the price for his actions.

There is a lengthy rap sheet of discretions to take into consideration, regular and obnoxious drunken behaviour being just part of it.

If that rap sheet were true im 99.9% certain the press would be all over it



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[ElginHibbie]

I've been saying similar for years. Our manager's seat in the dugout is an ejector seat and the players know it. They're supposed to be professional footballers with a bit of backbone in them, ER is not a nursery for bairns with special needs. If you can't take a bollocking from the boss then you should be nowhere near the dressing room.

That said, Lennon would appear to be a one trick horse when it comes to motivating players who've lost belief in themselves but he obviously still had belief in Kamberi otherwise he wouldn't have kept selecting him for the team.

There's more to this story than we know but one thing is for sure is that the next manager will have to play clappy clappy handies with some of the team otherwise there'll be dummies thrown out the pram again.

No, the next manager will need to realise there is more than one way to motivate and get the best out of the players. You said it yourself, Lennon appears to have one motivating tactic and it has either caused problems and/or stopped working.

There is no issue with bollocking the team, it is needed in a lot of situations, what there is a problem with is doing that to excess even after it hasn't got the desired result. That seems to be the cause of this situation in some form, to me anyway

[The Baldmans Comb]

Except Collins wasn't fired. :confused:

Agreed he resigned and Lennon didn't get fired or resign he was suspended for originally what was thought to be what happened at a "heated" team meeting.

Except this has now been downgraded by the club captain to a "normal" team meeting and he expresses great surprise that anything came of it.

Hence by clever deduction something happened post the team meeting to warrant suspension.

[Coco Bryce]

If that rap sheet were true im 99.9% certain the press would be all over it



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No chance. They all look after each other up here. Especially if your ex-infirm.

[Peevemor]

Agreed he resigned and Lennon didn't get fired or resign he was suspended for originally what was thought to be what happened at a "heated" team meeting.

Except this has now been downgraded by the club captain to a normal team meeting and he expresses great surprise that anything came of it.

Hence by clever deduction something happened post the team meeting to warrant suspension.

It would seem so, probably coupled with previous happenings.

[BSEJVT]

If that rap sheet were true im 99.9% certain the press would be all over it



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It is 100% true

I don't expect anyone to take my word for that but there are plenty folk out there who know it to be so.

[Mac_17]

It would seem so, probably coupled with previous happenings.


Agreed, whatever happened seems to be the straw that broke the camels back.

[scoopyboy]

It is 100% true

I don't expect anyone to take my word for that but there are plenty folk out there who know it to be so.

I believe you.

What I don't get however is what Garry Parker has done wrong to be suspended.

I think Hibs may have built a case for dismissal for Neil Lennon through written warnings and he may just have been on a final written and therefore this was the last straw(this paragraph is guesswork by me).

If Hibs now sack Lennon and Parker they may get away with NL but I'm sure Garry Parker would have a good case for unfair dismissal.

[calumhibee1]

I believe you.

What I don't get however is what Garry Parker has done wrong to be suspended.

I think Hibs may have built a case for dismissal for Neil Lennon through written warnings and he may just have been on a final written and therefore this was the last straw(this paragraph is guesswork by me).

If Hibs now sack Lennon and Parker they may get away with NL but I'm sure Garry Parker would have a good case for unfair dismissal.

The Express indicated Parker was on gardening leave. I’d imagine there’ll be a more traditional parting of the ways with Parker which would include a pay off.

[makaveli1875]

I believe you.

What I don't get however is what Garry Parker has done wrong to be suspended.

I think Hibs may have built a case for dismissal for Neil Lennon through written warnings and he may just have been on a final written and therefore this was the last straw(this paragraph is guesswork by me).

If Hibs now sack Lennon and Parker they may get away with NL but I'm sure Garry Parker would have a good case for unfair dismissal.

Has it been confirmed Parker is suspended , he may have just walked when Lennon got suspended

[scoopyboy]

The Express indicated Parker was on gardening leave. I’d imagine there’ll be a more traditional parting of the ways with Parker which would include a pay off.

That would make sense

[scoopyboy]

Has it been confirmed Parker is suspended , he may have just walked when Lennon got suspended

It hasn't been confirmed by the club that NL is suspended, I think anyway.

[Barney McGrew]

What I don't get however is what Garry Parker has done wrong to be suspended

He’s maybe been asked to take the team in Lennon’s absence and refused :dunno:

[Northernhibee]

No we don't. I'm a fan of game of thrones, I pay to watch that. Do I deserve to know what's going on with that behind the scenes?

You know nothing, MWHIBBIES.

[chippy]

He’s maybe been asked to take the team in Lennon’s absence and refused :dunno:

I think the Hibs board might be in deep on this. Doubt Lennys had any formal warnings. They won’t get away with a simple pay up the contract. Massive reputational damage to Lenny and Parker could cost way more than that. May have been better and possibly cheaper bumping Kamberi and McLaren and getting 2 or 3 more of Lennys targets

[SQHib]

modern football management is about getting the best out of what you have while plotting carefully to improve - well demonstrated at the moment by Steve Clarke and Ollie gunner - both using different techniques and even said “dinasour” Ian McCall who has also found a new modern way - I highly doubt screaming abuse is top of their list of motivators same as I highly doubt any of those three are felling the only way to success is playing clappy clappy handies with the players either - just as at your local bank or office you have to now motivate and develop your team not just berate and cajole - rightly or wrongly that’s the way it is

[sean04]

If he's assualted kamberi then it's gross misconduct. Until any hard facts come out it's all speculation. Has he had warnings? Has he verbally abused dempster? Something bad has happened for him to be suspended and an investigation into the incident

[scoopyboy]

I think the Hibs board might be in deep on this. Doubt Lennys had any formal warnings. They won’t get away with a simple pay up the contract. Massive reputational damage to Lenny and Parker could cost way more than that. May have been better and possibly cheaper bumping Kamberi and McLaren and getting 2 or 3 more of Lennys targets

That's the unknown bit.

[BILLYHIBS]

Lennon was from the get go a ticking time bomb,

The board have obviously got fed up with continually trying to defuse that bomb and let it go off and Lennon is now paying the price for his actions.

There is a lengthy rap sheet of discretions to take into consideration, regular and obnoxious drunken behaviour being just part of it.

He was a dead man walking after his Tynecastle outburst last season and it would probably have been better for all concerned if he had left then.

Like the boy that cried wolf once to often he has overplayed his hand and got called out.

This!

No one knows what happened the sequence of events that led to Lennys suspension and indeed we might never know but this is about as close to the truth of the matter as we are ever likely to get unless one of the protagonists tells us different

The Tynecastle “second place” match appeared to haunt NL once again he picked the wrong team formation and tactics and post match did not seem to appreciate that all we needed was a draw

[jacomo]

I’m expecting a statement from the club today.

Maintaining silence on this issue isn’t credible.

[Barney McGrew]

I’m expecting a statement from the club today.

Maintaining silence on this issue isn’t credible.

It depends when any potential disciplinary is held. I’m fairly sure that an employee needs to be given 48 hours notice before anything is held, which would probably mean there will be some kind of meeting today. If there’s then an appeal that could string it out a bit further.

I’d think it’ll be unlikely we’ll hear anything until the process is finished, unless there’s a leak in the meantime from one of the parties, which is entirely possible.

This all just needs to be over one way or the other though.

[calumhibee1]

I think the Hibs board might be in deep on this. Doubt Lennys had any formal warnings. They won’t get away with a simple pay up the contract. Massive reputational damage to Lenny and Parker could cost way more than that. May have been better and possibly cheaper bumping Kamberi and McLaren and getting 2 or 3 more of Lennys targets

Of course none of us have any knowledge of what went on and what you’ve outlined may well be right. Knowing Hibs though and the fact we are almost cautious to a fault with literally just about everything we do id be very surprised if we’ve jumped into this without being in a very strong position.

[BSEJVT]

I think the Hibs board might be in deep on this. Doubt Lennys had any formal warnings. They won’t get away with a simple pay up the contract. Massive reputational damage to Lenny and Parker could cost way more than that. May have been better and possibly cheaper bumping Kamberi and McLaren and getting 2 or 3 more of Lennys targets

It's staggering to me that folk think the board blundered into this on a whim.

There is no doubt that this was the straw that broke the camel's back , even if the incident itself in isolation may have merited that suspension.

In these days of instant news folk think that because something hasn't been splattered all over the papers it doesn't exist, that is an absolute fallacy.

Since the dawn of time there have been ways of keeping some things quiet and a little bit of quid pro quo and playing the long game soon sorts most things out.

I think folks' dislike of Petrie and their thinking that we should continue to throw money (we don't have) at every situation has convinced them that the board is full of ****ing halfwits.

Nothing could be further from the truth, we have navigated our way through severe troubles effecting both the club and Scottish Football over the last 30 years and emerged in a better place than every club in Scotland bar Celtic.

Allowing your senses to be dimmed by your dislike of something doesn't harm your opponents but can certainly blind you to reality.

[Peevemor]

It's staggering to me that folk think the board blundered into this on a whim.

There is no doubt that this was the straw that broke the camel's back , even if the incident itself in isolation may have merited that suspension.

In these days of instant news folk think that because something hasn't been splattered all over the papers it doesn't exist, that is an absolute fallacy.

Since the dawn of time there have been ways of keeping some things quiet and a little bit of quid pro quo and playing the long game soon sorts most things out.

I think folks' dislike of Petrie and their thinking that we should continue to throw money (we don't have) at every situation has convinced them that the board is full of ****ing halfwits.

Nothing could be further from the truth, we have navigated our way through severe troubles effecting both the club and Scottish Football over the last 30 years and emerged in a better place than every club in Scotland bar Celtic.

Allowing your senses to be dimmed by your dislike of something doesn't harm your opponents but can certainly blind you to reality.

Well said sir.

[GloryGlory]

I’m expecting a statement from the club today.

Maintaining silence on this issue isn’t credible.

Blabbing your point of view all over the press before going through due process isn't responsible or credible and may very well be in breach of employment law.

[MyJo]

The most credible version of events I can piece together from all the rumours and what has been said by players, including Gray, is that the team meeting took place on Friday, Lennon has been tearing into Kamberi to the point that senior players have had to intervene and tell Lennon he was being out of order. Kamberi decides enough is enough and decides he is jacking it in before being talked out of it by his team-mates.

These senior players have brought Lennons behaviour and treatment of Kamberi to Dempster's attention and told her that Flo was ready to walk out on the club because of it and Dempster has called Lennon in to have a word with him.

During this meeting Dempster has told Lennon to sort himself out in one way or another, Lennon hasn't taken kindly to this and has said or done something at this point that is the straw that's broken the camels back in respect of Lennons disciplinary issues and he has been suspended. Dempster has decided she can't work with Lennon any more after what happened in that meeting and the board have felt its better to be rid of Lennon than to have Dempster and the players walk.

Garry Parker declines to take over the team for the weekend in support of Lennon while the other coaching staff don't feel comfortable with taking over when they don't really know why he's been suspended as the trigger has come during a private meeting between him and Dempster.

The board are currently undertaking investigatory meetings regarding the situation and will ultimately make a decision as to Lennon's position. If he is found to have acted in a way that is considered gross misconduct he will be sacked with immediate effect. If the investigatory meetings find that it wasn't gross misconduct then they will have to look at reaching a settlement with Lennon and either paying up his contract or putting him on gardening leave.

[Lemonade]

It's staggering to me that folk think the board blundered into this on a whim.

There is no doubt that this was the straw that broke the camel's back , even if the incident itself in isolation may have merited that suspension.

In these days of instant news folk think that because something hasn't been splattered all over the papers it doesn't exist, that is an absolute fallacy.

Since the dawn of time there have been ways of keeping some things quiet and a little bit of quid pro quo and playing the long game soon sorts most things out.

I think folks' dislike of Petrie and their thinking that we should continue to throw money (we don't have) at every situation has convinced them that the board is full of ****ing halfwits.

Nothing could be further from the truth, we have navigated our way through severe troubles effecting both the club and Scottish Football over the last 30 years and emerged in a better place than every club in Scotland bar Celtic.

Allowing your senses to be dimmed by your dislike of something doesn't harm your opponents but can certainly blind you to reality.


:not worth

[Sioux]

Lennon was from the get go a ticking time bomb,

The board have obviously got fed up with continually trying to defuse that bomb and let it go off and Lennon is now paying the price for his actions.

There is a lengthy rap sheet of discretions to take into consideration, regular and obnoxious drunken behaviour being just part of it.

He was a dead man walking after his Tynecastle outburst last season and it would probably have been better for all concerned if he had left then.

Like the boy that cried wolf once to often he has overplayed his hand and got called out.

You're on dangerous ground with that one.

[Hibs90]

Highest league points total in our 144 year history.

Longest unbeaten home run in our 144 year history.

Competing for 2nd right up till the last day of the season.

Our best mini European run in years.

Unbeaten at Ibrox in his tenure.

........ id be delighted if it could be fixed.
Massive loss.


- 2 wins in 14 games
- slating his players in the press
- some very poor signings
- strange line ups
- strange tactics
- bumming celtic
- strange subs

[Jim44]

The most credible version of events I can piece together from all the rumours and what has been said by players, including Gray, is that the team meeting took place on Friday, Lennon has been tearing into Kamberi to the point that senior players have had to intervene and tell Lennon he was being out of order. Kamberi decides enough is enough and decides he is jacking it in before being talked out of it by his team-mates.

These senior players have brought Lennons behaviour and treatment of Kamberi to Dempster's attention and told her that Flo was ready to walk out on the club because of it and Dempster has called Lennon in to have a word with him.

During this meeting Dempster has told Lennon to sort himself out in one way or another, Lennon hasn't taken kindly to this and has said or done something at this point that is the straw that's broken the camels back in respect of Lennons disciplinary issues and he has been suspended. Dempster has decided she can't work with Lennon any more after what happened in that meeting and the board have felt its better to be rid of Lennon than to have Dempster and the players walk.

Garry Parker declines to take over the team for the weekend in support of Lennon while the other coaching staff don't feel comfortable with taking over when they don't really know why he's been suspended as the trigger has come during a private meeting between him and Dempster.

The board are currently undertaking investigatory meetings regarding the situation and will ultimately make a decision as to Lennon's position. If he is found to have acted in a way that is considered gross misconduct he will be sacked with immediate effect. If the investigatory meetings find that it wasn't gross misconduct then they will have to look at reaching a settlement with Lennon and either paying up his contract or putting him on gardening leave.


I reckon that’s a fair summation of what has probably happened. Lennon may well be guilty of gross misconduct on this recent one off incident, sufficient to dismiss him, but I think that frequent unacceptable misconduct ( if rumours and speculation can be believed ) is equally deserving of dismissal. Either way, I don’t think the club should be hugely out of pocket to ‘ensure cofidentiallity’ and if Hibs’ grounds for dismissal are watertight, I don’t think any subsequent revelations from Lennon would carry much weight or be particularly damaging to Hibs.

[Just Jimmy]

if David Gray told me that today was Thursday and Hibs played in pink I'd believe him.



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It's staggering to me that folk think the board blundered into this on a whim.

There is no doubt that this was the straw that broke the camel's back , even if the incident itself in isolation may have merited that suspension.

In these days of instant news folk think that because something hasn't been splattered all over the papers it doesn't exist, that is an absolute fallacy.

Since the dawn of time there have been ways of keeping some things quiet and a little bit of quid pro quo and playing the long game soon sorts most things out.

I think folks' dislike of Petrie and their thinking that we should continue to throw money (we don't have) at every situation has convinced them that the board is full of ****ing halfwits.

Nothing could be further from the truth, we have navigated our way through severe troubles effecting both the club and Scottish Football over the last 30 years and emerged in a better place than every club in Scotland bar Celtic.

Allowing your senses to be dimmed by your dislike of something doesn't harm your opponents but can certainly blind you to reality.

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