Crystal Palace

[gbhibby]

SSN reporting that their place in Europe is in danger due to the multi club ownership rules

[JimBHibees]

Seems heck of an unfair in saying that they had to change /adapt ownership by 1st of March by which time they would likely be in quarter finals so some accountability by the club i think.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Lyon qualifying via a technicality as well should surely lose their place first?

It's all a bit of a mess this approach to blended ownership. You can be in a group ala city or red bull and compete in same competition as well as sign players within the group for discounted prices but minority shareholders (who dont share any analysis or players) cant have shares in other clubs

[J-C]

Is Man C not in a multi club system too.

[danhibees1875]

You just know that the next time there's a lucrative European offer up for grabs and Hibs have it in our sights that Bournemouth will do a Leicester and screw us over.

[ChuckNor]

Has it ever been clarified what would happen if Hibs and Bournemout/Lorient were in the same competition in Europe? I'd understand the rule if clubs are under full ownership but where it is just a minority shareholding it makes no sense at all. In our case, BKFC have had little influence on our operations.

[Smartie]

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Is Man C not in a multi club system too.

It's surely not being part of a multi club system that is the issue but having the paperwork sorted in order to be part of a multi club system?

Easy to write off petty bureaucracy but it gets wildly open to abuse if high standards aren't respected in relation to it.

[Billy Whizz]

Think the Nottingham Forest owner moved some shares into another company, as he thought they were going to qualify for the Champions league

[Scouse Hibee]

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Is Man C not in a multi club system too.

Man C are exempt from any rules!

[jodjam]

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You just know that the next time there's a lucrative European offer up for grabs and Hibs have it in our sights that Bournemouth will do a Leicester and screw us over.

They won’t. Don’t worry about it

[hibbie02]

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Think the Nottingham Forest owner moved some shares into another company, as he thought they were going to qualify for the Champions league

Yes that seems to be the way they get round it. The shareholders with the multi team interests are supposed to put their shares into a blind trust by a certain date. Last year I believe it needed to be done by June 1st, but they changed that to March this year. How anyone is going to know whether they will be in Europe in March is anyone's guess. I think with the guy in question is part of a Group who have a 60% stake in Palace but the guy himself only owns 35% of that Group. So his actual interest in Palace is around 30%. What I read is that is around the level that he may have needed to use a Blind Trust. It would be mental to get kicked out in those circumstances.

[gbhibby]

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You just know that the next time there's a lucrative European offer up for grabs and Hibs have it in our sights that Bournemouth will do a Leicester and screw us over.

The Rangers will hope Leeds don't qualify for Europe jext season.

[jacomo]

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It's surely not being part of a multi club system that is the issue but having the paperwork sorted in order to be part of a multi club system?

Easy to write off petty bureaucracy but it gets wildly open to abuse if high standards aren't respected in relation to it.

As soon as you allow multi-club ownership, abuse of the system and conflicts of interest are inevitable. The whole thing is a mess.

[Hibee Daft]

This is probably why there was a wee shake up at hibs with Bill Foleys seat being taken

[Just_Jimmy]

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Yes that seems to be the way they get round it. The shareholders with the multi team interests are supposed to put their shares into a blind trust by a certain date. Last year I believe it needed to be done by June 1st, but they changed that to March this year. How anyone is going to know whether they will be in Europe in March is anyone's guess. I think with the guy in question is part of a Group who have a 60% stake in Palace but the guy himself only owns 35% of that Group. So his actual interest in Palace is around 30%. What I read is that is around the level that he may have needed to use a Blind Trust. It would be mental to get kicked out in those circumstances.

What's the point in that? Its just shuffling deck chairs.

The game is bent.

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[Smartie]

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As soon as you allow multi-club ownership, abuse of the system and conflicts of interest are inevitable. The whole thing is a mess.

I agree, and think it will very much come to a head for someone at some point.

[Paul1642]

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I agree, and think it will very much come to a head for someone at some point.

Yep but it felt like it was always going to be a club like Crystal place rather than the likes of the City group or Red Bull group.

[TrinityHFC]

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This is probably why there was a wee shake up at hibs with Bill Foleys seat being taken

No, that makes no difference.

[NAE NOOKIE]

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The Rangers will hope Leeds don't qualify for Europe jext season.

Haven't chosen who to support in next seasons EPL yet

[Centre Hawf]

At this point just allow multi club set ups. It's not going away and they never clamped down on it enough early enough to stop it starting. The alarm bells should have been ringing back when City were doing their NYFC set ups in other countries. UEFA even let Leipzig and Salzburg play each other back in 2018. There's now zero sporting integrity into limiting multi club set ups all of a sudden imo. If it matters now it should have mattered 15/20 years ago.

[jacomo]

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At this point just allow multi club set ups. It's not going away and they never clamped down on it enough early enough to stop it starting. The alarm bells should have been ringing back when City were doing their NYFC set ups in other countries. UEFA even let Leipzig and Salzburg play each other back in 2018. There's now zero sporting integrity into limiting multi club set ups all of a sudden imo. If it matters now it should have mattered 15/20 years ago.

It depends whether or not sporting integrity matters any more.

Personally, I live in hope that mistakes can be rectified.

[Centre Hawf]

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It depends whether or not sporting integrity matters any more.

Personally, I live in hope that mistakes can be rectified.

How do you rectify this situation now though? It's a mess of co-ownerships across Europe.

Do you set everyone a timer with shares in another club to sell by or they have to pick a team to ban from Europe? Are there loopholes that can be exploited in which case is it likely the big clubs like United and City with their lawyers will sneak through it all, leaving someone such as Palace or even ourselves out to dry?

I see no way this can be rectified without a huge legal mess or, far worse for the footballing authorities, bursting the financial bubble the game has created for itself.

[danhibees1875]

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The Rangers will hope Leeds don't qualify for Europe jext season.

If Leeds win the league, Rangers coming 2nd in Scotland would make them the weaker seed so would 3rd place get Champions League?

Sorted.

[CropleyWasGod]

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If Leeds win the league, Rangers coming 2nd in Scotland would make them the weaker seed so would 3rd place get Champions League?

Sorted.

Sadly, not.

A similar thing happened to City and Girona last season, and they were okay.

And, Rangers aren't majority-owned by the 49ers, unlike Leeds. Have I mentioned that before?

[cabbageandribs1875]

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The Rangers will hope Leeds don't qualify for Europe jext season.

if Leeds don't get at least three/four quality signings in the Door the only thing they will be qualifying for is the Championship again

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Forest have written to UEFA to air their concerns. ******* grasses

[Pagan Hibernia]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football...s/cvg5y49zjndo

Drogheda set to lose out too

[linlithgowhibbie]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football...s/cvg5y49zjndo

Drogheda set to lose out too

Only Irish ground I have been to, went to see them play Cork Hibs years ago.

Pre game went into one of the oldest style boozers you can imagine, smokers everywhere, pints of heavy/Guinness on everyones lips, no new fangled lagers there.

Was great, people couldn't have been friendlier.

The ground itself was also a throwback to the good old days, not quite p@sh flowing down the terraces but the mens loos were of the open to the elements variety that used to be common here.

Hope they get this sorted in their favour.

[Centre Hawf]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football...s/cvg5y49zjndo

Drogheda set to lose out too

"In recent seasons, Aston Villa, Manchester City and Manchester United have all been admitted into European competition despite initial concerns over multi-club ownership."

And there lies the problem. Either do it properly, or don't do it at all.

[jacomo]

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How do you rectify this situation now though? It's a mess of co-ownerships across Europe.

Do you set everyone a timer with shares in another club to sell by or they have to pick a team to ban from Europe? Are there loopholes that can be exploited in which case is it likely the big clubs like United and City with their lawyers will sneak through it all, leaving someone such as Palace or even ourselves out to dry?

I see no way this can be rectified without a huge legal mess or, far worse for the footballing authorities, bursting the financial bubble the game has created for itself.

Why not? Isn't football supposed to be played to a universal set of rules that everyone adheres to?

If we can enforce the handball rule against even the richest clubs, why not rules on independent ownership?