Willie Collum and media gaslighting

[itslegaltender]

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To be fair, Moriah-Welsh was very lucky not to get a second yellow.

Me and my son both thought he did get two yellows.

[BoomtownHibees]

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Me and my son both thought he did get two yellows.

Boyle got booked for kicking the ball away at the NMW foul. We thought he was going to his pocket for a 2nd yellow for NMW

[JohnM1875]

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Me and my son both thought he did get two yellows.

Same, not sure of Boyle was been clever by booting the ball away, but it worked and Boyle got the yellow.

[Carheenlea]

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This is the easiest get out for the officials/VAR if they want to use it. But Rangers will control the agenda though. If Rangers want goaline technology are they going to pay for it?

While we all pay for VAR anyway, I don’t thinks it unreasonable to have assumed that goal line technology was part of the deal. I didn’t know until yesterday that we don’t bother with it which I find extraordinary.

A sport where the vast majority of the laws of the game are down to matter of opinion as to how they are interpreted and so few decisions are actual matter of fact.

The one major matter of fact ruling is whether or not a ball has crossed a line or not. Technology can assist with this like we see in tennis. Surely with the idea of VAR, this is the very first item to address when it comes to helping match officials make a correct decision. There is then no debate, it’s either in or out.

I still can’t believe we didn’t already have it in place. Baffling.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

I thought the refs had an alert on a wrist band?

[JohnM1875]

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I thought the refs had an alert on a wrist band?

Don't have goal line technology up here, well we do, but only at Hampden.

[ancient hibee]

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While we all pay for VAR anyway, I don’t thinks it unreasonable to have assumed that goal line technology was part of the deal. I didn’t know until yesterday that we don’t bother with it which I find extraordinary.

A sport where the vast majority of the laws of the game are down to matter of opinion as to how they are interpreted and so few decisions are actual matter of fact.

The one major matter of fact ruling is whether or not a ball has crossed a line or not. Technology can assist with this like we see in tennis. Surely with the idea of VAR, this is the very first item to address when it comes to helping match officials make a correct decision. There is then no debate, it’s either in or out.

I still can’t believe we didn’t already have it in place. Baffling.

considered too expensive.

[O'Rourke3]

The two richest clubs have moaned about lack of goalline tech. They could afford to pay for it for the top keague, or at the very least front the money. If they were so upset they'd offer. Just enough to set off the fans and make it sound like they want it done as they both seem to be constantly cheated by officials..... The fact that John Brown is in the papers says it all. When he's the headline then you know is moonhowling proportions ....

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[gbhibby]

This whole issue is not whether we have goal line technology but giving officials in the VAR room the confidence to make a decision based on what they see as officials do on the field of play. The incident quoted by Matty at Pittodrie,the linesman gave the ball out but his vision was obscured by the goalposts. There are images of the incident yesterday that seem to show the ball over the line so if a goal was awarded by VAR we would have had to live with it and move on. VAR officials if in their opinion have a conclusive angle to back up their decision let them make a decision and we all have to live with it. Collum pandered to the review panel and media noise rather than backing up his colleagues to make an honest decision based on what they see
You reep what you sow

[Bristolhibby]

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Down south yes. Goal line technology has never been rolled out up here. Don’t confuse it with VAR. Goal line tech has been used down south for a few years prior to VAR’s introduction.

Yet goal line technology missed the very weird situation where the ball was pushed outside the frame of the goal into the net.

https://youtu.be/iYNH7b0qW0M?si=m1yP_ZCfesVnaLU1

[McD]

Discussing the merits of VAR and goal line technology is a deflection by the 2 biggest complainers and whiners, Rangers and Celtic.


If we had the best of all technology, both of these groups of self centred, entitled and selfish idiots would still screech about corruption, bias, and cheating against them, without any self awareness that they’re massively the biggest beneficiaries of dubious decisions.


Neither of them actually want better technology, they just want the officials to give them more/all of the decisions. We’ve had over a century of them being pandered to by the SFA, the league authorities and the refereeing fraternity, which has created and fed the sense of entitlement and perpetual dissatisfaction of never getting enough benefit.


They’re both pathetic.

[greenlex]

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Discussing the merits of VAR and goal line technology is a deflection by the 2 biggest complainers and whiners, Rangers and Celtic.


If we had the best of all technology, both of these groups of self centred, entitled and selfish idiots would still screech about corruption, bias, and cheating against them, without any self awareness that they’re massively the biggest beneficiaries of dubious decisions.


Neither of them actually want better technology, they just want the officials to give them more/all of the decisions. We’ve had over a century of them being pandered to by the SFA, the league authorities and the refereeing fraternity, which has created and fed the sense of entitlement and perpetual dissatisfaction of never getting enough benefit.


They’re both pathetic.

They’d still find a way to moan about. Probably saying it wasn’t switched on or not working probably.

[McD]

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They’d still find a way to moan about. Probably saying it wasn’t switched on or not working probably.

Exactly, that’s what I was meaning, unless they’re getting every decision they’re shrieking about corruption and bias. Utter cretins both of them

[Feed McGraw]

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Discussing the merits of VAR and goal line technology is a deflection by the 2 biggest complainers and whiners, Rangers and Celtic.


If we had the best of all technology, both of these groups of self centred, entitled and selfish idiots would still screech about corruption, bias, and cheating against them, without any self awareness that they’re massively the biggest beneficiaries of dubious decisions.


Neither of them actually want better technology, they just want the officials to give them more/all of the decisions. We’ve had over a century of them being pandered to by the SFA, the league authorities and the refereeing fraternity, which has created and fed the sense of entitlement and perpetual dissatisfaction of never getting enough benefit.


They’re both pathetic.

Quite possibly the best & most accurate post I've ever read on the subject.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

Still think Rocky clears that off the goal line if he isn't shoved over. When it wasn't awarded at the time, I assumed that was the reason that the goal wasn't given. Otherwise, I don't agree with the whole "VAR can't intervene" nonsense. It's the job of VAR to intervene where there's a clear and obvious error. The ball was clearly over the line. But again, I thought a foul should have been awarded for the barge on Rocky, which had a clear influence on the ball getting over the line.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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Still think Rocky clears that off the goal line if he isn't shoved over. When it wasn't awarded at the time, I assumed that was the reason that the goal wasn't given. Otherwise, I don't agree with the whole "VAR can't intervene" nonsense. It's the job of VAR to intervene where there's a clear and obvious error. The ball was clearly over the line. But again, I thought a foul should have been awarded for the barge on Rocky, which had a clear influence on the ball getting over the line.

You’d think that’s it role but remember Willie Collum changed the rule on that after Celtic went on and on about a disallowed goal. He sacked a guy for changing the decision so now the VAR teams won’t want to for fear of losing their job. Some size of a hole he dug.

[greenlex]

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You’d think that’s it role but remember Willie Collum changed the rule on that after Celtic went on and on about a disallowed goal. He sacked a guy for changing the decision so now the VAR teams won’t want to for fear of losing their job. Some size of a hole he dug.

VAR checks all goals given on field but was guessing at the Celtic game as the angles were not 100% conclusive and they said no goal changing the on field decision by effectively guesswork. That was wrong. Yesterday the goal wasn’t given but the incident would have been checked. Again it would have been guesswork to actually give the goal so correctly this time didn't intervene and change it. You could say they’ve learned.

[gbhibby]

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VAR checks all goals given on field but was guessing at the Celtic game as the angles were not 100% conclusive and they said no goal changing the on field decision by effectively guesswork. That was wrong. Yesterday the goal wasn’t given but the incident would have been checked. Again it would have been guesswork to actually give the goal so correctly this time didn't intervene and change it. You could say they’ve learned.

Don't think it was guesswork at the Celtic game did the VAR not ask for an angle and in his opinion the ball was out.Its all about opinions Collum and the panel deemed it to be inconclusive after the event. The VAR made a honest decision with the evidence in front of him at the time did he get it wrong maybe,did he get it right maybe he did.you still have to rely on the human element but until we have goal line technology and a Virtual Reality technology for the rest of the pitch it will never be 100%. Can understand the frustration from Celtic and The Rangers but that's the way it goes sometimes.

[matty_f]

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Don't think it was guesswork at the Celtic game did the VAR not ask for an angle and in his opinion the ball was out.Its all about opinions Collum and the panel deemed it to be inconclusive after the event. The VAR made a honest decision with the evidence in front of him at the time did he get it wrong maybe,did he get it right maybe he did.you still have to rely on the human element but until we have goal line technology and a Virtual Reality technology for the rest of the pitch it will never be 100%. Can understand the frustration from Celtic and The Rangers but that's the way it goes sometimes.

That's it - the VAR reviewing the footage of the Celtic incident looked at various angles where he was unable to draw a conclusion, then had an angle that, when he went frame by frame, he could see to his satisfaction, that the ball was out.

The audio is very clear on that, to his mind it is conclusive.

Willie Collum ignored this and said it wasn't conclusive and that he should have gone with the on field decision.

He also said, whilst sitting in front of a still image of the ball striking the Dundee United striker's arm, that there wasn't a conclusive image of the handball offense, despite the VAR again explaining what they saw and where the handball occurred.

This led directly to the VAR team looking at this incident on Saturday and either saying that in their opinion the ball doesn't cross the line, or that they can't say for definite that it crossed the line.

Collum had effectively asked them not to make any decisions on these instances.

[Speedy]

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Still think Rocky clears that off the goal line if he isn't shoved over. When it wasn't awarded at the time, I assumed that was the reason that the goal wasn't given. Otherwise, I don't agree with the whole "VAR can't intervene" nonsense. It's the job of VAR to intervene where there's a clear and obvious error. The ball was clearly over the line. But again, I thought a foul should have been awarded for the barge on Rocky, which had a clear influence on the ball getting over the line.

I don't think it was conclusive. I think it was likely over, if the job of VAR was to give it's best judgement then they'd have said a goal. But it may not have been. We're not talking about a Griffiths V Hearts or Lampard V Germany situation here, it is quite literally borderline.

If the goal was given by the ref, I'd also say it should have stood.

[matty_f]

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I don't think it was conclusive. I think it was likely over, if the job of VAR was to give it's best judgement then they'd have said a goal. But it may not have been. We're not talking about a Griffiths V Hearts or Lampard V Germany situation here, it is quite literally borderline.

If the goal was given by the ref, I'd also say it should have stood.

It definitely would have stood if the referee had given it.

[BILLYHIBS]

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Discussing the merits of VAR and goal line technology is a deflection by the 2 biggest complainers and whiners, Rangers and Celtic.


If we had the best of all technology, both of these groups of self centred, entitled and selfish idiots would still screech about corruption, bias, and cheating against them, without any self awareness that they’re massively the biggest beneficiaries of dubious decisions.


Neither of them actually want better technology, they just want the officials to give them more/all of the decisions. We’ve had over a century of them being pandered to by the SFA, the league authorities and the refereeing fraternity, which has created and fed the sense of entitlement and perpetual dissatisfaction of never getting enough benefit.


They’re both pathetic.

[Bushwoof]

I think the Celtc one was indeed conclusively out, but the difference on Saturday was that the ball was in the air. That makes it much more difficult, if not impossible to be certain based on the camera angles available. Gollum has made things harder for the officials but that was a hard call to make anyway, and I'm not sure VAR could have overturned the decision. Anyway, as Brendan Rogers says, the linesman was in the best place to judge.

[matty_f]

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I think the Celtc one was indeed conclusively out, but the difference on Saturday was that the ball was in the air. That makes it much more difficult, if not impossible to be certain based on the camera angles available. Gollum has made things harder for the officials but that was a hard call to make anyway, and I'm not sure VAR could have overturned the decision. Anyway, as Brendan Rogers says, the linesman was in the best place to judge.

The referee looked well positioned for it as well.

[Donegal Hibby]

After watching this …

https://www.skysports.com/football/v...inst-hibernian

[gbhibby]

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After watching this …

https://www.skysports.com/football/v...inst-hibernian

The ref watch team are probably not aware that Collum hung the VAR officials out to dry. Nothing wrong in using VAR for this type of incident and trusting your officials. Will be interesting if Collum does a u-turn in the next VAR review as his stance means that all marginal decisions will be deemed inconclusive he has probably created a fear factor amongst the VAR officials. Be interesting to hear the audio. Absolutely love it that we went up the park and scored.

[dangermouse]

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After watching this …

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Strangely no mention of Rocky being manhandled into the net before the ball crossed the line.

[Callum_62]

Definately over the line



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[Kato]

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Strangely no mention of Rocky being manhandled into the net before the ball crossed the line.

Still, given its Rangers its only right that we all should consider it a legitimate goal and a disgrace. Hibs fans should turn up at the next fixture in sack-cloth and ashes shouting "unclean". When it's our team we know these decisions are shrugged off by Sunday morning and we all should accept that too.

Absolute ass kissers in the media.

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[McD]

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After watching this …

https://www.skysports.com/football/v...inst-hibernian

They love the sounds of their own opinions on that show, if you (not you personally DH) watch every week you seem almost identical incidents get completely different reviews from them. Gallagher and Warnock just spout nonsense week after week. As someone else has pointed out, there’s not a single mention of Rocky getting shoved into the net