Stubbs

[J-C]

Most of all the positives are because we put a run together in a mickey mouse league. Now we are in a fight with Falkirk for 2nd place. If people argue we shouldn't be anywhere near sevco because of their spending power, should we not be doing better than Falkirk, is that how it works now. My main gripe with Stubbs is he keeps making the same mistakes over and over again. Why cant hibs bulldoze teams by overpowering them, why is it we always have to end up failing because our silky football gets found out. Stubbs team selections and substitutions yesterday were baffling, not for the first time.

And of course theres obviously nobody out there who could possibly do better, we just need to blindly follow the man who seems to never learn. Thats just bollox.


:top marks

[Hermit Crab]

Is there a large amount of fans who think Stubbs should go? I don't think he should but are there really people calling for his head?

[Smartie]

Is there a large amount of fans who think Stubbs should go? I don't think he should but are there really people calling for his head?

I think the jury's out - pretty much as it should be.

There is no doubt he inherited a shambles and has since improved things.

Lots to play for this season - he wins the Scottish Cup and gets us promoted he's a roaring success and we'll be lucky to hold onto him.

If we go out with a whimper on Wednesday with no signs of successfully tackling the problems we've had for a month or so now and then fail in the play-offs and I think the majority would be happy to see the back of him.

It all comes down to fine margins.

Some people will already be in one camp or the other but I'd imagine the majority would agree with me on this.

[Ozyhibby]

I think the jury's out - pretty much as it should be.

There is no doubt he inherited a shambles and has since improved things.

Lots to play for this season - he wins the Scottish Cup and gets us promoted he's a roaring success and we'll be lucky to hold onto him.

If we go out with a whimper on Wednesday with no signs of successfully tackling the problems we've had for a month or so now and then fail in the play-offs and I think the majority would be happy to see the back of him.

It all comes down to fine margins.

Some people will already be in one camp or the other but I'd imagine the majority would agree with me on this.

That's pretty much where I am. He has to start delivering now.


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[E10 Rifle]

Deep breath. I am led to believe the doubts about Stubbs may extend beyond a % of the support (however small) to the owners and that as far back as November they may have been ready to give him his jotters if we'd lost to Rangers at that point.

He'll no doubt be given to the end of the season now but I reckon if there's no promotion at the end of it - he'll be gone. He has been given more backing than any Hibs manager since McLeish and yet I have never left a game more downhearted and pee'd off than yesterdays, or in general left more games underwhelmed this year (even if we've won 1-0 etc. v Stranraer, Morton, Raith) than with him in charge. We've had some good times too for sure and our run to yesterday's final and the SC win over the Jambos are very nice to have, but overall we are miles away from where we should be with the players at our disposal and that has to be his issue alone.

Maybe I have too high an expectation of him given the players at his disposal and his own honest PR, but when he started to talk of a treble a few weeks ago I thought he was extremely naive and he was spelling out trouble for himself. So I hope he turns it around, starting on Wednesday, and he has my support despite my disappointment of yesterday but very soon he may have nowhere to turn.

[Smartie]

Deep breath. I am led to believe the doubts about Stubbs may extend beyond a % of the support (however small) to the owners and that as far back as November they may have been ready to give him his jotters if we'd lost to Rangers at that point.

He'll no doubt be given to the end of the season now but I reckon if there's no promotion at the end of it - he'll be gone. He has been given more backing than any Hibs manager since McLeish and yet I have never left a game more downhearted and pee'd off than yesterdays, or in general left more games underwhelmed this year (even if we've won 1-0 etc. v Stranraer, Morton, Raith) than with him in charge. We've had some good times too for sure and our run to yesterday's final and the SC win over the Jambos are very nice to have, but overall we are miles away from where we should be with the players at our disposal and that has to be his issue alone.

Maybe I have too high an expectation of him given the players at his disposal and his own honest PR, but when he started to talk of a treble a few weeks ago I thought he was extremely naive and he was spelling out trouble for himself. So I hope he turns it around, starting on Wednesday, and he has my support despite my disappointment of yesterday but very soon he may have nowhere to turn.

I think he was done a bit of a disservice by the journalist on that occasion.

TBH I would prefer talk of trebles to Gray's talk of the cups being a bonus.

At least I thought at the time he made the treble comments that he was taking the cup competitions seriously.


I have concerns but he still gets the benefit of the doubt. He really needs to deliver in some big games between now and the end of the season though.

I agree that he's been handsomely backed. You could argue that he should have done more with the players we have but tbh he did very well to attract those players to us in the first place.

[Eyrie]

Is Stubbs a good manager? Not yet.

Can he become a good manager? Yes.

What does he need to do then?

Simple - he needs to demonstrate that he has learnt to identify when something isn't working and then make a change. Sometimes the change won't work, but that is still better than repeating the same mistakes in the hope that the outcome will be different. He'll learn something, and if the change does work he'll have learnt even more.

For me Stubbs had last season to make his mistakes and this season to show he has learnt from them. His persistence with the narrow diamond when it is clear that teams have worked out how to stop us playing is evidence that he isn't learning, and if we don't go up this season then there will be sufficient evidence to question why he should be given a third season to make the same mistakes again.

[E10 Rifle]

I think he was done a bit of a disservice by the journalist on that occasion.

TBH I would prefer talk of trebles to Gray's talk of the cups being a bonus.

At least I thought at the time he made the treble comments that he was taking the cup competitions seriously.


I have concerns but he still gets the benefit of the doubt. He really needs to deliver in some big games between now and the end of the season though.

I agree that he's been handsomely backed. You could argue that he should have done more with the players we have but tbh he did very well to attract those players to us in the first place.

All good points

[Leith Green]

If we fail to get promoted this season then id give him one last shot next season. I think our cup games and replays etc have hindered our league performances. We have looked tired these past few weeks and its affected our league position. He gets next season for me, but id expect to go up as convincing champions.

[FranckSuzy]

Deep breath. I am led to believe the doubts about Stubbs may extend beyond a % of the support (however small) to the owners and that as far back as November they may have been ready to give him his jotters if we'd lost to Rangers at that point.

He'll no doubt be given to the end of the season now but I reckon if there's no promotion at the end of it - he'll be gone. He has been given more backing than any Hibs manager since McLeish and yet I have never left a game more downhearted and pee'd off than yesterdays, or in general left more games underwhelmed this year (even if we've won 1-0 etc. v Stranraer, Morton, Raith) than with him in charge. We've had some good times too for sure and our run to yesterday's final and the SC win over the Jambos are very nice to have, but overall we are miles away from where we should be with the players at our disposal and that has to be his issue alone.

Maybe I have too high an expectation of him given the players at his disposal and his own honest PR, but when he started to talk of a treble a few weeks ago I thought he was extremely naive and he was spelling out trouble for himself. So I hope he turns it around, starting on Wednesday, and he has my support despite my disappointment of yesterday but very soon he may have nowhere to turn.

Not wishing to start an argument but I find the bit in bold astonishing, if true. We were unbeaten in the league at home, had put Aberdeen - who were flying in the Premiership at that point - out of the cup and had beaten Falkirk and QOTS (perceived to be challenging for at least the third and fourth spots) away from home. What grounds were there, I'm curious to know, for the owners to "give him his jotters"? :confused:

[Lang Toun hibby]

Ross County worked out we would play the diamond and knew exactly the team personnel. They knew that flooding the midfield would make us punt long from the back and we do not win balls in the air, especially JC who is embarrassing in his attempts. It must have been brilliant for the RC players to know their management had it spot on and to keep pressing us and if Hibs keep missing then they will get chances and take them. Second half they were obviously told to break quickly and at speed bomb forward and wait on the dodgy central defenders making mistakes.

The need for Farid with 60 mins gone was for me obvious with possibly Boyle alongside. Gunnarson on for Thomson and go to a back three. Stubbs keeps the same formation hoping things will turn and not responding to changes by the opposing managers. Also like to point out Stubbs is part of a management team and why are they not seeing some of the issues previously noted by a number on here?

[Gordy M]

I think he was done a bit of a disservice by the journalist on that occasion.

TBH I would prefer talk of trebles to Gray's talk of the cups being a bonus.

At least I thought at the time he made the treble comments that he was taking the cup competitions seriously.


I have concerns but he still gets the benefit of the doubt. He really needs to deliver in some big games between now and the end of the season though.

I agree that he's been handsomely backed. You could argue that he should have done more with the players we have but tbh he did very well to attract those players to us in the first place.

I agree with a lot of that, and not looking for an argument, but did folk expect better than 2nd in the league(which im sure we will get) one cup final and at quarters of the other cup(maybe further) before the season started?? If they did id like to hear what they thought we would get?

[MWHIBBIES]

Ross County worked out we would play the diamond and knew exactly the team personnel. They knew that flooding the midfield would make us punt long from the back and we do not win balls in the air, especially JC who is embarrassing in his attempts. It must have been brilliant for the RC players to know their management had it spot on and to keep pressing us and if Hibs keep missing then they will get chances and take them. Second half they were obviously told to break quickly and at speed bomb forward and wait on the dodgy central defenders making mistakes.

The need for Farid with 60 mins gone was for me obvious with possibly Boyle alongside. Gunnarson on for Thomson and go to a back three. Stubbs keeps the same formation hoping things will turn and not responding to changes by the opposing managers. Also like to point out Stubbs is part of a management team and why are they not seeing some of the issues previously noted by a number on here?
We didn't ''punt'' long from the back at all, dunno what game you were watching. Go watch our second goal in the semi final and you will clearly see why we play it long at times.

[Hibbydent]

I can't believe some of these posts, Alan Stubbs has pulled the club back from the dreadful mess that was left by Fenlon then Butcher, his signings have mostly been good even inspired, his personalised fitness and training regimes have kept our players fit and strong, perhaps we've had too much cup success this season leading to too many games. Alan Stubbs is the best manager we've had since Tony Mowbray, talk of getting rid of him is ludicrous.

I don't think Stokes was a good signing, he is arrogant and disruptive, we need good team players at this end of a tough season, would Anier or a fit Farid have done better or worse? certainly they would work harder.

I do wonder what Martin Boyle has to do to get a run in the team, genuine pace creates so many chances, and I would have preferred to have kept Dominique Malonga and left Stokes at Celtic.

[E10 Rifle]

Not wishing to start an argument but I find the bit in bold astonishing, if true. We were unbeaten in the league, had put Aberdeen - who were flying in the Premiership at that point - out of the cup and had beaten Falkirk away from home. What grounds were there, I'm curious to know, for the Board to "give him his jotters"? :confused:

Note I didn't say Board - I said owners. Don't worry there's no argument as I thought it implausible too at the time, but if you think about it (and forgive me for not having the actual stats to hand) if we'd not beaten Sevco at ER round about then they would have been about as far ahead of us then as ironically they are now and they may have wanted someone else in before the transfer window to close the gap. Maybe someone who deferred, or managed, some egos at ER better too. For a clue as to what sort of character they may like I tend to ask myself why has Petrie been TFs sidekick for so long, because he does exactly what he's told by him...always.

I have no more than that I'm afraid.

Anyway - hope I genuinely hope it all works out for the better for all of us. Time to pick ourselves back up again.

[Iggy Pope]

Not wishing to start an argument but I find the bit in bold astonishing, if true. We were unbeaten in the league, had put Aberdeen - who were flying in the Premiership at that point - out of the cup and had beaten Falkirk away from home. What grounds were there, I'm curious to know, for the Board to "give him his jotters"? :confused:

Don't know anything about this and I'd be disappointed if the 'owners' thought anything of the sort, but that bit in bold just isn't correct at all sadly.

[Smartie]

I agree with a lot of that, and not looking for an argument, but did folk expect better than 2nd in the league(which im sure we will get) one cup final and at quarters of the other cup(maybe further) before the season started?? If they did id like to hear what they thought we would get?

A very fair point.

Regarding the league - whilst they were always going to improve at some point, Rangers started in the summer essentially where we were the summer before. They got a squad together good enough to hit the ground running and they've never looked back. Over last summer, with the benefit of the season before to "bed in" I'd have expected us to push on and challenge Rangers a bit more. We're talking about doing better against teams like Morton and Dumbarton here - I don't think it's unreasonable to expect us to better in these games than we have.

2nd brings with it the lottery of the playoffs but if he can get us through that minefield (and I don't care who it is against) then he deserves immense credit.

Regarding the cups - I don't think what is written on paper tells the full story. TBH the League Cup run was a magnificent achievement - for a championship club to beat the premier teams we have is a huge achievement and he deserves great credit. But to fall the way we did at the final hurdle…..

The Scottish Cup - he's preserved an impressive derby record for starters and let's not pretend that that doesn't matter - it does, a lot. The comeback at Tynecastle is one of my favourite 45 minutes as a Hibs fan. Back from the dead to equalise in injury time then win the replay - superb. And there may be more to the Scottish Cup run yet…..

Add to the mix stuff like the Scott Allan saga - he played a blinder there.

On paper it may seem like we've done ok but I don't think that tells the full story, not by a long shot.

[MWHIBBIES]

Not wishing to start an argument but I find the bit in bold astonishing, if true. We were unbeaten in the league, had put Aberdeen - who were flying in the Premiership at that point - out of the cup and had beaten Falkirk away from home. What grounds were there, I'm curious to know, for the Board to "give him his jotters"? :confused:Tbf we'd have been 11 behind the huns with less than half the season played, that is a big deal and one I'd be worried if our owners/board weren't concerned with. Thankfully we won and caught up to them but have fallen again. Our league season clearly hasn't been good enough and questions will rightly be asked of Stubbs if we don't go up.

[FranckSuzy]

Don't know anything about this and I'd be disappointed if the 'owners' thought anything of the sort, but that bit in bold just isn't correct at all sadly.

Och, my memory's obviously playing tricks on me - heavy weekend :greengrin

[Gordy M]

A very fair point.

Regarding the league - whilst they were always going to improve at some point, Rangers started in the summer essentially where we were the summer before. They got a squad together good enough to hit the ground running and they've never looked back. Over last summer, with the benefit of the season before to "bed in" I'd have expected us to push on and challenge Rangers a bit more. We're talking about doing better against teams like Morton and Dumbarton here - I don't think it's unreasonable to expect us to better in these games than we have.

2nd brings with it the lottery of the playoffs but if he can get us through that minefield (and I don't care who it is against) then he deserves immense credit.

Regarding the cups - I don't think what is written on paper tells the full story. TBH the League Cup run was a magnificent achievement - for a championship club to beat the premier teams we have is a huge achievement and he deserves great credit. But to fall the way we did at the final hurdle…..

The Scottish Cup - he's preserved an impressive derby record for starters and let's not pretend that that doesn't matter - it does, a lot. The comeback at Tynecastle is one of my favourite 45 minutes as a Hibs fan. Back from the dead to equalise in injury time then win the replay - superb. And there may be more to the Scottish Cup run yet…..

Add to the mix stuff like the Scott Allan saga - he played a blinder there.

On paper it may seem like we've done ok but I don't think that tells the full story, not by a long shot.

Yeh totally agree with all that, of course i thought we would run rangers a lot closer but always thought they might just beat us to first. A lot of good results this season...some not so good, but i actually think the cups have affected our league run...we seemed to be playing every other midweek when sevco and falkirk were not. Injuries to the 'spine' of the team also came at a bad time...prob not helped by the amount of games.i counted that we have already played 37 games this season. Still all to play for though.

[Thecat23]

Deep breath. I am led to believe the doubts about Stubbs may extend beyond a % of the support (however small) to the owners and that as far back as November they may have been ready to give him his jotters if we'd lost to Rangers at that point.

He'll no doubt be given to the end of the season now but I reckon if there's no promotion at the end of it - he'll be gone. He has been given more backing than any Hibs manager since McLeish and yet I have never left a game more downhearted and pee'd off than yesterdays, or in general left more games underwhelmed this year (even if we've won 1-0 etc. v Stranraer, Morton, Raith) than with him in charge. We've had some good times too for sure and our run to yesterday's final and the SC win over the Jambos are very nice to have, but overall we are miles away from where we should be with the players at our disposal and that has to be his issue alone.

Maybe I have too high an expectation of him given the players at his disposal and his own honest PR, but when he started to talk of a treble a few weeks ago I thought he was extremely naive and he was spelling out trouble for himself. So I hope he turns it around, starting on Wednesday, and he has my support despite my disappointment of yesterday but very soon he may have nowhere to turn.

If Stubbs was about to be sacked (don't believe it btw) if he didn't beat The Rangers then we need a new owner. Thankfully I think someone has been winding you up on that front!

The Rangers were never going to be as bad as last year and they have proven they have what it takes to win a league. As for Stubbs, well personally think he's done superb to what we were. We also have played some fantastic football at times but seem to struggle at scoring more than 1 or two.

What I do find funny is how Stubbs has now became the best backed manager since big Eck. You would be very surprised at what Calderwood, and Fenlon got. We don't have millions to spend or hundreds of thousands. Our budget for players has remained pretty much the same. The money we take in through other things does help though. But the board haven't gave Stubbs some pot of gold that no other manager has had.

I'm sure the ones on here who know board room members will know this as well. It just really annoys me when Stubbs is said to be backed as if no other manager was. They were and didn't use the funds wisely.

[JimBHibees]

Not wishing to start an argument but I find the bit in bold astonishing, if true. We were unbeaten in the league, had put Aberdeen - who were flying in the Premiership at that point - out of the cup and had beaten Falkirk away from home. What grounds were there, I'm curious to know, for the Board to "give him his jotters"? :confused:

The boy is making it up, probably a yam.

[E10 Rifle]

If Stubbs was about to be sacked (don't believe it btw) if he didn't beat The Rangers then we need a new owner. Thankfully I think someone has been winding you up on that front!

The Rangers were never going to be as bad as last year and they have proven they have what it takes to win a league. As for Stubbs, well personally think he's done superb to what we were. We also have played some fantastic football at times but seem to struggle at scoring more than 1 or two.

What I do find funny is how Stubbs has now became the best backed manager since big Eck. You would be very surprised at what Calderwood, and Fenlon got. We don't have millions to spend or hundreds of thousands. Our budget for players has remained pretty much the same. The money we take in through other things does help though. But the board haven't gave Stubbs some pot of gold that no other manager has had.

I'm sure the ones on here who know board room members will know this as well. It just really annoys me when Stubbs is said to be backed as if no other manager was. They were and didn't use the funds wisely.

I will doff my cap to your knowledge - maybe the fact he had a clearer deck than some at the start gives me the impression he's had more, so fair point.

I am not ITK and know nothing about the football side but I don't believe it was a 'wind-up'. There was no need for it to be as there's a strong mutual respect between 'source' and 'MB poster'.

I'll admit it does sound slightly mad though and I only post now - several months after the conversation - as it's in context and it adds a little bit of potential insight to the debate which is what the MB is all about. It's my only 'scoop' (unless you count seagulls and pies)...so give me that least :wink:

Anyway, hope he makes all of this irrelevant over the next few weeks by winning handsomely.

[Callum_62]

Sacking Stubbs if we lost to Rangers?

Weren't we on a good unbeaten run by then?

Mental.

Dont believe it.

[Forza Fred]

I think Stubbsie is an ok manager who is still learning, but if get beat on Wednesday and fail to get promotion then given the resources that are believed to have been made available to him, the board will have to seriously consider whether they can continue with a 'more of the same' approach next season.

One mistake I believe he made..partly due to his mischievous streak, was in not immediately hosing down any suggestions of us going for a 'treble'

I KNOW he did not say we were, but I think an experienced manager would have killed the idea straight away instead of letting the press have room to move on it.

I DO think the tacit expectations put a bit more pressure on the players, and it's working against us now.

[broondog]

Is there a large amount of fans who think Stubbs should go? I don't think he should but are there really people calling for his head?

I think he should go if we go out the Scottish tbh.

[HibeeEmma]

Is there a large amount of fans who think Stubbs should go? I don't think he should but are there really people calling for his head?

The aim for this season is to get promoted. Any cup progress is a bonus. If we get promoted Stubbs will be a hero - to the point we are at risk of losing him to a bigger club. If we don't get promoted and we sack him I doubt we could attract as good a manager as Stubbs to a championship side who are in the league for a third year running.

Getting rid of Stubbs voluntarily would be the worst things Hibs could do.

[HoboHarry]

I think he should go if we go out the Scottish tbh.
Just stop FFS.

[0762]

Deep breath. I am led to believe the doubts about Stubbs may extend beyond a % of the support (however small) to the owners and that as far back as November they may have been ready to give him his jotters if we'd lost to Rangers at that point.

He'll no doubt be given to the end of the season now but I reckon if there's no promotion at the end of it - he'll be gone. He has been given more backing than any Hibs manager since McLeish and yet I have never left a game more downhearted and pee'd off than yesterdays, or in general left more games underwhelmed this year (even if we've won 1-0 etc. v Stranraer, Morton, Raith) than with him in charge. We've had some good times too for sure and our run to yesterday's final and the SC win over the Jambos are very nice to have, but overall we are miles away from where we should be with the players at our disposal and that has to be his issue alone.

Maybe I have too high an expectation of him given the players at his disposal and his own honest PR, but when he started to talk of a treble a few weeks ago I thought he was extremely naive and he was spelling out trouble for himself. So I hope he turns it around, starting on Wednesday, and he has my support despite my disappointment of yesterday but very soon he may have nowhere to turn.


First Para - don't believe a word of that. Think the Board have a lot of faith in Stubbs and cant believe he hes ever been close to an exit.

Second Para - think he's gone regardless. Stubbs came up here to get his first managers jobs and make a name for himself so he can get another job back down south, closer to his family (who have never moved up). He spends probably more time doing media work on Sky and BT Sport so his face is being broadcast into the rest of the UK than any other current manager in Scotland I can think about. He's not daft. That's why Managers, and especially out of work Managers go on the TV, to sell themselves to their next employer.

Third Para - Mr Rifle we should all have high expectations so don't beat yourself up. We should look to our manager to get more out of the players at his disposal. A good manager will make good players better. Just look at what Leicester City are achieving in a league where the big guys are spending significantly more money than them. We have some decent players in our squad, not world beaters but good player, although I do think we lack a GK, a winger and a big physical target striker.

I like Stubbs and think he has the making of a good manager at a higher level. But the guy needs to stop talking the talk and start walking the walk. The January window has been a disaster and the players brought in have not bettered the team. If the Club doesn't go up this summer forget relegation, the last two years will have been as big a disaster and potentially more damaging.

Time to take stock and rethink of what the plan needs to be between now and the end of the season that will see us return that winning formula that we have enjoyed for most of the Season.

[blackpoolhibs]

FFS I could have improved the shambles he took over, when he actually achieves something substantial like promotion or a cup win we can fawn all over the silky winning football. Until such time its just more of the usual crap with a few good results thrown in.

And all this in the 2nd tier.

[Steve20]

I think he should go if we go out the Scottish tbh.

He shouldn't be sacked if we lose to Inverness. That would be pointless now. If he fails to go up, that's when there should be a change.

[Thecat23]

I think he should go if we go out the Scottish tbh.

What a pathetic post!

[Septimus]

I think he should go if we go out the Scottish tbh.

By that reasoning we should have had a new manager every year since 1902.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I think he should go if we go out the Scottish tbh.

Total nonsense, IMO


He shouldn't be sacked if we lose to Inverness. That would be pointless now. If he fails to go up, that's when there should be a change.

Still not convinced that wouldn't prove counter-productive in the long run.

[Since90+2]

If we don't get promoted we won't have to get rid of him as he will walk IMO.

Stubbs won't fancy another year in the Scottish Championship and if we don't go up I would imagine the board (and the majority of the fans) would be happy to see the relationship end.

Lets just hope it doesn't come to that.

[Betty Boop]

FFS I could have improved the shambles he took over, when he actually achieves something substantial like promotion or a cup win we can fawn all over the silky winning football. Until such time its just more of the usual crap with a few good results thrown in.

And all this in the 2nd tier.

This

[Thecat23]

FFS I could have improved the shambles he took over, when he actually achieves something substantial like promotion or a cup win we can fawn all over the silky winning football. Until such time its just more of the usual crap with a few good results thrown in.

And all this in the 2nd tier.

Should have just got you in then.

[Pete]

Should have just got you in then.

I think there are people on here who genuinely believe that they could do a better job than Stubbs. Better subs, better formations, better decision making, better ways to run the dressing room etc...

Manchester United or Chelsea might find a hidden gem.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Total nonsense, IMO



Still not convinced that wouldn't prove counter-productive in the long run.

3 double-negatives in a sentence - that's got to be some kind of record ;)

[Hibernia&Alba]

3 double-negatives in a sentence - that's got to be some kind of record ;)

:greengrin

Possibly, aye, but I'm positive in my support for the manager :na na:

[Spike Mandela]

To be honest I don't think the board will have a decision to make.

For me, Stubbs has too much integrity and pride that if we don't get promoted for a second year he will resign anyway.

[hibsbollah]

I think there are people on here who genuinely believe that they could do a better job than Stubbs. Better subs, better formations, better decision making, better ways to run the dressing room etc...

Manchester United or Chelsea might find a hidden gem.

:agree:

Dear Hibs Net ,

The 352 doesn't work, why does he persevere with it?

The diamond formation doesn't work, why does he persevere with it?

Why are we hoofing the ball up to the strikers and bypassing midfield?

Why are we playing tippy happy stuff and not hoofing it up field?

Why did he bring Dagnall/Keatings/Boyle on when he should have brought Boyle/Dagnall/Keatings on?

Why can't he see what is obvious to me with the benefit of hindsight, a Xbox and an inflated sense of my own tactical acumen?

Yours faithfully,

A.N Erchie

[Ozyhibby]

I think there are people on here who genuinely believe that they could do a better job than Stubbs. Better subs, better formations, better decision making, better ways to run the dressing room etc...

Manchester United or Chelsea might find a hidden gem.

I know that I couldn't. I'm not even sure that I know exactly what the root of our problem is. We seem to have a squad full of good players but we can't score goals. I have no idea how to fix that. Luckily for everyone concerned, I'm not being paid to do so.
What I do know is that we do have a problem. I can see this in the stats. Despite being a full division below and playing against part time teams, we are scoring less goals per game than both Aberdeen and Hearts (2 similar sized clubs). Their managers have worked out how to score goals in the premiership and ours can't do it in the championship.
We can't keep blaming this on the mess Terry Butcher left. That was two years ago now. Only two players are left from that time. We also can't keep putting it down to him being a rookie manager as other rookie managers have done the job and if that was going to be a problem then he shouldn't have been hired.
This is Stubbs's problem and it's up to him to find the solution. If he can't solve the problem then we are right to question whether he is the right man for the job. We can't just keep accepting and excusing failure at this club. I keep hearing we are just about to turn the corner, personally I think the corner should have been turned by now.



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[Since90+2]

I know that I couldn't. I'm not even sure that I know exactly what the root of our problem is. We seem to have a squad full of good players but we can't score goals. I have no idea how to fix that. Luckily for everyone concerned, I'm not being paid to do so.
What I do know is that we do have a problem. I can see this in the stats. Despite being a full division below and playing against part time teams, we are scoring less goals per game than both Aberdeen and Hearts (2 similar sized clubs). Their managers have worked out how to score goals in the premiership and ours can't do it in the championship.
We can't keep blaming this on the mess Terry Butcher left. That was two years ago now. Only two players are left from that time. We also can't keep putting it down to him being a rookie manager as other rookie managers have done the job and if that was going to be a problem then he shouldn't have been hired.
This is Stubbs's problem and it's up to him to find the solution. If he can't solve the problem then we are right to question whether he is the right man for the job. We can't just keep accepting and excusing failure at this club. I keep hearing we are just about to turn the corner, personally I think the corner should have been turned by now.



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This.

Interesting that we are scoring less goals than Hearts and Aberdeen in a lower division. Shocking statistic.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I know that I couldn't. I'm not even sure that I know exactly what the root of our problem is. We seem to have a squad full of good players but we can't score goals. I have no idea how to fix that. Luckily for everyone concerned, I'm not being paid to do so.
What I do know is that we do have a problem. I can see this in the stats. Despite being a full division below and playing against part time teams, we are scoring less goals per game than both Aberdeen and Hearts (2 similar sized clubs). Their managers have worked out how to score goals in the premiership and ours can't do it in the championship.
We can't keep blaming this on the mess Terry Butcher left. That was two years ago now. Only two players are left from that time. We also can't keep putting it down to him being a rookie manager as other rookie managers have done the job and if that was going to be a problem then he shouldn't have been hired.
This is Stubbs's problem and it's up to him to find the solution. If he can't solve the problem then we are right to question whether he is the right man for the job. We can't just keep accepting and excusing failure at this club. I keep hearing we are just about to turn the corner, personally I think the corner should have been turned by now.



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These are reasonable concerns, no question, and I would never say everything is perfect. But if we finish second behind Rangers, wouldn't that be par for the course and evidence we have turned a corner? Wouldn't reaching a cup final and at least the quarters in the other cup be evidence we have turned a corner? Aren't the big improvements off the pitch evidence we have turned a corner?

We aren't yet where we should be, but isn't reasonable to say we're on the right path?

[Thecat23]

I will doff my cap to your knowledge - maybe the fact he had a clearer deck than some at the start gives me the impression he's had more, so fair point.

I am not ITK and know nothing about the football side but I don't believe it was a 'wind-up'. There was no need for it to be as there's a strong mutual respect between 'source' and 'MB poster'.

I'll admit it does sound slightly mad though and I only post now - several months after the conversation - as it's in context and it adds a little bit of potential insight to the debate which is what the MB is all about. It's my only 'scoop' (unless you count seagulls and pies)...so give me that least :wink:

Anyway, hope he makes all of this irrelevant over the next few weeks by winning handsomely.

I wasn't having a go at you btw, it was the info that for me just isn't true. Stubbs was doing well and it would have cost the club thousands of pounds to sack the whole coaching team.

Anyway I agree I hope we win tomorrow and get back to Hampden to make up for Sun.

[SeanWilson]

I know that I couldn't. I'm not even sure that I know exactly what the root of our problem is. We seem to have a squad full of good players but we can't score goals. I have no idea how to fix that. Luckily for everyone concerned, I'm not being paid to do so.
What I do know is that we do have a problem. I can see this in the stats. Despite being a full division below and playing against part time teams, we are scoring less goals per game than both Aberdeen and Hearts (2 similar sized clubs). Their managers have worked out how to score goals in the premiership and ours can't do it in the championship.
We can't keep blaming this on the mess Terry Butcher left. That was two years ago now. Only two players are left from that time. We also can't keep putting it down to him being a rookie manager as other rookie managers have done the job and if that was going to be a problem then he shouldn't have been hired.
This is Stubbs's problem and it's up to him to find the solution. If he can't solve the problem then we are right to question whether he is the right man for the job. We can't just keep accepting and excusing failure at this club. I keep hearing we are just about to turn the corner, personally I think the corner should have been turned by now.



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See the argument about our stats vs Aberdeen or Hearts, it's a fallacy.

We would absolutely score more goals in the top league, week in and out we have to play a team that comes to get a draw at best and for months we were managing to break it down and get the goal or two required. These past few weeks, we've had some injuries to key players, which have directly impacted our ability to impose ourselves in the pitch, lost a sucker punch goal and ended up chasing the game, leaving ourselves wide open for counter.

[Giro Playboy]

Considering the size of his budget if Stubbs doesn't get us promoted at the second time of asking I would like to think that the board would relieve him of his duties.
How many opportunities are you prepared to give him?

[J-C]

See the argument about our stats vs Aberdeen or Hearts, it's a fallacy.

We would absolutely score more goals in the top league, week in and out we have to play a team that comes to get a draw at best and for months we were managing to break it down and get the goal or two required. These past few weeks, we've had some injuries to key players, which have directly impacted our ability to impose ourselves in the pitch, lost a sucker punch goal and ended up chasing the game, leaving ourselves wide open for counter.


But this is where Stubbs is failing, every man and his dog can see the diamond only really works when other teams open up and have a go, something Ross County would normally do but they've seen that if you shut up shop and hit us on the break into the corners we're easily beaten.

[Ozyhibby]

See the argument about our stats vs Aberdeen or Hearts, it's a fallacy.

We would absolutely score more goals in the top league, week in and out we have to play a team that comes to get a draw at best and for months we were managing to break it down and get the goal or two required. These past few weeks, we've had some injuries to key players, which have directly impacted our ability to impose ourselves in the pitch, lost a sucker punch goal and ended up chasing the game, leaving ourselves wide open for counter.

That's a nonsense. Hearts last season and Rangers this are both banging in the goals in this league.
There is no way it is easier to score goals in the premiership than it is in the championship. That's just made up excuses for failure.


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[Since90+2]

See the argument about our stats vs Aberdeen or Hearts, it's a fallacy.

We would absolutely score more goals in the top league, week in and out we have to play a team that comes to get a draw at best and for months we were managing to break it down and get the goal or two required. These past few weeks, we've had some injuries to key players, which have directly impacted our ability to impose ourselves in the pitch, lost a sucker punch goal and ended up chasing the game, leaving ourselves wide open for counter.

Not a fallacy at all.

How did Hearts last season , and Rangers this season, manage to massively out score us playing against the same teams who also sit in and play for a draw against them?

[Giro Playboy]

I know that I couldn't. I'm not even sure that I know exactly what the root of our problem is. We seem to have a squad full of good players but we can't score goals. I have no idea how to fix that. Luckily for everyone concerned, I'm not being paid to do so.
What I do know is that we do have a problem. I can see this in the stats. Despite being a full division below and playing against part time teams, we are scoring less goals per game than both Aberdeen and Hearts (2 similar sized clubs). Their managers have worked out how to score goals in the premiership and ours can't do it in the championship.
We can't keep blaming this on the mess Terry Butcher left. That was two years ago now. Only two players are left from that time. We also can't keep putting it down to him being a rookie manager as other rookie managers have done the job and if that was going to be a problem then he shouldn't have been hired.
This is Stubbs's problem and it's up to him to find the solution. If he can't solve the problem then we are right to question whether he is the right man for the job. We can't just keep accepting and excusing failure at this club. I keep hearing we are just about to turn the corner, personally I think the corner should have been turned by now.



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk:top marks Well said. Some Hibs fans have got to take the blinkers off and accept that everything is not ''absolutely brilliant'' at Easter Road at the moment. There is serious problems on the playing front that need to be addressed. For a team to suddenly fall apart at the most critical part of the season is completely unacceptable

[SeanWilson]

That's a nonsense. Hearts last season and Rangers this are both banging in the goals in this league.
There is no way it is easier to score goals in the premiership than it is in the championship. That's just made up excuses for failure.


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No, it isn't. I'm not making up an excuse, it's clear to see that we have a better game against teams that try to beat us. If RC set up to beat us rather than counter us, we'd have won. FFS it's glaringly obvious that the likes of the Morton game was exactly what I'm talking about.

I'm not suggesting we aren't at fault for not changing our own game plan at times, however I absolutely believe we'd score more goals in the top league.

[SeanWilson]

Not a fallacy at all.

How did Hearts last season , and Rangers this season, manage to massively out score us playing against the same teams who also sit in and play for a draw against them?

the answer to that is clear, they play a direct, fast, strong, balls in to the box football. I'm not denying that.

What I am arguing is that we would 100% score more goals as a team in the top league.

[J-C]

the answer to that is clear, they play a direct, fast, strong, balls in to the box football. I'm not denying that.

What I am arguing is that we would 100% score more goals as a team in the top league.


Not necessarily though as all those teams in the SPFL would change tactics to counter our diamond, just like Ross C did on sunday.

[SeanWilson]

Not necessarily though as all those teams in the SPFL would change tactics to counter our diamond, just like Ross C did on sunday.

😝 Ok, yes, they may, however the fundamentals of my point is that we'd have a lot more game time with teams trying to play us in a football match. In this league, a lot of the time the tippy tappy neet football isn't what is required but when we play a team like Hearts or Rangers who want to beat us we look like we can score goals.

Again, I'm not suggesting we can't change our tactics for matches in this league to get the job done and I'm all for that happening, all im saying is our style of play would score more goals in the top league.

[The_Horde]

Dempster made massive mistake bringing in Stubbs.

There are clearly some far, far better and more knowledgeable managers on this Messageboard than Stubbs can ever dream to be.

It does, however, make me extremely excited for the future. Champions league success is a given!

[Since90+2]

Dempster made massive mistake bringing in Stubbs.

There are clearly some far, far better and more knowledgeable managers on this Messageboard than Stubbs can ever dream to be.

It does, however, make me extremely excited for the future. Champions league success is a given!

I know, who would have thought losing a cup final, as well as a recent capitulation of our league title challenge which has left us in 3rd place, would lead to some supporters on a messageboard questioning the managers formations and team selections.

[greenpaper55]

I think we can all take a defeat from decent teams as acceptable sometimes but to lose to Dumbarton twice, Morton and QOS and fail to beat Livi etc are the real problems. You will have to face up to the fact that we could be spending another year in this division at least, what's the excuse going to be next year-Dundee United running away with the league ! I fully expected Rangers to win the league this season but i also thought we would be the best of the rest by a mile and good enough to win promotion through the playoffs but this we are clearly not. Stubbs has to turn things round starting on Wed and get us into the play offs at the very least or the season has been a total failure.

[flash]

It's the peril of losing a last minute goal in a game you have largely dominated.
Thousands of people who were perfectly happy with all your decisions until the second that goal went in suddenly turn on you and pretend they were screaming for different formations and changes all along.
On such thin margins are heroes and zeroes created.

[Since90+2]

It's the peril of losing a last minute goal in a game you have largely dominated.
Thousands of people who were perfectly happy with all your decisions until the second that goal went in suddenly turn on you and pretend they were screaming for different formations and changes all along.
On such thin margins are heroes and zeroes created.

The lack of width in the diamond formation has been questioned now since the poor showing against Rangers in the play off last year. Rangers were utterly ***** last year but McCall was able to end our promotion hopes by setting up a system that totally negated any attacking threat we had as knew we would play the diamond.

This is not a new issue.

[flash]

Yet we still had more possession, corners and shots.
Maybe just one of those days?

[oneone73]

We can't keep blaming this on the mess Terry Butcher left. That was two years ago now. Only two players are left from that time.

To be picky, five: Hanlon, Stevenson, Thomson, Handling, and Cummings. And two of them missed penalties in the play-off.

[Thecat23]

I don't have a problem folk addressing Stubbs issues but please stop comparing us to what Hearts done last season ffs. They had a full squad and had prepared by playing the young lads for a season.

No chance were we or The Rangers winning it last year so give it a rest. This year The Rangers have a better squad that has done well and deserve to be top. We should be closer there is no doubt about it. But to keep hearing "But Hearts done this" is boring the life out me.

They were MILES ahead, again miles ahead and once more in case you aren't getting this... Miles ahead of Hibs and the shambles that we were when Stubbs took over. But hey loads on here could have turned it around eh because it's that easy.

[Since90+2]

I don't have a problem folk addressing Stubbs issues but please stop comparing us to what Hearts done last season ffs. They had a full squad and had prepared by playing the young lads for a season.

No chance were we or The Rangers winning it last year so give it a rest. This year The Rangers have a better squad that has done well and deserve to be top. We should be closer there is no doubt about it. But to keep hearing "But Hearts done this" is boring the life out me.

They were MILES ahead, again miles ahead and once more in case you aren't getting this... Miles ahead of Hibs and the shambles that we were when Stubbs took over. But hey loads on here could have turned it around eh because it's that easy.

Surely it's fine to compare Hearts last season and Hibs this season? Yes they had a full squad and a season to prepare but we have the exact same this season. The fact is we are miles behind where they were last season. Ignoring that fact is not going to get us anywhere.

Also why does this nonsense about folk claiming they could turn it around keep coming from? This is a football messageboard where people will come on and give their views and opinions on the team. That's the way it works.

[Giro Playboy]

I don't have a problem folk addressing Stubbs issues but please stop comparing us to what Hearts done last season ffs. They had a full squad and had prepared by playing the young lads for a season.

No chance were we or The Rangers winning it last year so give it a rest. This year The Rangers have a better squad that has done well and deserve to be top. We should be closer there is no doubt about it. But to keep hearing "But Hearts done this" is boring the life out me.

They were MILES ahead, again miles ahead and once more in case you aren't getting this... Miles ahead of Hibs and the shambles that we were when Stubbs took over. But hey loads on here could have turned it around eh because it's that easy. Hearts never had a better team than Hibs last season. That was proved in the derbies where Hibs were easily the better team in three of the four games. They strolled the league because Neilson and Levein very quickly worked out how to beat the teams who played 10 men behind the ball. Stubbs struggled with this the whole season and we lost a barrow load of points to these sort of teams while Hearts constantly ground out victories.

[matty_f]

Yet we still had more possession, corners and shots.
Maybe just one of those days?

How often is it one of those days though, and how often is it one if those days when teams set up against us like Ross County did, or Falkirk last year, or The Rangers in the play offs, or Morton, or Dumbarton, or Queen of the South, or Inverness?

When does it stop being one if those days and start becoming something that we (as in the club) need to influence and change?

I don't think it's unreasonable to ask the question. I agree it's fine margins, but if you are dominating games the way we are, it really shouldn't be left to the chance of fine margins.

[SeanWilson]

Surely it's fine to compare Hearts last season and Hibs this season? Yes they had a full squad and a season to prepare but we have the exact same this season. The fact is we are miles behind where they were last season. Ignoring that fact is not going to get us anywhere.

You're missing his point. Yams were absolutely ready to win that league last year, we and rangers were not. You cannot compare apples with oranges. It has absolutely no bearing on our level of success to suggest we are rubbish cause we are miles behind where hearts were last year. We have another set of circumstances to deal with this year, yes we have had a team together for over a year and some additions but we are also up against a league of teams who have had the opportunity to play us already, we are up against a much much stronger, well organised rangers team with their arrogance back and if you blank out the last couple of weeks and the very start of the season, we've done very, very well.

[flash]

How often is it one of those days though, and how often is it one if those days when teams set up against us like Ross County did, or Falkirk last year, or The Rangers in the play offs, or Morton, or Dumbarton, or Queen of the South, or Inverness?

When does it stop being one if those days and start becoming something that we (as in the club) need to influence and change?

I don't think it's unreasonable to ask the question. I agree it's fine margins, but if you are dominating games the way we are, it really shouldn't be left to the chance of fine margins.

Well you have listed practically every single one of our defeats there and rather bizarrely a draw against a strong ICT so that's how often it is.

[Ozyhibby]

You're missing his point. Yams were absolutely ready to win that league last year, we and rangers were not. You cannot compare apples with oranges. It has absolutely no bearing on our level of success to suggest we are rubbish cause we are miles behind where hearts were last year. We have another set of circumstances to deal with this year, yes we have had a team together for over a year and some additions but we are also up against a league of teams who have had the opportunity to play us already, we are up against a much much stronger, well organised rangers team with their arrogance back and if you blank out the last couple of weeks and the very start of the season, we've done very, very well.

If you blank out our defeats we have done very well? [emoji23]


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[Scottie]

Surely it's fine to compare Hearts last season and Hibs this season? Yes they had a full squad and a season to prepare but we have the exact same this season. The fact is we are miles behind where they were last season. Ignoring that fact is not going to get us anywhere.

Also why does this nonsense about folk claiming they could turn it around keep coming from? This is a football messageboard where people will come on and give their views and opinions on the team. That's the way it works.
:top marks Stubbs has had nearly 2 years to get us to where we need to be but his decisions or lack of them when needed is questionable. Think how many young players have been farmed out this season alone that could have been getting the so called experience that the young Hearts players were the season before last.

[matty_f]

Well you have listed practically every single one of our defeats there and rather bizarrely a draw against a strong ICT so that's how often it is.

When does it stop being 'one of those days' and start becoming an issue we need to adapt to?

The reason ICT were included was because we again failed to win a match we dominated because we conceded to an opponent who scored with one if their very rare attacks. I don't think it was bizarre to include that at all.

[SeanWilson]

I'd be interested to see what all the Stubbs is pish party were bashing in to the keyboards prior to the 24th of February.

[EH54]

Well you have listed practically every single one of our defeats there and rather bizarrely a draw against a strong ICT so that's how often it is.


Its became a lot more often in the past few weeks though which makes it a problem and course the ICT game should be added we dominated the game and didn't finish them of another one of those games.. something that has became a lot more familiar over the past 2 weeks which has cost us our chances of automatic promotion and a trophy.

[DH1875]

I don't have a problem folk addressing Stubbs issues but please stop comparing us to what Hearts done last season ffs. They had a full squad and had prepared by playing the young lads for a season.

No chance were we or The Rangers winning it last year so give it a rest. This year The Rangers have a better squad that has done well and deserve to be top. We should be closer there is no doubt about it. But to keep hearing "But Hearts done this" is boring the life out me.

They were MILES ahead, again miles ahead and once more in case you aren't getting this... Miles ahead of Hibs and the shambles that we were when Stubbs took over. But hey loads on here could have turned it around eh because it's that easy.

Your 100% spot on. We shouldn't be looking at Rangers or Hearts. We should however be looking at Falkirk and Raith Rovers though. If either team knocks us out of the playoffs then I'm sorry but fans will have every right to question Stubbs staying on as manager.
For what it's worth, despite playing more games in this league, Falkirk have lost less games, had less goals scored against them and have scored more goals than us.

[EH54]

I'd be interested to see what all the Stubbs is pish party were bashing in to the keyboards prior to the 24th of February.


I don't think he's pish but i also don't think he shouldn't come under criticism. or questions shouldn't be raised about his selections or tactics

[SeanWilson]

I don't think he's pish but i also don't think he shouldn't come under criticism or questions shouldn't be raised about his selections or tactics

Of course he should. Its just the usual fickle nature of the football fan... 'we're amazing, what a great run of results, don't worry about the points gap, we'll turn it round blah blah'.... 'we're *****, no idea what the manager is doing, we should be doing this, we should be doing that'.... BTW i'm as guilty as anyone in this....

[Alfred E Newman]

It's the peril of losing a last minute goal in a game you have largely dominated.
Thousands of people who were perfectly happy with all your decisions until the second that goal went in suddenly turn on you and pretend they were screaming for different formations and changes all along.
On such thin margins are heroes and zeroes created.

Yip. If the County defence had cocked up in the last minute instead of ours Stubbs would have attained legendary status.

[Thecat23]

Your 100% spot on. We shouldn't be looking at Rangers or Hearts. We should however be looking at Falkirk and Raith Rovers though. If either team knocks us out of the playoffs then I'm sorry but fans will have every right to question Stubbs staying on as manager.
For what it's worth, despite playing more games in this league, Falkirk have lost less games, had less goals scored against them and have scored more goals than us.

I agree I'll be questioning the way we do it too. Would I sack him though nope.

The poster who has said he should be sacked if we lose tomorrow is tuned to the moon.

[Andy74]

Yip. If the County defence had cocked up in the last minute instead of ours Stubbs would have attained legendary status.

They didn't though and if you look over the season our rivals are scoring more goals and conceding less than we are.

We've lost double the amount of league games Falkirk have. So, dominating possession and not winning the game isn't just one unlucky occurance.

[Ozyhibby]

I'd be interested to see what all the Stubbs is pish party were bashing in to the keyboards prior to the 24th of February.

If you like you can search back the way on this board and find lots of threads posted before the 24th Feb questioning our lack of goals and asking why we were having to work so hard for each result. This isn't something that has just come up. It was highlighted by many during the summer that we would need to score more goals this year.
This is a legitimate concern that has been raised over a number of months by many on this board and if you haven't noticed I suggest that maybe you haven't been paying attention.


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[Ozyhibby]

I agree I'll be questioning the way we do it too. Would I sack him though nope.

The poster who has said he should be sacked if we lose tomorrow is tuned to the moon.

I think only one poster has suggested he be sacked now and I agree that is crazy talk. He'll be here till the end of the season now. At that point, whether we are promoted or not, questions will need to be asked about our inability to score goals. That will remain private between the board and Stubbs but how he answers those questions should determine whether he keeps his job.


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[SeanWilson]

If you like you can search back the way on this board and find lots of threads posted before the 24th Feb questioning our lack of goals and asking why we were having to work so hard for each result. This isn't something that has just come up. It was highlighted by many during the summer that we would need to score more goals this year.
This is a legitimate concern that has been raised over a number of months by many on this board and if you haven't noticed I suggest that maybe you haven't been paying attention.


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Quite possibly. I was an avid reader of this forum for years and only in recent times decided i'd start to throw my tuppence in... The majority of the last year has been positive chat on here and while many may have questioned tactics or lack of goals previously, i cant imagine anyone was calling the manager in to question or as far as saying he needs punted prior to the 24th. If you look at our results up against Falkirk's over the course, we are the better team. We had three very dissapointing defeats (in he league), should have beat ICT and should have beat RC. I knows its should have, could have chat but we really are not as bad as you are making out.

[southern hibby]

It's the peril of losing a last minute goal in a game you have largely dominated.
Thousands of people who were perfectly happy with all your decisions until the second that goal went in suddenly turn on you and pretend they were screaming for different formations and changes all along.
On such thin margins are heroes and zeroes created.

I was not happy with Thompson going off for a striker to come on. From 70-75 min Ross County ran at us and we allowed them more space to do so.

Trust me I want Stubbs to succeed more than you can imagine, however he needs to start addressing his failures making the same mistakes without addressing them.
At what point do we say enough is enough or do we allow to sit back and not try and address these issues. I was under the impression this is what this message board was for to air or view whether we agree with it or not is a different story.

GGTTH

[E10 Rifle]

I wasn't having a go at you btw, it was the info that for me just isn't true. Stubbs was doing well and it would have cost the club thousands of pounds to sack the whole coaching team.

Anyway I agree I hope we win tomorrow and get back to Hampden to make up for Sun.

We're all good, I didn't think you or anyone else was having a go - it's just giving opinions to what is a somewhat strange bit of potential insight I agree.

:flag:

[Thecat23]

I think only one poster has suggested he be sacked now and I agree that is crazy talk. He'll be here till the end of the season now. At that point, whether we are promoted or not, questions will need to be asked about our inability to score goals. That will remain private between the board and Stubbs but how he answers those questions should determine whether he keeps his job.


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If we go up via play offs there should be no meeting. We seem to score goals against teams in the top flight as they attack us more. County sat in like a few championship teams have done and it worked for them.

That's what he needs to address, how to make a sub at the right time and start adding pace to the side.

[BarneyK]

They didn't though and if you look over the season our rivals are scoring more goals and conceding less than we are.

We've lost double the amount of league games Falkirk have. So, dominating possession and not winning the game isn't just one unlucky occurance.
We have our problems no doubt but doesn't that very stat suggest that Falkirk are finding it even harder turning a draw into a win? In fact, looking at the table it seems they have drawn a third of their league matches this season.

[Heisenberg]

If we go up via play offs there should be no meeting. We seem to score goals against teams in the top flight as they attack us more. County sat in like a few championship teams have done and it worked for them.

That's what he needs to address, how to make a sub at the right time and start adding pace to the side.

He needed to address that at the end of last season as well though....

[J-C]

A few points to be made.

1. Stubbs and his substitutions were questioned last season and most of this season too, still no change.

2. A huge majority of people on this board said pace and width was what we lacked and needed addressed, this wasn't and we are again struggling to break down 10 men defences.

3. We lacked enough goals last season but again this season we're doing the same averaging just over 1.5 goals per game, whereas Rangers are scoring just under 3 goals per game, enough said.

4. Stubbs has still to address the majority of last season's problems, we have a handful of games left to be played, miles behind Rangers, fighting it out with Falkirk and some people are wondering why a lot of us guys are questioning Stubbs and the job he's doing. Out of the 6 of us at the game on sunday 3 of those guys are now beginning to have second thoughts on renewing their season tickets, the thought of playing all these teams again in this league is not something to entice you to renew, these guys have had season tickets for many many years too.

[Andy74]

We have our problems no doubt but doesn't that very stat suggest that Falkirk are finding it even harder turning a draw into a win? In fact, looking at the table it seems they have drawn a third of their league matches this season.

Yes that's true. Doing okay for their budget though I think.

[yekimevol]

Stayed off .net till today didnt want to rant to much. I thought the lads played ok for the most part, Big Bartley was my man of the match but the one person I had the most issues with was Stubbs, which shocked me as Im a massive fan of the work he was done since arriving.

- Longs balls to JC and stokes that the center backs won 99% of the time.
- Failing to react to county in the second half felt they starts really threatening us down the wings.
- Not being proactive and attempting to change the game with his subs look at McIntyre with Graham, Murdoch and Franks coming on trying to change the game in his teams favour ! Farid might have won some of the long balls, Boyle on earlier might have stretched there defence a bit with his pace .... there were options on the bench.

Rant over :P

[Captain Trips]

I'd be interested to see what all the Stubbs is pish party were bashing in to the keyboards prior to the 24th of February.

As interesting as what folk were saying about what Duff Jimmy was doing when he had as flying for a couple of months. What relevance is this? We have chucked away the League in a matter of about 10 days. I haven't seen anyone say Stubbs is pish anyways. Kind of Like Thomson was good against Hearts so all else since matters not.

[Winston Ingram]

Is there a large amount of fans who think Stubbs should go? I don't think he should but are there really people calling for his head?

I don't think he's doing a very good job but i see no point in binning him at this stage. Even though he's struggling to get a performance out of them, the players appear to like him so i can't see us getting the performance bounce that often comes with a change.

The squad structure, our tactics, our lack of pace and width, our fitness, the teams desire, his inability to make a change or learn from his mistakes and his budget mind games infuriate me.

He's achieved very little. We're out the title race in pish league by March yet again. I wouldn't be at all disappointed if he wasn't our manager next year.

If he fails to get us up i think he has to go.

[SeanWilson]

As interesting as what folk were saying about what Duff Jimmy was doing when he had as flying for a couple of months. What relevance is this? We have chucked away the League in a matter of about 10 days. I haven't seen anyone say Stubbs is pish anyways. Kind of Like Thomson was good against Hearts so all else since matters not.

Not sure what point you're getting at here. The relevance is that its a ridiculously fickle attitude to have, the majority of people who are now questioning his ability to manage this team were likely waxing lyrical a few weeks back....

Its also nothing like anything regarding KT.

Bottom line is, this team over the course, have played exceptionally well, winning a lot of football matches. We went in to a game under the lights against Morton and chased the game following a daft goal and got pumped, we then suffered a huge hangover for Dumbarton, we should have been 3 or 4 up by half time but found ourselves in 2 down at half time and lost a rank goal after the break. We still could have won that match in the second half alone. We battered QOTS and lost again. We played well against ICT and we played pretty well against RC on Sunday. The season has gone of the rails but its very fine margins.

We go up to Inverness tomorrow and win then beat Raith at the weekend and life as a hibee is a little less depressing.

[Lago]

Stubbs is a young manager learning his trade and in time I am sure he will be a successful manger, in a way it's unfortunate for Hibs he is learning his trade at ER.

[LancashireHibby]

He will inevitably be mentioned in line for the Bolton job now that Lennon has finally been punted. To say appointing Stubbs would polarise opinion is an understatement to say the least.

[hibeerealist]

No, it isn't. I'm not making up an excuse, it's clear to see that we have a better game against teams that try to beat us. If RC set up to beat us rather than counter us, we'd have won. FFS it's glaringly obvious that the likes of the Morton game was exactly what I'm talking about.

I'm not suggesting we aren't at fault for not changing our own game plan at times, however I absolutely believe we'd score more goals in the top league.

Dreaming!!!

[eastmainsmsh]

I wonder if schteve mclaren is good at the leith accent lol

[SeanWilson]

Dreaming!!!

Thanks for the constructive point you make there pal.

Let me illustrate mine:

Hibernian 2-0 Aberdeen
Hibernian 3-0 Dundee Utd
Hibernian 2-1 St Johnstone
Hearts 2-2 Hibernian
Hibernian 1-0 Hearts
Hibernian 1-2 Ross County

[Onion]

He will inevitably be mentioned in line for the Bolton job now that Lennon has finally been punted. To say appointing Stubbs would polarise opinion is an understatement to say the least.

Last 2 weeks has dented Stubbs stock. Before that, he would have been a strong contender for Bolton, but now ??

Whoever takes him on will know he has an eye for a player and has put together a strong squad at Hibs, won some very big games (LC Semi, Yam SC, Sevco at ER) and built decent team spirit at ER, but has also failed to maintain that when it really mattered : loss to a poor Sevco side in last year's POs, losing LCF to a very average RC, loss of the crucial Sevco match at Hunbrox, 3 successive, poor league defeats that's killed off our title chances. With that record, I'd be astonished if a big club came in for him just now.

[Winston Ingram]

He will inevitably be mentioned in line for the Bolton job now that Lennon has finally been punted. To say appointing Stubbs would polarise opinion is an understatement to say the least.

i don't think he parted on the best of terms when he left for Celtic.

Given Stubbs record, it'd be an incredible decision to chuck him in at Bolton.

[Winston Ingram]

No, it isn't. I'm not making up an excuse, it's clear to see that we have a better game against teams that try to beat us. If RC set up to beat us rather than counter us, we'd have won. FFS it's glaringly obvious that the likes of the Morton game was exactly what I'm talking about.

I'm not suggesting we aren't at fault for not changing our own game plan at times, however I absolutely believe we'd score more goals in the top league.

I agree with all of this. The problem we have is most teams who come to ER in this league have little intention of doing so and are here for a draw.

His tactics for this league do not work.

[ancient hibee]

i don't think he parted on the best of terms when he left for Celtic.

Given Stubbs record, it'd be an incredible decision to chuck him in at Bolton.


It would also be an incredible decision for Stubbs to take it.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Dreaming!!!

Hows that then? .... we have played 7 times against PL opposition this season, all of them apart from Utd in the top 6 and scored in every game.

[Smartie]

If presented with the opportunity I think Stubbs would be off to Bolton like a shot.

[Hibernia&Alba]

If presented with the opportunity I think Stubbs would be off to Bolton like a shot.

A soon to be third tier English club that has been on the brink of extinction very recently.....why? Green tinted specs on, but I'd take Hibs any day.

[SeanWilson]

If presented with the opportunity I think Stubbs would be off to Bolton like a shot.

Not for me, he strikes me as a man with far more integrity. I think he'll be there with bells on when we win the Scottish and pump Kilmarnock in the play off's :wink:

[hibeerealist]

Thanks for the constructive point you make there pal.

Let me illustrate mine:

Hibernian 2-0 Aberdeen
Hibernian 3-0 Dundee Utd
Hibernian 2-1 St Johnstone
Hearts 2-2 Hibernian
Hibernian 1-0 Hearts
Hibernian 1-2 Ross County

So Ross County, Hamilton, Killie, St Johnstone, Partick are all going to come to ER and attack us then????!!! Aye we will score more against their packed defences tan we do against Livi, Morton, Falkirk, QOS etc YOU ARE DREAMING PAL!!!!

[SeanWilson]

So Ross County, Hamilton, Killie, St Johnstone, Partick are all going to come to ER and attack us then????!!! Aye we will score more against their packed defences tan we do against Livi, Morton, Falkirk, QOS etc YOU ARE DREAMING PAL!!!!

I can assure you i am not dreaming. Perhaps you want to change your tact?

SOMTIMES I ALSO USE CAPITAL LETTERS TO MAKE A POINT. :rolleyes::na na:

[Thecat23]

So Ross County, Hamilton, Killie, St Johnstone, Partick are all going to come to ER and attack us then????!!! Aye we will score more against their packed defences tan we do against Livi, Morton, Falkirk, QOS etc YOU ARE DREAMING PAL!!!!

Surely it's Oxley's fault?

[SeanWilson]

Surely it's Oxley's fault?

I'm actually currently having a dream about that public apology for not being at fault for the goals....

[sadtom]

Not sure if its just cause i'm getting older but one of the things that does my nut in more than ever is having to listen to armchair coaches, at the game and one here, talking some amount of utter keech.
We have a decent coaching team and they are still learning, they are not perfect but if they were, they wouldn't be here. They have a decent philosophy on how to play, one of the strongest squads for decades due to good signings, have created an excellent team spirit and are a fair bit easier on the eye than the last few years.
On a number of occasions we've shown the bottle and determination that has been missing in previous times but still would appear to be a work in progress.
We have no divine right to win anything or against anybody.
No matter the outcome this season we seem to be heading in the right direction after several years of going backwards.
Some folk wont be happy until we have a Calderclown on Butcher back at the helm.

So to all the frustrated Fergies, and other assorted nuggets out there. Away and take a school team/youth side, do yer badges, learn how to do it then chuck yer hat in the ring.
Until then.....shut the front door.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i found this quite interesting from ross co manager

Jim McIntyre opted to line his side up in a 3-5-2 shape that they had not used before this season, but which the coaching staff had seen other sides use well against Hibs this season.

[Thecat23]

I'm actually currently having a dream about that public apology for not being at fault for the goals....

Me too, funny how he's not replied to any of the posts in his thread.

[Smartie]

Not for me, he strikes me as a man with far more integrity. I think he'll be there with bells on when we win the Scottish and pump Kilmarnock in the play off's :wink:

Hmmmm.

Ask Bolton and Everton fans about his integrity.

He might see the writing on the wall with us - we get knocked out on Wednesday and he fails to get us promoted - how employable will he be then?

They're much closer to his family, he could stay at home.

It's also a challenge of rebuilding a club - a bit similar to what he did with us. They are also potentially a premiership club, it might be his easiest way to get there.

They're also a club that he has an emotional tie to and probably a relationship he would like to improve as he left under a cloud before.

He'll be at a Scottish Cup tie tomorrow night in the frozen North in front of 3 men and a dog. If his first club in senior football come calling I'm sure he'll at least look in their sweetie bag and see what they're offering.

[SeanWilson]

Not sure if its just cause i'm getting older but one of the things that does my nut in more than ever is having to listen to armchair coaches, at the game and one here, talking some amount of utter keech.
We have a decent coaching team and they are still learning, they are not perfect but if they were, they wouldn't be here. They have a decent philosophy on how to play, one of the strongest squads for decades due to good signings, have created an excellent team spirit and are a fair bit easier on the eye than the last few years.
On a number of occasions we've shown the bottle and determination that has been missing in previous times but still would appear to be a work in progress.
We have no divine right to win anything or against anybody.
No matter the outcome this season we seem to be heading in the right direction after several years of going backwards.
Some folk wont be happy until we have a Calderclown on Butcher back at the helm.

So to all the frustrated Fergies, and other assorted nuggets out there. Away and take a school team/youth side, do yer badges, learn how to do it then chuck yer hat in the ring.
Until then.....shut the front door.
:top marks

[SeanWilson]

He'll be at a Scottish Cup tie tomorrow night in the frozen North in front of 3 men and a dog. If his first club in senior football come calling I'm sure he'll at least look in their sweetie bag and see what they're offering.

:greengrin:greengrin

[Smartie]

Not sure if its just cause i'm getting older but one of the things that does my nut in more than ever is having to listen to armchair coaches, at the game and one here, talking some amount of utter keech.
We have a decent coaching team and they are still learning, they are not perfect but if they were, they wouldn't be here. They have a decent philosophy on how to play, one of the strongest squads for decades due to good signings, have created an excellent team spirit and are a fair bit easier on the eye than the last few years.
On a number of occasions we've shown the bottle and determination that has been missing in previous times but still would appear to be a work in progress.
We have no divine right to win anything or against anybody.
No matter the outcome this season we seem to be heading in the right direction after several years of going backwards.
Some folk wont be happy until we have a Calderclown on Butcher back at the helm.

So to all the frustrated Fergies, and other assorted nuggets out there. Away and take a school team/youth side, do yer badges, learn how to do it then chuck yer hat in the ring.
Until then.....shut the front door.

This place will be awfy quiet if we do.

[Captain Trips]

Not sure what point you're getting at here. The relevance is that its a ridiculously fickle attitude to have, the majority of people who are now questioning his ability to manage this team were likely waxing lyrical a few weeks back....

Its also nothing like anything regarding KT.

Bottom line is, this team over the course, have played exceptionally well, winning a lot of football matches. We went in to a game under the lights against Morton and chased the game following a daft goal and got pumped, we then suffered a huge hangover for Dumbarton, we should have been 3 or 4 up by half time but found ourselves in 2 down at half time and lost a rank goal after the break. We still could have won that match in the second half alone. We battered QOTS and lost again. We played well against ICT and we played pretty well against RC on Sunday. The season has gone of the rails but its very fine margins.

We go up to Inverness tomorrow and win then beat Raith at the weekend and life as a hibee is a little less depressing.

So what if we were waxing lyrical? We were 5pts behind Rangers at the time, we have since blew it through largely not taking chances something we have not addressed in a long time.

It is same as KT it seemed he was above criticism due to Hearts game, 14pts is not a fine margin our gap between Falkirk is, we run risk of not finishing 2nd. Nothing fickel about.

[Captain Trips]

Not sure what point you're getting at here. The relevance is that its a ridiculously fickle attitude to have, the majority of people who are now questioning his ability to manage this team were likely waxing lyrical a few weeks back....

Its also nothing like anything regarding KT.

Bottom line is, this team over the course, have played exceptionally well, winning a lot of football matches. We went in to a game under the lights against Morton and chased the game following a daft goal and got pumped, we then suffered a huge hangover for Dumbarton, we should have been 3 or 4 up by half time but found ourselves in 2 down at half time and lost a rank goal after the break. We still could have won that match in the second half alone. We battered QOTS and lost again. We played well against ICT and we played pretty well against RC on Sunday. The season has gone of the rails but its very fine margins.

We go up to Inverness tomorrow and win then beat Raith at the weekend and life as a hibee is a little less depressing.

So what if we were waxing lyrical? We were 5pts behind Rangers at the time, we have since blew it through largely not taking chances something we have not addressed in a long time.

It is same as KT it seemed he was above criticism due to Hearts game, 14pts is not a fine margin our gap between Falkirk is, we run risk of not finishing 2nd. Nothing fickel about it.

[Pete]

This place will be awfy quiet if we do.

To be honest I'd rather it was.

[BSEJVT]

Not sure if its just cause i'm getting older but one of the things that does my nut in more than ever is having to listen to armchair coaches, at the game and one here, talking some amount of utter keech.
We have a decent coaching team and they are still learning, they are not perfect but if they were, they wouldn't be here. They have a decent philosophy on how to play, one of the strongest squads for decades due to good signings, have created an excellent team spirit and are a fair bit easier on the eye than the last few years.
On a number of occasions we've shown the bottle and determination that has been missing in previous times but still would appear to be a work in progress.
We have no divine right to win anything or against anybody.
No matter the outcome this season we seem to be heading in the right direction after several years of going backwards.
Some folk wont be happy until we have a Calderclown on Butcher back at the helm.

So to all the frustrated Fergies, and other assorted nuggets out there. Away and take a school team/youth side, do yer badges, learn how to do it then chuck yer hat in the ring.
Until then.....shut the front door.

Thanks for your permission sad tom, many of us have done as you suggested and did those things, although why that would give us a right to comment or not, different from the one you have exercised you will need to explain to me.

I take I don't need to ask whether you have also done those things as you wouldn't have commented otherwise surely?

You are a bit of a contradiction aren't you? So someone else's opinion is keech and you are the fountain of all knowledge?

By whose proclamation?

The day folk, whether they know everything or nothing, decide to stop debating football in its many facets including tactics is the day that it will die.

I will admit that the debate gets a bit polarised at times and I will further admit I am as guilty as anyone in that regard, but if folk aren't interested enough to do that then heaven help us.

I don't see many folk calling for Stubbs head now, I see folk asking relevant questions, so your comment about returning to the relics of the past is misplaced.

They or I don't need your or anyone's permission to do so, you have a choice if you don't like what they write or don't agree, ask them or challenge them on it, or even ignore them.

I would much rather debate the point with someone energised enough, prepared and capable to do so than to deal with the increasing number of day trippers for whom going to support their team is as about as relevant as whether Leonardo Di Caprio or Tom Hanks is the actor in the film they are going to, or whether its a cartoon or a feature film.

Going to see Hibs in a final isn't a good day out. The whole point of the thing is to watch them win the cup or metaphorically speaking die trying. Any result short of them winning the cup is a total disaster.

If I wanted a good day out it would be with my mates and maybe our wives, it wouldn't be somewhere that took a combined 7 hours on a flippin bus.

[silverhibee]

To be honest I'd rather it was.

Still have me, I've got the badges. :greengrin

[silverhibee]

Stubbs coming on STV to talk about off form Stokes.

[keep the faith]

As interesting as what folk were saying about what Duff Jimmy was doing when he had as flying for a couple of months. What relevance is this? We have chucked away the League in a matter of about 10 days. I haven't seen anyone say Stubbs is pish anyways. Kind of Like Thomson was good against Hearts so all else since matters not.

Prior to your absence from the forum you spent a huge amount t of time attacking KT over the years so this opportunity will be irresistible I'm sure.

Hibs have been brilliant this season and the club a joy to be involved with. We were unfortunate on Sunday and its a sore one but at times like this we pull together and put a context on things.
Keep the faith

[The_Horde]

Prior to your absence from the forum you spent a huge amount t of time attacking KT over the years so this opportunity will be irresistible I'm sure.

Hibs have been brilliant this season and the club a joy to be involved with. We were unfortunate on Sunday and its a sore one but at times like this we pull together and put a context on things.
Keep the faith

Well. 8-10,000 of us will. Not sure about the others, the day trippers and glory hunters. Otherwise known as our knowledgable future managers.

[21.05.2016]

Not sure if its just cause i'm getting older but one of the things that does my nut in more than ever is having to listen to armchair coaches, at the game and one here, talking some amount of utter keech.
We have a decent coaching team and they are still learning, they are not perfect but if they were, they wouldn't be here. They have a decent philosophy on how to play, one of the strongest squads for decades due to good signings, have created an excellent team spirit and are a fair bit easier on the eye than the last few years.
On a number of occasions we've shown the bottle and determination that has been missing in previous times but still would appear to be a work in progress.
We have no divine right to win anything or against anybody.
No matter the outcome this season we seem to be heading in the right direction after several years of going backwards.
Some folk wont be happy until we have a Calderclown on Butcher back at the helm.

So to all the frustrated Fergies, and other assorted nuggets out there. Away and take a school team/youth side, do yer badges, learn how to do it then chuck yer hat in the ring.
Until then.....shut the front door.

Good post.

[keep the faith]

Well. 8-10,000 of us will. Not sure about the others, the day trippers and glory hunters. Otherwise known as our knowledgable future managers.

Agreed mate, but some of the stuff on here is beyond belief at the moment. Can see me coming on here less and less and let the bedwetters just take over.

[SeanWilson]

So what if we were waxing lyrical? We were 5pts behind Rangers at the time, we have since blew it through largely not taking chances something we have not addressed in a long time.

It is same as KT it seemed he was above criticism due to Hearts game, 14pts is not a fine margin our gap between Falkirk is, we run risk of not finishing 2nd. Nothing fickel about it.

Again, you're just looking for an argument that isn't there. To one week proclaim the messiah and call for his head the following is just a little bit fickle.

I'm not sure what you're on about with KT? Who said he was above criticism?

With regards to the fine margins, you know fine well what I meant.

[blackpoolhibs]

Prior to your absence from the forum you spent a huge amount t of time attacking KT over the years so this opportunity will be irresistible I'm sure.

Hibs have been brilliant this season and the club a joy to be involved with. We were unfortunate on Sunday and its a sore one but at times like this we pull together and put a context on things.
Keep the faith

Hibs have as usual been decent and had a few very good results, but as usual so far they have been a let down in a very much far from brilliant season in the 2nd tier of the backwater of Scottish football.

[PISTOL1875]

Prior to your absence from the forum you spent a huge amount t of time attacking KT over the years so this opportunity will be irresistible I'm sure.

Hibs have been brilliant this season and the club a joy to be involved with. We were unfortunate on Sunday and its a sore one but at times like this we pull together and put a context on things.
Keep the faith

i am sorry mate but you are way off the mark there..

[keep the faith]

i am sorry mate but you are way off the mark there..

Depends what you want. This season we have bought well, played uninhibited football, saw players care about the club again, go on a free flowing unbeaten run, stare down rangers over Scott Allan, sell the ground out and beat hearts and get to a cup final. On course for the play offs, a Scottish cup quarter final and a connected club and fan base again.
That's brilliant for me thanks and a couple of mistakes don't change that. My club are back.

[ancient hibee]

Wednesday prior to Scotland versus Ireland 1960s Daily Express headline LAW IS KING


Thursday after Scotland versus Ireland 1960s Daily Express headline LAW MUST GO.

[Hermit Crab]

Sacking our manager is really what we need to right now isn't it......? :rolleyes: Unbelievable some of these posts.

[MinceAndTatties]

I think we can all agree that Stubbs has got us playing more attractive football but he has failed to address certain key weaknesses. There is a lack of pace in the squad. Boyle is the only player who is a threat going behind the defence. This means that teams can afford to play a higher line and squeeze the space in which Henderson and McGinn like to play.
Farid is the only striker capable of winning balls in the air. He was brought on far too late against Rangers in the play-offs but immediately caused problems for them.
He could have caused problems for Ross County.
There has always been a lack of physicality in Hibs squad, partly addressed by acquiring Bartley but his absence against Morton and playing KT instead, showed how easily we could be bullied without him.
The January transfer window has left us top heavy with strikers and not enough midfielders as shown by the need to call upon KT. We have swopped a good striker in Malonga for an unfit Stokes whose attitude and big-time billy attitude may be causing problems. Has anyone else noticed how he seem to think it is his god-given right to take free-kicks.
Stubbs seems to lack any tactical flexibility in not changing the diamond unless forced to through injury. We seemed better balanced against ICT when Dylan went off and we reverted to a back 3.
I see scant evidence that we know how to take advantage of free-kicks or corners which we seem to win plenty of. No signs of clever rehearsed moves.

We need to get promoted and need to adapt our play accordingly. It's all very well having possession but as much more talented teams like Arsenal are finding out, havein possession and "control" is not enough to deliver success.

[emerald green]

I think we can all agree that Stubbs has got us playing more attractive football but he has failed to address certain key weaknesses. There is a lack of pace in the squad. Boyle is the only player who is a threat going behind the defence. This means that teams can afford to play a higher line and squeeze the space in which Henderson and McGinn like to play.
Farid is the only striker capable of winning balls in the air. He was brought on far too late against Rangers in the play-offs but immediately caused problems for them.
He could have caused problems for Ross County.
There has always been a lack of physicality in Hibs squad, partly addressed by acquiring Bartley but his absence against Morton and playing KT instead, showed how easily we could be bullied without him.
The January transfer window has left us top heavy with strikers and not enough midfielders as shown by the need to call upon KT. We have swopped a good striker in Malonga for an unfit Stokes whose attitude and big-time billy attitude may be causing problems. Has anyone else noticed how he seem to think it is his god-given right to take free-kicks.
Stubbs seems to lack any tactical flexibility in not changing the diamond unless forced to through injury. We seemed better balanced against ICT when Dylan went off and we reverted to a back 3.
I see scant evidence that we know how to take advantage of free-kicks or corners which we seem to win plenty of. No signs of clever rehearsed moves.

We need to get promoted and need to adapt our play accordingly. It's all very well having possession but as much more talented teams like Arsenal are finding out, havein possession and "control" is not enough to deliver success.

A lot of good sensible points in this post, and just because I say that it is NOT an attack on AS.

[Lago]

Hibs have as usual been decent and had a few very good results, but as usual so far they have been a let down in a very much far from brilliant season in the 2nd tier of the backwater of Scottish football.
Don't always agree with you, but your correct in this case, failure to secure promotion just not acceptable and the signs not looking good at the moment.

[Captain Trips]

Prior to your absence from the forum you spent a huge amount t of time attacking KT over the years so this opportunity will be irresistible I'm sure.

Hibs have been brilliant this season and the club a joy to be involved with. We were unfortunate on Sunday and its a sore one but at times like this we pull together and put a context on things.
Keep the faith

I am keeping context I wouldnt say we have been brilliant this season we have been brilliant and good in patches, if with this squad we had been brilliant Falkirk would and should be out of sight and Rangers wouldnt be smoking Cigars with weeks to go.

The context is we have built on paper a damn good squad in the 2nd tier of Scottish football and we are not pushing right to the death for 1st in fact we are in a battle for 2nd, thats the context. I have no doubts that Stubbs will be a great manager and I hope its with Hibs but people not you are stating folk saying he is pish etc which I have never seen. What is my concern and its been ongoing is week in week out now we are not taking chances hence Sunday and various other times throughout season.

[147lothian]

Not sure if its just cause i'm getting older but one of the things that does my nut in more than ever is having to listen to armchair coaches, at the game and one here, talking some amount of utter keech.
We have a decent coaching team and they are still learning, they are not perfect but if they were, they wouldn't be here. They have a decent philosophy on how to play, one of the strongest squads for decades due to good signings, have created an excellent team spirit and are a fair bit easier on the eye than the last few years.
On a number of occasions we've shown the bottle and determination that has been missing in previous times but still would appear to be a work in progress.
We have no divine right to win anything or against anybody.
No matter the outcome this season we seem to be heading in the right direction after several years of going backwards.
Some folk wont be happy until we have a Calderclown on Butcher back at the helm.

So to all the frustrated Fergies, and other assorted nuggets out there. Away and take a school team/youth side, do yer badges, learn how to do it then chuck yer hat in the ring.
Until then.....shut the front door.

A very good post and is how I feel, Sunday's game could have went either way, if it had gone our way the same people posting doom and gloom would have probably posted over optimistic posts, for me we have better performance levels than we had for 7 years before we got relegated and a lot of the credit for that has to go to Stubbs, we have to stick with him for me!

[Eyrie]

A question for those who claim that Stubbs is learning.

When has he demonstrated that he has learnt how to change a game with a tactical substitution? When has he demonstrated that he has learnt to counter the teams that sit in and suffocate us? When has he demonstrated that he has learnt from other teams that counter this with pace and width?

After almost two years it's not unreasonable to expect some signs of progress.

[keep the faith]

A question for those who claim that Stubbs is learning.

When has he demonstrated that he has learnt how to change a game with a tactical substitution? When has he demonstrated that he has learnt to counter the teams that sit in and suffocate us? When has he demonstrated that he has learnt from other teams that counter this with pace and width?

After almost two years it's not unreasonable to expect some signs of progress.

Yes let's sack him. Being back Fenlon and Butcher. Those were ace times!

[Giro Playboy]

Yes let's sack him. Being back Fenlon and Butcher. Those were ace times! That's a stupid response to be honest. People are entitled to post how they feel.

[keep the faith]

That's a stupid response to be honest. People are entitled to post how they feel.

Apologies for the crass response. I'm just sick of it on here at the moment. Time to sign off for the night.

[Jones28]

So say we don't get up and Stubbs either gets punted or walks - who comes in to replace him?

[Andy74]

Yes let's sack him. Being back Fenlon and Butcher. Those were ace times!

Depends I suppose. We spent some time top of the SPL with Fenlon. We haven't been top of the Championship yet.

[Smartie]

So say we don't get up and Stubbs either gets punted or walks - who comes in to replace him?

Even if it doesn't ultimately work out for him I've enjoyed having him as manager and I reckon he's done a lot right.

I'd like to see the board go for someone similar.

Links down South, reasonably high profile, media friendly, wants to play football, previously untried, young, ambitious, some coaching experience, generally liked by players…….

I wouldn't want an obscure foreigner I'd never heard of, a mediocre "Largs mafia" figure or a regular from the managerial merry go round.

[truehibernian]

Depends I suppose. We spent some time top of the SPL with Fenlon. We haven't been top of the Championship yet.

What league is Pat managing in now ?

[flash]

Depends I suppose. We spent some time top of the SPL with Fenlon. We haven't been top of the Championship yet.

You must have a wee alarm that goes off whenever anyone types Fenlon or Malonga.

[HoboHarry]

A question for those who claim that Stubbs is learning.

When has he demonstrated that he has learnt how to change a game with a tactical substitution? When has he demonstrated that he has learnt to counter the teams that sit in and suffocate us? When has he demonstrated that he has learnt from other teams that counter this with pace and width?

After almost two years it's not unreasonable to expect some signs of progress.
Remind us of how Fergie was doing after 2 years at Man Utd.......

[MWHIBBIES]

A question for those who claim that Stubbs is learning.

When has he demonstrated that he has learnt how to change a game with a tactical substitution? When has he demonstrated that he has learnt to counter the teams that sit in and suffocate us? When has he demonstrated that he has learnt from other teams that counter this with pace and width?

After almost two years it's not unreasonable to expect some signs of progress.

1-0 at home to Morton this season, brings on Cummings for Bartley, he scores.

Name a manager in world football who has a 100% record against teams that sit with 10 men behind the ball?

Who actually counters us with pace and width? Ross County got 2 goals off of lucky breaks/mistakes, Morton because Oxley/back 4 had a bit of a stinker, huns because our midfield/defense were MIA. So easy to just say ''lol pace and width'' when if you actually break these games down, we were very comfortable until mistakes cost us.

After almost 2 years it isn't unreasonable to think people would actually watch and understand how games under Stubbs have been. I also love how you ignore all the positive things Stubbs does in your post. No mention of our vastly improved derby record, our ability to grind our results in tough games (Hearts, Huns, Falkirk, Raith away etc), really good eye for a player etc.

If you want to rag on Stubbs fine, do it after the last game, the club gain nothing from moaning and bitching right now as we have some huge games coming up.

[MWHIBBIES]

What league is Pat managing in now ?Gary O'Connor plays for Selkirk, do we totally disregard everything positive he done because he plays in a diddy league now?

[truehibernian]

Gary O'Connor plays for Selkirk, do we totally disregard everything positive he done because he plays in a diddy league now?

I'll reiterate and try and be consistent regards the other thread you've challenged me on :

Folk are where they are because they're 'not very good' now !

Sadly Garry won't play any higher, Pat won't manage any higher - if Pat does, I'll happily admit I'm wrong and buy you a pint or two !

[blackpoolhibs]

I'll reiterate and try and be consistent regards the other thread you've challenged me on :

Folk are where they are because they're 'not very good' now !

Sadly Garry won't play any higher, Pat won't manage any higher - if Pat does, I'll happily admit I'm wrong and buy you a pint or two !

Do you think Stubbs will manage at ca higher level than us through his achievements with hibs or by getting a 3rd tier English club because of his name. Iknow where my money would be on.

[Eyrie]

Remind us of how Fergie was doing after 2 years at Man Utd.......
The same logic that would have kept Calderwood, Fenlon and Butcher in a job. I'm looking for evidence that he is improving and addressing his mistakes. That is what will earn Stubbs the right to stay at Easter Road or to get a move to a bigger job (or failing that, Celtc).


1-0 at home to Morton this season, brings on Cummings for Bartley, he scores.

Name a manager in world football who has a 100% record against teams that sit with 10 men behind the ball?

Who actually counters us with pace and width? Ross County got 2 goals off of lucky breaks/mistakes, Morton because Oxley/back 4 had a bit of a stinker, huns because our midfield/defense were MIA. So easy to just say ''lol pace and width'' when if you actually break these games down, we were very comfortable until mistakes cost us.

After almost 2 years it isn't unreasonable to think people would actually watch and understand how games under Stubbs have been. I also love how you ignore all the positive things Stubbs does in your post. No mention of our vastly improved derby record, our ability to grind our results in tough games (Hearts, Huns, Falkirk, Raith away etc), really good eye for a player etc.

If you want to rag on Stubbs fine, do it after the last game, the club gain nothing from moaning and bitching right now as we have some huge games coming up.
I didn't say that teams counter us with pace and width, I said that other teams counter the ten men defences with pace and width. The example is there and Stubbs is choosing not to use it.

Yes, there have been positives under Stubbs, but let's remember that we're not only grinding out results in big games, we're grinding out results in routine games or losing those matches against teams with a fraction of our resources because the template on how to stop us is clear and he isn't reacting to that.

As regards moaning and bitching, I'm suggesting the same alternative approach that I (and others) have advocated since last season so at least my criticism is more constructive than blindly defending what isn't working.

[truehibernian]

Do you think Stubbs will manage at ca higher level than us through his achievements with hibs or by getting a 3rd tier English club because of his name. Iknow where my money would be on.

Stubbs has the advantage of playing pedigree, bigger media profile and also a more football 'credibility' in a fickle industry - so yes, even if he 'failed' at Hibs, he's already had enough exposure to get jobs down south with good sides - if he gets us promoted, stock rises, and like Mowbray, he'll go higher yes.

[easty]

Pat won't manage any higher - if Pat does, I'll happily admit I'm wrong and buy you a pint or two !

He'll never get a bigger job than Hibs. Absolutley no chance.

[MWHIBBIES]

The same logic that would have kept Calderwood, Fenlon and Butcher in a job. I'm looking for evidence that he is improving and addressing his mistakes. That is what will earn Stubbs the right to stay at Easter Road or to get a move to a bigger job (or failing that, Celtc).


I didn't say that teams counter us with pace and width, I said that other teams counter the ten men defences with pace and width. The example is there and Stubbs is choosing not to use it.

Yes, there have been positives under Stubbs, but let's remember that we're not only grinding out results in big games, we're grinding out results in routine games or losing those matches against teams with a fraction of our resources because the template on how to stop us is clear and he isn't reacting to that.

As regards moaning and bitching, I'm suggesting the same alternative approach that I (and others) have advocated since last season so at least my criticism is more constructive than blindly defending what isn't working.So pace and width guarantees promotion? There is nothing to suggest we'd win any more or less other than ''they done it so it must work''

[broondog]

A question for those who claim that Stubbs is learning.

When has he demonstrated that he has learnt how to change a game with a tactical substitution? When has he demonstrated that he has learnt to counter the teams that sit in and suffocate us? When has he demonstrated that he has learnt from other teams that counter this with pace and width?

After almost two years it's not unreasonable to expect some signs of progress.

Difficult to disagree with this to be honest. have to admit I was 100% behind Stubbs until recently but the truth is his record has been poor when we look in terms of progress. people forget we are in the second tier of one of the worst leagues in the world ffs and we are way off where we should be given our resources. he appears to have built a very promising team on paper but results lately have been shocking and he has failed to give me confidence that he has the tactical ability to adapt to teams that take an alternative approach when they play us. the main issue is the lack of progress as he has had ample time to build. I was willing to accept that we may have to spend another year in this dreadful league had we got something to show for it such as a trophy, but a loss tomorrow night throws that out the window and I can't see him having the backing of the fans if we blow it. that said if we progress we have a winnable semi and chance to make history in another final but I cant see it im afraid.

[HappyAsHellas]

I was a bit nonplussed when we appointed Stubbs as manager. However, after going to EM to hear him answer questions and tell us about what he wanted to achieve I was sold on it. For the greater part it has been very enjoyable compared to some of the garbage we were exposed to previously. Turning a club round isn't a one or two seasons job, more of a marathon than a sprint. I'm in for the long haul, as most of us are - what choice do we have? I don't want anyone kicked out when they have shown they have the potential to really achieve something worthwhile and lasting. I was gutted on Sunday and am still hurting now, but we have a massive game tomorrow night and then every game from now on in is incredibly important. I still believe we will go up through the play offs and shall give my unending support to whoever AS sees fit to put on the park. I understand some of the questions people are asking as I've thought about some of them myself. That's why I'm a mechanic though and he's a firking football manager . If he thought he could do my job I'd laugh in his face if I was feeling charitable. Why do people think they can do his?

[Forza Fred]

The tenure of a football manager, appears to me, just like our acceptance of politicians, to be changing.

Social media means that disapproval ratings mount and are openly discussed at a far greater speed of knots than say in the days of Eddie Turnbull.

It used to take a couple of seasons for a manager to go from hero to zero.

Now it just takes a bus journey!

[matty_f]

Must only be Hibs where getting a Championship side to a cup final is seen as a failure.

[ballengeich]

Do you think Stubbs will manage at ca higher level than us through his achievements with hibs or by getting a 3rd tier English club because of his name. Iknow where my money would be on.

It's too early to say. If he manages at a higher level because of his achievements with Hibs we'll all be happy. I'm unsure whether he'll do it. He's generally brought in good players and seems to be good at man-management. He seems inflexible in his team shape and recruitment in January hasn't worked out so well, but it'll depend on whether he learns from what's not worked out. Given what he faced when he arrived he's done rather well.

[Ozyhibby]

This thread has taken a turn for the worse.
I've read most of it and I don't think a single poster has called for Stubbs to be sacked (although one does want him sacked if he loses on wed) and yet we have name calling going on and people vowing not to come back to the site till it's all calmed down.
What everyone wants is for Stubbs to sort out our very clear goal scoring problem and then this place will be a much happier place.


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[Libby Hibby]

This thread has taken a turn for the worse.
I've read most of it and I don't think a single poster has called for Stubbs to be sacked (although one does want him sacked if he loses on wed) and yet we have name calling going on and people vowing not to come back to the site till it's all calmed down.
What everyone wants is for Stubbs to sort out our very clear goal scoring problem and then this place will be a much happier place.


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And I'd start with not playing Cummings and Stokes together. They just simply can't for any other game this season. There is no spark, there are no wee one / twos and there is just not that buzz when either of them get the ball at the moment.

If he does play them tonight then he is certainly seeing something different to what I'm witnessing each week and this reluctance to change things up could well be his downfall.

Also, get Fyvie back playing as soon as he is fit and get McGeoch fit enough to last a run of games.

All of the above, in my opinion, will help us get back to winning ways.

GGTTH

[southern hibby]

So pace and width guarantees promotion? There is nothing to suggest we'd win any more or less other than ''they done it so it must work''

Your correct but Morton did it too us, as did Ross County, we did it to Alloa just after The Rangers scrapped a win against them. It may not work all the time granted but it gives you another string to your bow and if utised correctly it can be a very very effective string to have.

GGTTH

[Craig_in_Prague]

Your correct but Morton did it too us, as did Ross County, we did it to Alloa just after The Rangers scrapped a win against them. It may not work all the time granted but it gives you another string to your bow and if utised correctly it can be a very very effective string to have.

GGTTH

Yep. Even the very best defenders in the world hate being turned. Tippy tappy play in front of you on the other hand...

[SeanWilson]

Your correct but Morton did it too us, as did Ross County, we did it to Alloa just after The Rangers scrapped a win against them. It may not work all the time granted but it gives you another string to your bow and if utised correctly it can be a very very effective string to have.

GGTTH

Neither of these teams used pace and width like we'd be capable off though.... The pace and width of our game against Alloa looked like a 'big team' bullying a smaller team like we should.

The pace and width of Morton and Ross county came about from them doing exactly what they should have against a team intent on doing nothing but attacking with no purpose in our play.

This team are capable of big things, best squad we've had in years and Stubbs and his staff assembled it. Not many people would be willing to proclaim they could do a better job than Stubbs but I think even he has to accept that he needs to change things up a little as the last few weeks have shown we are not going to grind out a result playing the same old same old.

If we start with a 442 tonight, we'll need to be damn sure we score early doors and if we don't and its glaringly obvious that they've got us on the counter, I want to see the ability to take the game by the scruff of the neck and have the strength of character to make an early change to formation.

[greenpaper55]

I don't think many are calling for Stubbs to be sacked but fans are concerned that we seemed to be progressing until a few months ago but now it's hit a brick wall. Maybe a few defeats and disappointments are the necessary jolt that will make him think again about the tactics he uses , it's a sair learning curve !

[The_Horde]

Must only be Hibs where getting a Championship side to a cup final is seen as a failure.

Apparently. How dare we be narrowly defeated by a rubbish side like the 4th best team in Scotland.

[HFC 0-7]

Must only be Hibs where getting a Championship side to a cup final is seen as a failure.

Come on Matty, no one is saying that. We failed it winning it, plain and simple, no one is doubting the achievement of getting there. If we want to be a top side, or a side that wins the championship getting to the final hurdle isn't good enough, getting over it is.

in terms of improvement from last season, there isn't much, if any IMO. We are scoring less. Think we need 9 points from the last 9 games to beat last seasons points haul but at present that's not a given. We struggle to score which means when we are a bit off the pace we struggle to win, teams that can score readily can survive off days a bit better. Teams have figured us out and are basically saying that in the press after games but we still play the same shape.

Transfer dealings have been suspect as well IMO. I think Stubbs has qualities but learning from mistakes or dealing with squad inefficiencies doesn't seem to be one of them at the moment.

[greenpaper55]

Apparently. How dare we be narrowly defeated by a rubbish side like the 4th best team in Scotland.

Aye, that team from the town of 4,900 people !

[Hibernia&Alba]

Aye, that team from the town of 4,900 people !

They beat Celtic in the semi-final. We can't say we should be beating them simply on the basis of the population of their town. What's annoying is the fact we should have won the game but blew it with two dreadful errors. The players will now have to live with the fact they let it get away. Hopefully they'll be extra motivated for tonight.

[Ronniekirk]

Must only be Hibs where getting a Championship side to a cup final is seen as a failure.

Given the opposition we beat to get there it was a Magnificent achievement
Always thought the game could of gone ether way before kick off

Its nice that we are getting credit for be ing the better team but we didn't take the opportunity
With a tactical change and subs earlier would it have turned out different ? Sadly we will never know
Semi final defeat last year final defeat this year so maybe next year we will do it that sometimes happens Better to be putting ourselves in that position than not
I think the genuine worry just now is how so e get back to winning ways and not have a huge anticlimax at end of season
Stubbs and the Team can start to address that issue tonight so will wait and see how we do



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[Captain Trips]

So the benchmark is getting to the final, being miles behind Rangers and battling for 2nd not first but 2nd is what we are looking for today as of now?

There seems to be if you question Stubbs your deemed as thinking he is pish and needs removed. I want him to stay and get us promotion and have a crack at top league however I am disappointed how or league campaign has petered out and now it's a battle for 2nd. Getting to a cup final doesn't make our league form anymore acceptable or not.

If we sort the forward line and we are clinical we will be some team however it's been an issue for ages and not addressed and that is why I question him.

[Expecting Rain]

A lot of people have forgotten how bad we were before Stubbs arrived.

[southern hibby]

Neither of these teams used pace and width like we'd be capable off though.... The pace and width of our game against Alloa looked like a 'big team' bullying a smaller team like we should.

The pace and width of Morton and Ross county came about from them doing exactly what they should have against a team intent on doing nothing but attacking with no purpose in our play.

This team are capable of big things, best squad we've had in years and Stubbs and his staff assembled it. Not many people would be willing to proclaim they could do a better job than Stubbs but I think even he has to accept that he needs to change things up a little as the last few weeks have shown we are not going to grind out a result playing the same old same old.

If we start with a 442 tonight, we'll need to be damn sure we score early doors and if we don't and its glaringly obvious that they've got us on the counter, I want to see the ability to take the game by the scruff of the neck and have the strength of character to make an early change to formation.

Your very first sentence said everything for me these teams beat us without using speed or width like wee'd be able too. So imagine what we could achieve, using speed or width.
As for bullying Alloa we had 2 wingers on that run at them that stretched their defence that allowed our midfield further up the field, which lead to the goals.

GGTTH

[Winston Ingram]

If presented with the opportunity I think Stubbs would be off to Bolton like a shot.

I can't say i disagree. I've always got the impression that he sees us as his starter job.

On top of that, when he was mentioned in connection with the Celtic job by the Weegia, his response was 'i'd like to see see the season out at Hibs'. Not, 'no way am i leaving'.

If Celtic or Bolton come in, I think he'd be off.

[Winston Ingram]

A lot of people have forgotten how bad we were before Stubbs arrived.

I don't think we have, but we are in a position that it would have been a far bigger challenge to make us worse than better.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I don't think we have, but we are in a position that it would have been a far bigger challenge to make us worse than better.

It takes a special kind of imbecile to take something bad and then make it infinitely worse. Step forward Terence Butcher esq........

[Expecting Rain]

I don't think we have, but we are in a position that it would have been a far bigger challenge to make us worse than better.

Imo Hibs are going in the right direction with a lot of talented people at all levels, you can't force success.

[matty_f]

So the benchmark is getting to the final, being miles behind Rangers and battling for 2nd not first but 2nd is what we are looking for today as of now?

There seems to be if you question Stubbs your deemed as thinking he is pish and needs removed. I want him to stay and get us promotion and have a crack at top league however I am disappointed how or league campaign has petered out and now it's a battle for 2nd. Getting to a cup final doesn't make our league form anymore acceptable or not.

If we sort the forward line and we are clinical we will be some team however it's been an issue for ages and not addressed and that is why I question him.

I don't see anyone saying that's a benchmark, to be fair Carlsberg, and I see plenty people questioning Stubbs at the moment in a constructive and considered manner.

There are one or two more extreme posts, but in general i think it's reasonable.

[scooby]

Imo Hibs are going in the right direction with a lot of talented people at all levels, you can't force success.

Lots of fans are simply frustrated, as we undoubtedly have a good squad which should have done better over the last few weeks. Unfortunately our forward line isn't clicking at the moment and that has cost us big time. Hopefully we can get back to winning ways tonight and finish the season on a high.

[Ozyhibby]

I can't say i disagree. I've always got the impression that he sees us as his starter job.

On top of that, when he was mentioned in connection with the Celtic job by the Weegia, his response was 'i'd like to see see the season out at Hibs'. Not, 'no way am i leaving'.

If Celtic or Bolton come in, I think he'd be off.

Of course he sees us as a stepping stone. I don't see anything wrong with that. If they get a move to a bigger club because of what they achieve at Hibs then I'll be delighted. They've got a long way to go before we get to that stage though.
Anyone who thinks that three grown men in their 40/50's have left their families and moved hundreds of miles from home to all live together because this is their dream job is being incredibly stupid. They are doing it and their families are allowing them to do it because they want a shot at the big time. They want to earn those life changing sums of money that a successful management team can earn.
There is nothing wrong with that and I hope they get there on the back of success with Hibs.
They need to get us scoring goals first though.


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[confused]

Thankfully I'm not stubbly how do you think he feels, when after a cup final defeat , fans are wanting him out ? Aye we have had some fantastic managers , over the years , I just fail to remember them all.

[blackpoolhibs]

Stubbs talks a good game, he seems to be able to get the players behind him as well. Yet football is a results business, and when we have games where winning gives you a huge prize rangers play offs, Falkirk semi and Sunday's final, he's failed in every one of them.

And his tactics against some of the poorest teams we have seen at easter road and away from home have been so predictable and ponderous, its no surprise we struggle when its easier for the opposition to defend against than power and pace.

Also team selections and bloody substitutions have left me baffled on more than one occasion. He's learning alright, not quickly enough for my liking.

[Ozyhibby]

Thankfully I'm not stubbly how do you think he feels, when after a cup final defeat , fans are wanting him out ? Aye we have had some fantastic managers , over the years , I just fail to remember them all.

He's probably wondering where you have seen fans wanting him out?


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[Hermit Crab]

I don't think Stubbs should go and even though we may miss out on promotion I think we should keep him, no point in chopping and changing and having to start the rebuild again. We'd be back to square one.

[Onion]

Hmmmm.

Ask Bolton and Everton fans about his integrity.

He might see the writing on the wall with us - we get knocked out on Wednesday and he fails to get us promoted - how employable will he be then?

They're much closer to his family, he could stay at home.

It's also a challenge of rebuilding a club - a bit similar to what he did with us. They are also potentially a premiership club, it might be his easiest way to get there.

They're also a club that he has an emotional tie to and probably a relationship he would like to improve as he left under a cloud before.

He'll be at a Scottish Cup tie tomorrow night in the frozen North in front of 3 men and a dog. If his first club in senior football come calling I'm sure he'll at least look in their sweetie bag and see what they're offering.

👍 Correct. Stubbs has gone from hot prospect for Celtic to a potential sacking from Hibs if we lose tonight and fail in the POs. Revealing that double page spread in today's Daily Mail with short list for Deila's replacement, not one word about Stubbs ! If offered a bigger job today, wouldn't be at all surprised to see Stubbs go while he still has the chance. Huge 2 months coming up for Hibs, but just as big for Stubbs career.

[Expecting Rain]

Lots of fans are simply frustrated, as we undoubtedly have a good squad which should have done better over the last few weeks. Unfortunately our forward line isn't clicking at the moment and that has cost us big time. Hopefully we can get back to winning ways tonight and finish the season on a high.

Agree 100%

[Winston Ingram]

Imo Hibs are going in the right direction with a lot of talented people at all levels, you can't force success.

There's no doubt the club has improved since LD arrived

[Thecat23]

Stubbs talks a good game, he seems to be able to get the players behind him as well. Yet football is a results business, and when we have games where winning gives you a huge prize rangers play offs, Falkirk semi and Sunday's final, he's failed in every one of them.

And his tactics against some of the poorest teams we have seen at easter road and away from home have been so predictable and ponderous, its no surprise we struggle when its easier for the opposition to defend against than power and pace.

Also team selections and bloody substitutions have left me baffled on more than one occasion. He's learning alright, not quickly enough for my liking.

Would you sack him now? Just the way you have been talking about not getting results and not learning quickly enough. Or if we did go up would you sack him them? Because surely he can't improve that much?

[Winston Ingram]

Stubbs talks a good game, he seems to be able to get the players behind him as well. Yet football is a results business, and when we have games where winning gives you a huge prize rangers play offs, Falkirk semi and Sunday's final, he's failed in every one of them.

And his tactics against some of the poorest teams we have seen at easter road and away from home have been so predictable and ponderous, its no surprise we struggle when its easier for the opposition to defend against than power and pace.

Also team selections and bloody substitutions have left me baffled on more than one occasion. He's learning alright, not quickly enough for my liking.

:agree:

Agree with all of that. It was clear the diamond wasn't working against the poorer teams last season. To then decide to not only go with it again and then build a squad limiting your options for alternatives is certainly questionable.

[stantonhibby]

Stubbs talks a good game, he seems to be able to get the players behind him as well. Yet football is a results business, and when we have games where winning gives you a huge prize rangers play offs, Falkirk semi and Sunday's final, he's failed in every one of them.

And his tactics against some of the poorest teams we have seen at easter road and away from home have been so predictable and ponderous, its no surprise we struggle when its easier for the opposition to defend against than power and pace.

Also team selections and bloody substitutions have left me baffled on more than one occasion. He's learning alright, not quickly enough for my liking.

So you are ignoring the semi final win against St Johnstone then ?

[Winston Ingram]

Would you sack him now? Just the way you have been talking about not getting results and not learning quickly enough. Or if we did go up would you sack him them? Because surely he can't improve that much?

If he gets us up he deservedly keeps his job as he's met his objectives. The issue however promotion doesn't look likely despite the huge backing the board have given him

[hibsbollah]

Mertesacker was being interviewed about Arsenals recent problems and he said ' it looks like we play and play and play until the other team scores'. Sounds like the Hibs.

I still maintain that there's nothing wrong with Stubbs tactics, that haven't changed much from when we were winning every game we played. Losing McGeough was a bigger blow than people think, he gave us that drive into the final third that we're missing. Hanlon is my POTY up till Christmas, losing him was a nightmare . Malonga leaving takes away a Plan B when Cummings isn't on form. And Cummings IS badly off form. Stokes is IMO playing well and goals will come. Gray and Stevenson aren't playing well either, delivery from wide areas not good. Too many players off form, and too many crucial injuries.

Sometimes a little slice of luck here or there can sort out a lack of form; but we need it immediately, not just for the Cup tonight but for our playoff chances; it would be shocking imo to finish behind such a thoroughly Shan footballing side as Falkirk, If a Peter Houston side was playing in my back garden I'd close the curtains.

[superfurryhibby]

Would you sack him now? Just the way you have been talking about not getting results and not learning quickly enough. Or if we did go up would you sack him them? Because surely he can't improve that much?

Can you disagree with the last two paragraphs of BH's? There are reasons why this team has failed to deliver, mostly unrelated to the quality of the opposition's play and more to do with our obvious weaknesses. We dominate possession in most games, yet we cannae score the goals needed to win enough of them.

We have the best squad at ER for many a year and Stubbs must take credit for that, but ultimately we've not fulfilled our potential. He must also answer for that. Sacking him now would be ridic, but failure to get promoted must surely see him depart?

[Thecat23]

If he gets us up he deservedly keeps his job as he's met his objectives. The issue however promotion doesn't look likely despite the huge backing the board have given him

Promotion looks the same as it always has. We have never been top so play offs were always on the cards. Nothing has changed since last year we can still go up via play offs yet most seem to think we'll fail.

I'm just staying positive until I know where we are at.

[Smartie]

:agree:

Agree with all of that. It was clear the diamond wasn't working against the poorer teams last season. To then decide to not only go with it again and then build a squad limiting your options for alternatives is certainly questionable.

What I don't get is that the only time he's changed it dramatically (against Alloa) we looked much, much better.

Different formation, different personnel, different level of urgency - and it worked to great effect.

I've been staggered that he hasn't at any point been tempted to take this approach again.

(Or were Alloa just much worse than every other team we've played?)

[Thecat23]

Can you disagree with the last two paragraphs of BH's? There are reasons why this team has failed to deliver, mostly unrelated to the quality of the opposition's play and more to do with our obvious weaknesses. We dominate possession in most games, yet we cannae score the goals needed to win enough of them.

We have the best squad at ER for many a year and Stubbs must take credit for that, but ultimately we've not fulfilled our potential. He must also answer for that. Sacking him now would be ridic, but failure to get promoted must surely see him depart?

It wouldn't surely see him depart. It would raise serious questions and rightly so. Would LD sack him though? I've no idea. Should LD then shoulder the blame as well because she hired him?

Petrie took the stick so do we then say well LD brought in an untried manager. Of course for me sacking him would be a mistake and blaming LD would be stupid but can you see what I'm saying?

[Thecat23]

What I don't get is that the only time he's changed it dramatically (against Alloa) we looked much, much better.

Different formation, different personnel, different level of urgency - and it worked to great effect.

I've been staggered that he hasn't at any point been tempted to take this approach again.

(Or were Alloa just much worse than every other team we've played?)

This is something that's baffled me. That's why I'm hoping he sees this and makes changes if needed in the coming weeks.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Aye, that team from the town of 4,900 people !

TSG 1899 Hoffenheim football club.

Location ....... The village of Hoffenheim ..... population 3,300. How do you think we would do against them?

[Smartie]

Mertesacker was being interviewed about Arsenals recent problems and he said ' it looks like we play and play and play until the other team scores'. Sounds like the Hibs.

I still maintain that there's nothing wrong with Stubbs tactics, that haven't changed much from when we were winning every game we played. Losing McGeough was a bigger blow than people think, he gave us that drive into the final third that we're missing. Hanlon is my POTY up till Christmas, losing him was a nightmare . Malonga leaving takes away a Plan B when Cummings isn't on form. And Cummings IS badly off form. Stokes is IMO playing well and goals will come. Gray and Stevenson aren't playing well either, delivery from wide areas not good. Too many players off form, and too many crucial injuries.

Sometimes a little slice of luck here or there can sort out a lack of form; but we need it immediately, not just for the Cup tonight but for our playoff chances; it would be shocking imo to finish behind such a thoroughly Shan footballing side as Falkirk, If a Peter Houston side was playing in my back garden I'd close the curtains.

A lot of really good points in here.

But I think the diamond tactic has been as successful as it has because of certain personnel - when they are not available it is not nearly as effective. Throw into the mix certain players being out of form then you have a perfect storm that quickly reduces a very competent unit to a hopeless looking one.

Quite frankly, a spine of a team that has Hanlon, Fyvie, McGeouch and Malonga in it would hold its own at any level in Scotland. Having to do without these players is a massive, massive blow.

But we still have good players - I don't think we're getting close to getting the best out of them (some of them we're not even playing regularly) and the poor form that was initially only affecting the odd player is now spreading throughout the team.

I don't know whether it is stubbornness or complacency but I do think that Stubbs should have changed his approach in recent weeks as a result of these injuries. The most disappointing thing about our recent results and poor form is that they have actually been predictable. With either a change in starting formation or through the use of subs during games I think he could have done more to stop the predictable pattern emerging.

[SeanWilson]

TSG 1899 Hoffenheim football club.

Location ....... The village of Hoffenheim ..... population 3,300. How do you think we would do against them?

Against the Continentals we have always stood the test :greengrin:greengrin

[Winston Ingram]

Promotion looks the same as it always has. We have never been top so play offs were always on the cards. Nothing has changed since last year we can still go up via play offs yet most seem to think we'll fail.

I'm just staying positive until I know where we are at.

Agreed, I'd have bitten your hand off for promotion at the start of the season via the playoffs.

I think it's understandable that people aren't confident that we'll get through the playoffs.. The whole league knows how to play against our diamond, Stubbs has stuck with it for nearly 2 years and and has shown little sign of changing it, our form over the last 6 games has been terrible and our results against Falkirk have been poor.

We have a huge job on our hands to finish 2nd and get past Falkirk.

[SeanWilson]

Agreed, I'd have bitten your hand off for promotion at the start of the season via the playoffs.

I think it's understandable that people aren't confident that we'll get through the playoffs.. The whole league knows how to play against our diamond, Stubbs has stuck with it for nearly 2 years and and has shown little sign of changing it, our form over the last 6 games has been terrible and our results against Falkirk have been poor.

We have a huge job on our hands to finish 2nd and get past Falkirk.

a) In theory, we've an easier run in than Falkirk, starting with every possibility that they drop points and we gain this weekend. b) I'd fancy Bathgate Thistle against Killie......

[NAE NOOKIE]

Against the Continentals we have always stood the test :greengrin:greengrin

Against the famous English clubs we're better than the rest :greengrin

[Smartie]

a) In theory, we've an easier run in than Falkirk, starting with every possibility that they drop points and we gain this weekend. b) I'd fancy Bathgate Thistle against Killie......

Killie or Dundee United hold no fears for me, especially not if we manage to get Hanlon, Fyvie and McGeouch back before the end of the season.

It's bloody Falkirk or Morton (or even both) that are bothering me.

[Winston Ingram]

What I don't get is that the only time he's changed it dramatically (against Alloa) we looked much, much better.

Different formation, different personnel, different level of urgency - and it worked to great effect.

I've been staggered that he hasn't at any point been tempted to take this approach again.

(Or were Alloa just much worse than every other team we've played?)

I can't help thinking it's down to 2 things.

Firstly the structure of the squad limits our options. Overly stocked with centre forwards and an embarassingly short on attacking width. The only real attacking wide player in the whole squad we have is Carmichael. I know Boyle can play wide but he is by trade a CF and has played there more than he has wide.

Secondly he seems to have his favourites and is more worried about keeping players happy.

[Winston Ingram]

a) In theory, we've an easier run in than Falkirk, starting with every possibility that they drop points and we gain this weekend. b) I'd fancy Bathgate Thistle against Killie......

Don't get me wrong, i still perhaps misguidely think we'll finish 2nd. It's beating Falkirk in the playoffs that worries me. Our record is not great against them and if there is one manager who has worked out how to play against the diamond it's Houston.

[Smartie]

I can't help thinking it's down to 2 things.

Firstly the structure of the squad limits our options. Overly stocked with centre forwards and an embarassingly short on attacking width. The only real attacking wide player in the whole squad we have is Carmichael. I know Boyle can play wide but he is by trade a CF and has played there more than he has wide.

Secondly he seems to have his favourites and is more worried about keeping players happy.

I suspect you're right.

I think Carmichael's injury problems this season have probably hampered our options more than we might think.

I thought Boyle was excellent last season, he was an inspired signing and his injury cost us dear at the tail end of last season when he was bang in form. He had the odd opportunity at the start of this season which he just didn't take - he didn't look like he was anything like deserving of a starting spot. But he's looked better recently and I find his omission a bit baffling.

I agree we have too many "similar" strikers and our persistence with pairs of similar players has been a huge downfall. Any one of Cummings, Stokes or Keatings with a solid target man, a clever and tricky player or a whippet would be better than any pairing of the similar players.

[SeanWilson]

Killie or Dundee United hold no fears for me, especially not if we manage to get Hanlon, Fyvie and McGeouch back before the end of the season.

It's bloody Falkirk or Morton (or even both) that are bothering me.

Yeah, i hear you. I'd like to think that if we're at full strength, we'd have them over two legs though. Even with the much maligned diamond, i think we'd have them with the likes of DM, PH and FF in contention.

[Winston Ingram]

I suspect you're right.

I think Carmichael's injury problems this season have probably hampered our options more than we might think.

I thought Boyle was excellent last season, he was an inspired signing and his injury cost us dear at the tail end of last season when he was bang in form. He had the odd opportunity at the start of this season which he just didn't take - he didn't look like he was anything like deserving of a starting spot. But he's looked better recently and I find his omission a bit baffling.

I agree we have too many "similar" strikers and our persistence with pairs of similar players has been a huge downfall. Any one of Cummings, Stokes or Keatings with a solid target man, a clever and tricky player or a whippet would be better than any pairing of the similar players.

Boyle was a huge loss at the end of last season but the fact that the squad was structured so badly, we had absolutely no other wide player as an option to replace him.

[Expecting Rain]

The nearest to Carmichael we have is Boyle, we can't keep hoping that our midfielders who are prominently central mid players are going to produce the goods in wide areas and also hampering their own contributions into the bargain.

[ancient hibee]

Come on Matty, no one is saying that. We failed it winning it, plain and simple, no one is doubting the achievement of getting there. If we want to be a top side, or a side that wins the championship getting to the final hurdle isn't good enough, getting over it is.

in terms of improvement from last season, there isn't much, if any IMO. We are scoring less. Think we need 9 points from the last 9 games to beat last seasons points haul but at present that's not a given. We struggle to score which means when we are a bit off the pace we struggle to win, teams that can score readily can survive off days a bit better. Teams have figured us out and are basically saying that in the press after games but we still play the same shape.

Transfer dealings have been suspect as well IMO. I think Stubbs has qualities but learning from mistakes or dealing with squad inefficiencies doesn't seem to be one of them at the moment.

I struggle to see how you don't see an improvement from last season.I don't recall reaching a cup final then or beating two of the top teams in the Premier..You seriously don't think we'll win more than 3 of our lat 9 games? You think transfer dealings have been suspect-McGinn,Fyvie,McGeough,Bartley all players for now and the future-Bartley-Henderson on loan ? Jeez.

[hibsbollah]

Stubbs tonight 'Well we didn't bottle it tonight, did we?'
I love him. It's out there.

[Thecat23]

Stubbs tonight 'Well we didn't bottle it tonight, did we?'
I love him. It's out there.

Glad he said that, to many on here were quick to kick him and the players after Sunday when they actually played well.

Back to Hampden and let's hope the boys can get us to another final.

[Andy74]

Stubbs tonight 'Well we didn't bottle it tonight, did we?'
I love him. It's out there.

I think he needs to save the come backs on that type of thing until we do something in the proper big games. It wasn't bit of a free shot tonight.

Anyway, I'd sack him now for forcing me back to Hampden.

[Thecat23]

I think he needs to save the come backs on that type of thing until we do something in the proper big games. It wasn't bit of a free shot tonight.

Anyway, I'd sack him now for forcing me back to Hampden.

I hate Hampden too if I'm honest, but this time Andy boy we will win 😁👍🏼

[Borderhibbie76]

I hate Hampden too if I'm honest, but this time Andy boy we will win 😁👍🏼
Agree delighted but shudder at the thought of Hampden again - hate the bloody place

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[Hiber-nation]

Agree delighted but shudder at the thought of Hampden again - hate the bloody place

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Canny wait, we have bounced back once, now to do it again :thumbsup:

[Borderhibbie76]

Canny wait, we have bounced back once, now to do it again [emoji106]
Too true mate...bring it on 👍

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[Libby Hibby]

Alan Stubbs, I apologise, I said that Stokes and Cummings should not play together again this season, I was wrong.

Still don't think they are our best pairing but thank you for playing them tonight.

GGTTH

[Hibernia&Alba]

A final

Another semi-final at the least

Play offs; hopefully in second

We'd have taken that last August!

[hibsbollah]

Surely it gets to a point where Hampden becomes like a second home for us :greengrin

[J-C]

Agree delighted but shudder at the thought of Hampden again - hate the bloody place

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:agree: Me too, definitely not going to the north stand, I fancy sitting watching a football match for a change, plus the auld back was done in on sunday.

[Ozyhibby]

Stubbs sounded pretty pissed off at the criticism last night in his BBC interview although he appeared calmer for Hibs TV. We got a couple of goals last night and if we keep doing that it will all go away anyway. Well done Stubbsy.


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[SlickShoes]

Stubbs sounded pretty pissed off at the criticism last night in his BBC interview although he appeared calmer for Hibs TV. We got a couple of goals last night and if we keep doing that it will all go away anyway. Well done Stubbsy.


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Aye I thought the same, other folk seem to hate hibs for some reason more than other non OF teams. Other clubs seem to be enjoying watching us struggle, it took most of them 2/3 of a season to start praising us but only a couple of games to start putting the boot in and calling us a shambles again.

It's been a rough few weeks, Stubbs is a strong character and I hope that transfers to his players and we can push on and finish in a clear second place and hopefully have another cup final to look forward to.

[blackpoolhibs]

Would you sack him now? Just the way you have been talking about not getting results and not learning quickly enough. Or if we did go up would you sack him them? Because surely he can't improve that much?

And its me who gets accused of trolling? Nobody is more pleased we won last night, yet its typical of us under Stubbs. We win the game that sets us up for the big chance of a cup win, but not the actual cup win.

We win games that dont actually win us anything, but when we lose games where we could have actually won a trophy or maybe gained promotion its ok because he's made us better and he's still learning.

Not once have i stated he should be sacked right now, but i have said he's a slow learner and some of his tactics and substitutions have been dire. Maybe you feel the need to back a manager right to the hilt after getting your last prediction so wrong he actually relegated us.

[Jones28]

So you are ignoring the semi final win against St Johnstone then ?

And the derbies either side of said win?

And last nights win?

[blackpoolhibs]

And the derbies either side of said win?

And last nights win?

I'm not ignoring any win, we've had some fantastic wins under Stubbs, only a dick would ignore my comments after every one of them? :confused:

[Thecat23]

And its me who gets accused of trolling? Nobody is more pleased we won last night, yet its typical of us under Stubbs. We win the game that sets us up for the big chance of a cup win, but not the actual cup win.

We win games that dont actually win us anything, but when we lose games where we could have actually won a trophy or maybe gained promotion its ok because he's made us better and he's still learning.

Not once have i stated he should be sacked right now, but i have said he's a slow learner and some of his tactics and substitutions have been dire. Maybe you feel the need to back a manager right to the hilt after getting your last prediction so wrong he actually relegated us.

Yep and I'm first to admit when wrong. Unlike a handful on here who just won't! Funny that.

[blackpoolhibs]

Yep and I'm first to admit when wrong. Unlike a handful on here who just won't! Funny that.

So when i praise Hibs and Stubbs am i wrong, or just when i talk about the defeats and mistakes i believe him and his team have clearly made at times especially in games that i pointed out really count? :confused:

Cue trolling accusations. :rolleyes:

[Thecat23]

So when i praise Hibs and Stubbs am i wrong, or just when i talk about the defeats and mistakes i believe him and his team have clearly made at times especially in games that i pointed out really count? :confused:

Cue trolling accusations. :rolleyes:

For the record I've never said or thought you troll this board. I've often agreed with many of your posts as well as you know.

To get to finals you need to beat what's in front of you and I'm sure you said something about winning pointless games or something like that, I'll have to check.

He has his filings that's for sure, subs at the wrong time and formations that I think could be changed but over all he's the best manager we've had at ER in years.

Edit.. This was what you said "We win games that dont actually win us anything."

Well league games win us 3 points which is what folk are crying out for. We beat everyone in the LC bar County who were lucky. We have reached a Semi as well. So they mean a lot in my book and hopefully we win it. Plus the fact we're in this league two cup runs like this gives us much needed cash.

[blackpoolhibs]

For the record I've never said or thought you troll this board. I've often agreed with many of your posts as well as you know.

To get to finals you need to beat what's in front of you and I'm sure you said something about winning pointless games or something like that, I'll have to check.

He has his filings that's for sure, subs at the wrong time and formations that I think could be changed but over all he's the best manager we've had at ER in years.

Edit.. This was what you said "We win games that dont actually win us anything."
Well league games win us 3 points which is what folk are crying out for. We beat everyone in the LC bar County who were lucky. We have reached a Semi as well. So they mean a lot in my book and hopefully we win it. Plus the fact we're in this league two cup runs like this gives us much needed cash.

Not enough to get us automatic promotion last year, and miles off it this one. Would you not like to have been a bit luckier and won the cup, or beaten sevco to reach the play off last season? Maybe got lucky and beat Falkirk in the semi too, that would have brought in a lot of money and given us our best chance at winning that cup since Motherwell in the 50s, but i suppose they were lucky too?

Excuse after excuse is trotted out when we fail, i never for one moment thought we'd win last night, but thinking about it we were probably a shoe in to win, because thats what we do. We lose the big games that count, the games where we had a fantastic chance of silverware just to win the next game that gets everyones hopes back up again.

We know the script, its been written a million times before. Stubbs has not shown me he has the ability to break that mindset yet, maybe he needs to get lucky, or maybe he needs to see whats right in front of him at times and stop thinking it will right itself and play with a bit of width and pace when playing against teams that sit in.

[QMU-1875]

Not enough to get us automatic promotion last year, and miles off it this one. Would you not like to have been a bit luckier and won the cup, or beaten sevco to reach the play off last season? Maybe got lucky and beat Falkirk in the semi too, that would have brought in a lot of money and given us our best chance at winning that cup since Motherwell in the 50s, but i suppose they were lucky too?

Excuse after excuse is trotted out when we fail, i never for one moment thought we'd win last night, but thinking about it we were probably a shoe in to win, because thats what we do. We lose the big games that count, the games where we had a fantastic chance of silverware just to win the next game that gets everyones hopes back up again.

We know the script, its been written a million times before. Stubbs has not shown me he has the ability to break that mindset yet, maybe he needs to get lucky, or maybe he needs to see whats right in front of him at times and stop thinking it will right itself and play with a bit of width and pace when playing against teams that sit in.

You really are a Jambos wet dream coming out with nonsense like this. No such thing as a meaningless game (Challenge Cup games aside!). To call quarter finals and semi finals meaningless is totally unfair and smacks of your desperation to stick with your agenda that Stubbs/Hibs cant win big games. I sincerely hope we prove you wrong.

[Frazerbob]

Of course Stubbs has some short comings....that's why he is managing a Scottish Championship side. I think he makes quite a few mistakes with selections, system and subs coming too late (lucky he did that last night) however, at the end of the day he is without a doubt the best manager we have had sine Mowbray. We will finish 2nd, exactly where the vast majority of us would have expected considering the resources and new manager at Ibrox. We have been to one final, with a great chance of another and had a semi final last year....probably much better cup record than the vast majority of us would have expected. We've finally got a manger who seems to have what it takes to get the better of Hearts in Derbies. Anyone questioning some aspects of the job he is doing is perfectly entitled to do so, I do. Anyone calling for his head has a very short memory.

[Lago]

And its me who gets accused of trolling? Nobody is more pleased we won last night, yet its typical of us under Stubbs. We win the game that sets us up for the big chance of a cup win, but not the actual cup win.

We win games that dont actually win us anything, but when we lose games where we could have actually won a trophy or maybe gained promotion its ok because he's made us better and he's still learning.

Not once have i stated he should be sacked right now, but i have said he's a slow learner and some of his tactics and substitutions have been dire. Maybe you feel the need to back a manager right to the hilt after getting your last prediction so wrong he actually relegated us.
Excellent post.

[blackpoolhibs]

You really are a Jambos wet dream coming out with nonsense like this. No such thing as a meaningless game (Challenge Cup games aside!). To call quarter finals and semi finals meaningless is totally unfair and smacks of your desperation to stick with your agenda that Stubbs/Hibs cant win big games. I sincerely hope we prove you wrong.

Well when his team get us promoted he can ram those words right up my backside, but you are just another who makes things up to suit your agenda of putting words into other peoples mouth.

I have no agenda against Stubbs, i do have doubts about his tactics and team selections. Dont get me started on his substitutions, but it appears discussing them instead of ignoring them means you have an agenda now on Hibs.net. :rolleyes:

[Ged]

You really are a Jambos wet dream coming out with nonsense like this. No such thing as a meaningless game (Challenge Cup games aside!). To call quarter finals and semi finals meaningless is totally unfair and smacks of your desperation to stick with your agenda that Stubbs/Hibs cant win big games. I sincerely hope we prove you wrong.

:agree:

It's just a form of Gaslighting. Substitute "lies" for "trolling" and you're there.

The feigned outrage is the same.

[mmmmhibby]

Not enough to get us automatic promotion last year, and miles off it this one. Would you not like to have been a bit luckier and won the cup, or beaten sevco to reach the play off last season? Maybe got lucky and beat Falkirk in the semi too, that would have brought in a lot of money and given us our best chance at winning that cup since Motherwell in the 50s, but i suppose they were lucky too?

Excuse after excuse is trotted out when we fail, i never for one moment thought we'd win last night, but thinking about it we were probably a shoe in to win, because thats what we do. We lose the big games that count, the games where we had a fantastic chance of silverware just to win the next game that gets everyones hopes back up again.

We know the script, its been written a million times before. Stubbs has not shown me he has the ability to break that mindset yet, maybe he needs to get lucky, or maybe he needs to see whats right in front of him at times and stop thinking it will right itself and play with a bit of width and pace when playing against teams that sit in.

Some fair points, particularly the last bit regarding width and pace.

[matty_f]

Well when his team get us promoted he can ram those words right up my backside, but you are just another who makes things up to suit your agenda of putting words into other peoples mouth.

I have no agenda against Stubbs, i do have doubts about his tactics and team selections. Dont get me started on his substitutions, but it appears discussing them instead of ignoring them means you have an agenda now on Hibs.net. :rolleyes:

It doesn't, loads of folk - including myself- have asked questions about Stubbs this season. It's only one person that's said you had an agenda (at least only one that I've seen).

[superfurryhibby]

People have questioned the basis for some recent poor performances and rightly so. The concerns raised about team selection and formation have justly come to the fore in discussions on here. The loss in the cup final was a sickening blow for many ( for me 9 finals - 1 victory). It hurt a lot to come back from Glasgow with that all too familiar sense of loss.

The opinions people express are allowed to question, discuss and praise and debate. We can even be wrong about things! I think people need to develop a sense of perspective. There are plenty of posters on here that I like reading, but whose opinions I don't always share. As long as they have some rationale or logic to their case then all power to them

The victory at Inverness hasn't undone the past month or so, doubts will remain until this team is promoted. On the other hand, there is no question that these guys are a quality side, play good football and seem to have the character required to delight us, as well as confound us.

This season I've picked and choose my games. I've been to most of the big games and enjoyed them immensely, something I couldn't really honestly say since Collins 's demise. I still don't want to attend the bread and butter league games, but the positive things done at ER have inspired to buy into the share issue and Hibs TV for my laddies who live abroad.

Hibs are a passionate subject for us all and like women, there are many ways to love them. In fact I can see the parallels between my love life and the way I attend football.

Whatever will be will be, let's just enjoy the ride:wink:

[scooby]

People have questioned the basis for some recent poor performances and rightly so. The concerns raised about team selection and formation have justly come to the fore in discussions on here. The loss in the cup final was a sickening blow for many ( for me 9 finals - 1 victory). It hurt a lot to come back from Glasgow with that all too familiar sense of loss.

The opinions people express are allowed to question, discuss and praise and debate. We can even be wrong about things! I think people need to develop a sense of perspective. There are plenty of posters on here that I like reading, but whose opinions I don't always share. As long as they have some rationale or logic to their case then all power to them

The victory at Inverness hasn't undone the past month or so, doubts will remain until this team is promoted. On the other hand, there is no question that these guys are a quality side, play good football and seem to have the character required to delight us, as well as confound us.

This season I've picked and choose my games. I've been to most of the big games and enjoyed them immensely, something I couldn't really honestly say since Collins 's demise. I still don't want to attend the bread and butter league games, but the positive things done at ER have inspired to buy into the share issue and Hibs TV for my laddies who live abroad.

Hibs are a passionate subject for us all and like women, there are many ways to love them. In fact I can see the parallels between my love life and the way I attend football.

Whatever will be will be, let's just enjoy the ride:wink:

Great post

[Hibernia&Alba]

People have questioned the basis for some recent poor performances and rightly so. The concerns raised about team selection and formation have justly come to the fore in discussions on here. The loss in the cup final was a sickening blow for many ( for me 9 finals - 1 victory). It hurt a lot to come back from Glasgow with that all too familiar sense of loss.

The opinions people express are allowed to question, discuss and praise and debate. We can even be wrong about things! I think people need to develop a sense of perspective. There are plenty of posters on here that I like reading, but whose opinions I don't always share. As long as they have some rationale or logic to their case then all power to them

The victory at Inverness hasn't undone the past month or so, doubts will remain until this team is promoted. On the other hand, there is no question that these guys are a quality side, play good football and seem to have the character required to delight us, as well as confound us.

This season I've picked and choose my games. I've been to most of the big games and enjoyed them immensely, something I couldn't really honestly say since Collins 's demise. I still don't want to attend the bread and butter league games, but the positive things done at ER have inspired to buy into the share issue and Hibs TV for my laddies who live abroad.

Hibs are a passionate subject for us all and like women, there are many ways to love them. In fact I can see the parallels between my love life and the way I attend football.

Whatever will be will be, let's just enjoy the ride:wink:

You get it once a month? :na na:

[Big L]

Some fair points, particularly the last bit regarding width and pace.

I have to say I like the system the huns and yams play with 2 wide men in a 4-3-3. Prefer it our narrow mid and diamond shape. It was obvious with AS recruitment wingers just don't figure.

[Billy Whizz]

I have to say I like the system the huns and yams play with 2 wide men in a 4-3-3. Prefer it our narrow mid and diamond shape. It was obvious with AS recruitment wingers just don't figure.

It's won the championship the last 2 seasons

[superfurryhibby]

You get it once a month? :na na:

Quality over quantity, the Stubbs way!

[Thecat23]

Not enough to get us automatic promotion last year, and miles off it this one. Would you not like to have been a bit luckier and won the cup, or beaten sevco to reach the play off last season? Maybe got lucky and beat Falkirk in the semi too, that would have brought in a lot of money and given us our best chance at winning that cup since Motherwell in the 50s, but i suppose they were lucky too?

Excuse after excuse is trotted out when we fail, i never for one moment thought we'd win last night, but thinking about it we were probably a shoe in to win, because thats what we do. We lose the big games that count, the games where we had a fantastic chance of silverware just to win the next game that gets everyones hopes back up again.

We know the script, its been written a million times before. Stubbs has not shown me he has the ability to break that mindset yet, maybe he needs to get lucky, or maybe he needs to see whats right in front of him at times and stop thinking it will right itself and play with a bit of width and pace when playing against teams that sit in.

Hibs were never winning the league last year. If anyone and I mean anyone thought after the state Butcher left us and Stubbs having 4 weeks to try get a squad in that could compete with Hearts after what they had and how they prepared well is just mental. Winning the odd Derby here and there was great but to do it week in week out was never happening.

As for the meaningless games statement, BH that's one of the most idiotic posts I've read in a while. That was a big game for **** sake. Most games are big for us.

I'm out now because your sounding more negative than ever before. If you have issues with Stubbs then fair dos, I've a few things I'd like addressed but you are just going off on a rant.

[blackpoolhibs]

Hibs were never winning the league last year. If anyone and I mean anyone thought after the state Butcher left us and Stubbs having 4 weeks to try get a squad in that could compete with Hearts after what they had and how they prepared well is just mental. Winning the odd Derby here and there was great but to do it week in week out was never happening.

As for the meaningless games statement, BH that's one of the most idiotic posts I've read in a while. That was a big game for **** sake. Most games are big for us.

I'm out now because your sounding more negative than ever before. If you have issues with Stubbs then fair dos, I've a few things I'd like addressed but you are just going off on a rant.

Aye right, how do you like being 6 points behind Falkirk in the 2nd tier, how long would any manager need to achieve that? Houston for Hibs, you read it here first. He clearly knows how to manage a budget much better than our manager, a much smaller budget at that.

[stantonhibby]

Aye right, how do you like being 6 points behind Falkirk in the 2nd tier, how long would any manager need to achieve that? Houston for Hibs, you read it here first. He clearly knows how to manage a budget much better than our manager, a much smaller budget at that.


Did you have that post drafted and ready to go at full time?