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    Rocky is 25 and Porto 26 . Not really much between them age wise . One seems well liked by his teammates , good character that we have had no ON/OFF field issues with .

    The other one there has been situations ON/OFF field . I didn’t think his attitude was right towards the end and was glad when he moved on .

    Honestly don’t think as a player he’s an improvement on Rocky , certainly not character or attitude wise anyhow . There’s a good spirit and togetherness in this squad and hopefully that remains.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnM1875 View Post
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    According to the DR, Sallinger release clause is £300k, though he's keen on the move going into his final year so we’re confident we can negotiate the fee down a bit.

    Still think going for Paulsen makes more sense.
    Could be an example of us saying no to BKFC and doing our own thing. We don't have to develop Paulsen for them if we see a 2/3/4 year deal for Sallinger as a better option for the club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coco Bryce View Post
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    Porteous couldn't even get a game in a **** Preston North End side.

    I've watched many a game with him playing since he went down South. He's not really progressed since he left Hibs.

    It's a NO from me.
    Have a look at their league position and goals conceded and games lost, it's nothing to do with defending that they are poor, they cant score at the other end.

    They have lost less times that Coventry who are in the play offs, they have conceded 59 goals 1 more than Coventry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibernian Verse View Post
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    Could be an example of us saying no to BKFC and doing our own thing. We don't have to develop Paulsen for them if we see a 2/3/4 year deal for Sallinger as a better option for the club.
    Aye, don't think there's any doubt that we’d do whats best for us now. But by all accounts Paulsen is very highly thought of and is coming off the back of a good season, fair enough in a weaker league than the Austrian Bundesliga.

    Could also be that we can't guarantee him a starting position.

    Whatever we decide on, I’ll trust Hibs decision on it.

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    SDG, Garvan Stewart and Malky will be thinking of Hibs best interest

    Paulsen may be very highly rated, but Bournemouth will likely want him to be first choice, he might only be with us for one season.

    Sallinger might be coming in to be the number 1 for years to come?

    Maybe he’s back up and smith will continue as number 1.

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    SDG, Garvan Stewart and Malky will be thinking of Hibs best interest

    Paulsen may be very highly rated, but Bournemouth will likely want him to be first choice, he might only be with us for one season.

    Sallinger might be coming in to be the number 1 for years to come?

    Maybe he’s back up and smith will continue as number 1.
    If there is anything in it, I couldn’t see us spending hundreds of thousands of pounds on a goalie to come on as a number 2.

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    SDG, Garvan Stewart and Malky will be thinking of Hibs best interest

    Paulsen may be very highly rated, but Bournemouth will likely want him to be first choice, he might only be with us for one season.

    Sallinger might be coming in to be the number 1 for years to come?

    Maybe he’s back up and smith will continue as number 1.
    We also have to look at how many loans we can have , can't remember how many it is?
    And what positions we can fill using the loan market best.

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    According to the DR, Sallinger release clause is £300k, though he's keen on the move going into his final year so we’re confident we can negotiate the fee down a bit.

    Still think going for Paulsen makes more sense.
    I think if we signed Paulsen Bournemouth would want to see him playing regularly as our No 1 . I don’t think on current form it would be the right thing to do in dropping Smith and signing another keeper makes more sense .

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    Aberdeen spending a bit again , must have spent quite a bit since Thelin became manager…

    https://www.aberdeenlive.news/sport/...greed-10175954

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby View Post
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    I think if we signed Paulsen Bournemouth would want to see him playing regularly as our No 1 . I don’t think on current form it would be the right thing to do in dropping Smith and signing another keeper makes more sense .
    While I would rather play whoever is the better option at any time, I would agree that if we were to bring a new keeper in I'd rather sign someone that could be here longer term and fight for the position with Smith instead of someone like Paulsen who is perhaps more of a "use it or lose it" type.

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    Glad we are looking at a tall keeper to be our number one next season, if he signs Smith will be back to back up, we wont be spending 300 grand on a back up goalie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby View Post
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    Aberdeen spending a bit again , must have spent quite a bit since Thelin became manager…

    https://www.aberdeenlive.news/sport/...greed-10175954
    Yep Thelin has been supported very well spent big in January also

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    Aberdeen spending a bit again , must have spent quite a bit since Thelin became manager…

    https://www.aberdeenlive.news/sport/...greed-10175954
    Spent 4 million since Thelin came in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.H.F.C View Post
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    If there is anything in it, I couldn’t see us spending hundreds of thousands of pounds on a goalie to come on as a number 2.
    I don’t think there’s anything in it all, we went the whole January window with no leaks no rumours and Scott burns has the scoop 2 months early now, not buying it, trying to unsettle us going into the final few games of the season

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    If we're signing anyone they should be better than what we already have in the squad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hibsforeurope View Post
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    If we're signing anyone they should be better than what we already have in the squad.
    Hope the recruitment team have thought of this strategy

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    Spent 4 million since Thelin came in.
    How much did they get for Miovski?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoomtownHibees View Post
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    Hope the recruitment team have thought of this strategy
    Fingers crossed, plenty comments on here suggesting we bring in fillers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Since452 View Post
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    Spent 4 million since Thelin came in.
    Did they not make around that in player sales?

    They sold that striker who’s name escapes me for big money, sure there was someone else as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 04Sauzee View Post
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    How much did they get for Miovski?
    6.5m

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    Yep Thelin has been supported very well spent big in January also
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    Spent 4 million since Thelin came in.
    Quite incredible when you think back to the 26 Nov when we played them we could have went something like 22 points behind them and despite what they spent too we are now 3 points ahead of them .

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    We were 6th in the league when he left and we finished 5th. We picked up 1.22ppg before he left that season and 1.56ppg after he left. We went on an undefeated run of 5 games conceding 2 goals immediately after he left. We got considerably better by every measure.
    I think this is a really unfair post to be honest. Firstly I'm not sure where the 1.56ppg after Porteous left has come from, as far as I can see it was 1.38ppg, an improvement from 1.23ppg before he left.

    But secondly the you can't ignore another significant change in the team that season which Nisbet returned from injury which was around a month before Porteous left. The improvement in ppg is very similar from before and after Nisbet returned from his bad injury.

    When Nisbet was out the team injured (in league games only) we scored on average 1.16 gpg and conceded 1.37 gpg, a differential of -0.21 gpg. When he was in the team we scored 1.84 gpg, conceding 1.74 gpg, suggesting that we played a much more attacking style and the differential between goals scored and goals conceded was positive rather than negative meaning the likelyhood of winning games (on average) was higher.

    If you look at goals conceded (in league games only) with and without Porteous that season it is very similar, 1.59 gpg without Porteous vs 1.62 gpg with Porteous, a difference of just over a single goal over the course of the season. I think there's a valid argument that Nisbet's return had a bigger impact on our season than Porteous leaving. There will be many other factors of course that influenced the team.

    FWIW If Porteous returns he needs to cut out the rash tackles, keep a bit of a lower profile on the pitch and off it, concentrate fully and become a good leader rather than berating team mates, but he's got all the ability to be an excellent defender in this league if he can do that. If we are losing one or both of Rocky and Miller then he's a ready made replacement IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CapitalGreen View Post
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    Jack Iredale this season is 1.22 per 90
    Rocky this season is 1.19 per 90

    Ryan Porteous over his whole time at Hibs was 1.17 per 90
    Ryan Porteous during 20/21 specifically was 1.01 per 90
    Issue with using these figures as examples of one player’s value to the team is that there’s no context to them. Quality of opposition, number of games, other changes (for example we changed goalkeeper when Iredale and Rocky came into the team, which is a really significant thing).

    They provide a starting point but they don’t really prove anything on their own, it’s just information but you need more than just one data point to do any sort of meaningful analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby View Post
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    Quite incredible when you think back to the 26 Nov when we played them we could have went something like 22 points behind them and despite what they spent too we are now 3 points ahead of them .
    They are joint bottom with St Johnstone since 22nd November. If he carries that form into the new season Thelin won't see October.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby View Post
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    Quite incredible when you think back to the 26 Nov when we played them we could have went something like 22 points behind them and despite what they spent too we are now 3 points ahead of them .
    We were 23 points behind them, would have gone 26 behind if not for Rocky's equaliser.

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    Is it okay for me to like both Rocky and Porteous?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hibsforeurope View Post
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    Fingers crossed, plenty comments on here suggesting we bring in fillers.
    We'll need a selection of both better than what we have and squad players if we get group stage European football.

    Squad needs beefing up to support us through the fixture congestion that Europe will bring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergio sledge View Post
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    I think this is a really unfair post to be honest. Firstly I'm not sure where the 1.56ppg after Porteous left has come from, as far as I can see it was 1.38ppg, an improvement from 1.23ppg before he left.

    But secondly the you can't ignore another significant change in the team that season which Nisbet returned from injury which was around a month before Porteous left. The improvement in ppg is very similar from before and after Nisbet returned from his bad injury.

    When Nisbet was out the team injured (in league games only) we scored on average 1.16 gpg and conceded 1.37 gpg, a differential of -0.21 gpg. When he was in the team we scored 1.74 gpg, conceding 1.84 gpg, suggesting that we played a much more attacking style and the differential between goals scored and goals conceded was lower meaning the likelyhood of winning games (on average) was higher.

    If you look at goals conceded (in league games only) with and without Porteous that season it is very similar, 1.59 gpg without Porteous vs 1.62 gpg with Porteous, a difference of just over a single goal over the course of the season. I think there's a valid argument that Nisbet's return had a bigger impact on our season than Porteous leaving. There will be many other factors of course that influenced the team.

    FWIW If Porteous returns he needs to cut out the rash tackles, keep a bit of a lower profile on the pitch and off it, concentrate fully and become a good leader rather than berating team mates, but he's got all the ability to be an excellent defender in this league if he can do that. If we are losing one or both of Rocky and Miller then he's a ready made replacement IMHO.
    We had 27 points from 22 games prior to Porteous leaving. We finished the season with 52 points, so 25 points from the remaining 16 games. That’s 1.56ppg.

    You’re right in that there would have been plenty other factors, but it’s numerous factors combined that lead to results. For the same reason the idea that Porteous being in the defence was the sole reason for our goals conceded whilst he was in the team as has been alluded to by other posters is also nonsense.

    The post I responded to though simply said that we became considerably worse when he left. We didn’t, we got better, picking up considerably more points and moving higher up the table. We were a better side that season when Ryan Porteous wasn’t in it. That much is inarguable, what is arguable is how much of that was down to Porteous not being in it. IMO it was a fairly significant factor as his general play was dreadful around the time he left, hence why so many people wanted him dropped or even sold.
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