None of the definitions have any corelation to us. We don't have foreign rule we have representation as a proportion of our population, we voted not long ago to stay in the union, two of the last 8 PMs were Scottish. What many would say are our most important issues, education, health, housing, social care, crime are all devolved.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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Thread: Scottish Independence
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21-04-2025 05:16 PM #26401
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21-04-2025 05:19 PM #26402This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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21-04-2025 05:33 PM #26403
For anyone interested in the views of Prof Alf Baird here's a Youtube vid of him on the TNT Show a couple of weeks ago with John Drummond. Starts around 11 mins in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoX3jbDb710
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21-04-2025 05:40 PM #26404
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100% we are a colony by definition, whether you agree with it or not is a different matter.
The fact that Starmer won’t grant another referendum no matter the result of the 2026 election further enhances the arguemeny we are a colony.
Part of being colonised is making people believe they aren’t colonised
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21-04-2025 06:01 PM #26405
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"Alf Baird was formerly Professor of Maritime Business and Director of the Maritime Transport Research Group at Edinburgh Napier University. He also has a PhD in Strategic Management in Global Shipping. His earlier career included working in the shipping industry running international liner shipping services from Scotland"
I mean he sounds like a clever guy but an expert on UN policy and colonies....
This is all related to the Salvo movement and the Claim of Right I believe. The Claim of Right is a hundreds years old document full of sectarian slurs, I am struggling to see how it has any relevance to a modern and progressive Scotland.
I mean let's see where it goes but I am 99.99% sure it goes absolutely nowhere.
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21-04-2025 06:06 PM #26406This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I'll remind you of the quote by Daniel Defoe.
“The Scots will be allowed to send to Westminster, a handful of men who will make no weight whatever.
They will be allowed to sit there for form’s sake to be laughed at.”
That representation?
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21-04-2025 06:14 PM #26407
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21-04-2025 06:38 PM #26408This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I'm not sure what your point is regards the Claim of Rights being hundreds of years old unless you're trying to belittle it to suit your own argument, you wouldn't be doing that would you?. Most laws today are hundreds of years old and still adhered to in a modern society. Thou shall not murder is fairly old innit?
The sole purpose of Liberation Scotland is to take their case via the Swiss NGO to C-24 i.e. Special Committee on Decolonization in the UN and attempt to have Scotland listed as an NSGT (Non Self Governing Territory) if succesful it'll go on a list of countries which are deemed as a country which hasn't exercised it's right to self determination yet. At that point we can ask the UN to administer a referendum using their franchise i'e no outside influence from political or media sources and the voters have to be a citizen of that country only amongst other things I can't remember.
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21-04-2025 06:42 PM #26409This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
TBF The Defoe quote still rings true today, I laugh at Wishart all the time.
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21-04-2025 06:59 PM #26410
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As for the Claim of Rights I have looked at it to educate myself, it's a relic of a bygone day. Here is a quote from it.
"By allowing popish bookes to be printed and dispersed by a gift to a popish printer designeing him Printer to his Majesties househould Colledge and Chappell Contrair to the lawes
By takeing the children of Protestant Noblemen and gentlemen sending and keeping them abroad to be bred papists makeing great fonds and dotationes to popish schooles and Colledges abroad bestowing pensiones upon preists and perverting protestants from ther Religion by offers of places preferments and pensiones
By Dissarmeing protestants while at the same tyme he Imployed papists in the places of greatest trust civil and military such as Chancellor Secretaries Privie Counsellors and Lords of Sessione thrusting out protestants to make roome for papists and Intrusting the forts and magazins of the Kingdome in ther hands"
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/aosp/1689/28
I just wouldn't get your hopes up that's all.
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21-04-2025 07:19 PM #26411
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Any action whether realistic or unrealistic which builds the case for independence is fine by me
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22-04-2025 04:46 AM #26413
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It's like headcases during covid citing magna carta thinking modern UK parliamentary law doesn't take precedence
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22-04-2025 06:35 AM #26414
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So if this is the case why does scotland have its own Scot’s law and not UK law and why is the scottish crown laying idle?
The claim by Salvo and liberation scotland is that the two countries constitution are incompatible with each other and the laws to reconcile both counties as per the act of union was never enacted, England merely took over, if the UK parliament is sovereign and new laws have taken precedent over act of union etc then why don’t we have one legal system for the whole UK?
Northern Ireland, Wales and England all use the same system?
All these claims whether you support it or not will ultimately be decided by the UN which is the point I suppose.
If you study the Salvo case and the definition of a colony, it’s very hard to come to any other conclusion that Scotland is a colony.
A further point, the NGO whose help was needed to approach the UN, they are wholly independent and they also fully support the claims. These are not some mad nut cases that support anything.Last edited by Hibs4185; 22-04-2025 at 06:42 AM.
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24-04-2025 10:45 AM #26417
Two countries moving in a different directions.
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16-05-2025 11:16 AM #26418
For anyone interested the SSRG Conference is taking place this weekend starting today. Live Youtube tickets can be purchased for the event at £5. Speakers like Jim Sillars, Tim Rideout, Sara Salyers, Tommy Sheridan and Richard Murphy are just some of the lineup.
https://www.ssrg-conference.com/agenda
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16-05-2025 12:25 PM #26419
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Is Tommy Sheridan really people on the Independence side someone they want to be associated with? A quote from him below. I mean from the list above just add Craig Murray and you have a full set.
“Russia is not my enemy and their military action against Ukraine was provoked by the aggressive actions of NATO. Russia is justified in defending itself from NATO aggression. The US and NATO are the root cause of world instability not Russia or China.”
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I follow a lot of the hard core independence guys and they often spout nonsense about ‘fascist Ukraine’.
It makes my blood boil but I suppose that’s a point about independence that I think needs reinforced over and over again.
Independence isn’t all about the SNP. In an independence scotland you can vote for whatever party matches your own beliefs, whether you’re a republican, anti-war, pro Palestinian, for Brexit or against it.
You can be pro-Russian and vote for a scottish communist party.
It generally amazes me how many people think that you’d be stuck with the SNP and their policies for ever if you yes.
I’d actually go as far to say that all pro-independence parties including the SNP should be disbanded in an independent scotland and new parties formed based on whatever policies they want to pursue.
You can even vote for a unionist party to rejoin BritainLast edited by Hibs4185; 16-05-2025 at 01:12 PM.
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Doesn’t have to be at all, I’m just pointing out that independence voters have all manner of different political beliefs
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16-05-2025 04:33 PM #26428
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The SNP should be for getting independence. Once it’s achieved it should be disbanded and a new party with the same policies should be formed.
It’s like there is some independence supporters support Brexit. Once we are independent they can vote for an anti-EU party. But at this moment time the SNP are pro-EU so the potential yes voter won’t vote for the SNP.
I know the SNP would never agree to it but I genuinely feel it’s a key aspect in gaining independence
Just another point, the SNP should be a melting pot of all political views all coming together to gain independence. You should be able to be conservative financially and support independence or liberal and support all the transgender stuff that’s been going on all
Under the SNP roof.Last edited by Hibs4185; 16-05-2025 at 04:37 PM.
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If it’s centrist, centre left or whatever, but for the time being they have to be open to every political view in order to achieve their main priority.
Except for racists etc of course , but jets face it they’d never join or vote SNP anyway
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