Stubbs

[Ozyhibby]

Not before time, for once he actually looked like he knows his job is on the line. Hopefully he'll stop all the interviews and focus on getting things right Not sure who he thinks he can replace in defence though as we hardly have a queue of defenders, although Oxley must be first to be dropped.

He looked during the game like he knew his job was in danger.


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[The_Exile]

This fortnight break will do us the world of good, we really really need to hit form immediately and finish strong. Think that's the angriest I've seen Stubbs!!

[Jonnyboy]

He looked during the game like he knew his job was in danger.


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What exactly drew you to that conclusion?

[emerald green]

He looked during the game like he knew his job was in danger.


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I thought he looked both bewildered and exasperated at times when the camera panned in on him during the second half when the game was slipping away from his team. Not good.

The look on his face at the final whistle said it all.

[Borderhibbie76]

Not before time, for once he actually looked like he knows his job is on the line. Hopefully he'll stop all the interviews and focus on getting things right Not sure who he thinks he can replace in defence though as we hardly have a queue of defenders, although Oxley must be first to be dropped.
Why pick Oxley out again?? The entire back line were pathetic as a unit tonight yet you shoulder all the blame on Oxley I presume??

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[Captain Trips]

Stubbs this league campaign has been pish, no excuses. Falkirk ffs maybe if first season but no way with this squad in season two, everyone at club needs to look at the direction.

Pipped by Rangers yeah would be pissed but would live with it, humped by them and struggling to finish 2nd? Sorry folks but this needs seriously looked at.

[blackpoolhibs]

Stubbs says he cant defend the players for making the same mistakes, he should look at his own decisions too and stop making the same mistakes.

[bookert]

That was a very different post match interview from Stubbs, was giving no excuses or defending players, will be interesting to see if it has an impact.

[Ozyhibby]

That was a very different post match interview from Stubbs, was giving no excuses or defending players, will be interesting to see if it has an impact.

Up to the players to respond but as we well know, this can go either way. We will have to wait and see.


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[Jim44]

:agree: iF CARLING DONE WEEKEND'S THIS HAS GOT TO BE ONE OF THE WORST ONES OF THE YEAR.

MIND YOU IT CAN ALWAYS BE WORSE YOU COULD HAVE 12 FINGERS AND SUPPORT THE POPPY THIEVES.

............ and annoyingly it started off as a potentially great weekend, with the Sevco, Aberdeen and Jambo results. You can always depend on Hibs to bring you back down to earth with thud. :greengrin

[SteveHFC]

Big question marks over Stubbs now. Big claims through the season are really looking silly now, and the annoying thing is that if it was just his comments then it would only be himself being embarrassed. However, with these results we're all getting embarrassed.

i'm ****ing raging. It's not good enough, we've not been goid enough for a while now, and he doesn't seem to know how to resolve the issues.

Well said Matty. :top marks

[Forza Fred]

He looked during the game like he knew his job was in danger.


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How would you describe that look exactly ?

[broondog]

not too bothered if he goes now or at the end of the season, its not been good enough pure and simple. he has had time to build and a huge budget yet we are struggling in the second tier. said it when we hired him that it was a huge risk hiring a rookie manager and I have been proved right. the decent thing for him would be to resign as he had made a series of tactical errors in recent matches and he should be very dissapointed with what he has contributed. we have great players we really do but he isnt the right man to guide them to success sadly.

[Thecat23]

not too bothered if he goes now or at the end of the season, its not been good enough pure and simple. he has had time to build and a huge budget yet we are struggling in the second tier. said it when we hired him that it was a huge risk hiring a rookie manager and I have been proved right. the decent thing for him would be to resign as he had made a series of tactical errors in recent matches and he should be very dissapointed with what he has contributed. we have great players we really do but he isnt the right man to guide them to success sadly.

Get a grip, also you haven't been proved right at all! The season isn't over and what would you say if he won us the cup and got us up via the play offs? He'd go down in history as one of the best managers Hibs have had.

So let's not fill the nappy just yet and wait till may.

[Niffy]

Get a grip, also you haven't been proved right at all! The season isn't over and what would you say if he won us the cup and got us up via the play offs? He'd go down in history as one of the best managers Hibs have had.

So let's not fill the nappy just yet and wait till may.

I'll put £100 on neither of those things happening.
We're not on a bad run, we've scraped through a few results in 2 bad seasons in the 2nd tier.

[Aldo]

Why pick Oxley out again?? The entire back line were pathetic as a unit tonight yet you shoulder all the blame on Oxley I presume?? Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

Agree with you regarding Oxley however we should defend as a team. Only players that got pass marks for me were Stokes and Boyle.

The others were woefully short of anywhere near good enough.

I'll also stand by my posts on other threads regarding Oxley not being at fault for their goals!

[coldingham hibs]

Why pick Oxley out again?? The entire back line were pathetic as a unit tonight yet you shoulder all the blame on Oxley I presume??

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Defence starts with the goalkeeper, we have a poor goalkeeper hence that's the first change. That's now 2 seasons where a large if not overwhelming majority of the support, who watch week in week out, consider Oxley as not being good enough.

[Ozyhibby]

Get a grip, also you haven't been proved right at all! The season isn't over and what would you say if he won us the cup and got us up via the play offs? He'd go down in history as one of the best managers Hibs have had.

So let's not fill the nappy just yet and wait till may.

We waited till May with Butcher. Didn't go well for us.


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[killie-hibby]

He looked during the game like he knew his job was in danger.


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That's exactly what I thought.The camera panned onto a guy who knew he had miscalculated team selection and fitness levels.

[Onion]

Post match interview. Very critical of the players this time

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/tv/freeview

Strong words by Stubbs who looks shell-shocked and like a man under pressure. Been a hard week, and last few weeks which is finally taking it's toll.

Beginning of the year, Stubbs was having fun, verbal joisting with Rangers and Warburton and was a hot contender for the biggest managerial job in Scotland. Now he looks like a man who'd struggle to hold down a part-time job in the Championship.

[hibsbollah]

That's exactly what I thought.The camera panned onto a guy who knew he had miscalculated team selection and fitness levels.

The points been made earlier, but this idea that any of us can know what other people are thinking just by looking at them is just totally ridiculous.

'Look at Stubbsys expression there, he's clearly wishing he went with the 352' :faf:

You wouldn't do it in any other walk of life, in a meeting, down the pub, at a funeral, so why football?

[Ozyhibby]

Strong words by Stubbs who looks shell-shocked and like a man under pressure. Been a hard week, and last few weeks which is finally taking it's toll.

Beginning of the year, Stubbs was having fun, verbal joisting with Rangers and Warburton and was a hot contender for the biggest managerial job in Scotland. Now he looks like a man who'd struggle to hold down a part-time job in the Championship.

And has now turned on his players. [emoji26]


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[Heisenberg]

And has now turned on his players. [emoji26]


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Which is fair enough. They've had it far too easy throughout this bad spell as well. The manager and the team have this two week period to sort it all out. Otherwise we'll be stuck down here for another season.

[Onion]

I thought he looked both bewildered and exasperated at times when the camera panned in on him during the second half when the game was slipping away from his team. Not good.

The look on his face at the final whistle said it all.

Hibs fans have worn that look many times in the last 8 years. Unless Stubbs can turn this around, this season will just reinforce the stereotypical views people have of Hibernian FC.

This club's capacity to under-deliver at crucial times is breathtaking.

[Beefster]

The points been made earlier, but this idea that any of us can know what other people are thinking just by looking at them is just totally ridiculous.

'Look at Stubbsys expression there, he's clearly wishing he went with the 352' :faf:

You wouldn't do it in any other walk of life, in a meeting, down the pub, at a funeral, so why football?

Not entirely true. I do it all the time with Mrs Beefster.

"That expression is saying that she doesn't want that Mulberry handbag"

"That expression is saying that she is insisting that I go on Bob's stag fortnight to Vegas"

"That expression is saying that I should definitely buy myself that new bike"

"That expression is saying that she will stab me if I ask for a cup of tea"

[southern hibby]

IMO it would be utter madness to get rid of Stubbs either now or in the close season, no matter what happens.

He's been a breath of fresh air for the club, we've had some amazing results and the standard of football has been excellent.

I don't think we should underestimate what a big loss Hanlon is. Missing him is massive for this team. We wouldn't even be in this division if he hadn't gotten injured at the tail end of 13/14.

Bawheid, I appreciate your sentiment I honestly do. However I've got to disagree about keeping him at aIl costs. I support Hibs, however at present my team is in free fall as other teams have now managed to work out how to play against us.
We've done well, in fact very well against premiership teams up until Ross County and by their own addition practiced that formation to play against us and it worked. This could mean that other teams we played against either never worked out how to play against us or never gave us the respect we were due.
AS will learn of that I have no doubt but is he learning fast enough to stop the rot,? debatable.
For me there's too many mistakes constantly happening and not being addressed fast enough. But I will back him along with any player that is ours, he picks.
Questions remains though if we don't get promoted and he stays will he get us up next season? Will players want to stay in this league or move on? How many players ( decent players) will want to come to Hibs knowing he's failed twice at promotion and will they want to take a chance?

Last thought though for all doubters AND MYSELF INCLUDED. We could win the play offs and get promoted. We could win the Scottish cup and be in Europe next season and AS will have firmly put us in our rightful place His back pocket. I for one hope and pray he does.

GGTTH

[Expecting Rain]

Are we incapable of letting the guy get on with his job, talk of replacing him is ridiculous, look at the standard of players he has brought to the club. He is not far away from producing a team to be proud of.

[hibsbollah]

Not entirely true. I do it all the time with Mrs Beefster.

"That expression is saying that she doesn't want that Mulberry handbag"

"That expression is saying that she is insisting that I go on Bob's stag fortnight to Vegas"

"That expression is saying that I should definitely buy myself that new bike"

"That expression is saying that she will stab me if I ask for a cup of tea"

What you choose to do with Mrs Beefster within your four walls is your own business :greengrin

Do you do this mind reading with any CONFIDENCE though? That's the point . She might be wanting the Radley bag instead. Or that subtly arched eyebrow might not, after all, point to the prospect of missing you when you go to Vegas, but enthusiasm at the thought of sitting in front of the games console in her pants without interruption all week.

[Captain Trips]

Are we incapable of letting the guy get on with his job, talk of replacing him is ridiculous, look at the standard of players he has brought to the club. He is not far away from producing a team to be proud of.

A great squad yeah, so why are we on a par with Falkirk and miles off Rangers then. We can't have a great squad and a amazing manager or we would be right up with Rangers.

We have the squad we have failed to adapt at times and lacked a killer instinct now for almost 2 seasons and that is on Stubbs.

[Jim44]

I suspect that, if we lose out on the cup and fail to get promotion, we won't have to consider his position, as he might walk away from the job.

[ekhibee]

Hibs fans have worn that look many times in the last 8 years. Unless Stubbs can turn this around, this season will just reinforce the stereotypical views people have of Hibernian FC.

This club's capacity to under-deliver at crucial times is breathtaking.
Exactly what I was thinking, Onion. I do think the pressure is beginning to tell on him, and it's starting to show. Big games ahead.

[ekhibee]

A good and honest assessment IMO. He's angry and rightly so
Exactly what I thought Jonnyboy, I agreed with everything he said. He's been solidly defending them up till now but today was maybe the straw that broke the camel's back. One small thing though- he does need to change the diamond formation from time to time IMO, too many teams have found a way to get round it.

[Smartie]

That interview is the first thing that Stubbs has done in weeks that I've liked.

Pulls no punches, seems upset and gives you hope that he's going to have to try something different to get us out of this slump.

[Fergos]

Exactly what I thought Jonnyboy, I agreed with everything he said. He's been solidly defending them up till now but today was maybe the straw that broke the camel's back. One small thing though- he does need to change the diamond formation from time to time IMO, too many teams have found a way to get round it.

Could be wrong here but from where I was sitting yesterday it didn't look like a diamond in the middle, Boyle was out wide left, Keats right with McGinn & Bartley in the middle.

GGTTH

[Thecat23]

That interview is the first thing that Stubbs has done in weeks that I've liked.

Pulls no punches, seems upset and gives you hope that he's going to have to try something different to get us out of this slump.

Agree, many on here moaning they wanted a reaction and he's clearly gave one. He's not happy with certain players and let's see if he changes it.

[Captain Trips]

Agree, many on here moaning they wanted a reaction and he's clearly gave one. He's not happy with certain players and let's see if he changes it.

Aye the reaction comes once we have pissed the League away. The rocket was required when we were at pace with Rangers but 20 odd goals worse off than them. Let's get a reaction now once we are now on par with Falkirk, sorry like our midfield and forwards simply not good enough.

[J-C]

Just listened to the interview and it looks like he's finally realised action needs to be taken, hopefully not too late.

He also needs to take a long hard look at himself also, the team are not the only ones making mistakes, he's persisted with the same core of players week in week out and they look shattered, physically and mentally.

Oh and AS change that bloody tactic.

[Captain Trips]

Just listened to the interview and it looks like he's finally realised action needs to be taken, hopefully not too late.

He also needs to take a long hard look at himself also, the team are not the only ones making mistakes, he's persisted with the same core of players week in week out and they look shattered, physically and mentally.

Oh and AS change that bloody tactic.

It is to late he should have been reacting when we were up with Rangers but 20 odd goals worse off, that was time to sort it.

[Thecat23]

Aye the reaction comes once we have pissed the League away. The rocket was required when we were at pace with Rangers but 20 odd goals worse off than them. Let's get a reaction now once we are now on par with Falkirk, sorry like our midfield and forwards simply not good enough.

McGinn. Henderson, Bartley etc.. Aren't good enough? Can we still go up? Can we still win a cup?

How about backing them instead of telling everyone we're finished.

[Captain Trips]

Sorry our attacking midfielder play is to measured and slow giving us lots of possession with not a lot to show. Yes we can go up but I and many others are not as confident as before.

You tell me why then that in season two we are no better than Falkirk our marker is Rangers not Falkirk surely.

[sleeping giant]

It never ends well when managers turn on the players.

[Sudds_1]

not too bothered if he goes now or at the end of the season, its not been good enough pure and simple. he has had time to build and a huge budget yet we are struggling in the second tier. said it when we hired him that it was a huge risk hiring a rookie manager and I have been proved right. the decent thing for him would be to resign as he had made a series of tactical errors in recent matches and he should be very dissapointed with what he has contributed. we have great players we really do but he isnt the right man to guide them to success sadly.

oh FFS man, take a pill..........ok this slump in form is typical hibs - but we've had 1 cup final, 90 minutes away from a second and still in the playoff mix (which is where we were before the wheels came off). Offer that a the season start and many would bite your hand off!

So lets not hammer the manager just yet.........the players bear a great deal of responsibility as well you know!

[Thecat23]

Sorry our attacking midfielder play is to measured and slow giving us lots of possession with not a lot to show. Yes we can go up but I and many others are not as confident as before.

You tell me why then that in season two we are no better than Falkirk our marker is Rangers not Falkirk surely.

Again I keep stressing this, I'm not to happy either and Stubbs needs to deal with what's going on but... I'm not going to write him or Hibs off just yet.

[Thecat23]

It never ends well when managers turn on the players.

Who's turned on the players?

[Captain Trips]

Again I keep stressing this, I'm not to happy either and Stubbs needs to deal with what's going on but... I'm not going to write him or Hibs off just yet.

I haven't written him off either I am just unhappy at how our league campaign has gone and is going. I wouldn't change him now, yeah it's good he reacted but I for me am stating a fact that the reaction is 4/5 months too late.

[blackpoolhibs]

Sorry our attacking midfielder play is to measured and slow giving us lots of possession with not a lot to show. Yes we can go up but I and many others are not as confident as before.

You tell me why then that in season two we are no better than Falkirk our marker is Rangers not Falkirk surely.

Well if you believe some folk, things are just about to turn the corner and all we need is a little rub of the green. Whereas in the real world we just dont win enough football matches as usual.

And what else is usual is how they continue to get that one result to get us all excited again, just after booting us right in the baws.

Different season, same *****.

[Ryan69]

as much as I like Stubbs....if we don't get promoted,he must be sacked!

He would of managed todo something no Hibs manager has ever managed todo before in keeping us in the 2nd tier for 3 years running.

I really hope he can turn it around but currently we have a goalie who is very poor,a defence that make to many schoolboy errors and a midfield and attack that really struggle to score!

[banchoryhibs]

oh FFS man, take a pill..........ok this slump in form is typical hibs - but we've had 1 cup final, 90 minutes away from a second and still in the playoff mix (which is where we were before the wheels came off). Offer that a the season start and many would bite your hand off!

So lets not hammer the manager just yet.........the players bear a great deal of responsibility as well you know!

I totally agree. One final lost in the dying seconds but we had our chances to win it. ICT defeated in Inverness. We are still in with a real chance of second place and promotion. Some key players are injured.
We were not good enough yesterday, not by a long shot, Stubbs is quite clear about that. But let's not go into meltdown, after the break we will have a stronger squad and hopefully a stronger mentality.

[truehibernian]

It never ends well when managers turn on the players.

He's lauded them all season leading to a cup final and the chance of reaching another. This poor run needs addressed and he was general in his criticism, not 'naming and shaming'. The players know themselves they're letting themselves down and I'm quite sure their respect towards the manager will be intact and not diminished.

What I don't like hearing admittedly is any professional manager coming out with the 'not doing the basics right' cliche - it's professional sport and what makes teams great are the additions to 'the basics' - they've trained and played long enough to know 'the basics' of football.

Hibs play their best, most attacking, and most direct and pacy football in a 3-5-2 - I cannot see why we don't go with this format from now until May.

[CiscoKid]

I find it difficult to contemplate starting again with a new manager but we simply can't afford to stay in the championship much longer and the odds can't be in our favor with 2 possibly 3 play-off ties to win.

There are lots of positives and generally I am right behind him but my biggest problem with Stubbs is when we loose he rarely seems to understand why and seems to think that if we had most of the possession we were just unlucky and should have won. Where as the answer seems to be that while we do excel at the possession side of the game we are still often sadly lacking when it comes to basic defending and turning possession into goals. It feels like teams are increasingly working us out while we have our heads in the sand and are not changing or adapting.

[mcfly]

as much as I like Stubbs....if we don't get promoted,he must be sacked!

He would of managed todo something no Hibs manager has ever managed todo before in keeping us in the 2nd tier for 3 years running.

I really hope he can turn it around but currently we have a goalie who is very poor,a defence that make to many schoolboy errors and a midfield and attack that really struggle to score!

Sacking would be wrong in my view. He is a manager who has talked up his team and given the fans confidence in their team again. Look what we had before.

He took over with confidence/organisation rock bottom and signings have been decent



We have beaten many top league teams this season our downfall is against the poorer teams.

We don't score enough goals - midfield don't score and I do agree the goals we concede are often embarrassing.

If Alan Stubbs has a fault he's been too loyal to some players and they've let him down.

Let's see what changes he makes - gunnarrson/virtanen/dagnall even al agui need games. Hopefully this will happen and we get back winning

[blackpoolhibs]

Sacking would be wrong in my view. He is a manager who has talked up his team and given the fans confidence in their team again. Look what we had before.

He took over with confidence/organisation rock bottom and signings have been decent



We have beaten many top league teams this season our downfall is against the poorer teams.

We don't score enough goals - midfield don't score and I do agree the goals we concede are often embarrassing.

If Alan Stubbs has a fault he's been too loyal to some players and they've let him down.

Let's see what changes he makes - gunnarrson/virtanen/dagnall even al agui need games. Hopefully this will happen and we get back winning

Confidence was at rock bottom, so the only way was up. Cup wins albeit the ones that win you sod all were great but papering over the cracks in my opinion, as we DID lose to some of the worst football teams to visit Easter Road in years.

You also point out we don't score enough goals - midfield don't score and the goals we concede are often embarrassing, and the manager has been too loyal.

You don't put a good case forward for him in my opinion, and once again its a case of us needing to do something different to try and change things to save our season.

[truehibernian]

I find it difficult to contemplate starting again with a new manager but we simply can't afford to stay in the championship much longer and the odds can't be in our favor with 2 possibly 3 play-off ties to win.

There are lots of positives and generally I am right behind him but my biggest problem with Stubbs is when we loose he rarely seems to understand why and seems to think that if we had most of the possession we were just unlucky and should have won. Where as the answer seems to be that while we do excel at the possession side of the game we are still often sadly lacking when it comes to basic defending and turning possession into goals. It feels like teams are increasingly working us out while we have our heads in the sand and are not changing or adapting.

One key component of leadership is the ability to evaluate and reflect - there's no way we should consider getting rid of Stubbs - if he and his management team can reflect on where things are going wrong and introduce new strategies. That doesn't just include match days - it includes training, youth development and introduction to the first team, the medical team - many things are right at the club, many things don't need changed, simply monitored and tweaked - you don't get to a final, a semi final, go unbeaten for over 20 games and have players in a lower league get international recognition like Malonga, McGinn and Cummings unless a lot at the club is going in the right direction.

[Captain Trips]

Really great he noticed things need sorted worry for me is its months too late, let's see how it now goes then.

[SJM]

Really great he noticed things need sorted worry for me is its months too late, let's see how it now goes then.

Every single game is the same though mate. We all see it, he does the opposite or does nothing.

I love Stubbs so it's a massive conundrum. We finish less than second and don't go up he has to go though.

[Thecat23]

Confidence was at rock bottom, so the only way was up. Cup wins albeit the ones that win you sod all were great but papering over the cracks in my opinion, as we DID lose to some of the worst football teams to visit Easter Road in years.

You also point out we don't score enough goals - midfield don't score and the goals we concede are often embarrassing, and the manager has been too loyal.

You don't put a good case forward for him in my opinion, and once again its a case of us needing to do something different to try and change things to save our season.

Yeah it's piss easy coming in when you have to rebuild the whole club. As you pointed out before you could have done it. Stubbs got it easy on that front right enough.

He went on a superb run of form during this season which to you is prob nothing, not losing since April until we eventually did. When playing in this league weekly sadly you will end up losing games.

We get you aren't happy with Stubbs at all or the team, I'm not sure about papering over cracks? Personally when I was watching us when we went on that run we played some good football while winning. I take it you have gone weekly all season?

[emerald green]

One key component of leadership is the ability to evaluate and reflect - there's no way we should consider getting rid of Stubbs - if he and his management team can reflect on where things are going wrong and introduce new strategies. That doesn't just include match days - it includes training, youth development and introduction to the first team, the medical team - many things are right at the club, many things don't need changed, simply monitored and tweaked - you don't get to a final, a semi final, go unbeaten for over 20 games and have players in a lower league get international recognition like Malonga, McGinn and Cummings unless a lot at the club is going in the right direction.

I totally agree with a lot of what you've said here. A lot of things at Hibs have improved dramatically under Dempster & Stubbs and their staff, and not before time IMHO.

Given the above, what is puzzling for me though is why there has been this sudden and dramatic loss of form, and such a run of frankly unacceptable results. As Stubbs himself rightly said after the game yesterday, there is no point looking for excuses. We've heard them all before. Many times.

Ultimately AS will be judged on results, and right now we all know they are terrible.

[truehibernian]

Every single game is the same though mate. We all see it, he does the opposite or does nothing.

I love Stubbs so it's a massive conundrum. We finish less than second and don't go up he has to go though.

If he wins the Scottish Cup ?

[Smartie]

It is to late he should have been reacting when we were up with Rangers but 20 odd goals worse off, that was time to sort it.

It's not too late.

We still have promotion and the Scottish Cup to play for.

We've got a talented squad of players who have been able to play well in the past and can do so again.

[Lago]

Every single game is the same though mate. We all see it, he does the opposite or does nothing.

I love Stubbs so it's a massive conundrum. We finish less than second and don't go up he has to go though.
Yes a case of too little too late I'm afraid, 6 points behind Falkirk with an inferior goal difference making it effectively 7 points with Hibs having 2 games in hand. Then look at yesterdays scores Morton score 4, QoTS score 6, St Mirren come bac from 2 down to win with 3. Jason is being critised for his miss, in the main he is the only one that has scored consistently over the season, dribbs and drabs from others, Dagnall, give me strength, Farid, did he touch the ball yesterday, Keatings I like him but hasn't provided the back up to Cummings he should have. I wont talk about the defence as I would loose the will to live.

[killie-hibby]

The points been made earlier, but this idea that any of us can know what other people are thinking just by looking at them is just totally ridiculous.

'Look at Stubbsys expression there, he's clearly wishing he went with the 352' :faf:

You wouldn't do it in any other walk of life, in a meeting, down the pub, at a funeral, so why football?



I did not mention 352 Where did you pluck that from .

[greenpaper55]

We are where we are in the league due to the quality of our players, nothing more nothing less. The players are not trying to lose, they are playing to their best but as we see now some of them are not much above the opposition in class if at all. The last time we were relegated we brought in some class and strolled the league, Mixu and Latapy were still full internationals at that time and we also had a certain Frenchman in the side and i don't recall losing four on the trot to the likes of Dumbarton ! It's back to the owners ambition for the team, sadly i don't think Petrie and farmers ambition matches the fans, we could be scratching around this division for years for all they care.

[paddy1875]

I do like Alan Stubbs, and he has done a fantastic job with us up until the last month or so. My only concern is that he needs to know now that against the 7 weaker teams in league, none of them come out to attack us. They sit in and wait for the few chances they can get. And over the past month or so they've been taking them.

A few key injuries haven't helped his team selection options but surely he has to know by now that Keatings is a striker, he's not a number 10. It's a complete waste of a jersey playing him there. I'm not sure if there is any development players that could play the role but I'm certain Keatings is not comfortable there. A good player on his day when he's playing on the last man tho.

Centre of defence with Hanlon being out injured also looks very weak just now. Change it to a back 3 like so many of us have been crying out for.

Gray and Stevenson need to know when one goes up the other must stay back. They get to the byline but the final ball 8 times out of 10 are poor. Maybe it's fatigue kicking in now so maybe bring someone from the development team in to get there legs back. You never know we could uncover a youngster that's better than what we're using.

Stubbs in all has done well and is still learning. Maybe a bit stubborn in not changing things sooner. But now he must make changes to formations and the players. 2nd in the league is still achievable, course it is. But we need to become unpredictable now.

[blackpoolhibs]

Yeah it's piss easy coming in when you have to rebuild the whole club. As you pointed out before you could have done it. Stubbs got it easy on that front right enough.

He went on a superb run of form during this season which to you is prob nothing, not losing since April until we eventually did. When playing in this league weekly sadly you will end up losing games.

We get you aren't happy with Stubbs at all or the team, I'm not sure about papering over cracks? Personally when I was watching us when we went on that run we played some good football while winning. I take it you have gone weekly all season?

Its a lot easier to build something from scratch than it is if its full of bits you dont want. There you go putting words in my mouth again, check the posts when we were on that run, i was praising the team.

I get you are delirious with Stubbs and the team, but forgive me for not feeling the same. Count up our defeats in this the 2nd tier of Scottish football, 4 on the trot. I have watched EVERY game we've played have you?

I'd have backed your pick Butcher to get us up this season over your new hero Stubbs.

[Onion]

If he wins the Scottish Cup ?

While everything at the club has been focused on winning promotion, any manager who wins Hibs the SC will be able to write their own cheque, and will instantly become the most important person at ER.

[Thecat23]

Its a lot easier to build something from scratch than it is if its full of bits you dont want. There you go putting words in my mouth again, check the posts when we were on that run, i was praising the team.

I get you are delirious with Stubbs and the team, but forgive me for not feeling the same. Count up our defeats in this the 2nd tier of Scottish football, 4 on the trot. I have watched EVERY game we've played have you?

I'd have backed your pick Butcher to get us up this season over your new hero Stubbs.

My hero 😂😂

Ok I'm out, the Butcher statement has taken this onto another level.

[SJM]

Yes a case of too little too late I'm afraid, 6 points behind Falkirk with an inferior goal difference making it effectively 7 points with Hibs having 2 games in hand. Then look at yesterdays scores Morton score 4, QoTS score 6, St Mirren come bac from 2 down to win with 3. Jason is being critised for his miss, in the main he is the only one that has scored consistently over the season, dribbs and drabs from others, Dagnall, give me strength, Farid, did he touch the ball yesterday, Keatings I like him but hasn't provided the back up to Cummings he should have. I wont talk about the defence as I would loose the will to live.

I feel your pain man. Totally agree though.

[Expecting Rain]

A great squad yeah, so why are we on a par with Falkirk and miles off Rangers then. We can't have a great squad and a amazing manager or we would be right up with Rangers.

We have the squad we have failed to adapt at times and lacked a killer instinct now for almost 2 seasons


and that is on Stubbs.

The team has been good enough to beat SPL opposition and the season Isn't over. It is only 4 days ago that we knocked out the Scottish cup holders on their own patch.

[Baldy Foghorn]

The team has been good enough to beat SPL opposition and the season Isn't over. It is only 4 days ago that we knocked out the Scottish cup holders on their own patch.

1 defeat in 8 games against SPL opposition, however we are lacking consistency to win games in lower division........

[ihibs7]

1 defeat in 8 games against SPL opposition, however we are lacking consistency to win games in lower division........

That's quite a paradox - what does it say? That in a one off game Stubbs has the edge v the very best in Scotland? But can't consistently beat lesser teams over 4 games? I don't know it makes no sense.


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[Pretty Boy]

That's quite a paradox - what does it say? That in a one off game Stubbs has the edge v the very best in Scotland? But can't consistently beat lesser teams over 4 games? I don't know it makes no sense.


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I've said for some time we play a game that would be successful at a better level. Passing the ball and retaining and recycling possession draws teams out and exploits space in behind. Against teams with their own ambitions it works exceptionally well. Where it fails is when we come up against teams who have no desire to come out and are quite content to sit in and let us have the ball 30, 40, 50 yards from goal. Unfortunately we play those teams 90% of the time.

In itself if that's not a massive problem if we are solid at the back and take our chances. When we fail at either of those things we are in trouble, when we fail at both we will have runs like the one we are currently on.

[mcfly]

Confidence was at rock bottom, so the only way was up. Cup wins albeit the ones that win you sod all were great but papering over the cracks in my opinion, as we DID lose to some of the worst football teams to visit Easter Road in years.

You also point out we don't score enough goals - midfield don't score and the goals we concede are often embarrassing, and the manager has been too loyal.

You don't put a good case forward for him in my opinion, and once again its a case of us needing to do something different to try and change things to save our season.

Cmon then who replaces him?

Who would be better?

In addition you say we lost to worst teams in years at Easter road?

Were you at the Morton game? I thought they were excellent

Yes we've lost 4 league games but what are you expecting?? We have to be realistic.

Your argument for sacking doesn't stack up in my view so cmon on reveal all your master plan of who replaces alan Stubbs?

[Heisenberg]

Cmon then who replaces him?

Who would be better?

In addition you say we lost to worst teams in years at Easter road?

Were you at the Morton game? I thought they were excellent

Yes we've lost 4 league games but what are you expecting?? We have to be realistic.

Your argument for sacking doesn't stack up in my view so cmon on reveal all your master plan of who replaces alan Stubbs?

I'm expecting to not lose four games in a row against utterly ***** opposition. Is that realistic enough? We've been playing the same way in the league since last season and it's not working.

[blackpoolhibs]

Cmon then who replaces him?

Who would be better?

Yes we've lost 4 league games but what are you expecting?? We have to be realistic.

Your argument for sacking doesn't stack up in my view so cmon on reveal all your master plan of who replaces alan Stubbs?

Give me LD's salary and 18 months to look at who i would pick as his successor and i will give you an answer, unless you have a name you'd like to put forward?

And incase its escaped your attention, we've lost 7 games not 4 out of 28, thats 7 games in the 2nd tier of this *****y league.

[Ozyhibby]

When the defence of a manager becomes
1. Now is not the right time
2. He just needs a bit more time to turn things round.
3. We can't just keep sacking managers.
4. Who would we get to replace him.
then you know he is in real trouble.
I'm not saying we should sack him just yet but he need to pull us out this tailspin very quickly.
This is not people knee jerk reacting to a couple of bad results, this is a long term problem of his team's not scoring enough goals. He needs to fix it now or the club need to act before its to late.


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[mcfly]

Give me LD's salary and 18 months to look at who i would pick as his successor and i will give you an answer, unless you have a name you'd like to put forward?

And incase its escaped your attention, we've lost 7 games not 4 out of 28, thats 7 games in the 2nd tier of this *****y league.

Calm down and breathe

Bringing terry butcher into your argument sums up your thought process and not one I care to discuss.

That was some of the worst football ever and u think he would have got us up, he did a blinding job at Newport as well.

Words fail me with some hibs fans if they even are fans

[Thecat23]

When the defence of a manager becomes
1. Now is not the right time
2. He just needs a bit more time to turn things round.
3. We can't just keep sacking managers.
4. Who would we get to replace him.
then you know he is in real trouble.
I'm not saying we should sack him just yet but he need to pull us out this tailspin very quickly.
This is not people knee jerk reacting to a couple of bad results, this is a long term problem of his team's not scoring enough goals. He needs to fix it now or the club need to act before its to late.


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So what one is it? Leave him to do it or sack him??

[blackpoolhibs]

Calm down and breathe

Bringing terry butcher into your argument sums up your thought process and not one I care to discuss.

That was some of the worst football ever and u think he would have got us up, he did a blinding job at Newport as well.

Words fail me with some hibs fans if they even are fans

You are not doing a very good job at not discussing it. :faf: For what its worth, i pointed out his managerial record on here before he'd got the job, and asked just why he was even being considered.

Although he does have on his cv a promotion from this league and a team that had as good a record if not even better than Stubbs in this league.

[Ozyhibby]

So what one is it? Leave him to do it or sack him??

I would prefer Stubbs to fix the problem but if this Butcheresqe run continues then there is a case for bringing in someone else in time for the play offs to try and turn things round. Waiting till it's too late again as we did in 2014 should not be an option.
Whatever happens now, this league campaign has been a failure. For us to have not improved on last season is absolutely criminal.


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[mcfly]

You are not doing a very good job at not discussing it. :faf: For what its worth, i pointed out his managerial record on here before he'd got the job, and asked just why he was even being considered.

Although he does have on his cv a promotion from this league and a team that had as good a record if not even better than Stubbs in this league.

I think we all know who is being laughed at on this forum at the moment and it ain't me pal.....

Trying to defend terry butcher oh dear - go see your gp Monday morning

[Thecat23]

I would prefer Stubbs to fix the problem but if this Butcheresqe run continues then there is a case for bringing in someone else in time for the play offs to try and turn things round. Waiting till it's too late again as we did in 2014 should not be an option.
Whatever happens now, this league campaign has been a failure. For us to have not improved on last season is absolutely criminal.


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It's not a failure unless we don't go up. We can finish fourth and go up and that would be an improvement on last season because we failed in the play offs. You were saying promotion is a must or its failure, nothing has changed so don't be saying Hibs have failed when nothing has been decided.

[blackpoolhibs]

I think we all know who is being laughed at on this forum at the moment and it ain't me pal.....

Trying to defend terry butcher oh dear - go see your gp Monday morning

I was there on Friday, things have got worse since then.

[Andy74]

It's not a failure unless we don't go up. We can finish fourth and go up and that would be an improvement on last season because we failed in the play offs. You were saying promotion is a must or its failure, nothing has changed so don't be saying Hibs have failed when nothing has been decided.

Our league position hadn't been anywhere near decided when you were railing against previous managers.

[Ronniekirk]

It's not a failure unless we don't go up. We can finish fourth and go up and that would be an improvement on last season because we failed in the play offs. You were saying promotion is a must or its failure, nothing has changed so don't be saying Hibs have failed when nothing has been decided.

So we have gone from title contenders to certs for second to as long as we finish fourth we could still go up
Lets get back to we want to finish second ,and its Stubbs and the players jobs to make that happen
Ive now got St Mirren fans telling me they think they can catch us green grin



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[Thecat23]

Our league position hadn't been anywhere near decided when you were railing against previous managers.

Andy who's decision was it to leave Hibs? Many fans could see it was to big for him, he himself said it was to big for him. So was Fenlon wrong to walk because he did just that walked.

[Thecat23]

I think we all know who is being laughed at on this forum at the moment and it ain't me pal.....

Trying to defend terry butcher oh dear - go see your gp Monday morning

No point, I can see along with others Stubbs must change things but some folk on here are taking it a bit to far and bringing in Butcher statements.

[mcfly]

No point, I can see along with others Stubbs must change things but some folk on here are taking it a bit to far and bringing in Butcher statements.


Totally agree - judge Stubbs when season is over.

Still so much to play for - can still be amazing but now isn't the time to stop backing the team and manager

Once we get mcgeough, fyvie and Hanlon back we will start winning again.

[Thecat23]

Totally agree - judge Stubbs when season is over.

Still so much to play for - can still be amazing but now isn't the time to stop backing the team and manager

Once we get mcgeough, fyvie and Hanlon back we will start winning again.

We really miss having a full squad to pick from just now. I'm with you on that and think having all three back would see us over the line.

[Smartie]

When did Rangers appoint McCall last season?

He certainly improved them, even if they fell short in the end against Motherwell.

FWIW I don't think we should be replacing Stubbs - my main criticism of him is complacency, I don't think he's felt the urgency to change something that blatantly hasn't been working well enough for a while now. He seemed to think that by plugging away and keeping faith then we'd be ok.

I got the feeling yesterday that something changed in him. He's now got 2 weeks to get prepared for a monumentally big month.

There is not a shortage of quality within our squad, he has options.

Interesting that Butcher has been brought up - I thought yesterday was as bad as anything Butcher dished up. The 2nd half aimless hoofball was brutal, the defending was atrocious and much of our attacking play was directionless against a poorer standard of team than Butcher had to play every week.

Much work to be done but we have to back the manager and players and see this through.

[blackpoolhibs]

No point, I can see along with others Stubbs must change things but some folk on here are taking it a bit to far and bringing in Butcher statements.

But Butchers one real success was in this division. I get it, no pressure on him.

[H18 SFR]

The number of people suggesting that Stubbs is not the man for the job grows each week - admittedly only steadily. For the record I was pro Stubbs until last night. I've seen enough in recent weeks to suggest that we are just Alan Stubbs' guniea pigs. I've no doubt he will have a good career as a manager, all the **** ups just now will stand him in good stead.

A wee straw poll amongst our group of hibbys who go re Stubbs and our current situation suggested that he was in favour 60/40. I am not suggesting that will be representative of the wider fan base but it is insightful.

[keep the faith]

No point, I can see along with others Stubbs must change things but some folk on here are taking it a bit to far and bringing in Butcher statements.

Fair play to you for continuing to be the voice of reason mate.

I just bail out as its the same people banging out the same arguments and campaigns they did as they pushed and pushed to empty the last few managers.
It's boring and counter productive. Stubbs is not perfect and has made mistakes. He is also the best manager we have had for years. Anytime I get frustrated with his reluctance to put on subs I think of the hours I spent watching the stadium clock under fenlon. When i wish he would stop playing keatings in a diamond I think back to butchers torpedo football.

This guy is a good YOUNG manager who us dealing with his first sticky patch. Let's see what he does and back him. For me he needs to address the confidence. Cummings is a good player. Fontaine is a good player but they and others are not playing well. I hope some positive thinking work is done during this break. Sports psychologists for example.
The idea of emptying Stubbs is madness and only gives the usual suspects on here something to bleat about.

Me, I'm backing this regime to the hilt.

[Thecat23]

Fair play to you for continuing to be the voice of reason mate.

I just bail out as its the same people banging out the same arguments and campaigns they did as they pushed and pushed to empty the last few managers.
It's boring and counter productive. Stubbs is not perfect and has made mistakes. He is also the best manager we have had for years. Anytime I get frustrated with his reluctance to put on subs I think of the hours I spent watching the stadium clock under fenlon. When i wish he would stop playing keatings in a diamond I think back to butchers torpedo football.

This guy is a good YOUNG manager who us dealing with his first sticky patch. Let's see what he does and back him. For me he needs to address the confidence. Cummings is a good player. Fontaine is a good player but they and others are not playing well. I hope some positive thinking work is done during this break. Sports psychologists for example.
The idea of emptying Stubbs is madness and only gives the usual suspects on here something to bleat about.

Me, I'm backing this regime to the hilt.

That is exactly where I am at mate. 👍🏼👍🏼

[hibsbollah]

Fair play to you for continuing to be the voice of reason mate.

I just bail out as its the same people banging out the same arguments and campaigns they did as they pushed and pushed to empty the last few managers.
It's boring and counter productive. Stubbs is not perfect and has made mistakes. He is also the best manager we have had for years. Anytime I get frustrated with his reluctance to put on subs I think of the hours I spent watching the stadium clock under fenlon. When i wish he would stop playing keatings in a diamond I think back to butchers torpedo football.

This guy is a good YOUNG manager who us dealing with his first sticky patch. Let's see what he does and back him. For me he needs to address the confidence. Cummings is a good player. Fontaine is a good player but they and others are not playing well. I hope some positive thinking work is done during this break. Sports psychologists for example.
The idea of emptying Stubbs is madness and only gives the usual suspects on here something to bleat about.

Me, I'm backing this regime to the hilt.

me 100% :top marks

[HoboHarry]

Fair play to you for continuing to be the voice of reason mate.

I just bail out as its the same people banging out the same arguments and campaigns they did as they pushed and pushed to empty the last few managers.
It's boring and counter productive. Stubbs is not perfect and has made mistakes. He is also the best manager we have had for years. Anytime I get frustrated with his reluctance to put on subs I think of the hours I spent watching the stadium clock under fenlon. When i wish he would stop playing keatings in a diamond I think back to butchers torpedo football.

This guy is a good YOUNG manager who us dealing with his first sticky patch. Let's see what he does and back him. For me he needs to address the confidence. Cummings is a good player. Fontaine is a good player but they and others are not playing well. I hope some positive thinking work is done during this break. Sports psychologists for example.
The idea of emptying Stubbs is madness and only gives the usual suspects on here something to bleat about.

Me, I'm backing this regime to the hilt.

Well said 👍. For the most part I also stay off this board after a defeat, the level of negativity is just appalling.

[The_Horde]

And has now turned on his players. [emoji26]


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There's a massive difference between slating players when you're barely in the door and slating a team that you've built and who respect your views.

There's also a huge difference between telling players they haven't been performing well enough and will find their place under threat and telling players they'll be gone in the summer cos they're pish.

Stubbs is well within his rights.

[superfurryhibby]

Has anyone really supported sacking Stubbs now?

Anyone who isn't questioning WTF is happening and recognising that there is chaos at ER right now needs to get real. The season is in danger of imploding, can Stubbs reverse that? I hope to **** he can, the consequences are serious. Passive acceptance of mediocrity is the next step to giving up on caring. Once fans are lost, it can be hard to get them to return. I suspect our board are all too well aware of this.

****ing baffled by it all.

[SJM]

Fair play to you for continuing to be the voice of reason mate.

I just bail out as its the same people banging out the same arguments and campaigns they did as they pushed and pushed to empty the last few managers.
It's boring and counter productive. Stubbs is not perfect and has made mistakes. He is also the best manager we have had for years. Anytime I get frustrated with his reluctance to put on subs I think of the hours I spent watching the stadium clock under fenlon. When i wish he would stop playing keatings in a diamond I think back to butchers torpedo football.

This guy is a good YOUNG manager who us dealing with his first sticky patch. Let's see what he does and back him. For me he needs to address the confidence. Cummings is a good player. Fontaine is a good player but they and others are not playing well. I hope some positive thinking work is done during this break. Sports psychologists for example.
The idea of emptying Stubbs is madness and only gives the usual suspects on here something to bleat about.

Me, I'm backing this regime to the hilt.


So the voice of reason is someone that you agree with then?

Stubbs has the makings of a good manager, there is no doubting that but we don't need that, we need a manager who can get us out this league. That is the be all and end all not pretty football not improvement, promotion that's it. Right now it's not happening. When do you change your opinion? When we are down here the same next season?

[superfurryhibby]

Can we merge the two threads admins. Hard to keep track and in essence they debate the same issue.

[hibsbollah]

So the voice of reason is someone that you agree with then?

?

Well, aye. That's the essence of having an opinion I would have thought:confused:

[Thecat23]

So the voice of reason is someone that you agree with then?

Stubbs has the makings of a good manager, there is no doubting that but we don't need that, we need a manager who can get us out this league. That is the be all and end all not pretty football not improvement, promotion that's it. Right now it's not happening. When do you change your opinion? When we are down here the same next season?

Could say when do you change yours? We can still go up you are speaking as if we are stuck here another year. If Stubbs gets us up what what will you think of him then?

[Captain Trips]

The team has been good enough to beat SPL opposition and the season Isn't over. It is only 4 days ago that we knocked out the Scottish cup holders on their own patch.

Pat Fenlon got us to 2 cup finals when over past 100 years better teams and managers have not, yeah we beat some SPL teams we have a better team than a lot of SPL teams which makes our league form all the more a worry.

[SanFranHibs]

I am of course disappointed by the league run of late, however removing Stubbs has never crossed my mind!

I will be honest and say that if we do not win promotion I would worry about his ability to get us up. Even, when we are on a good run we are dreadfully inconsistent in our playing style and I worry that we will always have another 'big' (used loosely) team to fight it out with. Next year we might have Dundee Utd and another current premier team who may lose the playoffs to Falkirk (and if not then we will have a decent Falkirk team still around) and before we know it we will be saying, 'As long as we make the playoffs'.

I am not wishing to be negative and will of course support Stubbs and see how the season ends......but I have this niggling fear in the back of my mind that I just can't quite get rid of.

Come on Hibs...you have proven this year you can win against the SPL teams and in 'knockout' games. The fight is not over yet!!

:flag:

[ALF TUPPER]

Fair play to you for continuing to be the voice of reason mate.

I just bail out as its the same people banging out the same arguments and campaigns they did as they pushed and pushed to empty the last few managers.
It's boring and counter productive. Stubbs is not perfect and has made mistakes. He is also the best manager we have had for years. Anytime I get frustrated with his reluctance to put on subs I think of the hours I spent watching the stadium clock under fenlon. When i wish he would stop playing keatings in a diamond I think back to butchers torpedo football.

This guy is a good YOUNG manager who us dealing with his first sticky patch. Let's see what he does and back him. For me he needs to address the confidence. Cummings is a good player. Fontaine is a good player but they and others are not playing well. I hope some positive thinking work is done during this break. Sports psychologists for example.
The idea of emptying Stubbs is madness and only gives the usual suspects on here something to bleat about.

Me, I'm backing this regime to the hilt.

Well written ....... 👍🏻

I'm aboard this bus !
GGTTH

[Captain Trips]

I do not want Stubbs removed as yes we can still go up and if we do he deserves a crack at it, if we do not go up then that is a total failure and he should be removed right after the final whistle. I think we will come good again but we have had a real lack of killer instinct IMO for the whole tenure that has needed addressed and needs sorted asap, or we really will be in trouble.

[Thecat23]

Well written ....... 👍🏻

I'm aboard this bus !
GGTTH

I'm driving it, that'll be £1.50 to board 😁👍🏼

[ALF TUPPER]

I'm driving it, that'll be £1.50 to board 😁👍🏼

£1.50???? Robbery 😳

Do you operate the trams too ? 😊

[Thecat23]

£1.50???? Robbery 😳

Do you operate the trams too ? 😊

No the Trams are for Ozy and Blackpool Hibs 😜

[Smartie]

I do not want Stubbs removed as yes we can still go up and if we do he deserves a crack at it, if we do not go up then that is a total failure and he should be removed right after the final whistle. I think we will come good again but we have had a real lack of killer instinct IMO for the whole tenure that has needed addressed and needs sorted asap, or we really will be in trouble.

I don't agree with this.

I do think that he should be given until the end of the season. He'll know more about what goes on behind the scenes, he'll know these players better than anyone. I know it hasn't been anything like good enough recently but I still think Stubbs is more likely than anyone else to get us promoted.

If we don't go up though I think Leanne would need to have a long, hard conversation with him - similar to the one she had with Butcher. If he can't come up with answers to questions about where we've gone wrong then he'd have to go. If he can explain why we've fallen short and what he intends to do about it then I think he should be given another chance.

[Big L]

If we lose the next 2 league games which appear to be St Mirren and Livi with Dumbarton to be arranged, he has to go! I also have a feeling if that happens he will resign , because that would tell him and us that he can't turn it round, that would be 6 games without a win. Don't get me wrong, I like the big guy and he has done some really good things, but we need to get out of this league this year!! If it happens I would go for billy Davies, he has great experience and success in play off situations.

[Ozyhibby]

No the Trams are for Ozy and Blackpool Hibs [emoji12]

That's ok, you all end up jumping on my bus at the last minute anyway, after its too late. [emoji23]


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[Thecat23]

That's ok, you all end up jumping on my bus at the last minute anyway, after its too late. [emoji23]


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I'll take my car 😎

[keep the faith]

No the Trams are for Ozy and Blackpool Hibs 😜

As if the trams were not depressing enough!!! 😉

[MWHIBBIES]

If we lose the next 2 league games which appear to be St Mirren and Livi with Dumbarton to be arranged, he has to go! I also have a feeling if that happens he will resign , because that would tell him and us that he can't turn it round, that would be 6 games without a win. Don't get me wrong, I like the big guy and he has done some really good things, but we need to get out of this league this year!! If it happens I would go for billy Davies, he has great experience and success in play off situations.I'd rather get Craig Levein than Billy Davies, he is an odious little turd who I want nowhere near Easter Road.

[Kaiserclem]

I like Stubbs, I really do, and I think he took us over in a hell of a state. He, along with his back room staff, have brought us in leaps and bounds. For that, I thank them all.

But.........WTF is going on, we were flying, absolutely flying, then all of a sudden we couldn't hit a barn door in the opening 20mins at home against Morton, the wheels come off and panic football arrives. Long hump balls have actually been creeping in as far back as the Raith cup game if we're honest. Stubbs needs to stop giving the press ammunition and play it cool in interviews and not come out with silly statements (treble for example). Our tactics worry me and we constantly play players out of position, again yesterday late on we had the left footed Keatings on the right and right footed Boyle on the left. We were screaming for width but this actually compacts the formation. Keatings is a striker, simple as, but Stubbs keeps playing him at the tip of a diamond, a diamond every team in the world now knows we are going to play, Hardly makes a sub to try and change a game. Absolutely frustrating, especially when you see other managers changing formations and subs to change the game and it works. I like him as I say but losing 7 league games by mid March is unacceptable. Sort it out or make the change IMO as its getting worse.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Shouldn't we leave the discussion about a potential successor until such a point as there's a vacancy to be filled, and support the manager we have in the meantime? Things could all look rosy again in a couple of weeks time.

[mcfly]

Honestly there are some real defeatist fans on here.

A previous comment stated - If we lose the next 3 games then he must go - utter rubbish and you want him replaced with billy Davies. Utter joke

You guys should stay away and let us real fans support the manager and the team.

I hope u will come in here and apologise for your comments if we achieve promotion and or win the Scottish cup.

[Ozyhibby]

Honestly there are some real defeatist fans on here.

A previous comment stated - If we lose the next 3 games then he must go - utter rubbish and you want him replaced with billy Davies. Utter joke

You guys should stay away and let us real fans support the manager and the team.

I hope u will come in here and apologise for your comments if we achieve promotion and or win the Scottish cup.

Real fans, eh?


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[mcfly]

Yes

What fans want the manager replaced during what could be a really successful season.

Do u think your negativity helps the team?

[Aldo]

WTF are we doing talking about replacing Stubbs with Potter/Davies.

Both despicable rats and 2 people I don't want anywhere near the managers/coaching role of the club!

I'd rather have Williamson or Fenlon back before either of those *****!!

[bigwheel]

WTF are we doing talking about replacing Stubbs with Potter/Davies.

Both despicable rats and 2 people I don't want anywhere near the managers/coaching role of the club!

I'd rather have Williamson or Fenlon back before either of those *****!!


Amen to that above ....

[mcfly]

WTF are we doing talking about replacing Stubbs with Potter/Davies.

Both despicable rats and 2 people I don't want anywhere near the managers/coaching role of the club!

I'd rather have Williamson or Fenlon back before either of those *****!!

Agree 100% - crazy stuff on these pages.

Some folk need to get a grip

We win together and we lose together.

Back the team and the manager - this is his first real spell of bad form

Give him a break.

[JimBHibees]

Agree 100% - crazy stuff on these pages.

Some folk need to get a grip

We win together and we lose together.

Back the team and the manager - this is his first real spell of bad form

Give him a break.

Agree the glee which some seem to be so keen to put the boot in is surprising IMO.

[Eyrie]

Honestly there are some real defeatist fans on here.

A previous comment stated - If we lose the next 3 games then he must go - utter rubbish and you want him replaced with billy Davies. Utter joke

You guys should stay away and let us real fans support the manager and the team.

I hope u will come in here and apologise for your comments if we achieve promotion and or win the Scottish cup.

Real fans don't support the manager regardless of the evidence, real fans want the team to be successful.

I've supported Stubbs in the past when there was no evidence either way and supported him when the evidence has been supportive. Now the evidence is calling his judgement into question, and so I'm questioning whether he can fix the current problems. If he can, then the evidence will lead me to support him again and if he can't, then the evidence will lead me to want a new manager.

"When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?"

[mcfly]

I don't think about it as much as you do obviously.

I'm a fan I support my team good or bad.

I don't call for the sacking of a manager after a bad run of games and want him replaced.

[Expecting Rain]

Pat Fenlon got us to 2 cup finals when over past 100 years better teams and managers have not, yeah we beat some SPL teams we have a better team than a lot of SPL teams which makes our league form all the more a worry.

I respect your points which are based on statistics but sometimes details are important too and there were three influential players sitting in the stands last night, keep the faith and support Stubbs, he won't be leaving us because of a sacking it will be because he has the potential to be successful elsewhere.

[ancient hibee]

Real fans don't support the manager regardless of the evidence, real fans want the team to be successful.

I've supported Stubbs in the past when there was no evidence either way and supported him when the evidence has been supportive. Now the evidence is calling his judgement into question, and so I'm questioning whether he can fix the current problems. If he can, then the evidence will lead me to support him again and if he can't, then the evidence will lead me to want a new manager.

"When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?"

So you support him when things go well and don't when they don't all in the space of a month?We probably lost last night because a good player(our top goal scorer over two seasons despite being a kid) hit the bar from 18 inches-what is Stubbs supposed to do about that?When the facts change?Either he is a good manager or he isn't-he can't be both.Perhaps you should try "I have my principles but if you want I can change them."

[stantonhibby]

So you support him when things go well and don't when they don't all in the space of a month?We probably lost last night because a good player(our top goal scorer over two seasons despite being a kid) hit the bar from 18 inches-what is Stubbs supposed to do about that?When the facts change?Either he is a good manager or he isn't-he can't be both.Perhaps you should try "I have my principles but if you want I can change them."

Agree with this.

[MWHIBBIES]

WTF are we doing talking about replacing Stubbs with Potter/Davies.

Both despicable rats and 2 people I don't want anywhere near the managers/coaching role of the club!

I'd rather have Williamson or Fenlon back before either of those *****!!Who was talking about replacing Stubbs with Potter? Certainly wasn't me. I said ''I'd rather have Levein as Hibs manager than Billy Davies'', I'd rather have Stubbs than both though.

[SJM]

WTF are we doing talking about replacing Stubbs with Potter/Davies.

Both despicable rats and 2 people I don't want anywhere near the managers/coaching role of the club!

I'd rather have Williamson or Fenlon back before either of those *****!!

You woukd rather have a manager who wouldn't take us up instead of proven managers based on their history and background?

We are a football club, not the jelly club. I want a manager, nice or not that will get us up. That is all that matters. Nothing else.

[blackpoolhibs]

You woukd rather have a manager who wouldn't take us up instead of proven managers based on their history and background?

We are a football club, not the jelly club. I want a manager, nice or not that will get us up. That is all that matters. Nothing else.

:agree: We appear to have a club that our support need to have a saint as a manager who will play the game like the tornadoes, and be mr nice to everyone on the planet.

Give me a winner every time, anything else is just a loser.

[Marco G]

:agree: We appear to have a club that our support need to have a saint as a manager who will play the game like the tornadoes, and be mr nice to everyone on the planet.

Give me a winner every time, anything else is just a loser. Fine, we are in luck , because the manager we have is a winner, from what I can see.

[Captain Trips]

I respect your points which are based on statistics but sometimes details are important too and there were three influential players sitting in the stands last night, keep the faith and support Stubbs, he won't be leaving us because of a sacking it will be because he has the potential to be successful elsewhere.

Falkirk had injuries etc? Look each season should be improving and this season we have not really, we have lacked goals from day one which put us at a massive disadvantage.

Now yeah we can wait until seasons end and then discuss but it's a message board things get discussed as they happen, just like when things go well. If we are to wait until end of season then what's point of this place? Let's just open it on day one then close it and reopen on last day.

We are not where I believe we should be in our 2nd season in this division 14pts off top and automatic promotion is poor. We should be going up not maybe through various play off matches.

[Eyrie]

So you support him when things go well and don't when they don't all in the space of a month?We probably lost last night because a good player(our top goal scorer over two seasons despite being a kid) hit the bar from 18 inches-what is Stubbs supposed to do about that?When the facts change?Either he is a good manager or he isn't-he can't be both.Perhaps you should try "I have my principles but if you want I can change them."

So how do you decide someone is a good manager? Do you base it on good cup runs against top flight opposition, or do you judge on losing four games in a row to weaker teams?

A month ago I supported Stubbs. Now I am questioning that support, and if the current struggles continue then I will withdraw that support. I'm sticking to my principle that I want what is best for Hibs, and will rely on the evidence to decide whether something or someone is helping achieve that.

By your logic I should have supported Butcher right up until Dempster fired him, at which point I should have done a volte face and immediately contradicted everything that I'd said in his favour. Got to toe the party line and show no dissent.

[broondog]

Real fans don't support the manager regardless of the evidence, real fans want the team to be successful.

I've supported Stubbs in the past when there was no evidence either way and supported him when the evidence has been supportive. Now the evidence is calling his judgement into question, and so I'm questioning whether he can fix the current problems. If he can, then the evidence will lead me to support him again and if he can't, then the evidence will lead me to want a new manager.

"When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?"

As sensible a post as you're likely to find on here. Similarly he had my full backing until very recently. But given we cannot even guarantee 2nd anymore, questions have to be asked of stubbs and the team especially as some of his decisions (at key point in recent matches) have been baffling. To finish 3rd would be worse than last season ffs.

Really can't understand people who blindly follow managers/players regardless, what is that going to achieve? why pretend everything is all rosy when it simply isn't, it ultimately will hurt us in the long run having that attitude. As youve said mate another winning run could change everything but until then I will correctly criticise the manager as it hasnt been good enough. And those citing the Fenlon days as supposedly worse than now get a grip. Fenlon got us back in Europe, kept us mid-table in the spl as well as getting to consecutive scottish cup finals whist stubbs is making a pigs ear out of getting out of this league and has lost a very winnable final.

[Cameron1875]

No H**s at Hibs please.

Miller, Williamson, Butcher were hardly warmly received here for different reasons so it would worry me if we were looking at Billy Davies, McCall types.

[Aldo]

You woukd rather have a manager who wouldn't take us up instead of proven managers based on their history and background? We are a football club, not the jelly club. I want a manager, nice or not that will get us up. That is all that matters. Nothing else.

So you would be happy with Potter managing Hibs.... Really! REALLY!

that's a total crock btw.

So let me get this right! You would be happy for Potter to be the Hibs manager!

Right then!

That's one way of losing your support.

[Aldo]

:agree: We appear to have a club that our support need to have a saint as a manager who will play the game like the tornadoes, and be mr nice to everyone on the planet. Give me a winner every time, anything else is just a loser.

I'm not after a saint BH and yes a winner but Potter!!!

[Thecat23]

As sensible a post as you're likely to find on here. Similarly he had my full backing until very recently. But given we cannot even guarantee 2nd anymore, questions have to be asked of stubbs and the team especially as some of his decisions (at key point in recent matches) have been baffling. To finish 3rd would be worse than last season ffs.

Really can't understand people who blindly follow managers/players regardless, what is that going to achieve? why pretend everything is all rosy when it simply isn't, it ultimately will hurt us in the long run having that attitude. As youve said mate another winning run could change everything but until then I will correctly criticise the manager as it hasnt been good enough. And those citing the Fenlon days as supposedly worse than now get a grip. Fenlon got us back in Europe, kept us mid-table in the spl as well as getting to consecutive scottish cup finals whist stubbs is making a pigs ear out of getting out of this league and has lost a very winnable final.

Aye no bother 👍🏼

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Real fans don't support the manager regardless of the evidence, real fans want the team to be successful.

I've supported Stubbs in the past when there was no evidence either way and supported him when the evidence has been supportive. Now the evidence is calling his judgement into question, and so I'm questioning whether he can fix the current problems. If he can, then the evidence will lead me to support him again and if he can't, then the evidence will lead me to want a new manager.

"When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?"

What's your lag time between the change?

[The Harp Awakes]

When you consider the shambles Stubbs inherited he has worked wonders to to turn things around. A month or so ago we were on the crest of a wave having just beaten Hearts, clear in 2nd place and on Rangers coat tails for top spot and had a League Cup Final to come.

As with any inexperienced Manager however they make mistakes. Stubbs has been too loyal to certain players in the team and has learned a hard lesson. Our captain is a shadow of the player he was last season and our top scorer has been completely out of form for weeks now. Both should have been dropped from the team several games ago and it's not as if we don't have cover in the squad for both positions.

Stubbs I think is a bit too close to his players and needs to be more ruthless. Hearing his after match interview on Saturday I think he now sees this and I would expect changes for our next game.Talk of replacing the Manager however are crazy. The time to judge him is the end of the season and I'm still confident he will turn around the current slump. We have a lot of talent in our squad and key players returning from injury will help at a crucial time.

[Expecting Rain]

Falkirk had injuries etc? Look each season should be improving and this season we have not really, we have lacked goals from day one which put us at a massive disadvantage.

Now yeah we can wait until seasons end and then discuss but it's a message board things get discussed as they happen, just like when things go well. If we are to wait until end of season then what's point of this place? Let's just open it on day one then close it and reopen on last day.

We are not where I believe we should be in our 2nd season in this division 14pts off top and automatic promotion is poor. We should be going up not maybe through various play off matches.

We finished above Rangers last season but still lost out in the play offs, we are still in a position to reach 2nd place and possibly another cup final, we have played good football for the majority of the season, yes you are correct the board is the place for discussion and that is what we are all doing.

[SJM]

So you would be happy with Potter managing Hibs.... Really! REALLY!

that's a total crock btw.

So let me get this right! You would be happy for Potter to be the Hibs manager!

Right then!



That's one way of losing your support.

Did I once mention the name Levein or Potter? I can't stand the man and I don't rate him as much of a football manager in the modern day.

Someone with his attitude that was to come into the club and take us up though? Of course I would, that's their job, just like it is Alan Stubbs' and if he doesn't take us up he's failing at his job, as simple as that. The cup runs aside we have been poor in the majority of matches this season hardly ever winning comfortably the way Hearts did now Rangers are and there is no excuse for being six points behind second placed Falkirk, none at all.

Do I want Stubbs to be our manager? Yes.
Do I think he will do his job and take us up? 50/50
If he doesn't serious questions need to be asked to if he is worthy of yet another shot at taking us out the lower leagues.

[Captain Trips]

We finished above Rangers last season but still lost out in the play offs, we are still in a position to reach 2nd place and possibly another cup final, we have played good football for the majority of the season, yes you are correct the board is the place for discussion and that is what we are all doing.

Exactly and now we are discussing things as they are of now. I do think if we reach playoff final then I feel we are equipped to beat any of the likely teams in SPL but I also think the the other teams in playoff will feel the same about playing us.

My issue with Stubbs is what was said after Raith should have been said months before, now let's see if it has an impact as we need some form and fast. I will stick with my thoughts that if he cannot get us promotion in 2 seasons he is not good enough at this time for us.

[The Green Goblin]

I think it is worth remembering that the situation feels more intense because the stakes are so high. Simply put, we can't afford, literally, to be in this division, if the club's potential and longer term ambitions are to be realised. We all feel that, so the problem that creates is that each game we lose feels like it's ten times the disappointment. This also means it's ten times the pressure on Stubbs and the players.

Our results against premiership opposition this season, Ross County aside, have shown that we would probably be doing quite well in the division above. As others have said, it is our failure to finish teams who set out to block rather than attack us, which has cost us. That is Stubbs' responsibility to fix, but again, we have to remember that this is only the second season of Stubbs' managerial career, he is new to this, so obviously he is not going to get everything right. The problem with that is that any "mistakes" he might be making or temporary slumps in form that happen feel much more frustrating and costly than they would do if we were safely in the premiership. Instead, they remind us that we are facing the awful prospect of a third season in this league with each passing bad result. That's a pretty tense place for an effectively rookie manager (seen in the context of a career which can span decades) to find himself in. So far, he has got far more right than he has got wrong.

The promotion race is not yet done. He is also two games away from delivering the holy grail. Of course questions need to be asked, in view of recent results, but until all of these things are decided definitively, I think we should continue to give him and the players our full support.

[The_Horde]

WTF are we doing talking about replacing Stubbs with Potter/Davies.

Both despicable rats and 2 people I don't want anywhere near the managers/coaching role of the club!

I'd rather have Williamson or Fenlon back before either of those *****!!

Precisely. These people are kneejerk idiots if you ask me.

Sure, he has to come under pressure for bad results. But to sack him before the fat lady has sung? Mental. If it gets to the end of the season and we're not promoted, then we can talk

Until then, Stubbs at least deserves the opportunity to deliver that. People saying he should go now are mental.

[SJM]

Precisely. These people are kneejerk idiots if you ask me.

Sure, he has to come under pressure for bad results. But to sack him before the fat lady has sung? Mental. If it gets to the end of the season and we're not promoted, then we can talk

Until then, Stubbs at least deserves the opportunity to deliver that. People saying he should go now are mental.


It's been asked before and I'll ask again -

Who has said Stubbs should go now? I can't see one single post stating this.

[Lago]

It's been asked before and I'll ask again -

Who has said Stubbs should go now? I can't see one single post stating this.
No one has said he should go now, however contrary to what a lot believe Hibs have not moved forwatd this season and look to have merely been running on the spot. Disappointing.

[SJM]

No one has said he should go now, however contrary to what a lot believe Hibs have not moved forwatd this season and look to have merely been running on the spot. Disappointing.

People can have opinions based on their beliefs - that's all good.
There's poster after poster on both Stubbs thread saying "whoever is saying Stubbs should go now...." when there's nobody saying that at all.

He has the full backing 100% of the club and the support imo - until the summer. Results from now until then will reveal if Stubbs' is building for our first season back up in the top flight or sitting on ITV as a pundit for Euro 2016.

[Captain Trips]

It's been asked before and I'll ask again -

Who has said Stubbs should go now? I can't see one single post stating this.

Indeed, I am not best pleased just now but haven't stated he should go now, only if we do not go up should it be reviewed.

[SJM]

Indeed, I am not best pleased just now but haven't stated he should go now, only if we do not go up should it be reviewed.

Me too, and I'm sure that's the opinion of many others.

It's not even borderline or anywhere near it for me - I want AS to stay which has meant he's succeeded.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I think it is worth remembering that the situation feels more intense because the stakes are so high. Simply put, we can't afford, literally, to be in this division, if the club's potential and longer term ambitions are to be realised. We all feel that, so the problem that creates is that each game we lose feels like it's ten times the disappointment. This also means it's ten times the pressure on Stubbs and the players.

Our results against premiership opposition this season, Ross County aside, have shown that we would probably be doing quite well in the division above. As others have said, it is our failure to finish teams who set out to block rather than attack us, which has cost us. That is Stubbs' responsibility to fix, but again, we have to remember that this is only the second season of Stubbs' managerial career, he is new to this, so obviously he is not going to get everything right. The problem with that is that any "mistakes" he might be making or temporary slumps in form that happen feel much more frustrating and costly than they would do if we were safely in the premiership. Instead, they remind us that we are facing the awful prospect of a third season in this league with each passing bad result. That's a pretty tense place for an effectively rookie manager (seen in the context of a career which can span decades) to find himself in. So far, he has got far more right than he has got wrong.

The promotion race is not yet done. He is also two games away from delivering the holy grail. Of course questions need to be asked, in view of recent results, but until all of these things are decided definitively, I think we should continue to give him and the players our full support.

:agree:

A balanced approach

[Lago]

:top marks
People can have opinions based on their beliefs - that's all good.
There's poster after poster on both Stubbs thread saying "whoever is saying Stubbs should go now...." when there's nobody saying that at all.

He has the full backing 100% of the club and the support imo - until the summer. Results from now until then will reveal if Stubbs' is building for our first season back up in the top flight or sitting on ITV as a pundit for Euro 2016.

[JimBHibees]

Fair play to you for continuing to be the voice of reason mate.

I just bail out as its the same people banging out the same arguments and campaigns they did as they pushed and pushed to empty the last few managers.
It's boring and counter productive. Stubbs is not perfect and has made mistakes. He is also the best manager we have had for years. Anytime I get frustrated with his reluctance to put on subs I think of the hours I spent watching the stadium clock under fenlon. When i wish he would stop playing keatings in a diamond I think back to butchers torpedo football.

This guy is a good YOUNG manager who us dealing with his first sticky patch. Let's see what he does and back him. For me he needs to address the confidence. Cummings is a good player. Fontaine is a good player but they and others are not playing well. I hope some positive thinking work is done during this break. Sports psychologists for example.
The idea of emptying Stubbs is madness and only gives the usual suspects on here something to bleat about.

Me, I'm backing this regime to the hilt.

Good post.

[The_Horde]

I think it is worth remembering that the situation feels more intense because the stakes are so high. Simply put, we can't afford, literally, to be in this division, if the club's potential and longer term ambitions are to be realised. We all feel that, so the problem that creates is that each game we lose feels like it's ten times the disappointment. This also means it's ten times the pressure on Stubbs and the players.

Our results against premiership opposition this season, Ross County aside, have shown that we would probably be doing quite well in the division above. As others have said, it is our failure to finish teams who set out to block rather than attack us, which has cost us. That is Stubbs' responsibility to fix, but again, we have to remember that this is only the second season of Stubbs' managerial career, he is new to this, so obviously he is not going to get everything right. The problem with that is that any "mistakes" he might be making or temporary slumps in form that happen feel much more frustrating and costly than they would do if we were safely in the premiership. Instead, they remind us that we are facing the awful prospect of a third season in this league with each passing bad result. That's a pretty tense place for an effectively rookie manager (seen in the context of a career which can span decades) to find himself in. So far, he has got far more right than he has got wrong.

The promotion race is not yet done. He is also two games away from delivering the holy grail. Of course questions need to be asked, in view of recent results, but until all of these things are decided definitively, I think we should continue to give him and the players our full support.

Bloody well said, sir.

[Eyrie]

What's your lag time between the change?

That depends on how quickly the evidence accumulates.

Right now the evidence is making me question my support for Stubbs. If it continues to mount against him then I will have to change my mind and start calling for his departure.

If he doesn't go, then it will take some time for enough positive evidence to build up before I could resume my support for him.

In both cases my support for Stubbs is based on whether I think he is the right man for Hibs.