What's the latest with Youan?

[hibsbollah]

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Youan, Boyle and Bowie fighting for 2 starting places upfront with Gayle as the impact sub and Myko in reserve is a good place for us to be for the rest of the season.

It really is.

[Jay]

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Very rarely do you get scan results right away.

I have absolutely no idea what's going on with Youan but I can tell you I had a private MRI scan on my ankle and my physio had the results the next morning.

[The Modfather]

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Fairly obvious why. Its been an injury blighted season for him. It’d be pretty weird if he had 10+ goals and 10+assists again like previously based on the amount he’s played. And when hes played hes been mostly very good.

It has been a stop start season for Youan, I’m not sure the much discussed coincidental injuries give him much mitigation or credit in the bank for his numbers this season though. When he has played, and he’s played well in a number of those games, he hasn’t scored or assisted anywhere near as much as needed. A “goal contribution” every 306 minutes this season is as much a part of why we’ve only won 7 games as all the other reasons.

A good player on his day, but those days have been few and far between this season. He’s created as much discussion about non football stuff as he has what he’s done on the park. I don’t think that’s true of anyone else in the squad. I’m sure there was talk about us paying a similar fee to Vente to make his loan permanent. If we could double our money on him I’d take that and be glad to be rid of the Youan circus. Hopefully his replacement is already here in Bowie.

[1875Sean]

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Sums it up perfectly. This thread is a nightmare.

So many strange takes. The boy is quality, loves being here but wants to test himself at a higher level.

He’s had an absolute nightmare with injuries this season but when he has played he’s contributed wholesomely.

We’ve not got an another player with his talent in the squad. Read sell him for 1 million haha, good one.

Realistically based on how he has done this season and how long is left on his contract how much would you except for him?

[Smartie]

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It has been a stop start season for Youan, I’m not sure the much discussed coincidental injuries give him much mitigation or credit in the bank for his numbers this season though. When he has played, and he’s played well in a number of those games, he hasn’t scored or assisted anywhere near as much as needed. A “goal contribution” every 306 minutes this season is as much a part of why we’ve only won 7 games as all the other reasons.

A good player on his day, but those days have been few and far between this season. He’s created as much discussion about non football stuff as he has what he’s done on the park. I don’t think that’s true of anyone else in the squad. I’m sure there was talk about us paying a similar fee to Vente to make his loan permanent. If we could double our money on him I’d take that and be glad to be rid of the Youan circus. Hopefully his replacement is already here in Bowie.

I think this is where I have a problem with stats in football.

It’s clear as day that Youan - when fit and focussed - brings something to our team that we miss badly when either he’s out or his head’s gone for a walk. He was integral to our good run of form against good teams and we’ve missed him badly since he’s been out. Ultimately, whilst we can talk all day about goals, assists, xG and the like, the only thing that really matters is the team’s WLD performance.

Tbh I’ve slaughtered him on here in the past when I’ve thought he’s been pissing about. There’s not been evidence of that this season though imo, even if the stats related to his end product maybe haven’t been what they’ve been previously.

I think we look a bit dull and workmanlike without him and I think the post a few above about how we react to our “mercurial” players is a valid one.

[The Modfather]

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I think this is where I have a problem with stats in football.

It’s clear as day that Youan - when fit and focussed - brings something to our team that we miss badly when either he’s out or his head’s gone for a walk. He was integral to our good run of form against good teams and we’ve missed him badly since he’s been out. Ultimately, whilst we can talk all day about goals, assists, xG and the like, the only thing that really matters is the team’s WLD performance.

Tbh I’ve slaughtered him on here in the past when I’ve thought he’s been pissing about. There’s not been evidence of that this season though imo, even if the stats related to his end product maybe haven’t been what they’ve been previously.

I think we look a bit dull and workmanlike without him and I think the post a few above about how we react to our “mercurial” players is a valid one.

I’m no lover of stats either, and almost reluctant to use them but it’s the modern way of debating these days.

If we were to take the Aberdeen game as a line in the sand, fortunate for Youan as it discounts the previous two defeats he played 90 minutes in. From that Aberdeen game we won 4, lost 1 and drew 1. Since the Boxing Day game when he last played we have won 3 (one was against Clydebank) and drawn 3. Much of a muchness all things considered and the squad running on fumes in that period.

That’s my general point, players deserve credit for Aberdeen being the turning point. However results have remained largely the same from when we had the likes of Youan & Newell to when they have been out for large spells. That most of our squad is much of a muchness, with some having a higher “on their day” bar than others, but no one who would leave a hole to fill if they left. With Youan I’m just bored of the circus he brings for not enough to mitigate it, IMO.

[TrinityHFC]

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I’m no lover of stats either, and almost reluctant to use them but it’s the modern way of debating these days.

If we were to take the Aberdeen game as a line in the sand, fortunate for Youan as it discounts the previous two defeats he played 90 minutes in. From that Aberdeen game we won 4, lost 1 and drew 1. Since the Boxing Day game when he last played we have won 3 (one was against Clydebank) and drawn 3. Much of a muchness all things considered and the squad running on fumes in that period.

That’s my general point, players deserve credit for Aberdeen being the turning point. However results have remained largely the same from when we had the likes of Youan & Newell to when they have been out for large spells. That most of our squad is much of a muchness, with some hanging a higher “on their day” bar than others, but no one who would leave a hole to fill if they left. With Youan I’m just bored of the circus he brings for not enough to mitigate it, IMO.

The circus isn’t brought by him, it’s in the minds of people on here.

[The Modfather]

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The circus isn’t brought by him, it’s in the minds of people on here.

Some of that is the case. However, Rocky has had as much abuse, if not more, but just gets on with his job quietly. He hasn’t argued with fans, cryptic posts, public spats with Bartley, coincidental injuries etc etc.

Anyway, I’ve said my piece on Youan so will leave this thread as I’ve nothing new to add.

[B.H.F.C]

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The circus isn’t brought by him, it’s in the minds of people on here.

There are things that have happened that aren’t just in folks minds.

He was arguing with someone in the crowd at full time at Easter Road. He was arguing with someone in the crowd whilst the game was going on up at Ross County. There is the social media side of things that doesn’t exactly endear him to folk, particularly when he’s posted about not wanting to play for us. They’re all things that you don’t see with the vast majority of players.

Personally wish we could just have him on the pitch playing as he can but thats not been the case enough over the last year.

[TrinityHFC]

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There are things that have happened that aren’t just in folks minds.

He was arguing with someone in the crowd at full time at Easter Road. He was arguing with someone in the crowd whilst the game was going on up at Ross County. There is the social media side of things that doesn’t exactly endear him to folk, particularly when he’s posted about not wanting to play for us. They’re all things that you don’t see with the vast majority of players.

Personally wish we could just have him on the pitch playing as he can but thats not been the case enough over the last year.

Sort of proves the point. Incidents largely caused by the nonsense written about him.

[B.H.F.C]

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Sort of proves the point. Incidents largely caused by the nonsense written about him.

Na no really. Two of the incidents were nothing to do with something written. It was him reacting to something said. And the other example I gave was of something he himself wrote. All things you very rarely see from other players.

[hibsbollah]

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Na no really. Two of the incidents were nothing to do with something written. It was him reacting to something said. And the other example I gave was of something he himself wrote. All things you very rarely see from other players.

Are you aware that he has had online abuse, racist abuse, that has necessitated our own club getting involved? So yeah, id say Trinity has it pretty much spot on. Pretty much everything negative in relation to Youan stems from other folk writing things.

I prefer to dwell on his 90 second double in the derby. Or his majestic assist for Boyle in a previous derby. Others can get lost in muckraking, no idea what the motivation is there.

[Speedy]

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Very rarely do you get scan results right away.

I don't think he's getting his scans done at Leith Community Treatment Centre.

With a private doctor, the results should be available within an hour or so.

[B.H.F.C]

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Are you aware that he has had online abuse, racist abuse, that has necessitated our own club getting involved? So yeah, id say Trinity has it pretty much spot on. Pretty much everything negative in relation to Youan stems from other folk writing things.

I prefer to dwell on his 90 second double in the derby. Or his majestic assist for Boyle in a previous derby. Others can get lost in muckraking, no idea what the motivation is there.

Don’t get the muckraking comment. Folk just have a different opinion on things that seem to upset a few others.

I’ve said I think Youan is a good player, that’s fairly obvious. I also think, whatever the reasons, we’ve not seen that good player nearly enough over the last year or so.

Of course I’m aware of some of the other things that have went on but it’s just an assumption on your part that everything negative stems from that. Just like others make the assumption that there is a link between his sore toe and the transfer window.

[NC1875]

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No reason it should. Medicals just provide info for the buying team to take a call on.

If he can’t play with a sore toe I wouldn’t be spending millions on him.

Especially a sore toe that isn’t broken and shows up perfectly fine in scans etc 🤔

You choose to believe he’s injured, other people don’t.

Like the whole transfer window nonsense, you think you know it all 👍🏼

[tonyrougier123]

Hopefully his transfer is swift and we can work on a replacement. I’d be very disappointed if we do the usual drawn out til last minute and no one signed as a replacement. Still think we need options in there.

[Iain G]

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If he can’t play with a sore toe I wouldn’t be spending millions on him.

Especially a sore toe that isn’t broken and shows up perfectly fine in scans etc 🤔

You choose to believe he’s injured, other people don’t.

Like the whole transfer window nonsense, you think you know it all 👍🏼

His toe is broken
His toe is broken
Sore toe, sore toe, sore toe, sore toe...etc

[TrinityHFC]

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If he can’t play with a sore toe I wouldn’t be spending millions on him.

Especially a sore toe that isn’t broken and shows up perfectly fine in scans etc 🤔

You choose to believe he’s injured, other people don’t.

Like the whole transfer window nonsense, you think you know it all 👍🏼

Well at least you continue to prove that your opinion on this matter is pretty worthless.

[Brightside]

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Well at least you continue to prove that your opinion on this matter is pretty worthless.

Ellie actually told someone in hospitality a few weeks back that he wasn’t injured. So maybe it’s Ellie that’s making stuff up? There is nothing to suggest that person made it up and they apparently know the player quite well. As I’ve said already if this injection fixes it and he’s back playing I will be delighted. In the battle for 3rd place we need players like that on the pitch.

[ian cruise]

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Yes you are correct that players heal differently but some will step up and some won’t. So my point stands.

Without having concrete evidence I’m sure that the fans of the majority of clubs will have similar type discussions about their players.

If I’ve read correctly Joe played through the injury until he could play no more. That’s enough for me to suggest he stepped up.

An argument could be made if Joe had gone for treatment earlier we might have had him back earlier. In a lot of cases delaying addressing an injury only prolongs the treatment time, and we end up with the "2 or 3 weeks" till they're back ended up as months.

Given how long Youan was out at the start of the season, it would be understandable he'd not want to take unnecessary risks with a second injury.

[superfurryhibby]

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Ellie actually told someone in hospitality a few weeks back that he wasn’t injured. So maybe it’s Ellie that’s making stuff up? There is nothing to suggest that person made it up and they apparently know the player quite well. As I’ve said already if this injection fixes it and he’s back playing I will be delighted. In the battle for 3rd place we need players like that on the pitch.

You'll know all about making things up, judging by some of your previous nonsense on here. Sorry to be so blunt, but you're ITK cred is deeply tainted

I know someone Elie (not Ellie) down at Tesco's a week after the derby match. He was clearly limping.

[ian cruise]

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There are things that have happened that aren’t just in folks minds.

He was arguing with someone in the crowd at full time at Easter Road. He was arguing with someone in the crowd whilst the game was going on up at Ross County. There is the social media side of things that doesn’t exactly endear him to folk, particularly when he’s posted about not wanting to play for us. They’re all things that you don’t see with the vast majority of players.

Personally wish we could just have him on the pitch playing as he can but thats not been the case enough over the last year.

One of the issues with social media is people assume that content is being made for them. While that is true for a businesses account, for individuals it is not. Youan's page is essentially a diary for him, which he shares, he's not necessarily thinking "oh what will Hibs fans want to see today" like some professional influencer. It's possible that after a defeat he picks himself up by reminding himself of the things he CAN do rather than focusing on what went wrong in the previous game, hence the highlight reels.

Obviously there's a fair whack of conjecture in the above, but no more so than assuming he's posting highlight reels because he doesn't care about Hibs. Best thing anyone can do if they don't like the content someone posts is scroll past it.

[jeffers]

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You'll know all about making things up, judging by some of your previous nonsense on here. Sorry to be so blunt, but you're ITK cred is deeply tainted

I know someone Elie (not Ellie) down at Tesco's a week after the derby match. He was clearly limping.

I thought it had been accepted that he did have an injury originally, what is being debated is whether he still is ?

[Hibiza]

This toe thing is a transfer ploy I think ,I don't know , perhaps there even isn't a toe.🤔

[Brightside]

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You'll know all about making things up, judging by some of your previous nonsense on here. Sorry to be so blunt, but you're ITK cred is deeply tainted

I know someone Elie (not Ellie) down at Tesco's a week after the derby match. He was clearly limping.

I couldnt care less about ITK....I think ive explained that to you and your odd obsession on many occasions. Would be nice to have these discussions without getting personal.

[superfurryhibby]

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I thought it had been accepted that he did have an injury originally, what is being debated is whether he still is ?

None of us really know and quoting a source from hospitality from the poster concerned has been shown not to be credible in the past.

I guess, and that is the operative word, that Youan was keen to move in the summer, the injury in a league cup game scunnered that.

As you say, he was injured at the derby. I also guess that he also still wants to go. I think Hibs want to sell him.

When a move came up before and we rejected a bid from unknown suitors, the issue was price. I think we should just accept that he's going to leave, negotiate the best deal in the circumstances and move on. If we're quick we can spend the fee on someone else and get them in the door and contributing (the likes of Danny Armstrong springs to mind).

[Itsnoteasy]

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Very rarely do you get scan results right away.

Maybe on the NHS.

[blackpoolhibs]

I had a camera up my arse a few weeks ago, and recieved the results on a screen while i watched.

[Kato]

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I had a camera up my arse a few weeks ago, and recieved the results on a screen while i watched.

Is your arse playing for Hibs tomorrow?

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[Jim44]

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This toe thing is a transfer ploy I think ,I don't know , perhaps there even isn't a toe.🤔

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I thought it had been accepted that he did have an injury originally, what is being debated is whether he still is ?

I don’t doubt that there was an injury, but I think they’re using it as an excuse to keep him injury free while a transfer is on the cards. If it doesn’t, there is an escape route for him returning to the squad.