Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Fifeshirehibs]

If the four interims haven't passed their exams does The Fifth Man have to do the Fenerbache game on his own.

[HoboHarry]

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If the four interims haven't passed their exams does The Fifth Man have to do the Fenerbache game on his own.

Didn't Hearts have that same issue when Naebadges was in charge but McAvoy (spelling?) was officially the coach for Euro games? Wonder if he'll get canned as soon as they are knocked out?

[Victor]

Someone should tell wee Barry that giving players ‘a clip round the ear’ is no longer an acceptable, or legal, method of encouraging a player. Maybe he should change his name to Barney.

[degenerated]

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They're still waiting to hear from Ian Paisley jnr to add a bit of balance.

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And from Boab Malcolm, to see if someone can take over the running of his icy at such short notice bobice1.jpg

[overdrive]

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If the four interims haven't passed their exams does The Fifth Man have to do the Fenerbache game on his own.

Can't find any evidence McGregor has any coaching badges from a quick search. The other four all have their pro licence.

Edit: I would have found it a bit weird if McCann and to a lesser extent Dodds didn't have their pro licence as they are experienced coaches/managers at a decent enough level. I was surprised Barry The Crab has had his so long (9 years).

[silverhibee]

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Kevin Thomson will be gutted

He is.

[Victor]

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Can't find any evidence McGregor has any coaching badges from a quick search. The other four all have their pro licence.

Edit: I would have found it a bit weird if McCann and to a lesser extent Dodds didn't have their pro licence as they are experienced coaches/managers at a decent enough level. I was surprised Barry The Crab has had his so long (9 years).

The piece by Tom English ( I know!) on the BBC Sport app would suggest that McGregor has no coaching experience -“McGregor has kept a pretty low profile since he retired as a player. He hasn't given off the impression of a man desperately keen to get involved on a training ground, but here he is”


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[Bostonhibby]

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He is.

Been outhunned by some proper hunnish types, despite his best efforts.

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[blackpoolhibs]

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He is.

I wonder if he'd have walked along an M8 full of broken glass for a job with that ****?

[Billy Whizz]

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He is.

Silver, his reputation will be enhanced by not being involved with Barry and Co

[cabbageandribs1875]

49ers agree take-over deal at Ibrox

After months of negotiation, 49ers Enterprises have finally agreed a take-over deal with Scottish giants Rangers, and will acquire a controlling 51% stake in the Ibrox club. This move underscores the growing trend of American investment in Scottish football, with Dundee, Dundee United, Hibernian and Aberdeen among others already attracting US capital.

Rangers, a club steeped in history and boasting a 50,000-seater stadium, offers access to the fierce Old Firm derby against Celtic, a fixture with global appeal. Crucially, Rangers' established dominance in Scotland, alongside Celtic, almost guarantees European qualification, including the lucrative Champions League pathway.

However, the takeover isn't without potential complications, particularly concerning 49ers Enterprises’ existing ownership of Leeds United. Scottish Football Association (SFA) rules, designed to protect the integrity of competitions, restrict individuals from holding controlling stakes in multiple clubs simultaneously. Article 13 of SFA regulations could pose a hurdle, potentially requiring special dispensation for the deal to proceed given the shared ownership with Leeds.

The coming months will reveal how this ambitious deal progresses and its impact on both Rangers and, indirectly, Leeds United. With Premier League football all but guaranteed next season, the 49ers have two options. Flip the club for a quick profit, or be in it for the long haul! The latter, although financially more lucrative, will involve a long term project and massive investment to stabilise the club - with no guarantee of success.

[Keith_M]

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...Scottish Football Association (SFA) rules, designed to protect the integrity of competitions....

[Ozyhibby]

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49ers agree take-over deal at Ibrox

After months of negotiation, 49ers Enterprises have finally agreed a take-over deal with Scottish giants Rangers, and will acquire a controlling 51% stake in the Ibrox club. This move underscores the growing trend of American investment in Scottish football, with Dundee, Dundee United, Hibernian and Aberdeen among others already attracting US capital.

Rangers, a club steeped in history and boasting a 50,000-seater stadium, offers access to the fierce Old Firm derby against Celtic, a fixture with global appeal. Crucially, Rangers' established dominance in Scotland, alongside Celtic, almost guarantees European qualification, including the lucrative Champions League pathway.

However, the takeover isn't without potential complications, particularly concerning 49ers Enterprises’ existing ownership of Leeds United. Scottish Football Association (SFA) rules, designed to protect the integrity of competitions, restrict individuals from holding controlling stakes in multiple clubs simultaneously. Article 13 of SFA regulations could pose a hurdle, potentially requiring special dispensation for the deal to proceed given the shared ownership with Leeds.

The coming months will reveal how this ambitious deal progresses and its impact on both Rangers and, indirectly, Leeds United. With Premier League football all but guaranteed next season, the 49ers have two options. Flip the club for a quick profit, or be in it for the long haul! The latter, although financially more lucrative, will involve a long term project and massive investment to stabilise the club - with no guarantee of success.

I don’t see how that can progress if we were told that Black Knights could not take control?


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[CropleyWasGod]

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I don’t see how that can progress if we were told that Black Knights could not take control?


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They can sell their stake in Leeds.

[nonshinyfinish]

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I don’t see how that can progress if we were told that Black Knights could not take control?

Someone will have the actual text of the rules, but as I remember it basically came down to being at the SFA's discretion rather than black and whites rules.

You'd think that this sets a precedent for us if BK do want further ownership (including possible majority ownership), but in Scottish football you never know…

[Iain G]

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49ers agree take-over deal at Ibrox

After months of negotiation, 49ers Enterprises have finally agreed a take-over deal with Scottish giants Rangers, and will acquire a controlling 51% stake in the Ibrox club. This move underscores the growing trend of American investment in Scottish football, with Dundee, Dundee United, Hibernian and Aberdeen among others already attracting US capital.

Rangers, a club steeped in history and boasting a 50,000-seater stadium, offers access to the fierce Old Firm derby against Celtic, a fixture with global appeal. Crucially, Rangers' established dominance in Scotland, alongside Celtic, almost guarantees European qualification, including the lucrative Champions League pathway.

However, the takeover isn't without potential complications, particularly concerning 49ers Enterprises’ existing ownership of Leeds United. Scottish Football Association (SFA) rules, designed to protect the integrity of competitions, restrict individuals from holding controlling stakes in multiple clubs simultaneously. Article 13 of SFA regulations could pose a hurdle, potentially requiring special dispensation for the deal to proceed given the shared ownership with Leeds.

The coming months will reveal how this ambitious deal progresses and its impact on both Rangers and, indirectly, Leeds United. With Premier League football all but guaranteed next season, the 49ers have two options. Flip the club for a quick profit, or be in it for the long haul! The latter, although financially more lucrative, will involve a long term project and massive investment to stabilise the club - with no guarantee of success.

"Steeped", they just can't help themselves can they.

[Keith_M]

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Someone will have the actual text of the rules, but as I remember it basically came down to being at the SFA's discretion rather than black and whites rules.

You'd think that this sets a precedent for us if BK do want further ownership (including possible majority ownership), but in Scottish football you never know…

The fact that it's at the SFA's discretion surely indicates it will be given the go ahead.

[Trinity Hibee]

Went back to the first page of this and funnily enough stv links are broken. Trying to erase it from history.

Sky sports links still work though. Brought a smile to my face

[JohnM1875]

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Someone will have the actual text of the rules, but as I remember it basically came down to being at the SFA's discretion rather than black and whites rules.

You'd think that this sets a precedent for us if BK do want further ownership (including possible majority ownership), but in Scottish football you never know…

That’s right. Think they said it’ll be reviewed on a case by case basis. So;

Old Firm = fine
Everyone else = not fine.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Someone will have the actual text of the rules, but as I remember it basically came down to being at the SFA's discretion rather than black and whites rules.

You'd think that this sets a precedent for us if BK do want further ownership (including possible majority ownership), but in Scottish football you never know…

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/media/1...ssociation.pdf

Article 13.

[.Sean.]

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He is.

He can jump back on the radio and pretend to be ‘Hibee’ again then. Tosser

[cabbageandribs1875]

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I don’t see how that can progress if we were told that Black Knights could not take control?


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some Leeds fans think maybe Red Bull will buy out the 49ers at Elland Road

i'm not sure where that article is from but it's on a Leeds fans site


maybe they don't know about our strict SFA rules :)

[HoboHarry]

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some Leeds fans think maybe Red Bull will buy out the 49ers at Elland Road

Still can't quite get my head around this whole deal. Why would a group sell Leeds who are (probably) going to get promoted to the EPL and the financial riches that comes with that, then take over Sevco who have large debts, a crumbling stadium, and play in a league that financially has chump change on offer in comparison to the EPL. I'm not seeing the attraction myself.

[CropleyWasGod]

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some Leeds fans think maybe Red Bull will buy out the 49ers at Elland Road

i'm not sure where that article is from but it's on a Leeds fans site


maybe they don't know about our strict SFA rules :)

Apparently, the dual-ownership rules are stricter in the Championship than they are in the Premier League. If Leeds weren't promoted, the deal would probably be blocked by the FA.

(source... something I read through half-shut eyes somewhere )

[cabbageandribs1875]

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Still can't quite get my head around this whole deal. Why would a group sell Leeds who are (probably) going to get promoted to the EPL and the financial riches that comes with that, then take over Sevco who have large debts, a crumbling stadium, and play in a league that financially has chump change on offer in comparison to the EPL. I'm not seeing the attraction myself.

i agree 49ers set aside £10m a few months back for surveyor/Architect fees etc on the planned extension of Elland Road, or maybe they're setting everything up for RB, but like you i just can't understand why they would be willing to miss out on all the riches from the league of milk & honey.

which leaves us with the SFA already saying aye awrite then, i'm sure BK's were going to be discussing with the SFA a few months back about changing the rules ? or certainly intended to anyway, maybe BK's were waiting on the SFA's beloved Sevco changing the rules first so they wouldn't need to

[CropleyWasGod]

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Still can't quite get my head around this whole deal. Why would a group sell Leeds who are (probably) going to get promoted to the EPL and the financial riches that comes with that, then take over Sevco who have large debts, a crumbling stadium, and play in a league that financially has chump change on offer in comparison to the EPL. I'm not seeing the attraction myself.

I think I can see it.

Business are often sold on their "potential" value rather than their "actual" value. (eg online "things" that are worthless on paper, making losses consistently but have the potential to be huge.)

Leeds have a huge potential now that promotion looks likely. The 49ers can cash in on that, and probably make a decent profit. Waiting for a couple of years might diminish that potential.

Rangers are poor value just now, but have potential. Perhaps the 49ers see ways of maximising that, and making a decent profit along the lines of Fergus McCann at Celtic.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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Apparently, the dual-ownership rules are stricter in the Championship than they are in the Premier League. If Leeds weren't promoted, the deal would probably be blocked by the FA.

(source... something I read through half-shut eyes somewhere )

Mmm, but why does that read like the 51% ownership of Sevco has already been agreed without a "but only if Leeds are promoted". i'll need to try find out who wrote that article

this needs further investigating ;)

[Liberal Hibby]

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Apparently, the dual-ownership rules are stricter in the Championship than they are in the Premier League. If Leeds weren't promoted, the deal would probably be blocked by the FA.

(source... something I read through half-shut eyes somewhere )

But Brentford are in the premier and were restricted to 15% (or was it 25%) of Hibs. Does that mean the black knights can have a higher proportion?

[HoboHarry]

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I think I can see it.

Business are often sold on their "potential" value rather than their "actual" value. (eg online "things" that are worthless on paper, making losses consistently but have the potential to be huge.)

Leeds have a huge potential now that promotion looks likely. The 49ers can cash in on that, and probably make a decent profit. Waiting for a couple of years might diminish that potential.

Rangers are poor value just now, but have potential. Perhaps the 49ers see ways of maximising that, and making a decent profit along the lines of Fergus McCann at Celtic.

From what I see the Sevco fans don't have the patience to wait that long. Celtic are doing exceptionally well at the moment but this is 25 years after McCann left and to add to that, Celtic being in fine shape will mean at best Sevco getting a little larger piece of the cake domestically than they currently get but with no guarantee of success in Europe. I understand the potential part but to me at least there's at least half a dozen English clubs that could apply to with a potential for far greater return on their money. Ah well, my dream of seeing the Sevco mob going bust for good may be just that, a pipe dream. We'll soon see I guess.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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