Channel 4 Dispatches

[cabbageandribs1875]

only just finished watching the first hour of that Dispatches, if watching clips of his 'comedy' sketches is what qualifies for 'entertainment' nowayears then Cleverley is absolutely spot on in saying the entertainment industry has questions to answer, and he's a foreign secretary, all Brand seemed to 'joke' about was BJ's and mascara running and WOMEN in audiences were finding that funny ffs, there's a sketch from that daft 'BIG BROTHER' and he goes to sit on some female with his trousers partly pulled down & she's p@ssing herself laughing, seriously WTF is funny about that and why does the 'entertainment' industry encourage that type of behaviour, i was reading the other day that ITV(i think) were going to bring that utter shy*e back again, of course it will have to have the 'shock' factor TV companies demand, we will read in media headlines things like 'blah and blah have sex but they were caught on CCTV' oooh aaah and some of the public will go ga ga and make sure they're sitting down in time to watch it on the tellybox, ffs Love Island/'real' housewife's and all the other crap 'reality' tv nonsense, THIS is entertainment, seriously.

then watching that clip of Brand and Saville, my goodness BBC

[Northernhibee]

Very interesting statement on Kai Humphries social media pages.

[Ozyhibby]

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Very interesting statement on Kai Humphries social media pages.

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He's best mates with Daniel Sloss who spoke on the show.

Good to see those in the industry speaking up.

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YouTube have taken his monetisation off his channel.


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[Hibby70]

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He's best mates with Daniel Sloss who spoke on the show.

Good to see those in the industry speaking up.

I got an email the following day advertising tickets for Sloss's upcoming tour. I don't trust anyone any more 😂

[Pretty Boy]

I actually agree with Andrew Neil in what he says in the link below:

https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1703716688196186140

However I can't help but question if there is a lack of self awareness on his part given his decision to join GBNews and be something of a figurehead at it's launch. He went some way to legitimising alternative media and helping some of the extreme views it espouses reach a more mainstream audience. I don't much like him but there is little doubt he is very good at his job, his Channel 4 show is worth watching, and even in the brief period he was there he lent a degree of gravitas to GBN and gave idiots like Darren Grimes and Sophie Corcoran more of a voice than they should ever have had.

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I actually agree with Andrew Neil in what he says in the link below:

https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1703716688196186140

However I can't help but question if there is a lack of self awareness on his part given his decision to join GBNews and be something of a figurehead at it's launch. He went some way to legitimising alternative media and helping some of the extreme views it espouses reach a more mainstream audience. I don't much like him but there is little doubt he is very good at his job, his Channel 4 show is worth watching, and even in the brief period he was there he lent a degree of gravitas to GBN and gave idiots like Darren Grimes and Sophie Corcoran more of a voice than they should ever have had.

Well it's not that type of bad journalism he means, only that other type of bad journalism. Bad journalism which suits him is OK.

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I got an email the following day advertising tickets for Sloss's upcoming tour. I don't trust anyone any more 😂

I didnt want to suggest self-interest, thought I'd give him/them the benefit of the doubt. But aye, doesn't surprise me.

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I actually agree with Andrew Neil in what he says in the link below:

https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1703716688196186140

However I can't help but question if there is a lack of self awareness on his part given his decision to join GBNews and be something of a figurehead at it's launch. He went some way to legitimising alternative media and helping some of the extreme views it espouses reach a more mainstream audience. I don't much like him but there is little doubt he is very good at his job, his Channel 4 show is worth watching, and even in the brief period he was there he lent a degree of gravitas to GBN and gave idiots like Darren Grimes and Sophie Corcoran more of a voice than they should ever have had.

Wasn’t Andrew Neil actually involved in setting up and establishing GB News? I’m sure his involvement was more than just being a presenter.

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Wasn’t Andrew Neil actually involved in setting up and establishing GB News? I’m sure his involvement was more than just being a presenter.

He was briefly Chairman of GB News.

Neil later called his decision to lead the channel the "single biggest mistake" of his career, comparing the channel to Fox News.

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Wasn’t Andrew Neil actually involved in setting up and establishing GB News? I’m sure his involvement was more than just being a presenter.

He recruited half the plums that present on it.

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Good article (as usual) by Marina Hyde today, including reflecting on how the Sachs incident was reported at the time with a focus on slut-shaming Sachs' grand-daughter and hoping that, this time, potential victims are treated as exactly that...victims

The brave victims of Russell Brand’s misogyny deserve full support. This time, let’s get it right | Marina Hyde | The Guardian

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Good article (as usual) by Marina Hyde today, including reflecting on how the Sachs incident was reported at the time with a focus on slut-shaming Sachs' grand-daughter and hoping that, this time, potential victims are treated as exactly that...victims

The brave victims of Russell Brand’s misogyny deserve full support. This time, let’s get it right | Marina Hyde | The Guardian

It's quite sobering to read the impact that incident had. I remember being critical of Brand and Ross at the time but the focus of my criticism was very much on 'how could they do that to a poor old man'; Georgina Baillie was very much an afterthought. A spiral into addiction, family estrangement and what appears to be a complete breakdown is a hell of a price to pay for a 'joke', even more so when you weren't really considered a victim by the contemporary media and public.

The article is all the better for the fact that Hyde reflects on her own failings, she's an excellent columnist and that piece only highlights that further.

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It's quite sobering to read the impact that incident had. I remember being critical of Brand and Ross at the time but the focus of my criticism was very much on 'how could they do that to a poor old man'; Georgina Baillie was very much an afterthought. A spiral into addiction, family estrangement and what appears to be a complete breakdown is a hell of a price to pay for a 'joke', even more so when you weren't really considered a victim by the contemporary media and public.

The article is all the better for the fact that Hyde reflects on her own failings, she's an excellent columnist and that piece only highlights that further.

I agree, at the time the sympathy was very much with Sachs, Baillie wasn’t even considered.

Hyde’s article is made all the more powerful by her repeatedly recognising her own failings

[cabbageandribs1875]

that's some list of rather unlikeable individuals

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Yes possibly. I think what I'm trying to say (badly) is that the woman would have 'known better' for want of a better phrase , so what's missing, why were they still in that position? Power? Employment? Drugs? Obviously yet again I'm excluding the 16 year old and probably many more. There's something still to come out. The women's stories didn't seem complete to me. Anyway I'll bow out for now

It's always important to raise questions about these sorts of stories. It doesn't necessarily mean you are in any way condoning or excusing bad behaviour.

Sometimes it can be a question like 'but why now?', and the answer could be because the the victims had no confidence they would be listened to, because of the power and influence of the perpetrators, but now that it is in the public eye, they feel a bit more confident about coming forward.

Sadly, there can sometimes be people that just want the publicity and are cashing in on the story, but that doesn't take anything away from the genuine victims of such awful behaviour.

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It's always important to raise questions about these sorts of stories. It doesn't necessarily mean you are in any way condoning or excusing bad behaviour.

Sometimes it can be a question like 'but why now?', and the answer could be because the the victims had no confidence they would be listened to, because of the power and influence of the perpetrators, but now that it is in the public eye, they feel a bit more confident about coming forward.

Sadly, there can sometimes be people that just want the publicity and are cashing in on the story, but that doesn't take anything away from the genuine victims of such awful behaviour.

There's statically more chance of a man being raped than being falsely accused of rape, its a tiny percentage for both to be fair. False accusations get a huge amount of press for some reason.

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that's some list of rather unlikeable individuals

Jeezo that’s quite a list. What is it with Neil Oliver by the way? He’s turned into a total wing nut

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Would a celebrity woman groping a normal guy’s arse without his permission be a bit dodge? What would the implications be if it was someone very vocal about Russell Brand doing just that be?

[Pretty Boy]

Brand now charged with rape.

It's always the ones you least expect. No doubt another who will claim he is being silenced because of his political views. The right wing grifters don't like it when the law is applied to their own.

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Brand now charged with rape.

It's always the ones you least expect. No doubt another who will claim he is being silenced because of his political views. The right wing grifters don't like it when the law is applied to their own.

I think there must be hundreds if not more “famous” folk out there who are sexual predators but are being protected because of their status and even if something is leaked theres an iron curtain protecting them, often the same that have committed the same or similar.

Jimmy Saville one of whom I met (but didnt sit on his knee) on a couple of the Edinburgh charity walks.

Rolf Harris another, “ do you know what it is yet” I loved watching him as a kid and was gutted to find out he was a kiddy fiddler.

John Leslie who I had the displeasure of being in his company a couple of times after his career was ruined, a ****ing arrogant prick.

Gary Glitter

Its a scary list and a lot of those are who I loved as a kid growing up and in later life just didnt want to believe it.

Russell Brand I dislike anyway and always seen him as a bit of a slease, cant believe he humped Katie Perry 😳

Michael Barrymore is the one who I think got away with murder and as mentioned above I think he was well shielded, I think he knew what happened to the lad Lubek and I think he was involved, thats my opinion anyway.

[cabbageandribs1875]

and he just found God as well not long ago (4) Syrian Girl on X: "Please correct me if I’m wrong on this time line, Russel brand was pro-Palestine, then he was accused of rape, did a 180 and became a Zionist praying with Jordan Peterson in his joker suit. Is that about right? https://t.co/FzBdlsgEXd" / X

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and he just found God as well not long ago (4) Syrian Girl on X: "Please correct me if I’m wrong on this time line, Russel brand was pro-Palestine, then he was accused of rape, did a 180 and became a Zionist praying with Jordan Peterson in his joker suit. Is that about right? https://t.co/FzBdlsgEXd" / X

He’s an absolute grifter, like Peterson.

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He’s an absolute grifter, like Peterson.

I often wonder what the price is for these guys to abandon any principles they might have had just to spout utter bollocks.

Brand was one who was a bit of a darling of the bourgeois left a few years back. He has his column in the Guardian and the reformed junkie schtick seemed to go down well with a certain clientele. A bit like Joey Barton who I mentioned on another thread; he posted his philosophy quotes and walked round a couple of art galleries and the Observer had practically canonised him.

Now both trot out the right wing tropes, paint themselves as anti establishment but just on the other side now and the people who used to like them pretend they never did and the people who used to hate them laud them for 'seeing the light'. You wonder if they ever believed the stuff they used to say or if it was just to please their paymasters at that time and now that stream has run dry they are saying the opposite because it's lucrative right now. I really don't know if it would be worse if Brand was saying what he is now because he really believes it or if he was only saying it for the money. Both despicable really so maybe it doesn't really matter.

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I often wonder what the price is for these guys to abandon any principles they might have had just to spout utter bollocks.

Brand was one who was a bit of a darling of the bourgeois left a few years back. He has his column in the Guardian and the reformed junkie schtick seemed to go down well with a certain clientele. A bit like Joey Barton who I mentioned on another thread; he posted his philosophy quotes and walked round a couple of art galleries and the Observer had practically canonised him.

Now both trot out the right wing tropes, paint themselves as anti establishment but just on the other side now and the people who used to like them pretend they never did and the people who used to hate them laud them for 'seeing the light'. You wonder if they ever believed the stuff they used to say or if it was just to please their paymasters at that time and now that stream has run dry they are saying the opposite because it's lucrative right now. I really don't know if it would be worse if Brand was saying what he is now because he really believes it or if he was only saying it for the money. Both despicable really so maybe it doesn't really matter.

I’m quite happy to say there was a point when I thought Brand was funny, sort of Big Brother’s Little Brother era, he had a stand up routine that was genuinely clever and funny. And then he needed to reinvent himself and he just embraced the grift and you could see there was nothing genuine about him at all.

I wouldn’t revisit his stuff now because, as is my approach to the likes of Barton as well, acknowledging their stuff through views or retweets (even to complain about them) is validation and I would rather starve them of the publicity that feed it.

Obviously there’s a chance he might be innocent, such is the nature of the law in the country that he’s presumed innocent until found guilty but if and when he is found guilty, I hope he gets everything that’s coming to him.

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I think there must be hundreds if not more “famous” folk out there who are sexual predators but are being protected because of their status and even if something is leaked theres an iron curtain protecting them, often the same that have committed the same or similar.

Jimmy Saville one of whom I met (but didnt sit on his knee) on a couple of the Edinburgh charity walks.

Rolf Harris another, “ do you know what it is yet” I loved watching him as a kid and was gutted to find out he was a kiddy fiddler.

John Leslie who I had the displeasure of being in his company a couple of times after his career was ruined, a ****ing arrogant prick.

Gary Glitter

Its a scary list and a lot of those are who I loved as a kid growing up and in later life just didnt want to believe it.

Russell Brand I dislike anyway and always seen him as a bit of a slease, cant believe he humped Katie Perry ��

Michael Barrymore is the one who I think got away with murder and as mentioned above I think he was well shielded, I think he knew what happened to the lad Lubek and I think he was involved, thats my opinion anyway.

Not sure you should be including John Leslie with those other names mentioned. He may be an arrogant prick and may not be someone you'd choose to associate yourself with, that's absolutely fair enough but he has not, to my knowledge, been convicted of any sexual offence. He's certainly not a serial child abuser, protected by the royal family or the establishment like some of those mentioned.

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Not sure you should be including John Leslie with those other names mentioned. He may be an arrogant prick and may not be someone you'd choose to associate yourself with, that's absolutely fair enough but he has not, to my knowledge, been convicted of any sexual offence. He's certainly not a serial child abuser, protected by the royal family or the establishment like some of those mentioned.

True it isnt fair of me sticking Leslies name in amongst that lot, more personal on my behalf.

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I’m quite happy to say there was a point when I thought Brand was funny, sort of Big Brother’s Little Brother era, he had a stand up routine that was genuinely clever and funny. And then he needed to reinvent himself and he just embraced the grift and you could see there was nothing genuine about him at all.

I wouldn’t revisit his stuff now because, as is my approach to the likes of Barton as well, acknowledging their stuff through views or retweets (even to complain about them) is validation and I would rather starve them of the publicity that feed it.

Obviously there’s a chance he might be innocent, such is the nature of the law in the country that he’s presumed innocent until found guilty but if and when he is found guilty, I hope he gets everything that’s coming to him.

Russell Bramd was thé worst comedian I’ve ever seen. My ex gf paid 5x the price to get front row tickets at the festival one year. It was all scripted and he couldn’t handle hecklers. Nothing of the cuff at all.

At the end of the show he told everyone where be was staying and which bar was below. He said the first girl who turned up that he fancied would be the one for that night.

My ex basically ran out of the auditorium, into a taxi and went to the bar (with me in tow) but by the time we got there he had already left.

I knew one of the bar staff and he confirmed the story. Every night he’d arrive in a taxi and within 5-10 mins a girl would come in and they’d disappear upstairs.

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Russell Bramd was thé worst comedian I’ve ever seen. My ex gf paid 5x the price to get front row tickets at the festival one year. It was all scripted and he couldn’t handle hecklers. Nothing of the cuff at all.

At the end of the show he told everyone where be was staying and which bar was below. He said the first girl who turned up that he fancied would be the one for that night.

My ex basically ran out of the auditorium, into a taxi and went to the bar (with me in tow) but by the time we got there he had already left.

I knew one of the bar staff and he confirmed the story. Every night he’d arrive in a taxi and within 5-10 mins a girl would come in and they’d disappear upstairs.

I saw his stand up a few years back and it was ok. As you say a bit like Ricky Gervais stand up in that it was obviously scripted (every comedian has a script of some sort obviously but the best make it look like they don't).

Recalling it now a big part of his act then was reading the readers letters to the Sun and taking the piss out of the reactionary nonsense in them. I wonder if he envisaged that he'd be worse than any of them 15 years down the line? Maybe he could write a sketch about that.