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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulGoodman View Post
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    Just said the same thing in a different thread😂

    No one will want to sign now
    Players want to leave now
    Can we donate money to the club
    We would’ve sold out all 3 stands and opened the south for Season Tickets if Celtic won.

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    Worth bearing in mind that we managed to bring Gray, McGregor, Ambrose, McGinn, Fyvie, McGeouch, Stokes, Boyle and many more to the club when we were in the Championship.

    We finished third and got into Europe. There will still be plenty of players who will be keen to join us, even if our offering is marginally less appealing to some than it might have been had Saturday’s result gone the other way.


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    Quote Originally Posted by B.H.F.C View Post
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    Hale has done well but I don’t think he would strengthen us against the forward options we had this season.
    Scored far more than Myko and Gayle in a poorer team, I’d take him but think he’s on his way down south, I also like the goalie for county looks like we’ve got out goalie though

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    Henderson was on £5k a week at Hellas Verona in 2019. I don’t think he’ll be out of our reach, particularly given relegation.
    He was actually on double that as a gross wage. He's currently on just shy of £30k gross. I don't really envisage a situation where he comes back to Hibs at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smartie View Post
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    Worth bearing in mind that we managed to bring Gray, McGregor, Ambrose, McGinn, Fyvie, McGeouch, Stokes, Boyle and many more to the club when we were in the Championship.

    We finished third and got into Europe. There will still be plenty of players who will be keen to join us, even if our offering is marginally less appealing to some than it might have been had Saturday’s result gone the other way.
    Players aren’t signing 3/4 year contracts on the basis of playing 3 months of group stage football.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dmas View Post
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    Scored far more than Myko and Gayle in a poorer team, I’d take him but think he’s on his way down south, I also like the goalie for county looks like we’ve got out goalie though
    Comparing him to our 4th choice striker is a bit silly. Gayle is a lot more prolific when he played.

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    Worth bearing in mind that we managed to bring Gray, McGregor, Ambrose, McGinn, Fyvie, McGeouch, Stokes, Boyle and many more to the club when we were in the Championship.

    We finished third and got into Europe. There will still be plenty of players who will be keen to join us, even if our offering is marginally less appealing to some than it might have been had Saturday’s result gone the other way.
    The type of player we are in for won’t have really changed, IMO. And hardly any of the players we are in for will have the offer of group stage European football from elsewhere either. When McGrath signed for us, it was still more likely Aberdeen would be in Europe than us. He still signed for us though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.H.F.C View Post
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    The type of player we are in for won’t have really changed, IMO. And hardly any of the players we are in for will have the offer of group stage European football from elsewhere either. When McGrath signed for us, it was still more likely Aberdeen would be in Europe than us. He still signed for us though.
    The only thing that might have changed is our transfer budget. Had we secured group stage then we could have tried to buy Triantis, for example.

    However, if we still manage to qualify for either EL or CL groups, would qualification be achieved before the transfer window slams shut

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    Comparing him to our 4th choice striker is a bit silly. Gayle is a lot more prolific when he played.
    Not loads in it when looking at there goals per minute ratio. When you add that Ross County create significantly less chances than us think it would pretty much even it up. In no way am I saying he's better than Gayle. However I definitely think he would be a good option. Imagine he will be pretty cheap now as well considering they have been relegated. 100-200k ISH ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibby Kay-Yay View Post
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    The only thing that might have changed is our transfer budget. Had we secured group stage then we could have tried to buy Triantis, for example.

    However, if we still manage to qualify for either EL or CL groups, would qualification be achieved before the transfer window slams shut
    The day it slams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibernian Verse View Post
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    The day it slams.
    Last min splurge then

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    If he plays in the qualifiers hopefully he's a catcher in July
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    Motherwell sign Austrian Lukas Fadinger. Sound like he has a decent pedigree tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 04Sauzee View Post
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    Motherwell sign Austrian Lukas Fadinger. Sound like he has a decent pedigree tbh.
    Wonder how he feels, probably signing for a manager who’s moved on

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    Ronan Hale would maybe be a useful signing and cheap considering county just got relegated. 36 games played 12 goals for a team who finished 11th is not bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ribs1875 View Post
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    Ronan Hale would maybe be a useful signing and cheap considering county just got relegated. 36 games played 12 goals for a team who finished 11th is not bad.
    Would take. However, even at around 250k it's a fair outlay for someone who would unlikely be first choice.

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    Would take. However, even at around 250k it's a fair outlay for someone who would unlikely be first choice.
    Tbh I can see Defensive Dell being in for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ribs1875 View Post
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    Tbh I can see Defensive Dell being in for him.
    If we can sign Hale then it’s a must.

    McInnes might be in for him but there’s no chance Hale goes there.

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    If we can sign Hale then it’s a must.

    McInnes might be in for him but there’s no chance Hale goes there.
    There is nothing more surer he is going to be in for these type of players with proven SPFL Experience. Everywhere he has went he has just done that. I always remember when he signed Adam Rooney, that was the first of many players we were in for who he would then move in on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew70 View Post
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    If we can sign Hale then it’s a must.

    McInnes might be in for him but there’s no chance Hale goes there.
    Why is there no chance Hale goes there?

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    A Hearts fan has done a detailed breakdown of Hale

    https://x.com/liamastewart/status/19...T_cnYbURW-GKJw

    From the second Ross County's relegation was confirmed fans have of various Premiership clubs have started discussing Ronan Hale and if he is worth a pick up particularly with rumours of a relegation release clause.

    Hearts fans are no different and with Shankland's future still currently a mystery let's take a look and see what the numbers say.

    The headline number been thrown around is Hale's 12 league goals this season from an xG of 10.77 - which makes Hale on of just four players outside of Celtic & Rangers to reach the milestone for the season.

    Three of Hale's goals came from the spot, leaving nine non penalty goals throughout the season.

    A look at those goals further shows;

    - Two tidy finishes from tight angles at the edge of the area against Motherwell & Hearts
    - A powerful effort unmarked inside the box after getting on the end of a poor clearance against St Mirren.
    - Two fantastic runs and finishes against Motherwell, left and right footed.
    - A nice turn and finish against Motherwell following a poor piece of defending.
    - An incredible finish against Hearts curling one in from the edge of the area and a similar goal against St Johnstone and a tap in against Dundee United.

    That means when you breakdown Hale's non penalty goals for the season he scored against Motherwell (4), Hearts (2), St Mirren (1), St Johnstone (1) and Dundee United (1).

    The immediate concern for Hearts would be stylistically how he fits McInnes' desired system - a manager that wants width and pace out wide and targets in the box, at 5'7 Hale is certainly not that.

    There is of course a precedent for McInnes having some amount of success with smaller forwards, Anderson at Aberdeen and Kilmarnock, and Hale's off the ball movement and ability to attack the space in behind could link up well with Shankland if the striker re-signs.

    Hale's numbers tell the story of County's season with the 26-year-old putting up a huge volume of shots and dribbles per 90 but with a below standard completion rate.

    No Hearts' player took more shots than Hale (91) while his 37.35% SOT rate ranks lower than any of Hearts' CF options - to be expected with a shot volume almost four times that of Wilson, Vargas, Musa and Kabangu.

    His 13% goal conversion rate sits above Musa & Shankland, while only Musa & Vargas, both of which had significant minutes out wide, produced more dribbles per 90 across the season with Vargas the closest comparison.

    Hale matches Kabangu's 30% offensive duel win rate despite 25% more duel output per 90.

    His 2.61 touches in the box per 90 is lower than any Hearts CF and aligns with the type of goal Hale scored most throughout the season around the edge of the area - but is also easily put down to the deep position and low possession game that County played with the lowest average time on ball in the league throughout the 24/25 season.

    This trend continues when you look at Hale's creative and ball progression numbers - with the 26-year-old ranking lowest from Hearts CF options for passes per 90 and fourth for pass accuracy.

    The closest comparison on the ball, in terms of output, is James Wilson with the two forwards on par for passes per 90, pass accuracy, passes to the final third whilst Wilson just leads in shot creating actions and xA per 90.

    There's clear quality in Hale, but with Elton Kabangu and potentially Lawrence Shankland looking like they are sticking around and James Wilson having a breakout season it is hard to see where Hale would fit in - we have already seen that quality at County doesn't always translate to instant impact at Tynecastle - Yan Dhanda - and lacking tactical versatility from Hale makes it difficult to see how he would fit in for Hearts next year even at a cut price - Musa & Kenny could both leave which would make Hale one of four central options which would make the deal more likely but after a strong individual season is the County man going to accept a spot on the bench? Sam Dalby feels more of a natural fit but with Hearts missing out on Europe potentially a harder name to bring in particularly with interest in Scotland and down south.

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    Just checked a comparison between Hale this season and Simon Murray for Ross County last season

    Simon Murray;

    League games - 37
    Goals - 14
    Assists - 4
    Play off games - 2
    Goals - 2
    Assist - 0
    League cup games - 6
    League cup goals - 7
    League cup assists - 1

    Ronan Hale;

    League games - 36
    Goals - 12
    Assists - 0
    Play off games - 2
    Goals - 2
    Assists - 1
    League cup games - 3
    League cup goals - 3
    League cup assists - 0

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    A Hearts fan has done a detailed breakdown of Hale

    https://x.com/liamastewart/status/19...T_cnYbURW-GKJw

    From the second Ross County's relegation was confirmed fans have of various Premiership clubs have started discussing Ronan Hale and if he is worth a pick up particularly with rumours of a relegation release clause.

    Hearts fans are no different and with Shankland's future still currently a mystery let's take a look and see what the numbers say.

    The headline number been thrown around is Hale's 12 league goals this season from an xG of 10.77 - which makes Hale on of just four players outside of Celtic & Rangers to reach the milestone for the season.

    Three of Hale's goals came from the spot, leaving nine non penalty goals throughout the season.

    A look at those goals further shows;

    - Two tidy finishes from tight angles at the edge of the area against Motherwell & Hearts
    - A powerful effort unmarked inside the box after getting on the end of a poor clearance against St Mirren.
    - Two fantastic runs and finishes against Motherwell, left and right footed.
    - A nice turn and finish against Motherwell following a poor piece of defending.
    - An incredible finish against Hearts curling one in from the edge of the area and a similar goal against St Johnstone and a tap in against Dundee United.

    That means when you breakdown Hale's non penalty goals for the season he scored against Motherwell (4), Hearts (2), St Mirren (1), St Johnstone (1) and Dundee United (1).

    The immediate concern for Hearts would be stylistically how he fits McInnes' desired system - a manager that wants width and pace out wide and targets in the box, at 5'7 Hale is certainly not that.

    There is of course a precedent for McInnes having some amount of success with smaller forwards, Anderson at Aberdeen and Kilmarnock, and Hale's off the ball movement and ability to attack the space in behind could link up well with Shankland if the striker re-signs.

    Hale's numbers tell the story of County's season with the 26-year-old putting up a huge volume of shots and dribbles per 90 but with a below standard completion rate.

    No Hearts' player took more shots than Hale (91) while his 37.35% SOT rate ranks lower than any of Hearts' CF options - to be expected with a shot volume almost four times that of Wilson, Vargas, Musa and Kabangu.

    His 13% goal conversion rate sits above Musa & Shankland, while only Musa & Vargas, both of which had significant minutes out wide, produced more dribbles per 90 across the season with Vargas the closest comparison.

    Hale matches Kabangu's 30% offensive duel win rate despite 25% more duel output per 90.

    His 2.61 touches in the box per 90 is lower than any Hearts CF and aligns with the type of goal Hale scored most throughout the season around the edge of the area - but is also easily put down to the deep position and low possession game that County played with the lowest average time on ball in the league throughout the 24/25 season.

    This trend continues when you look at Hale's creative and ball progression numbers - with the 26-year-old ranking lowest from Hearts CF options for passes per 90 and fourth for pass accuracy.

    The closest comparison on the ball, in terms of output, is James Wilson with the two forwards on par for passes per 90, pass accuracy, passes to the final third whilst Wilson just leads in shot creating actions and xA per 90.

    There's clear quality in Hale, but with Elton Kabangu and potentially Lawrence Shankland looking like they are sticking around and James Wilson having a breakout season it is hard to see where Hale would fit in - we have already seen that quality at County doesn't always translate to instant impact at Tynecastle - Yan Dhanda - and lacking tactical versatility from Hale makes it difficult to see how he would fit in for Hearts next year even at a cut price - Musa & Kenny could both leave which would make Hale one of four central options which would make the deal more likely but after a strong individual season is the County man going to accept a spot on the bench? Sam Dalby feels more of a natural fit but with Hearts missing out on Europe potentially a harder name to bring in particularly with interest in Scotland and down south.
    Jamestown tactics have taking over the body of this clueless hearts fan.

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    If we can sign Hale then it’s a must.

    McInnes might be in for him but there’s no chance Hale goes there.
    Why is it a must? I think we can do much better personally.

    The priority in terms of forwards IMO is someone with a similar profile to Myko, if he’s not coming back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler Durden View Post
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    Why is it a must? I think we can do much better personally.

    The priority in terms of forwards IMO is someone with a similar profile to Myko, if he’s not coming back.
    He certainly seems to be a finisher, but not sure he’s much else. Don’t think he’s that good on the ball, or has genuine pace.
    That said, hard to judge in a team with no creativity.

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    Jamestown tactics have taking over the body of this clueless hearts fan.
    It’s a long winded way of saying that Hale isn’t any better than what they have. Which is true and applies to HIbs aswell.

    Aberdeen are probably a different story as they don’t appear to own a half decent forward as things stand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew70 View Post
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    If we can sign Hale then it’s a must.

    McInnes might be in for him but there’s no chance Hale goes there.
    Hale's not good enough for Hibs, from what I've seen of him.

    We're aiming for much better.

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    I’ve always thought there’s a barrowload of goals to be had for a poacher type from the crosses Chris Cadden puts over. Maybe a penalty box type like Hale would be the type to capitalise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler Durden View Post
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    Why is it a must? I think we can do much better personally.

    The priority in terms of forwards IMO is someone with a similar profile to Myko, if he’s not coming back.
    He’s a very good striker.

    Should have signed him from Cliftonville to be honest

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    Hale's not good enough for Hibs, from what I've seen of him.

    We're aiming for much better.
    If we are then fair play, doubt we will though. Would be a great option up top.

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    If we are then fair play, doubt we will though. Would be a great option up top.
    I think it's better to have an option like that than not to.

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