(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

[Ozyhibby]

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"Both the United States and the United Kingdom recognize that this document does not constitute a legally binding agreement."

I would say the deal is actually decent for the UK although cattle farmers may disagree. It reflects the fact Trump is getting desperate to be able to say he’s doing deals. It’s pretty flimsy all round though and I doubt it ever turn into an actual trade deal.


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[Ozyhibby]

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I would say the deal is actually decent for the UK although cattle farmers may disagree. It reflects the fact Trump is getting desperate to be able to say he’s doing deals. It’s pretty flimsy all round though and I doubt it ever turn into an actual trade deal.


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Or maybe not.


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[Smartie]

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Or maybe not.


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Is there not a nuance whereby the winners vs losers thing isn’t necessarily either nation but primarily importers or primarily exporters?

[The Tubs]

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Is there not a nuance whereby the winners vs losers thing isn’t necessarily either nation but primarily importers or primarily exporters?

What you probably need to understand before you do a deal like this is the future propensity of British people to consume the stuff whose tariffs have been reduced. If it's junk like their beer, you'll need a lot of brainwashing.

[Caversham Green]

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Is there not a nuance whereby the winners vs losers thing isn’t necessarily either nation but primarily importers or primarily exporters?

There are so many nuances that it's difficult to reach a conclusion at this stage.

The statement itself strikes me as pretty much meaningless without context - e.g. how the averages referred to are calculated. Were they simply a=100%; b=0% therefore average = 50%, or were they done over the total amounts traded, which is a moving target.

On the face of the statement one could conclude that the UK had higher tariffs on US goods than vice versa, in which case you couldn't really blame Trump for seeking to balance things out (and I feel a bit sick saying that) but without having more detail we can't be sure.

The 10% blanket tariff was always going to stand regardless - was that taken into account in assessing "winners" and "losers"? One point is that if the reduction in US tariffs on steel helps to keep the Strumphorpe site in action that's a big win for the UK.

Also, grunt's post that the document is not legally binding means that it is not a deal - it may be a concept of a deal, but right now it looks to me like two struggling politicians desperately trying to polish a turd.

Sorry for the stream of consciousness there.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Trump appoints Judge Jeanine Pirro




Bill Madden on X: "After hiring unqualified and incompetent drunk Pete Hegseth to be Defense Secretary, Trump's doubling down by giving serious consideration to unqualified and incompetent drunk Jeanine Pirro as US Attorney for DC. There has never been a more incompetent president than Trump, EVER. https://t.co/l8zTJYIMtH" / X

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[Caversham Green]

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There are so many nuances that it's difficult to reach a conclusion at this stage.

The statement itself strikes me as pretty much meaningless without context - e.g. how the averages referred to are calculated. Were they simply a=100%; b=0% therefore average = 50%, or were they done over the total amounts traded, which is a moving target.

On the face of the statement one could conclude that the UK had higher tariffs on US goods than vice versa, in which case you couldn't really blame Trump for seeking to balance things out (and I feel a bit sick saying that) but without having more detail we can't be sure.

The 10% blanket tariff was always going to stand regardless - was that taken into account in assessing "winners" and "losers"? One point is that if the reduction in US tariffs on steel helps to keep the Strumphorpe site in action that's a big win for the UK.

Also, grunt's post that the document is not legally binding means that it is not a deal - it may be a concept of a deal, but right now it looks to me like two struggling politicians desperately trying to polish a turd.

Sorry for the stream of consciousness there.

This guy says it better than me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwfk8Q0WvB8

[cabbageandribs1875]

he's a Genius

[matty_f]

Trump takes a $400m plane as a gift from Qatar https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy5ell3gkxvo

The US constitution forbids this, he said he’d be stupid to turn down a free plane. He’s genuinely a moron.

[Ozyhibby]

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/13/p...3T16%3A56%3A10

Sanctions lifted on Syria. New Trump tower in Damascus?


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[Keith_M]

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Trump takes a $400m plane as a gift from Qatar https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy5ell3gkxvo

The US constitution forbids this, he said he’d be stupid to turn down a free plane. He’s genuinely a moron.

It's ridiculous, isn't it.

The US Constitution is now pretty much meaningless.

[Hibbyradge]

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It's ridiculous, isn't it.

The US Constitution is now pretty much meaningless.

Apart from the second amendment.

[cabbageandribs1875]

RFK jr says Trump can't be bought

Ron Smith on X: "RFK Jr: We now have a president who is a man of his word. He can't be bought. He standing here for the American people.🤔 What about the plane gift? https://t.co/hEZNcptgIj" / X

[grunt]

[grunt]

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.autoblog.com/news/tesla-...oduction-pause

Tesla having to pause production in Texas due to falling demand.


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[Keith_M]

I just read that Trump said he's going to put the plane gifted to him in the 'presidential library'.

Just how big is the F***ing library!


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[Hibrandenburg]

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I just read that Trump said he's going to put the plane gifted to him in the 'presidential library'.

Just how big is the F***ing library!


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[Hibs4185]

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I just read that Trump said he's going to put the plane gifted to him in the 'presidential library'.

Just how big is the F***ing library!


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It’s a con so he can keep it

[CropleyWasGod]

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It’s a con so he can keep it

Who's gonna tell it to keep the noise down?

[Jim44]

https://youtu.be/BJFmQPj6G1A

You can always depend on De Niro to hit the nail on the head.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Bruce Springsteen not holding back 'Treasonous': Bruce Springsteen unleashes anti-Trump attacks as he kicks off tour

[Keith_M]

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Who's gonna tell it to keep the noise down?

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[grunt]

The Boss. Worth a watch, I think.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Bruce Springsteen not holding back 'Treasonous': Bruce Springsteen unleashes anti-Trump attacks as he kicks off tour

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The Boss. Worth a watch, I think.

The response will include the word "failing"

One of my favourite of Bruce's songs.

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[Jim44]

Trump’s crazy autocratic mission is gathering strength and with his absolute control over every sycophantic Republican lemming and a largely toothless Democratic opposition, he will almost certainly be in a position to gain nomination for a third term by unilaterally changing the rules. It seems there’s nothing to stop him, unless of-course the Grim Reaper does us a favour. Fingers crossed.

[Ozyhibby]

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Trump’s crazy autocratic mission is gathering strength and with his absolute control over every sycophantic Republican lemming and a largely toothless Democratic opposition, he will almost certainly be in a position to gain nomination for a third term by unilaterally changing the rules. It seems there’s nothing to stop him, unless of-course the Grim Reaper does us a favour. Fingers crossed.

You can’t unilaterally change the constitution.


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[s.a.m]

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You can’t unilaterally change the constitution

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No. But somebody needs to be brave enough to stop him doing it.
And the Supreme Court needs to not choose to play semantics games with it.