The Trans Rights Debate

[Moulin Yarns]

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Maybe its because men who identify as women keep trying to join the lesbian dating pool, and they keep calling women who are attracted to women ie lesbians transphobes and cultural racists for not wanting anything to do with these deluded men.

Do you have any evidence to back up your outrageous claim?

[Keith_M]

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It effects them as before many lesbian clubs and support groups for example were forced to include trans females they now don't. Some trans activists went as far as saying lesbians who wouldn't be a partner of a trans female were bigoted

Thanks

[Stairway 2 7]

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Do you have any evidence to back up your outrageous claim?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc...d-57853385.amp

The lesbians who feel pressured to have sex and relationships with trans women

[Moulin Yarns]

How many women would have been threatened by this transgender girl using the same single sex spaces as them??

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...r-67727324.amp

[Stairway 2 7]

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How many women would have been threatened by this transgender girl using the same single sex spaces as them??

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...r-67727324.amp

Using a murdered bairn to prove a point badly. The fact is though it isn't one particular trans woman it's the fact that it was a rule for anyone who is trans. As I said as long as 99.9% of sexual assaults are committed by biological males then women should have safe spaces. The fact that the vast vast majority of males and trans females aren't perverts doesn't take away our collective responsibility to give biological females their own space.

[Ozyhibby]

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Using a murdered bairn to prove a point badly. The fact is though it isn't one particular trans woman it's the fact that it was a rule for anyone who is trans. As I said as long as 99.9% of sexual assaults are committed by biological males then women should have safe spaces. The fact that the vast vast majority of males and trans females aren't perverts doesn't take away our collective responsibility to give biological females their own space.

So all trans people have to use the gents?


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[Moulin Yarns]

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So all trans people have to use the gents?


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Aye, and the male minority will just have to lump it the name of women's rights.








Note: that is very much tongue in cheek.

[cabbageandribs1875]

oh anas, what are yi like

[Pretty Boy]

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So all trans people have to use the gents?


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In reality, rather than as a point of law, when it comes to toileting would anyone know? They might suspect but it would be a pretty terrible person that demanded someone lowered their trousers to prove it.

Areas such as open changing rooms or certain occupations (I'm thinking the Rape Crisis Scotland debacle) might be more problematic but when it comes to women's toilets in which individual cubicles are the norm I can't imagine it being as big an issue in real life as it apparently is on social media.

[147lothian]

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Do you have any evidence to back up your outrageous claim?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...al-female.html

Women attracted to women face abuse for their preference.

[Stairway 2 7]

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So all trans people have to use the gents?


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I doubt there is a law against it in particular just like I wouldn't get a criminal record if I went in a females used the toilet cubicle and left, but they should use the toilet of their biological sex. It's obviously a bigger issue than toilets. Some jobs that had female quotas for promotion let trans women be included, female only clubs and support can be on biology now, female only personal care, female sport, female hostels and centre's for abuse, female work changing rooms.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Using a murdered bairn to prove a point badly. The fact is though it isn't one particular trans woman it's the fact that it was a rule for anyone who is trans. As I said as long as 99.9% of sexual assaults are committed by biological males then women should have safe spaces. The fact that the vast vast majority of males and trans females aren't perverts doesn't take away our collective responsibility to give biological females their own space.

Jo caulfield, lives in Leith said exactly the same thing on threads!!!!

Arianna gheay was no threat to anyone but was murdered because she was different! She was a trans girl.


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BRIANNA!

[Moulin Yarns]

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...al-female.html

Women attracted to women face abuse for their preference.

Oh dear!! The daily mail is your go to for facts! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Stairway 2 7]

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Jo caulfield, lives in Leith said exactly the same thing on threads!!!!

Arianna gheay was no threat to anyone but was murdered because she was different! She was a trans girl.


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BRIANNA!

Oh well if Jo Caulfield said. Her death was abhorrent and she was no threat to anyone, she isn't everyone though, there is zero correlation, its cheap. Me and you aren't a threat to women, that doesn't mean there aren't rapists in the world, we are grouped with them due to our biology. Women should have spaces safe from biological males not due to one individual but due to men as a sex. Gisele Pelicot shows that abhorrent men hide in plain sight in every walk of life, unfortunately every male is guilty until proven innocent when it comes to women

[Stairway 2 7]

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Oh dear!! The daily mail is your go to for facts! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Did you read the BBC article it had multiple lesbians and trans women saying it was an issue. Do I trust lesbians themselves or men who doubt it's true

[147lothian]

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Oh dear!! The daily mail is your go to for facts! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Virtually the exact same point is made here, that there are men who identify as women who think they can call women transphobes and bigots because they are not attracted to people who identify as women they are attracted to real women, ie they are lesbians. The trans movement has some real and nasty misogynists.

https://thelcommunity.com/best-lesbian-dating-app-2025/

[Ozyhibby]

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Virtually the exact same point is made here, that there are men who identify as women who think they can call women transphobes and bigots because they are not attracted to people who identify as women they are attracted to real women, ie they are lesbians. The trans movement has some real and nasty misogynists.

https://thelcommunity.com/best-lesbian-dating-app-2025/

There has been some real spiteful glee on the other side the last couple of days as well.


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[jamie_1875]

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Do you have any evidence to back up your outrageous claim?

More evidence to add to the list. Why did you think it was so outrageous in the first place?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/c814cd90fa5a3a05

[oconnors_strip]

Just read that some lawyers are saying trans women will end up having to use disabled toilets if there aren’t designated toilets that they can use, eg mixed sex toilets.

Disabled people have enough problems trying to find toilets and ones that are free at the best of times.

[overdrive]

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Just read that some lawyers are saying trans women will end up having to use disabled toilets if there aren’t designated toilets that they can use, eg mixed sex toilets.

Disabled people have enough problems trying to find toilets and ones that are free at the best of times.

Yep. There was a situation at a previous job I had where there was a trans-woman (I'm not sure whether they had the full surgery). There was a big argument about the toileting situation. Women didn't want this person using the female toilets. The person understandably didn't want to use the male toilets. Management's solution was for them to use the disabled toilet. The folk who needed the disabled toilets then kicked off about that. I'm not sure how it resolved itself.

On the point someone made earlier about how there doesn't seem to be as much of an issue with trans people using male toilets, in addition to the points others have made, I'd add that it is probably way more common for women to use male toilets than the other way about so I think a lot of men will be used to non-biological males or otherwise using the male toilets. It isn't uncommon at a gig or a pub for a woman to use the male toilet to avoid queues.

[Pretty Boy]

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Yep. There was a situation at a previous job I had where there was a trans-woman (I'm not sure whether they had the full surgery). There was a big argument about the toileting situation. Women didn't want this person using the female toilets. The person understandably didn't want to use the male toilets. Management's solution was for them to use the disabled toilet. The folk who needed the disabled toilets then kicked off about that. I'm not sure how it resolved itself.

On the point someone made earlier about how there doesn't seem to be as much of an issue with trans people using male toilets, in addition to the points others have made, I'd add that it is probably way more common for women to use male toilets than the other way about so I think a lot of men will be used to non-biological males or otherwise using the male toilets. It isn't uncommon at a gig or a pub for a woman to use the male toilet to avoid queues.

Totally unrelated to the debate but I remember years ago at T in The Park a woman of a more mature vintage marching in to the frankly disgusting male toilet area, stating she was desperate and then proceeding to squat over the biohazard troughs they had the cheek to call urinals

I'm really not sure about the whole toilet, changing situation etc. A few years back I ran in a running event. The organisers stated that everyone could run under their chosen gender rather than biological sex which was no issue for me as I was unlikely to be threatening the winning enclosure in either the male or female category. They also stated there would be no segregated changing, toilet or showering facilities and everything would be gender neutral. I did find that problematic. The run was 50+ miles, at the end of it I had some pretty grim bleeding and chafing in my groin region. I just wanted to shower, put on some Sudocrem and get out of there. The issue was when I arrived in the changing rooms and shower area there was a group of about 6 women all standing and it was just an awkward 'what the **** do we do' moment. The showers had pretty flimsy half length curtains covering them and offered no real privacy and while I'm no prude I didn't feel at all comfortable showering, drying myself then smearing cream all over myself in front of a group of women; as much out of respect for not wanting to make them feel uncomfortable as anything else. In the end I decided to ride a bus for 40 minutes in pain and minging and shower in my B&B. I'm not opposed to gender neutral spaces in themselves but not at the expense of providing single sex spaces for those who want/need them. Several people gave constructive feedback to the organisers on their social media platform and were met with the invariable shrieks of 'transphobe' (which was bizarre because I don't think a single person mentioned trans people). The organisers doubled down and said they would not be changing to accommodate 'bigots'. It may be a coincidence but a race that used to go to a ballot to allocate the 1000 places now fails to attract a full field every year.

I'm not even convinced providing a 3rd option really resolves the issue on a moral or practical level. I've seen trans women on social media state that nothing will stop them using women's facilities, on the flip side I can't imagine entering a male toilet would be a pleasant experience for them yet mandating a 3rd option seems to be othering people which doesn't sit well with me either.

[Hibrandenburg]

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Totally unrelated to the debate but I remember years ago at T in The Park a woman of a more mature vintage marching in to the frankly disgusting male toilet area, stating she was desperate and then proceeding to squat over the biohazard troughs they had the cheek to call urinals

I'm really not sure about the whole toilet, changing situation etc. A few years back I ran in a running event. The organisers stated that everyone could run under their chosen gender rather than biological sex which was no issue for me as I was unlikely to be threatening the winning enclosure in either the male or female category. They also stated there would be no segregated changing, toilet or showering facilities and everything would be gender neutral. I did find that problematic. The run was 50+ miles, at the end of it I had some pretty grim bleeding and chafing in my groin region. I just wanted to shower, put on some Sudocrem and get out of there. The issue was when I arrived in the changing rooms and shower area there was a group of about 6 women all standing and it was just an awkward 'what the **** do we do' moment. The showers had pretty flimsy half length curtains covering them and offered no real privacy and while I'm no prude I didn't feel at all comfortable showering, drying myself then smearing cream all over myself in front of a group of women; as much out of respect for not wanting to make them feel uncomfortable as anything else. In the end I decided to ride a bus for 40 minutes in pain and minging and shower in my B&B. I'm not opposed to gender neutral spaces in themselves but not at the expense of providing single sex spaces for those who want/need them. Several people gave constructive feedback to the organisers on their social media platform and were met with the invariable shrieks of 'transphobe' (which was bizarre because I don't think a single person mentioned trans people). The organisers doubled down and said they would not be changing to accommodate 'bigots'. It may be a coincidence but a race that used to go to a ballot to allocate the 1000 places now fails to attract a full field every year.

I'm not even convinced providing a 3rd option really resolves the issue on a moral or practical level. I've seen trans women on social media state that nothing will stop them using women's facilities, on the flip side I can't imagine entering a male toilet would be a pleasant experience for them yet mandating a 3rd option seems to be othering people which doesn't sit well with me either.

I guess everyone is different. I was on an exercise in Denmark and found myself on a supply run to a Danish army camp. I thought I'd take advantage of their shower facilities whilst I was there and they were mixed sex with no segregation, there were a few women in there but neither they nor I batted an eyelid.

It's the same in saunas here, most are mixed sex and wearing bathing costumes is frowned upon. I've always found the British attitude to nudity strange and prude if I'm being honest.

As for the trans rights debate, I've no influence on it whatsoever, but I'll continue to treat everyone with respect, regardless of what they have or don't have between their legs.

[lapsedhibee]

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Totally unrelated to the debate but I remember years ago at T in The Park a woman of a more mature vintage marching in to the frankly disgusting male toilet area, stating she was desperate and then proceeding to squat over the biohazard troughs they had the cheek to call urinals

I'm really not sure about the whole toilet, changing situation etc. A few years back I ran in a running event. The organisers stated that everyone could run under their chosen gender rather than biological sex which was no issue for me as I was unlikely to be threatening the winning enclosure in either the male or female category. They also stated there would be no segregated changing, toilet or showering facilities and everything would be gender neutral. I did find that problematic. The run was 50+ miles, at the end of it I had some pretty grim bleeding and chafing in my groin region. I just wanted to shower, put on some Sudocrem and get out of there. The issue was when I arrived in the changing rooms and shower area there was a group of about 6 women all standing and it was just an awkward 'what the **** do we do' moment. The showers had pretty flimsy half length curtains covering them and offered no real privacy and while I'm no prude I didn't feel at all comfortable showering, drying myself then smearing cream all over myself in front of a group of women; as much out of respect for not wanting to make them feel uncomfortable as anything else. In the end I decided to ride a bus for 40 minutes in pain and minging and shower in my B&B. I'm not opposed to gender neutral spaces in themselves but not at the expense of providing single sex spaces for those who want/need them. Several people gave constructive feedback to the organisers on their social media platform and were met with the invariable shrieks of 'transphobe' (which was bizarre because I don't think a single person mentioned trans people). The organisers doubled down and said they would not be changing to accommodate 'bigots'. It may be a coincidence but a race that used to go to a ballot to allocate the 1000 places now fails to attract a full field every year.

I'm not even convinced providing a 3rd option really resolves the issue on a moral or practical level. I've seen trans women on social media state that nothing will stop them using women's facilities, on the flip side I can't imagine entering a male toilet would be a pleasant experience for them yet mandating a 3rd option seems to be othering people which doesn't sit well with me either.

Your post making me nostalgic for the days when toilet provision in sport wasn't an issue. At the old Hampden people just peed on the ash below their feet, and the person in front of them. Sell-out crowds too.

[Green Reaper]

The company I work for are based in Norton Park, opposite the West Stand, and the toilets are gender neutral, everyone seems fine with that and not heard anyone complaining.

[Berwickhibby]

I struggle why this issue is being made so complex, if someone needs to change sex, it should be their right and they should be supported throughout their journey. Once the journey is complete their documentation should read what their new sex is. However until it is complete, and this imho is a safeguard to those who would abuse the system for their own wants, ie Isla Bryson. Then they will have to continue as that sex until completion of their transformation.

[Moulin Yarns]

Just a question, can a trans man now legally access "women only" spaces because the Supreme Court has deemed them to be legally women? So a man can say he's trans (even though he's not) and get into women only spaces?

Is that the worst case scenario??

[superfurryhibby]

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Just a question, can a trans man now legally access "women only" spaces because the Supreme Court has deemed them to be legally women? So a man can say he's trans (even though he's not) and get into women only spaces?

Is that the worst case scenario??

I have no idea what your actually asking?

You should probably read an article on the Supreme Court ruling.

[Green Reaper]

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Just a question, can a trans man now legally access "women only" spaces because the Supreme Court has deemed them to be legally women? So a man can say he's trans (even though he's not) and get into women only spaces?

Is that the worst case scenario??

Does the Supreme Court ruling not actually mean the opposite, as it has been ruled that 'Female' in the context of the 2010 Equalities Act, now means a 'biological Female'?

[Moulin Yarns]

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Does the Supreme Court ruling not actually mean the opposite, as it has been ruled that 'Female' in the context of the 2010 Equalities Act, now means a 'biological Female'?

Yeah but a trans man now must use the female toilets according to the supreme court. So the question is, what is there to stop a man claiming to be a trans man to access female toilets?

[CropleyWasGod]

[QUOTE=Moulin Yarns;7939927]Yeah but a trans man now must use the female toilets according to the supreme court. So the question is, what is there to stop a man claiming to be a trans man to access female toilets?[/QUOTE]

The same as there currently is to prevent CIS-men accessing female toilets.

BerwickHibby will clarify, but that's probably a breach of the peace, so the police can be called.

Coomon sense will prevail, eventually.