Reform

[superfurryhibby]

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Where do reform voters come from? I would say primarily former Tory voters very closely followed by former Labour voters?
Maybe Lib Dem and SNP behind that? Greens very unlikely.


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Possibly as you say but keep in mind there are a lot of people who don't ordinarily vote, the apathetic, disillusioned, marginalised and disaffected. There will be plenty of Reform supporters drawn from this demographic.

[Pretty Boy]

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Possibly as you say but keep in mind there are a lot of people who don't ordinarily vote, the apathetic, disillusioned, marginalised and disaffected. There will be plenty of Reform supporters drawn from this demographic.

The political landscape has arguably never been more suited to a party coming along and upsetting the status quo.

A political class that has increasingly become the preserve of the career politician. A chattering class who belittle and mock the once working class but now underclass, who feign concern but really want to talk at them rather than to them. People increasingly devoid of the opportunity for social mobility, locked out of the housing market and living in a society in which hard work doesn't guarantee earning enough to live on. It's not hard to see why a party approaching the extremes is doing well.

They aren't the answer of course, deep down I think most know they aren't the answer, and some of the characters are even causation, but they give an illusion of listening to concerns and then provide easy answers and scapegoats. The answers coming back from the other side are sadly lacking; a left that is increasingly irrelevant, out of touch and destined for obscurity in Europe and beyond and a current political class that are offering more of the same.

If someone looks at the last 2 decades in Europe (and elsewhere) and their only conclusion is that everyone is thick and racist then they aren't thinking hard enough.

[Andy Bee]

Raise the tax threshold to £20k
Scrap interest payments on QE money saving £35bn
20p off of fuel duty
Scrap IHT for everyone under £2m estate
Scrap VAT and green levies on energy saving households £500 a year
Scrap stamp duty for properties under £750k
Raise the profit threshold to £100k for corporation tax and lower it to 20% and 15% from year three
Abolish IR35 rules
Lift the VAT threshold to £150k
Abolish business rates for high street SMEs and introduce a 4% tax to online delivery companies
Scrap the TV license
Introduce an anti corruption unit for Westminster which can investigate past and present crimes


Just some of the policies, there's obviously loads around immigration and Brexit. If Farage gets that message out which seems likely as the BBC love him and people actually believe him then he'll take votes off all parties. Obviously the Tories being the main loser though.

[superfurryhibby]

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Raise the tax threshold to £20k
Scrap interest payments on QE money saving £35bn
20p off of fuel duty
Scrap IHT for everyone under £2m estate
Scrap VAT and green levies on energy saving households £500 a year
Scrap stamp duty for properties under £750k
Raise the profit threshold to £100k for corporation tax and lower it to 20% and 15% from year three
Abolish IR35 rules
Lift the VAT threshold to £150k
Abolish business rates for high street SMEs and introduce a 4% tax to online delivery companies
Scrap the TV license
Introduce an anti corruption unit for Westminster which can investigate past and present crimes


Just some of the policies, there's obviously loads around immigration and Brexit. If Farage gets that message out which seems likely as the BBC love him and people actually believe him then he'll take votes off all parties. Obviously the Tories being the main loser though.

Some decent suggestions ( not convinced by business rates, blanket reductions in corporate tax, scrapping green levies ) but we would need to raise revenue elsewhere to compensate the loss of revenue.

I'd suggest a tax on excessive profiteering businesses, starting with the energy companies.

[Hibs4185]

Reform won’t win any seats in Scotland, they’ll pick up MSP’s through the list system.

Hopefully they steal voters from Labour and Tories and further fracture the unionist parties.

[cabbageandribs1875]

oopsie

[SHODAN]

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Reform won’t win any seats in Scotland, they’ll pick up MSP’s through the list system.

Hopefully they steal voters from Labour and Tories and further fracture the unionist parties.

Not sure it really matters. Sarwar will 100% take support from Reform (and the Tories) to form a coalition if the alternative is the SNP/Greens. Their ideological differences are minimal.

We're going to have a very nasty government in 2026 after the election.

[Stairway 2 7]

Farage and Nick Candy met Musk and JD Vance at Mar A Lago yesterday and Farage says Musk is interested in investing. The media old and new seem to be doing the Far rights bidding just now

[Pretty Boy]

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Farage and Nick Candy met Musk and JD Vance at Mar A Lago yesterday and Farage says Musk is interested in investing. The media old and new seem to be doing the Far rights bidding just now

It will be interesting to see how long the likes of Trump, Farage and Musk can keep pretending they are outsiders rallying against the 'legacy media' and forging a brave new path of 'real news'.

It all seems faintly ludicrous. The New York inherited wealth billionaire, the ex city banker turned career politician and the richest man in the world painting themselves as anti establishment and people believing it. Add to that them trying to pretend the major news companies are all radical socialist organisations pumping out left wing propaganda 24/7. The press has largely failed people but not because it has lurched to the far left but rather because it hasn't held the absolute political dominance of the right to account properly in decades.

They, and in particular Trump, seem to be lightning rods for the disaffected though and all logic goes out of the window. I suppose desperate people will lap up people who are promising solutions, however fanciful or dangerous they may be; particularly when there is little to nothing of note coming from the other side. You only have to hope that as we continue on the downward spiral that is late stage capitalism people realise that Trump, Musk, Farage and their ilk are causation rather than cure.

[Stairway 2 7]

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It will be interesting to see how long the likes of Trump, Farage and Musk can keep pretending they are outsiders rallying against the 'legacy media' and forging a brave new path of 'real news'.

It all seems faintly ludicrous. The New York inherited wealth billionaire, the ex city banker turned career politician and the richest man in the world painting themselves as anti establishment and people believing it. Add to that them trying to pretend the major news companies are all radical socialist organisations pumping out left wing propaganda 24/7. The press has largely failed people but not because it has lurched to the far left but rather because it hasn't held the absolute political dominance of the right to account properly in decades.

They, and in particular Trump, seem to be lightning rods for the disaffected though and all logic goes out of the window. I suppose desperate people will lap up people who are promising solutions, however fanciful or dangerous they may be; particularly when there is little to nothing of note coming from the other side. You only have to hope that as we continue on the downward spiral that is late stage capitalism people realise that Trump, Musk, Farage and their ilk are causation rather than cure.

It's wild they have managed to portray themselves as outsiders and men of the people, like you say. George W Bush did similar, just a simple cowboy that went to Yale.

It's really depressing that reform are the only outlet for the disenfranchised, I'd expected them to hoover the gready section of the boomer group anyway. Calling disenfranchised people stupid and ignoring anything they say, will just usher in reforms continued growth. There is a generation coming through that feels shafted. Poor quality pensions and jobs, no chance of owning a home and paying for net zero when the previous generations just burnt coal and gas

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Apologies for the link to the Record, but story here about Reform's (now former) Scottish organiser having some unfortunate family relationships.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...scots-34333898

[Smartie]

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Apologies for the link to the Record, but story here about Reform's (now former) Scottish organiser having some unfortunate family relationships.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...scots-34333898

I'd have thought those links would help them with their target demographic.

[superfurryhibby]

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Apologies for the link to the Record, but story here about Reform's (now former) Scottish organiser having some unfortunate family relationships.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...scots-34333898

"Nigel Farage’s Reform party organiser in Scotland has been sacked after a Record probe into his family’s links to a Loyalist terror plot.

Craig Campbell was removed as Scottish organiser of the right-wing party after we revealed his late dad was a UVF commander who was jailed following the bombing of Catholic pubs in Glasgow. His cousin Jason Campbell was also caged after he murdered Celtic fan Mark Scott by cutting his throat in an evil attack that shocked the country"

[JimBHibees]

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"Nigel Farage’s Reform party organiser in Scotland has been sacked after a Record probe into his family’s links to a Loyalist terror plot.

Craig Campbell was removed as Scottish organiser of the right-wing party after we revealed his late dad was a UVF commander who was jailed following the bombing of Catholic pubs in Glasgow. His cousin Jason Campbell was also caged after he murdered Celtic fan Mark Scott by cutting his throat in an evil attack that shocked the country"

Nice family

[cabbageandribs1875]

[Bostonhibby]

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To be fair, he personally will take money from anyone and do most things to get it.

Had no qualms about taking his EU pension even though he let everyone know what a rebel he was by not attending.

Taken grifting to a whole new level.

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[Paul1642]

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"Nigel Farage’s Reform party organiser in Scotland has been sacked after a Record probe into his family’s links to a Loyalist terror plot.

Craig Campbell was removed as Scottish organiser of the right-wing party after we revealed his late dad was a UVF commander who was jailed following the bombing of Catholic pubs in Glasgow. His cousin Jason Campbell was also caged after he murdered Celtic fan Mark Scott by cutting his throat in an evil attack that shocked the country"

To be fair Humza Yousaf’s brother in law was changed with dealing Heroin, abduction and extortion, all whilst Humza was FM.

Not suggesting Craig Campbell is a decent guy as I have never heard of him until this post, however I’m sure there are plenty people out there (and probably a few on here) who are thoroughly decent people despite having a ****bag family member or two.

[Ozyhibby]

Now offering to nationalise utilities and strategic industries. That’s how they will hoover up left wing votes.


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[Jones28]

Spoke to a guy yesterday who said they’re the way forward. It’s the first time I’d actually heard someone say it out loud and it made my skin crawl.

[Bostonhibby]

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Spoke to a guy yesterday who said they’re the way forward. It’s the first time I’d actually heard someone say it out loud and it made my skin crawl.

Farage is not trainee Trump jnr for nothing, he's learning. Promise as many folk as possible everything, even if they are diametrically opposed.
Then fill the void with rhetoric and bluster to distract from the serious business of self enrichment.

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[Ozyhibby]

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Spoke to a guy yesterday who said they’re the way forward. It’s the first time I’d actually heard someone say it out loud and it made my skin crawl.

They are becoming a real threat because Labour and the Tories are so useless.


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[Ozyhibby]

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Farage is not trainee Trump jnr for nothing, he's learning. Promise as many folk as possible everything, even if they are diametrically opposed.
Then fill the void with rhetoric and bluster to distract from the serious business of self enrichment.

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He could have learnt that from Starmer and Johnson.


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[Bostonhibby]

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He could have learnt that from Starmer and Johnson.


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Nearly said not on the same scale!

I'm rapidly losing patience with starmer but am happy to file Bozo and Farage under the grifter column. That said there's loads of voters round here who bought into the promises Bozo made and are now turning to Faragist party.

They made huge inroads to the safest tory seat in the country but the stuff I hear folk expecting Farage to deliver is a mix of scary and probably impossible.

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[Ozyhibby]

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Nearly said not on the same scale!

I'm rapidly losing patience with starmer but am happy to file Bozo and Farage under the grifter column. That said there's loads of voters round here who bought into the promises Bozo made and are now turning to Faragist party.

They made huge inroads to the safest tory seat in the country but the stuff I hear folk expecting Farage to deliver is a mix of scary and probably impossible.

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What you promise is more important than delivery these days. Starmers promises when seeking the Labour leadership are legendary.


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[Bostonhibby]

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What you promise is more important than delivery these days. Starmers promises when seeking the Labour leadership are legendary.


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I agree, I'm only cutting some slack because where I am there's an awful lot of people who seem to think labour are responsible for the last 12 years and are conveniently glossing over the fact that they got what they voted for.

Theres a tendency to forget how long Starmer has been in power and has had to root out the reality of at least some of the areas of government.

Not a great start though given his majority.

Local MP down here was explaining at the last election not to expect miracles too early as there was a lot of things to sort out and his own party were the previous government but that was okay.



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[AgentDaleCooper]

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He could have learnt that from Starmer and Johnson.


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Trump learned it from Vince McMahon, a different animal altogether

[Ozyhibby]

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I agree, I'm only cutting some slack because where I am there's an awful lot of people who seem to think labour are responsible for the last 12 years and are conveniently glossing over the fact that they got what they voted for.

Theres a tendency to forget how long Starmer has been in power and has had to root out the reality of at least some of the areas of government.

Not a great start though given his majority.

Local MP down here was explaining at the last election not to expect miracles too early as there was a lot of things to sort out and his own party were the previous government but that was okay.



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Labour have to take some responsibility for the last 12 years in that they decided to leave the field of play when they went with Corbyn. Made Brexit and all that followed a slam dunk. Corbyn didn’t even campaign against Brexit.


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[Bostonhibby]

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Labour have to take some responsibility for the last 12 years in that they decided to leave the field of play when they went with Corbyn. Made Brexit and all that followed a slam dunk. Corbyn didn’t even campaign against Brexit.


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On the Corbyn point we agree.

UK is willing to jump to the extreme right without much more than a leap of faith, but a corbyn version going the other way, with too much detail to think about is long gone from here now, hence you get Blair and Starmer types who could equally have won an election as tory party leader.

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[AgentDaleCooper]

Blaming Corbyn while Labour get outflanked on the left....?

[Stairway 2 7]

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Blaming Corbyn while Labour get outflanked on the left....?

Labour haven't been outflanked on the left in anyway. Their most obvious road to downfall is being not tough on immigration as that where the votes are going to Reform from. I agree Corbyn was pathetic on brexit