Hamas attack on Israel

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There’s folk chant stuff at the football every week that don’t know what they’re chanting about.

Like what? You mean the religious stuff Rangers and Celtic fans sing about? I guess you might be right there.

Some basic geographical knowledge of what you're chanting about at a pro-Palestine demo would seem appropriate though.

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Some basic geographical knowledge of what you're chanting about at a pro-Palestine demo would seem appropriate though.

Why would it? Why does it matter? If you can see war crimes and innocent children being murdered, why should you research geography before you can protest it?

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Why would it? Why does it matter? If you can see war crimes and innocent children being murdered, why should you research geography before you can protest it?

It doesn’t. I can remember hearing a work colleague arguing with another guy years back that just because he had visited South Africa and someone else didn’t it gave him more right to argue the case for apartheid. It clearly didn’t.

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Keir, Keir where art thou?

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Why would it? Why does it matter? If you can see war crimes and innocent children being murdered, why should you research geography before you can protest it?

The point being made wasn't about a right to protest, it was that if you chant from the river to the sea but then admit you have no idea which river or sea you're chanting about it makes you look pretty daft.

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Amid all the drama in the Commons yesterday around the chancellor's tears it probably went a bit unnoticed that the home secretary's draft to amend the Terrorism Act and and proscribe Palestine Action as a terrorist group passed by 385 votes to 26.

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Amid all the drama in the Commons yesterday around the chancellor's tears it probably went a bit unnoticed that the home secretary's draft to amend the Terrorism Actand and proscribe Palestine Action as a terrorist group passed by 385 votes to 26.

Do you think they are a terrorist group?


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The point being made wasn't about a right to protest, it was that if you chant from the river to the sea but then admit you have no idea which river or sea you're chanting about it makes you look pretty daft.

I don't think it does. It's just joining in the protest.

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I don't think it does. It's just joining in the protest.

No, we need exams on the basics of every issue so only clever people with good educations can protest anything.


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BBC journalists send letter to Director General complaining about bbc bias. Very interesting listen particularly Sir Robbie Gibbs role within the organisation. Absolutely scandalous it really is. Say again when top reporters like Maitlis and Sopel are leaving the organisation due to interference in their work you are in a dark place.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u2UDidfcdnk

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Do you think they are a terrorist group?


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I think their actions were moronic and dangerous and that a strong deterrent was required. Whether prescribing them a terrorist group is correct I'm not sure as I haven't read up the criteria required, but Cooper obviously felt she was on solid ground in doing so.

What I was pointing out was the ease with which the amendment sailed through the Commons. The agonising over the welfare reforms clearly came down to conscience for a lot of MPs, but while I thought the terrorism proscription might spark some resistance there was barely even a murmur.

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I think their actions were moronic and dangerous and that a strong deterrent was required. Whether prescribing them a terrorist group is correct I'm not sure as I haven't read up the criteria required, but Cooper obviously felt she was on solid ground in doing so.

What I was pointing out was the ease with which the amendment sailed through the Commons. The agonising over the welfare reforms clearly came down to conscience for a lot of MPs, but while I thought the terrorism proscription might spark some resistance there was barely even a murmur.

It’s always easy to attack protesters rather than take benefits away from people. Doesn’t signify the strength of their case though. Is protesting against the government now considered terrorism?


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I think their actions were moronic and dangerous and that a strong deterrent was required. Whether prescribing them a terrorist group is correct I'm not sure as I haven't read up the criteria required, but Cooper obviously felt she was on solid ground in doing so.

What I was pointing out was the ease with which the amendment sailed through the Commons. The agonising over the welfare reforms clearly came down to conscience for a lot of MPs, but while I thought the terrorism proscription might spark some resistance there was barely even a murmur.

What is dangerous about spraying paint?

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What is dangerous about spraying paint?

Even considering the fact they broke into an RAF base to do it, I don’t think spray painting an airplane quite qualifies as “using violence or the threat of violence against a person or property, designed to influence the government or intimidate the public, for the purpose of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause.”

Is spray paint violence against property? Be a lot of terrorists getting charged if so.


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Even considering the fact they broke into an RAF base to do it, I don’t think spray painting an airplane quite qualifies as “using violence or the threat of violence against a person or property, designed to influence the government or intimidate the public, for the purpose of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause.”

Is spray paint violence against property? Be a lot of terrorists getting charged if so.


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Here's Yvette Cooper's full proscription. Not hard to see why she's taken this action when you read the full 'rap sheet':

https://hansard.parliament.uk/common...onProscription

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What is dangerous about spraying paint?

Have a read through the full proscription I've just posted a link to. It's about a great deal more than spraying paint.

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Have a read through the full proscription I've just posted a link to. It's about a great deal more than spraying paint.

Answer the question, it's claimed above that the actions of Palestine Action at Brize Norton was dangerous, what is dangerous about their spraying paint?

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Answer the question, it's claimed above that the actions of Palestine Action at Brize Norton was dangerous, what is dangerous about their spraying paint?

Spray paint fumes can be dangerous due to the volatile organic compounds (VOCs) they release. Short-term exposure can cause irritation, headaches, and nausea, while long-term exposure may lead to liver, kidney, and nervous system damage, and even increase cancer risk. Proper ventilation and personal protective equipment are crucial to minimize risks.

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I don't think it does. It's just joining in the protest.

People should 'just join protests' regardless of whether they know what they're chanting about?

Being able to name the river and the sea doesn't require rarified levels of intelligence or a visit to the university library. Google would do the job in a few seconds. What struck me was that hadn't seemed to even cross the minds of those protesting to find out.

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Spray paint fumes can be dangerous due to the volatile organic compounds (VOCs) they release. Short-term exposure can cause irritation, headaches, and nausea, while long-term exposure may lead to liver, kidney, and nervous system damage, and even increase cancer risk. Proper ventilation and personal protective equipment are crucial to minimize risks.

🤣 so they were a danger to themselves! Isn't Google informative 🤔

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Spray paint fumes can be dangerous due to the volatile organic compounds (VOCs) they release. Short-term exposure can cause irritation, headaches, and nausea, while long-term exposure may lead to liver, kidney, and nervous system damage, and even increase cancer risk. Proper ventilation and personal protective equipment are crucial to minimize risks.

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🤣 so they were a danger to themselves! Isn't Google informative 🤔

If they had a braincell between them they'd be dangerous

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The Nazis used to paint Jewish businesses and properties in the 1930s, the act itself may not be dangerous but the consequnces were. At the end of the day its criminal damage, is it terrorist behavior? I think when it's against RAF planes that potentially need to be used at short notice to defend the country then it perhaps crosses a line. But it's ridiculous they got so close in the first place, security seriously failing.

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People should 'just join protests' regardless of whether they know what they're chanting about?

Being able to name the river and the sea doesn't require rarified levels of intelligence or a visit to the university library. Google would do the job in a few seconds. What struck me was that hadn't seemed to even cross the minds of those protesting to find out.

All of those protesting? Or just the ones shown? Did they ask lots of people but only show the ones that didn't know?

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Answer the question, it's claimed above that the actions of Palestine Action at Brize Norton was dangerous, what is dangerous about their spraying paint?

Not an aviation expert but I wouldn't want to fly in an engine that had been spray painted. Fwiw they shouldn't be proscribed as terrorists