Jake Doyle-Hayes

[Hibiza]

A really low / rotten thing to do
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[BILLYHIBS]

Just been on Reporting Scotland his issue is the LJ tackle and the club are aware of it

In other news …….

[Billy Whizz]

Starts tonight for Sligo

[Smartie]

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Didn’t he not turn down a chance to join Forrest Green ? Don’t remember when that was , I’m presuming before his injury.

Shame that he did.

We could have called him the vegan Brian Kerr.

[Eyrie]

Doyle-Hayes' solicitors will be hoping that Hibs insurers decide it's cheaper to pay out than fight the case.

But if Hibs gave him the appropriate medical care then I can't see how Hibs are liable. Plenty of other managers and coaches join in sessions at times so Hibs can't be considered negligent for not banning Johnson from doing so. As regards loss of earnings, Hibs honoured his contract when Doyle-Hayes was out for a very long time. Any loss of post-Hibs earnings is very speculative and would require Doyle-Hayes to demonstrate sufficient interest in signing him from Hibs before he got the injury. There are plenty of players who leave Hibs and get less money on their next deal from clubs on a level with Sligo Rovers. Maybe they should sue Hibs for not improving them enough?

[eastmainsmsh]

Surely his claim should be against LJ?

[Jock O]

Given his previous statement it sounds awful like he has had an ambulance chasing type lawyer say lets chance this and see what we get.

All a bit bizarre, surely this could be a case anytime anyone gets an injury, if it is primarily about his loss of earnings. Either that or there is more to it than is in public knowledge to date.

[makaveli1875]

It matters to Digby Brown

[Hibiza]

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It matters to Digby Brown

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[Paulie Walnuts]

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Doyle-Hayes' solicitors will be hoping that Hibs insurers decide it's cheaper to pay out than fight the case.

But if Hibs gave him the appropriate medical care then I can't see how Hibs are liable. Plenty of other managers and coaches join in sessions at times so Hibs can't be considered negligent for not banning Johnson from doing so. As regards loss of earnings, Hibs honoured his contract when Doyle-Hayes was out for a very long time. Any loss of post-Hibs earnings is very speculative and would require Doyle-Hayes to demonstrate sufficient interest in signing him from Hibs before he got the injury. There are plenty of players who leave Hibs and get less money on their next deal from clubs on a level with Sligo Rovers. Maybe they should sue Hibs for not improving them enough?

And on top of that, he had the opportunity to go to Forest Green (League One at the time) AFTER the injury and he turned it down whilst Hibs accepted the deal.

His career trajectory is entirely of his making with a mix of bad decisions such as turning down FGR and being ****ing guff.

If this goes the whole hog he will win **** all. He’ll be hoping to get a ‘we can’t be arsed with the hassle’ payment from Hibs.

[B.H.F.C]

Forgetting the legal case, I still can’t work out why he was brought on in the first derby this season, for his only appearance of the season. The most random substitution I’ve ever seen!

[Lago]

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Just been on Reporting Scotland his issue is the LJ tackle and the club are aware of it

In other news …….

Yes it appears to be all about that Infamous tackle.

[Bamba]

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Surely his claim should be against LJ?

You'd think so but his lawyers have probably instructed him that he'll be able to claim more out of Hibs and they're more likely to settle.

We should countersue him for impersonating a footballer.

[Paul1642]

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And on top of that, he had the opportunity to go to Forest Green (League One at the time) AFTER the injury and he turned it down whilst Hibs accepted the deal.

His career trajectory is entirely of his making with a mix of bad decisions such as turning down FGR and being ****ing guff.

If this goes the whole hog he will win **** all. He’ll be hoping to get a ‘we can’t be arsed with the hassle’ payment from Hibs.

He was out for a length of time not dissimilar to what most players face at some point in the careers. Some bounce back, some don’t.

Like you say, he was deemed fit enough for a move to Forrest Green and turned it down. We deemed him fit enough (maybe proving a point knowing this was in the pipeline?) to play him before his release. He’s now fit enough to play in Ireland. The injury has had no more effect on him than the thousands of other players injured every year and I’ve genuinely never heard of legal action like this before. If he wins, where do you draw the line?

Alex Harris suing Motherwell? His career went rapidly off its projected path and never recovered.

Bowie suing the SFA? He could have been the leagues top scorer for all we know and on his way to Celtic this summer.

Mateta for being outright assaulted against Millwall?

Sure, these three were injured in games rather than training but JDH is far from the first to be injured on the training ground.

JDH is back to fitness and playing for Siglo Rovers. If he was good enough to be playing elsewhere then he would be, previous injury or not.

I hope Hibs fight this all the way, and suspect they will.

[ehf]

We’ll end up paying £200k - £300k to settle this; added to the £250k we pished away on McAllister’s son, that’s at least half a million that clown Johnson has cost us.

[eastmainsmsh]

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We’ll end up paying £200k - £300k to settle this; added to the £250k we pished away on McAllister’s son, that’s at least half a million that clown Johnson has cost us.

He had all the patter and excuses

[Billy Bunter 07]

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Starts tonight for Sligo

Hope they got ridden

[Baader]

Smacks of a desperate cash grab. Would like to see how his lawyers argue he could've played at a higher level than he currently is were it not for this incident given that he played for us after it and is still training and playing.

Never liked JDH, thought him an extremely limited footballer who shouldn't have been anywhere near Hibs. Wish that were the case and hope the club stand up and fight this.

[bordergreen]

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A really low / rotten thing to do
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Agree. Limited footballer, sour grapes. He is at Sligo and won't get better because that is his level, not because he got a HORRIFIC injury in a tackle in training. I was responsible for Health & Safety for a large organisation for many years, you wouldn't believe some of the claims people submitted. Most of the time they would get pay outs, even though it was obvious they were at it. I hope he gets hee haw and has to pay the costs!

[andrew70]

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And on top of that, he had the opportunity to go to Forest Green (League One at the time) AFTER the injury and he turned it down whilst Hibs accepted the deal.

His career trajectory is entirely of his making with a mix of bad decisions such as turning down FGR and being ****ing guff.

If this goes the whole hog he will win **** all. He’ll be hoping to get a ‘we can’t be arsed with the hassle’ payment from Hibs.

Some amount of poor “information” on this thread.

I hope he gets what he wants.

The PFA will know what they are doing.

[Trinity Hibee]

A wee nobby ******* who is trying to milk a **** career for what it’s not worth.

The streets will forget and he will never be remembered.

[Lago]

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Aye but, if there a case to be answered, it should be answered.
Don’t have a problem with it at all, if something was done wrong that he should be compensated for, he should be compensated.
Equally, if Hibs are not in the wrong then he has at least had his right for the matter to be discussed.

Exactly right, his football ability is not the issue.

[Eyrie]

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Aye but, if there a case to be answered, it should be answered.
Don’t have a problem with it at all, if something was done wrong that he should be compensated for, he should be compensated.
Equally, if Hibs are not in the wrong then he has at least had his right for the matter to be discussed.

Could be an interesting precedent set by this case.

Every time a player is injured then there would be grounds to sue the player responsible

- the injured player could sue for lost appearance money or bonuses whilst out
- clubs would sue for the wages they're paying to someone who is unavailable or, if the club is insured, their insurers would sue to cover their pay out
- clubs could sue for lost earnings because the unavailable player could have helped them progress in the cup or finish higher up the league

All with the same validity that Doyle-Hayes has for claiming he has lost out.

[Eyrie]

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Exactly right, his football ability is not the issue.

It is if he's claiming that "his career would have continued at a higher level" but for the injury.

Based on what we saw of him playing for us, his next move was almost certainly at a lower level.

[matty_f]

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Could be an interesting precedent set by this case.

Every time a player is injured then there would be grounds to sue the player responsible

- the injured player could sue for lost appearance money or bonuses whilst out
- clubs would sue for the wages they're paying to someone who is unavailable or, if the club is insured, their insurers would sue to cover their pay out
- clubs could sue for lost earnings because the unavailable player could have helped them progress in the cup or finish higher up the league

All with the same validity that Doyle-Hayes has for claiming he has lost out.

It’s different because injuries are part and parcel of professional sport, when players compete, their job puts them at risk of injury.

In training, in the normal course of events the same rules apply. Where this is different, is that Johnson put himself in the session despite not being of a high enough standard of fitness and (presumably) skill to do so without putting the players at risk of something like a badly mistimed or misjudged tackle.

That’s a very specific scenario, so it might open clubs up to similar cases but not for players picking up injuries in the course of doing their job where all reasonable precautions are taken to avoid injury.

[neil7908]

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Surely his claim should be against LJ?

But we employed LJ and he was acting in his capacity as a Hibs employee at the time.

[Baader]

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It’s different because injuries are part and parcel of professional sport, when players compete, their job puts them at risk of injury.

In training, in the normal course of events the same rules apply. Where this is different, is that Johnson put himself in the session despite not being of a high enough standard of fitness and (presumably) skill to do so without putting the players at risk of something like a badly mistimed or misjudged tackle.

That’s a very specific scenario, so it might open clubs up to similar cases but not for players picking up injuries in the course of doing their job where all reasonable precautions are taken to avoid injury.

'Skill' and 'fitness' won't matter. You could level that at every player currently playing professional football. Many young players won't realistically have the comparable skill or fitness when they train with the first team. Could be argued the plaintiff wasn't exactly 'skillful' nor often 'fit' for selection before the incident and Lee Johnson was 41 at the time of what Doyle-Hayes' representatives are describing as a "horrific injury." They need to prove that something during his time at Hibs occurred resulting in him not being able to play at a "higher level" than he is currently at.

[matty_f]

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'Skill' and 'fitness' won't matter. You could level that at every player currently playing professional football. Many young players won't realistically have the comparable skill or fitness when they train with the first team. Could be argued the plaintiff wasn't exactly 'skillful' nor often 'fit' for selection before the incident and Lee Johnson was 41 at the time of what Doyle-Hayes' representatives are describing as a "horrific injury." They need to prove that something during his time at Hibs occurred resulting in him not being able to play at a "higher level" than he is currently at.

It will/can come into it. The youth players don’t go in with the first team until they’re capable of playing with them, for their own safety as much as anything.
Lee Johnson arguably had no place being in that session but by placing himself in it he’s endangered his players and ultimately ended up injuring one of them.

The difference in skill level between players that compete is a necessary risk on the sport but it is mitigated by a requirement to have them coached by suitably trained staff and by a system (the league) that requires teams to sign players at or close to the level required. Injuries in sport are an accepted risk, the club’s duty of care to the players in that regard is to make sure that they’re trained and conditioned properly.

On the training pitch you have more control over the risk and a higher duty of care as a result, putting out of shape managers in positions where they’re tackling players is not a necessary risk and is arguably negligent.

[SunshineOnLeith]

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We’ll end up paying £200k - £300k to settle this; added to the £250k we pished away on McAllister’s son, that’s at least half a million that clown Johnson has cost us.

This won't cost Hibs anything - we'll have insurance.

[McD]

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Some amount of poor “information” on this thread.

I hope he gets what he wants.

The PFA will know what they are doing.

Are the PFA involved?