Lennon gone??

[Paisley Hibby]

By history do you mean the one time it happened under Collins? Struggling to think of anything else.

We don't know what's gone on here but pretty much all rumors suggest it wasn't just confrontation with the players but LD. She's his boss and if he's stepped out of line with her then no choice but to take action.

We also as a club seemed to stand by and watch Butcher and Malpas bully their players. Look where that got us.
Exactly! And also, from what I remember, the players who went behind Collins's back were also quickly moved on.

[Dinkydoo]

If Kamberi only decides to start making an effort now he can f*** right off. Got no time for players who decide to play only when it suits them. Fans pay good money to support their team and expect all players to put in the effort every game.


You think that Kamberi wasn't trying before?

I think he was doing his best, playing in a system we don't have the players for and one that he isn't suited to.

On the rare occassion we've played him in this season he's scored a couple of belters (both against Celtic).

This Kamberi not trying nonsense has been Lennon refusing to accept any responsibility for his own tactical failures.

If my boss treated me the way FK has been this season, then I'd leave. I feel for the guy, he was excellent last year.

[silverhibee]

"Hearts manager Celtic's Neil Lennon, formerly of Celtic has today been suspended by Aberdeen's top team Heart of Hibernian for throwing a chair at club captain Derek Grey. Lennon, who formerly played for and captained Celtic (whose Old Firm rivals Rangers are in action against Livingtons on Sunday, live on Sky Sports) has been placed on gardening leave by the Cabbage Jams' chairman Leanne Denson, and is also believed to have gotten into a physical altercation with the Hibes' star midfielder Florence Carlson. It is expected that today's events at West Mains will impact Hearts' preparation for their weekend game against whoever they're playing presumably. We asked Steven Gerrard (ex Liverpool midfielder who led them to the Champions' League title in 2005, which was covered live on Sky Sports), the current Rangers manager what he thought of the former Celtic star. Gerrard replied that Lennon (formerly of Celtic) was a great guy with a fiery personality and also something about that other club he was managing or whatever. Rangers play Livingstone at Almond Valley tomorrow at 4pm, live on Sky Sports."

:faf:

Superb, but surely it's being played at the Tony Greggs arena. :greengrin

[heidtheba]

In regards to Kamberi and maybe others, those of us who have worked for bosses who have undermined us and sapped our confidence or put us into positions where not only did we fail, but we knew we would before we even did it, we can probably relate to why a manager can utterly ruin a season, possibly a career. I’ve been there. I now know I wasn’t mentally tough enough and that also makes me feel bad. I never really ‘came back’ from it and I feel bad about that too. Some of us are confidence ponies. Not lack of skill or effort. Just a killing lack of confidence. I’m not saying that’s what happened as I don’t know for sure, I also am not placing blame. Lennon himself could have suffered this after the media and fan ‘comments’ this season. All I know is that a change of person can be a sudden and drastic benefit for some.

[SideBurns]

I’m not being ridiculous. What’s ridiculous is our manager being suspended nearly 24 hours ago now, and not one person from the club giving the supporters anything.

We have a game tomorrow, we should of been told by now who will be taking the team from someone at the club.

Why do we need to be told? What difference would it make?

[silverhibee]

Apologies if it’s been covered already, but if Garry Parker is not going to be in the dig out who the hell is taking charge tomorrow?

Colin Nish

[BoyledEgg]

I dont think i will be able to function properly until this happens, i'm at my wits end with worry.

Will you not? What a poor shame.

[GreenCastle]

Colin Nish

Don't...

Gareth Evans is a decent shout as a manager though - great guy and well liked.

[Leith Green]

His comments after the defeat at celtic certainly wont have helped his relationship with the players. To call the players rejects and misfits publicly was just bizarre , regardless of there being some truth in it. Its also worth noting that Lennon was to blame for the defeat as he has set the team up wrongly and had to change it after half an hour to make amends. That was the beginning of the end in my opinion

[SquashedFrogg]

Rumour latest - apparently he also used homophonic remarks questioned a players sexuality.

Twitter is some place for rumours. Wonder how much if any is true. Don’t think we will ever find out.

Edit turns out it was alleged homophobic remarks to Leeann not a player


If true I'd have thought that would be gross misconduct and sacking.

[MSK]

Don't...

Gareth Evans is a decent shout as a manager though - great guy and well liked.So is Nish

[Peevemor]

Imagine we had a legal expert on the board that could advise on that.............

Oh wait

Surely a simple acknowledgment to the fans of the situation for tomorrow’s game would be easy enoughAs I said, I think we'll hear something vague but official today.

[BoyledEgg]

Why do we need to be told? What difference would it make?

Because normally when a football manager gets sacked or suspended, the club lets the supporters know what’s going to happen. Instead in typical Hibs fashion you don’t hear a word from them, despite LD promising to be more open, enganging and have better communication with the support. The club is a mess once again at the top.

[greenpaper55]

Because normally when a football manager gets sacked or suspended, the club lets the supporters know what’s going to happen. Instead in typical Hibs fashion you don’t hear a word from them, despite LD promising to be more open, enganging and have better communication with the support. The club is a mess once again at the top.

Spot on, anyone would think that we pay to keep the club going...oh wait !

[mjhibby]

Is there any chance we can get just a gossip thread as it's doing my head in all the nonsense on here. Unless anybody has any real news I don't see the reason for posting twitter nonsense. Twitter isn't reality.

[A Hi-Bee]

Is there any chance we can get just a gossip thread as it's doing my head in all the nonsense on here. Unless anybody has any real news I don't see the reason for posting twitter nonsense. Twitter isn't reality.

twitter is pitchfork reality, honest.

[Lendo]

In regards to Kamberi and maybe others, those of us who have worked for bosses who have undermined us and sapped our confidence or put us into positions where not only did we fail, but we knew we would before we even did it, we can probably relate to why a manager can utterly ruin a season, possibly a career. I’ve been there. I now know I wasn’t mentally tough enough and that also makes me feel bad. I never really ‘came back’ from it and I feel bad about that too. Some of us are confidence ponies. Not lack of skill or effort. Just a killing lack of confidence. I’m not saying that’s what happened as I don’t know for sure, I also am not placing blame. Lennon himself could have suffered this after the media and fan ‘comments’ this season. All I know is that a change of person can be a sudden and drastic benefit for some.

The Mourinho/Pogba situation is another good example
of this. Pogba’s game seems to have improves massively under Ole.

Criticise your players privately, but don’t humiliate them in publicly in the press.

[hibsbollah]

The Mourinho/Pogba situation is another good example
of this. Pogba’s game seems to have improves massively under Ole.

Criticise your players privately, but don’t humiliate them in publicly in the press.

:agree: although I'm not sure Mourinho EVER called Pogba a lesbian or punched Whittaker while standing on a chair.

[Johnny Clash]

You think that Kamberi wasn't trying before?

I think he was doing his best, playing in a system we don't have the players for and one that he isn't suited to.

On the rare occassion we've played him in this season he's scored a couple of belters (both against Celtic).

This Kamberi not trying nonsense has been Lennon refusing to accept any responsibility for his own tactical failures.

If my boss treated me the way FK has been this season, then I'd leave. I feel for the guy, he was excellent last year.

That would make sense if kamberi was starved of chances. He wasn’t. He’s missed loads plus his general play and energy was poor. He deserved criticism and should be able to handle that and improve.

[A Hi-Bee]

The Mourinho/Pogba situation is another good example
of this. Pogba’s game seems to have improves massively under Ole.

Criticise your players privately, but don’t humiliate them in publicly in the press.

Wait we have a player like Pogba, where is this player you speak of.

[southsider]

This, any player who hasnt been giving 100% for my club can **** right off, i can take it if its tactics and formations making them have less of a game, but, not trying,,,,

Would u say the same thing about Man U. Now won 8 out of 8.

[superbam]

You think that Kamberi wasn't trying before?

I think he was doing his best, playing in a system we don't have the players for and one that he isn't suited to.

On the rare occassion we've played him in this season he's scored a couple of belters (both against Celtic).

This Kamberi not trying nonsense has been Lennon refusing to accept any responsibility for his own tactical failures.

If my boss treated me the way FK has been this season, then I'd leave. I feel for the guy, he was excellent last year.

100%

[A Hi-Bee]

That would make sense if kamberi was starved of chances. He wasn’t. He’s missed loads plus his general play and energy was poor. He deserved criticism and should be able to handle that and improve.

Agrre but no need for the swiss roll or the toblerone being thrown.

[Dinkydoo]

That would make sense if kamberi was starved of chances. He wasn’t. He’s missed loads plus his general play and energy was poor. He deserved criticism and should be able to handle that and improve.Disagree. From what I've seen of him this season there has been no lack of effort on his part. At times he has lacked composure BUT, Lennon said in earlier interviews that he needed the likes of Kamberi to 'play' so he can bring others into the game - we then proceed to rocket head height balls at him for 90 mins. The system we're trying to play right now sucks

[WeeRussell]

Just checking I’ve got this right as ive missed a few pages:

Petrie is penny-pinching.. again. But we’re still waiting to hear what happened.

The whole of Easter Road’s staff need replaced.

If Kamberi finds form, he can f**** off.

Seriously?

[wookie70]

Yep that will help. Kamberi scores a hat trick tomorrow and we tell him to **** off cos he wasn’t trying before
Or you could take the view that playing under pressure thinking every mistake would be met with public ridicule by someone that is meant to be on your side and leading you was in the past and he is now playing much more confidently as he will be supported if he has a bad game. We simply can't afford to lose our only reasonable striker so I would be doing my best to get him playing well again.

[The 90+2]

Rumour latest - apparently he also used homophonic remarks questioned a players sexuality.

Twitter is some place for rumours. Wonder how much if any is true. Don’t think we will ever find out.

Edit turns out it was alleged homophobic remarks to Leeann not a player

I don’t think the backroom staff would take Lennons side and refuse to take the side if he did say that to LD. Altercation with 2 players and a massive arguement with LD in front of the players and coaches sounds about right.

[BSEJVT]

Imagine we had a legal expert on the board that could advise on that.............

Oh wait

Surely a simple acknowledgment to the fans of the situation for tomorrow’s game would be easy enough

Maybe the reason we haven't said anything is because we do have that legal expert on the board!

Still that wont stop the hard of thinking on this message board or those who cant wait to boot the club at every single opportunity from continuously whining like 2 year olds.

[SeanWilson]

This does seem rather odd and unusual to have a wall of silence from Hibs, or any club in a situation like this that’s unfolding.You serious? The club are absolutely brutal when it comes to letting the fans know. Every media outlet in the world reports we've signed a player before we do FFS.

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[The Leith Dutch]

Because normally when a football manager gets sacked or suspended, the club lets the supporters know what’s going to happen. Instead in typical Hibs fashion you don’t hear a word from them, despite LD promising to be more open, enganging and have better communication with the support. The club is a mess once again at the top.

If the rumours are true this is probably unlike the usual scenarios where a manager is sacked and far more like a regular business.

In those cases you'd find there's likely HR involvement and the situation has to be handled in a discrete fashion until fully resolved.

[Smartie]

If it's true that Lennon had lesbian sex with Whittaker on a chair, then why has David Gray been sacked?

[SonOfDavidFrancey]

Rumour latest - apparently he also used homophonic remarks questioned a players sexuality.

Twitter is some place for rumours. Wonder how much if any is true. Don’t think we will ever find out.

Edit turns out it was alleged homophobic remarks to Leeann not a player

Were these remarks both homophonic and homophobic? Challenge for the punsters

[Callum_62]

Were these remarks both homophonic and homophobic? Challenge for the punsters

Always said the gays had rhythm


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[elevengoats]

If it's true that Lennon had lesbian sex with Whittaker on a chair, then why has David Gray been sacked?

Heard Lennon is suspended, came here to see the news, and this is the first post I see :D Wtf???

[ionahibby]

Listening to sportsound it sounds to me like the players have went to the board to complain about something. Team meeting then Lennon goes back to his office and then is told he is suspended? Definitely something iffy about this.

[heretoday]

If it's true that Lennon had lesbian sex with Whittaker on a chair, then why has David Gray been sacked?

Thank goodness Hugh Mcilvanney never lived to hear that.

[HibeeHibernian4]

If Kamberi only decides to start making an effort now he can f*** right off. Got no time for players who decide to play only when it suits them. Fans pay good money to support their team and expect all players to put in the effort every game.

Hate to break this to you, but Kamberi's performances have had nothing to do with effort and everything to do with our style of play going drastically backwards since May. We used to play through balls for him all day long and they have all but dried up now. When he gets the service, he scores, simple as.

[Hermit Crab]

Listening to sportsound it sounds to me like the players have went to the board to complain about something. Team meeting then Lennon goes back to his office and then is told he is suspended? Definitely something iffy about this.


John Collins scenario all over again...:rolleyes:

[green day]

Listening to sportsound it sounds to me like the players have went to the board to complain about something. Team meeting then Lennon goes back to his office and then is told he is suspended? Definitely something iffy about this.

I am listening too - imo they clearly know what happened, but are not transmitting it.

Listen to them, they are skirting round it.

[MacGruber]

If it's true that Lennon had lesbian sex with Whittaker on a chair, then why has David Gray been sacked?

Lol - that made me laugh. :hilarious

Probably won't be too far away from the final chinese whisper either

[SeanWilson]

The daily ranger are actually hilarious.... Mark Warburton as a potential candidate to replace him [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

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[Smartie]

Heard Lennon is suspended, came here to see the news, and this is the first post I see :D Wtf???

To clarify, there may or may not have been a bit of a stooshie, nothing has been confirmed by anyone, but there are loads of rumours flying around about what was said and done by and to whom.

But we've got to 27 pages speculating and passing on various rumours.

[hibsbollah]

Always said the gays had rhythm


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:agree: They are, for the most part, excellent at dancing.

[hibsbollah]

Lol - that made me laugh. :hilarious

Probably won't be too far away from the final chinese whisper either

The Chinese??!?:worried:
So they're in on it too?! The revolving chair/lesbian slur/slap/blue waffle evidence will be out there on their dodgy wee Huawei spyphones.

[elevengoats]

To clarify, there may or may not have been a bit of a stooshie, nothing has been confirmed by anyone, but there are loads of rumours flying around about what was said and done by and to whom.

But we've got to 27 pages speculating and passing on various rumours.

Hahaha.. going like this, I am sure we will get to some concrete answers in another 25 pages or so. :)))

[Skol]

Willie Miler making an erse of himself wanting him sacked.

It seems clear to me something happened that could lead to a dismissal which needs a due process. If we fire Lennon we are due to pay his contract in full which would be different if he is dismissed for Gross Misconduct for example.

Clearly the club can say little, but they will need to confirm Lennon is not in the dugout and who is at some point soon.

[WhileTheChief..]

Gutted by this news.

Absolutely gutted.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Clearly the club can say little, but they will need to confirm Lennon is not in the dugout and who is at some point soon.

As long as the team lines are handed to the ref 75 minutes before ko tomorrow makes no diffetence

[greenpaper55]

Maybe it's a case of the club sacking him for gross misconduct and not paying him a penny , allegedly .

[sambajustice]

Maybe it's a case of the club sacking him for gross misconduct and not paying him a penny , allegedly .

No danger that will happen.

[The Green Goblin]

To clarify, there may or may not have been a bit of a stooshie, nothing has been confirmed by anyone, but there are loads of rumours flying around about what was said and done by and to whom.

But we've got to 27 pages speculating and passing on various rumours.

Should this thread be merged with the Winter Transfer thread? That would be quite something.

[BoomtownHibees]

No danger that will happen.

I’m almost convinced that is exactly what will happen

[son of haggart]

Maybe it's a case of the club sacking him for gross misconduct and not paying him a penny , allegedly .


Wouldn't be surprised,but at management levels, these cases can be complicated and are usually settled through a compromise agreement (with confidentiality clauses) so quite possible that it will never come out other than through rumours.

If that's the case, expect a long period of silence then a 'left the club by mutual consent' statement

[sambajustice]

Even if it is gross misconduct I'd expect he'd get some sort of pay out

[BoomtownHibees]

Even if it is gross misconduct I'd expect he'd get some sort of pay out

Why?

[sambajustice]

Why?

2+ years service

Lengthy court battle etc.

Disability discrimination?


That said, I don't know if Sport is covered by it's own employment law? Might be different rules and regs regarding sports contracts

[green day]

2+ years service

Lengthy court battle etc.

Disability discrimination?


That said, I don't know if Sport is covered by it's own employment law? Might be different rules and regs regarding sports contracts

None of which are relevant if it is Gross Misconduct.

[SeanWilson]

2+ years service

Lengthy court battle etc.

Disability discrimination?


That said, I don't know if Sport is covered by it's own employment law? Might be different rules and regs regarding sports contractsYou could be the best performing individual in an entire business over a 20 year period and be sacked with nothing for Gross Misconduct.

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[hibbyfraelibby]

2+ years service

Lengthy court battle etc.

Disability discrimination?


That said, I don't know if Sport is covered by it's own employment law? Might be different rules and regs regarding sports contracts

Absolutely no difference and its about time foitball supporters realised this and started behaving responsibly and accepting the football world is not a special case just one inhabited by normally rational individuals who lose it based on emotion and a misguided sense of entitlement.

[sambajustice]

None of which are relevant if it is Gross Misconduct.

I'd say "we'll see" but we never will find out I suppose.

You are of course correct.

I just can't see him getting absolutely nothing

[son of haggart]

None of which are relevant if it is Gross Misconduct.


You could be the best performing individual in an entire business over a 20 year period and be sacked with nothing for Gross Misconduct.

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While that's true the business would also be mindful of the costs of losing the case which their legal advisers will no doubt alert them to, however confident they may feel - including legal fees and loss of face through allegations/ counter-allegations. Hence most settle.

[Bangkok Hibby]

That's me finished with hibs I've just cancelled my subs to hsl and my family can have my season ticket if the rumours are true then that's me had enough Lennon is the best manager since Turnbull and the board has not matched his ambitions



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If you are old enough to remember the Tornadoes and are still a fan today then you've witnessed worse times than this. Calm doon.

[The Leith Dutch]

None of which are relevant if it is Gross Misconduct.

While absolutely correct legally it's worth noting that it's not unusual to settle with a payout to avoid a protracted legal battle - even if it's one you think you'll win.

[sambajustice]

While absolutely correct legally it's worth noting that it's not unusual to settle with a payout to avoid a protracted legal battle - even if it's one you think you'll win.

Basically what I was getting at...

Avoids dirty laundry getting aired in public etc etc

[SMAXXA]

Expect club statement imminent

[04Sauzee]

Expect club statement imminent

You know or you just hope? Silence is deafening eh.

[One Day Soon]

I've asked this elsewhere and not seen an answer: can we appoint a new manager while Neil is suspended and technically still employed by the club or do we need to wait until negotiations over his position are concluded?

[Lago]

These wouldn't really solve brexit.
If Scotland was to gain independence from the uk it would not have a place within the EU.
While it is said we could join and we'd get in, the first step would be to have a referendum.

Putting aside the fact that the Previous EU referendum was aimed at the people of the U.K. And not regions or countries, meaning Scotland didn't vote to remain as some would have you believe.
1.6m scots voted remain
1m scots voted leave
1.2m scots didn't vote

There is no way of telling how a Scottish EU vote would go.

I'm not sure what you alluded to with the violence part but any violence wouldn't be scots against the UK, it would be scots against scots against the UK.

In my opinion of course
Not the place for this discussion chaps!!

[Fergos]

I've asked this elsewhere and not seen an answer: can we appoint a new manager while Neil is suspended and technically still employed by the club or do we need to wait until negotiations over his position are concluded?

No. any appointment would have to be in an acting / temp capacity until NLs exit is legally concluded.

[Billy Whizz]

I've asked this elsewhere and not seen an answer: can we appoint a new manager while Neil is suspended and technically still employed by the club or do we need to wait until negotiations over his position are concluded?

I’m sure most clubs get round it if they sacked someone, by changing the title from say Manager, to Head Coach, which I think is Neil’s title. I’m not sure what we can do while someone is suspended, and technically still employed to do the job

[Turkish Green]

Gross misconduct:
If misconduct of an employee is so serious that it undermines the mutual trust and confidence between the employee and their employer and merits instant dismissal.

if rumours are to be believed, and management have witnesses to his behaviour, then Lennon is gone.

[One Day Soon]

I’m sure most clubs get round it if they sacked someone, by changing the title from say Manager, to Head Coach, which I think is Neil’s title. I’m not sure what we can do while someone is suspended, and technically still employed to do the job

Anyone know the answer to this?

[Centre Hawf]

Anyone know the answer to this?

I would imagine we would have to perhaps formally put him on gardening leave to be able to announce a full time appointment to replace him. Otherwise during his suspension it may have to be "acting" or "interim" managers only. However that could be a load of tosh.

[GloryGlory]

I've asked this elsewhere and not seen an answer: can we appoint a new manager while Neil is suspended and technically still employed by the club or do we need to wait until negotiations over his position are concluded?

Could have an interim manager, subject to conclusion of club employment procedures, blah, blah, blah...

[The goalie]

Anyone know the answer to this?

Yes you can. It could be used as constructive dismissal, however if gross misconduct is the charge the business must be allowed to continue. If it is gross misconduct then he’s gone, if he wins any appeal then it would be cash not reinstated. The reason for gross misconduct I s usually violence, drugs or theft etc. This means trust has broken down so no danger he would be back. That’s if they saw, or have evidence of the gross misconduct.

[One Day Soon]

Yes you can. It could be used as constructive dismissal, however if gross misconduct is the charge the business must be allowed to continue. If it is gross misconduct then he’s gone, if he wins any appeal then it would be cash not reinstated. The reason for gross misconduct I s usually violence, drugs or theft etc. This means trust has broken down so no danger he would be back. That’s if they saw, or have evidence of the gross misconduct.

Hmm, feeling less and less confident about the remainder of this transfer window in this context. Not sure how we can get the right manager quickly and also the players we need. When does the window close?

[green day]

While that's true the business would also be mindful of the costs of losing the case which their legal advisers will no doubt alert them to, however confident they may feel - including legal fees and loss of face through allegations/ counter-allegations. Hence most settle.

Not in my experience at a large corporate, and I dealt with a fair few.

If you want to get rid of someone, you pay to make it clean break - compromise agreement with confidentiality clause.
If you think someone is under-performing and it could be contested etc, you generally pay - again, as above.

However, if someone is guilty of gross misconduct - fighting, bevvying,drugs of whatever, as long as your case is nailed down, you just give them the evidence, ask them to respond, and usually they will walk (as nobody wants sacked) and you both agree it wont be made public. If they are daft about it, they get the sack.

I never heard of a serious case which was paid off to keep it quiet, because...........If you pay someone off who has been battering / bullying a fellow employee, then you leave yourself open to legal action from the "wronged" party.

[Turkish Green]

Hmm, feeling less and less confident about the remainder of this transfer window in this context. Not sure how we can get the right manager quickly and also the players we need. When does the window close?

Less than a week left of the window. Leeann will already have a short list of potential targets. Any player that has been identified by Lennon will likely have already been contacted by the club. Transfers are not conducted by Lennon. Leeann will continue the process.

[jakeds]

This WhatsApp message about Lennon situation allegedly from Ryan Gauld going about on reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/ScottishFootball/comments/ak1h4w/the_apparent_text_from_ryan_gauld_on_why_lennon/?st=JRDNB2B2&sh=8c95cf9b

No idea if real or not. Apologies if this has already been shared

[sambajustice]

Not in my experience at a large corporate, and I dealt with a fair few.

If you want to get rid of someone, you pay to make it clean break - compromise agreement with confidentiality clause.
If you think someone is under-performing and it could be contested etc, you generally pay - again, as above.

However, if someone is guilty of gross misconduct - fighting, bevvying,drugs of whatever, as long as your case is nailed down, you just give them the evidence, ask them to respond, and usually they will walk (as nobody wants sacked) and you both agree it wont be made public. If they are daft about it, they get the sack.

I never heard of a serious case which was paid off to keep it quiet, because...........If you pay someone off who has been battering / bullying a fellow employee, then you leave yourself open to legal action from the "wronged" party.


How would the batteree know the batterer was paid off though...? :-)

[Turkish Green]

Not in my experience at a large corporate, and I dealt with a fair few.

If you want to get rid of someone, you pay to make it clean break - compromise agreement with confidentiality clause.
If you think someone is under-performing and it could be contested etc, you generally pay - again, as above.

However, if someone is guilty of gross misconduct - fighting, bevvying,drugs of whatever, as long as your case is nailed down, you just give them the evidence, ask them to respond, and usually they will walk (as nobody wants sacked) and you both agree it wont be made public. If they are daft about it, they get the sack.

I never heard of a serious case which was paid off to keep it quiet, because...........If you pay someone off who has been battering / bullying a fellow employee, then you leave yourself open to legal action from the "wronged" party.

Eventually we will get a "by mutual agreement" statement from the club.

[BoomtownHibees]

This WhatsApp message about Lennon situation allegedly from Ryan Gauld going about on reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/ScottishFootball/comments/ak1h4w/the_apparent_text_from_ryan_gauld_on_why_lennon/?st=JRDNB2B2&sh=8c95cf9b

No idea if real or not. Apologies if this has already been shared

Bollocks

[makaveli1875]

This WhatsApp message about Lennon situation allegedly from Ryan Gauld going about on reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/ScottishFootball/comments/ak1h4w/the_apparent_text_from_ryan_gauld_on_why_lennon/?st=JRDNB2B2&sh=8c95cf9b

No idea if real or not. Apologies if this has already been shared

No chance Gauld wrote that

[wookie70]

Not in my experience at a large corporate, and I dealt with a fair few.

If you want to get rid of someone, you pay to make it clean break - compromise agreement with confidentiality clause.
If you think someone is under-performing and it could be contested etc, you generally pay - again, as above.

However, if someone is guilty of gross misconduct - fighting, bevvying,drugs of whatever, as long as your case is nailed down, you just give them the evidence, ask them to respond, and usually they will walk (as nobody wants sacked) and you both agree it wont be made public. If they are daft about it, they get the sack.

I never heard of a serious case which was paid off to keep it quiet, because...........If you pay someone off who has been battering / bullying a fellow employee, then you leave yourself open to legal action from the "wronged" party.

Spot on in my experience. I would add if the offence was out of character and there were mitigating circumstances then some pay out may be made too. If LD has Lennon bang to rights I hope she goes down the summary dismissal with no compensation route. It's not as if he has been a model employee and if it is anything to do with Kamberi there is more than a single incident and we have to make sure we are a club where employees know they will be supported

[gerry]

My gut feeling is Lennon stepped over the line probably didn’t mean too but went too far and sometimes you just can’t do that in any line of work . If he has it’s his own fault and probably in the long run best thing for him and club is to part company. I’d like to hear his take on it after all this settles down .

[MWHIBBIES]

No. any appointment would have to be in an acting / temp capacity until NLs exit is legally concluded.Why?

I cant think of a single example of this. Hibs can appoint whoever they want to any role at any time.

[One Day Soon]

Less than a week left of the window. Leeann will already have a short list of potential targets. Any player that has been identified by Lennon will likely have already been contacted by the club. Transfers are not conducted by Lennon. Leeann will continue the process.

Really not sure that's a good idea. Limited funds and spending them now doesn't fit well with what a new manager will want/need to do once appointed. Plus what does spending now actually achieve given the season is pretty much done?

[ScottB]

Hmm, feeling less and less confident about the remainder of this transfer window in this context. Not sure how we can get the right manager quickly and also the players we need. When does the window close?

I think players are increasingly used to the idea that it's not always the 'manager' that signs them, obviously I'm sure they'd rather know who they'd be working under, but I imagine we'll still be able to sign players.

[The Green Goblin]

My tuppence:

Pretty Boy’s earlier post is a better assessment of things than you will read anywhere else, including journos

Results have been dreadful. Something was eventually going to happen one way or another. It’s never pretty and this definitely isn’t, but now that things have come to a head, people can start fixing them.

Rumours don’t help things, and the club need to publicly address the situation asap

At the time, NL was a great appointment. He got us back up, gave us a wee European run and until this season, has been good for the club. Nobody is bigger than the club though. If he has done something wrong and things have run their course, then so be it.

A steady, experienced hand is needed to get us through to the summer. I don’t care who that is, as long as they keep us safe.

I will 100% be renewing my Season Ticket.

[ChooseLife]

Lewis Stevenson's book just got a lot more interesting.

[SquashedFrogg]

Really not sure that's a good idea. Limited funds and spending them now doesn't fit well with what a new manager will want/need to do once appointed. Plus what does spending now actually achieve given the season is pretty much done?

Depends though. We're short of bodies and if they're loans then the club might proceed.

If/when a manager is apointedit might be too late to strengthen.

[FifeHibs]

Is it possible after internal investigation, Lennon and his team remain and the players involved are removed from club.

[One Day Soon]

Depends though. We're short of bodies and if they're loans then the club might proceed.

If/when a manager is apointedit might be too late to strengthen.

Yep short term loans - exactly what some of Lennon's most obsessive critics don't like - are precisely the only thing that really now make sense.

[Callum_62]

Is it possible after internal investigation, Lennon and his team remain and the players involved are removed from club.

Could be anything - we are literally going on heresay and rumour at the moment


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[HoboHarry]

Could be anything - we are literally going on heresay and rumour at the moment


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About 3000 pages on various threads of people guessing.

[WhileTheChief..]

If it’s true that LD thought Lennon went too far with the players and that’s the core of the issue then I’d happily let her go too.

It’s exactly that mentality that I thought we’d got rid of when we brought Lennon in.

Bless their cotton socks though, can’t have a manager shouting at the players.

[SquashedFrogg]

Yep short term loans - exactly what some of Lennon's most obsessive critics don't like - are precisely the only thing that really now make sense.

Right now it's needs must. Loans arent ideal but might be a necessity.

Time will tell.

[Fife-Hibee]

Can we stop throwing hunches around? As the internet has a way of turning them into fact, before the fact.

[Michael]

If it’s true that LD thought Lennon went too far with the players and that’s the core of the issue then I’d happily let her go too.

It’s exactly that mentality that I thought we’d got rid of when we brought Lennon in.

Bless their cotton socks though, can’t have a manager shouting at the players.

Depends what he's shouting tbh.

[McIntosh]

If it’s true that LD thought Lennon went too far with the players and that’s the core of the issue then I’d happily let her go too.

It’s exactly that mentality that I thought we’d got rid of when we brought Lennon in.

Bless their cotton socks though, can’t have a manager shouting at the players.

Sadly, I would have to agree. How would any of the current players coped with Eddie Turnbull. They need an industrial bollocking.

[bawheid]

Can you counter a charge of Gross Misconduct with mitigating circumstances? e.g. I was suffering from stress and anxiety and lost it momentarily. e.g. sectarian graffiti appeared adjacent to our rivals’ stadium and instead of supporting me, my employer cosied up and issued a joint statement.

[madhatter]

What's the chances of Hibs ending the media silence today?

[neil7908]

Sadly, I would have to agree. How would any of the current players coped with Eddie Turnbull. They need an industrial bollocking.

Like the ones Terry Butcher and Malpas doled out?

Sorry but football and the world moves on. That kinda stuff doesn't work anymore.

[calumhibee1]

Like the ones Terry Butcher and Malpas doled out?

Sorry but football and the world moves on. That kinda stuff doesn't work anymore.

:agree:

And thank **** it has

[HibeeHibernian4]

If it’s true that LD thought Lennon went too far with the players and that’s the core of the issue then I’d happily let her go too.

It’s exactly that mentality that I thought we’d got rid of when we brought Lennon in.

Bless their cotton socks though, can’t have a manager shouting at the players.

Not when he's been absolutely useless at setting up a side for six months and cannot accept any blame when he does so.

[Crab apple]

Sadly, I would have to agree. How would any of the current players coped with Eddie Turnbull. They need an industrial bollocking.

On Sportsound they seemed to be alluding to this not being another Collins scenario but more that LD or another board member overheard what went on in the team meeting. All seems very odd.

[Hibernia&Alba]

What's the chances of Hibs ending the media silence today?

Very slim, I would think. Still gathering the facts, discussing findings and keeping quiet until a definite decision is made.

[neil7908]

If it’s true that LD thought Lennon went too far with the players and that’s the core of the issue then I’d happily let her go too.

It’s exactly that mentality that I thought we’d got rid of when we brought Lennon in.

Bless their cotton socks though, can’t have a manager shouting at the players.

It might work once, maybe twice but have you had a boss treat you like s*** regularly?

Eventually one of two thing's happen - you stop trying or you leave.

His public comments about Flo have been really poor. That's all we can go on at the moment but footballers are human beings. There are other ways to deal with thing's thank scream abuse at the them and throw stuff. Not sure Klopp, Zidane, Gaurdiola do much of that and they seem to get on OK.

[Since90+2]

Can you counter a charge of Gross Misconduct with mitigating circumstances? e.g. I was suffering from stress and anxiety and lost it momentarily. e.g. sectarian graffiti appeared adjacent to our rivals’ stadium and instead of supporting me, my employer cosied up and issued a joint statement.

In short ,no. If he has committed gross misconduct and it's been witnessed by multiple other employees then he can be dismissed.

We obviously don't know what's went on but most company handbooks detail examples of gross misconduct and are often vague enough to cover many scenarios. Hibs as an employer will be no different from other companies in that regard I'd imagine.

One thing you can be sure of with the people running our club is that we will have our disciplinary procedures water tight.

[madhatter]

Sadly, I would have to agree. How would any of the current players coped with Eddie Turnbull. They need an industrial bollocking.

Football boots and players' hairstyles should be enough of a hint how much the world and football has changed. Steve Clarke knows how to man manage clearly, his backing of Jordan Jones was the correct way to deal with that. Lennon has always been a wee bit of a moaner due to his mentality. Players or someone else always to blame.

Football managers are paid very well, not sure where this "weak players need to toughen up and listen to the extremely well paid manager" mindset comes from. Lennon was well paid to coach and manage football players. I think some people think good managers these days would kick the dressing room door in grab Neymar and square up to him saying "stop your diving and showboating or I'll set about you". You manage the players you have infront of you, not apply a pre-defined way of dealing with players. Similar to how you deal with people in any walk of life, you find out what makes them tick.

These are football players, not soldiers. Shouting constantly in their face will not inspire all of them.

[Hibeesmad]

Interesting comments from Bell..

He told the BBC: “I’ve worked with Neil and he’s a fantastic manager and he’s done a brilliant job with Hibs.

“Everyone knows he puts everything into the job and lets people know when he’s not happy.

“When I was there the players responded well to it – there was always a good response when he told us he wasn’t pleased and I think that’s why Hibs had a good season last year.

“He’s maybe not got the players in that he wanted to over the summer, so maybe there’s been a problem between him and the board.”

He added: “The players who were there last year knew he had high standards and we always reacted positively to any criticism that he dished out.

“He wanted the best for the team and the club.”

[Fuzzywuzzy]

If it’s true that LD thought Lennon went too far with the players and that’s the core of the issue then I’d happily let her go too.

It’s exactly that mentality that I thought we’d got rid of when we brought Lennon in.

Bless their cotton socks though, can’t have a manager shouting at the players.

I was at a seminar a few years ago and the speaker was saying that young people are more sensitive now than ever before. She had heard on more than one occasion of some young people had actually asked their managers whether they liked them or not.

It's not something I would/have asked any of my managers. If someone thinks I'm a ****, they think I'm a **** for a reason

[madhatter]

Very slim, I would think. Still gathering the facts, discussing findings and keeping quiet until a definite decision is made.

Tomorrow is going to be very strange then. It'll be rumours right up until kick-off, who is taking charge and the team selection.

[BoomtownHibees]

Hibernian FC can confirm that Eddie May, Head of Academy Coaching, and Grant Murray, Assistant Coach, will take charge of the first team for Sunday's Ladbrokes Premiership game against St Mirren.

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[K-Zazu]

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/9661

[madhatter]

"The full focus of the Club is on the trip to Paisley."

Yeah, ok then...

[HibeeHibernian4]

"The full focus of the Club is on the trip to Paisley."

Yeah, ok then...

Well what do you expect them to say? "We'll try and get the points in Paisley but to be honest we've got bigger things on our plate." :rolleyes:

[wookie70]

Good statement. Tells us what we need to know about who is taking the team and their credentials and importantly gives those being disciplined the privacy they deserve.

[madhatter]

Well what do you expect them to say? "We'll try and get the points in Paisley but to be honest we've got bigger things on our plate." :rolleyes:

Don't put that line. What is the point of it? Clearly it is a lie to make fans feel better but it won't because we all know it's rubbish. Just say that Eddie May and Grant Murray are taking charge and stop at that...

[One Day Soon]

"The full focus of the Club is on the trip to Paisley."

Yeah, ok then...

What on earth were you expecting?

[ElginHibbie]

Don't put that line. What is the point of it? Clearly it is a lie to make fans feel better but it won't because we all know it's rubbish. Just say that Eddie May and Grant Murray are taking charge and stop at that...

But if they didn't put that line someone else would have probably come along and asked why there was no comment on the whole situation on it, that line tries to avoid that

Damned if they do...

[One Day Soon]

Don't put that line. What is the point of it? Clearly it is a lie to make fans feel better but it won't because we all know it's rubbish. Just say that Eddie May and Grant Murray are taking charge and stop at that...

In what respect?

[WhileTheChief..]

"The full focus of the Club is on the trip to Paisley."

Yeah, ok then...

I know right.

Which translates to “we’re not saying anything else about the mess we’ve found ourselves in for now”

[SideBurns]

Well what do you expect them to say? "We'll try and get the points in Paisley but to be honest we've got bigger things on our plate." :rolleyes:

Exactly - we've a game of fitba the morn. That's the most pressing issue between now and 4pm tomorrow.

[jacomo]

I wonder if he has felt he has been backed enough by the board.


Lennon said on many occasions that he had great backing from the Board.

[madhatter]

In what respect?

You think the full focus of the club is on the trip to Paisley? Really?

We may have to pay off a manager, we are likely in the process of an internal investigation, we may have to pay for legal advice/proceedings. No way full focus of club is on game tomorrow, that is a fact. I'm sure when Leeann goes to bed tonight she'll be thinking of the game against St Mirren tomorrow rather than the issue with Lennon and Parker...

I'm sure Omeonga and Gauld will be focussed on getting 3 points rather than thinking "what have I got myself into?"...

Let's be real, that sentence has no real substance and we all know it simply cannot be true.

[One Day Soon]

You think the full focus of the club is on the trip to Paisley? Really?

We may have to pay off a manager, we are likely in the process of an internal investigation, we may have to pay for legal advice/proceedings. No way full focus of club is on game tomorrow, that is a fact. I'm sure when Leeann goes to bed tonight she'll be thinking of the game against St Mirren tomorrow rather than the issue with Lennon and Parker...

I'm sure Omeonga and Gauld will be focussed on getting 3 points rather than thinking "what have I got myself into?"...

Let's be real, that sentence has no real substance and we all know it simply cannot be true.


I'm pretty confident Dempster will be dealing with the issues you raise but that there's not much she would normally be doing pre-match day that matters in respect of tomorrow's game.

Players tend to focus on the football in the short term so while they will no doubt wonder where all this is heading most available evidence would suggest that they are in fact focused on tomorrow's game. Certainly anything I've ever seen by way of fly on the wall stuff shows players being remarkably about the immediate game when there is one on rather than the bigger picture stuff.

As far as staff concerned with the game is concerned I think that sentence is probably entirely accurate. In fact if the relationship with Lennon was the problem from the perspective of some or all of the players then they will likely be even more focused on the game tomorrow than they have been in many recent games.

[The 90+2]

You think the full focus of the club is on the trip to Paisley? Really?

We may have to pay off a manager, we are likely in the process of an internal investigation, we may have to pay for legal advice/proceedings. No way full focus of club is on game tomorrow, that is a fact. I'm sure when Leeann goes to bed tonight she'll be thinking of the game against St Mirren tomorrow rather than the issue with Lennon and Parker...

I'm sure Omeonga and Gauld will be focussed on getting 3 points rather than thinking "what have I got myself into?"...

Let's be real, that sentence has no real substance and we all know it simply cannot be true.

It’s on the pitch that matters.

The two players are professionals.

[madhatter]

I'm pretty confident Dempster will be dealing with the issues you raise but that there's not much she would normally be doing pre-match day that matters in respect of tomorrow's game.

Players tend to focus on the football in the short term so while they will no doubt wonder where all this is heading most available evidence would suggest that they are in fact focused on tomorrow's game. Certainly anything I've ever seen by way of fly on the wall stuff shows players being remarkably about the immediate game when there is one on rather than the bigger picture stuff.

As far as staff concerned with the game is concerned I think that sentence is probably entirely accurate. In fact if the relationship with Lennon was the problem from the perspective of some or all of the players then they will likely be even more focused on the game tomorrow than they have been in many recent games.

I take your point on this. I'd imagine the players only really become focussed on the game when they enter the dressing room though, I'd imagine they'll be thinking about what's going on at a similar level as fans, possibly even more so up until then as it could affect their careers even short term. There may even be a degree of divide in the dressing room, were some supportive of Lennon, others not? The problem is we know so little which in turn makes it difficult to think the club is completely focussed on a game tomorrow. For all we know, at this stage, Omeonga may have asked for his loan to be terminated and had to be talked round.

I do take your point though. I just dislike a 20hour wait to find out who is taking charge tomorrow but for the same statement to be signed off with a line I view as being nothing more than a platitude.

[Sir David Gray]

"The full focus of the Club is on the trip to Paisley."

Yeah, ok then...

What exactly do you want the club to say? "We wish we didn't have a game tomorrow, the club's in disarray and we're now embroiled in a legal dispute."

[Fergos]

Why?

I cant think of a single example of this. Hibs can appoint whoever they want to any role at any time.

Lets see if we do that then, as someone else has pointed out it could be construed as constructive dismissal if Hibs were to appoint someone before NLs contract is terminated by whatever means.

Id be very surprised if we don’t deal with NL first before making any perm appointment.

Time will tell.

[madhatter]

What exactly do you want the club to say? "We wish we didn't have a game tomorrow, the club's in disarray and we're now embroiled in a legal dispute."

I've made it clear in my other comments. Don't say anything unless it has meaning. The sentence in the statement is a platitude. Just say who is taking charge and leave it at that, no need to put that.

Why does it have to be say one thing vs another thing. How about the third option, don't say anything unless it's worthwhile? Hibs took approximately 20 hours to tell us who is taking charge at the game tomorrow, proves that the last sentence in the statement is a platitude straight off, unless the media guy slept in I suppose...

[Bangkok Hibby]

Lennon said on many occasions that he had great backing from the Board.

How many soon to be sacked managers have said the very same over the years?

[Fergos]

Lennon said on many occasions that he had great backing from the Board.

Correct, and very recently too.

GGTTH

[CapitalGreen]

I've made it clear in my other comments. Don't say anything unless it has meaning. The sentence in the statement is a platitude. Just say who is taking charge and leave it at that, no need to put that.

Why does it have to be say one thing vs another thing. How about the third option, don't say anything unless it's worthwhile? Hibs took approximately 20 hours to tell us who is taking charge at the game tomorrow, proves that the last sentence in the statement is a platitude straight off, unless the media guy slept in I suppose...

Get a life mate, it’s Saturday night and you’re getting your knickers in a twist over a line from a club statement saying we are focussed on tomorrow’s match.

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[Here’s Lucy!]

It’s on the pitch that matters.

The two players are professionals.

Exactly! :aok:

Omeonga and Gauld have probably never even let 'what have I got myself into' cross their minds tbh.

[madhatter]

Get a life mate, it’s Saturday night and you’re getting your knickers in a twist over a line from a club statement saying we are focussed on tomorrow’s match.

Haha no problem mate. Should I suggest the same to those that got their knickers in a twist to a randomer posting their opinion on a forum on a Saturday night?

Sure though, I'll get a life. Cheers.

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A real scoop there from Tam 🙄

[MWHIBBIES]

Lets see if we do that then, as someone else has pointed out it could be construed as constructive dismissal if Hibs were to appoint someone before NLs contract is terminated by whatever means.

Id be very surprised if we don’t deal with NL first before making any perm appointment.

Time will tell.

We can just terminate his contract whenever we want though, we'd just have to pay him. If Lennon has actually done something that makes Hibs want to terminate his deal then he doesn't really have a leg to stand on.

We signed a replacement for Stokes when he was still contracted. This isn't any different. We can just say the new guy is first team coach or something and thats fine.

[Here’s Lucy!]

Get a life mate, it’s Saturday night and you’re getting your knickers in a twist over a line from a club statement saying we are focussed on tomorrow’s match.

Well said.

I, for one, will enjoy my Saturday night and will be looking forward (and expecting!!) a Hibs win tomorrow.

GGTTH :flag:

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That wins tonight's award for stating the obvious!

[Here’s Lucy!]

That wins tonight's award for stating the obvious!

Yep, a touch of genius from old Tam there!!:rolleyes:

[emerald green]

I've not been able to read through all of this thread, or any of the others, so I may not be up to speed.

Have Lennon and Parker both been suspended, or dismissed?

If Neil Lennon has left the club, then I feel that has been inevitable for a while since he started singling out players for public criticism. I understand his frustration if he genuinely believes players are not performing, but that leads to the question - why are they not performing as well as they can, and should? Is it because of NL's public criticism(s), or is it because of his regular tinkering with team formations and playing men not in their best positions?

Furthermore, if some of the stories going the rounds are true, then NL has to go. I've supported NL in the past because I thought that, at long last, he was going to imbue the players and everyone connected with the club with a winning attitude and mentality. We wouldn't be seen as "soft" any longer. That seems to have come to a grinding halt in the most spectacular fashion, perhaps due to Lennon's volatile temperament? New squad additions like Gauld must be wondering what the hell they've walked into. It's a real mess.

The hard won "feelgood factor" after winning the Scottish Cup has vanished already. Over to Leeann and Hibs board.

[Billy Whizz]

That wins tonight's award for stating the obvious!

Wonder if Hibs will go for a short term or permanent manager

[madhatter]

A real scoop there from Tam 🙄

He does suggest he knows what happened but only from one side of the argument and that it is with the lawyers now and it isn't his place to devulge that information. Difficult for him to release details as it could come at a cost especially considering his occupation and his affinity with the club.

[Fife-Hibee]

Wonder if Hibs will go for a short term or permanent manager

They all seem to be relatively short term.

[ancient hibee]

He does suggest he knows what happened but only from one side of the argument and that it is with the lawyers now and it isn't his place to devulge that information. Difficult for him to release details as it could come at a cost especially considering his occupation and his affinity with the club.


Anyone on this website could have written what Tam McManus has.Think you've missed a little joke.

[madhatter]

Anyone on this website could have written what Tam McManus has.Think you've missed a little joke.

Probably have.

[HibeeHibernian4]

A real scoop there from Tam 🙄

You say that but I've seem some delusional people (not on here) thinking Lennon still might be coming back once the suspension's over. Got to laugh really.

[Ozyhibby]

That wins tonight's award for stating the obvious!

To be fair, he knew last night that it had happened before news came out. He just failed to articulate it into a scoop for himself. [emoji23]


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[Hibernia&Alba]

Very sad ending; a real shame for him to leave under such a cloud.

[Sir David Gray]

Wonder if Hibs will go for a short term or permanent manager

I think we need a manager that is going to be a long term appointment i.e. longer than 6 months. We need to rebuild in the summer so we need someone in now who's going to oversee that.

[The 90+2]

A real scoop there from Tam 🙄

He did last night though.

[Lago]

I think we need a manager that is going to be a long term appointment i.e. longer than 6 months. We need to rebuild in the summer so we need someone in now who's going to oversee that.
Agree, getting fed up with these 2 year short term appointments, it's like Hibs are using the Gig economy.

[Fergos]

We can just terminate his contract whenever we want though, we'd just have to pay him. If Lennon has actually done something that makes Hibs want to terminate his deal then he doesn't really have a leg to stand on.

We signed a replacement for Stokes when he was still contracted. This isn't any different. We can just say the new guy is first team coach or something and thats fine.

Suspending NL would suggest we are trying to either reach some sort of compromise without paying the full amount up of his contract or pay him nothing at all - the second option would have to hinge around some sort of gross misconduct actions from NL. We won’t just terminate him, if that was going to be the case it would have happened by now.

GGTTH

[McIntosh]

Like the ones Terry Butcher and Malpas doled out?

Sorry but football and the world moves on. That kinda stuff doesn't work anymore. Well Alex Ferguson was doing it till a few years ago. It worked well for him. This is not a game for snowflakes.

[A Hi-Bee]

Agree, getting fed up with these 2 year short term appointments, it's like Hibs are using the Gig economy.

reckon if you want a long term type manager then it would have to be some boring yes man who tipped his hat to the board every time they passed, someone along thelines of A.Miller springs to mind, no thanks give me the roller coaster ride that was Neil (The Aeroplane) Lennon every time. or a cup winner like Stubbs. Miller did have a team that won a cup but apart from that his long time at Easter Road was very turgig and boring.

[B.H.F.C]

Well Alex Ferguson was doing it till a few years ago. It worked well for him. This is not a game for snowflakes.

Ferguson said himself that he had to adapt and change his approach. Probably why he was still winning trophies in his 70s.

[Tyler Durden]

Well Alex Ferguson was doing it till a few years ago. It worked well for him. This is not a game for snowflakes.

Alex Ferguson has been out of the game for 6 years now.

He himself talked about the change in professional footballers and how he adapted his approach in his later years.

[Heisenberg]

Sun basically blaming Flo. Line about him being pulled up by his unimpressed teammates sounds like a load of pish made up to protect their pal Lenny.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/3799460/neil-lennon-florian-kamberi-garry-parker-suspension-hibs-easter-road/

[The 90+2]

Sun basically blaming Flo. Line about him being pulled up by his unimpressed teammates sounds like a load of pish made up to protect their pal Lenny.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/3799460/neil-lennon-florian-kamberi-garry-parker-suspension-hibs-easter-road/


Club captain backed Flo’. Unimpressed players is a heap of pish.

[supermcginn]

Kamberi getting the blame is a joke, either up on his own getting punts launched at him or trying to link up with guys like shaw or allan, nobody is that good to carry either of they two or hold up numerous punts

[SlickShoes]

I liked Lennon as manager but this witch hunt for Kamberi is ridiculous, he's been given no service all season and left isolated and singled out. The other night is a prime example, he just had balls punted at him constantly while surrounded by defenders with no overlapping midfielders, not sure what else he's supposed to do.

[timewilltell]

I thought the players ‘blanked’ Flo after the 4th goal against Elgin. Have a look.

[HibeeHibernian4]

I thought the players ‘blanked’ Flo after the 4th goal against Elgin. Have a look.

Only got the short highlights on YouTube to hand, but Horgan gives him a high five as he runs past and then goes to thank the man who crossed it in.

[FifeHibs]

I'd rather kamberi got punted than Lennon

[Billychaotic182]

I'd rather kamberi got punted than Lennon

I’d rather our manager used tactics that got the best out of our players, not use them as a scape goat every time a result goes against us and take no blame in his own faults. I’d rather we played our players in position and didn’t hoof the ball up field. But hey I guess we won’t get what we want

[Togs91]

I know its the s*n and the sunday mail, but reports after an argument, kamberi emptied his locker at east mains and threatened to quit. Hibs need some sort of communication to prevent the media from spreading all this!

[SquashedFrogg]

I'd rather kamberi got punted than Lennon

Weirdly I agree. I sniff trouble with him. Also not a particularly good footballer.

[ScottB]

I know its the s*n and the sunday mail, but reports after an argument, kamberi emptied his locker at east mains and threatened to quit. Hibs need some sort of communication to prevent the media from spreading all this!

Legally, I imagine they can’t say much of anything, whether the media have any actual info or are just dressing up online rumours as stories remains to be seen.

[madhatter]

I'd rather kamberi got punted than Lennon

Never. Lennon's man management is shocking. He keeps critcising him even though our midfield barely create anything.

How about Lennon analyse Whittaker' s mistakes and seriously look at how bad we are defensively in defence and in midfield? If Kamberi isn't playing well and is at fault for us not scoring goals, whose at fault for conceding?

If Lennon has been slating Kamberi in private and in the public every week then I have no problem with players having issues. Lennon should deal with it in the dressing room rather than berate in the public. He also shouldnt have favourites and i get the feeling Whittaker is favoured. Maybe I'm wrong.

[Togs91]

Legally, I imagine they can’t say much of anything, whether the media have any actual info or are just dressing up online rumours as stories remains to be seen.

I suppose, but theres ways of talking politically to stop rumours and not cross the line. Also theres a few ex players tourned journos/pundits who know players and staff and know whats happened, whats to stop them talking?

[madhatter]

Weirdly I agree. I sniff trouble with him. Also not a particularly good footballer.

You seriously suggesting you sniff trouble about Kamberi? Surely you can smell something about our manager as well...after all he has been suspended.

[Sir David Gray]

I know its the s*n and the sunday mail, but reports after an argument, kamberi emptied his locker at east mains and threatened to quit. Hibs need some sort of communication to prevent the media from spreading all this!

The club needs to tread very carefully about what they say on the matter if, as expected, this has turned into a legal matter.

[SquashedFrogg]

Never. Lennon's man management is shocking. He keeps critcising him even though our midfield barely create anything.

How about Lennon analyse Whittaker' s mistakes and seriously look at how bad we are defensively in defence and in midfield? If Kamberi isn't playing well and is at fault for us not scoring goals, whose at fault for conceding?

If Lennon has been slating Kamberi in private and in the public every week then I have no problem with players having issues. Lennon should deal with it in the dressing room rather than berate in the public. He also shouldnt have favourites and i get the feeling Whittaker is favoured. Maybe I'm wrong.

None of this even makes sense. Too many contradictions.

[Crab apple]

I know its the s*n and the sunday mail, but reports after an argument, kamberi emptied his locker at east mains and threatened to quit. Hibs need some sort of communication to prevent the media from spreading all this!

And also says:

‘It appears that senior players at the club made chief executive Leann Dempster aware of Lennon’s behaviour’

[ScottB]

I suppose, but theres ways of talking politically to stop rumours and not cross the line. Also theres a few ex players tourned journos/pundits who know players and staff and know whats happened, whats to stop them talking?

I suspect at most they could confirm the suspension, but that’s probably it, though it’s telling the club have elected to not even do that. Perhaps they are still awaiting legal advice or something, who knows.

The pundits will be making hay while the sun shines. Nobody knows what’s happening, so anybody who seems like they might are in demand. Whether they genuinely know anything or not, who knows, though I’ve not seen anybody outright state exactly what’s happened, beyond Tam McManus saying ‘it’s in the hands of the lawyers.’

[SquashedFrogg]

The club needs to tread very carefully about what they say on the matter if, as expected, this has turned into a legal matter.

Precisely

[proud_and_green]

Get a life FFS you snowflake!!!Aye and your point is....?

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[FifeHibs]

Weirdly I agree. I sniff trouble with him. Also not a particularly good footballer.

kamberi has attitude and baggage. He has had previous run in with managers. Never looked happy since his return. Rather Kamberi was shown the door than the manager

[FifeHibs]

Never. Lennon's man management is shocking. He keeps critcising him even though our midfield barely create anything.

How about Lennon analyse Whittaker' s mistakes and seriously look at how bad we are defensively in defence and in midfield? If Kamberi isn't playing well and is at fault for us not scoring goals, whose at fault for conceding?

If Lennon has been slating Kamberi in private and in the public every week then I have no problem with players having issues. Lennon should deal with it in the dressing room rather than berate in the public. He also shouldnt have favourites and i get the feeling Whittaker is favoured. Maybe I'm wrong.

Sorry you have confused me!

[supermcginn]

kamberi has attitude and baggage. He has had previous run in with managers. Never looked happy since his return. Rather Kamberi was shown the door than the manager

Pish

[madhatter]

None of this even makes sense. Too many contradictions.

Think it makes sense. Please highlight the contradictions, should be easy with so many as you suggest.

[FifeHibs]

You seriously suggesting you sniff trouble about Kamberi? Surely you can smell something about our manager as well...after all he has been suspended.

Yes Kamberi is trouble. He also has no interest being at Hibs. Much rather have Lennon in the dugout than Kamberi on the park.

[tamig]

kamberi has attitude and baggage. He has had previous run in with managers. Never looked happy since his return. Rather Kamberi was shown the door than the manager

What’s his previous?

[HibeeHibernian4]

I'd rather kamberi got punted than Lennon

Absolutely not.

[WeeRussell]

"The full focus of the Club is on the trip to Paisley."

Yeah, ok then...

Hahaha you’re really letting this whole thing get to you far too much. There has been a lot of hyperbole and made up nonsense on this thread over the past 48 hours, but you’re now putting yourself up there with the most ridiculous posters on this matter.

A line about focusing on the game tomorrow, and the 3 important points, rather than getting tangled up in communicating details and dealing with rumours is quite correct.

[supermcginn]

Yes Kamberi is trouble. He also has no interest being at Hibs. Much rather have Lennon in the dugout than Kamberi on the park.

Read some guff on here but that's the worst, utter drivel

[WhileTheChief..]

I’d have Lennon over Kamberi every time.

If it turns out Kamberi is the problem here then we’ve screwed up big time.

[HibeeHibernian4]

I’d have Lennon over Kamberi every time.

If it turns out Kamberi is the problem here then we’ve screwed up big time.

Kamberi is not the problem, Lennon's Butcher-esque bullying of players and complete inability to take the blame for anything ever is. This episode just goes to show what I've always said, even when Kamberi isn't scoring, he's still managing to do good for Hibs.

[madhatter]

Sorry you have confused me!

Confused you? Lennon has been a troublesome manager for the club. Bans and fines and dodgy interviews are common place. Kamberi has been poor, so has the whole team. Yet Lennon has specifically targeted Kamberi. Easy to see based on his interviews. Defence cannot stop opposition scoring and midfield struggle to pass and create chances but ignore all that, as far as Lennon is concerned it's Kamberi that's the problem.

I think it was clear what I was suggesting. Lennon has treated certain players poorly. Kamberi being one. Yet some people, you being one, seem to prefer keeping the manager which is very strange as the rumour is other players went to complain to Dempster after Kamberi stormed out. Do we back Lennon over all the players that backed Kamberi? We're going to end up with a non-existent squad then, oh well at least we have the born winner Lennon...

[B.H.F.C]

Yes Kamberi is trouble. He also has no interest being at Hibs. Much rather have Lennon in the dugout than Kamberi on the park.

It could have been that way to be fair. Except Lennon signed him and continued to play him.

Will be interesting to see if Kamberi looks more lively tomorrow.

[AugustaHibs]

Kamberi won’t play tomorrow IMO.

[Coco Bryce]

kamberi has attitude and baggage. He has had previous run in with managers. Never looked happy since his return. Rather Kamberi was shown the door than the manager

Bollocks.

[Crab apple]

I’d have Lennon over Kamberi every time.

If it turns out Kamberi is the problem here then we’ve screwed up big time.

The Sunday Mail article also suggests it was senior players who went to LD.

[WhileTheChief..]

Well at least we’ll win our next 7 or games on the bounce now that Lennon’s away.

He’s the reason we’ve been crap all season and that our strikers don’t score right?

Flo and Jamie will show us good and proper tomorrow.

[Coco Bryce]

The Sunday Mail article also suggests it was senior players who went to LD.

It was our club captain. After breaking up Lennon & Kamberi.

[The Green Goblin]

I’d have Lennon over Kamberi every time.

If it turns out Kamberi is the problem here then we’ve screwed up big time.

Has Kamberi been picking the team and playing folk out of position in different baffling formations which change from game to game for the last few months?

[ScottB]

Say Kamberi was the problem, if he was behaving unprofessionally or whatever, then it should have dealt with in much the way Lennon is now being dealt with.

If he was the problem, and Neil’s solution was to get into some sort of threatening / abusive / violent confrontation with him, then, well, more fool him.

[Hermit Crab]

Well at least we’ll win our next 7 or games on the bounce now that Lennon’s away.

He’s the reason we’ve been crap all season and that our strikers don’t score right?

Flo and Jamie will show us good and proper tomorrow.


:faf:, not likely.

[madhatter]

Hahaha you’re really letting this whole thing get to you far too much. There has been a lot of hyperbole and made up nonsense on this thread over the past 48 hours, but you’re now putting yourself up there with the most ridiculous posters on this matter.

A line about focusing on the game tomorrow, and the 3 important points, rather than getting tangled up in communicating details and dealing with rumours is quite correct.

Think you need to read more posts if you think I'm one of the most ridiculous posters on this matter. Kamberi has a smell about him supposedly, he's a troublemaker, stirring things up. Haven't you heard?

[WeeRussell]

Think you need to read more posts if you think I'm one of the most ridiculous posters on this matter. Kamberi has a smell about him supposedly, he's a troublemaker, stirring things up. Haven't you heard?

Oh no don’t worry I completely agree with you there - they are ridiculous too!

[silverhibee]

I’d have Lennon over Kamberi every time.

If it turns out Kamberi is the problem here then we’ve screwed up big time.

Pretty sure the club know who has screwed up and it ain't Kamberi who has been very professional in all of this carry on that has went on for a while now, our manager and assistant told to stay away tells you everything.

It may be that Kamberi just isn't the greatest footballer.

[HibeeHibernian4]

Well at least we’ll win our next 7 or games on the bounce now that Lennon’s away.

He’s the reason we’ve been crap all season and that our strikers don’t score right?

Flo and Jamie will show us good and proper tomorrow.

This but unironically.

[hibeerealist]

Aye and your point is....?

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Sorry P+ G that was not for you don’t know how I managed that! I was reading all this stuf about NL when I got back from the pub last night and could not believe some of the stuff being written about our manager.

one in particular I took issue with and wrote that post, ha ha seems your post copped the blame but it was for another poster (probably a yam infiltrator).

[Shrekko]

Kamberi has been murder this season but I have to agree that his form should have been dealt with differently.

Footballers are so pampered these days that it’s asking for
trouble criticising them in public.

[Stonewall]

We can just terminate his contract whenever we want though, we'd just have to pay him. If Lennon has actually done something that makes Hibs want to terminate his deal then he doesn't really have a leg to stand on.

We signed a replacement for Stokes when he was still contracted. This isn't any different. We can just say the new guy is first team coach or something and thats fine.

If Hibs are trying to go through due process and dismiss Lennon on the grounds of gross misconduct then appointing a new manager now would mean the result of the investigation under way would be deemed to have been decided in advance. The club would be leaving itself wide open.

[Callum_62]

Sun basically blaming Flo. Line about him being pulled up by his unimpressed teammates sounds like a load of pish made up to protect their pal Lenny.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/3799460/neil-lennon-florian-kamberi-garry-parker-suspension-hibs-easter-road/

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/3799488/neil-lennon-garry-parker-suspended-hibs-eddie-may-grant-murray-upset-events/

If thats true, then what the hell are we playing at?

"The tone of the meeting"

**** off with your pishy nambi pamby crap Hibs

If the 2 coaches that are taking the team tomorrow genuinely back Lennon, then I cant see how a suspension is justified

[WhileTheChief..]

Pretty sure the club know who has screwed up and it ain't Kamberi who has been very professional in all of this carry on that has went on for a while now, our manager and assistant told to stay away tells you everything.

It may be that Kamberi just isn't the greatest footballer.

I personally don’t think Kamberi is the problem.

My hope now is that Lennon has done something so outrageously bad that the club had no choice.

If it’s because he was too harsh on some senior players or some other namby pamby reason then they can all do one, LD included.

[WhileTheChief..]

Just noticed the post above mine and I swear I wrote namby pamby before seeing it there!

There’s a theme developing:wink:

[Callum_62]

Just noticed the post above mine and I swear I wrote namby pamby before seeing it there!

There’s a theme developing:wink:

I did have a chuckle to myself after reading your post

[WhileTheChief..]

If what the Sun is reporting is true then I think LD has well overstepped the mark.

[500miles]

That Sun report reads like a PR release for Lennon. The only reason I can think he'd be suddenly suspended like that is a cast iron case of gross misconduct, and whether he's good at his job or not, you don't get away with that anymore.

[madhatter]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/3799488/neil-lennon-garry-parker-suspended-hibs-eddie-may-grant-murray-upset-events/

If thats true, then what the hell are we playing at?

"The tone of the meeting"

**** off with your pishy nambi pamby crap Hibs

If the 2 coaches that are taking the team tomorrow genuinely back Lennon, then I cant see how a suspension is justified

Other side of rumour is the players have sided with Kamberi. We don't know what Lennon has done and who was present. I doubt Leeann would've taken this action without good reasons.

People making this into Kamberi vs Lennon are thinking too primatively. It's Lennon vs club, Dempster has suspended Lennon and rumours suggest a heated exchange between them, players are unhappy, fans are unhappy. This really is very similar to Butcher's time. Butcher was slated for his pre-historic methods and constantly berating players, Lennon seems to be getting backed for doing the same by some fans.

The suggestion isn't necessarily that the coaches are backing Lennon, the rumour is they were reluctant to take charge.

We will likely never know the facts but remember we are supporters of a club, it's important the club don't become the bad guy in this.

[Callum_62]

If it's not true?

When did we start believing the Scottish Sun?

The sun have often been correct with our rumours.

Anyway, the same can be said of anything then - Its not want a want to read so it must be not true

[Crab apple]

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1078352/Hibernian-Neil-Lennon-Florian-Kamberi-Scottish-Premiership

[silverhibee]

I personally don’t think Kamberi is the problem.

My hope now is that Lennon has done something so outrageously bad that the club had no choice.

If it’s because he was too harsh on some senior players or some other namby pamby reason then they can all do one, LD included.

I really can't see the club suspending the two of them for just shouting at the players as that kind of stuff happens all the time at clubs, there has to be more to it and it would suggest Lennon has done something that has found him and his assistant being suspended by the club, something serious has taken place and the club have acted.

[Callum_62]

Other side of rumour is the players have sided with Kamberi. We don't know what Lennon has done and who was present. I doubt Leeann would've taken this action without good reasons.

People making this into Kamberi vs Lennon are thinking too primatively. It's Lennon vs club, Dempster has suspended Lennon and rumours suggest a heated exchange between them, players are unhappy, fans are unhappy. This really is very similar to Butcher's time. Butcher was slated for his pre-historic methods and constantly berating players, Lennon seems to be getting backed for doing the same by some fans.

The suggestion isn't necessarily that the coaches are backing Lennon, the rumour is they were reluctant to take charge.

We will likely never know the facts but remember we are supporters of a club, it's important the club don't become the bad guy in this.

That reads very much like they back Lennon

"Backroom boys May and Murray are 100 per cent loyal to the suspended Neil Lennon and his right-hand man Garry Parker.

There’s no question ex-Falkirk manager May, 51, and former Raith Rovers gaffer Murray, 43, will be motivated to deliver only a third Premiership victory for Hibs since the end of October.

But SunSport understands that, privately, the duo were left upset by the startling turn of events on Friday afternoon.

Chief executive Leeann Dempster confronted Lennon and told him he was to stay away while a probe was launched over what happened during a terse summit between coaching staff and players over performances and results.

May and Murray were also in the room as Lennon and Parker prompted a full and frank discussion.

SunSport has learned that at times emotions ran high between all parties.

But nothing so far has come to light that would suggest anything out of the ordinary happened — no different certainly to what occurs at any other major club which is going through a
concerning period of form and a manager calls for an open debate."

[Crab apple]

I really can't see the club suspending the two of them for just shouting at the players as that kind of stuff happens all the time at clubs, there has to be more to it and it would suggest Lennon has done something that has found him and his assistant being suspended by the club, something serious has taken place and the club have acted.

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1078352/Hibernian-Neil-Lennon-Florian-Kamberi-Scottish-Premiership

Seems to have been a build up of things if the article above is to be believed.

[madhatter]

Where would fans allegiance lie if Kamberi had scored 20 goals this season? Suggestions on here of him being a troublemaker with no actual substance. I wonder if these comments would arise had he been prolific this season...

Prolific goalscorer vs manager

Or

Struggling goalscorer vs manager

Different things I guess...

[SHODAN]

That Sun piece reads as if was dictated by Lennon's PR team. "It wisnae me honest, the young forward I've been talking ***** about all season is the real bully." There's no way it's true.

[Callum_62]

Where would fans allegiance lie if Kamberi had scored 20 goals this season? Suggestions on here of him being a troublemaker with no actual substance. I wonder if these comments would arise had he been prolific this season...

Prolific goalscorer vs manager

Or

Struggling goalscorer vs manager

Different things I guess...

Wouldnt be an issue if Flo was banging them in, or contributing to the side

[Iain G]

That Sun report reads like a PR release for Lennon. The only reason I can think he'd be suddenly suspended like that is a cast iron case of gross misconduct, and whether he's good at his job or not, you don't get away with that anymore.

It's a puff piece from Lennon's media chums making it all murky and promoting him as the wronged party, the tone is very anti Hibs, even criticising the brief statement the club made, and its content is all over the place. Gutter journalism.

[madhatter]

That reads very much like they back Lennon

"Backroom boys May and Murray are 100 per cent loyal to the suspended Neil Lennon and his right-hand man Garry Parker.

There’s no question ex-Falkirk manager May, 51, and former Raith Rovers gaffer Murray, 43, will be motivated to deliver only a third Premiership victory for Hibs since the end of October.

But SunSport understands that, privately, the duo were left upset by the startling turn of events on Friday afternoon.

Chief executive Leeann Dempster confronted Lennon and told him he was to stay away while a probe was launched over what happened during a terse summit between coaching staff and players over performances and results.

May and Murray were also in the room as Lennon and Parker prompted a full and frank discussion.

SunSport has learned that at times emotions ran high between all parties.

But nothing so far has come to light that would suggest anything out of the ordinary happened — no different certainly to what occurs at any other major club which is going through a
concerning period of form and a manager calls for an open debate."

Other journalists have said they were reluctant to take charge. Also this article is written in a way to sell the story. Nobody from the club should be talking about this or it is another disciplinary. Yet they are reporting that the pair of them are both 100% behind Lennon. How does the Sun know that?

Also surely if they were 100% behind Lennon they'd ask for gardening leave? Maybe not but I'd have thought they'd join Parker with that.

[B.H.F.C]

The stories in the Sunday Mail and The Express are a bit more neutral than the one in The Sun IMO.

All involve Kamberi, only The Sun make reference to players not being happy with him.

There is probably a bit of guess work involved in them all.

[madhatter]

Wouldnt be an issue if Flo was banging them in, or contributing to the side

What if Kamberi was banging them in but reported Lennon to Leeann for bullying one of his teammates? Let's be honest, fans are fickle. Imagine the story was:
"Cup Winning legend Sir David Gray reports Lennon to Leeann. It is rumoured Gray was extremely unhappy with the treatment of his teammate. Gray is also suggested to have indicated the team's displeasure at how Lennon is selecting teams".

[neil7908]

That Sun piece reads as if was dictated by Lennon's PR team. "It wisnae me honest, the young forward I've been talking ***** about all season is the real bully." There's no way it's true.

Yup. We need to wait for the facts before laying blame but Dempster has been around football for a long time.

As have the likes of Gray, McGregor and other senior players in the squad. They will all know what normal dressing room behaviour is like. Stevenson and Hanlon played under Butcher and Malpas for God's sake.

There is absolutely no way that we are in the current position due to frank and forthright dressing room discussions.

Not saying Lennon has necessarily hit anyone or thrown a chair but something above and beyond has happened.

[James310]

I like Lennon, but he does come across as though he is doing us a favour by being our manager.

[The 90+2]

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/hibernian/florian-kamberi-cleared-his-locker-at-hibs-after-neil-lennon-rant-1-4863120

[GibbytheHibby2]

I like Lennon, but he does come across as though he is doing us a favour by being our manager.

Agreed

[The 90+2]

There you go. The actual facts. Not written by Lennons pals in the weege. Senior players where David Gray and McGregor as said earlier in thread. Constant bullying of the boy and Gray was on his way out as was Bartley who came in and was professional on Weds.

[Hibeesmad]

All sounds a bit crazy to me. Kamberi said when signing that Lennon was one of the biggest factors in his decision to sign. As soon as Lenny tells him he ain’t playing to the level he can he makes a fuss about it?

[The 90+2]

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1078352/Hibernian-Neil-Lennon-Florian-Kamberi-Scottish-Premiership
Scott Burns I know is close to the club so this is probably as close to the truth you’re going to get.

[Callum_62]

All sounds a bit crazy to me. Kamberi said when signing that Lennon was one of the biggest factors in his decision to sign. As soon as Lenny tells him he ain’t playing to the level he can he makes a fuss about it?

Id like to know Flos GPS stats from this year against last


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[The 90+2]

All sounds a bit crazy to me. Kamberi said when signing that Lennon was one of the biggest factors in his decision to sign. As soon as Lenny tells him he ain’t playing to the level he can he makes a fuss about it?

He got ripped to shreds in the dressing room when we lost in the league cup and it’s been going on since then.

[Jones28]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/3799488/neil-lennon-garry-parker-suspended-hibs-eddie-may-grant-murray-upset-events/

If thats true, then what the hell are we playing at?

"The tone of the meeting"

**** off with your pishy nambi pamby crap Hibs

If the 2 coaches that are taking the team tomorrow genuinely back Lennon, then I cant see how a suspension is justified

It's the Sun ffs, how many times are we going to read bu**** like this before it sinks in that actually, they don't know anymore than we do?

[Tornadoes70]

It's the Sun ffs, how many times are we going to read bu**** like this before it sinks in that actually, they don't know anymore than we do?

Very true mate.

What they don't know they'll make up to create discord and disharmony.

The oldest trick in the book.

Mon the Cabbage!!!

[Hibeesmad]

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1078352/Hibernian-Neil-Lennon-Florian-Kamberi-Scottish-Premiership
Scott Burns I know is close to the club so this is probably as close to the truth you’re going to get.

A lot of that leading towards the board basically not giving Lennon the backing he felt necessary to take the club forward

[Captain Trips]

Why are we 8th Neil behind teams that have had less backing to do things on the park than us?

Who is blame for that?

[The 90+2]

A lot of that leading towards the board basically not giving Lennon the backing he felt necessary to take the club forward

I don’t blame them. Coupled with he lost the dressing room. I mentioned it weeks ago and was called a bed wetter.

[Hibeesmad]

I don’t blame them. Coupled with he lost the dressing room. I mentioned it weeks ago and was called a bed wetter.

You think he wasn’t sacked for financial reasons?

[Billychaotic182]

You think he wasn’t sacked for financial reasons?

He is most likely sacked because he’s lost the dressing room and it’s easier to sack the manager than it is to sack the playing squad

[Hibeesmad]

He is most likely sacked because he’s lost the dressing room and it’s easier to sack the manager than it is to sack the playing squad

I don’t think he’s been sacked though, he’s been suspended.

I was asking 90+2 if what they say about Lennon losing the dressing room weeks ago is true, do they think he was not sacked due to financial reasons

[The 90+2]

I don’t think he’s been sacked though, he’s been suspended.

I was asking 90+2 if what they say about Lennon losing the dressing room weeks ago is true, do they think he was not sacked due to financial reasons

It’s tough to sack a high profile manager who has done well for the club. I wouldn’t say financial reasons but if the club was to sack Lennon early without backing him (which the board have done time and time again) then it would be harder to attract other managers. Dressing rooms been gone for months though. And it’s not “I told you so” it’s more now it been confronted a lot more posters have now came out and said their true feelings because when it’s been mentioned before by some like me it got ripped to shreds and called undercover hearts or whatever. I’ve been on at it for a couple of months because I know it was getting worse and I want the best for Hibs. I genuinely fail to see the issue with that and I wasn’t prepared to give it a rest or pipe down because I knew it would come to this.

[Dr_Regal]

Kamberi has been ****ing mince this year, that’s a fact.

[HibeeHibernian4]

Kamberi has been ****ing mince this year, that’s a fact.

Neil Lennon is responsible for this. That’s a fact.

[FilipinoHibs]

Neil Lennon is responsible for this. That’s a fact.
Playing him upfront on his own and pumping high balls to him with nobody to play off him. Mince tactics.

[HibeeHibernian4]

Playing him upfront on his own and pumping high balls to him with nobody to play off him. Mince tactics.

And yet folk expect Kamberi to be able to make that work. Laughable.