Summer transfer thread 2025

[SaulGoodman]

What an exhausting last couple pages.

I trust Gray to get the best out of Porteous should he sign.

[Aldo]

It’s ever so easy to look at the negatives when it comes to players and ignore all the positives.

[easty]

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I do and don’t agree with your last point in if we got back a mature Porteous that has the head screwed on who learnt to cut out the daft things he was doing as a young lad like lunging in on tackles he can’t possibly win then yes it probably would in the current market be hard to get a better player , certainly has the ability to be a top player at us …

Though if we got the one we had the last few months before he left I don’t think he’d be any great asset to the club and could end up being quite the opposite . What I mean by that is there is a good togetherness in this squad now and the one thing that we don’t need is a player bawling at other players when he makes a mistake himself. Honestly thought Porteous antics was shocking before he left quite frankly and i think some fans have (myself included) very valid reasons to be concerned over which version of Ryan Porteous we’d get , personally really hope we can persuade Rocky to stay who is much less a risk on and off the field….

https://wfcforums.com/index.php?thre...orteous.61308/

https://x.com/louorns/status/1892178981694099572

Do you go searching online for reasons not to sign all players we’re linked with, or just when they’re guys who came through our youth system, and who went on to play at a higher level? It’s just weird.

I’m no even sure what the second link is meant to tell me? Cos based on that graph he’s done better than Esteve at Burnley who’s being linked with huge money transfers just now.

[Thatdayinmay16]

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Do you go searching online for reasons not to sign all players we’re linked with, or just when they’re guys who came through our youth system, and who went on to play at a higher level? It’s just weird.

I’m no even sure what the second link is meant to tell me? Cos based on that graph he’s done better than Esteve at Burnley who’s being linked with huge money transfers just now.

& Mason Holgate, who funnily enough has played over 100 games in the Premier League under a certain Carlo Ancelotti and was heavily linked with a move away at said stage of his career.

[JohnM1875]

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What an exhausting last couple pages.

I trust Gray to get the best out of Porteous should he sign.

Think it is that simple. Same goes for any signing we make this summer.

[Tyler Durden]

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On the surface this looks like a good bit of business. That said I've never seen him play so hopefully he's not built for McInness ball.

This Braga guy has a 1 in 3 record at that level at 25 years old. We paid similar money for 18 year old Melkersen who had scored 17 or 18 in 25 games the prior season.

Time will tell but so far Jamestown seems to be feeding Hearts Norwegian journeyman for silly prices. Between this boy, Kartum and the right back they're signing.

They'll lap it up of course.

[04Sauzee]

According to reports, Sunderland preparing a £10m bid for Lennon Miller

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According to reports, Sunderland preparing a £10m bid for Lennon Miller

He is going to be a superstar.

[Bobby's Cinema]

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According to reports, Sunderland preparing a £10m bid for Lennon Miller

What does that tell us about how they might value Triantis..

[Souter96Mac]

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According to reports, Sunderland preparing a £10m bid for Lennon Miller

That'll be Triantis defo leaving the mackems then - which I think we all knew anyway. Just hope it's to us.

[HendoDelivered]

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According to reports, Sunderland preparing a £10m bid for Lennon Miller

Good on well of they get a fee like that. That unreal money for a scottish club, old firm included.

[Thatdayinmay16]

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According to reports, Sunderland preparing a £10m bid for Lennon Miller

Villa absolutely shafted us with 2.5m for McGinn.

[NAE NOOKIE]

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According to reports, Sunderland preparing a £10m bid for Lennon Miller

In a market that for years has seen young Scottish talent snapped up for absolute peanuts, not least from us, that's some serious money. I hope it happens, because it sets the bar far higher than it's been and it's something else for clubs outside of the Uglies to point to when English clubs offer £500,000 for a guy that if he was playing in EFL1 would go for £2,000,000

[Donegal Hibby]

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Do you go searching online for reasons not to sign all players we’re linked with, or just when they’re guys who came through our youth system, and who went on to play at a higher level? It’s just weird.

I’m no even sure what the second link is meant to tell me? Cos based on that graph he’s done better than Esteve at Burnley who’s being linked with huge money transfers just now.

Not really though I am interested in when we are linked with players to see what the current clubs that own them fans opinions are on them . I have done it with Xavier Simons , Smith and most other players too . Recently the two players that’s been mentioned on here have been two ex-players in Nisbet and Porteous who some of us aren’t overly keen on seeing back due to issues we had with them before so I just checked on both their club’s forums and the fans comments have mainly been negative which there isn’t a lot I can do about .

The reason I posted the comments from the Watford fans is it’s been said a few times on here that maybe Porteous has matured and cut out the stupid stuff , just thought it was interesting that the Watford fans don’t appear to think he has easty .. that’s all .

[bingo70]

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He is going to be a superstar.

I know I’m in the wrong, I simply must be given what everyone else is saying, so don’t come at me about it.

I’ve just never been blown away by him whenever I’ve seen him. £10m seems crazy money but good on Motherwell if they can get it.

[pepe]

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Villa absolutely shafted us with 2.5m for McGinn.

Spoke to a villa fan who says he’s pound for pound the best signing in premier league history

[easty]

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Spoke to a villa fan who says he’s pound for pound the best signing in premier league history

He wasn’t a premier league signing.

[Thatdayinmay16]

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Spoke to a villa fan who says he’s pound for pound the best signing in premier league history

Based on value for money he probably isn't far off.

Can't think of many players in PL history never mind football history being signed for so little then leading his team from the championship to the champions league group stage.

[Donegal Hibby]

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According to reports, Sunderland preparing a £10m bid for Lennon Miller

I would be surprised if it was as much as £10m with him entering I think the last year of his contract , would have guessed maybe £5m or £6m would have been the fee .

[EGL2000]

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Genuine question - when you say "at his best" what period would you classify his best? He had some very good games for us (not watched any of him whilst down south) but his problem was consistency and temperament - he was capable of a 9 or 9.5 out of 10 and next week could be 5 or 6). For me Iredale is consistently 7.5-8.0. Rocky as well for the last few months has been remarkably consistent and for me would average a 8.0-8.5 I am not sure I have seen that level of consistency in Porteous. When you look at how poor Scotland have been defensively he should be knocking that door down. Appreciate the media did a number on him for the Euro's as it was blown out of all proportion but if he was performing at a consistent level for whatever club he should have been in the squad pushing for a start.

I think Iredale's consistency has been the biggest shock this season. I genuinely think you prob count the mistakes he's made on 1 hand and that includes a nothing stray pass. When you take into count he wasn't even playing consistently before it's a ridiculous level of performance to maintain.

[easty]

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Not really though I am interested in when we are linked with players to see what the current clubs that own them fans opinions are on them . I have done it with Xavier Simons , Smith and most other players too . Recently the two players that’s been mentioned on here have been two ex-players in Nisbet and Porteous who some of us aren’t overly keen on seeing back due to issues we had with them before so I just checked on both their club’s forums and the fans comments have mainly been negative which there isn’t a lot I can do about .

The reason I posted the comments from the Watford fans is it’s been said a few times on here that maybe Porteous has matured and cut out the stupid stuff , just thought it was interesting that the Watford fans don’t appear to think he has easty .. that’s all .

You pulled the equivalent one of these to try to make Porteous look bad, but didnae bother with this one which is hardly a glowing endorsement of Simons.

https://x.com/wt_analysis/status/1821539266859552878?s=46&t=D_9KaoRnzKU_iJPtdJwUXQ

Tells me you’re slightly bias.

[EGL2000]

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According to reports, Sunderland preparing a £10m bid for Lennon Miller

Good on Motherwell all Scottish clubs need to start demanding more for players, excluding Celtic. Only way we will start getting more. Been shafted off England for far too long.

[NAE NOOKIE]

If Porto does return it will be to face a crossroads in his career. He could still easily attract attention from 'bigger' clubs if he gets back on track, but if he can't do that here under a manager and coaching team who have shown real signs that they are able to make players realise their full potential then it's doubtful he could do it anywhere .... especially when he doesn't have the excuse of having to adjust to a new environment.

Somebody made a good point about the habit he had acquired in his latter days at Hibs of bawling out his teammates .... that would be number one on the list to cut out, especially when in the shape of folk like Jack Iredale, Lewis Miller and Rocky ( if they stay ) he would get just as much back, if not more.

On the upside, and something I haven't seen mentioned a lot, apart from being a clear defensive asset if he can screw the nut, he is also a threat from corners and set pieces .... I always thought he was made for the chuck a centre half up front when times running out and you are chasing the game role.

Personally, if he does return I will be excited to see if we end up with the player Porto should have been capable of developing into. But if he doesn't sign I won't be wringing my hands either because we won't need to find out if what we might have got back was the reckless shouty Porto who left us,

[Centre Hawf]

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I do and don’t agree with your last point in if we got back a mature Porteous that has the head screwed on who learnt to cut out the daft things he was doing as a young lad like lunging in on tackles he can’t possibly win then yes it probably would in the current market be hard to get a better player , certainly has the ability to be a top player at us …

Though if we got the one we had the last few months before he left I don’t think he’d be any great asset to the club and could end up being quite the opposite . What I mean by that is there is a good togetherness in this squad now and the one thing that we don’t need is a player bawling at other players when he makes a mistake himself. Honestly thought Porteous antics was shocking before he left quite frankly and i think some fans have (myself included) very valid reasons to be concerned over which version of Ryan Porteous we’d get , personally really hope we can persuade Rocky to stay who is much less a risk on and off the field….

https://wfcforums.com/index.php?thre...orteous.61308/

https://x.com/louorns/status/1892178981694099572

I think his mindset is important for sure. It’s something that we’d have to trust SDG and Malky Mackay on deciding it they think he’d be a welcome addition to the changing room. They haven’t gotten it wrong so far so whatever they decide I’d trust is right.

What other fans say of Porto is of no interest to me personally, he’s out of favour and thus will not be spoken well about. You can look at any forum for any out of sorts player and find comments that would back up your point to not sign them. If you went deep enough about Rocky you’d find the same here.

[Baader]

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Spoke to a villa fan who says he’s pound for pound the best signing in premier league history

Would think that's probably Vardy. Everton paid 60k and got about 400 games out of Seamus Coleman as well.

[Hibees1973]

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If Porto does return it will be to face a crossroads in his career. He could still easily attract attention from 'bigger' clubs if he gets back on track, but if he can't do that here under a manager and coaching team who have shown real signs that they are able to make players realise their full potential then it's doubtful he could do it anywhere .... especially when he doesn't have the excuse of having to adjust to a new environment.

Somebody made a good point about the habit he had acquired in his latter days at Hibs of bawling out his teammates .... that would be number one on the list to cut out, especially when in the shape of folk like Jack Iredale, Lewis Miller and Rocky ( if they stay ) he would get just as much back, if not more.

On the upside, and something I haven't seen mentioned a lot, apart from being a clear defensive asset if he can screw the nut, he is also a threat from corners and set pieces .... I always thought he was made for the chuck a centre half up front when times running out and you are chasing the game role.

Personally, if he does return I will be excited to see if we end up with the player Porto should have been capable of developing into. But if he doesn't sign I won't be wringing my hands either because we won't need to find out if what we might have got back was the reckless shouty Porto who left us,

Must admit I'm torn on Porteous coming back.

Reading the articles speculating his return it appears he may come back on loan. Highly unlikely we will be able to match or even get close to the wages he is on at Watford, so them meeting a percentage of his wages reduces any cost and risk. A deal where we could secure a permanent transfer, depending on his performances, etc, would make sense.

On his day he can be a very good defender, but he does come with a bit of unnecessary baggage at times.

I would like to see him back in a Hibs jersey, performing consistently but with less rashness. If it doesn't work out he can go back to Watford after the loan period. If it does work out and somehow we cannot secure him permanently then so be it.

Know there are a few 'ifs' in my post, which kind of sums Porteous up a bit. If only he didn't do this, if he only did that. There is a good player in there, no doubt. Just needs to smooth out the rough edges he has.

[The Tubs]

I know Porteous has brought some of it on himself, but my biggest concern would be the treatment he gets from refs.

[Nicho87]

All went quiet with xavi Simons

[noucampos]

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I know Porteous has brought some of it on himself, but my biggest concern would be the treatment he gets from refs.

Absolutely this. He left a marked man and he will be again if we resign him.

[NAE NOOKIE]

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I know Porteous has brought some of it on himself, but my biggest concern would be the treatment he gets from refs.

There's little doubt he was more likely to get booked or sent off than a lot of other players in this league.

From a half assed search on line it looks like he accrued 9 yellow cards and no reds in 76 games for Watford, which for a defender I would imagine is below average in that league. A stat like that in England does nothing to dispel the theory that in Scotland he was targeted by refs.

He also scored 7 goals in those 76 games.

Mind you, he made an utter mug of himself in the friendly with Watford at Easter Road to allow Harry McKirdy to score his only goal for Hibs .... not his finest moment