More arrests

[Onion]

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14709201.Police_say_there_would_have_been_deaths_h ad_they_deployed_enough_officers_to_stop_Rangers_v _Hibs_cup_final_pitch_invasion/?

An early insight to Police Scotland's own defence ..erm ...Report .... on the after-match events.

Looks like they've shifted their position from "couldn't have anticipated a pitch invasion" to a "fans may have died" defence :cb

Don't know where to start picking holes in this pathetic excuse from the police.

Despite the clear and present danger of deaths in the stands, one thing is 100% certain at the next Cup Final, there will be a HUGE police presence in the ground at full time to prevent fans getting onto the pitch.

[Hibs Class]

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14709201.Police_say_there_would_have_been_deaths_h ad_they_deployed_enough_officers_to_stop_Rangers_v _Hibs_cup_final_pitch_invasion/?

An early insight to Police Scotland's own defence ..erm ...Report .... on the after-match events.

Looks like they've shifted their position from "couldn't have anticipated a pitch invasion" to a "fans may have died" defence :cb

Don't know where to start picking holes in this pathetic excuse from the police.

Despite the clear and present danger of deaths in the stands, one thing is 100% certain at the next Cup Final, there will be a HUGE police presence in the ground at full time to prevent fans getting onto the pitch.

"The result of this was a pitch incursion by many thousands of Hibernian fans who were intent on celebrating their club's victory" said the Police, endorsing Petrie's after-match comments.

[--------]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/aug/28/marouane-fellaini-manchester-united-supporter-crushed-hull-city

I hope you people realise that what happened at Hull City yesterday afternoon was a DIRECT CONSEQUENCE of the EVIL BEHAVIOUR of HIBERNIAN-SUPPORTING HOOLIGANS at the Scottish Cup Final in May.

We should return the Cup to its proper home at Ibrox immediately.

:devil:

[grunt]

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14709201.Police_say_there_would_have_been_deaths_h ad_they_deployed_enough_officers_to_stop_Rangers_v _Hibs_cup_final_pitch_invasion/?

An early insight to Police Scotland's own defence ..erm ...Report .... on the after-match events. Looks like they've shifted their position from "couldn't have anticipated a pitch invasion" to a "fans may have died" defence :cb Don't know where to start picking holes in this pathetic excuse from the police.Despite the clear and present danger of deaths in the stands, one thing is 100% certain at the next Cup Final, there will be a HUGE police presence in the ground at full time to prevent fans getting onto the pitch.The article - not the police report, continues to compare these events with the 1980 Cup Final, and the article also repeats, without comment or clarification, the allegation that "up to six Rangers players and staff were assaulted and injured as they tried to leave the pitch, with captain Lee Wallace, goalscorer Andy Halliday and former Hearts player Jason Holt understood to be among those who required medical attention".

How are these papers allowed to get away with this blatant nonsense??

[GloryGlory]

How are these papers allowed to get away with this blatant nonsense??

They won't get invited to any other succulent lamb dinners at Ibrox if they don't toe the party line. :greengrin

[GloryGlory]

"The result of this was a pitch incursion by many thousands of Hibernian fans who were intent on celebrating their club's victory" said the Police, endorsing Petrie's after-match comments.

Yep. The only ones who came on the pitch with a specific intent to do violence were The Rangers supporters.

[grunt]

Yep. The only ones who came on the pitch with a specific intent to do violence were The Rangers supporters.
This is the full quote as reported by the Herald


The result of this was a pitch incursion by many thousands of Hibernian fans who were intent on celebrating their club's victory, regardless of the safety rules and laws which are designed to prevent such incursions.

It is also apparent that amongst the many thousands of fans determined to celebrate, there were a core of undesirable fans intent on 'goading' the Rangers fans and causing trouble.

Regrettably, in amongst the many thousands of Rangers fans who were able to manage their disappointment, there was also a small minority who also were intent on causing violence and disorder and responded to the provocation offered to them.

[JeMeSouviens]

This is the full quote as reported by the Herald

Funnily enough it doesn't mention that the thousands who "managed their disappointment" did so via the medium of a defiant display of anti-Catholic bigotry. :rolleyes:

[brog]

So the report says;
Re Hibs, " there were a core of undesirable fans intent on goading the Rangers fans "

Re The Rangers, " there was a small minority intent on causing violence & disorder "

At last, at last, what kept you!!! I never thought I'd see the day when the Weegie police were the first people to properly summarise the truth!!

[NAE NOOKIE]

Its funny, but all of the stories i know of hibs amd huns fams involve the huns fans getting more than their fair share back, including one getting dragged onto a bus, amd brought back to edinburgh in what can only be described as kidnap amd torture.

I suppose it depends what groups and busses you were with. Probably some green tinted specs too.

That story first started to circulate after the 1979 cup final .... the version I heard was that the poor wee soul was dumped at the Maybury roundabout dressed only in his birthday suit. I would so like it to be true considering what we went through that day after the game :greengrin

[Bristolhibby]

So the report says;
Re Hibs, " there were a core of undesirable fans intent on goading the Rangers fans "

Re The Rangers, " there was a small minority intent on causing violence & disorder "

At last, at last, what kept you!!! I never thought I'd see the day when the Weegie police were the first people to properly summarise the truth!!

I'd say those descriptions should be reversed.

A small minority intent on goading Huns. With a core of undesirable fans intent on causing violence and disorder.

J

[GloryGlory]

What's happened to the explosive Independent report??

Was it not pencilled to be released to the breathless public on 31st July or did I get the wrong end of the stick on that 1?

The report was released some weeks ago. There is a long thread on it on this forum.

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=1957&newsCategoryID=3&newsID=16434

[greenginger]

So the report says;
Re Hibs, " there were a core of undesirable fans intent on goading the Rangers fans "

Re The Rangers, " there was a small minority intent on causing violence & disorder "

At last, at last, what kept you!!! I never thought I'd see the day when the Weegie police were the first people to properly summarise the truth!!


Yeah, but it was the Rangers fans who goaded the Hibs fans first with their sectarian singing and pyrotechnics , lets not forget . :greengrin

[GloryGlory]

Yeah, but it was the Rangers fans who goaded the Hibs fans first with their sectarian singing and pyrotechnics , lets not forget . :greengrin

And their sick chanting at the then Hibs manager Alan Stubbs.

[Jack]

Has anyone kept the arrests score?

[JeMeSouviens]

Has anyone kept the arrests score?

It's something like - Hibs 3 Scottish Cup Supporters 2 :wink:

(mysteriously unattributed but with addresses in the weege - dozens :rolleyes:)

[blackpoolhibs]

That story first started to circulate after the 1979 cup final .... the version I heard was that the poor wee soul was dumped at the Maybury roundabout dressed only in his birthday suit. I would so like it to be true considering what we went through that day after the game :greengrin


:agree: :lips seal:lips seal:lips seal:lips seal:lips seal

[Onion]

I'd say those descriptions should be reversed.

A small minority intent on goading Huns. With a core of undesirable fans intent on causing violence and disorder.

J

:top marks

3% of Hibs fans in the pitch were "goading" and having a laugh at the Sevco fans.
100% of Hampden FC fans on the pitch were intent on violence.

[green day]

Another 5 appeared in court in Glasgow today - total now 70.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-37383806


BBC didn't say they were hibs fans, so I assume they were neutral :greengrin:greengrin

[Bostonhibby]

Another 5 appeared in court in Glasgow today - total now 70.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-37383806


BBC didn't say they were hibs fans, so I assume they were neutral :greengrin:greengrin
Jeez, at this rate it looks like we will be a distant fourth in the final violent assault count, a fair bit behind the rangers but miles away from west of Scotland fc and Scottish cup supporters.

Our thanks to the daily record for outing this new and dangerous group of thugs. Scotland's other shame.

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[hibs0666]

Just saw the results of a FOI request relating to cup final arrests dated 5 September.


29 huns charged
28 Hibs supporters charged
11 complaints received from huns players (tallies with Jackson's number)
5 Hibs supporters charged with assaulting hun players/staff.

[Moulin Yarns]

Just saw the results of a FOI request relating to cup final arrests dated 5 September.


29 huns charged
28 Hibs supporters charged
11 complaints received from huns players (tallies with Jackson's number)
5 Hibs supporters charged with assaulting hun players/staff.




OK, I'll bite. Source???

[Prof. Shaggy]

Just saw the results of a FOI request relating to cup final arrests dated 5 September.


29 huns charged
28 Hibs supporters charged
11 complaints received from huns players (tallies with Jackson's number)
5 Hibs supporters charged with assaulting hun players/staff.


Interesting.

Most information on investigations and proceedings conducted by public authorities is exempted under Pt 2 of the FOI Act.

[CropleyWasGod]

Interesting.

Most information on investigations and proceedings conducted by public authorities is exempted under Pt 2 of the FOI Act.

I would have thought, also, that such information as "what team do you support?" wouldn't be disclosed. Is that correct?

[hibs0666]

OK, I'll bite. Source???

Already stated source. Response to FOI request received on 5 September.

[hibs0666]

I would have thought, also, that such information as "what team do you support?" wouldn't be disclosed. Is that correct?

It has been disclosed. 29 Huns, 28 Hibs, 1 unknown.

[oconnors_strip]

OK, I'll bite. Source???

Seen someone post a freedom of information act report from police Scotland on Twitter last night, presume they wrote to the police to ask questions and got a 9 page answer. The police aren't allowed to name the players who reported being attacked due to another freedom on information act and personal disclosure etc etc.

[CropleyWasGod]

Seen someone post a freedom of information act report from police Scotland on Twitter last night, presume they wrote to the police to ask questions and got a 9 page answer. The police aren't allowed to name the players who reported being attacked due to another freedom on information act and personal disclosure etc etc.

Any chance of you cutting and pasting it?

[oconnors_strip]

Any chance of you cutting and pasting it?

Here is link to the tweet https://twitter.com/sheenahibs/status/777499101965455361

[Bostonhibby]

Interesting.

Most information on investigations and proceedings conducted by public authorities is exempted under Pt 2 of the FOI Act.
Is an FOI disclosure possible with charges pending?

If there are 11 complaints where charges have been raised then the statements will eventually be matters of public records and the 11 victims and the nature of their "assaults" will finally be revealed.

As I said when I was lying on the pitch at hampden, I smell horses hit.

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[Prof. Shaggy]

I would have thought, also, that such information as "what team do you support?" wouldn't be disclosed. Is that correct?

I'd be surprised if that was included in any Official record!

[hibs0666]

I'd be surprised if that was included in any Official record!

Prepare to be surprised. :wink:

[CropleyWasGod]

Here is link to the tweet https://twitter.com/sheenahibs/status/777499101965455361

Thanks for that.

[MrSmith]

IMO it doesn't look right? Some of the text differs in clarity, boldness and type. To me it looks like a re-done doc and then photo'd in hope it wouldn't reveal the imperfections.

Look closely

[hibs0666]

IMO it doesn't look right? Some of the text differs in clarity, boldness and type. To me it looks like a re-done doc and then photo'd in hope it wouldn't reveal the imperfections.

Look closely

You've been watching too much Taggart mate.

[CropleyWasGod]

IMO it doesn't look right? Some of the text differs in clarity, boldness and type. To me it looks like a re-done doc and then photo'd in hope it wouldn't reveal the imperfections.

Look closely

Looking at the whole document.... which someone else will cut and paste :greengrin.... it looks convincing.

The woman who retweeted it is a lawyer (and a Hibby), so I'm relying on her judgement. :agree:

[greenginger]

Looking at the whole document.... which someone else will cut and paste :greengrin.... it looks convincing.

The woman who retweeted it is a lawyer (and a Hibby), so I'm relying on her judgement. :agree:


A Hibby from Peterhead. :confused:

I see the charges listed relating to Hibs supporters include possession of alcohol, consumption of alcohol , possession of drugs, and doing something without a license that required a license .

no rangers supporter charged with any alcohol related offence.

[Moulin Yarns]

Already out of date as the latest figure is 70 arrests.

[Jack Hackett]

A Hibby from Peterhead. :confused:

I see the charges listed relating to Hibs supporters include possession of alcohol, consumption of alcohol , possession of drugs, and doing something without a license that required a license .

no rangers supporter charged with any alcohol related offence.

Looking at those charges, are any of them actually related to the after match disorder, or have they just been lumped together to up the tally to match the 'West of Scotland FC' arrests to make us look as bad as them?

[CropleyWasGod]

A Hibby from Peterhead. :confused:

I see the charges listed relating to Hibs supporters include possession of alcohol, consumption of alcohol , possession of drugs, and doing something without a license that required a license .

no rangers supporter charged with any alcohol related offence.

That intrigues me....

Did anyone drive on to the park?

Shoot anyone?

Try and get married?

Does one need a licence to lamp Lee Wallace?

[Peevemor]

That intrigues me....

Did anyone drive on to the park?

Shoot anyone?

Try and get married?

Does one need a licence to lamp Lee Wallace?

Dodgy copy of photoshop? :dunno:

[lord bunberry]

That intrigues me....

Did anyone drive on to the park?

Shoot anyone?

Try and get married?

Does one need a licence to lamp Lee Wallace?

Beating the Huns in a final probably requires a license

[Killiehibbie]

That intrigues me....

Did anyone drive on to the park?

Shoot anyone?

Try and get married?

Does one need a licence to lamp Lee Wallace?Street trading, busking or something like that.

[Smartie]

That intrigues me....

Did anyone drive on to the park?

Shoot anyone?

Try and get married?

Does one need a licence to lamp Lee Wallace?

Possession of a firearm?

What if we'd had to defend our players from them in the event of a The Rangers win?

[TrinityHibs]

That intrigues me....

Did anyone drive on to the park?

Shoot anyone?

Try and get married?

Does one need a licence to lamp Lee Wallace?

You need a license for complementary therapy services, social care services, Party planning and my favourite sports and recreation goods retail, hire and REPAIR.

Just in case you need it for the future

https://www.gov.uk/licence-finder/sectors

[Galahibby]

A Hibby from Peterhead. :confused:


Glory hunter :wink:

[blackpoolhibs]

A Hibby from Peterhead. :confused:

I see the charges listed relating to Hibs supporters include possession of alcohol, consumption of alcohol , possession of drugs, and doing something without a license that required a license .

no rangers supporter charged with any alcohol related offence.

No, she's a north of Scotland football fan. :wink:

[joe breezy]

That intrigues me....

Did anyone drive on to the park?

Shoot anyone?

Try and get married?

Does one need a licence to lamp Lee Wallace?

I did a wee wiggle on the pitch in front of a bizzie wifey.
I was fishing....for compliments

[marinello59]

That intrigues me....

Did anyone drive on to the park?

Shoot anyone?

Try and get married?

Does one need a licence to lamp Lee Wallace?

The question that hasn't been answered is how many arrests were made directly as a result of incidents on the pitch.

[CropleyWasGod]

The question that hasn't been answered is how many arrests were made directly as a result of incidents on the pitch.
Question 1. as a result of the pitch invasion, how many people were charged?

Not quite the same, but.....
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[Keith_M]

It has been disclosed. 29 Huns, 28 Hibs, 1 unknown.


Do you have a breakdown of what they were charged with?

Do you also have a list of names of the 11 allegedly assaulted?


Thanks.

[Mikey]

That intrigues me....

Did anyone drive on to the park?

Shoot anyone?

Try and get married?

Does one need a licence to lamp Lee Wallace?

Stokesy needed a licence from Uber. He transported Tavernier around Hampden all afternoon in his back pocket.

[CropleyWasGod]

Do you have a breakdown of what they were charged with?

Do you also have a list of names of the 11 allegedly assaulted?


Thanks.
Your first question is answered on the FOI response.

The second won't be until the cases are heard.

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[greenginger]

And how many players were physical assaults and how many verbal assaults. ?

[Keith_M]

Your first question is answered on the FOI response.

The second won't be until the cases are heard.

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I haven't read the FOI so....


Does it say what the 11 members of playing staff claim to have happened, e.g. is it physical assault or verbally abuse?

[CropleyWasGod]

I haven't read the FOI so....


Does it say what the 11 members of playing staff claim to have happened, e.g. is it physical assault or verbally abuse?
https://twitter.com/sheenahibs/status/777499101965455361

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[Jack Hackett]

Question 1. as a result of the pitch invasion, how many people were charged?

Not quite the same, but.....
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This, to me, is a pretty good example of Polis Glesgie being 'economical with the truth'....pretty much in the same way as their pals in the press.

....Having now read that on my desktop, I notice a lack of numbers for each offence. The whole reply is a crock of

[hibs0666]

And how many players were physical assaults and how many verbal assaults. ?

Its a bit pointless as the law does not make a distinction.

[jonty]

That intrigues me....

Did anyone drive on to the park?

Shoot anyone?

Try and get married?

Does one need a licence to lamp Lee Wallace?

Someone tried to marry Conrad. hibs.net fact.

[CropleyWasGod]

This, to me, is a pretty good example of Polis Glesgie being 'economical with the truth'....pretty much in the same way as their pals in the press.

....Having now read that on my desktop, I notice a lack of numbers for each offence. The whole reply is a crock of
In what way?

The question was asked, and answered.

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[ancient hibee]

Far be it for me to be a Doubting Thomas but how could people be charged with alcohol and controlled substance abuses when there were no arrests on the day?

[Jack Hackett]

In what way?

The question was asked, and answered.

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They have stated 58 arrests in connection with the invasion. 7 categories of offences for Hibs fans, only 3 for the huns...the difference is the alcohol related stuff, some of which may have happened in or around Hampden, but I seriously doubt they had anything to do with the disorder.

[hibs0666]

They have stated 58 arrests in connection with the invasion. 7 categories of offences for Hibs fans, only 3 for the huns...the difference is the alcohol related stuff, some of which may have happened in or around Hampden, but I seriously doubt they had anything to do with the disorder.

But so what?

[Tomsk]

Its a bit pointless as the law does not make a distinction.

I don't know what you mean, but words alone are not sufficient to form an assault.

[hibs0666]

I don't know what you mean, but words alone are not sufficient to form an assault.

Yup so the people charged with assault have taken a swing. The notion of someone being charged with verbal assault is meaningless.

[Jack Hackett]

But so what?

So they are not being entirely truthful, are they? Or is that OK with you?

[CockneyRebel]

Glory hunter :wink:

I resemble that remark!

[CockneyRebel]

Its a bit pointless as the law does not make a distinction.

Surely it does - physical assault/verbal abuse. How can you verbally assault someone - unless your'e singing the Sash.

[malcolm]

Yup so the people charged with assault have taken a swing. The notion of someone being charged with verbal assault is meaningless.

But it is daft to use the term 'verbal assault' when it is really totally meaningless. A swing or a kick are not assault where no significant physical contact is made without other essentials. At best verbals to go along with a fresh air swing are a factor in supporting the essentials of an assault without contact - the intent to cause harm and fear arising in the prospective recipient that they will suffer bodily harm. Arguably even contact is not necessarily enough for an assault - it is not like the simplistic tosh about penalty claims spouted by some pundits of contact = penalty. So if I gently pat you patronisingly on the back it's not by default an assault.

Mind you since the whole Sevco team seemed fearful of the opposition beating them on the pitch , a few joyful exuberant fans shouting GIRUY etc may well have caused them fearful soiling of the nether regions.:wink:

[Kojock]

Far be it for me to be a Doubting Thomas but how could people be charged with alcohol and controlled substance abuses when there were no arrests on the day?

Because the would have to send the substance for analysis.

[The Pointer]

Far be it for me to be a Doubting Thomas but how could people be charged with alcohol and controlled substance abuses when there were no arrests on the day?


My thinking. You can't retrospectively accuse someone of having had a spliff in their back pocket unless it was the size of 'Jimmy the Joint's' back in the day.

[Liberal Hibby]

Do you have a breakdown of what they were charged with?

Do you also have a list of names of the 11 allegedly assaulted?


Thanks.

Does it say 11 sevco were assaulted or that 11 made complaints? Nine players could simply be complaining to the police they saw two players assaulted - the number so far where Hibs fans have been prosecuted for.

[CropleyWasGod]

Does it say 11 sevco were assaulted or that 11 made complaints? Nine players could simply be complaining to the police they saw two players assaulted - the number so far where Hibs fans have been prosecuted for.
It says neither.

It says that 11 complaints were made by football staff. It doesn't say from which team.




https://twitter.com/sheenahibs/status/777499101965455361

[greenginger]

Looking again at the foi answer, I see at para 9 , five individuals with affiliations to Hibs charged with assault on members of Rangers f c.

They also seem to be getting mixed up with the charges.

para 4 says that there were Rangers fans who received police warnings but that offence is not listed against Hibs fans.
But at para 8 it says two Hibs fans were dealt with by police warnings and no Rangers fans were dealt with in this manner.

Too many complicated questions for the plods !

[MrSmith]

Looking again at the foi answer, I see at para 9 , five individuals with affiliations to Hibs charged with assault on members of Rangers f c.

They also seem to be getting mixed up with the charges.

para 4 says that there were Rangers fans who received police warnings but that offence is not listed against Hibs fans.
But at para 8 it says two Hibs fans were dealt with by police warnings and no Rangers fans were dealt with in this manner.

Too many complicated questions for the plods !


I really don't think its a valid doc. The more I look the more it looks like a mash up and I'm certain no docs are released under FOI if its an ongoing case although not 100% certain.

[CropleyWasGod]

I really don't think its a valid doc. The more I look the more it looks like a mash up and I'm certain no docs are released under FOI if its an ongoing case although not 100% certain.

You may be right. However, the woman who tweeted it is a criminal defence lawyer. On that basis, I'm inclined to believe it.

[Keith_M]

You may be right. However, the woman who tweeted it is a criminal defence lawyer. On that basis, I'm inclined to believe it.


That of course is your choice but I have serious doubts about the veracity of this document and it seems I'm not alone.

It's not helped by the fact that it is being pushed on here by someone that, going by the history of his/her comments, is either not a genuine Hibs Supporter or is someone with a serious grudge against Hibs Supporters and the Club in general.


The sad truth of the matter is that there are some real saddos out there that get a kick from going on rival Fans websites purely to wind them up. There are others that do similar on Social Media, which is the only source we currently have for this document.

The document itself appears to be at the same time both vague and contradictory.

[greenginger]

I think it's a genuine FoI response , just the kind of confused , contradictory, half truth answers you would expect from Police Scotland. Aka the Glasgow Polis .

[hibs0666]

That of course is your choice but I have serious doubts about the veracity of this document and it seems I'm not alone.

It's not helped by the fact that it is being pushed on here by someone that, going by the history of his/her comments, is either not a genuine Hibs Supporter or is someone with a serious grudge against Hibs Supporters and the Club in general.


The sad truth of the matter is that there are some real saddos out there that get a kick from going on rival Fans websites purely to wind them up. There are others that do similar on Social Media, which is the only source we currently have for this document.

The document itself appears to be at the same time both vague and contradictory.

Are you referring to me perchance?

[Ants]

I asked the FOI the following questions:-

To: FOI
Subject: Scottish Cup Final Arrests

Good Afternoon,
Would it be possible to provide me with the latest data:-
1. Total number of arrests relating to the pitch invasion.
2. Total number of Hibernian supporters arrested who have been tried and found guilty.
3. Total number of Hibernian supporters arrested who have been tried and found not guilty or not proven.
4. Total number of Hibernian supporters pending trial.
5. Total number of Rangers supporters arrested who have been tried and found guilty.
6. Total number of Rangers supporters arrested who have been tried and found not guilty or not proven.
7. Total number of Rangers supporters pending trial.

The reply I got is below:-

NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED

Good afternoon

Thank you for your request for information from the Service under FOISA.

We have had a number of requests on this topic and I have provided those recent and relevant to your request as attached.

This should provide you with more data than you probably require, but will give you a greater awareness of the debate which surrounds this matter.

In response to your questions 2 to 7 inclusive, I must advise that this data is not held in any event. In relation to charges brought in relation to the incident, I can advise you that Police Scotland does not hold the information requested by you. In terms of Section 17 of the Act, this letter represents a formal notice that information is not held.

By way of explanation, the role of the police in Scotland, in relation to crimes and offences, is to investigate the circumstances and where sufficient evidence exists to then report the matter to the relevant Procurator Fiscal. It is a matter for the Procurator Fiscal to decide on and to progress any prosecution through the courts. The disposal in relation to cases reported to the Procurator Fiscal is not routinely passed to the police, therefore, the Force do not hold the information requested in relation to convictions.


I also got supplied with various other requests relating to that glorious day, extracts below:-

Could you please tell me if any formal complaints were made to the police by
Rangers FC, or any of its players, regarding being assaulted at Hampden Park on
May 21st 2016?

As you will be aware, at the conclusion of the Scottish Cup Final on 21st May 2016, there
was a significant pitch incursion involving both sets of supporters. This led to serious
public disorder where a number of criminal offences were committed and a significant
number of Complaints about the Police were made by members of the public. Police
Scotland are now conducting investigations in relation to both the crimes and the
complaints. Additionally, the Scottish Football Association have commissioned their own
independent review to be carried out by Sherriff Principal Edward Bowen CBE.
In terms of Section 18 of the Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002 (the Act) Police
Scotland can neither confirm nor deny that it holds the information requested by you.

(1) How many arrests were made inside the stadium?
4 arrests were made inside the grounds
(2) How many of those as a percentage were for assault/hindering etc?
50%
(3) If included in the information you have or can be deduced by. What team was
each offender affiliated too?
Hibernian
(4) Did anyone make a complaint about attempted child abduction at the game or
after relating to the game?
No

[CropleyWasGod]

That of course is your choice but I have serious doubts about the veracity of this document and it seems I'm not alone.

It's not helped by the fact that it is being pushed on here by someone that, going by the history of his/her comments, is either not a genuine Hibs Supporter or is someone with a serious grudge against Hibs Supporters and the Club in general.


The sad truth of the matter is that there are some real saddos out there that get a kick from going on rival Fans websites purely to wind them up. There are others that do similar on Social Media, which is the only source we currently have for this document.

The document itself appears to be at the same time both vague and contradictory.
I've just had a Twitter conversation with the woman who Tweeted the FOI request.

She made the request in the first place. What she posted is the response she got.

According to her bio, she is a criminal defence lawyer, and a Hibby. Her timeline bears that out.

Her opinion is that it is genuine, but that it's "slapdash".



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[MrSmith]

I've just had a Twitter conversation with the woman who Tweeted the FOI request.

She made the request in the first place. What she posted is the response she got.

According to her bio, she is a criminal defence lawyer, and a Hibby. Her timeline bears that out.

Her opinion is that it is genuine, but that it's "slapdash".


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cool and well done :)

[skipster7]

http://m.eastlothiancourier.com/news/14761009.Junior_footballer_jailed_for_Scottish_Cup _final_assault/
Severely provoked..

[Northernhibee]

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?/topic/300298-another-bear-jailed-sc-final/

Quite scary the amount of hatred on that thread. Condoning kicking a man in the head. Awful.

[scoopyboy]

http://m.eastlothiancourier.com/news/14761009.Junior_footballer_jailed_for_Scottish_Cup _final_assault/
Severely provoked..

I know him and don't think he's a bad lad.

As a laddie he used to travel on the East Lothian Hibs bus and never gave us any bother. His dad used to play for Tranent and Dunbar Utd and is a good Hibby.

[greenginger]

Will the case be worth a mention in the Daily Record ?

[Northernhibee]

I know him and don't think he's a bad lad.

As a laddie he used to travel on the East Lothian Hibs bus and never gave us any bother. His dad used to play for Tranent and Dunbar Utd and is a good Hibby.

With every respect it takes a sicko/coward/both to blooter someone in the head when they're on the ground.

[scoopyboy]

With every respect it takes a sicko/coward/both to blooter someone in the head when they're on the ground.

Yeah I know that, I'm not a simpleton altogether.

I've just never seen that side of him and I've known him for about twenty years.

[greenginger]

Pack instincts !

[Jack]

With every respect it takes a sicko/coward/both to blooter someone in the head when they're on the ground.

Do we know that's what he did? No mention in the report.

[Lago]

Pack instincts !
Drink taken !

[staunchhibby]

Did this jailing make front page of the daily ******

[SteveHFC]

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?/topic/300298-another-bear-jailed-sc-final/

Quite scary the amount of hatred on that thread. Condoning kicking a man in the head. Awful.

Some of the stuff being said in that thread is vile.

[Kojock]

Some of the stuff being said in that thread is vile.

And that surprises you how ??

[staunchhibby]

Just shows there mentality and iq which is zero.They are vile people

[tamig]

Yeah I know that, I'm not a simpleton altogether.

I've just never seen that side of him and I've known him for about twenty years.

I take it he doesn't support the Hibees now then? I do understand there are occasionally fisticuffs between fans of the same club though.

[beensaidbefore]

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?/topic/300298-another-bear-jailed-sc-final/

Quite scary the amount of hatred on that thread. Condoning kicking a man in the head. Awful.

Hilarious reading. The guy wouldn't have been kicked in the head if he hadn't been on the pitch!

[Pete]

I take it he doesn't support the Hibees now then? I do understand there are occasionally fisticuffs between fans of the same club though.

Articles say he's a Rangers thug who booted a hibs fan in the head while he was in the ground so he can't have much love for us any more.

Grew up in East Lothian (presumably) with a Hibs supporting dad yet he turns into a fan of a team from Glasgow. **** him.

[tamig]

Articles say he's a Rangers thug who booted a hibs fan in the head while he was in the ground so he can't have much love for us any more.

Grew up in East Lothian (presumably) with a Hibs supporting dad yet he turns into a fan of a team from Glasgow. **** him.
Strange indeed. I'm from East Lothian myself and used to travel on the Tranent bus in the early 80s. Can't fathom how someone could switch to them after following us away from home. Crazy.

[Bostonhibby]

Strange indeed. I'm from East Lothian myself and used to travel on the Tranent bus in the early 80s. Can't fathom how someone could switch to them after following us away from home. Crazy.
At least it's not that easy for this the hun numpty to hide behind the west of Scotland / Scottish cup supporter smoke screen, and however it's dressed up it's a hun thug on the pitch for one reason only.

Sounds like their legal defence fund and top legal advice crap is working well.

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[scoopyboy]

I take it he doesn't support the Hibees now then? I do understand there are occasionally fisticuffs between fans of the same club though.

He never supported Hibs, came on the bus with his dad and his pals. Too young to go to Ibrox I would imagine.

[Basildon Hibs]

Articles say he's a Rangers thug who booted a hibs fan in the head while he was in the ground so he can't have much love for us any more.

Grew up in East Lothian (presumably) with a Hibs supporting dad yet he turns into a fan of a team from Glasgow. **** him.


Correct. I also hope he has to watch his back when 'doing bird' - and when he comes out ...:agree:

[w pilton hibby]

Police Scotland looking for another 14 suspects:

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/new-images-of-scottish-cup-final-disorder-suspects-released-1-4246358

[Onion]

Police Scotland looking for another 14 suspects:

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/new-images-of-scottish-cup-final-disorder-suspects-released-1-4246358

The time & financial cost to Police Scotland and the court system must be massive by now, and pulling resources away from much more serious crime investigation.

Despite what any official "report" says, the Scottish government must be asking serious questions about what the hell the police were doing on the day at FT. It's the one thing the Rangers were right to question in all their madness.

You can guarantee 100% they will have a huge police contingent at future finals to stop fans from getting onto the pitch, even if it "puts lives at risk" (ahem).

[Jack Hackett]

The time & financial cost to Police Scotland and the court system must be massive by now, and pulling resources away from much more serious crime investigation.

Despite what any official "report" says, the Scottish government must be asking serious questions about what the hell the police were doing on the day at FT. It's the one thing the Rangers were right to question in all their madness.

You can guarantee 100% they will have a huge police contingent at future finals to stop fans from getting onto the pitch, even if it "puts lives at risk" (ahem).

Ahem indeed....the hyperbole surrounding the events that day rival that of Clinton v Trump

[trev the hat]

Police Scotland looking for another 14 suspects:

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/new-images-of-scottish-cup-final-disorder-suspects-released-1-4246358

Aw FFS
😎

[scoopyboy]

Police Scotland looking for another 14 suspects:

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/new-images-of-scottish-cup-final-disorder-suspects-released-1-4246358

Seemingly it's going to take around about a year for all the people to be charged.

Waste of the public's money IMO.

[Bostonhibby]

Bloody waste of public money now unless they are just trying to save hun face by knicking a few more hibbies to make the hun arrest figures a bit more respectable.

A bit embarrassing that plod still haven't identified the West of Scotland football FC fan in the blue top though. Not a hibby and definitely Minty of Eastenders fame. If they can't crack it themselves just ask Phil Mitchell.

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[The Green Goblin]

Seemingly it's going to take around about a year for all the people to be charged.

Waste of the public's money IMO.

Guy bottom left is wearing a suit. Thought it was Stubbs for a moment...:greengrin:greengrin

[greenlex]

Guy bottom left is wearing a suit. Thought it was Stubbs for a moment...:greengrin:greengrin

The guy next to him is Warburton!!!!

[lord bunberry]

Apparently the spokesman for the vanguard bears is now being hunted for invading the pitch :faf::faf::faf:

[Kato]

Apparently the spokesman for the vanguard bears is now being hunted for invading the pitch :faf::faf::faf:

I thought Bear Hunting was banned. :dizzy:

[lord bunberry]

I thought Bear Hunting was banned. :dizzy:
It is, this is another catholic conspiracy :greengrin

[Bostonhibby]

Apparently the spokesman for the vanguard bears is now being hunted for invading the pitch :faf::faf::faf:
Pretty sure even plod will be able to catch this one then.

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[Moulin Yarns]

Apparently the spokesman for the vanguard bears is now being hunted for invading the pitch :faf::faf::faf:




OFFICERS are keen to speak to Gary Lenaghan, who acted as a spokesman for the supporters' group, over the disorder at the final between Rangers and Hibs in May.
A HIGH-PROFILE Rangers fan has been unmasked as one of the Hampden pitch invaders wanted by police.
Officers are keen to speak with Gary Lenaghan, who has acted as a spokesman for the Vanguard Bears supporters’ group, over the disorder at the Scottish Cup Final in May.

We asked him if he was a prominent member of the Vanguard Bears. He denied it.
Leneghan, 55, has been widely named on social media as one of 14 men whose pictures were released by police at the weekend.
Seventy-six people have already been arrested in connection with disorder at the final between Rangers (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/all-about/rangers-fc) and Hibs (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/all-about/hibernian-fc) in May.

Lenaghan, from Belfast’s tough Shankill district, has been heavily involved in campaigns involving Rangers.
He has appeared on television and radio, and has been photographed with manager Mark Warburton, club legend Michael Mols and Northern Ireland first minister Arlene Foster

When we spoke to taxi driver Lenaghan about the police appeal, he said: “I honestly don’t know. I’ve had phone calls about it all morning.
“I have an appointment with a solicitor to find out what it’s about – or if it is even me. I can’t speak about it. It’s a live case.”
Asked if he was a prominent member of the Vanguard Bears, Lenaghan said: “Someone else has mentioned that, but
no. I am a prominent community worker in Belfast.

“I’ve absolutely no comment to make until I speak with a legal representative.”

In 2012, Lenaghan and fellow Vanguard Bears member Tommy Mathers spoke about the group to the Shankill Mirror in Belfast. Leneghan said: “We are very active in defending the views of the PUL [Protestant, Unionist, Loyalist] communities in both Ulster and Scotland.

“Vanguard Bears are a proactive group set up to defend the traditions of Rangers, along with all aspects of traditions within the PUL community, including the right to remain British.”



Looks like bears do ****, maybe not just in the woods :wink:

[marinello59]

Apparently the spokesman for the vanguard bears is now being hunted for invading the pitch :faf::faf::faf:

So that's why they started the fund to pay the legal fees of all arrested Sevconians.

[Bostonhibby]

So that's why they started the fund to pay the legal fees of all arrested Sevconians.
Beat me to it!

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[Mikey]

In 2012, Lenaghan and fellow Vanguard Bears member Tommy Mathers spoke about the group to the Shankill Mirror in Belfast. Leneghan said: “We are very active in defending the views of the PUL [Protestant, Unionist, Loyalist] communities in both Ulster and Scotland.

“Vanguard Bears are a proactive group set up to defend the traditions of Rangers, along with all aspects of traditions within the PUL community, including the right to remain British.”

It's a shame they don't put the same time and effort into being reasonable and decent human beings.

[Bostonhibby]

It's a shame they don't put the same time and effort into being reasonable and decent human beings.
Never catch on Mikey, not whilst they've got a van and a wall to guard.

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[Kavinho]

"I have an appointment with a solicitor to find out if it's even me"

!!!!
brilliant. .


Q : Were you at the game?
A : Aye
Q : Did you go on the pitch
A : Aye.

Its you then.

[givescotlandfreedom]

"I have an appointment with a solicitor to find out if it's even me"

!!!!
brilliant. .


Q : Were you at the game?
A : Aye
Q : Did you go on the pitch
A : Aye.

Its you then.

His defence sounds worse then Sevco's :)

[Bostonhibby]

"I have an appointment with a solicitor to find out if it's even me"

!!!!
brilliant. .


Q : Were you at the game?
A : Aye
Q : Did you go on the pitch
A : Aye.

Its you then.
Perfectly normal behaviour, every time I see a picture of myself I immediately seek legal advice to confirm it's me. Doesn't everyone?



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[CropleyWasGod]

Perfectly normal behaviour, every time I see a picture of myself I immediately seek legal advice to confirm it's me. Doesn't everyone?



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I do that every time I post on here.

Doesn't everyone?

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[Pete]

It's a shame they don't put the same time and effort into being reasonable and decent human beings.

The alarm bells were ringing as soon as I heard the name "vanguard bears".

You can't judge a book by its cover but I'll put my mortgage on the this boy and his mates being the worst type of bigot.

As for the legal fees, that's a beauty!

[Eyrie]

I do that every time I post on here.

Doesn't everyone?

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Probably a good idea in your case. Wasn't there a very similarly named poster for a while?

[Hezbelle]

Perfectly normal behaviour, every time I see a picture of myself I immediately seek legal advice to confirm it's me. Doesn't everyone?



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:faf::faf:

[cabbageandribs1875]

Looks like bears do ****, maybe not just in the woods :wink:



and he/it's 55 years old...dearie me :rolleyes: he/it has some growing up to do, although at that age i doubt he/it will ever change

[Jumbo]

According to 'Scotzine' on twitter, the Vanguard Bear is the childsnatcher from Hampden :fuming:

[Killiehibbie]

According to 'Scotzine' on twitter, the Vanguard Bear is the childsnatcher from Hampden :fuming:All they had to do was follow the trail of Haribo's to find him!

[Bostonhibby]

According to 'Scotzine' on twitter, the Vanguard Bear is the childsnatcher from Hampden :fuming:
Surely not? they were only on the pitch defending their players.

Ah well, if true at least we might get to the explanation of why the child was seized and carried away from his carer.



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[CropleyWasGod]

According to 'Scotzine' on twitter, the Vanguard Bear is the childsnatcher from Hampden :fuming:

There is bad blood between Scotzine and the Vanguard Bears, so they not be the best of sources.

In any event, I would have thought that the "childsnatcher" would have been lifted in the first wave.

[brog]

There is bad blood between Scotzine and the Vanguard Bears, so they not be the best of sources.

In any event, I would have thought that the "childsnatcher" would have been lifted in the first wave.

It looks very like him but early on IIRC the guy kicking a Hibs fan in the head was named as being from Belfast. Could be the same one, only if the Polis tell him it is of course!! :wink:

[silverhibee]

My money is on the dude from Dumbarton who pled guilty to a number of assaults as being the child snatcher, it was mentioned on his Facebook page about " snatching the wean from the pitch ". :cb

[johnbc70]

I wonder how much this whole saga has cost when you add up all the hours spent by Police Scotland, SFA and the various investigations by their lawyers and sheriffs etc, Hibs, Rangers, their lawyers and everyone else. I bet it's significant when all added together.

[greenginger]

I wonder how much this whole saga has cost when you add up all the hours spent by Police Scotland, SFA and the various investigations by their lawyers and sheriffs etc, Hibs, Rangers, their lawyers and everyone else. I bet it's significant when all added together.


It sure has, but for all the enquires, all the statements, all the SMSM bullsh*t , no one has answered the simple question.

Where were the 120 stadium based police officers at the end of the game ?????????

[Bostonhibby]

It sure has, but for all the enquires, all the statements, all the SMSM bullsh*t , no one has answered the simple question.

Where were the 120 stadium based police officers at the end of the game ?????????
On their way to ibrox at the whim of the huns because they thought they'd won their first ever Scottish cup?

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[SouthMoroccoStu]

Where were the 120 stadium based police officers at the end of the game ?????????

Outside the ground fighting with the rioting Huns

[IWasThere2016]

On their way to ibrox at the whim of the huns because they thought they'd won their first ever Scottish cup?

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And the join in the party..

[660]

Some comedy here http://fb.me/80m5ZGYg4

Don't read the comments if you value your sanity.

[Moulin Yarns]

Some comedy here http://fb.me/80m5ZGYg4

Don't read the comments if you value your sanity.


There is one sane voice among the demented



Tony Campbell I normally enjoy your posts and agree with almost all of them but on this occasion? I simply can't. Your view point is wrong. Yes hibs fans entered the field of play and yes some went on to abuse players and head straight to the rfc fans to wind us up and maybe spit and abuse us. That is shocking that was allowed to happen and the police stewarding was terrible. But EVERY rangers fan who entered the field of play done so with one thing in mind and that was for a fight. Doesn't matter what hibs fans done until we sort our own fans out we cannot take the moral high ground.
And that takes me on to another point. When you get your feet under the club 1872 table I really do hope at the top of the agenda will be to weed out the sectarian signing amongst out fans. It is holding us back and dragging us down

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Ah, Johnny Hun, such a simple creature. Makes a valid point about the proportionally higher arrests of Hunsters, and then goes and spoils it with a silly conspiracy theory based on nothing but Old Firm myopic obsession with the 'other'.

The reason fewer badly behaved Hibs supporters were identified is because they were able to merge with the thousands of celebrating Hibs fans on the field. The reason so many stupid, jailbait Huns were lifted, was because they stormed, knuckles dragging, onto an empty half of the pitch, in complete isolation, and therefore were relatively easy to identify.

Not the brightest sparks.

[Geo_1875]

Ah, Johnny Hun, such a simple creature. Makes a valid point about the proportionally higher arrests of Hunsters, and then goes and spoils it with a silly conspiracy theory based on nothing but Old Firm myopic obsession with the 'other'.

The reason fewer badly behaved Hibs supporters were identified is because they were able to merge with the thousands of celebrating Hibs fans on the field. The reason so many stupid, jailbait Huns were lifted, was because they stormed, knuckles dragging, onto an empty half of the pitch, in complete isolation, and therefore were relatively easy to identify.

Not the brightest sparks.

I think the ease with which Police Scotland are identifying The Rangers fans is possibly down to the fact that they already have most of them on one database or another.

[Kato]

There is one sane voice among the demented

Aye, they're not all wrong 'uns. Rumours going around that they will soon be collecting money to help open and fit-out a new Verbal Assault Ward at Monklands, lot's of expensive surgical equipment required to remove those horrible verbs. Ask Lee Wallace what it's like to go through that kind of operation, he'll spill the beans.

[JimBHibees]

I think the ease with which Police Scotland are identifying The Rangers fans is possibly down to the fact that they already have most of them on one database or another.

Or they were the ones scrapping for a fight, no other reason for them to be there.

[andrew70]

Or they were the ones scrapping for a fight, no other reason for them to be there.

This and only this. The delusion of the SoS post is one which sweeps right through their ****my support. I can understand why we've not but I really do wish Hibs would put them in their place because the press and SFA certainly won't do it.

[Onion]

I think the ease with which Police Scotland are identifying The Rangers fans is possibly down to the fact that they already have most of them on one database or another.

Or, Lee Wallace just recognises more Sevco fans than Hibbies :wink:

[Bostonhibby]

Ah, Johnny Hun, such a simple creature. Makes a valid point about the proportionally higher arrests of Hunsters, and then goes and spoils it with a silly conspiracy theory based on nothing but Old Firm myopic obsession with the 'other'.

The reason fewer badly behaved Hibs supporters were identified is because they were able to merge with the thousands of celebrating Hibs fans on the field. The reason so many stupid, jailbait Huns were lifted, was because they stormed, knuckles dragging, onto an empty half of the pitch, in complete isolation, and therefore were relatively easy to identify.

Not the brightest sparks.
Yep; descends into farce after a decent beginning. The arrest ratio is reflecting the fact that as a percentage far fewer hibbies entered the pitch with violence in mind, no reason.

The odd numpty aside no one looking for a fight then the the rangers fans invaded. The vast majority were looking for violence, the evidence and prosecutions shows that.

As for "other" supporters, are Sons of struth swallowing the West of Scotland football fans and Scottish cup supporters myth as well?

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[leither17]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-37597616

More mug shots

[Mikey]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-37597616

More mug shots

Presumably the fashion police are after 104.

[Super_JMcGinn]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-37597616

More mug shots


More arrests !!!


http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/four-more-arrests-following-scottish-cup-final-violence-1-4256780

[leither17]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-37642858

Another banning order

[Betty Boop]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-37642858

Another banning order

Obviously never learnt anything the first time.

[J-C]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-37642858

Another banning order


Jeez 44, you just wonder when these guys will ever grow up, I don't think I've been in a fight since I was about 15 at school.

[staunchhibby]

Obviously he did not heed the first lesson.Deserves everything he gets.

[Pete]

I'm struggling with the notion that he deserves a £2000 fine.

[JDHibs]

I'm struggling with the notion that he deserves a £2000 fine.

Repeat offender? He was given a 2 year ban back in 2013. Says it on the article.

[Deansy]

I wonder how much this whole saga has cost when you add up all the hours spent by Police Scotland, SFA and the various investigations by their lawyers and sheriffs etc, Hibs, Rangers, their lawyers and everyone else. I bet it's significant when all added together.


And all done entirely to appease the ire of a Hun who thought they 'Were back' - not forgetting the heart-break of a media (think Andy Walker who laughingly proclaimed that the after-match scenes were worse than the infamous 1980 final - 'The Battle of Hampden'!! ) who already had their headlines/bulletins of 'The club who returned from the dead' to hand and ready to print/broadcast !

[Killiehibbie]

I'm struggling with the notion that he deserves a £2000 fine.You either earn plenty or are close to getting jailed.

[Onion]

STV website states he "admitted using his mobile to take photos of Sevco fans". Admitted ? Someone pls explain.

[silverhibee]

I'm struggling with the notion that he deserves a £2000 fine.

he wil be over the moon with a fine.

[Keith_M]

he wil be over the moon with a fine.


Somebody you know?

[silverhibee]

Somebody you know?

Nope.

Yourself ?

[leither17]

he wil be over the moon with a fine.

Anyone with previous and then back up
For the same charge is lucky not to get a custodial

[Keith_M]

Nope.

Yourself ?


I just got the notion that you knew him, from your comment.

Nah, I don't recognise the name, but I think Lee Wallace does.

[Moulin Yarns]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-37671239

a few more to look at.

[The Pointer]

So many happy Hibbies. Looks like plod are now doing the rounds of fans who were allegedly swearing. When will it ever end? Zzzzzz......

[HTID]

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/14741840_1780458168895605_1854206062_n.jpg?oh=b6c2 995c14e6389b57c4d8f779e947ae&oe=58080184 I know of someone who knows someone that was on the pitch just celebrating in our end who received this letter. ST holder too:

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/14741840_1780458168895605_1854206062_n.jpg?oh=b6c2 995c14e6389b57c4d8f779e947ae&oe=58080184

[Mikey]

I know of someone who knows someone that was on the pitch just celebrating in our end who received this letter. ST holder too:



It should be pretty easy to challenge it then. If they don't have any photo or video evidence of any wrongdoing then they can't justify a ban.

[silverhibee]

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/14741840_1780458168895605_1854206062_n.jpg?oh=b6c2 995c14e6389b57c4d8f779e947ae&oe=58080184 I know of someone who knows someone that was on the pitch just celebrating in our end who received this letter. ST holder too:

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/14741840_1780458168895605_1854206062_n.jpg?oh=b6c2 995c14e6389b57c4d8f779e947ae&oe=58080184

What right do Hibs have in banning fans from away games if you can PATG. :confused:

[ancient hibee]

What right do Hibs have in banning fans from away games if you can PATG. :confused:

They're banning people from buying tickets from Hibs.Can't ban them from attending away games.

[Jack Hackett]

It seems to me that the police have run out of people involved in 'serious' incidents, and are now concentrating on anyone they can identify who was on the pitch, then passing names on to the club. I have a feeling there will be a lot of these letters going out in the near future

[givescotlandfreedom]

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/14741840_1780458168895605_1854206062_n.jpg?oh=b6c2 995c14e6389b57c4d8f779e947ae&oe=58080184 I know of someone who knows someone that was on the pitch just celebrating in our end who received this letter. ST holder too:

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/14741840_1780458168895605_1854206062_n.jpg?oh=b6c2 995c14e6389b57c4d8f779e947ae&oe=58080184

Ouch. People on the pitch might want to clear out their Facebook accounts

[Ronster117]

If banning everyone that was on the pitch is what they are planning, they better start cutting costs as the average crowd at ER will be 270. Most of which will be away fans:greengrin

[green day]

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/14741840_1780458168895605_1854206062_n.jpg?oh=b6c2 995c14e6389b57c4d8f779e947ae&oe=58080184 I know of someone who knows someone that was on the pitch just celebrating in our end who received this letter. ST holder too:

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/14741840_1780458168895605_1854206062_n.jpg?oh=b6c2 995c14e6389b57c4d8f779e947ae&oe=58080184

Christ, not more photos of letters and 20 pages of assumptions about how Hibs are targeting innocent fans........

[Jack Hackett]

Christ, not more photos of letters and 20 pages of assumptions about how Hibs are targeting innocent fans........

Thousands of fans were on the pitch and will be rightly worried about any actions from the club. Where else are they going to discuss any possible effect it will have on them?

Don't read the thread if it bothers you

[green day]

Thousands of fans were on the pitch and will be rightly worried about any actions from the club. Where else are they going to discuss any possible effect it will have on them?

Don't read the thread if it bothers you

It doesn't bother me.

What is ridiculous though is another thread (did you miss the last one?) which makes people think they are in bother simply for being on the pitch - they won't be.

The last one was blown massively out of proportion as will this one.

[Jack Hackett]

It doesn't bother me.

What is ridiculous though is another thread (did you miss the last one?) which makes people think they are in bother simply for being on the pitch - they won't be.

The last one was blown massively out of proportion as will this one.

I think the difference between that one and this, is that the letter recipient was invited to Easter Road to discuss his being on the pitch. This letter is a straight up banning order, based on a name given by the police.

[blackpoolhibs]

Has this person been charged with anything to warrant this ban? :confused:

[Jack Hackett]

Has this person been charged with anything to warrant this ban? :confused:

Reading the letter again, an 'incident' is mentioned, so it may be that the guy isn't quite as innocent as the post makes out

[green day]

I think the difference between that one and this, is that the letter recipient was invited to Easter Road to discuss his being on the pitch. This letter is a straight up banning order, based on a name given by the police.

Indeed, and the last time there were loads of outraged posts about how Hibs were dragging all the fans along for a chat - and that never happened.

It was a select few, some of whom might have actually been a bit "over exuberant" in the eyes of plod.

It will be the same this time.

I don't believe anyone on the pitch getting a selfie is in bother.

Vandalism and fighting? Different story.

Edit....see you have spotted the "incident" line now

[Jack Hackett]

Indeed, and the last time there were loads of outraged posts about how Hibs were dragging all the fans along for a chat - and that never happened.

It was a select few, some of whom might have actually been a bit "over exuberant" in the eyes of plod.

It will be the same this time.

I don't believe anyone on the pitch getting a selfie is in bother.

Vandalism and fighting? Different story.

Edit....see you have spotted the "incident" line now

Indeed.

[BoomtownHibees]

It doesn't bother me.

What is ridiculous though is another thread (did you miss the last one?) which makes people think they are in bother simply for being on the pitch - they won't be.

The last one was blown massively out of proportion as will this one.

The letter states he will be banned tho

[oldbutdim]

Spoke to a couple of blokes at the RR game who had been invited in for a chat at Hibs.

Quite amicable really. No bans in sight.

[Jack]

Perhaps this new letter is a stop short of a court case.

Unless Mr/Mrs/Mstr/Miss/Lord/Lady/Bishop/other/ whoever is under phone cover fesses up on here as to the alleged crime we won't have sufficient facts to make a qualified judgment.

[blackpoolhibs]

Reading the letter again, an 'incident' is mentioned, so it may be that the guy isn't quite as innocent as the post makes out

I saw that, but if the incident is not enough to be charged by the police why is it given a banning order?

Assuming the guy has not been charged?

[green day]

Perhaps this new letter is a stop short of a court case.

Unless Mr/Mrs/Mstr/Miss/Lord/Lady/Bishop/other/ whoever is under phone cover fesses up on here as to the alleged crime we won't have sufficient facts to make a qualified judgment.

Correctamundo

[Jack Hackett]

I saw that, but if the incident is not enough to be charged by the police why is it given a banning order?

Assuming the guy has not been charged?

As with public houses, are the club not entitled to bar anyone they please from the ground, based on general behaviour?

[Since90+2]

I saw that, but if the incident is not enough to be charged by the police why is it given a banning order?

Assuming the guy has not been charged?

As far as I can tell it's not a football banning order rather it's a ban from Easter Road. Only courts can issue banning orders not individual clubs.

[CentreLine]

Thousands of fans were on the pitch and will be rightly worried about any actions from the club. Where else are they going to discuss any possible effect it will have on them?

Don't read the thread if it bothers you

It would be unbelievable for Hibs to target people on the pitch who simply celebrated. Strongly suspect people who caused damage will be sanctioned by the club if identified. I'm still trying to get over the fact I missed the game by being on holiday 😳

[Jack Hackett]

It would be unbelievable for Hibs to target people on the pitch who simply celebrated. Strongly suspect people who caused damage will be sanctioned by the club if identified. I'm still trying to get over the fact I missed the game by being on holiday 😳

You weren't the only one, I was on a plane to Barcelona from Gatwick an hour after the game finished....Wasn't sober though :greengrin

[blackpoolhibs]

As with public houses, are the club not entitled to bar anyone they please from the ground, based on general behaviour?

They do, and each pub is different, you would get away with more in the Central bar than you might do in the Persevere?

The ground would be empty if they implemented those kind of rules. No idea what happened, but it cant be that bad i'd have thought if the police dont want to know. :confused:

[Jack Hackett]

They do, and each pub is different, you would get away with more in the Central bar than you might do in the Persevere?

The ground would be empty if they implemented those kind of rules. No idea what happened, but it cant be that bad i'd have thought if the police dont want to know. :confused:

The letter also mentions a 'protocol arrangement' between the club and the police, and as Jack suggests, this probably covers general misbehaviour which the police think should be dealt with by the club rather than criminal proceedings

[blackpoolhibs]

The letter also mentions a 'protocol arrangement' between the club and the police, and as Jack suggests, this probably covers general misbehaviour which the police think should be dealt with by the club rather than criminal proceedings

Aye you could be right. :dunno:

[ancient hibee]

It would be unbelievable for Hibs to target people on the pitch who simply celebrated. Strongly suspect people who caused damage will be sanctioned by the club if identified. I'm still trying to get over the fact I missed the game by being on holiday 😳

You're quite right it is unbelievable as the club is targeting nobody.The club is responding to information from the police.

[CentreLine]

You're quite right it is unbelievable as the club is targeting nobody.The club is responding to information from the police.

Couldn't have put it better myself. The idea that the club is singling out supporters for over exuberance is ludicrous and would certainly fly in the face of our chairmans immediate post match comment.

[Killiehibbie]

You're quite right it is unbelievable as the club is targeting nobody.The club is responding to information from the police.If the police have evidence of serious wrongdoing let them do their job. Hibs should not be banning fans not convicted of any offence.

[marinello59]

If the police have evidence of serious wrongdoing let them do their job. Hibs should not be banning fans not convicted of any offence.

I guess the fans involved could insist on potentially having a criminal record instead of a common sense solution being adopted. I find it bizarre that any football fan wants the police to come down even harder on us despite having the opportunity to take responsibility ourselves.

[Killiehibbie]

I guess the fans involved could insist on potentially having a criminal record instead of a common sense solution being adopted. I find it bizarre that any football fan wants the police to come down even harder on us despite having the opportunity to take responsibility ourselves.I guess they would be on their to getting a criminal record if the police and PF thought they could get one for their behaviour that day.

[Mikey]

We don't really know what's happened in this instance other than someone's mate's, mate's mate saying he "never dun nuffin". Presumably the club has evidence to the contrary, otherwise it should be easy to have it overturned.

[lucky]

Hibs and the police "protocol" is a concern. If fans have broke the law and police believe they have evidence they send it to the PF. Who then decides to take the matter to court. If the court finds them guilty they get punished. This protocol circumvents natural justice. Hibs were given the opportunity to use lawyers to win the case against the club but are not giving fans the same opportunity.

But if you never went on the pitch like 18000 other Hibs fans you'll have nothing to worry about.

[Geo_1875]

Is this the first letter sent out by the club? I believe there were letters sent out to fans asking them to contact the club security guy to discuss the events at the final. Possibly the result of ignoring that first letter.

[Killiehibbie]

Hibs and the police "protocol" is a concern. If fans have broke the law and police believe they have evidence they send it to the PF. Who then decides to take the matter to court. If the court finds them guilty they get punished. This protocol circumvents natural justice. Hibs were given the opportunity to use lawyers to win the case against the club but are not giving fans the same opportunity.

But if you never went on the pitch like 18000 other Hibs fans you'll have nothing to worry about.Imagine them sitting in incident room thinking of ways to try and punish fans they have no chance of getting a conviction against.

[Blaster]

Imagine them sitting in incident room thinking of ways to try and punish fans they have no chance of getting a conviction against.

Or punish fans who broke the conditions of their ticket??

[Smartie]

Or punish fans who broke the conditions of their ticket??

Which is still different to breaking the law and therefore not a police issue.

[Blaster]

Which is still different to breaking the law and therefore not a police issue.

I agree but that's why some are now receiving a letter and action from the club

[southern hibby]

I guess the fans involved could insist on potentially having a criminal record instead of a common sense solution being adopted. I find it bizarre that any football fan wants the police to come down even harder on us despite having the opportunity to take responsibility ourselves.

Couldn't agree more, however there is a chance and in some cases a very good chance of getting a not guilty.
There is and always has been in this country innocent until proven guilty. Not saying any fans asked in are guilty or not but Hibs need to be very careful here if they are doing the cops work for them. Procurator Fiscal may have already said not worth pursuing and cops trying their luck on getting Hibs to self ban.

GGTTH

[Killiehibbie]

Or punish fans who broke the conditions of their ticket??
Better start getting breathalysers at turnstiles.

[Onion]

These letters must be going to folk who did a lot more than simply invaded the pitch to celebrate. There's no way the club would agree to ban ANY Hibs fan who did that on 21 May. These were unique circumstances in the club's history that Hibs themselves will fully understand.

[Blaster]

Better start getting breathalysers at turnstiles.

Hope not 😄

[Mikey]

These letters must be going to folk who did a lot more than simply invaded the pitch to celebrate. There's no way the club would agree to ban ANY Hibs fan who did that on 21 May.

Maybe Amit or Frank could confirm?

[Twiglet]

We don't really know what's happened in this instance other than someone's mate's, mate's mate saying he "never dun nuffin". Presumably the club has evidence to the contrary, otherwise it should be easy to have it overturned.

I agree that we can't take it as gospel that the person didn't do anything wrong. I know someone from years back who was in court last week for something that happened at the final. I don't know exactly what happened, but they said it wasn't much.
Thing is he was fined last year for fighting after a match so even if it wasn't much and there's no legal ramifications, Hibs might still take action.
He's not been on any social media since to say what happened or there were any consequences. He may be getting a similar letter soon too based on past behaviour which I imagine the police will inform Hibs of.

[hibbysam]

These letters must be going to folk who did a lot more than simply invaded the pitch to celebrate. There's no way the club would agree to ban ANY Hibs fan who did that on 21 May. These were unique circumstances in the club's history that Hibs themselves will fully understand.

I can guarantee one of those whom received this letter was merely on the park, and nowhere near the Hun end. He received the letter last week and it absolutely stinks unless the rest of us that were just on the park including grandads/daughters and sons are all going to get banned "Indefinitely".

Those who "Did a lot more" are going through the courts and being dealt with that way. The police are taking their action through the courts, and the club escaped punishment through the SFA, its about time the club dropped the whole thing as it has now been dealt with.

[Super_JMcGinn]

I can guarantee one of those whom received this letter was merely on the park, and nowhere near the Hun end. He received the letter last week and it absolutely stinks unless the rest of us that were just on the park including grandads/daughters and sons are all going to get banned "Indefinitely".

Those who "Did a lot more" are going through the courts and being dealt with that way. The police are taking their action through the courts, and the club escaped punishment through the SFA, its about time the club dropped the whole thing as it has now been dealt with.

Perhaps there was a little souvenir taken or a little damage done when getting on the park ? I refuse to accept we are handing out banning orders for nothing.

[Scouse Hibee]

Perhaps there was a little souvenir taken or a little damage done when getting on the park ? I refuse to accept we are handing out banning orders for nothing.

Yes I agree and if anyone has received a ban for doing just that should surely appeal and would have it overturned.

[Nameless]

The ban isn't worth the paper it's written on. It's lip service at best. Do people think there will be stewards at the turnstiles with a photo of all the "banned"? Unless you have bail conditions forcing you to sign in at your local cop shop, nothing can be done to stop you attending any match at Easter Road. If anyone disagrees, tell me how Hibs stop you getting tickets?

[Scouse Hibee]

The ban isn't worth the paper it's written on. It's lip service at best. Do people think there will be stewards at the turnstiles with a photo of all the "banned"? Unless you have bail conditions forcing you to sign in at your local cop shop, nothing can be done to stop you attending any match at Easter Road. If anyone disagrees, tell me how Hibs stop you getting tickets?

Maybe so but who would want the fact that if recognised they could be ejected hanging over them.

[CockneyRebel]

Maybe so but who would want the fact that if recognised they could be ejected hanging over them.

Just wear a hat and specs.

[Mr White]

Just wear a hat and specs.

Or grow a big bushy beard.

[Juice-Terry]

The ban isn't worth the paper it's written on. It's lip service at best. Do people think there will be stewards at the turnstiles with a photo of all the "banned"? Unless you have bail conditions forcing you to sign in at your local cop shop, nothing can be done to stop you attending any match at Easter Road. If anyone disagrees, tell me how Hibs stop you getting tickets?

Well, they could make sure your season ticket isn't accepted at the turnstiles at ER.

[Nameless]

Maybe so but who would want the fact that if recognised they could be ejected hanging over them.
As consolation, they would probably get their own thread on .net;
"Did anyone see that guy getting chucked out".....

[Nameless]

Well, they could make sure your season ticket isn't accepted at the turnstiles at ER.
That's a given, but still doesn't stop you procuring a ticket by other means. Hibs will spend exactly £0 enforcing any "bans" they hand out.

[greenlex]

I can guarantee one of those whom received this letter was merely on the park, and nowhere near the Hun end. He received the letter last week and it absolutely stinks unless the rest of us that were just on the park including grandads/daughters and sons are all going to get banned "Indefinitely".

Those who "Did a lot more" are going through the courts and being dealt with that way. The police are taking their action through the courts, and the club escaped punishment through the SFA, its about time the club dropped the whole thing as it has now been dealt with.
Did he/she have previous? Why did folk get pulled weeks ago and invited in for a chat without bans being dished out and whoever this is actually being banned without so much as a chat?

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

This hand wringing about characters on the pitch receiving letters, bans and the such is getting a bit tedious now.

If you slapped a hun and got a summons, well done but it would have been more prudent to have waited till outside the stadium and away from the cameras.

If you ran on the pitch and took a selfie, accept the clubs slap on the wrist to appease the authorities and get on with it.

If you banjoed an expensive LED advert board, or were involved in unsavoury scenes, man up, accept the ban and get your pal to buy your ticket/walk up until it's cleared.


Can't be doing with these 'poor me' posts in this thread.

[Scouse Hibee]

This hand wringing about characters on the pitch receiving letters, bans and the such is getting a bit tedious now.

If you slapped a hun and got a summons, well done but it would have been more prudent to have waited till outside the stadium and away from the cameras.

If you ran on the pitch and took a selfie, accept the clubs slap on the wrist to appease the authorities and get on with it.

If you banjoed an expensive LED advert board, or were involved in unsavoury scenes, man up, accept the ban and get your pal to buy your ticket/walk up until it's cleared.


Can't be doing with these 'poor me' posts in this thread.

Where are the poor me posts?

[green day]

Where are the poor me posts?

All the way through, one is quoted a few posts up.

Usually they are along the lines " I ken someone who did absolutely nothing, just went on the pitch, took a selfie and are now banned - it's an outrage !! ".

Funny thing though, the punter who "did nothing" never seems to come on to confirm they are whiter than white.

[lucky]

This hand wringing about characters on the pitch receiving letters, bans and the such is getting a bit tedious now.

If you slapped a hun and got a summons, well done but it would have been more prudent to have waited till outside the stadium and away from the cameras.

If you ran on the pitch and took a selfie, accept the clubs slap on the wrist to appease the authorities and get on with it.

If you banjoed an expensive LED advert board, or were involved in unsavoury scenes, man up, accept the ban and get your pal to buy your ticket/walk up until it's cleared.


Can't be doing with these 'poor me' posts in this thread.

I'm sure advocating and congratulating violent acts would get you banned as well. Why should anyone accept a club ban if they've down nothing different to 3000-4000 other exuberant fans?

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

I'm sure advocating and congratulating violent acts would get you banned as well. Why should anyone accept a club ban if they've down nothing different to 3000-4000 other exuberant fans?

Are you thinking there will be 3-4,000 bans, or do you think the club will at least try and distinguish between the harmless selfie takers and those that were a bit naughtier?

[Super_JMcGinn]

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/police-release-images-of-scottish-cup-suspects-as-number-of-arrests-reach-86-1-4264603

When will it end :confused:

[Pete]

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/police-release-images-of-scottish-cup-suspects-as-number-of-arrests-reach-86-1-4264603

When will it end :confused:

Probably by posting individual pictures of our team that day.

It's just looking like a show of strength now. They've had months to deal with this yet they are drip feeding us mug shots like an episode of crimewatch.

If I see anyone I recognise from now on then they can **** off, I won't be helping them at all with their demonisation of people who have done nothing more than go on the pitch.

Huns within our institutions exacting some sort of pathetic revenge for us getting it right up them in every way possible that day.

**** them.

[I'm_cabbaged]

Probably by posting individual pictures of our team that day.

It's just looking like a show of strength now. They've had months to deal with this yet they are drip feeding us mug shots like an episode of crimewatch.

If I see anyone I recognise from now on then they can **** off, I won't be helping them at all with their demonisation of people who have done nothing more than go on the pitch.

Huns within our institutions exacting some sort of pathetic revenge for us getting it right up them in every way possible that day.

**** them.

Are you saying that you grassing folk up that you recognised up until now??

[superfurryhibby]

Are you saying that you grassing folk up that you recognised up until now??


Is Pete's surname Mc Cabe by any chance?

[barcahibs]

Are you saying that you grassing folk up that you recognised up until now??

Grassing up? Seriously? What are we 12? I've not heard that since primary school :)

Surely grown ups should be happy to help track down trouble makers. I haven't recognised anybody yet though :(

[Bostonhibby]

I'm happy to be all grown up sensible and do my public duty by grassing up Gary Locke at number 141. I hope the cops give him a Chinese burn when they get him as well.

[barcahibs]

I'm happy to be all grown up sensible and do my public duty by grassing up Gary Locke at number 141. I hope the cops give him a Chinese burn when they get him as well.

Aye, sorry, might have been a sense of humour failure on my part, it's been a long morning...

Still, haven't heard of grassing someone up in a long time!

[Bostonhibby]

Aye, sorry, might have been a sense of humour failure on my part, it's been a long morning...

Still, haven't heard of grassing someone up in a long time!
Nae problem[emoji106]

No heard it much outside this affair either. Seems appropriate as a lot of grass was involved one way or the other here [emoji6]

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[marinello59]

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/police-release-images-of-scottish-cup-suspects-as-number-of-arrests-reach-86-1-4264603

When will it end :confused:

When somebody notices how much time and money is being wasted on this.

[blackpoolhibs]

Once they have finished with ALL those on the park, i'm pretty sure this lot will start sifting through pictures of those who stayed on the terracing but maybe swore once or twice. :rolleyes:

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

Aye, sorry, might have been a sense of humour failure on my part, it's been a long morning...

Still, haven't heard of grassing someone up in a long time!

Lee Wallace is a grass.

[Bostonhibby]

I reckon that the Police Glasgow will finally stop when their naughty step has one more hibby standing on it than it has the the rangers fans.

They can then pass the message onto to the frozen faced wee guy who was standing behind Sir David at the cup presentation, he will then run along to Dodgy Dave and ask him if he is satisfied with that, if they get the nod from Ibrox Police Glasgow will end it and get back to gossiping about it at the Lodge.

The unresolved question will always be why did the the rangers fans really go onto the pitch.

[Earlydelivery]

I know one of the aboves dad spoke to him last night said his son getting charged with public disorder,i.e. Swinging his hibs top in front of rangers fans no joke the family are distraught he also told me that after public disorder charges are over . They are going after vandalism people on goalposts taking turf ect ect

[northstandhibby]

I know one of the aboves dad spoke to him last night said his son getting charged with public disorder,i.e. Swinging his hibs top in front of rangers fans no joke the family are distraught he also told me that after public disorder charges are over . They are going after vandalism people on goalposts taking turf ect ect

The way they are drip feeding hundreds of fans pics onto their Police Scotland website I believe what you are saying.

They seem determined to punish fans who were mostly over exuberant.

This has turned in to Police Scotland Witch-hunt.

Just leaving for the match.

Mon the Cabbage.

GGTTH

[capitals_finest]

The way they are drip feeding hundreds of fans pics onto their Police Scotland website I believe what you are saying.

They seem determined to punish fans who were mostly over exuberant.

This has turned in to Police Scotland Witch-hunt.

Just leaving for the match.

Mon the Cabbage.

GGTTH

I would love to know how much the Police have spent on this investigation. The event happened months ago and they are only releasing some of the images now. What a joke Police Scotland are.

[Earlydelivery]

I would love to know how much the Police have spent on this investigation. The event happened months ago and they are only releasing some of the images now. What a joke Police Scotland are.
The violence charges are finished now it's now public disorder and after that vandalism

[The Pointer]

So enjoying yourself extremely is now classified as 'public disorder'? Oh dear I wonder what the dears will do with their time when this is over. Are they employing G4S to do it I wonder? It's like a player being booked for 'over-celebrating'.

[Pete]

Are you saying that you grassing folk up that you recognised up until now??

Nope.

[Pete]

Is Pete's surname Mc Cabe by any chance?

Pete Wallace.

[Keith_M]

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/police-release-images-of-scottish-cup-suspects-as-number-of-arrests-reach-86-1-4264603

When will it end :confused:



This is getting ridiculous, my photo is on that list and I wasn't even in the country that day!!!!

[marinello59]

I know one of the aboves dad spoke to him last night said his son getting charged with public disorder,i.e. Swinging his hibs top in front of rangers fans no joke the family are distraught he also told me that after public disorder charges are over . They are going after vandalism people on goalposts taking turf ect ect

If this is true then we have members of Police Scotland acting out of nothIng more than spite. It's certainly not in the public interest to spend money on cases like this.

[Bostonhibby]

If this is true then we have members of Police Scotland acting out of nothIng more than spite. It's certainly not in the public interest to spend money on cases like this.
Sitting at a computer screen scoffing a six pack of individual pork pies whilst retrospectively picking out hibbies standing about on the pitch is a preferred option to actual policing on the day.

Cutting edge policing at it's finest and a distraction from their failings on the day.

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