SNP are lying b******s as well !

[jamie_1875]

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I think it’s fair to say the SNP took a bit of a wrong turn at the end of Sturgeon and with Yousaf. Swinney and Forbes have us back on track again and focusing on bread and butter issues.


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Swinney was on the TV last night saying something along the lines of his job was to improve the standard of living of people in Scotland and put more money into people's pockets etc. Unfortunately I quite like him, he is a bit boring but certainly competent and seems to understand what the priorities are (which is not self ID etc)

[Hibs4185]

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I think it’s fair to say the SNP took a bit of a wrong turn at the end of Sturgeon and with Yousaf. Swinney and Forbes have us back on track again and focusing on bread and butter issues.


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Agreed

[Moulin Yarns]

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Swinney was on the TV last night saying something along the lines of his job was to improve the standard of living of people in Scotland and put more money into people's pockets etc. Unfortunately I quite like him, he is a bit boring but certainly competent and seems to understand what the priorities are (which is not self ID etc)

I actually said to my missus that john swin̈ney is the equivalent of john major, a grey politician who won't offend anyone. I think you've just confirmed it. 🤣


He is also my msp and I've met him a few times.

[Stairway 2 7]

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I actually said to my missus that john swin̈ney is the equivalent of john major, a grey politician who won't offend anyone. I think you've just confirmed it. 🤣


He is also my msp and I've met him a few times.

Although not a fan of most of Majors policy, he is a world away from the basket cases of disgraceful Tory leaders we've had in recent years.

I like Swinney and some years of little offence will be a disaster for the No campaigners

[Ozyhibby]

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Although not a fan of most of Majors policy, he is a world away from the basket cases of disgraceful Tory leaders we've had in recent years.

I like Swinney and some years of little offence will be a disaster for the No campaigners

I wasn’t keen on Swinney and wanted to go straight to Forbes but he has done a decent job and has let her focus on business and the economy. Happy to say it’s working well.


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[Hibs4185]

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I think it’s fair to say the SNP took a bit of a wrong turn at the end of Sturgeon and with Yousaf. Swinney and Forbes have us back on track again and focusing on bread and butter issues.


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Agreed

[Andy Bee]

I'd agree with all the points about John Swinney but, I know, I know, if things remain the same then it's going to be a low turnout election. SNP will be the largest party but in the main it's SNP voters who stay home. There's probably going to be a cabinet reshuffle so there's that but slow and steady is not getting people motivated. I'm reserving judgement until Farage comes out with his battle plan because I have an inkling that's what Swinney is waiting for or indeed will be forced into counteracting. I just wish he'd do something radical like nationalise or at least start an energy generating company or start charging ground rent for all these new cables being laid, just something designed to really help the population that will ultimately be shot down by the UKG.

[Jack]

John Swinney is a 3 wood off the 1st tee at St Andrews, when all the day trippers are watching, but what you really need is your driver!

[Hibs4185]

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John Swinney is a 3 wood off the 1st tee at St Andrews, when all the day trippers are watching, but what you really need is your driver!

That’s a bit generous, he’s more like a safe 5 iron

[Just Alf]

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John Swinney is a 3 wood off the 1st tee at St Andrews, when all the day trippers are watching, but what you really need is your driver!

Ah, you've "enjoyed" that situation also! :-(

I ignored the day trippers and ended up firing off an extremely turbo charged putt with the driver, oh how I wish I'd used my 3!

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Ah, you've "enjoyed" that situation also! :-(

I ignored the day trippers and ended up firing off an extremely turbo charged putt with the driver, oh how I wish I'd used my 3!

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Must have been a quality night oot the night before if you were putting off the first tee with the driver

[cabbageandribs1875]

Scotland gets first Patient Safety Commissioner three years after England and 18 years after a leading European expert said it was already ‘at the very top pillar with regards to patient safety’ – Talking-up Scotland

[overdrive]

Sorry if this is not allowed (and I’ll take a ban for this) but I’m a key member of Republic Edinburgh and we are holding a rally for a republic tomorrow 2pm Calton Hill. Down with the Crown

[Sylar]

The extremity of the SNP alcohol laws is ludicrous. Bought a pack of Corona since we were having a BBQ yesterday. Not my normal beer of choice (and probably paid a few quid extra for the privilege of buying it in Scotland). Box included a QR code to scan to potentially win a trip to Mexico. Never normally enter these things but thought (after a few of aforementioned Corona) **** it and scanned it. Unavailable “due to licensing laws in Scotland”.

[Keith_M]

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Sorry if this is not allowed (and I’ll take a ban for this) but I’m a key member of Republic Edinburgh and we are holding a rally for a republic tomorrow 2pm Calton Hill. Down with the Crown

How did it go?

[Hibs4185]

What’s a key member?

[Berwickhibby]

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How did it go?

All 4 of them had a fab time 🤣🤣🤣

[overdrive]

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How did it go?

It went well. Not a massive turnout but generally well received by passers by. Some very strange reporting of it in the Herald who had a columnist who made out he was there. Yet he plainly wasn’t and was making stuff up about what happened at the event, etc.

[Ozyhibby]

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The only party making the positive adult case for more immigration.


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[jamie_1875]

The SNP position is that they don't support the public finance of munitions, so how would you arm the armed forces with anything useful? This was on the TV this morning.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/not-provid...101348707.html

Do they expect the Army to fight with water bombs and potato guns?

[Hibs4185]

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The SNP position is that they don't support the public finance of munitions, so how would you arm the armed forces with anything useful? This was on the TV this morning.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/not-provid...101348707.html

Do they expect the Army to fight with water bombs and potato guns?

Ireland doesn’t have much of an army?

I don’t think an independent scotland would need much either. We are known around the world for being friendly.

Would only need one of England tried to colonise us again

[Stairway 2 7]

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Ireland doesn’t have much of an army?

I don’t think an independent scotland would need much either. We are known around the world for being friendly.

Would only need one of England tried to colonise us again

It's pathetic that a rich nation like Ireland doesn't do enough to help world freedom. If the UK, France, Norway and Germany etc took the same attitude then Muslims in Bosnia would have been obliterated and Ukraine would be Russian. I admit I was probably quite nieve and pacifist pre Ukraine but things have changed.

Mad men like Putin and Trump would take any week country they could and Scotland shouldn't go begging to other countries to protect them.

I'm certain that won't happen and we'll get an agreement with RUK post independence and pay our way in NATO

[jamie_1875]

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Ireland doesn’t have much of an army?

I don’t think an independent scotland would need much either. We are known around the world for being friendly.

Would only need one of England tried to colonise us again

Never really answered my question though, how do you arm an army when you are against public funds for munitions? Well you can't and it's a stupid position to take, rightly described as student politics. It's a long standing position apparently, the problem with long standing positions is they become out of date and not in line with the modern world.

Ireland still has an army though and I am sure they don't arm them with toy guns and bullets.

As for the comment about the English invading Scotland I am guessing it was a joke? All the colonist chat really doesn't help Indy but that's just my opinion, it's not what the people in the street feel and that's probably why it's a view held by the likes of the more extreme Indy parties that attract the Tommy Sheridans and Craig Murrays and rejected by the mainstream Indy parties. Imagine knocking on doors and asking people how they feel about their colonist status etc...they would look at you a bit oddly I am guessing and want to talk about the NHS, Education and jobs etc.

[Ozyhibby]

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It's pathetic that a rich nation like Ireland doesn't do enough to help world freedom. If the UK, France, Norway and Germany etc took the same attitude then Muslims in Bosnia would have been obliterated and Ukraine would be Russian. I admit I was probably quite nieve and pacifist pre Ukraine but things have changed.

Mad men like Putin and Trump would take any week country they could and Scotland shouldn't go begging to other countries to protect them.

I'm certain that won't happen and we'll get an agreement with RUK post independence and pay our way in NATO

Irelands position has been evolving over recent years. And as far as they are concerned part of their country is still under occupation.


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[Hibs4185]

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Never really answered my question though, how do you arm an army when you are against public funds for munitions? Well you can't and it's a stupid position to take, rightly described as student politics. It's a long standing position apparently, the problem with long standing positions is they become out of date and not in line with the modern world.

Ireland still has an army though and I am sure they don't arm them with toy guns and bullets.

As for the comment about the English invading Scotland I am guessing it was a joke? All the colonist chat really doesn't help Indy but that's just my opinion, it's not what the people in the street feel and that's probably why it's a view held by the likes of the more extreme Indy parties that attract the Tommy Sheridans and Craig Murrays and rejected by the mainstream Indy parties. Imagine knocking on doors and asking people how they feel about their colonist status etc...they would look at you a bit oddly I am guessing and want to talk about the NHS, Education and jobs etc.

Without any doubt scotland meets the definition kf
Colonisation. Robert Black who is the probably the highest authority in Scots law also agrees and he’s the professor emiratus at Edinburgh Uni. He’s hardly a nutcase?

You might not like to think of it in such a way but that can be argued that’s what colonisation does to people.

Read Robert Blacks opinion on the issue and see if you still think that the act of union was a voluntary arrangement.

As for your point regarding, why would scotland need an army if independent? Does Switzerland have a massive army?

Scotland would need a minimal army for various things but in no way woild we need anything like the British army.

[jamie_1875]

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Without any doubt scotland meets the definition kf
Colonisation. Robert Black who is the probably the highest authority in Scots law also agrees and he’s the professor emiratus at Edinburgh Uni. He’s hardly a nutcase?

You might not like to think of it in such a way but that can be argued that’s what colonisation does to people.

Read Robert Blacks opinion on the issue and see if you still think that the act of union was a voluntary arrangement.

As for your point regarding, why would scotland need an army if independent? Does Switzerland have a massive army?

Scotland would need a minimal army for various things but in no way woild we need anything like the British army.

It doesn't really matter if there is one single soldier in the army of an Independent Scotland or not, as per SNP policy they wouldn't be armed so not much of an army? It's a stupid outdated policy isn't it? And it's the SNP policy to have an Army and a Navy etc so they would be pretty useless without any guns and ammunition. It's ok to say it's a stupid policy....

As for the colony stuff then I will disagree and think it's for the birds. It's not something I believe the people of Scotland are thinking about and as I say if you knocked on doors and asked people how they feel about their colonial status and being suppressed etc they would look at you a bit oddly, just my view.

Just for fun I googled the definition of a colony.

"A colony, in its simplest form, is a settlement of people from one country (the "mother country") who establish a new home in another territory, often under the political control of the mother country. Essentially, it's a place where a group of people from one area build a new home in a different area and are still connected to their original country."

I don't believe Scotland is anything like what is described above.

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The SNP position is that they don't support the public finance of munitions, so how would you arm the armed forces with anything useful? This was on the TV this morning.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/not-provid...101348707.html

Do they expect the Army to fight with water bombs and potato guns?

You seem to have created an argument on what the SNP policy is based on the words of your Labour colleagues rather than listening to what the SNP say?

The 2024 SNP White Paper on independence says on the subject of defence:

An independent Scotland would invest in the core capabilities of its armed forces.

The defence and security of the nation, its people and resources are the first duty of every government. How we protect our people, territory, critical national infrastructure and way of life from threats will be a key question for a newly independent nation.

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Just for fun I googled the definition of a colony.

"A colony, in its simplest form, is a settlement of people from one country (the "mother country") who establish a new home in another territory, often under the political control of the mother country. Essentially, it's a place where a group of people from one area build a new home in a different area and are still connected to their original country."

I don't believe Scotland is anything like what is described above.

If you read beyond the first line you'll discover the third definition of a colony:

A region politically controlled by a distant country; a dependency.

[Andy Bee]

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It doesn't really matter if there is one single soldier in the army of an Independent Scotland or not, as per SNP policy they wouldn't be armed so not much of an army? It's a stupid outdated policy isn't it? And it's the SNP policy to have an Army and a Navy etc so they would be pretty useless without any guns and ammunition. It's ok to say it's a stupid policy....

As for the colony stuff then I will disagree and think it's for the birds. It's not something I believe the people of Scotland are thinking about and as I say if you knocked on doors and asked people how they feel about their colonial status and being suppressed etc they would look at you a bit oddly, just my view.

Just for fun I googled the definition of a colony.

"A colony, in its simplest form, is a settlement of people from one country (the "mother country") who establish a new home in another territory, often under the political control of the mother country. Essentially, it's a place where a group of people from one area build a new home in a different area and are still connected to their original country."

I don't believe Scotland is anything like what is described above.

Are you actually trying to spin that SNP policy is not to arm an army after Independence? The policy is not to invest public money in arms manufacturers which is completely different. That's not even factoring in that I highly doubt the SNP would be in power after Independence or policies like that would even be the remit of Government rather than a direct democracy model where the electorate would decide.

As for the colony argument, it's pretty easy to pluck something that suits your own narrative from Google, another example from the Cambridge Dictionary....colony.....a country or area controlled politically by a more powerful country. The fact is in 1707 a number of Scottish MP's moved down to Westminster, the Scottish Parliament was distinguished, they took their seats in Westminster which was obviously the English Parliament and the English Parliament carried on as if nothing had happened, the bill previously being discussed before the day of union was bill 634, the bill being discussed on the day of Union was bill 635, same speaker as the previous day and same English MP's. England effectively changed its name to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and carried on as normal. In my book that's taking control of another country, you can call it colonisation, a hostile takeover or just a takeover but what it's not is a Union or an equal partnership and it's now becoming increasingly clear it's not a voluntary union either.

[jamie_1875]

If you guys think the colonist argument is the winning one please crack on.