Stubbs

[blackpoolhibs]

Did you have that post drafted and ready to go at full time?

Nope, just read it and replied. Dont worry though, they were lucky. :rolleyes:

[Baader]

Houston for Hibs, you read it here first. He clearly knows how to manage a budget much better than our manager, a much smaller budget at that.

Funniest thing I've read in a good while. Be good to get in a manager the majority of fans can't stand and a man who seems to have a particular dislike of Hibernian FC

[cabbageandribs1875]

Aye right, how do you like being 6 points behind Falkirk in the 2nd tier, how long would any manager need to achieve that? Houston for Hibs, you read it here first. He clearly knows how to manage a budget much better than our manager, a much smaller budget at that.


i'm not too sure it's to do with budgets, the formation a team play and the willingness of a manager to change formation when needed is probably why Falkirk are flying this season, although i'm not sure if they've had a settled squad without the injuries we've had

[blackpoolhibs]

i'm not too sure it's to do with budgets, the formation a team play and the willingness of a manager to change formation when needed is probably why Falkirk are flying

Its obviously a tongue in cheek comment, but Houston has done a superb job at Falkirk. They are a real threat to us in the play offs.

[Andy74]

Funniest thing I've read in a good while. Be good to get in a manager the majority of fans can't stand and a man who seems to have a particular dislike of Hibernian FC

Agreed. But that aside he must be a better manager than anyone in this league?

[MWHIBBIES]

Its obviously a tongue in cheek comment, but Houston has done a superb job at Falkirk. They are a real threat to us in the play offs.Not if the last 4 games between the teams are anything to go on, Hibs much better in all 4.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Its obviously a tongue in cheek comment, but Houston has done a superb job at Falkirk. They are a real threat to us in the play offs.



certainly can't disagree with that

[Gordy M]

i'm not too sure it's to do with budgets, the formation a team play and the willingness of a manager to change formation when needed is probably why Falkirk are flying this season, although i'm not sure if they've had a settled squad without the injuries we've had

They werent flying last week when they lost a goal inthe last minute to ten men dumbarton? They have drawn 3 of their previous 5. I think both falkirk and rangers will drop points before the end of the season, its whether we can win all ours is the question.

[Thecat23]

Aye right, how do you like being 6 points behind Falkirk in the 2nd tier, how long would any manager need to achieve that? Houston for Hibs, you read it here first. He clearly knows how to manage a budget much better than our manager, a much smaller budget at that.

We are behind just now as we have played 3 games less. So again I'll ask you what do you want done? You are saying how long would a manager get, do you think he needs to go? Or you happy to give him time?

As for Houston he's done a fantastic job with Falkirk. Defo punched above their weight and that happens.

[blackpoolhibs]

Not if the last 4 games between the teams are anything to go on, Hibs much better in all 4.

Hopefully we can continue that if we meet in the play offs.

[Smartie]

It's won the championship the last 2 seasons

Has any team ever won anything playing "the diamond"?

Serious question, I don't know.

Did Chelsea play with it for a while, fat Frank at the tip?

[Thecat23]

Hopefully we can continue that if we meet in the play offs.

Hopefully, because we really have been the better team in all the games.

[Thecat23]

Has any team ever won anything playing "the diamond"?

Serious question, I don't know.

Did Chelsea play with it for a while, fat Frank at the tip?

Sure Chelsea did and also Man U did they not for a while play with the diamond?

[Smartie]

Sure Chelsea did and also Man U did they not for a while play with the diamond?

Not sure about Man U, I'm sure I remember Chelsea playing it.

The only other time I remember people talking about it was when England tried it (unsuccessfully).

[cabbageandribs1875]

Not if the last 4 games between the teams are anything to go on, Hibs much better in all 4.


i honestly can't see how you come to that conclusion :confused: our last two games ended 1-1 and 1-1, game before that at Falkirk we scored our goal in the first half and we had our backs to the wall for almost entire 2nd half, last season we beat them once in FIVE attempts(inc cup game)

[Thecat23]

Not sure about Man U, I'm sure I remember Chelsea playing it.

The only other time I remember people talking about it was when England tried it (unsuccessfully).

Let's be honest, England have tried God knows how many formations to fit in managers fav players and it's backfired in all tournaments 😁

[JimBHibees]

Has any team ever won anything playing "the diamond"?

Serious question, I don't know.

Did Chelsea play with it for a while, fat Frank at the tip?

Think juventus have used it

[Velma Dinkley]

We should be well ahead of a team that has played 3 more games than us. We are lucky they have haven't played more games or they could have been even further ahead.

[Thecat23]

i honestly can't see how you come to that conclusion :confused: our last two games ended 1-1 and 1-1, game before that at Falkirk we scored our goal in the first half and we had our backs to the wall for almost entire 2nd half, last season we beat them once in FIVE attempts(inc cup game)

Game in Jan, we had 52% possession and we had 21 shots at goal to their 8.

[Scorrie]

Think juventus have used it

You're right but they had Pirlo in there and to be honest your midfield could play any formation you want with him there!

[MWHIBBIES]

Has any team ever won anything playing "the diamond"?

Serious question, I don't know.

Did Chelsea play with it for a while, fat Frank at the tip?Many Italian teams have played that way for years, Milan won European cups playing 4-3-1-2/4-1-2-1-2.

[MWHIBBIES]

i honestly can't see how you come to that conclusion :confused: our last two games ended 1-1 and 1-1, game before that at Falkirk we scored our goal in the first half and we had our backs to the wall for almost entire 2nd half, last season we beat them once in FIVE attempts(inc cup game)We were absolutely all over them in the 1-1 games (before McGinn red card at ER) and we were honestly pretty comfortable in the 1-0 win. 3-0 game wasn't even close.

[Andy74]

We should be well ahead of a team that has played 3 more games than us. We are lucky they have haven't played more games or they could have been even further ahead.

Eh, yes, assuming we win all 3 and we go 3 in front I would have been very disappointed if you told me before the season started that we would be so close at this stage.

[blackpoolhibs]

We were absolutely all over them in the 1-1 games (before McGinn red card at ER) and we were honestly pretty comfortable in the 1-0 win. 3-0 game wasn't even close.

I agree, and the same on sunday too and we didnt win that one either.

[Thecat23]

Eh, yes, assuming we win all 3 and we go 3 in front I would have been very disappointed if you told me before the season started that we would be so close at this stage.

No one knew they would do so well. Falkirk have done superb so don't think it's fair to say It's disappointing Hibs are so close. I'd never have guessed they would be up there.

[cabbageandribs1875]

I agree, and the same on sunday too and we didnt win that one either.


saved me typing a rather long reply to that one, the history books won't show ross co league cup winners season 2015-2016...BUT it won't have an added line saying BUT hibs had 57% and were all over them

[MWHIBBIES]

I agree, and the same on sunday too and we didnt win that one either.1-1 away at Falkirk isn't a bad result, neither is 1-1 when you have to play with 10 men for over half the game.

[B.H.F.C]

No one knew they would do so well. Falkirk have done superb so don't think it's fair to say It's disappointing Hibs are so close. I'd never have guessed they would be up there.

It's disappointing that we are so far off the top though. Competing with Falkirk isn't really our benchmark surely?

[Thecat23]

It's disappointing that we are so far off the top though. Competing with Falkirk isn't really our benchmark surely?

Yeah it's disappointing we aren't closer. Win the game in hand and it doesn't look as bad as it does now though. Again it's out with our control what Falkirk do and I'm sure Man City fans aren't saying it's shocking we can't compete with Leicester City.

Sometime teams have little resources and do very well.

[keep the faith]

Yeah it's disappointing we aren't closer. Win the game in hand and it doesn't look as bad as it does now though. Again it's out with our control what Falkirk do and I'm sure Man City fans aren't saying it's shocking we can't compete with Leicester City.

Sometime teams have little resources and do very well.

Exactly

[Andy74]

Yeah it's disappointing we aren't closer. Win the game in hand and it doesn't look as bad as it does now though. Again it's out with our control what Falkirk do and I'm sure Man City fans aren't saying it's shocking we can't compete with Leicester City.

Sometime teams have little resources and do very well.

Our goal was to win the league so the gap still looks horrendous.

Falkirk have done well and it happens but we haven't helped by losing twice as many games so far, scoring less goals and conceding more.

Is the argument not that we have come on a long way as a team? To be scrapping with Falkirk two years on? Is that what we had in mind?

Of course Man City fans think they are underperforming. They are also changing manager.

[keep the faith]

Our goal was to win the league so the gap still looks horrendous.

Falkirk have done well and it happens but we haven't helped by losing twice as many games so far, scoring less goals and conceding more.

Is the argument not that we have come on a long way as a team? To be scrapping with Falkirk two years on? Is that what we had in mind?

Of course Man City fans think they are underperforming. They are also changing manager.

We should change Stubbs?? Unbelievable!!!

[blackpoolhibs]

Our goal was to win the league so the gap still looks horrendous.

Falkirk have done well and it happens but we haven't helped by losing twice as many games so far, scoring less goals and conceding more.

Is the argument not that we have come on a long way as a team? To be scrapping with Falkirk two years on? Is that what we had in mind?

Of course Man City fans think they are underperforming. They are also changing manager.

:agree: Luck will be probably be involved somewhere in the answer, they having good and us bad.

[B.H.F.C]

Yeah it's disappointing we aren't closer. Win the game in hand and it doesn't look as bad as it does now though. Again it's out with our control what Falkirk do and I'm sure Man City fans aren't saying it's shocking we can't compete with Leicester City.

Sometime teams have little resources and do very well.

Personally, I don't think a win tomorrow makes our league position look any better. We are miles of the top and have fell well short in the title race. That's not good enough given what was said about being ready this year etc.

It can still be recovered so I'm not in any rush to be too critical of Stubbs. That'll change if we are facing a third year in this league. But until that is actually the case (and I hope it isn't) then I don't see any point in talking about emptying him etc.

Oh and I'll bet Man City fans are raging that they are getting outdone by a team like Leicester. Along with Man Utd and Arsenal fans amongst others!

[Andy74]

We should change Stubbs?? Unbelievable!!!

I didn't say that, but why would it be unbelievable?

[Hibernia&Alba]

I didn't say that, but why would it be unbelievable?

Would be very unwise move, IMHO. Here's a conundrum Andy: what if we didn't go up but won the Scottish Cup? How could we even consider sacking Stubbs?

[keep the faith]

I didn't say that, but why would it be unbelievable?

Because people like you can't see the difference. Our club was on its knees and you think we should be winning the league over the Huns and less is unacceptable.
Our efforts this year in every competition have been heroic and I'm proud of this team and our manager.
To be as misrerable and disappointed as you sound about our season just staggers me. Fortunately most in the stands see the difference and appreciate what we are doing.

[Thecat23]

I honestly feel some on here are tip toeing around the fact they want Stubbs to go. If you do just say it, it's your opinion so say what you really feel.

Andy Man City are changing manager and guess what.. They spoke with him 3 years ago and were always wanting him. So if City won the league it would make no odds he was going.

[Thecat23]

Because people like you can't see the difference. Our club was on its knees and you think we should be winning the league over the Huns and less is unacceptable.
Our efforts this year in every competition have been heroic and I'm proud of this team and our manager.
To be as misrerable and disappointed as you sound about our season just staggers me. Fortunately most in the stands see the difference and appreciate what we are doing.

Exactly.

[Andy74]

Because people like you can't see the difference. Our club was on its knees and you think we should be winning the league over the Huns and less is unacceptable.
Our efforts this year in every competition have been heroic and I'm proud of this team and our manager.
To be as misrerable and disappointed as you sound about our season just staggers me. Fortunately most in the stands see the difference and appreciate what we are doing.

People like me? Brilliant.

Yes, call me old fashioned but when you set out genuinely to win the league and you get nowhere near it then I think it's fair to be disappointed.

When you then begin to get into a fight for second it's more of a concern.

We are playing quite well mainly but we don't score that many goals.

The fall and rise has been overplayed a bit. The team that got relegated were poorly led for a period then most of them and the staff left and we had leeway to replace. That team played in the top league. I'm not sure sitting in third in the lower league whether we can say we are much better placed as yet.

[Forza Fred]

Because people like you can't see the difference. Our club was on its knees and you think we should be winning the league over the Huns and less is unacceptable.
Our efforts this year in every competition have been heroic and I'm proud of this team and our manager.
To be as misrerable and disappointed as you sound about our season just staggers me. Fortunately most in the stands see the difference and appreciate what we are doing.

I consider myself a realist, and that sometimes puts me at odds with people who desperately want things to turn out well, and don't consider that just 'wanting' it desperately doesn't mean it WILL happen.

Not putting you in that category, the above more by way of explaining my mindset.

But, I can't agree that Hibs efforts in the league have been 'heroic' and I think the league table reflects that.

[Thecat23]

Personally, I don't think a win tomorrow makes our league position look any better. We are miles of the top and have fell well short in the title race. That's not good enough given what was said about being ready this year etc.

It can still be recovered so I'm not in any rush to be too critical of Stubbs. That'll change if we are facing a third year in this league. But until that is actually the case (and I hope it isn't) then I don't see any point in talking about emptying him etc.

Oh and I'll bet Man City fans are raging that they are getting outdone by a team like Leicester. Along with Man Utd and Arsenal fans amongst others!

But who's fault it is? Leicester have done something special and are within touching distance. No team no matter how big or how much money have a right to be top and clear top at that.

It comes down to many factors but overall Falkirk have done very well and I'm confident of finishing 2nd and winning the play offs. Until then I'll be 100% behind the team and Stubbs and try to put any negativity aside for the sake of the team. If we fail then fans have every right to express their anger.

[Andy74]

I honestly feel some on here are tip toeing around the fact they want Stubbs to go. If you do just say it, it's your opinion so say what you really feel.

Andy Man City are changing manager and guess what.. They spoke with him 3 years ago and were always wanting him. So if City won the league it would make no odds he was going.

I'm not fussed either way to be honest. I think he has been a bit complacent, stubborn at times and doesn't have us playing with the width and tempo you need in this league.

That said we've shown the way we play might work better in the league above.

We aren't there yet though so I'd prefer that we adapted to try and do better in this league.

Much as we dislike Peter Houston he is showing clearly that there are other managers out there who can manage well with even less resource.

[Thecat23]

I'm not fussed either way to be honest. I think he has been a bit complacent, stubborn at times and doesn't have us playing with the width and tempo you need in this league.

That said we've shown the way we play might work better in the league above.

We aren't there yet though so I'd prefer that we adapted to try and do better in this league.

Much as we dislike Peter Houston he is showing clearly that there are other managers out there who can manage well with even less resource.

That's fair enough, I think it would be mad myself to replace him but I do think he's got a few things to learn.

The day Hibs hire someone like Houston though will be a very sad day. We want to move forward not have a dinosaur like him. Also what if we finished Second, surely we wouldn't want him replacing someone who finished above them?

Not saying you want Houston btw just him or anyone like him for me is backward step.

[Craig_in_Prague]

That's fair enough, I think it would be mad myself to replace him but I do think he's got a few things to learn.

The day Hibs hire someone like Houston though will be a very sad day. We want to move forward not have a dinosaur like him. Also what if we finished Second, surely we wouldn't want him replacing someone who finished above them?

Not saying you want Houston btw just him or anyone like him for me is backward step.

You're right buddy IMO.

Football is fine margins.

We could go up via play offs but we might not.
We should have won the LC but didn't.
We may or may not win the SC.

Some can argue those outcomes define Alan Stubbs success. Maybe it's hard to argue with that.
But its not his fault we're in this league and its not straight forward to get out of.
But has he got a proper football team together in green and white? Did he earn a win against that lot, haven played them away at their ground, with yhe cheat as Ref?
Too be honest, we may be lowly league wise, but by god Stubbs has risen the club once more, I hope others see it regardless of what happens hereon. Its NOT about success, otherwise we'd all be Tims.

[Thecat23]

You're right buddy IMO.

Football is fine margins.

We could go up via play offs but we might not.
We should have won the LC but didn't.
We may or may not win the SC.

Some can argue those outcomes define Alan Stubbs success. Maybe it's hard to argue with that.
But its not his fault we're in this league and its not straight forward to get out of.
But has he got a proper football team together in green and white? Did he earn a win against that lot, haven played them away at their ground, with yhe cheat as Ref?
Too be honest, we may be lowly league wise, but by god Stubbs has risen the club once more, I hope others see it regardless of what happens hereon. Its NOT about success, otherwise we'd all be Tims.

Couldn't put that better myself 👍🏼👍🏼

[Andy74]

You're right buddy IMO.

Football is fine margins.

We could go up via play offs but we might not.
We should have won the LC but didn't.
We may or may not win the SC.

Some can argue those outcomes define Alan Stubbs success. Maybe it's hard to argue with that.
But its not his fault we're in this league and its not straight forward to get out of.
But has he got a proper football team together in green and white? Did he earn a win against that lot, haven played them away at their ground, with yhe cheat as Ref?
Too be honest, we may be lowly league wise, but by god Stubbs has risen the club once more, I hope others see it regardless of what happens hereon. Its NOT about success, otherwise we'd all be Tims.

It IS all about getting out this league though. Not much else matters just now. Crowds aren't flocking, we aren't putting teams away in style enough for it to be all about the experience.

Not getting up could put the future development at risk so we really need to start adapting to do what we need to do to get out the league first off.

[blackpoolhibs]

I honestly feel some on here are tip toeing around the fact they want Stubbs to go. If you do just say it, it's your opinion so say what you really feel.

Andy Man City are changing manager and guess what.. They spoke with him 3 years ago and were always wanting him. So if City won the league it would make no odds he was going.

Who, tell me one person who posts on here that wants him to go now? :confused: Just because everyone is not fawning over him like you does not mean they want him to leave, i'd like his team to start winning more games and scoring more goals.

Madness i know.

[Craig_in_Prague]

It IS all about getting out this league though. Not much else matters just now. Crowds aren't flocking, we aren't putting teams away in style enough for it to be all about the experience.

Not getting up could put the future development at risk so we really need to start adapting to do what we need to do to get out the league first off.

Crowds were crap under Yogi and Mixu, our better years.
Hibs fans know football, I mean selling out a cup replay as a championship team vs that lot.
The atmosphere at hampden even with a loss, tremendous. Proud to be a hibee again, not felt like that for many years!
Sure, we gotta get up ASAP, but there's no guarantee in such a sport. Doesn't mean going up or not, will define our club.

[MWHIBBIES]

We have a better squad than the huns and we should probably be above them. Lot of factors in that not being the case though, certainly not just down to Alan Stubbs. I have really enjoyed both cup runs but if we don't go up via the playoffs we should absolutely be sacrificing the cups next season and focusing purely on the league.

[Andy74]

Crowds were crap under Yogi and Mixu, our better years.
Hibs fans know football, I mean selling out a cup replay as a championship team vs that lot.
The atmosphere at hampden even with a loss, tremendous. Proud to be a hibee again, not felt like that for many years!
Sure, we gotta get up ASAP, but there's no guarantee in such a sport. Doesn't mean going up or not, will define our club.

Our crowds now aren't better than those times so not sure of your point. We would get better crowds if we got promoted. Or perhaps if we were running away in this league scoring lots of goals.

[Craig_in_Prague]

Our crowds now aren't better than those times so not sure of your point. We would get better crowds if we got promoted. Or perhaps if we were running away in this league scoring lots of goals.

Well the point is we've been 'upper' part of 'top' league but had crap crowds anyway.
As I say, not Stubbs fault we are where we are and his cup runs are no fluke, proves we're decent and he is a good manager.
I just hope we get the bit luck needed to go up.

[J-C]

One thing I've seen posted on here a few times is Rangers have a bigger budget than us and we weren't expected to beat them, what nonsense.

Our squad is easily comparable to theirs but Stubbs refusal to change a tactic that is very limited and at times baffling just like his substitutions which are only like for like and rarely game changing ones. Now no one has wanted Stubbs to go now, that's just ridiculous but if we fail to get up, his position must be seriously looked at, to be so far behind Rangers is disgraceful and to also be scrapping with Falkirk for 2nd is even more disgraceful.

[MWHIBBIES]

One thing I've seen posted on here a few times is Rangers have a bigger budget than us and we weren't expected to beat them, what nonsense.

Our squad is easily comparable to theirs but Stubbs refusal to change a tactic that is very limited and at times baffling just like his substitutions which are only like for like and rarely game changing ones. Now no one has wanted Stubbs to go now, that's just ridiculous but if we fail to get up, his position must be seriously looked at, to be so far behind Rangers is disgraceful and to also be scrapping with Falkirk for 2nd is even more disgraceful.Stubbs regularly changes tactics, he just didn't do it during our 4/5 match drop in form which makes people come out with nonsense like this. Tell me what evidence there is that we would have won more if Stubbs did change things more and played with this almighty ''width and pace'' that people seem to think guarantees winning.

[J-C]

We don't have width or pace, this is the problem. As good as Henderson,Fyvie, Bartley are they are pretty slow, our width comes from 2 fullbacks who's natural game is to defend. Stevenson as committed as he is is still a defensive midfielder and cuts in instead of going to the by line. He changed it against Alloa 3-5-2 using Boyle and Carmichael and we strolled it against a 10 man defence because we got in behind them with pace and width.

Some of you lot can keep burying your heads in the sand but we've lost too many games again to no mark defensive teams, something we did last season and still now, nothing has been learnt, this is my worry, is Stubbs learning or is he too stubborn to make changes.

[JimBHibees]

It IS all about getting out this league though. Not much else matters just now. Crowds aren't flocking, we aren't putting teams away in style enough for it to be all about the experience.

Not getting up could put the future development at risk so we really need to start adapting to do what we need to do to get out the league first off.

Our record in the league this season was sensational bar the 3 poor results in a week which came on the back of a spell of huge games in a very short space of time (cup semi and cup derbies) which have IMO shown our position in the league to be worse than it should be. Players are not robots and this dip can happen however the apparent glee of people to now question the overall structure, formations and manager is disappointing. Last Sunday was hugely cruel but we contributed to not winning by individual mistakes.

Of course getting up is huge however we have been superb this season in the main and a bit of understanding and support would be good at this important time of the season.

[Phil MaGlass]

We don't have width or pace, this is the problem. As good as Henderson,Fyvie, Bartley are they are pretty slow, our width comes from 2 fullbacks who's natural game is to defend. Stevenson as committed as he is is still a defensive midfielder and cuts in instead of going to the by line. He changed it against Alloa 3-5-2 using Boyle and Carmichael and we strolled it against a 10 man defence because we got in behind them with pace and width.

Some of you lot can keep burying your heads in the sand but we've lost too many games again to no mark defensive teams, something we did last season and still now, nothing has been learnt, this is my worry, is Stubbs learning or is he too stubborn to make changes.

Agree with this, teams know we are slow at the back,wait until we push forward,lose the ball, punt it forward to 2 -3 fast young players whom nash on and punt it in our goal. Prime example was Morton, should have beaten us by 5. Evry team now knows this. I wouldnt be too sure of that second place. We have no width or pace/urgency, teams know this and Stubbs has done nothing to change this in the past couple of months, its surprising his substitutions have been either too slow to come or too late, I still think he is the man to get us up though, but our team doesnt seem to be made of the metal I would like to see them made of.Trying not to be too negative but I think we will struggle in the playoffs.

[JimBHibees]

We don't have width or pace, this is the problem. As good as Henderson,Fyvie, Bartley are they are pretty slow, our width comes from 2 fullbacks who's natural game is to defend. Stevenson as committed as he is is still a defensive midfielder and cuts in instead of going to the by line. He changed it against Alloa 3-5-2 using Boyle and Carmichael and we strolled it against a 10 man defence because we got in behind them with pace and width.

Some of you lot can keep burying your heads in the sand but we've lost too many games again to no mark defensive teams, something we did last season and still now, nothing has been learnt, this is my worry, is Stubbs learning or is he too stubborn to make changes.

You do bang on about this we had Kennedy and Harris last season and that didn't work out too well. By and large our results and football have been great this season with hugely talented young midfielders playing excellently. One game against an appalling team doesn't prove your theory is correct. We didn't lose the final because we didn't have Carmichael and Boyle wide we lost because we gave 2 very poor goals away.

[JimBHibees]

Stubbs regularly changes tactics, he just didn't do it during our 4/5 match drop in form which makes people come out with nonsense like this. Tell me what evidence there is that we would have won more if Stubbs did change things more and played with this almighty ''width and pace'' that people seem to think guarantees winning.

Agree totally. We were running on empty in they games and gave appalling goals away, our form seems to be better now hopefully blip is over.

[Expecting Rain]

You do bang on about this we had Kennedy and Harris last season and that didn't work out too well. By and large our results and football have been great this season with hugely talented young midfielders playing excellently. One game against an appalling team doesn't prove your theory is correct. We didn't lose the final because we didn't have Carmichael and Boyle wide we lost because we gave 2 very poor goals away.
I reckon with better width we would probably be sitting at the top of the table and winning the league cup, I think Stubbs has done an excellent job otherwise.

[bigwheel]

The call for width is a very traditional view of football team structure."better width" is too simplistic a view. We have lots of width, just not traditional "wingers"..if we added wide players, we would be losing one in the middle of the park. Midfield has been the strength of our team for most of the season. It's fluidity and the interchange we get has been the most dynamic part of our team. Lots of times it has dominated matches...I'm glad Stubbs understands modern football..it will helps us a lot as we go forward.

[Thecat23]

Who, tell me one person who posts on here that wants him to go now? :confused: Just because everyone is not fawning over him like you does not mean they want him to leave, i'd like his team to start winning more games and scoring more goals.

Madness i know.

Who's fawning over him? I've said God knows how many times I think he needs to learn to use his subs better and I think he should go 3-5-2 at times.

Personally think you would be happy if he's punted but if I'm wrong then so be it. Another poster has already said he should be sacked just the other day.

Anyway hope we go up and Stubbs proves he's better than many think he is.

[JimBHibees]

The call for width is a very traditional view of football team structure."better width" is too simplistic a view. We have lots of width, just not traditional "winders"..if we added wide players, we would be losing one in the middle of the park. Midfield has been the strength of our team for most of the season. It's fluidity and the interchange we get has been the most dynamic part of our team. Lots of times it has dominated matches...I'm glad Stubbs understands modern football..it will helps us a lot as we go forward.

Totally agree. The movement in the middle is superb at times. AS is a progressive young coach and will only go on to bigger and better jobs. IMO we should appreciate him while he is here.

[blackpoolhibs]

Who's fawning over him? I've said God knows how many times I think he needs to learn to use his subs better and I think he should go 3-5-2 at times.

Personally think you would be happy if he's punted but if I'm wrong then so be it. Another poster has already said he should be sacked just the other day.

Anyway hope we go up and Stubbs proves he's better than many think he is.

You, and you are wrong.

[superfurryhibby]

The call for width is a very traditional view of football team structure."better width" is too simplistic a view. We have lots of width, just not traditional "winders"..if we added wide players, we would be losing one in the middle of the park. Midfield has been the strength of our team for most of the season. It's fluidity and the interchange we get has been the most dynamic part of our team. Lots of times it has dominated matches...I'm glad Stubbs understands modern football..it will helps us a lot as we go forward.

Why have we lost so many games in the championship? Why have we dominated possession so often in games and failed to score enough goals? I'm genuinely interested to know? The games I've been to this season ( nearly all the cup games), it's hard to imagine the side I've watched ship three goals to Morton or Dumbarton.

For me it's not about losing the League Cup final, it's the failure to be as dominant as we should be in a largely ****ty league. That is ultimately where Stubbs will be judged and at this stage it remains in the balance.

[Thecat23]

You, and you are wrong.

Makes two of us then. Because I'm not!

[bigwheel]

Why have we lost so many games in the championship? Why have we dominated possession so often in games and failed to score enough goals? I'm genuinely interested to know? The games I've been to this season ( nearly all the cup games), it's hard to imagine the side I've watched ship three goals to Morton or Dumbarton.

For me it's not about losing the League Cup final, it's the failure to be as dominant as we should be in a largely ****ty league. That is ultimately where Stubbs will be judged and at this stage it remains in the balance.


it is the key question , I'd love to hear Stubbs's views on it...

The games recently - we could have easily been 2-3 up by half time against Morton. We didn't and they were superb in the second half - really, really good, and we were poor.

Against QoS, we were the best side for the first half and actually a good part of the second. Again, we failed to score. Our lack of goals has been big factor this season. But again, it's not simply a winger we need.

I think we are perhaps a bit one paced, even though the movement of the midfield is one of our big advantage points...

The Dumbarton game was a story of abysmal defending.

To be honest, other than second half against Morton, we've not played that badly in these games (we've played worse in others). we don't score many goals, whenever we concede it makes it hard for us to win...We need a much better goals to game ratio between now and the end of season to go up imho...

[bigwheel]

Makes two of us then. Because I'm not!


would that not make it only one then ? :greengrin

[Gordy M]

I'm not fussed either way to be honest. I think he has been a bit complacent, stubborn at times and doesn't have us playing with the width and tempo you need in this league.

That said we've shown the way we play might work better in the league above.

We aren't there yet though so I'd prefer that we adapted to try and do better in this league.

Much as we dislike Peter Houston he is showing clearly that there are other managers out there who can manage well with even less resource.
And yet if we win our games on hand, we are still above them? After losing three games on the trot.....they cant be that great??

[superfurryhibby]

it is the key question , I'd love to hear Stubbs's views on it...

The games recently - we could have easily been 2-3 up by half time against Morton. We didn't and they were superb in the second half - really, really good, and we were poor.

Against QoS, we were the best side for the first half and actually a good part of the second. Again, we failed to score. Our lack of goals has been big factor this season. But again, it's not simply a winger we need.

I think we are perhaps a bit one paced, even though the movement of the midfield is one of our big advantage points...

The Dumbarton game was a story of abysmal defending.

To be honest, other than second half against Morton, we've not played that badly in these games (we've played worse in others). we don't score many goals, whenever we concede it makes it hard for us to win...We need a much better goals to game ratio between now and the end of season to go up imho...

A lot of folk have said all season that we would suffer at some point for the lack of goals and that appears to have been the case. Some of the results of the past month or so bear that out.

One paced, lack of a target man ( which has a place even at the highest level still), lack of goals from midfield seem to be factors.

The ability to beat a man is such a virtue. The moment you do this, it creates space and that's where defences lose discipline and chances are made. The tradition is that if this is done out wide then the space created is maximised, we don't have full backs that are able to really do this. We lack that aspect to our admittedly fine midfield play.

At this stage of the season I don't think we can really change that much in terms of how we play. Stubbs has backed the players to the max. They seem to be giving everything and that's the bottom line for us fans.

I really like Stubbs and hope and pray that his faith in his system and the players delivers what we all want. He rises or falls by his judgement and it is what it is.

[Thecat23]

would that not make it only one then ? :greengrin

Haha it would. I'm easily confused 😁

[Andy74]

And yet if we win our games on hand, we are still above them? After losing three games on the trot.....they cant be that great??

Is this our latest measure of achievement then? Being slightly better than Falkirk?

[Gordy M]

Is this our latest measure of achievement then? Being slightly better than Falkirk?

Who said that? I said falkirk arent as great as many on here are claiming. Nope a measure of success is one national cup final so far, semi final of the 2nd national cup with a good chance of making the final and still with a good chance of promotion?

[Billy Whizz]

Is this our latest measure of achievement then? Being slightly better than Falkirk?

If we go up and get a cup win, this will be regarded as a great season. For me everything is about getting up this season. A cup win with no promotion would be regarded as a failure in my eyes, though in any other season i'd bite your hand off for a Scottish cup win.
Can't bear to go to the likes of Alloa, Morton etc again next season

[Thecat23]

Is this our latest measure of achievement then? Being slightly better than Falkirk?

Considering the league we are in yes of course it is. They are second so we are aiming to be above them. Until we are in the Prem then our goal is to be better than anyone else. The Rangers are better than us so we need to be better than the rest.

[blackpoolhibs]

If we go up and get a cup win, this will be regarded as a great season. For me everything is about getting up this season. A cup win with no promotion would be regarded as a failure in my eyes, though in any other season i'd bite your hand off for a Scottish cup win.
Can't bear to go to the likes of Alloa, Morton etc again next season

Exactly. :agree:

[J-C]

You do bang on about this we had Kennedy and Harris last season and that didn't work out too well. By and large our results and football have been great this season with hugely talented young midfielders playing excellently. One game against an appalling team doesn't prove your theory is correct. We didn't lose the final because we didn't have Carmichael and Boyle wide we lost because we gave 2 very poor goals away.

Yes I do and so do many other posters if you've read all the varying threads on the subject. Have our results been great? Last season we drew 7 and lost 8, this season so far drawn 4 lost 6, I wouldn't call that great especially in this poor league. We lost the final because Ross County set up to negate our diamond formation and it worked perfectly, they shut down the middle of the park and hit us on the break, subs were too late and wrong.
Harris and Kennedy didn't really get a look in as Harris is now pants and Kennedy was played out of position, hence why the diamond took over.


The call for width is a very traditional view of football team structure."better width" is too simplistic a view. We have lots of width, just not traditional "wingers"..if we added wide players, we would be losing one in the middle of the park. Midfield has been the strength of our team for most of the season. It's fluidity and the interchange we get has been the most dynamic part of our team. Lots of times it has dominated matches...I'm glad Stubbs understands modern football..it will helps us a lot as we go forward.

We would lose out on 1 player in the middle, nearly every team plays with 3 midfielders, against ICT on wednesday was Keatings played as a midfielder or more as a striker, I ask because I've only seen the goals and no other highlights, by playing Keatings alongside Jase and Stokes gives you a more attacking threat, also Keatings and Stokes can play naturally wide.
Modern football is either 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3, just look at the top teams in Europe.




Who said that? I said falkirk arent as great as many on here are claiming. Nope a measure of success is one national cup final so far, semi final of the 2nd national cup with a good chance of making the final and still with a good chance of promotion?

If Falkirk aren't that great what the **** are we then? as we're fighting it out for 2nd place with them.

[oneone73]

This is getting silly now. When was Kennedy played out of position?

[J-C]

This is getting silly now. When was Kennedy played out of position?

When did he play might be a better question, TBH I can't remember him and Harris actually playing as proper wingers when he did play.

[blackpoolhibs]

When did he play might be a better question, TBH I can't remember him and Harris actually playing as proper wingers when he did play.

:agree:

Both were poor and couldn't force their way into the team, the manager then got rid of them.

Was he wrong in doing so?

[scoopyboy]

If we go up and get a cup win, this will be regarded as a great season. For me everything is about getting up this season. A cup win with no promotion would be regarded as a failure in my eyes, though in any other season i'd bite your hand off for a Scottish cup win.
Can't bear to go to the likes of Alloa, Morton etc again next season

I would take a Scottish Cup win and staying down in a minute Billy.

Would rather have both though.

[Lago]

Considering the league we are in yes of course it is. They are second so we are aiming to be above them. Until we are in the Prem then our goal is to be better than anyone else. The Rangers are better than us so we need to be better than the rest.
Never understood why so many on here readily accepted being 2nd best as a real achievement.

[ihibs7]

I would take a Scottish Cup win and staying down in a minute Billy.

Would rather have both though.

Me too. The momentum a cup win would give us would be incredible next season regardless of division.


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[MWHIBBIES]

Me too. The momentum a cup win would give us would be incredible next season regardless of division.


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[Hibernia&Alba]

The league has to be the priority. We'd all love to win the Scottish Cup for obvious reasons, but for the long term good of the club we need SPL football. Each additional season we spend in the second tier costs us money and our better players, probably. This club should be challenging for third in the SPL; that's the standard, not another year(s) in the wilderness.

[bigwheel]

The league has to be the priority. We'd all love to win the Scottish Cup for obvious reasons, but for the long term good of the club we need SPL football. Each additional season we spend in the second tier costs us money and our better players, probably. This club should be challenging for third in the SPL; that's the standard, not another year(s) in the wilderness.

this 100% and I can't understand any other view...

[scoopyboy]

Not if all the players leave...

Where are they going to go?

McGinn would still have three years on his contract, McGeouch two, Fyvie, Fontaine, Stevenson, Cummings etc one.

If some go you then replace them with others.

[Thecat23]

Never understood why so many on here readily accepted being 2nd best as a real achievement.

Who's accepting it? I can't see anyone who's happy about it myself! But if the league is gone there's nothing we can do is there?

[scoopyboy]

this 100% and I can't understand any other view...

You can't understand that some fans have followed Hibs for over 70 years and they want to see a Scottish Cup win?

[Eyrie]

The league has to be the priority. We'd all love to win the Scottish Cup for obvious reasons, but for the long term good of the club we need SPL football. Each additional season we spend in the second tier costs us money and our better players, probably. This club should be challenging for third in the SPL; that's the standard, not another year(s) in the wilderness.

:agree: An element of common sense needs to be applied here.

We've a decent chance of getting past Dundee United but in the final Sevco would be favourites and Celtc overwhelmingly so. That doesn't mean we can't beat either of them, but it does make it a tall order. On the other hand we should be favourites in both of our play off ties regardless of who we face.

Promotion is far more important than being the beaten finalist yet again so it has to be the priority.

[bigwheel]

You can't understand that some fans have followed Hibs for over 70 years and they want to see a Scottish Cup win?

For the club, I can't understand why people would want a Scottish Cup victory over promotion...I guess, if it's for an individual's reasoning, then I could understand people hoping to see Hibs lift the cup..

[blackpoolhibs]

You can't understand that some fans have followed Hibs for over 70 years and they want to see a Scottish Cup win?

I can understand it scoops, i don't agree though. We'd see 22k at Hampden to see it, but lose more next season when watching Alloa and Dumbarton AGAIN, it would in my opinion be one more season that some would take.

I wish my dad had seen us win it, i obviously want us to win it, but i have virtually no interest in taking time out of my day to travel the distance i do to watch more 2nd tier football even if that choice was available.

[scoopyboy]

I can understand it scoops, i don't agree though. We'd see 22k at Hampden to see it, but lose more next season when watching Alloa and Dumbarton AGAIN, it would in my opinion be one more season that some would take.

I wish my dad had seen us win it, i obviously want us to win it, but i have virtually no interest in taking time out of my day to travel the distance i do to watch more 2nd tier football even if that choice was available.

I understand it's a heart v. head dilemma Blackpool (and also Big Wheel).

Financially the club want to be in the top flight and the fans want to be there too.

However too many Hibs fans have passed without seeing it and I would rather we won it before another generation leave us.

Being in the top league doesn't guarantee being rich though, in the Calderwood, Yogi and Fenlon years we were in the top flight but weren't posting huge profits.

[Lago]

Who's accepting it? I can't see anyone who's happy about it myself! But if the league is gone there's nothing we can do is there?
Where did I sayanyone was happy about it, thats anorther debate.

[Lago]

I can understand it scoops, i don't agree though. We'd see 22k at Hampden to see it, but lose more next season when watching Alloa and Dumbarton AGAIN, it would in my opinion be one more season that some would take.

I wish my dad had seen us win it, i obviously want us to win it, but i have virtually no interest in taking time out of my day to travel the distance i do to watch more 2nd tier football even if that choice was available.
I tend to agree, a lot will give up at the thought of a cold wet day at Alloa etc.

[MWHIBBIES]

Why is giving up on the club seen as acceptable or inevitable by some? The lyrics aren't ''we'll support you evermore as long as you are in the top 4 of the big league and beating Hearts every season''.

[blackpoolhibs]

Why is giving up on the club seen as acceptable or inevitable by some? The lyrics aren't ''we'll support you evermore as long as you are in the top 4 of the big league and beating Hearts every season''.

Its called realism, something its seems you dont understand. Have you ever hear of the straw that broke the camels back, well that camel has been carrying a fair amount of straw in the last few years.

When im singing bohemian rhapsody in my car, i have not actually killed a man, in fact i didnt even put a gun against his head. :confused:

[Ozyhibby]

Why is giving up on the club seen as acceptable or inevitable by some? The lyrics aren't ''we'll support you evermore as long as you are in the top 4 of the big league and beating Hearts every season''.

I'm sure as you were typing that you realised you were being unrealistic given the amount of fans we have already lost. And it's the same for every club.
We have under performed our wage bill for almost a decade now. It has taken its toll.


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[Pete]

I tend to agree, a lot will give up at the thought of a cold wet day at Alloa etc.

You go to support a team, you aren't a football customer.

I don't think people are as lily livered as you think and our crowds will still hold up. If anyone doesn't fancy it they can get lost and watch Barcelona on the telly for all I care.

[Pete]

Why is giving up on the club seen as acceptable or inevitable by some? The lyrics aren't ''we'll support you evermore as long as you are in the top 4 of the big league and beating Hearts every season''.

:agree:

[Ozyhibby]

You go to support a team, you aren't a football customer.

I don't think people are as lily livered as you think and our crowds will still hold up. If anyone doesn't fancy it they can get lost and watch Barcelona on the telly for all I care.

Average crowd in 2007 was about 14,500 and this season it's about 9000.
The stats don't back you up.


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[Lago]

You go to support a team, you aren't a football customer.

I don't think people are as lily livered as you think and our crowds will still hold up. If anyone doesn't fancy it they can get lost and watch Barcelona on the telly for all I care.
You know you have just made a point about football customers, and I think now a days many clubs do look at us as customers rather than fans. I hope your right about numbers holding up, but fans can be fickle.

[portyhibernian]

You go to support a team, you aren't a football customer.

I don't think people are as lily livered as you think and our crowds will still hold up. If anyone doesn't fancy it they can get lost and watch Barcelona on the telly for all I care.

We do go to support the team but that support shouldn't be taken for granted. We expect something in return for that support, certainly not dross championship football for the third year in a row at top end of the premiership prices. We're down to pretty much the hardcore support attending right now as it is, Hibs don't need that number dropping, as it inevitably would, if we don't go up. The Scottish cup would be brilliant, a historic achievement and would cement this current teams place in Hibs history, but for the long term good of the club we need promotion over anything else.

[Pete]

Average crowd in 2007 was about 14,500 and this season it's about 9000.
The stats don't back you up.


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Why are you using 2007 which is a clear spike? There are also the Celtic and Hearts games to take into consideration. They have been replaced by teams that bring lower amount of fans and there is the inevitable, small drop off what with being in the second tier.

Where was all this shoe gazing yesterday before Falkirk won? Now it's all "unacceptable", "people won't come back", "blah blah" from the usual suspects.

:rolleyes:

[Pete]

We do go to support the team but that support shouldn't be taken for granted. We expect something in return for that support, certainly not dross championship football for the third year in a row at top end of the premiership prices. We're down to pretty much the hardcore support attending right now as it is, Hibs don't need that number dropping, as it inevitably would, if we don't go up. The Scottish cup would be brilliant, a historic achievement and would cement this current teams place in Hibs history, but for the long term good of the club we need promotion over anything else.

As you say we're down to our hard core. I dont think theyll drop off in the numbers that some people think.

[Pete]

You know you have just made a point about football customers, and I think now a days many clubs do look at us as customers rather than fans. I hope your right about numbers holding up, but fans can be fickle.

The fickle ones are already on the golf course on a Saturday. :greengrin

[Captain Trips]

Started off the season by showing Rangers and rest of division we mean business with how we dealt with Scott Allan. In the League compared to last season we have not really improved and rather than a battle for 2nd place like last year with Rangers it's now with Falkirk and again we are miles off the top.

We are in this position due to IMO our play in the final 3rd and it's been that way a while. Not saying he should be sacked but questions are perfectly acceptable over our league status at this juncture.

[Ozyhibby]

Why are you using 2007 which is a clear spike? There are also the Celtic and Hearts games to take into consideration. They have been replaced by teams that bring lower amount of fans and there is the inevitable, small drop off what with being in the second tier.

Where was all this shoe gazing yesterday before Falkirk won? Now it's all "unacceptable", "people won't come back", "blah blah" from the usual suspects.

:rolleyes:

If it wasn't happening before yesterday, how come there are 'usual suspects'? [emoji23]


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[Pete]

If it wasn't happening before yesterday, how come there are 'usual suspects'? [emoji23]


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I didn't say it wasn't happening before yesterday. There's just a contrast from before the Falkirk game.

Anyway, we might win today so cheer up. :greengrin

[Keith_M]

Stubbs can rightly be applauded for many things, including the attractive style of play. It's also fair to criticise him for the team's deficiencies, such as the inability to capitalise when we're on top.

There are so many occassions that we attack constantly but with little pace, allowing the opposition to get 10 men behind the ball. They often then break up the pitch and score fairly easily, showing us how pace can be a virtue.

Also, County made three substitutions last week, two of which appeared to be in an effort to change the game, whereas Stubbs waited until it was too late.

[rcarter1]

As you say we're down to our hard core. I dont think theyll drop off in the numbers that some people think.

I think this is the relevant point here. When we had 14000 there was a lot of supporters attending specifically for the success and quality on display. If we are in the 2nd tier for the next TWO seasons, I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers stay around 8-9K.

If this season has taught me anything, its that being in the SPL is overrated. Its preferable to being in the Championship, but not by very much. We might contest two Cup Finals from this league. I think promotion is less than 50/50 all things considered, so Im preparing for Championship next season.

[emerald green]

As you say we're down to our hard core. I dont think theyll drop off in the numbers that some people think.

But it's not just about numbers dropping, which they will IMHO if Hibs stay down for a third season with no Hearts or The Rangers.

It's about trying to get numbers UP. Selling more season tickets, watching more attractive fixtures against teams who will bring much larger travelling supports.

[Ozyhibby]

I think this is the relevant point here. When we had 14000 there was a lot of supporters attending specifically for the success and quality on display. If we are in the 2nd tier for the next TWO seasons, I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers stay around 8-9K.

If this season has taught me anything, its that being in the SPL is overrated. Its preferable to being in the Championship, but not by very much. We might contest two Cup Finals from this league. I think promotion is less than 50/50 all things considered, so Im preparing for Championship next season.

That is just lowering your standards by saying 'oh it's not so bad'.
I personally hate that our crowds are just above half of Hearts crowds.


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[Pete]

But it's not just about numbers dropping, which they will IMHO if Hibs stay down for a third season with no Hearts or The Rangers.

It's about trying to get numbers UP. Selling more season tickets, watching more attractive fixtures against teams who will bring much larger travelling supports.

Getting more bodies in and actually growing as a club can only really happen when we're in the tip flight. Agree with that.

It's all about fighting fires when we're down here.

[rcarter1]

But it's not just about numbers dropping, which they will IMHO if Hibs stay down for a third season with no Hearts or The Rangers.

It's about trying to get numbers UP. Selling more season tickets, watching more attractive fixtures against teams who will bring much larger travelling supports.

Totally agree with the objective of course. It was great when we had 11K season ticket holders, and lots of walk ups. Its great to play exciting games against the bigger clubs like Aberdeen, Hearts and the OF. But as long as we are down here then we just have to cut our cloth. Our Cup runs keep the club interesting for non regulars, and we've shown its possible to do just that from down here.

But we are facing an uphill battle to get promoted this season. We need to at least face up to the reality of being here next season. It really isn't the end of the club if we are.

[marinello59]

I think this is the relevant point here. When we had 14000 there was a lot of supporters attending specifically for the success and quality on display. If we are in the 2nd tier for the next TWO seasons, I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers stay around 8-9K.

If this season has taught me anything, its that being in the SPL is overrated. Its preferable to being in the Championship, but not by very much. We might contest two Cup Finals from this league. I think promotion is less than 50/50 all things considered, so Im preparing for Championship next season.

The thought of being on this division for another season is depressing to say the least. Grounds like Dumbarton's can suck the enthusiasm out of you before a ball is kicked. We really have to get back up this time. There will be no parachute payment next season, the financial implications of remaining down are scarey to say the least.

[emerald green]

Totally agree with the objective of course. It was great when we had 11K season ticket holders, and lots of walk ups. Its great to play exciting games against the bigger clubs like Aberdeen, Hearts and the OF. But as long as we are down here then we just have to cut our cloth. Our Cup runs keep the club interesting for non regulars, and we've shown its possible to do just that from down here.

But we are facing an uphill battle to get promoted this season. We need to at least face up to the reality of being here next season. It really isn't the end of the club if we are.

The bit in bold - I agree it's going to be difficult to get promotion through the play-offs. That was always going to be the case.

I'm realistic enough to know that a third season in the Championship is a possibility. For the future wellbeing of the club, I hope that doesn't happen.

I don't recall (anyone) ever saying it would be "the end of the club" if Hibs stay down. It would not be good though. That's putting it mildly.

[Heisenberg]

Four losses on the bounce in the championship? Simply not good enough. He hasn't learned a thing from last season and our runs in the cups have masked a truly woeful league campaign.

[Stokesy's on fire]

Stubbs has had enough time

[marinello59]

Four losses on the bounce in the championship? Simply not good enough. He hasn't learned a thing from last season and our runs in the cups have masked a truly woeful league campaign.

To lose four games in a row in this ***** league with the players we have takes some doing. Unacceptable by any ****ing standard.

[H18 SFR]

Four losses on the bounce in the championship? Simply not good enough. He hasn't learned a thing from last season and our runs in the cups have masked a truly woeful league campaign.

Learned nothing, transfer dealings questionable - the truth is the cup runs mask our atrocious inability to beat very average teams.

[Heisenberg]

To lose four games in a row in this ***** league with the players we have takes some doing. Unacceptable by any ****ing standard.

We were unlucky though. We deserved more.

I'm sick of the same excuses after every game that goes by. We are losing to utterly terrible teams. We are an average championship side.

[Mikey09]

Stubbs has had enough time


Enough time for what?!

[Del Boy]

It's no good enough from Stubbs. Likeable guy but if we have to spend another season in this league he has got to go. Big couple months coming up.

[Stuarty27]

It's the worst run in our history

How the **** are a club our size losing 4 games in a row in the 2nd Division is shocking.

If we don't go up, his two years here have been an absolute failure

[flash]

The cup runs are taking the heat off some awful league form.
If we don't come back firing after the wee break the pressure will really start to mount on Stubbs as well as the players themselves.

[Stokesy's on fire]

Enough time for what?!

Enough time to screw things up

[Hibernia&Alba]

Four losses on the bounce in the championship? Simply not good enough. He hasn't learned a thing from last season and our runs in the cups have masked a truly woeful league campaign.

It's a very embarrassing statistic, but we're in the play offs and have another cup final ahead. Better to have the bad spell now than in the play offs. Let's keep cool heids and get this loss of form put right.

[Heisenberg]

It's a very embarrassing statistic, but we're in the play offs and have another cup final ahead. Better to have the bad spell now than in the play offs. Let's keep cool heids and get this loss of form put right.

Just said the same to my pal. If this time off doesn't get us back on track and winning then the last excuse goes out the window about the players being tired.

[Mikey09]

Enough time to screw things up


Good one. :rolleyes:

[Alfred E Newman]

It's a very embarrassing statistic, but we're in the play offs and have another cup final ahead. Better to have the bad spell now than in the play offs. Let's keep cool heids and get this loss of form put right.

It's the most embarrassing run of league results since I first put my foot inside Easter Road over 50 years ago. Results like that against fairly mediocre opposition are not acceptable no matter how many games we have played.

[coldingham hibs]

Are we definitely in the play offs?.

We are currently on a Butcher-esk run of results, football isn't much better.

If we get in the play offs then we will be even worse by that point unless all the injured players return.

[Islington Hibs]

As you say we're down to our hard core. I dont think theyll drop off in the numbers that some people think.

I hope you are right but don't think you are.

We can still get out of this league but the statistical odds of doing so are probably 35-40% at best now. If we fail there will be no cat A games, with Dundee Utd our main competition - so no guarantees. I would guess we will be down to 7500 or so. If and it is if we don't go up the Board will have some very very hard decisions to make on budgets and some of our best players will ask for a transfer- can't see McGinn staying for example.

The next few weeks are critical and we must get behind them and try and get them over the line.

[SkintHibby]

The quality of that Falkirk team last night to this Hibs team tonight is night and day.

We're in big trouble.

[coldingham hibs]

Next season we could have Dundee Utd, Kilmarnock & St.Mirren all competing in the championship, all determined to get back up. Promotion is imperative this season otherwise it's back to the drawing board.

Stubbs cannot be trusted a 3rd season, in my opinion.

[greenpaper55]

Next season we could have Dundee Utd, Kilmarnock & St.Mirren all competing in the championship, all determined to get back up. Promotion is imperative this season otherwise it's back to the drawing board.

Stubbs cannot be trusted a 3rd season, in my opinion.

Spot on, promotion or the party is over.

[Heisenberg]

If we don't go up there's not a chance in hell that he gets another season to **** it all up again.

[hibsbollah]

It's a very embarrassing statistic, but we're in the play offs and have another cup final ahead. Better to have the bad spell now than in the play offs. Let's keep cool heids and get this loss of form put right.

:top marks

I know we all like a bit of a greet after a bad result but wtf. Stubbs must go placards, pitchforks, xanax prescriptions. Keep the ****in heid:agree:

[Heisenberg]

:top marks

I know we all like a bit of a greet after a bad result but wtf. Stubbs must go placards, pitchforks, xanax prescriptions. Keep the ****in heid:agree:

It's not just one bad result to be fair....

[JJP]

:top marks

I know we all like a bit of a greet after a bad result but wtf. Stubbs must go placards, pitchforks, xanax prescriptions. Keep the ****in heid:agree:

I'm not at the stage of demaniding Stubbs to go but I would struggle to come up with a reason why anyone should get three attempts to get Hibs promoted from this league.

[coldingham hibs]

:top marks

I know we all like a bit of a greet after a bad result but wtf. Stubbs must go placards, pitchforks, xanax prescriptions. Keep the ****in heid:agree:

A few weeks ago we were in a final & chasing the title, where does the decline stop?.

[hibsbollah]

I'm not at the stage of demaniding Stubbs to go but I would struggle to come up with a reason why anyone should get three attempts to get Hibs promoted from this league.

Fair enough. So save the rage till May when we've inevitably ****ed it all up again.

[ScottB]

Spot on, promotion or the party is over.

Based on our recent form, the party is over. Staggering into the play offs like this isn't likely to result in Stubbs' increasingly obvious flaws suddenly disappearing.

Time for him to go. Maybe, just maybe, a decent new manager could give us the required kick up the *** and get us through the play offs. Would Stubbs get us past Raith and / or Falkirk?

I don't think he would.

[hibsbollah]

A few weeks ago we were in a final & chasing the title, where does the decline stop?.

I'm not sure im much good at predicting the future.

[hibsbollah]

Based on our recent form, the party is over. Staggering into the play offs like this isn't likely to result in Stubbs' increasingly obvious flaws suddenly disappearing.

Time for him to go. Maybe, just maybe, a decent new manager could give us the required kick up the *** and get us through the play offs. Would Stubbs get us past Raith and / or Falkirk?

I don't think he would.

So, weve got one. You're actually calling for him to be sacked? Now?!

At least you're being decisive in your convictions i suppose.

[SeanWilson]

Based on our recent form, the party is over. Staggering into the play offs like this isn't likely to result in Stubbs' increasingly obvious flaws suddenly disappearing.

Time for him to go. Maybe, just maybe, a decent new manager could give us the required kick up the *** and get us through the play offs. Would Stubbs get us past Raith and / or Falkirk?

I don't think he would.

OK. Who?

[Thecat23]

Based on our recent form, the party is over. Staggering into the play offs like this isn't likely to result in Stubbs' increasingly obvious flaws suddenly disappearing.

Time for him to go. Maybe, just maybe, a decent new manager could give us the required kick up the *** and get us through the play offs. Would Stubbs get us past Raith and / or Falkirk?

I don't think he would.

Really??

So that's two that's posted he should go over past couple of days. 😂

[ScottB]

So, weve got one. You're actually calling for him to be sacked? Now?!

At least you're being decisive in your convictions suppose.

Our season has totally imploded! We started the season expecting to mount a title challenge, now we're facing a fight to maybe finish second.

Do we see this out till May, and another season in this league, or do we roll the dice?


Nothing about Stubbs suggests he has an answer to our problems. Sure, his record against top flight sides has been great, but that's no use when we aren't going to get out of this division!

[Pretty Boy]

No one knew they would do so well. Falkirk have done superb so don't think it's fair to say It's disappointing Hibs are so close. I'd never have guessed they would be up there.

We haven't improved on our league performance of last season though.

That's the disappointing part.

[ScottB]

OK. Who?

That's not really my job to answer, nor can anyone of us offer an answer as to whether Stubbs will turn it round, or not.

I just don't see it. Would be happy to be proven wrong mind you.

[hibsbollah]

Our season has totally imploded! We started the season expecting to mount a title challenge, now we're facing a fight to maybe finish second.

Do we see this out till May, and another season in this league, or do we roll the dice?


Nothing about Stubbs suggests he has an answer to our problems. Sure, his record against top flight sides has been great, but that's no use when we aren't going to get out of this division!




Really? You actually know this?

[SeanWilson]

Really??

So that's two that's posted he should go over past couple of days. 😂

This place really is a horror show sometimes... Sunday to Wednesday - aaaaaaaah we're *****, Stubbs is *****, I hate my life......Thursday - aaaaaaaah we're amazing we're gonna get promoted and win the cup....... Friday night - aaaaaaah we're *****, Falkirk are amazing and I hate Houston...... Saturday morning - it's ok, we'll win, cut the gap and win the cup...... Saturday night - Stubbs out, hibs are *****, never going up, I hate my life 😂😂😂😂

[Thecat23]

We haven't improved on our league performance of last season though.

That's the disappointing part.

It's frustrating that's for sure. I'll not give up while we still have a chance of promotion though and a cup. The boys are good enough to do it.

[Thecat23]

This place really is a horror show sometimes... Sunday to Wednesday - aaaaaaaah we're *****, Stubbs is *****, I hate my life......Thursday - aaaaaaaah we're amazing we're gonna get promoted and win the cup....... Friday night - aaaaaaah we're *****, Falkirk are amazing and I hate Houston...... Saturday morning - it's ok, we'll win, cut the gap and win the cup...... Saturday night - Stubbs out, hibs are *****, never going up, I hate my life 😂😂😂😂

😂 This made me laugh! 👍🏼

[ScottB]

Really? You actually know this?

No. Do you know that the opposite would happen? Course not.

[bawheid]

Our season has totally imploded! We started the season expecting to mount a title challenge, now we're facing a fight to maybe finish second.

Do we see this out till May, and another season in this league, or do we roll the dice?


Nothing about Stubbs suggests he has an answer to our problems. Sure, his record against top flight sides has been great, but that's no use when we aren't going to get out of this division!

This isn't the time to throw in the towel.

[High-On-Hibs]

Stubbs has until the end of the season for me. Failing to get Hibs promoted from the championship 2nd time of asking would make his position untenable. Aye, we've played some decent stuff first half of the season and strung together some consistent performance. But considering the league we're in and the quality of the opposition, we really shouldn't be running out of steam.

[hibsbollah]

No. Do you know that the opposite would happen? Course not.

Hence I didn't predict anything.

[ScottB]

Hence I didn't predict anything.

I said I couldn't see it happening, which based on our current malaise, isn't a ridiculous conclusion. That's not a certainty, obviously.

The question is, the longer this goes on, the more likely that outcome gets. Either we give him till the end of season, come what may, or we don't. Can he turn it around? In theory, sure. Will he? That's the tough one to answer.

[Mikey09]

No. Do you know that the opposite would happen? Course not.


He's not predicted anything though. You are. Keep jerking those knees...

[Mikey09]

I said I couldn't see it happening, which based on our current malaise, isn't a ridiculous conclusion. That's not a certainty, obviously.

The question is, the longer this goes on, the more likely that outcome gets. Either we give him till the end of season, come what may, or we don't. Can he turn it around? In theory, sure. Will he? That's the tough one to answer.


Think you should read your own post again.

[ScottB]

He's not predicted anything though. You are. Keep jerking those knees...

Well, by disagreeing, isn't that, in effect, predicting the alternate outcome?

In any case, it's hardly a knee jerk reaction, unless our current losing streak in the league is any way acceptable?

[ancient hibee]

We haven't improved on our league performance of last season though.

That's the disappointing part.

How many points did we have at this stage last year?

[Jim44]

Whether it's his fault or not, Stubbs's stock is rock bottom just now.

[kevo1875]

Promotion is our priority for the season if we fail then Stubbs will find it very hard to stay in the job..he has been backed by the board and enjoyable as the cup runs have been we need out this bloody league..but I think we should back the team forget the Stubbs out thoughts for the time being and hope we recapture our earlier form that had us all excited..ggtth

[hibsbollah]

Whether it's his fault or not, Stubbs's stock is rock bottom just now.

Hopefully we're all in it together. Stubbs, players, fans, physio, tam McCourt, the seagulls, even Rod. I dont really concern myself with blaming the manager all the time.

[Big L]

Are we definitely in the play offs?.

We are currently on a Butcher-esk run of results, football isn't much better.

If we get in the play offs then we will be even worse by that point unless all the injured players return.

Are we allowed to bring back players we put out on loan ?

[SteveHFC]

Spot on, promotion or the party is over.

This.

[bingo70]

Are we allowed to bring back players we put out on loan ?

No, afraid not

[matty_f]

Big question marks over Stubbs now. Big claims through the season are really looking silly now, and the annoying thing is that if it was just his comments then it would only be himself being embarrassed. However, with these results we're all getting embarrassed.

i'm ****ing raging. It's not good enough, we've not been goid enough for a while now, and he doesn't seem to know how to resolve the issues.

[Nicho87]

Not good enough stubbs simply awful tonight

[Ozyhibby]

Are we allowed to bring back players we put out on loan ?

NO. Sorry for shouting but it's been covered a few times.


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[Pretty Boy]

How many points did we have at this stage last year?

Last time I checked it was 3 less than this season but that was a couple of weeks back so think it could be either the same or 3 more now.

[marinello59]

Big question marks over Stubbs now. Big claims through the season are really looking silly now, and the annoying thing is that if it was just his comments then it would only be himself being embarrassed. However, with these results we're all getting embarrassed.

i'm ****ing raging. It's not good enough, we've not been goid enough for a while now, and he doesn't seem to know how to resolve the issues.

Spot on.

[Big L]

Whether it's his fault or not, Stubbs's stock is rock bottom just now.

I know, they don't mention his name for the tic job now, what a f---ing shame!

[Pretty Boy]

Big question marks over Stubbs now. Big claims through the season are really looking silly now, and the annoying thing is that if it was just his comments then it would only be himself being embarrassed. However, with these results we're all getting embarrassed.

i'm ****ing raging. It's not good enough, we've not been goid enough for a while now, and he doesn't seem to know how to resolve the issues.

Nailed it.

[bingo70]

Big question marks over Stubbs now. Big claims through the season are really looking silly now, and the annoying thing is that if it was just his comments then it would only be himself being embarrassed. However, with these results we're all getting embarrassed.

i'm ****ing raging. It's not good enough, we've not been goid enough for a while now, and he doesn't seem to know how to resolve the issues.

Totally agree matty.

A lot of people saying if we don't go up we can't stick with Stubbs but I'm a bit concerned we can't take that chance, I'd be tempted to replace him soon if he can't stop the rot.

[Scorrie]

Big question marks over Stubbs now. Big claims through the season are really looking silly now, and the annoying thing is that if it was just his comments then it would only be himself being embarrassed. However, with these results we're all getting embarrassed.

i'm ****ing raging. It's not good enough, we've not been goid enough for a while now, and he doesn't seem to know how to resolve the issues.

Agree and the most worrying bit of your post is the final sentence. He doesn't appear to know how to change it and to be honest, he looked lost tonight

[pennyhibee]

Fair enough. So save the rage till May when we've inevitably ****ed it all up again.E
Exactly Keep the heid and the faith for now

[Stokesy's on fire]

Good one. :rolleyes:

cheers still a bit cheesed the red mist is still about. I have no beleif in Stubbs. We have lost 4 league games on the spin to crap sides the day we accept defeats like that is the day Hibernians stature has decreased

[Hibernia&Alba]

Big question marks over Stubbs now. Big claims through the season are really looking silly now, and the annoying thing is that if it was just his comments then it would only be himself being embarrassed. However, with these results we're all getting embarrassed.

i'm ****ing raging. It's not good enough, we've not been goid enough for a while now, and he doesn't seem to know how to resolve the issues.

Can't argue with what you're saying; the current league form is unacceptable. What I would say is the form could improve just as quickly as it's collapsed; improve when it really matters: the play offs. If we don't go up, of course there will be a discussion about Stubbs' future, but it could all yet come good. I still have confidence in him overall. Yes, he has things to learn, but I think we have a good young manager who needs our full support whilst the season is still in progress. At the end of the play offs the inquest may need to begin, but perhaps not.

[Smartie]

Big question marks over Stubbs now. Big claims through the season are really looking silly now, and the annoying thing is that if it was just his comments then it would only be himself being embarrassed. However, with these results we're all getting embarrassed.

i'm ****ing raging. It's not good enough, we've not been goid enough for a while now, and he doesn't seem to know how to resolve the issues.

:top marks

I'm stopping just short of calling for his head for 3 reasons -

He brought us on leaps and bounds last season and into the first half of this season (albeit it has gone to pieces since Christmas).
The cup runs have been fantastic.
Over the past 18 months or so he's actually made it enjoyable going to the football again - a big ask given what had gone before.

But surely to goodness there can be nobody out there who is seriously questioning this guy now? The team have collapsed, they don't look like they have a clue. They lack direction, the goals we lose are criminal, the chances we miss are worse. The January transfer window was an abomination, we've made serious mistakes letting players leave and have signed players that we either don't use or don't know how to use.

He has been horribly unlucky with injuries to key players - Hanlon, Fyvie and McGeouch would be big players for almost any premier league team and we miss them badly. But we were always going to have injuries, it was his job to get a squad together that could handle that. Where are our youth players? Normally in runs like this unexpected players emerge and stake a claim - our all seem to be out on loan or nowhere near ready for first team football.

There are a lot of separate problems at the club right now but imo they all lead back to one man.

The only crumb of comfort for me is that we now have an International break and we've never, ever, needed one more than this one. Hopefully we can get Hanlon, Fyvie and McGeouch back fit and playing again in the tricky, make or break month that April looks like being.

But more than that Stubbs needs to give himself a shake and have a long hard think about how he is going to get these players playing. His reputation depends on being able to do that.

[HappyHanlon]

No promotion then he's failed his remit and his contract shouldn't be renewed

[bawheid]

Big question marks over Stubbs now. Big claims through the season are really looking silly now, and the annoying thing is that if it was just his comments then it would only be himself being embarrassed. However, with these results we're all getting embarrassed.

i'm ****ing raging. It's not good enough, we've not been goid enough for a while now, and he doesn't seem to know how to resolve the issues.

IMO it would be utter madness to get rid of Stubbs either now or in the close season, no matter what happens.

He's been a breath of fresh air for the club, we've had some amazing results and the standard of football has been excellent.

I don't think we should underestimate what a big loss Hanlon is. Missing him is massive for this team. We wouldn't even be in this division if he hadn't gotten injured at the tail end of 13/14.

[Just Alf]

Big question marks over Stubbs now. Big claims through the season are really looking silly now, and the annoying thing is that if it was just his comments then it would only be himself being embarrassed. However, with these results we're all getting embarrassed.

i'm ****ing raging. It's not good enough, we've not been goid enough for a while now, and he doesn't seem to know how to resolve the issues.
Yup...... I've got so much time for the laddie it's really paining me to agree :-(


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[NORTHERNHIBBY]

How many points did we have at this stage last year?

Where were we in the league.

[Coco Bryce]

At least the media won't be touting Stubbs for the Celtic job any more 😕

[Big L]

No promotion then he's failed his remit and his contract shouldn't be renewed

He' signed till the end of next season, if he doesn't get us up then he will go before that. He was leaving at the end of last season and they persuaded him to stay.

[Smartie]

He' signed till the end of next season, if he doesn't get us up then he will go before that. He was leaving at the end of last season and they persuaded him to stay.

Really?

[JJP]

IMO it would be utter madness to get rid of Stubbs either now or in the close season, no matter what happens.

He's been a breath of fresh air for the club, we've had some amazing results and the standard of football has been excellent.

I don't think we should underestimate what a big loss Hanlon is. Missing him is massive for this team. We wouldn't even be in this division if he hadn't gotten injured at the tail end of 13/14.

The loss of Hanlon is a bit over stated IMO. Not that I don't rate him but McGregor and Fontaine are experienced players and more than capable replacements. Our drop in form is down to something else I think.

[matty_f]

IMO it would be utter madness to get rid of Stubbs either now or in the close season, no matter what happens.

He's been a breath of fresh air for the club, we've had some amazing results and the standard of football has been excellent.

I don't think we should underestimate what a big loss Hanlon is. Missing him is massive for this team. We wouldn't even be in this division if he hadn't gotten injured at the tail end of 13/14.

If we don't go up this season he should walk/get punted.

He's got every advantage over the rest of the league (bar the obvious). Bigger budget, bigger/better squad/training facilities/hand picked staff/big crowds/foreign training camps etc.

If you can't take Hibs up with all that in your favour, you aren't good enough. The Rangers, Falkirk, and Raith all have injuries

Dumbarton beat us with Christian Nade in their team. Just let that sink in for a minute - Dumbarton. With Christian ****ing Nade. And they did us twice.

[emerald green]

IMO it would be utter madness to get rid of Stubbs either now or in the close season, no matter what happens.

He's been a breath of fresh air for the club, we've had some amazing results and the standard of football has been excellent.

I don't think we should underestimate what a big loss Hanlon is. Missing him is massive for this team. We wouldn't even be in this division if he hadn't gotten injured at the tail end of 13/14.

Are you including tonight's result and standard of football? And the games against Morton, Dumbarton, and QOS recently?

Every team suffers injuries to key players throughout a long season. Aberdeen have lost Rooney. The Rangers have lost Waghorn. These are examples just off the top of my head.

Losing Paul Hanlon is no excuse. Stubbs has gone on record saying he is happy with his squad and losing one player should not mean a whole season going down the toilet, and certainly not against teams of that standard. We lost to Dumbarton just recently (for the second time this season). A team beaten today 6-0 by QOS. It's just not good enough.

[Smartie]

The loss of Hanlon is a bit over stated IMO. Not that I don't rate him but McGregor and Fontaine are experienced players and more than capable replacements. Our drop in form is down to something else I think.

Hanlon only went off iirc at the end of the Dumbarton game so the rot had set in by that point.

Hanlon, Fyvie and McGeouch would make up part of a solid spine of any team in Scotland though - the triple-whammy has really hurt us.

[H18 SFR]

When is Stubbs contracted unitl?

[rcarter1]

:top marks

I'm stopping just short of calling for his head for 3 reasons -

He brought us on leaps and bounds last season and into the first half of this season (albeit it has gone to pieces since Christmas).
The cup runs have been fantastic.
Over the past 18 months or so he's actually made it enjoyable going to the football again - a big ask given what had gone before.

But surely to goodness there can be nobody out there who is seriously questioning this guy now? The team have collapsed, they don't look like they have a clue. They lack direction, the goals we lose are criminal, the chances we miss are worse. The January transfer window was an abomination, we've made serious mistakes letting players leave and have signed players that we either don't use or don't know how to use.

He has been horribly unlucky with injuries to key players - Hanlon, Fyvie and McGeouch would be big players for almost any premier league team and we miss them badly. But we were always going to have injuries, it was his job to get a squad together that could handle that. Where are our youth players? Normally in runs like this unexpected players emerge and stake a claim - our all seem to be out on loan or nowhere near ready for first team football.

There are a lot of separate problems at the club right now but imo they all lead back to one man.

The only crumb of comfort for me is that we now have an International break and we've never, ever, needed one more than this one. Hopefully we can get Hanlon, Fyvie and McGeouch back fit and playing again in the tricky, make or break month that April looks like being.

But more than that Stubbs needs to give himself a shake and have a long hard think about how he is going to get these players playing. His reputation depends on being able to do that.

Agree.
He should resign, or face up to this head on like a man. He needs to get a hold of himself, and then transmit a plan to the team. If it goes south we decide over summer. If he takes us up, I will applaud it as pretty big achievement from this point here. Its going to take a mini miracle to achieve it.

[bawheid]

If we don't go up this season he should walk/get punted.

He's got every advantage over the rest of the league (bar the obvious). Bigger budget, bigger/better squad/training facilities/hand picked staff/big crowds/foreign training camps etc.

If you can't take Hibs up with all that in your favour, you aren't good enough. The Rangers, Falkirk, and Raith all have injuries

Dumbarton beat us with Christian Nade in their team. Just let that sink in for a minute - Dumbarton. With Christian ****ing Nade. And they did us twice.

I suppose it depends on what happens in May. If we limp into the play-offs and lose to Raith Rovers then I could start to agree. If we get to the play off final and lose to Kilmarnock in unfortunate circumstances then after the season we've had I'd be keen to give him another go rather than go through the upheaval of another manager change yet again. There would be no guarantees with a new manager either.

We've not had that many managers that have the sign over Hearts and get us to semi-finals of cup competitions regularly. He's done way more good than bad and deserves full support throughout April and May.

[Ozyhibby]

What's Stuart McColl up to these days?


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[bawheid]

Are you including tonight's result and standard of football? And the games against Morton, Dumbarton, and QOS recently.

What do you think? My point is that there's been way more good than bad and he's assembled a very good squad. He deserves support.

[Big L]

I think he is to soft to be a major success, he is to tight with the players, it's like he still wants to to be one off the guys. The way he went on about ScottAllan I thought he was going to adopt him! Their is no fear factor. In my opinion you manage a team you don't become their friends.

[Hibernia&Alba]

What's Stuart McColl up to these days?


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Watching old Rangers DVDs and drooling over them as a pundit.

[Stokesy's on fire]

What's Stuart McColl up to these days?


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He's getting drunk with ally and Gazza they ran out of grass to cut

[Coco Bryce]

The wheels have well and truly came of Stubbsy bus.

[emerald green]

What do you think? My point is that there's been way more good than bad and he's assembled a very good squad. He deserves support.

So why is this very good squad getting beat by garbage like Raith Rovers, Morton, Dumbarton (twice) and QOS? Shipping 12 goals alone in those matches? Don't come away with the injuries excuse. All teams suffer injuries throughout a season, including those mentioned above.

There may be "way more good than bad" but a club with Hibs comparative resources and fanbase toiling in 3rd position in a lower league (a crap league) is not good enough.

I don't know what the answer is to be quite honest. I'm bewildered by the recent turn of events.

[Betty Boop]

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the walls are closing in but we better beat falkirk in the promotion race
ltyf

[Hibernia&Alba]

Why would any Hibs fan post this? Also they seem to be from folk with very low post counts! Funny that.

:agree:

LTYF

[bawheid]

So why is this very good squad getting beat by garbage like Raith Rovers, Morton, Dumbarton (twice) and QOS? Shipping 12 goals alone in those matches? Don't come away with the injuries excuse. All teams suffer injuries throughout a season, including those mentioned above.

There may be "way more good than bad" but a club with Hibs comparative resources and fanbase toiling in 3rd position in a lower league (a crap league) is not good enough.

I don't know what the answer is to be quite honest. I'm bewildered by the recent turn of events.

I think the squad is knackered to be honest. Battling on too many fronts. A victim of our own success.

It's not over though. We need to get into the mindset that we've had our slump and we can get back on the horse. Fans can help with that.

[Giro Playboy]

It wasn't that long ago we were ****ting ourselves Stubbs was going to go to Celtic. It feels like we are now talking about two different managers

[Greenblood70]

If we don't go up this season he should walk/get punted.

He's got every advantage over the rest of the league (bar the obvious). Bigger budget, bigger/better squad/training facilities/hand picked staff/big crowds/foreign training camps etc.

If you can't take Hibs up with all that in your favour, you aren't good enough. The Rangers, Falkirk, and Raith all have injuries

Dumbarton beat us with Christian Nade in their team. Just let that sink in for a minute - Dumbarton. With Christian ****ing Nade. And they did us twice.

His stubborness in insisting Oxley is a keeper and that Cummings and Stokes are a front pair worry me.

We've looked like a very poor Championship team for the last couple of months.

JUST..NOT..GOOD ENOUGH

[emerald green]

I think the squad is knackered to be honest. Battling on too many fronts. A victim of our own success.

It's not over though. We need to get into the mindset that we've had our slump and we can get back on the horse. Fans can help with that.

In that case, have you seen Hibs fixture list in April?

[bawheid]

In that case, have you seen Hibs fixture list in April?

Yes, the perfect opportunity to do just that.

[emerald green]

Yes, the perfect opportunity to do just that.

Yet you just said you think the squad is knackered! "Battling on too many fronts." :confused:

[bawheid]

Yet you just said you think the squad is knackered! :confused:

Am I right in saying we have two weeks break before our next game?

[Greenwich_Hibby]

His stubborness in insisting Oxley is a keeper and that Cummings and Stokes are a front pair worry me.

We've looked like a very poor Championship team for the last couple of months.

JUST..NOT..GOOD ENOUGH

Agreed - it appears he is blinded by loyalty?

[Big L]

To be fair, the cup runs have taken the pressure off AS. If he had been sitting in the english champ. In 2nd place at this time of the season and just had the run of league results we have just had, he might well have found himself out of a job. I'm not advocating that at the moment, but their is to much at stake here if we don't get up. He has had more financial backing than any manager has had in a very long time and he needs to sort this out PDQ.

[Billy Whizz]

Am I right in saying we have two weeks break before our next game?

Yes, St Mirren away, but a few of the squad are away on an international duty, McGinn, Cummings, Henderson and Stokes I think

[Smartie]

Am I right in saying we have two weeks break before our next game?

I think so.

We've never needed a two week break like we need one now.

We need some players back from injury asap too.

[bawheid]

Yes, St Mirren away, but a few of the squad are away on an international duty, McGinn, Cummings, Henderson and Stokes I think

Good. Should be a boost for them. They'll come back better for it hopefully.

[emerald green]

Am I right in saying we have two weeks break before our next game?

Hibs next game is on 2 April away to St Mirren. The start of a run of games where they play two games every week plus a Scottish Cup semi-final.

[Thecat23]

Has that Marty Boy been punted?

[bawheid]

Hibs next game is on 2 April away to St Mirren. The start of a run of games where they play two games every week plus a Scottish Cup semi-final.

And I absolutely cannae wait. Mon the Hibees.

[Thecat23]

The break may be a good thing. Let them regroup and get some much needed rest for the final push.

Hibs can and will do this.

[emerald green]

And I absolutely cannae wait. Mon the Hibees.

I thought you might say that. You crack on bawheid. :aok:

[Billy Whizz]

And I absolutely cannae wait. Mon the Hibees.

Bought my tickets yesterday, the 2 week break will do the fans pockets good as well😄

[bawheid]

I thought you might say that. You crack on bawheid. :aok:

What else is there to do? Collectively piss our pants and cry on an internet forum? No, we should bloody well circle the wagons, stick together and do our best to push the team on.

[.Sean.]

Big question marks over Stubbs now. Big claims through the season are really looking silly now, and the annoying thing is that if it was just his comments then it would only be himself being embarrassed. However, with these results we're all getting embarrassed.

i'm ****ing raging. It's not good enough, we've not been goid enough for a while now, and he doesn't seem to know how to resolve the issues.
:agree:

For the first time Stubbs is under genuine pressure and we'll see his true character.

We don't go up and he'll be oot in his erse when Dempster has a look the inevitably awful ST sales.

The only word to sum up our form since the turn of the year is embarrassing and for me the buck stops with Stubbs for that. Baffling team selections, baffling tactics and even more baffling are his use of substitutions. No plan B, he can't change a game and he's been sussed out by near enough every manager in the league.

He talks a good game to his pals in the media so it's high time he backed it up because this is ****ing chronic.

[Billy Whizz]

What else is there to do? Collectively piss our pants and cry on an internet forum? No, we should bloody well circle the wagons, stick together and do our best to push the team on.

Exactly, we lost a game today. Spoke to a number of fans after the game today, the general opinion was we lost today, but does it change anything other than 3 lost points. All the prizes are up for grabs in May

[The Harp Awakes]

The break may be a good thing. Let them regroup and get some much needed rest for the final push.

Hibs can and will do this.

I agree with you Cat, Hibs definately have the ability in the squad to turn things around but I really hope the Manager is giving them a rocket over recent results and performances. With the talent and budget we have, we should be pumping these teams, so to lose 4 league games in the trot against them is outrageous.

[Thecat23]

I agree with you Cat, Hibs definately have the ability in the squad to turn things around but I really hope the Manager is giving them a rocket over recent results and performances. With the talent and budget we have, we should be pumping these teams, so to lose 4 league games in the trot against them is outrageous.

Can't disagree with any of that mate.

[emerald green]

What else is there to do? Collectively piss our pants and cry on an internet forum? No, we should bloody well circle the wagons, stick together and do our best to push the team on.

The supporters have been doing that for years, including me, for a lot longer than you many of them.

Nobody is crying. Well not me anyway. Although I did see a few in tears as I left Hampden last week.

Like many of them, I'm just sick and tired of being let down and disappointed. Not everyone is of the same opinion as you. That's what happens on an internet forum. You do understand that don't you?

[ronaldo7]

What else is there to do? Collectively piss our pants and cry on an internet forum? No, we should bloody well circle the wagons, stick together and do our best to push the team on.

:kbacker::kbacker::kbacker::cb

It's the only thing I could get for circling the wagons. :aok:

We'll support you evermore...

[bawheid]

The supporters have been doing that for years, including me, for a lot longer than you many of them.

I don't think now's the time for a who's got the biggest knob competition. We're all Hibs fans here, well most of us.



Nobody is crying. Well not me anyway. Although I did see a few in tears as I left Hampden last week.

Like many of them, I'm just sick and tired of being let down and disappointed. Not everyone is of the same opinion as you. That's what happens on an internet forum. You do understand that don't you?

Don't be patronising.

[Ozyhibby]

What else is there to do? Collectively piss our pants and cry on an internet forum? No, we should bloody well circle the wagons, stick together and do our best to push the team on.

I remember all those rallying cries from 2014. [emoji23]


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[emerald green]

Don't be patronising.

That wasn't my intention. Time to call it a day.

[ronaldo7]

I remember all those rallying cries from 2014. [emoji23]


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I remember them from a bit further back.:wink:

[bawheid]

That wasn't my intention. Time to call it a day.

Agreed. Enjoy the rest of your weekend. I've just watched Hibs lose to Raith, Scotland lose to Ireland and England win the Grand Slam. Magic.

[Pete]

I remember all those rallying cries from 2014. [emoji23]


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What's that got to do with anything?

Different circumstances.

[Thecat23]

I remember all those rallying cries from 2014. [emoji23]


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Not being funny but what else do we do? Just chuck it? Tell everyone Hibs are *****?

As long as we keep doing our part then no one can say they weren't backed. Nothing at all wrong with fans backing the team when needed. Well some always will others will vanish that's football.

[emerald green]

Agreed. Enjoy the rest of your weekend. I've just watched Hibs lose to Raith, Scotland lose to Ireland and England win the Grand Slam. Magic.

You too. Na, it's total sheite mate. :greengrin

[Pete]

Agreed. Enjoy the rest of your weekend. I've just watched Hibs lose to Raith, Scotland lose to Ireland and England win the Grand Slam. Magic.

Great. I spend all day avoiding the rugby scores do I can watch rugby match of the day.

:-(

[bawheid]

Great. I spend all day avoiding the rugby scores do I can watch rugby match of the day.

:-(

Oops! Really?? If so, apologies! :embarrass

[Pete]

Oops! Really?? If so, apologies! :embarrass

:greengrin

I'm only messing. All we can do is laugh.

[Scottie]

Agreed. Enjoy the rest of your weekend. I've just watched Hibs lose to Raith, Scotland lose to Ireland and England win the Grand Slam. Magic.
:agree: iF CARLING DONE WEEKEND'S THIS HAS GOT TO BE ONE OF THE WORST ONES OF THE YEAR.

MIND YOU IT CAN ALWAYS BE WORSE YOU COULD HAVE 12 FINGERS AND SUPPORT THE POPPY THIEVES.

[Ozyhibby]

Not being funny but what else do we do? Just chuck it? Tell everyone Hibs are *****?

As long as we keep doing our part then no one can say they weren't backed. Nothing at all wrong with fans backing the team when needed. Well some always will others will vanish that's football.

Fans are doing their bit as always. Club need to act. Something they did not do in 2014.
We are in a very similar tailspin. We need to pull out real quick. We can't wait this time.


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[bawheid]

:greengrin

I'm only messing. All we can do is laugh.

Phew. After the furore the MOTD threads caused I thought I had dropped a clanger!

[Thecat23]

Fans are doing their bit as always. Club need to act. Something they did not do in 2014.
We are in a very similar tailspin. We need to pull out real quick. We can't wait this time.


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I just didn't get what your post mean with the laughing face at the end of it? It seemed to patronise the fans.

[H18 SFR]

Stubbs had a job to do initially when he took over in the shape of building a bit of structure to repair the damage done by Butcher. He has achieved this, the foundations are in place for us to progress over the next 30 months. Sadly I fear this he is not the man for the job hereonin.

He deserves credit for rebuilding a shambles but he won't be leaving a meaningful legacy at Hibs. He is merely the next nearly story.

I'd genuinely thank him for all his efforts in the summer and wish him well at where ever he ends up. I'm sure that his experiences with Hibs will make him a good manager elsewhere, sadly we are the Guinea pigs.

[fulshie]

There is no doubting we've had a sore time of it recently except for the SC replay win. To be fair though we have been very unlucky with injuries and most games we've lost we have dominated. The break with the internationals coming up will do us good as I cant remember a time recently when the club has had such a busy schedule. We will get stronger in the coming weeks as Hanlon and Fyvie get back into the squad and get full match fitness and with a bit of luck McGeoch too. Its a time to stick together and support our club back up to the top tier. We can and will do this. :flag:GGTTH

[Hiber-nation]

Post match interview. Very critical of the players this time

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/tv/freeview

[coldingham hibs]

Post match interview. Very critical of the players this time

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/tv/freeview

Not before time, for once he actually looked like he knows his job is on the line. Hopefully he'll stop all the interviews and focus on getting things right Not sure who he thinks he can replace in defence though as we hardly have a queue of defenders, although Oxley must be first to be dropped.

[Jonnyboy]

Post match interview. Very critical of the players this time

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/tv/freeview

A good and honest assessment IMO. He's angry and rightly so