Jake Doyle-Hayes

[Paulie Walnuts]

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He would have to agree to it for it to happen surely?

He did agree to it.

[matty_f]

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Would be interesting to see how he/his lawyers demonstrate that his career has been derailed, when he continued to (rightly) be paid by Hibs during this period time, and agreed to mutual parting of the ways, which would imply he’d been given a payoff to leave early. There really isn’t a way to prove he’d have been offered another contract at Hibs, or anyone else of a similar or higher level.

I think the only realistic way that they could demonstrate that would be to show concrete evidence of interest at a higher level than he’s at now that didn’t materialise because of the injury. Other than that - how do you prove it? Loads of players have left Hibs to go to a much lower level with no injury history.

[BoomtownHibees]

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He did agree to it.

I know. Just not sure how Brightside thought it would have happened otherwise

[worcesterhibby]

Whether JDH is “within his rights” or not, it’s stinks in my opinion. He was a limited footballer that got an accidental injury in training. Hibs paid for his medical treatment and paid his salary throughout. To then try to take us to court for compensation is an unwarranted cash grab. I previously thought of him as a guy who tried hard and scored a couple of great goals for us. I now think he’s a back stabbing, ungrateful little gold digger.

JDH GTF

[WestStandWillie]

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Whether JDH is “within his rights” or not, it’s stinks in my opinion. He was a limited footballer that got an accidental injury in training. Hibs paid for his medical treatment and paid his salary throughout. To then try to take us to court for compensation is an unwarranted cash grab. I previously thought of him as a guy who tried hard and scored a couple of great goals for us. I now think he’s a back stabbing, ungrateful little gold digger.

JDH GTF

This.

His legal team are suggesting his career is all but over, wonder what Sligo think to that?

Wish him all the worst luck in the world for pulling this stunt.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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No wonder JDH couldn't nail down a first team place if he couldn't even dodge a tackle from a half pissed out of shape 40 year old.

Only 1 person has said pissed - the lawyer said incoherent which doesn’t mean drunk. He wasn’t drunk when he was talking about lions etc, just incoherent.

[Brightside]

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He would have to agree to it for it to happen surely?

Nothing in the report said he got paid off. Just agreement that he would leave. Unless I missed that.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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Nothing in the report said he got paid off. Just agreement that he would leave. Unless I missed that.

Maybe that’s the money he’s chasing then.

[Brightside]

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Maybe that’s the money he’s chasing then.

Like a lion.

[Hibees1973]

My thoughts are with the managers who had JDH lingering around the club after Johnson left.

It must have been very awkward and difficult at times for Montgomery and Gray now, with this elephant in the room. The stance JDH has taken it's likely he voiced his displeasure with other players, which would not have helped with team morale.

I'll add a bit more conjecture to the debate. It does seem we have had some 'characters' at the club in recent years. JDH, Kenneh, Bojang to name just a few. Although not proven, there are others I could mention, mostly from rumours on here and other Hibs supporters I know. I understand this is rumour but there cannot be this much smoke without fire. MacKay has said as well that some players were given opportunities to leave and get more playing time but chose to stay. It is their prerogative, but it will not have helped Gray.

Gray has said in the last couple of days he has rarely known such a good chemistry in the squad. Thankfully, results in the last six months of the season has shown Gray to be correct.

[Hibbyradge]

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Nothing in the report said he got paid off. Just agreement that he would leave. Unless I missed that.

Oh come on.

He had 6 months left on his contract. Of course he was paid off.

[Brightside]

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Oh come on.

He had 6 months left on his contract. Of course he was paid off.

Or he left so he could play again? At the moment the pay off appears to be an assumption. According to some he was stealing a wage so it’s odd that he didn’t just continue doing that.

[Hibbyradge]

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Or he left so he could play again? At the moment the pay off appears to be an assumption. According to some he was stealing a wage so it’s odd that he didn’t just continue doing that.

It's not odd. He was paid off.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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Or he left so he could play again? At the moment the pay off appears to be an assumption. According to some he was stealing a wage so it’s odd that he didn’t just continue doing that.

Are you suggesting they sacked him?

[Trinity Hibee]

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Or he left so he could play again? At the moment the pay off appears to be an assumption. According to some he was stealing a wage so it’s odd that he didn’t just continue doing that.

If he left without a pay off, which I doubt happened, then he would have had to agree to it.

I’m not really sure where you are going with all of this

[Brightside]

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Are you suggesting they sacked him?

No. I’m just suggesting that there is an awful lot of assumptions in this thread. Including a new one that he was a bad apple along with Kenneh and Bojang. Maybe the bad apples were the management staff. Who knows eh.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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No. I’m just suggesting that there is an awful lot of assumptions in this thread. Including a new one that he was a bad apple along with Kenneh and Bojang. Maybe the bad apples were the management staff. Who knows eh.

Yeah there’s lots of stuff flying around.

[Lago]

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Or he left so he could play again? At the moment the pay off appears to be an assumption. According to some he was stealing a wage so it’s odd that he didn’t just continue doing that.

Oh come on your not that nieve.

[Pretty Boy]

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If he left without a pay off, which I doubt happened, then he would have had to agree to it.

I’m not really sure where you are going with all of this

Agreeing to it doesn't necessarily mean he was paid off.

He could have said to Hibs that Sligo were interested but couldn't afford a fee so Hibs agreed to release him from his contract so he could sign for them, get a bit security going forward and play again. An old fashioned free transfer if you like.

Similar happened when we signed Darren McGregor. Rangers wanted him to go to Dundee or St Johnstone, he said no, they asked where he wanted to go, he said Hibs, they said we can't sell you to Hibs right now so he agreed to be released from his contract and signed for Hibs as a free agent a couple of days later. I doubt Rangers paid up his contract in such a scenario.

Of course as you say JDH would have had to agree to all that but that doesn't seem to be his case. It's that without the injury his earning potential was higher than Sligo Rovers.

[Paulie Walnuts]

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Agreeing to it doesn't necessarily mean he was paid off.

He could have said to Hibs that Sligo were interested but couldn't afford a fee so Hibs agreed to release him from his contract so he could sign for them, get a bit security going forward and play again. An old fashioned free transfer if you like.

Similar happened when we signed Darren McGregor. Rangers wanted him to go to Dundee or St Johnstone, he said no, they asked where he wanted to go, he said Hibs, they said we can't sell you to Hibs right now so he agreed to be released from his contract and signed for Hibs as a free agent a couple of days later. I doubt Rangers paid up his contract in such a scenario.

Of course as you say JDH would have had to agree to all that but that doesn't seem to be his case. It's that without the injury his earning potential was higher than Sligo Rovers.

On your last paragraph, let’s be honest, it wasn’t. He is, and always has been, pish. It wasn’t the injury that done that to him.

[PiemanP]

We should sue him for 4 years of wasted wages with no product. Petty and pathetic.

I’d say I hope he comes back to Easter Road some day in opposition, but he’s not good enough to ever be part of a team we compete with.

[Hibbyradge]

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On your last paragraph, let’s be honest, it wasn’t. He is, and always has been, pish. It wasn’t the injury that done that to him.

It's subjective though.

While I wasn't impressed by him, he can argue that his career was on an upwards trajectory before he was injured.

Aston Villa, Cheltenham Town and Cambridge United followed by St Mirren then Hibs.

Whether or not we agree, that's an argument.

[Hibs4185]

A few things, maybe the club should have included a no fault type clause in his payoff? Hindsight I suppose.

Also being able to sue for an injury training is opening a huge can of worms. Sets a dangerous precedent when there are these types of risk associated with your job on a daily basis.

Do players not have insurance for this type of thing? I’d def have my legs and stuff insured if I my career depended on it.

[Wilson]

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A few things, maybe the club should have included a no fault type clause in his payoff? Hindsight I suppose.

Also being able to sue for an injury training is opening a huge can of worms. Sets a dangerous precedent when there are these types of risk associated with your job on a daily basis.

Do players not have insurance for this type of thing? I’d def have my legs and stuff insured if I my career depended on it.

Certainly would be unfortunate to get your stuff injured.

[ian cruise]

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A few things, maybe the club should have included a no fault type clause in his payoff? Hindsight I suppose.

Also being able to sue for an injury training is opening a huge can of worms. Sets a dangerous precedent when there are these types of risk associated with your job on a daily basis.

Do players not have insurance for this type of thing? I’d def have my legs and stuff insured if I my career depended on it.

I'd imagine the insurance is for career ending, so if he's continuing to play on with Sligo then that's no use. It would be there to cover wages you'd have been able to earn had you been able to continue playing.

Similarly if he's being paid by Hibs while injured, no need to claim for insurance as there's no lost earnings.

Case seems to be focused on the injury affecting his ability to earn a higher wage than he is commanding now. We'll see what the evidence is and how he gets on.

[McD]

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I think the only realistic way that they could demonstrate that would be to show concrete evidence of interest at a higher level than he’s at now that didn’t materialise because of the injury. Other than that - how do you prove it? Loads of players have left Hibs to go to a much lower level with no injury history.

Exactly, unless he can show that a team tried to sign him from Hibs prior to the injury (as he is claiming the injury derailed his career), there’s not much they can do to prove he would have went on to a more lucrative career.

[Donegal Hibby]

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Exactly, unless he can show that a team tried to sign him from Hibs prior to the injury (as he is claiming the injury derailed his career), there’s not much they can do to prove he would have went on to a more lucrative career.

Didn’t he not turn down a chance to join Forrest Green ? Don’t remember when that was , I’m presuming before his injury.

[Unseen work]

Wait, JDH thinks he would have played at a better level? Or even similar level?

He was out for what one year on and off? Came back for short spells and then back out. And it was a historic injury discovered as a result from Johnson?

If JDH was as good as he thinks, he would still have got another SPFL club - see Kyle Magennis for example

[McD]

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Didn’t he not turn down a chance to join Forrest Green ? Don’t remember when that was , I’m presuming before his injury.

I think that was after. Could be wrong but I think it was a January window, either still under LJ or Monty (could be totally wrong through )

[Paulie Walnuts]

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Didn’t he not turn down a chance to join Forrest Green ? Don’t remember when that was , I’m presuming before his injury.

It was after this incident.