Hamas attack on Israel

[Kato]

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Genocidal fanatics stage a raid on a neighbouring country they despise, taking out as many of its citizens as they can, then claim their neighbours are the genocidal ones when they come to hunt them down. Other people buy into this.

That would be my take on it.

"Come to hunt them down" seems to be a blunt, broad term there.

There are genocidal maniacs on both sides of that situation. The Palastinians have Hamas who are fanatics and the Israelis have a fundamental element whose religious book warrants genocide and gives instructions from their God to do so.

They are both sick in the head.

The Irish situation started to seem more resolvable once terms like "men of violence" started to be used. The term would be useful here but I understand it doesn't suit either sides agenda or those who seek to profit from it.

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...fending-israel

UK jets heading to the region.

[JimBHibees]

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Iran is a fundamentalist dictatorship. Whatever you feel about their current government, Israel is a parliamentary democracy (the only one in the Middle East) and an indispensable strategic ally to the West.

Democratic governments and dictatorships appear a bit more blurred given recent events

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Or perhaps a useful reminder of the fact that this supposed genocide was triggered by a mass terrorist attack involving the slaughter of civilians and the taking of hostages? Terrorists who embed themselves within and below civilian infrastructure, content to increase civilian casualties for propaganda purposes. Hamas knew fine well the consequences of their actions and appear to care not a jot for the people they're purported to 'govern'.

Supposed genocide ffs

[DinkyTwo]

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Who’s the European state?

Not sure if that's a serious question, but they no longer exist. The allies defeated them and their plans of expansionism to take over Europe in WW2

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It's not quite as simple as that is it . Israel has been under attack for the entirety of its existence. They had to learn to fight or there wouldn't be an Israel today .

As well as the excellent BBC series mentioned the Netflix documentary Inside The Mossad goes deep into exactly that steely determination to fend off threats to Israel's statehood. In addition the pursuit of Nazis, particularly thee way they brought Adolf Eichmann to justice, is compelling stuff.

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As well as the excellent BBC series mentioned the Netflix documentary Inside The Mossad goes deep into exactly that steely determination to fend off threats to Israel's statehood. In addition the pursuit of Nazis, particularly thee way they brought Adolf Eichmann to justice, is compelling stuff.

The biggest threat to Israeli statehood are the genocidal extremists leading Israel at present.

[DinkyTwo]

Iranians starting to flee Tehran today.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/06/15/m...i-strikes-intl

Guess without the protection of an 'iron dome', state of the art bomb shelters and warning systems, safest thing to do is just leave.

Iranian experts have said that by attacking residential areas in Iran, Israel has “crossed the Rubicon” – or passed the point of no return – and is inviting attacks of the same kind from Tehran.

“We don’t support the Iranian regime, but we are against Israel attacking residential areas and civilians,” said an older male Tehran resident. “If Israel is against Iran’s nuclear program and military capabilities, they should target those areas and not create another situation like what is happening in Gaza.”

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Unlike Israel, Iran’s capital Tehran doesn’t have modern bomb shelters, so the city must make use of tunnels, basements or older shelters used in the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s – the last time the country faced such a grave national emergency.

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[The Tubs]

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Iranians starting to flee Tehran today.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/06/15/m...i-strikes-intl

Guess without the protection of an 'iron dome', state of the art bomb shelters and warning systems, safest thing to do is just leave.





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Aye. Cheers, Israel. Farage, Le Pen, etc. must be licking their lips at the idea of more refugees they can kick up **** about.

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Iranians starting to flee Tehran today.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/06/15/m...i-strikes-intl

Guess without the protection of an 'iron dome', state of the art bomb shelters and warning systems, safest thing to do is just leave.

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From the New York Times:

As criticism within Iran of the regime’s handling of the crisis begins to surface, it is likely to find itself under pressure to explain its inability to defend the nation from Israel’s assault, despite the vast sums it claims to have spent upgrading the Iranian military.
Private text messages shared with The New York Times reveal that some Iranian officials are questioning why Iran’s air defences have not been more effective in repelling Israel’s attacks, which hit its arsenal of ballistic missiles and assassinated senior figures in Tehran’s military chain of command.

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https://skwawkbox.org/2025/06/15/vid...tanyahu-hides/

Iron dome isn't able to cope.

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Aye. Cheers, Israel. Farage, Le Pen, etc. must be licking their lips at the idea of more refugees they can kick up **** about.

Anyone looking for a good guy/bad guy narrative here should be aware that Iran don't qualify as good guys.

This is what has sparked Israel's attack on their nuclear facilities:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce3v6w2qr12o

The US has been in talks with Iran for two months to try and end its uranium enrichment, but like most of Trump's attempts to negotiate peaceful solutions it's been all talk with few tangible results. Israel knows fine well that they'd be the first target of a weaponised Iran so has taken decisive action.

Iran's proxies Hezbollah were responsible for keeping the Assad regime in power in Syria for so long, while Iran has also provided Putin with plenty of support in his war against Ukraine. Whatever criticism Israel may merit, it's hard to feel any pity for Iran, whose nuclear ambitions would provide a threat to us all.

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https://skwawkbox.org/2025/06/15/vid...tanyahu-hides/

Iron dome isn't able to cope.

Iran can’t sustain this level of attack either though.


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Anyone looking for a good guy/bad guy narrative here should be aware that Iran don't qualify as good guys.

This is what has sparked Israel's attack on their nuclear facilities:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce3v6w2qr12o

The US has been in talks with Iran for two months to try and end its uranium enrichment, but like most of Trump's attempts to negotiate peaceful solutions it's been all talk with few tangible results. Israel knows fine well that they'd be the first target of a weaponised Iran so has taken decisive action.

Iran's proxies Hezbollah were responsible for keeping the Assad regime in power in Syria for so long, while Iran has also provided Putin with plenty of support in his war against Ukraine. Whatever criticism Israel may merit, it's hard to feel any pity for Iran, whose nuclear ambitions would provide a threat to us all.

So only the west get to decide who is able to get the new toys. That seems fair. Given many international problems have in the main been started or instigated by the west through things like regime change, colonial actions from the past seems ever so slightly hypocritical

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So only the west get to decide who is able to get the new toys. That seems fair. Given many international problems have in the main been started or instigated by the west through things like regime change, colonial actions from the past seems ever so slightly hypocritical

Cool heads are needed from the West for sure, but to just let Iran go ahead and build nuclear weapons would be madness.

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Cool heads are needed from the West for sure, but to just let Iran go ahead and build nuclear weapons would be madness.

Especially as they are committed to use it when they get it.


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[DinkyTwo]

This all has an Iraq weapons of mass destruction version 2 feel to it.

In other words, an excuse to start a war that instigates a regime change.

Destabilising Iran conveniently paves the way for Israel taking control of the remaining Palestinian land without fear of repercussion.

Obviously a bit of a guess on my part, but I've seen enough to be skeptical of the motives here.

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This all has an Iraq weapons of mass destruction version 2 feel to it.

In other words, an excuse to start a war that instigates a regime change.

Destabilising Iran conveniently paves the way for Israel taking control of the remaining Palestinian land without fear of repercussion.

Obviously a bit of a guess on my part, but I've seen enough to be skeptical of the motives here.

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I'm sure the International atomic agency says Iran has enriched Uranium to 60-80% you only need as high as 5% for power usage, so if you believe them then they are definitely at it

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This all has an Iraq weapons of mass destruction version 2 feel to it.

In other words, an excuse to start a war that instigates a regime change.

Destabilising Iran conveniently paves the way for Israel taking control of the remaining Palestinian land without fear of repercussion.

Obviously a bit of a guess on my part, but I've seen enough to be skeptical of the motives here.

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The only fear Isreal has of Iran is nuclear. The reality is that after oct 7 the Israeli’s have decided that they no longer wish to live with the threats from Iran’s proxies. And the only real way to deal with that is to change the regime in Iran. They know Hamas and Hezbollah will be able to reconstitute in time if Iran is allowed to keep funding them. The need to go after Iran.


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This all has an Iraq weapons of mass destruction version 2 feel to it.

In other words, an excuse to start a war that instigates a regime change.

Destabilising Iran conveniently paves the way for Israel taking control of the remaining Palestinian land without fear of repercussion.

Obviously a bit of a guess on my part, but I've seen enough to be skeptical of the motives here.

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It's the International Atomic Energy Association which has found Iran in breach of its nuclear proliferation agreement. That's a global watchdog comprising something like 40 members. This isn't some sketchy allegation.

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I'm sure the International atomic agency says Iran has enriched Uranium to 60-80% you only need as high as 5% for power usage, so if you believe them then they are definitely at it

Actually, you know what, this has forced me to do a bit more reading up on the subject.

I think I've let my disgust at the treatment of Palestine cloud my judgement a bit. Seems like Iran have been working to create nuclear weapons for years and their intention of what they plan to do with them is unclear at best.

Seems to be one of those situations where both parties (Israel and Iran) are going to come out of it stinking of ****.

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[DinkyTwo]

Fair enough guys, appreciate the info and I've educated myself a bit better on the subject.

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Fair enough guys, appreciate the info and I've educated myself a bit better on the subject.

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Totally get it, with the Israeli and Iranian Governments it's a bit like do you want a poke in the eye or kick in the baws, both a bunch of lunatics

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The only fear Isreal has of Iran is nuclear. The reality is that after oct 7 the Israeli’s have decided that they no longer wish to live with the threats from Iran’s proxies. And the only real way to deal with that is to change the regime in Iran. They know Hamas and Hezbollah will be able to reconstitute in time if Iran is allowed to keep funding them. The need to go after Iran.


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I think this hits the nail on the head. Isreal simply won’t be left in peace (I’m not getting involved in the debate as to whether or not they want peace) whilst Iran is run by the current regime, funding and organising various regionalised terror groups who are anti Israeli.

The poster you quoted compared it to the Iraq war which I simply can’t agree with. This isn’t a far off country 2 thousand miles away from Isreal. Iran are on their doorstep and willing them destroyed. It’s the means to do so that Iran lack and I don’t blame Isreal for stopping them from gaining those means.

I also think the fall of the Iranian regime would be a very good thing for the Palestinians. Become free from Hamas and any future military action from Isreal will be much more black and white in terms of not being justifiable.

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Totally get it, with the Israeli and Iranian Governments it's a bit like do you want a poke in the eye or kick in the baws, both a bunch of lunatics

Both vile regimes.

[Stairway 2 7]

Both vile regimes for sure and im happy Iranian nuclear facilities are getting a pounding but it's by a regime that is commuting a genocide. Yes Israel had the right to hit military targets after October 7th but they are flattening residential areas in a nation they have been commuting genocide on for decades. I don't see a way out like Northern Ireland as all regimes near and including Israel would exterminate each other

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The only fear Isreal has of Iran is nuclear. The reality is that after oct 7 the Israeli’s have decided that they no longer wish to live with the threats from Iran’s proxies. And the only real way to deal with that is to change the regime in Iran. They know Hamas and Hezbollah will be able to reconstitute in time if Iran is allowed to keep funding them. The need to go after Iran.


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Sadly, I think this is exactly right.

Really is a much more dangerous two cheeks situation with much deadlier consequences for a number of innocents caught in the crossfire.

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[Hibs4185]

As above, the sooner Russia and Iran are defeated, the sooner the world returns to some sort of normality. Their influence is behind a lot of world events.

[WestStandWillie]

Russia and Israel are the root of all evil.

How many more innocent people must die for the purposes of land grabbing?

[Smartie]

Rather than blame the nations themselves, the current regimes in charge of Israel, Iran, Russia and the USA are unfortunately total headbangers that the citizens of their respective countries would be well rid of.

Anything resembling sensible adults in charge of these countries would see the world be a much better and safer place.

A place where the human rights abuses of the likes of the Saudis and the Chinese were near the top of the problem list, as they should be.


There are pretty big tensions between all the factions right now and the US look primed to get more involved in Iran. Unless Trump (a coward, who does love a u-turn) can be talked round then it could be getting ugly there, soon. Seemingly he quite fancied being in control of the Iranian oil but the conflict there is seeing him finding himself being pulled between his two big man crushes - Putin and Netanyahu.