SNP are lying b******s as well !

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Everyone loves things to be cheaper but Transport Scotland said the pilot never achieved it's aims and had limited success when they scrapped peak rail fares not that long ago. Wonder what changed.

The pilot was severely hindered by constant strikes and reduced timetables to be fair

[danhibees1875]

Nice that peak fares are gone, gives me a more balanced choice now as to whether I go for the train or bus. The train is quicker, and now about the same price... but would probably require buying a second car.

It's a shame singles aren't cheaper. I'd be tempted to bus in and train home (train would require a 2 mile walk) in the summer. But by the time you do that it's just the most expensive way to travel.

£6 single and £6.90 return.

Bus is the opposite, £3.20 singles but a return (well, day ticket) is £8.50.

[Jack]

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Nice that peak fares are gone, gives me a more balanced choice now as to whether I go for the train or bus. The train is quicker, and now about the same price... but would probably require buying a second car.

It's a shame singles aren't cheaper. I'd be tempted to bus in and train home (train would require a 2 mile walk) in the summer. But by the time you do that it's just the most expensive way to travel.

£6 single and £6.90 return.

Bus is the opposite, £3.20 singles but a return (well, day ticket) is £8.50.

Bus tickets can be weird.

When my daughter moved to Rosyth I was surprised to learn a return was cheaper than a single. Now I see the price is £9.80 single or £7.00 return.

I've also noted the drivers are a bit selective about who they tell of the weirdness if the punters ask for a single!

[overdrive]

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Nice that peak fares are gone, gives me a more balanced choice now as to whether I go for the train or bus. The train is quicker, and now about the same price... but would probably require buying a second car.

It's a shame singles aren't cheaper. I'd be tempted to bus in and train home (train would require a 2 mile walk) in the summer. But by the time you do that it's just the most expensive way to travel.

£6 single and £6.90 return.

Bus is the opposite, £3.20 singles but a return (well, day ticket) is £8.50.

The train will become cheaper than the bus (and technically the tram) where I live for getting into the city centre during peak hours. £2.20 single for the bus (and technically the tram). £3.80 return from South Gyle to Waverley.

I say technically the tram because they technically have the same fares as the bus but if you use the ET app you can get 10 tram only day tickets for £35. £3.50 vs £3.80 brings it more to a choice of convenience. The train station is slightly closer to my house and is quicker but they are way less frequent.

[Sylar]

A long overdue step tbh - our rail fares are exorbitant compared to our European neighbours. Oh for a system like France or Germany where a small monthly fee yields unlimited travel on certain routes/train types - perhaps that can become an aspirational policy...

[Ozyhibby]

SNP vote holding up well according to today’s poll.


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SNP vote holding up well according to today’s poll.


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I watched Scot cast I think it’s called on BBC scotland, both pundits thought reform would be 8-10 seats max. Hope they don’t get 21, mind you if they continue to poll high for the next 12 months it may focus some independence minded folks to work together on a strategy

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I watched Scot cast I think it’s called on BBC scotland, both pundits thought reform would be 8-10 seats max. Hope they don’t get 21, mind you if they continue to poll high for the next 12 months it may focus some independence minded folks to work together on a strategy

The SNP are pretty united on Indy.


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SNP vote holding up well according to today’s poll.


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I don't get these polls :- If Reform are doing that well then Labour and Tory are being hit and Reform are splitting their vote. SNP should benefit from that but the polls aren't showing this, especially if Reform are fielding candidates in the constituency seats. Borders for example, unless all Tory voters have switched to Reform in some clinically planned strategy then the Tory vote will be split and SNP will take seats. Ballot Box Scotland have SNP on 59 and Reform on 12 - 14 using the average of all major pollsters including Survation but not this latest poll. In all polling SNP take at best 1 seat from the list vote, that's over 1m votes for only 1 seat at best. At the risk of sounding like a broken record the choice is vote SNP 1 and 2 and get similar to above quoted poll or vote SNP 1 and put politics to one side along with how the media portray them and vote Alba 2. There I've said it.

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I don't get these polls :- If Reform are doing that well then Labour and Tory are being hit and Reform are splitting their vote. SNP should benefit from that but the polls aren't showing this, especially if Reform are fielding candidates in the constituency seats. Borders for example, unless all Tory voters have switched to Reform in some clinically planned strategy then the Tory vote will be split and SNP will take seats. Ballot Box Scotland have SNP on 59 and Reform on 12 - 14 using the average of all major pollsters including Survation but not this latest poll. In all polling SNP take at best 1 seat from the list vote, that's over 1m votes for only 1 seat at best. At the risk of sounding like a broken record the choice is vote SNP 1 and 2 and get similar to above quoted poll or vote SNP 1 and put politics to one side along with how the media portray them and vote Alba 2. There I've said it.

Alba hate the SNP so why would I vote for them? All I ever see them do is attack the SNP.


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The SNP are pretty united on Indy.


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The independence movement isn’t United. SNP 1 & 2 doesn’t give the best outcome for independence. I haven’t even heard john swinney talk about independence lately.

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The independence movement isn’t United. SNP 1 & 2 doesn’t give the best outcome for independence. I haven’t even heard john swinney talk about independence lately.

I guess it’s up to Alba to make themselves attractive to SNP supporters?
The SNP can’t promote another party. It’s up to other parties to convince SNP supporters to vote for them on the regional list. I’m no expert but attacking the SNP all the time is probably not the best way to go about this?


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Alba hate the SNP so why would I vote for them? All I ever see them do is attack the SNP.


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If true why would that matter although Kenny MacAskill has stated publicly the fighting has to stop? I'm pretty sure Russell Findlay and his mob hate the SNP, Sarwars Labour certainly does and Alex Cole Hamilton doesn't even think Scotland is a country. The point is the SNP, Alba and all their members have Scotlands interests at heart, they are not hamstrung to Westminster parties. Imagine that poll above coming to fruition, 21 Reform nutters in Holyrood, it'll be absolutely toxic and what happens if Farage gets in in 29?. It's time to try something new. SNP 1 Alba 2 wipes out Reform it's really that simple and could give the added benefit of a 2/3rds majority in Parliament which has options.

I aint fighting for the Alba cause, my views on them are probably the same as yours but if you look into them a bit more closely and put the rhetoric to one side their policies are fairly similar to the SNPs. Did you see Sarwar or Findlay on TV fighting over the Grangemouth closure, I know I watched MacAskill frequently, Neil Hanvey or some immigrant hating, devolution scrapping political opportunist that's the choice.

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If true why would that matter although Kenny MacAskill has stated publicly the fighting has to stop? I'm pretty sure Russell Findlay and his mob hate the SNP, Sarwars Labour certainly does and Alex Cole Hamilton doesn't even think Scotland is a country. The point is the SNP, Alba and all their members have Scotlands interests at heart, they are not hamstrung to Westminster parties. Imagine that poll above coming to fruition, 21 Reform nutters in Holyrood, it'll be absolutely toxic and what happens if Farage gets in in 29?. It's time to try something new. SNP 1 Alba 2 wipes out Reform it's really that simple and could give the added benefit of a 2/3rds majority in Parliament which has options.

I aint fighting for the Alba cause, my views on them are probably the same as yours but if you look into them a bit more closely and put the rhetoric to one side their policies are fairly similar to the SNPs. Did you see Sarwar or Findlay on TV fighting over the Grangemouth closure, I know I watched MacAskill frequently, Neil Hanvey or some immigrant hating, devolution scrapping political opportunist that's the choice.

Pretty much where I am. Would never habe considered voting Alba but if every independence supporter votes alba, it increases the pro independence majority and keeps reform out.

SNP 1 & 2 is a waste of the second vote.

Personally I’d vote any party in the list vote that furthers independence. There should be a consensus on which party stands in which area to maximise the list vote

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I guess it’s up to Alba to make themselves attractive to SNP supporters?
The SNP can’t promote another party. It’s up to other parties to convince SNP supporters to vote for them on the regional list. I’m no expert but attacking the SNP all the time is probably not the best way to go about this?


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I know this is pigs may fly territory but IF John Swinney came out and announced SNP were not fielding candidates in some of the list seats that he knows for sure they have no chance of winning then that will motivate Indy voters to vote in the constituency vote for SNP. IF it was marketed correctly and taken up by the MSM then that could see a majority won in the constituency votes alone especially if Reform contest constituency seats. Swinney attending the Indy Summit suggested by MacAskill for all Indy parties would be a great start also.

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The independence movement isn’t United. SNP 1 & 2 doesn’t give the best outcome for independence. I haven’t even heard john swinney talk about independence lately.

He spoke about it yesterday.

“That will be my pitch to people in Scotland: if they want to have guaranteed progress on the future of Scotland and for Scotland to become an independent country it is not going to come about by any other means than the SNP doing really well.”

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I don't get these polls :- If Reform are doing that well then Labour and Tory are being hit and Reform are splitting their vote. SNP should benefit from that but the polls aren't showing this, especially if Reform are fielding candidates in the constituency seats. Borders for example, unless all Tory voters have switched to Reform in some clinically planned strategy then the Tory vote will be split and SNP will take seats. Ballot Box Scotland have SNP on 59 and Reform on 12 - 14 using the average of all major pollsters including Survation but not this latest poll. In all polling SNP take at best 1 seat from the list vote, that's over 1m votes for only 1 seat at best. At the risk of sounding like a broken record the choice is vote SNP 1 and 2 and get similar to above quoted poll or vote SNP 1 and put politics to one side along with how the media portray them and vote Alba 2. There I've said it.

SNP 1 and green 2 is a better option as the greens have a base support which alba don't.

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SNP 1 and green 2 is a better option as the greens have a base support which alba don't.

Well this sounds like a good idea until you realise the Scottish Greens are all idiots and lunatics. (The other UK based Greens I don't have a problem with).

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I wish there was a plain boring independent focused choice for second vote. I can't believe Alba went with a divisive figure like Salmond and then Rogen.

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SNP 1 and green 2 is a better option as the greens have a base support which alba don't.

That's where I was and then the greens dragged the SNP down a hole it should have never been in. A whiff of power and they were worse in coalition than the Libdems ever were whenever they jumped into the most convenient bed!

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That's where I was and then the greens dragged the SNP down a hole it should have never been in. A whiff of power and they were worse in coalition than the Libdems ever were whenever they jumped into the most convenient bed!

Greens need new leadership before they can be trusted again.


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Greens need new leadership before they can be trusted again.


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Greens need to make green policy first and foremost, they've alienated a large part of the electorate by putting minority interests at the heart of their politics. There is definitely place for minority politics, but it shouldn't be the flagship of a party that should be fighting for the environment.

[Hibs4185]

Can’t help feel the greens have so many seats because they support independence. If there was a credible second independence party, I’d imagine the greens would drop drastically

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Greens need to make green policy first and foremost, they've alienated a large part of the electorate by putting minority interests at the heart of their politics. There is definitely place for minority politics, but it shouldn't be the flagship of a party that should be fighting for the environment.

It's the English Greens I know, but another wacky idea from those Green people.

https://bylinetimes.com/2025/05/08/g...ause-of-trump/

Green Party Deputy Leader Zack Polanski Says UK Must Leave NATO Because of Trump

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Can’t help feel the greens have so many seats because they support independence. If there was a credible second independence party, I’d imagine the greens would drop drastically

I personally think they'd disappear like snow off a dyke!

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Well this sounds like a good idea until you realise the Scottish Greens are all idiots and lunatics. (The other UK based Greens I don't have a problem with).

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That's where I was and then the greens dragged the SNP down a hole it should have never been in. A whiff of power and they were worse in coalition than the Libdems ever were whenever they jumped into the most convenient bed!

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Greens need new leadership before they can be trusted again.


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Who could have ever predicted a party with Harvie, Slater and Greer would push policies far removed from what ordinary people wanted? 😂

This is a journalist quote from 2021, he was bang on wasn't he?

"...an SNP-Green pact would be closer to a nightmare. It would see a party already too unmoored from the priorities of ordinary people drift further away with the help of a party openly uninterested in those priorities"

John Swinney looks like he is moving away from that but it's a bit of history rewriting to suggest the Greens were an unknown quantity and therefore a shock when they starting pushing policies like self ID. The SNP were not bullied into it, it was widely embraced at the time. (By all parties bar the Tories)

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This is a journalist quote from 2021, he was bang on wasn't he?

"...an SNP-Green pact would be closer to a nightmare. It would see a party already too unmoored from the priorities of ordinary people drift further away with the help of a party openly uninterested in those priorities"

Presumably you were too embarassed to actually identify Stephen Daisley as the "journalist" in your above quote. The man is beneath contempt, and anyone who thinks he has something interesting to say on any topic is delusional.

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Who could have ever predicted a party with Harvie, Slater and Greer would push policies far removed from what ordinary people wanted?

This is a journalist quote from 2021, he was bang on wasn't he?

"...an SNP-Green pact would be closer to a nightmare. It would see a party already too unmoored from the priorities of ordinary people drift further away with the help of a party openly uninterested in those priorities"

John Swinney looks like he is moving away from that but it's a bit of history rewriting to suggest the Greens were an unknown quantity and therefore a shock when they starting pushing policies like self ID. The SNP were not bullied into it, it was widely embraced at the time. (By all parties bar the Tories)

I think it’s fair to say the SNP took a bit of a wrong turn at the end of Sturgeon and with Yousaf. Swinney and Forbes have us back on track again and focusing on bread and butter issues.


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Presumably you were too embarassed to actually identify Stephen Daisley as the "journalist" in your above quote. The man is beneath contempt, and anyone who thinks he has something interesting to say on any topic is delusional.

Was he wrong? And no not embarrassed but there is a tendency to immediately ignore something when it's in newspaper X or Y or written by X etc. You prove my point in this case, thanks. In this case though he was 100% correct and spot on.