Jake Doyle-Hayes

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Matty Jack

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Alf

We honoured his contract.

He agreed to sign a new one. He didn’t have to.

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Did we not eventually end up in court with Brian Welsh over something that sounded similar?

Wasn’t all that long ago considering it was a while since he played for us.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Did we not eventually end up in court with Brian Welsh over something that sounded similar?

Wasn’t all that long ago considering it was a while since he played for us.

From Wiki:-

Welsh began legal proceedings against Malcolm Morrison, who was employed as Hibernian club doctor during his time with the club, in 2008.[2] He claimed that an injection administered by Morrison had ruined his career,[2] and an out-of-court settlement for a "substantial sum" was reached.[2]

More here. It was the doctor he sued, rather than the club:-

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...h-lands-975782

[J-C]

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Then why mention it at all? I don’t think there’s anyone on this board that would expect the club to not honour a contract.

Because some were mentioning it may be to do with his injury, which I was pointing out he was still well paid while being injured, if he is in fact trying to sue us for said injury, he has a cheek as a pro footballer. Still don't see how you can't grasp that concept.

[BILLYHIBS]

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We honoured his contract.

He agreed to sign a new one. He didn’t have to.

He was issued with an ultimatum sign off the second year of the contract we offered you or you will not play for this club again

He signed it from a footballing point of view after speaking to his agent and went on to make 30 appearances that season scoring 5 goals

He was sent to Coventry by the bosses ( Kensall and Gordon) through no fault of his own and is still waiting on an explanation

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/...-hibs-33216716

[Pretty Boy]

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He was issued with an ultimatum sign off the second year of the contract we offered you or you will not play for this club again

He signed it from a footballing point of view after speaking to his agent and went on to make 30 appearances that season scoring 5 goals

He was sent to Coventry by the bosses ( Kensall and Gordon) through no fault of his own and is still waiting on an explanation

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/...-hibs-33216716

The most worrying part of that whole article given there is an ongoing court case involving a player who was perennially injured is that there seems to have been a major **** up in diagnosing and injury with ALF.

[JimBHibees]

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Tongue in cheek 😀
When he scored a cracking brace against RC, a squad of his pals had come over from Ireland

Ok cheers

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He was issued with an ultimatum sign off the second year of the contract we offered you or you will not play for this club again

He signed it from a footballing point of view after speaking to his agent and went on to make 30 appearances that season scoring 5 goals

He was sent to Coventry by the bosses ( Kensall and Gordon) through no fault of his own and is still waiting on an explanation

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/...-hibs-33216716

New contract suited all parties.

If he didn’t sign it, we’d have lost out on playing him, and he’d have lost out by playing no football.

We didn’t want to be lumbered with him a second season, so a new contract was offered and signed.

He went on to play non-league after leaving. Which shows how good a decision that new contract was from our end.

[BILLYHIBS]

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New contract suited all parties.

If he didn’t sign it, we’d have lost out on playing him, and he’d have lost out by playing no football.

We didn’t want to be lumbered with him a second season, so a new contract was offered and signed.

He went on to play non-league after leaving. Which shows how good a decision that new contract was from our end.

Smacks of ageism but I suppose he was two years older than Gayle and Hoilett when they made their debuts

Leaves a bad taste

We should really try and stick to our end of the bargain wherever possible and I dare say we will probably never find out what JDH’s issue is ( I liked him ) ?

Ian Gordon can add it to his learning curve as he really seems to have matured over the past two seasons

Now who agreed to sign a 17 year old for 110k and released him for diddly squat today ?

[SHODAN]

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You could take your eyes off him.

He's definitely somewhere in my okayest Hibs XI.

[Paul1642]

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Smacks of ageism but I suppose he was two years older than Gayle and Hoilett when they made their debuts

Leaves a bad taste

We should really try and stick to our end of the bargain wherever possible and I dare say we will probably never find out what JDH’s issue is ( I liked him ) ?

Ian Gordon can add it to his learning curve as he really seems to have matured over the past two seasons

Now who agreed to sign a 17 year old for 110k and released him for diddly squat today ?

The decision not to trigger the second year of ALFs contract was the right one for the club, and well within our rights. It’s probably safe to assume that if ALF stayed, Gayle would never have been brought in, and he was a huge positive influence on our season.

The deal was that if ALF played a certain number of games a second year was triggered. It obviously became clear to the club at some point that we didn’t want that and instead of shutting him out, we came to a solution where he could still play.

It perhaps could have been handled better but the outcome was correct for us.

[BILLYHIBS]

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The decision not to trigger the second year of ALFs contract was the right one for the club, and well within our rights. It’s probably safe to assume that if ALF stayed, Gayle would never have been brought in, and he was a huge positive influence on our season.

The deal was that if ALF played a certain number of games a second year was triggered. It obviously became clear to the club at some point that we didn’t want that and instead of shutting him out, we came to a solution where he could still play.

It perhaps could have been handled better but the outcome was correct for us.

My understanding is Alf signed a two year deal and the club moved the goal posts

’ I had a two year deal but got misdiagnosed with a PCL injury’

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My understanding is Alf signed a two year deal and the club moved the goal posts

No, it was a year with an extra year that triggered after X games.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/65933869.amp

[BILLYHIBS]

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No, it was a year with an extra year that triggered after X games.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/65933869.amp

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65933869

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Managers and coaches get involved in training all the time. Don’t see the issue

That’s irrelevant, to be honest. There are acceptable and unavoidable risks in sport, getting injured by someone who is demonstrably not at a level to safely participate is not an acceptable or unavoidable risk.

It wouldn’t stand up at all in a tribunal or court case that other folk do it so that’s the problem?

Tons of folk speed every day without getting caught, it doesn’t stop the ones who do from getting a fine.

[matty_f]

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Agree. Complete nonsense that there would be any way that could arise in a claim.

I spoke to an employment law specialist about it earlier (I know one, I didn’t go phoning up a solicitor for legal advice!) when I saw the court case, they reckoned there would be a fairly strong case for negligence if that was indeed what the case is over.

Players have a reasonable expectation that training is conducted by suitably skilled staff with due regard for their safety. If Johnson oversees a session and JDH gets injured by Newell, for example, there’s no claim.

Get Newell as an unqualified coach to run a session, and a player gets injured, they could have a case (as an example).

Put an out of shape coach into the session to play against elite footballers and that coach is, obviously, late into a tackle or misjudges the tackle because he’s clearly not at a level to participate, there’s potential for a claim.

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That’s irrelevant, to be honest. There are acceptable and unavoidable risks in sport, getting injured by someone who is demonstrably not at a level to safely participate is not an acceptable or unavoidable risk.

That makes no sense to me. Should SPL players be allowed to sue League 2 players if they're injured playing against them in the cups?

The manager has the right to include himself in training if he deems it appropriate. If JDH is claiming he deliberately injured him then that's a completely different matter.

We had Bojang training with the first team. He was nowhere near the standard of Hibs first team either.

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Awful player and attitude. Couldn’t handle a hibs fan asking him why he needed the balaclava on when he’s meant to be warming up yet looked more interested in chatting

[matty_f]

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That makes no sense to me. Should SPL players be allowed to sue League 2 players if they're injured playing against them in the cups?

The manager has the right to include himself in training if he deems it appropriate. If JDH is claiming he deliberately injured him then that's a completely different matter.

We had Bojang training with the first team. He was nowhere near the standard of Hibs first team either.

Is not the same thing - that’s acceptable and unavoidable risk. There’s absolutely no need for coaches to be in a position where they’re tackling players. That’s not to say it doesn’t happen and isn’t fine 99% of the time, but those times are, according to the person I spoke to, irrelevant for the time someone gets injured.

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I spoke to an employment law specialist about it earlier (I know one, I didn’t go phoning up a solicitor for legal advice!) when I saw the court case, they reckoned there would be a fairly strong case for negligence if that was indeed what the case is over.

Players have a reasonable expectation that training is conducted by suitably skilled staff with due regard for their safety. If Johnson oversees a session and JDH gets injured by Newell, for example, there’s no claim.

Get Newell as an unqualified coach to run a session, and a player gets injured, they could have a case (as an example).

Put an out of shape coach into the session to play against elite footballers and that coach is, obviously, late into a tackle or misjudges the tackle because he’s clearly not at a level to participate, there’s potential for a claim.

Surely Johnson being an ex-player comes into though? One that played at a similar level to JDH and much more games.

Now, he is a manager and been out of professional football as a player for a while but from a negligence point of view the ‘skill’ would still be there and it’s not like they’ve chucked in a random off the street.

As for fitness and sharpness, surely that is a bit more subjective

[Donegal Hibby]

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Awful player and attitude. Couldn’t handle a hibs fan asking him why he needed the balaclava on when he’s meant to be warming up yet looked more interested in chatting

I don’t think he was an awful player at the time we signed him. I don’t know what is attitude was like other than what I’ve read …

https://www.bbc.com/sport/articles/cnvj3znqnp7o

A lot of footballers wear neck warmers , balaclavas now depending on the weather or possibly other reasons I’m not aware of , seem to be popular as there’s even a section of fans at most clubs in Scotland that seem to feel the need to wear them now , are they asked by other fans why they wear them? Genuine question btw ..

I don’t know who’s at fault in this latest situation or even if there is a case that JDH’s is right until there’s more on it I don’t think we can really point fingers at anyone at this stage IMO .

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Surely Johnson being an ex-player comes into though? One that layered at a similar level to JDH and much more games.

Now, he is a manager and been out of professional football as a player for a while but from a negligence point of view the ‘skill’ would still be there and it’s not like they’ve chucked in a random off the street.

As for fitness and sharpness, surely that is a bit more subjective

Johnson has his UEFA pro licence on top of all that. It's not like it's Stevie Naebadges just chucking a training session together.

[matty_f]

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Surely Johnson being an ex-player comes into though? One that played at a similar level to JDH and much more games.

Now, he is a manager and been out of professional football as a player for a while but from a negligence point of view the ‘skill’ would still be there and it’s not like they’ve chucked in a random off the street.

As for fitness and sharpness, surely that is a bit more subjective

He’s an ex player for a number of years, the fitness and capability absolutely comes into it. He’s not training at the level of the players, he’s not living a professional footballer’s lifestyle - he can probably still trap a ball and that but he’d be miles off it in a game.

The players’ fitness is objectively measured - the club know in great detail what the players’ fitness levels and condition are, they have bespoke training regimes and spend a huge amount of time getting into peak condition.

Lee Johnson did not.

[matty_f]

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Johnson has his UEFA pro licence on top of all that. It's not like it's Stevie Naebadges just chucking a training session together.

That’s fine if he’s just putting the session on, less so when he’s playing at being a footballer and smashing into players.

[Donegal Hibby]

Has Darren McGregor played in games for the Hibs youth teams ?

[TrinityHFC]

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I spoke to an employment law specialist about it earlier (I know one, I didn’t go phoning up a solicitor for legal advice!) when I saw the court case, they reckoned there would be a fairly strong case for negligence if that was indeed what the case is over.

Players have a reasonable expectation that training is conducted by suitably skilled staff with due regard for their safety. If Johnson oversees a session and JDH gets injured by Newell, for example, there’s no claim.

Get Newell as an unqualified coach to run a session, and a player gets injured, they could have a case (as an example).

Put an out of shape coach into the session to play against elite footballers and that coach is, obviously, late into a tackle or misjudges the tackle because he’s clearly not at a level to participate, there’s potential for a claim.

They were talking nonsense too then.

You can get a lawyer to argue any hypothetical point you want, especially if they don’t actually have to take the thing on.

[TrinityHFC]

Doesn’t sound likely that he’d go on to make a claim about this does it?


“There was a bit of a coming together in training with the manager but it happens and it could have been any of the lads,” said Doyle-Hayes. “It was a tackle, a 50-50 and nobody holds back in training so it wasn’t an issue. We train with intensity. The gaffer doesn’t join in a lot – I don’t think he has joined in since! He apologised, said it was an accident but I knew that anyway. It was nobody’s fault, he didn’t mean it.”

According to doctors, the manager did not inflict the initial damage. His meaty challenge only exacerbated it. “I didn’t really know I had the injury,” admitted Doyle-Hayes. “When I got the scan they said it could have been an old injury. I had been carrying it for a while, they reckoned. I’m just looking to get my season started now, really, even though there are not many games left.”

[matty_f]

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Doesn’t sound likely that he’d go on to make a claim about this does it?


“There was a bit of a coming together in training with the manager but it happens and it could have been any of the lads,” said Doyle-Hayes. “It was a tackle, a 50-50 and nobody holds back in training so it wasn’t an issue. We train with intensity. The gaffer doesn’t join in a lot – I don’t think he has joined in since! He apologised, said it was an accident but I knew that anyway. It was nobody’s fault, he didn’t mean it.”

According to doctors, the manager did not inflict the initial damage. His meaty challenge only exacerbated it. “I didn’t really know I had the injury,” admitted Doyle-Hayes. “When I got the scan they said it could have been an old injury. I had been carrying it for a while, they reckoned. I’m just looking to get my season started now, really, even though there are not many games left.”

He’s not done himself any favours there if that’s what his claim was, that’s for sure.

Guess this is why folk are speculating on hypotheticals, eh? We don’t know what the case is.

[matty_f]

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They were talking nonsense too then.

You can get a lawyer to argue any hypothetical point you want, especially if they don’t actually have to take the thing on.

I’ll tell them today that they’re talking nonsense. I’m sure they’ll give a toss!