Shooting in Granton

[Pretty Boy]

I happened to be in Hay Drive yesterday dropping my daughter at a birthday party. Her pal lives about 20 yards from one of the firebombed houses.

It's quite sobering to see it up close. We aren't talking a few burn marks on the door and a bit of soot on the outside wall. The house is literally half gone. Roof is completely off and burned out, windows are all burnt out and boarded up, part of the front wall has collapsed and the smoke damage is visible.

One of the other parents who was picking a kid up knows the next door neighbour, semi detached house, and they have severe smoke and water damage. The family who were having the party has to be evacuated from their house at silly o'clock in the morning when it all kicked off. That's no way for anyone to be living.

If drug dealers want to kill each other then carry on. The absolute scourge of schemes and communities and the world is better without them but there is far too much collateral damage. It might not be deaths yet but that going on a couple of doors down has an impact. People are entitled to feel safe in their beds at night rather than being caught up in a long running dick measuring contest.

[Jones28]

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That's a brilliant idea about the shops, would stop underage buying too if ID was needed unlike some shops, also stop impulse buying, going in for bread and coming out with a 6 pack for the sake of it

In New Zealand they had specialist booze shops like this, they were fantastic with massive chilled rooms to keep things cool.

I didn't know that the minimum price wasn't a tax? I assumed it was like VAT, but it just means Tesco make a bigger margin?

What a ****ing stupid idea

[Ozyhibby]

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In New Zealand they had specialist booze shops like this, they were fantastic with massive chilled rooms to keep things cool.

I didn't know that the minimum price wasn't a tax? I assumed it was like VAT, but it just means Tesco make a bigger margin?

What a ****ing stupid idea

The UK govt would not let it be a tax. The SG asked.
The policy has been a success though in reducing alcohol sales.


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[CropleyWasGod]

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In New Zealand they had specialist booze shops like this, they were fantastic with massive chilled rooms to keep things cool.

I didn't know that the minimum price wasn't a tax? I assumed it was like VAT, but it just means Tesco make a bigger margin?

What a ****ing stupid idea

The premise is that consumption reduces, so Tesco sell less.

[Stairway 2 7]

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The UK govt would not let it be a tax. The SG asked.
The policy has been a success though in reducing alcohol sales.


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I don't think it has. Alcohol consumption has slowed at an almost constant pace for the last 20 years but rose sharply in the last full year 22/23.

We've had record alcohol deaths and drug deaths seven years from it starting.

[Stairway 2 7]

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The premise is that consumption reduces, so Tesco sell less.

Consumption was higher in 22 than it was in 18 when MUP was introduced. It would have to have reduced further than the price rise percentage for them not to make more profit

[CropleyWasGod]

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Consumption was higher in 22 than it was in 18 when MUP was introduced. It would have to have reduced further than the price rise percentage for them not to make more profit

The debate, though, is more nuanced than just sales. It's about the "problem-drinking", and the related costs to the NHS. I'd like to see a proper study that measures that, and over a longer period.

It's a policy that, IMO, would need a generation to measure.

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[Stairway 2 7]

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The debate, though, is more nuanced than just sales. It's about the "problem-drinking", and the related costs to the NHS. I'd like to see a proper study that measures that, and over a longer period.

It's a policy that, IMO, would need a generation to measure.

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It will perhaps take longer but Scottish Government found no significant increase or decrease in the levels problem drinkers drunk over a five year period it studied.

I think it's nieve to think an increase in price will stop addicts, addicts will often lose their homes jobs and families without stopping. Support is the only answer in my opinion.

The good thing is youth drinking numbers have decreased at a quite steady and fast pace for the last 30 years, so I think a reduction will be baked in for decades. Good on them it can only be good for Scotlands health

[Coach Jon]

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It will perhaps take longer but Scottish Government found no significant increase or decrease in the levels problem drinkers drunk over a five year period it studied.

I think it's nieve to think an increase in price will stop addicts, addicts will often lose their homes jobs and families without stopping. Support is the only answer in my opinion.

The good thing is youth drinking numbers have decreased at a quite steady and fast pace for the last 30 years, so I think a reduction will be baked in for decades. Good on them it can only be good for Scotlands health

Youth drinking numbers have decreased because youngsters are now turning to drugs which are now much cheaper and easier to access than alcohol.
Scotland now has the worst drug problem in Europe, no wonder dealers are battling for a share..

[Billy Whizz]

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The premise is that consumption reduces, so Tesco sell less.

Possibly, but their margin is increasing significantly. Was it not a 30% rise per unit last year. That’s one helluva increase

I find it incredible that the increase goes to the retailer, and not back as a tax
What a waste of an opportunity

[Stairway 2 7]

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Youth drinking numbers have decreased because youngsters are now turning to drugs which are now much cheaper and easier to access than alcohol.
Scotland now has the worst drug problem in Europe, no wonder dealers are battling for a share..

Teens that say they have taken drugs is also down to its lowest point. Think they young people i know definitely don't have the same drinking culture as my generation. Think that most of the drug deaths are due to Benzos. I don't think that is an issue for your average youngster.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Possibly, but their margin is increasing significantly. Was it not a 30% rise per unit last year. That’s one helluva increase

I find it incredible that the increase goes to the retailer, and not back as a tax
What a waste of an opportunity

There was little opportunity for taxation, though.

All the taxes involved (VAT, Corporation Tax, alcohol duty), on the supermarkets and large retailers, are reserved to the UKG.

The only slight departure from that would be the small independent retailers who are unincorporated and pay Income Tax.

[Stairway 2 7]

Since we can't make a profit, the government owned alcohol shops makes more sense. The supermarkets would kick off but their profits are obscene as is

[Billy Whizz]

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There was little opportunity for taxation, though.

All the taxes involved (VAT, Corporation Tax, alcohol duty), on the supermarkets and large retailers, are reserved to the UKG.

The only slight departure from that would be the small independent retailers who are unincorporated and pay Income Tax.

I’m not doubting that, just topping up muti million Retail giants isn’t the answer
I like the idea of the “government shops” though

[CropleyWasGod]

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I’m not doubting that, just topping up muti million Retail giants isn’t the answer
I like the idea of the “government shops” though

We might have this conversation in 20 years. It's too soon to have it now IMO.