Hamas attack on Israel

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Both vile regimes.

Even under the current Israeli government, your life would be immeasurably more liberated than in Iran, especially if you're a woman or gay.

To put that in context, Israel is the only Middle Eastern country to offer legal protections for LGBT+ people (Tel Aviv's Pride parade is among the biggest in the world), while in Iran homosexuality remains punishable by death. Iranian legislation also allows the imposition of the death penalty on women who defy the compulsory veiling laws.

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Even under the current Israeli government, your life would be immeasurably more liberated than in Iran, especially if you're a woman or gay.

To put that in context, Israel is the only Middle Eastern country to offer legal protections for LGBT+ people (Tel Aviv's Pride parade is among the biggest in the world), while in Iran homosexuality remains punishable by death. Iranian legislation also allows the imposition of the death penalty on women who defy the compulsory veiling laws.

But if your one of the 10k Palestinian bairns slaughtered, not so liberated

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Even under the current Israeli government, your life would be immeasurably more liberated than in Iran, especially if you're a woman or gay.

To put that in context, Israel is the only Middle Eastern country to offer legal protections for LGBT+ people (Tel Aviv's Pride parade is among the biggest in the world), while in Iran homosexuality remains punishable by death. Iranian legislation also allows the imposition of the death penalty on women who defy the compulsory veiling laws.

There’s only one of those regimes committing genocide at present. Don’t use ‘whitabootery’ to let the far right maniacs leading Israel off the hook.

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Russia and Israel are the root of all evil.

That's quite the exaggeration when it comes to Israel. How about China under Mao (nearly 50 million killed)? The Nazi Holocaust (14 million dead)? The Soviet Union under Stalin (13 million dead)? The Khmer Rouge/Pol Pot? Or more recently the genocides in Rwanda and Darfur? Israel's current (democratically elected) government is hard line and their current actions polarise opinion, but the country has consistently found itself fighting to preserve the Middle East's only Jewish state. There's a lot of focus on 1948 being the start of the Arab/Israeli conflict, but Jews have been one of the most consistently persecuted races in history and their battle against anti-Semitism in the region goes back many centuries.

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Russia and Israel are the root of all evil.

How many more innocent people must die for the purposes of land grabbing?

this is absolute horse ****.

Israel, as it exists today, is a direct and more-or-less deliberate result of Europe outsourcing its massive anti-semitism problem onto the middle east, whilst in the process turning an utterly devastated and traumatised population into an attack dog for the purposes of western interests. It needn't have been done this way, and the fact that it was is almost entirely the west's fault. This isn't to say that the west is the root of all evil - i think that root can be found in people all over the world. that is, the impulse towards imperialism, and the willingness of populations to turn a blind eye to it when it suits them to do so.

i'll give you this though - Netenyahu and Putin are evil.

[Smartie]

Talk of there being all sorts going on at the G7 - Americans falling out with folk left, right and centre.

It'll be the G6 after this...

Incredibly tense and hostile, instead of it being the G7, the Chinese, Indians, Mexicans and others are there too. "Americans not reading the room" seemingly.

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That's quite the exaggeration when it comes to Israel. How about China under Mao (nearly 50 million killed)? The Nazi Holocaust (14 million dead)? The Soviet Union under Stalin (13 million dead)? The Khmer Rouge/Pol Pot? Or more recently the genocides in Rwanda and Darfur? Israel's current (democratically elected) government is hard line and their current actions polarise opinion, but the country has consistently found itself fighting to preserve the Middle East's only Jewish state. There's a lot of focus on 1948 being the start of the Arab/Israeli conflict, but Jews have been one of the most consistently persecuted races in history and their battle against anti-Semitism in the region goes back many centuries.

Some crown for Netanyahu, you're not as bad as Pol Pot. Israel is certainly an evil regime. Being persecuted doesn't mean you deliberately flatten areas when you have the most precise weapons in the world. Thousands of children butchered in revenge of having the wrong regime in charge of them.

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Some crown for Netanyahu, you're not as bad as Pol Pot. Israel is certainly an evil regime. Being persecuted doesn't mean you deliberately flatten areas when you have the most precise weapons in the world. Thousands of children butchered in revenge of having the wrong regime in charge of them.

There's only so much precision possible when (as another poster pointed out a few days ago) the terrorists you're targeting embed themselves in civilian infrastructure - thereby increasing civilian casualties for propaganda purposes.

Extremists on both sides, no question, but Hamas too often get a free pass for the misery they've deliberately manufactured for the people they claim to represent.

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There's only so much precision possible when (as another poster pointed out a few days ago) the terrorists you're targeting embed themselves in civilian infrastructure - thereby increasing civilian casualties for propaganda purposes.

Extremists on both sides, no question, but Hamas too often get a free pass for the misery they've deliberately manufactured for the people they claim to represent.

Bollocks quite frankly. Have you seen drone footage flown over raffa, every building hit for miles. Hamas weren't hiding in every home it's a disgusting cop out. EMN in the US estimate Israel has dropped 100,000 tons of bombs on gaza or 100 kiloton. The Hiroshima bomb was 15 kiloton so roughly the equivalent of seven dropped on Gaza. The footage of burning refugee tents and limbless kids must be hiding the Hamas military behind them

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There's only so much precision possible when (as another poster pointed out a few days ago) the terrorists you're targeting embed themselves in civilian infrastructure - thereby increasing civilian casualties for propaganda purposes.

Extremists on both sides, no question, but Hamas too often get a free pass for the misery they've deliberately manufactured for the people they claim to represent.

Propaganda purposes. Sure...

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Some crown for Netanyahu, you're not as bad as Pol Pot. Israel is certainly an evil regime. Being persecuted doesn't mean you deliberately flatten areas when you have the most precise weapons in the world. Thousands of children butchered in revenge of having the wrong regime in charge of them.

Spot on.

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Bollocks quite frankly. Have you seen drone footage flown over raffa, every building hit for miles. Hamas weren't hiding in every home it's a disgusting cop out. EMN in the US estimate Israel has dropped 100,000 tons of bombs on gaza or 100 kiloton. The Hiroshima bomb was 15 kiloton so roughly the equivalent of seven dropped on Gaza. The footage of burning refugee tents and limbless kids must be hiding the Hamas military behind them

Hamas couldn't care less about the Palestinian civilians. They've got exactly what they wanted out of this conflict - a conflict they could actually end pretty much immediately if they were so minded.

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Hamas couldn't care less about the Palestinian civilians. They've got exactly what they wanted out of this conflict - a conflict they could actually end pretty much immediately if they were so minded.

Both things can be true. Hamas have no interest in the welfare of Palestinians and only interested in fighting the Israelis in a holy war so long as Iran keeps funding it as well as Israeli behaviour towards the Palestinian people being absolutely despicable over a couple of generations now.
For there to be any progress anywhere though I do think there will need to be regime change in Iran. Followed by a new govt in Isreal committed to a peaceful two state solution. In that order or it won’t happen. So long as Iran threatens Isreal then the hardliners will always be strong.


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this is absolute horse ****.

Israel, as it exists today, is a direct and more-or-less deliberate result of Europe outsourcing its massive anti-semitism problem onto the middle east, whilst in the process turning an utterly devastated and traumatised population into an attack dog for the purposes of western interests. It needn't have been done this way, and the fact that it was is almost entirely the west's fault. This isn't to say that the west is the root of all evil - i think that root can be found in people all over the world. that is, the impulse towards imperialism, and the willingness of populations to turn a blind eye to it when it suits them to do so.

i'll give you this though - Netenyahu and Putin are evil.

A lot of fair points there. In (relatively) modern terms this goes back to the Balfour Declaration. The idea of a Jewish homeland was a fair one but very clumsily handled, in particular the ultimate division of land in such a historically contested region.

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Both things can be true. Hamas have no interest in the welfare of Palestinians and only interested in fighting the Israelis in a holy war so long as Iran keeps funding it as well as Israeli behaviour towards the Palestinian people being absolutely despicable over a couple of generations now.
For there to be any progress anywhere though I do think there will need to be regime change in Iran. Followed by a new govt in Isreal committed to a peaceful two state solution. In that order or it won’t happen. So long as Iran threatens Isreal then the hardliners will always be strong.


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Absolutely. Cutting off Iranian funds to Hamas would be a major step in the right direction.

[jamie_1875]

Interestingly a lot of the Iranian bot accounts on X seemed to have suddenly stopped 4 days ago.

[Bishop Hibee]

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Absolutely. Cutting off Iranian funds to Hamas would be a major step in the right direction.

It didn’t make a difference to Netanyahu when the Oslo Peace Accord was signed. He was still vehemently against it and will only accept ‘peace’ when Gaza and the West Bank are part of a greater Israel. If he’d supported peace then along with the other far right warmongers, Hamas would have been sidelined.

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A lot of fair points there. In (relatively) modern terms this goes back to the Balfour Declaration. The idea of a Jewish homeland was a fair one but very clumsily handled, in particular the ultimate division of land in such a historically contested region.

i wouldn't use the word 'clumsy', they knew exactly what they were doing when they sent the black and tans over to Isreal, asking them to create 'a little loyal Ulster in the Middle East'. Isreal is the way it is quite deliberately, and it was Europe and the US that made sure that was the case.

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Interestingly a lot of the Iranian bot accounts on X seemed to have suddenly stopped 4 days ago.

This is a world with which I’m unfamiliar.

What sort of messages were Iranian X accounts responsible for spreading?

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This is a world with which I’m unfamiliar.

What sort of messages were Iranian X accounts responsible for spreading?

Lots across the political spectrum mainly promoting far right rhetoric, but a small number also "supporting" Scottish Independence. All last posted 4 days ago.

An example.

https://x.com/jakeq9170?t=5pxT4cqlmY5rTlMkORh1Yg&s=09

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Israel is doing the 'dirty work' for all of us, German Chancellor says

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx23...cfd19b513#post

If the reports are true that Trump's on the brink of sending in US support for Israel in Iran, those comments from Merz indicate he'll have widespread support.