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[Ozyhibby]

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I'm not casting nasturtiums but the corruption at the highest level in Spain is astonishing ; recently, 20,000,000 Euros was found hidden in the walls of a former anti drugs chief's home

near Madrid. Plus more in his office elsewhere. It must sicken decent police and investigators throughout the country.

The drug cartels have people inside Police Scotland as well.


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[Ozyhibby]

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Short explainer here.


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[superfurryhibby]

Another chapter in the gang feuds in the Inch. Shooting, drive by, at the Inch, off Walter Scott Avenue. House still cordoned off by the Police.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news...treet-31855425

[Ozyhibby]

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Another chapter in the gang feuds in the Inch. Shooting, drive by, at the Inch, off Walter Scott Avenue. House still cordoned off by the Police.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news...treet-31855425

Police Scotland need to hold firm here and direct even more resources towards operation Branchform. The public can handle the odd shoot out so long as we know they are going to get Sturgeon.


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Police Scotland need to hold firm here and direct even more resources towards operation Branchform. The public can handle the odd shoot out so long as we know they are going to get Sturgeon.


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Not sure what the last part of your final sentence means?

[Paul1642]

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Not sure what the last part of your final sentence means?

Looks like he’s suggesting that our national police force of 16.5k officers is incapable of handling two separate enquiries at once, and should drop every other crime in the county to focus entirely on the current gang feud.

[Ozyhibby]

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Looks like he’s suggesting that our national police force of 16.5k officers is incapable of handling two separate enquiries at once, and should drop every other crime in the county to focus entirely on the current gang feud.

20 year old gang feud.


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[hibee]

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Another chapter in the gang feuds in the Inch. Shooting, drive by, at the Inch, off Walter Scott Avenue. House still cordoned off by the Police.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news...treet-31855425

House in Tranent set on fire at 6pm too, no concern for the other terraced houses attached to their target either.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/new...fired-at-home/

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20 year old gang feud.


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Literally nothing to do with Sturgeon. Why you'd even mention that is baffling.

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Looks like he’s suggesting that our national police force of 16.5k officers is incapable of handling two separate enquiries at once, and should drop every other crime in the county to focus entirely on the current gang feud.

It was poorly worded. I thought he was maybe suggesting the public would be happy if the people carrying out the shootings “got Sturgeon”.

[Ozyhibby]

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It was poorly worded. I thought he was maybe suggesting the public would be happy if the people carrying out the shootings “got Sturgeon”.

Or maybe our police force are focusing on the wrong things?
Shoot outs and fire bombings, murders etc but let’s spend £2m on investigating NS?


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Or maybe our police force are focusing on the wrong things?
Shoot outs and fire bombings, murders etc but let’s spend £2m on investigating NS?


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So what's your criteria for potential crimes being investigated or not?

[Hibspur]

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So what's your criteria for potential crimes being investigated or not?

Police should presumably just turn a blind eye to allegations (and subsequent charges) of embezzlement of SNP funds by its chief executive. Why should anyone care about that? They're only the people running the country after all.

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Police should presumably just turn a blind eye to allegations (and subsequent charges) of embezzlement of SNP funds by its chief executive. Why should anyone care about that? They're only the people running the country after all.

Fair play. People houses getting fire bombed and shoot outs in housing schemes is no problem.


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Fair play. People houses getting fire bombed and shoot outs in housing schemes is no problem.


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Except it is a problem, hence why there is a large operation well underway (Portledge), cycle paths being searched with a fine tooth comb resulting in firearms being recovered, and at least 44 arrests made.

“ More than 8,000 homes have been visited and over 1,600 vehicles stopped as part of the current investigation” - somewhat trumps a motorhome being seized and a couple of corrupt politicians being arrested.

The police are also limited by the fact that the biggest players calling the shots, are all doing so from Dubai.

You’re coming across as having a massive chip on your shoulder, and trying way to hard to connect two completely unconnected enquiries.

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Fair play. People houses getting fire bombed and shoot outs in housing schemes is no problem.


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I don't actually understand your point. Has there been a suggestion that this investigation is in some way compromised by the probe into SNP finances?! That would be news to me.

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I don't actually understand your point. Has there been a suggestion that this investigation is in some way compromised by the probe into SNP finances?! That would be news to me.

Given these gangs have been at each other for 20 years I am suggesting that Police Scotland appear not to be on top of the situation.


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Except it is a problem, hence why there is a large operation well underway (Portledge), cycle paths being searched with a fine tooth comb resulting in firearms being recovered, and at least 44 arrests made.

“ More than 8,000 homes have been visited and over 1,600 vehicles stopped as part of the current investigation” - somewhat trumps a motorhome being seized and a couple of corrupt politicians being arrested.

The police are also limited by the fact that the biggest players calling the shots, are all doing so from Dubai.

You’re coming across as having a massive chip on your shoulder, and trying way to hard to connect two completely unconnected enquiries.

Hard to imagine a similar accusation of police time being wasted if the charges related to Labour or Tory embezzlement 😉

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Given these gangs have been at each other for 20 years I am suggesting that Police Scotland appear not to be on top of the situation.


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I've asked a friend in the Polis the very same question, he stated that they know exactly who is doing what but proving it is another matter

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I've asked a friend in the Polis the very same question, he stated that they know exactly who is doing what but proving it is another matter

Which was my point a few posts back. Criminals know how the police operate and the evidence they need. Doing the crime is one thing but prosecuting it is another story.

Without sounding hitler-esque, I wonder if the police could have emergency powers, perhaps approved by the court to avoid Trump-esque tactics, in order to arrest those they know are involved and hold them for a certain amount of time to allow things to die down.

I know the ethics behind is controversial but the police are fighting a losing battle and there has to be some deterrence to those who are instigating it

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Which was my point a few posts back. Criminals know how the police operate and the evidence they need. Doing the crime is one thing but prosecuting it is another story.

Without sounding hitler-esque, I wonder if the police could have emergency powers, perhaps approved by the court to avoid Trump-esque tactics, in order to arrest those they know are involved and hold them for a certain amount of time to allow things to die down.

I know the ethics behind is controversial but the police are fighting a losing battle and there has to be some deterrence to those who are instigating it

I think it would solve the problem, but it also opens up a massive can of worms that we shouldn’t open.

Also, as I mentioned in a previous post, many of those calling the shots are in Dubai, whom we don’t have an extradition agreement with.

In my opinion the solution is maximum sentencing. We saw it with the Southport riots, people getting the jail for offences that would normally warrant a few hours community service. It worked and the riots halted pretty swiftly.

I personally feel that crimes like machete attacks and petrol bombing should warrant massive jail times at the best of times, but a partial solution to this gang war would be any crime that is proven at court and can be attributed to the gang war, receives the maximum possible sentencing for that crime type.

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I think it would solve the problem, but it also opens up a massive can of worms that we shouldn’t open.

Also, as I mentioned in a previous post, many of those calling the shots are in Dubai, whom we don’t have an extradition agreement with.

In my opinion the solution is maximum sentencing. We saw it with the Southport riots, people getting the jail for offences that would normally warrant a few hours community service. It worked and the riots halted pretty swiftly.

I personally feel that crimes like machete attacks and petrol bombing should warrant massive jail times at the best of times, but a partial solution to this gang war would be any crime that is proven at court and can be attributed to the gang war, receives the maximum possible sentencing for that crime type.

Any crime linked to organised crime should carry a massive extra tariff.


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What nation has got a control of drug gangs. They are a spiders web, if you take out one person there are hundreds more, take out a leader and someone takes over the web.

Most of this is backed by Kinahans Ireland had dozens of murders and still have no control of it. Sweden is being swamped by bombings and grenade attacks, Germany having a problem with cocaine wars.

What do we do, go down Philippines route with the death penalty, America with the amount of drug gang prisoners in the world but with no luck. I doubt police Scotland has much chance without decriminalisation from Westminster

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What nation has got a control of drug gangs. They are a spiders web, if you take out one person there are hundreds more, take out a leader and someone takes over the web.

Most of this is backed by Kinahans Ireland had dozens of murders and still have no control of it. Sweden is being swamped by bombings and grenade attacks, Germany having a problem with cocaine wars.

What do we do, go down Philippines route with the death penalty, America with the amount of drug gang prisoners in the world but with no luck. I doubt police Scotland has much chance without decriminalisation from Westminster

I never really considered de-criminalising but logically it seems like the only option. Habe controlled areas where you can go and get what you want.

Whilst we are on it, I think they should take alcohol out of supermarkets which is a **** for me but the government makes no money from minimum pricing. If we had licensed shops that sold alcohol, the government can benefit from the extra profit and use the funds towards NHS etc instead of lining supermarket pockets.

I think in Sweden you have to go to special shops for anything stronger than alcohol.

Plus there are so many empty shops in high streets etc that everyone would be neat enough to one to get alcohol and might bring footfall back to some areas. Solves empty shops and problem drinking!

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I never really considered de-criminalising but logically it seems like the only option. Habe controlled areas where you can go and get what you want.

Whilst we are on it, I think they should take alcohol out of supermarkets which is a **** for me but the government makes no money from minimum pricing. If we had licensed shops that sold alcohol, the government can benefit from the extra profit and use the funds towards NHS etc instead of lining supermarket pockets.

I think in Sweden you have to go to special shops for anything stronger than alcohol.

Plus there are so many empty shops in high streets etc that everyone would be neat enough to one to get alcohol and might bring footfall back to some areas. Solves empty shops and problem drinking!

That's a brilliant idea about the shops, would stop underage buying too if ID was needed unlike some shops, also stop impulse buying, going in for bread and coming out with a 6 pack for the sake of it

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I never really considered de-criminalising but logically it seems like the only option. Habe controlled areas where you can go and get what you want.

Whilst we are on it, I think they should take alcohol out of supermarkets which is a **** for me but the government makes no money from minimum pricing. If we had licensed shops that sold alcohol, the government can benefit from the extra profit and use the funds towards NHS etc instead of lining supermarket pockets.

I think in Sweden you have to go to special shops for anything stronger than alcohol.

Plus there are so many empty shops in high streets etc that everyone would be neat enough to one to get alcohol and might bring footfall back to some areas. Solves empty shops and problem drinking!

I've said that about alcohol since minimum pricing was introduced. It's mad that consumers in Scotland are paying more for the same product but rather than that additional income going to the public good, it's going into the back pocket of Tesco and Asda.

The alcohol industry would fight it tooth and nail but it would be good policy imo, albeit with plenty potential issues to iron out.

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Any consumer based item which is prohibited becomes an income for criminal gangs if there is enough profit to be made. Al Capone and his gang weren't running around with machine guns just to look hard.

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Any consumer based item which is prohibited becomes an income for criminal gangs if there is enough profit to be made. Al Capone and his gang weren't running around with machine guns just to look hard.

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Very true. I might have to go to my local dealer to get my New Zealand Sauvignon Blanc rather then the government booze shop.

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Very true. I might have to go to my local dealer to get my New Zealand Sauvignon Blanc rather then the government booze shop.

;.)

...seriously, that was the situation in 1920s USA. Only there wasn't a govt booze shop.

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[Peanut Shaz]

“I think in Sweden you have to go to special shops for anything stronger than alcohol.”

Yep, I recently visited family in Malmo and we had to go to a ‘special’ store to buy alcohol. It is only open for a limited time and closed at 7.30 if I remember correctly.